Take Back The Media

[hXc_pwnage]

http://www.takebackthemedia.com/true911.html

Watch it, it's worth the time.

[hXc_pwnage]

I have no campaign...how am I using this to aid my campaign? I am showing the story of how Bush didn't take action.

[hXc_pwnage]

Where is this related to the Democrats? Where is the funding by the democrats? This is all based on facts to let people know that Bush didn't handle the situation well and had no clue what was going on...not the lies that he handled it well and knew everything that was happeneing. Even if I am being hupocritical...atleast this link is EDUCATIONAL and not just an outright ad put through the air to try and boost a campaign. This is offering a truth to people who don't know...Bush is just making things up.

[hXc_pwnage]

There is no Democrat group on the sponser page I can find. They are all independent people. I mean, Bill O'Reilly is even on there... There are documents supporting this, there are videos that can be used to support these claims. That's because all of the stations are afraid to...atleast the stations people watch. Why do you think the Bush In 30 Seconds ads weren't played? CBS wouldn't accept them. The channels aren't going to go against the wave in fear of losing people. It's the safe thing to do.

[hXc_pwnage]

They do...http://www.takebackthemedia.com/sponsors.html. I wasn't bashing Bush on the fact of using graphic photos, I was bashing on him using the deaths of those people in the wrong manner.

I'll have to go to the other sites I have found that say these exact same things to find the documents...so I will do that later. (Oh yeah...I posted a link on the other thread about the ad that has the quote about Bush saying he wouldn't use 9/11 in his campaign.) Videos are there of course...they show them in the little video they made. It shows him being one place while the attacks are happening. People from news stations and papers questioned him and he gave answers...which were all wrong. Why would they make that up? Then why wouldn't they run the Bush in 30 Seconds ads? Because they are afraid of the response. Anti-Bush is respected by the big corporations...so they won't even think about it.



You did not just say lol three straight times....wow. :p

[hXc_pwnage]

Maybe not exactly SPONSORS, but supporters at least.

How is it the dumbest thing ever? Like I keep asking...why else would CBS not air an anti-Bush commercial? Because they are afriad. They don't want to go out of the ordinary. They don't care about the people, they just want their money. Bush gives them their money...so they support Bush. That is why the NYT does report on a lot of anti-Bush stuff. I personaly don't read the NYT, so I wouldn't know if they did anything on this or not.

[hXc_pwnage]

Did I say "pays off"? No, that is where they get their money.

Well if they are listed there, then I would guess so.

You still won't answer my CBS question...

[Justin_stacy]

you need to start reading the Headings......look at what it says above o'rielly and rush.......reading is always important before making claims...

and to show this site is bullshit look at what it claims Ted Rall and Michael Moore are....and then compare this to what, again, Orielly and Rush "are"........or we can make it easier, most of the people on the right are conservative and most of the people on the left are liberal or extreme lefties...

[hXc_pwnage]

Well it says sponsors and they are on the sides...but whatever. I am not the smartest kid you will ever meet.

Moore isn't a proven liar...he has backed up everything that he has been called out against. I won't stand here and say every thing he has ever said is fact, but everything O'Reilly has said is fact nor for Bush.

CBS? CBS? CBS?

[Justin_stacy]

Well it says sponsors and they are on the sides...but whatever. I am not the smartest kid you will ever meet.
?
the sponsor area is blank (the center area)......and the rest isn't really fair to say about yourself....just getting involved in politics and tring to understand them shows your smarter then the average person...

[Justin_stacy]

Moore isn't a proven liar...he has backed up everything that he has been called out against.

yes he is and misrepresenting the truth or period of time is lying, whether he wants to admit it or not...

[hXc_pwnage]

During the Super Bowl, Bush In 30 Seconds tried to put up an anti-Bush commercial, but CBS would not allow it.

Well their money has to come from SOMEWHERE. And we all know Bush favors the rich and big corps. for his money, so the more they get the more he gets back.

[hXc_pwnage]

yes he is and misrepresenting the truth is lying, whether he wants to admit it or not...
Like I said...I won't sit here and say he has never lied or stretched something to make him look better...but who hasn't? Everyone does...even dear ol' president Bush. But through everything, he takes responsibility and backs everything up, unlike dear ol' president Bush.

[hXc_pwnage]

I'm pretty sure they ran a pro-Bush ad that night though...let me check.

[Justin_stacy]

Well their money has to come from SOMEWHERE. And we all know Bush favors the rich and big corps. for his money, so the more they get the more he gets back.

and sites like these get there money from billionares like George Soros and "big Corporation owners" like Peter B. Lewis.....how is this any different?

[hXc_pwnage]

So you are suggesting Bush paid off CBS?
You might want to call it that...I call it corporate America.

[hXc_pwnage]

and sites like these get there money from billionares like George Soros and "big Corporation owners" like Peter B. Lewis.....how is this any different?
Well, like the site that I showed you, they show both sides. They gave a Rush link...where does CBS ever show anti-Bush?

[hXc_pwnage]

They did and it was sponsored by Bush administration himself.
But it's stupid...you can run a pro-Bush ad just because it is sponsored by Bush? That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard.

[hXc_pwnage]

I am not saying he directly paid him....BUT THEY DO GET THEIR MONEY FROM THE GOVERNMENT WHICH IS RUN BY REPUBLICANS (i.e. Bush and his regime.)

[hXc_pwnage]

No it's not. It works good for both parties. What if an extreme conservative site wanted to run an ad talking about the supposed affair John Kerry had with an intern? It keeps crap like that off the air.
But they weren't medling with Bush's private life. They were putting out information they had gained from the media.

[Justin_stacy]

But through everything, he takes responsibility and backs everything up, unlike dear ol' president Bush.

Moore didn't take responsibility for his fiction, because if he did he wouldn't have accepted the "documentary Oscar" for BFC……or he could have at least said he made up about half of it in his "speech"...

[hXc_pwnage]

Explain how they get their money from the government.
They money comes from taxes and such which is split...and the richer and big corps. get more of it.

[hXc_pwnage]

Moore didn't take responsibility for his fiction, because if he did he wouldn't have accepted the "documentary Oscar" for BFC……or he could have at least said he made up about half of it in his "speech"...
Do you read his website at all?

[Justin_stacy]

Well, like the site that I showed you, they show both sides.

and call it bought news......which is exactly what this site is......

[hXc_pwnage]

and call it bought news......which is exactly what this site is......
I'm lost...hah.

[hXc_pwnage]

It doesnt matter if they were medling with Bush's private life. They apparently have a policy in place where they only will air ads from candidates or parties. It would have gone the same way if a conservative group wanted to air an ad about John Kerry's voting record in the Senate.
So if Kerry funded an ad talking about how Bush skipped out on the Vietnam war it is ok...but not if I wanted to? That seems a little weird...everyone should be able to voice their opinions, not just the rich-er people.

[hXc_pwnage]

So the government uses American taxes to pay CBS and other television news sites? I've never heard this before in my life.
The money we use goes in cycles...where else do tax cuts go? To people. Who works for CBS...obviously pretty well off people.

[Justin_stacy]

Do you read his website at all?

probably not as often as yourself, although i've read his explination for a small portion of the discrepanciesin BFC...

[hXc_pwnage]

No they shouldnt because dumbass people like this website you posted would run ads like this. Then stupid people would believe the ad for fact without looking into it.

Kerry could do that, but he's not dumb enough to do that. Just like Bush is not dumb enough to run a commercial talking about Kerry and some alleged affair with an intern.
But they have things to back them up! People take things Bush say for fact when they aren't...why not stop Bush from saying dumbass shit like he does?

[Justin_stacy]

I'm lost...hah.
please please read the Heading on the "sponsors" page, both are in the upper corners....you will see what a partisan and bias web site this is....and how truth is far from their goals..

[hXc_pwnage]

So since the people who run CBS are rich and got a tax cut they won't run the ad. Ok the people that run the New York Times are rich and got a tax cut so with your dumb logic wouldnt they also not run anti-bush stories?
Does everyone think the same? No. CBS stands on what it believes, and they are, as it seems, mainly pro-Bush. NYT is anti-Bush and they will stand on what they believe.


:crazy:

[hXc_pwnage]

probably not as often as yourself, although i've read his explination for a small portion of the discrepanciesin BFC...
He has written about 2 documents (each around 2 or so pages) explaining the allegations (sp) on his videos and speaches.

[hXc_pwnage]

I'll just post what I just posted:

They apparently have a policy in place where they only will air ads from candidates or parties. It would have gone the same way if a conservative group wanted to air an ad about John Kerry's voting record in the Senate.

What if this conservative site had things to back them up on their claim that Kerry had an affair?
Then let them run it, I don't care. If it has things to support it, then run it all you want. I am not going to be 100% biased on this, because I try to be as un-biased as possible (with exceptions, of course.)

[Justin_stacy]

He has written about 2 documents (each around 2 or so pages) explaining the allegations (sp) on his videos and speaches.
just one that i can find on his site

[hXc_pwnage]

please please read the Heading on the "sponsors" page, both are in the upper corners....you will see what a partisan and bias web site this is....and how truth is far from their goals..
I will in a little...it's getting hard responding to two people at once...where is Mike when I need him?

[hXc_pwnage]

just one that i can find on his site
Which one was it on? :pumpkin:

[Justin_stacy]

Which one was it on? :pumpkin:

the article he humorously calls wackoatackos.....and dont call me pumpkin..sugurcane.... ;)

[hXc_pwnage]

You are talking in circles. First you said the reason CBS didnt air the ad is because Bush gave a tax cut to the rich and rich people own CBS, and NOW you say it's because CBS stands on what it believes and the NYT stands for what it believes. Which one is it? Did they not run the ad because they got money from the Bush administratoin or did the not run the ad because they stand on what they believe?

How is CBS pro-Bush? Because they follow a policy they have in place regarding ads and politics?
Combination...

Also, why wouldn't it let PETA run an ad supporting going veggie?

[hXc_pwnage]

the article he humorously calls wackoatackos.....and dont call me pumpkin..sugurcane.... ;)
I'll have to check that later....as well my little cupcake.

[Justin_stacy]

I will in a little...it's getting hard responding to two people at once...where is Mike when I need him?

thats cool....take your time, but it does go along way in discribing this sites intentions...

[hXc_pwnage]

They don't let them run it because stupid people would believe this stuff automatically because it's on tv.
So you are saying that people on TV saying Bush handled 9/11 well and them backing up Bush shouldn't automatically be believed just because it is on TV? I know you would...because you support Bush.

You don't agree with the ad and so therefor you don't want to see it run.

[hXc_pwnage]

http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0402/S00066.htm

[hXc_pwnage]

thats cool....take your time, but it does go along way in discribing this sites intentions...
I think I get it...they are voicing their opinion...stating which groups or people are "bought thought" and which are "free thoughts."

[hXc_pwnage]

Look at your source. Moveon.org had a commercial on its site comparing Bush to Hitler. You dont want to automatically believe extreme groups like this or on the other hand extreme groups that are on the right like you have done.

I dont agree with the ad, but I could care less if they televised this particluar ad. It's CBS's policy and it would work both ways.
My computer is being stupid...so I can't look back over the ad. That's they opinion..and in ways that is true. I am not saying he is as bad as Hitler...because he isn't anywhere near as extreme.

Shouldn't both sides be heard? Not just the pro-Bush?

[hXc_pwnage]

But why should it be limited just to politicians? Shouldn't we all be allowed to speak? And people who don't look into things aren't worthy of voicing an opinion anyways.

[hXc_pwnage]

You can speak, and CBS doesnt have to run the ad. They have a fair policy in place where both sides can get heard. You claimed this ad on the far left website as fact, and you havent showed anything to back it up. I want to see the documents you said existed that proved Bush knew about the attacks on 9-11 before they happend?
Like I said...I'd have to go back and dig it all up...and I am too lazy/tired.

Maybe later.

[hXc_pwnage]

I just got the websites...not actual documents...you'll have to look.

www.911forthetruth.com/
http://www.buzzflash.com/perspectives/911bush.html
http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0332/mondo4.php

[hXc_pwnage]

Combiniation.....that's your 3rd answer to the same question
Well it's a combination.

[hXc_pwnage]

I'll be hounding you for it because even Dean who said announced the theory of Bush knowing about 9-11 was ridculed because there is no proof. I dont think there is one document that exists that proves fact that Bush knew about 9-11
I just posted 3 websites.

[hXc_pwnage]

Did you read through EVERYTHING?

[hXc_pwnage]

You can look yourself...I don't feel like it. There are sites that list the times of everything and how he didn't order anything to be done about the hijacked planes, knowing they were hijacked. He clame he knew what was going on BEFORE it all happened. He said he saw it on TV before it was even aired...dubya tee eff mate?

[hXc_pwnage]

I post sites and you turn them down...what else do you expect me to do?

[hXc_pwnage]

Are you stupid. The last 2 of those sites are about Bush not listening to warnings that Al Qaeda might highjack planes. There is not one piece of evidence that shows Bush knew about the 9-11 attacks. Ecspecially since you posted these to show that for a fact Bush knew.

Do you not have anything from proven credible sites that show for a fact Bush knew about 9-11
I guess I am stupid. You are too stuck in your beliefs to take any others into consideration. I throw something at you and you just rip at me for it. Do you have any proof he had NO CLUE what was going on!? Do you have proof that he did the total opposite of what I said!? I would like to see those sources.

[Justin_stacy]

I think I get it...they are voicing their opinion...stating which groups or people are "bought thought" and which are "free thoughts."


don't you see the problem here....a group called "take back the media" wants to do what????
Answer...Fill our air waves with a bias left wing agenda......these people don't want to end censorship, but promote and expand it against those that have differing or more moderate views of the world...

[Justin_stacy]

Shouldn't both sides be heard? Not just the pro-Bush?
couldn't the same be said about posting jsut this video? kind of looks like your doingthe same thing you accuse CBS of....

[hXc_pwnage]

don't you see the problem here....a group called "take back the media" wants to do what????
Answer...Fill our air waves with a bias left wing agenda......these people don't want to end censorship, but promote and expand it against those that have differing or more moderate views of the world...
With all the right-wing extremists putting their views out there, left-wings should be able to do it as well. I am not saying I love this...but there's nothing else to do.

[hXc_pwnage]

couldn't the same be said about posting jsut this video? kind of looks like your doingthe same thing you accuse CBS of....
But a pro-Bush video WAS shown. But no anti-Bush ones were...

:stormtroo

[Justin_stacy]

With all the right-wing extremists putting their views out there, left-wings should be able to do it as well. I am not saying I love this...but there's nothing else to do.
your kiding right....

[hXc_pwnage]

your kiding right....
Well extrimists is a little....extreme.

But I don't see any anti-Bush ads and what not out there. All I hear on the news (besides CNN and sometimes Fox News) is about Bush handling things well and how well we are doing over in Iraq, etc.

[Justin_stacy]

But a pro-Bush video WAS shown. But no anti-Bush ones were...

:stormtroo

what pro bush ad was that?

[hXc_pwnage]

Must I look it up? Just read back and cal even said that Bush funded an ad to enforce himself...therefor it is a pro-Bush ad.

[Justin_stacy]

Well extrimists is a little....extreme.
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i was going beyond that....right wing views are hardly the norm, well outside of newsradio....on average most newspapers are liberal, all the big 3 nightly news are, 1 of the 2 major news channels, and both PUBLICLY funded stations (npr and pbs)...so i don't really see the need for TBM......although i do understand that most of these liberal strong holds are no where near as extreme as this site...

[Justin_stacy]

Must I look it up? Just read back and cal even said that Bush funded an ad to enforce himself...therefor it is a pro-Bush ad.
i'm not disagreeing with you, cause i dont know for sure....i just wanted to know which ad it was....before we go any further....

[hXc_pwnage]

i was going beyond that....right wing views are hardly the norm, well outside of newsradio....on average most newspapers are liberal, all the big 3 nightly news are, 1 of the 2 major news channels, and both PUBLICLY funded stations (npr and pbs)...so i don't really see the need for TBM......although i do understand that most of these liberal strong holds are no where near as extreme as this site...
But really...who in their right minds watches fucking PBS!?

;)

[hXc_pwnage]

i'm not disagreeing with you, cause i dont know for sure....i just wanted to know which ad it was....before we go any further....
Just search google for "bush ad during super bowl" or something. :idea:

[Justin_stacy]

Just search google for "bush ad during super bowl" or something. :idea:

here you look cause i can't find one...

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=bush+ad+during+super+bowl&spell=1


also here is a list of all the national commercials during the super bowl...

http://www.ifilm.com/?sctn=collections&pg=superbowl2004

[Justin_stacy]

But really...who in their right minds watches fucking PBS!?

;)

so you agree that theres no need for a site like TBTM...?

[hXc_pwnage]

In my little world there would be no "left-wing" or "right-wing." So no...there is no need for either.

[Justin_stacy]

In my little world there would be no "left-wing" or "right-wing." So no...there is no need for either.

you don't like diverse opinions?

and if we all lived in your little world we wouldn't have been able to have the conversations we've had to night..... :dissapoin

[hXc_pwnage]

Awwww...haha.

I believe in unity...so we wouldn't have all the left-wing and right-wing assholes. I don't mind a lot of them...but some (yes, from both sides) can just be total assfaces.

[Justin_stacy]

Awwww...haha.

I believe in unity...so we wouldn't have all the left-wing and right-wing assholes. I don't mind a lot of them...but some (yes, from both sides) can just be total assfaces.


asshole are one thing, i too grow tired of them.....but diversity in opinions is a good thing, at least in my mind..

[hXc_pwnage]

Yeah...it is. And there is nothing wrong with that...but would you rather have everyone just be happy with things being run or one side bitching while the other is happy?

[Justin_stacy]

but would you rather have everyone just be happy with things being run or one side bitching while the other is happy?

for that to happen though people would have to stop thinking for themselves and just except what others have already decided on....and i'm not really sure thats a good thing......what are your thoughts on that?

[hXc_pwnage]

for that to happen though people would have to stop thinking for themselves and just except what others have already decided on....and i'm not really sure thats a good thing......what are your thoughts on that?
They wouldn't have to stop thinking for themselves...they would just be content with the leader. That would lead to the stoping of wars because we would be happy with how things are going.

Like in The Giver...they don't really think for themselves but things are just so perfect. I don't know, I can see both sides on it.

[open mind]

the media is fucked,the lack of real news coverage pisses me off,i know i'm in the minority though when it comes to wanting real news over janet's titty,and all the other bullshit.
the media has treated bush with kid gloves compared to the field day that was had with clinton,and they've gone to sleep when it comes to real investigations on shit that's going on but it's not because they love bush it's because they like the way things are going and don't want things to change, becuase it's beneficial to the owners of these media conglomerates.

[Justin_stacy]

They wouldn't have to stop thinking for themselves...they would just be content with the leader. That would lead to the stoping of wars because we would be happy with how things are going.
.just for the fun...

being content is the death of desire, or in this case "opinions"....so inturn people would stop thinking for themselves, because they'd have no reason too....

and wouldn't blindly following a single leader actually cause more wars....because you wouldn't question their actions nor motives? (unless of course your talking a world type president)...

[open mind]

i think it would depend on the type of leader.

[hXc_pwnage]

just for the fun...

being content is the death of desire, or in this case "opinions"....so inturn people would stop thinking for themselves, because they'd have no reason too....

and wouldn't blindly following a single leader actually cause more wars....because you wouldn't question their actions nor motives? (unless of course your talking a world type president)...
Or...just for fun, of course...


ANARCHY!

:p

[hXc_pwnage]

I'm not making a wild claim like Bush knew about 9-11. If I were to claim it was a fact Kerry had an affair with an intern wouldnt you expect me to back it up with some really good info. from credible sources? That's a bold statement. I wouldnt expect you to prove to me he didnt have an affair cause that's near impossible.
I will say Bush KNOWING about 9/11 is a little bit of a wild claim...but I will look for this webpage today showing that Bush DIDN'T handle 9/11 well.

[hXc_pwnage]

http://www.911sharethetruth.com/

Try that for now...there are a lot of links at the bottom...I am still looking.

[hXc_pwnage]

http://www.unansweredquestions.org/timeline/main/timelinecomplete1.html

http://www.unansweredquestions.org/timeline/main/dayof911.html
This one gives everything that went on during the day of 9/11...have fun.

[Justin_stacy]

Or...just for fun, of course...


ANARCHY!

:p
that wouldn't be fun at all....... :dissapoin

[hXc_pwnage]

Aw, why not?

[Justin_stacy]

Aw, why not?

are we talking realistically or pie in the sky?

[hXc_pwnage]

Well...realisticly I know it can never happen besides in small towns.

But it would be fun. :)

[hXc_pwnage]

No, he was informed what was going on...yet he took no action.

[hXc_pwnage]

He knew that day planes were hijacked and all that. There WERE warning sides...but I blame the Republicans for not listening to Nader.

[hXc_pwnage]

I don't know exactly...there were many things pointing to it. He knew something was going to happen.

[hXc_pwnage]

I never said I 100% agree with everything the site says. I was more looking to prove that he didn't handle the situation well like all the others are saying and that he knew what was happening and didn't act and had many warning signs he never acted on.

[Justin_stacy]

hey hXc_pwnage you never answered my question about the bush commercial, i even checked google like you asked and found nothing.....

[hXc_pwnage]

What did you expect Bush to do during the 30 mins. or so from when he heard about the first plane till he stopped reading to the kids?
Stop reading and take action on what was going on...

[hXc_pwnage]

hey hXc_pwnage you never answered my question about the bush commercial, i even checked google like you asked and found nothing.....
Sorry...I had to leave. I will do it tomorrow for I am le tired.

[Justin_stacy]

Sorry...I had to leave. I will do it tomorrow for I am le tired.

well that will be le (?) fine....night buddy...

[hXc_pwnage]

Nighty.

[open mind]

There is a GIGANTIC diffrence between knowing it was going to happen and not heeding warnings from intel.

Clinton and Bush can both be blaimed for not heeding warnings and I dont doubt that. The Bush administration themselves admited months after the attack that there had been warnings that Al Qaeda would hijack planes, but if i remember right there was no inclination that these would be used as missiles.

This site that you put up at the beginning says that he "knew" the attacks would happen, and you claimed that this was fact.
intelligence had sugggested a plan to use planes as missiles before 9/11

[hXc_pwnage]

What do you mean by "take action"?
He didn't do anything to stop those planes.

[Justin_stacy]

Sorry...I had to leave. I will do it tomorrow for I am le tired.
so......which ad was that again... :smiley:

[Justin_stacy]

come on admit your wrong or just post the ad..........

[hXc_pwnage]

Sorry, I've been out. What are you talking about again?

[Justin_stacy]

Sorry, I've been out. What are you talking about again?

the bush ad you say they aired durring the super bowl...

[hXc_pwnage]

I'll try looking for it, but not promising anything.

[hXc_pwnage]

Here's a site:
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/011904I.shtml

Most places I look you have to sign up...weird.

[Justin_stacy]

Here's a site:
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/011904I.shtml

Most places I look you have to sign up...weird.

First the drug ad is not a "pro-bush" ad.... It’s an "anti-drug" ad, or a pro-"responsibility" ad or a "parental warning ad"...but not a political ad for bush...

Second most of what that article says about the commercial is untrue because it was written prior to a viewing of the ad...

Here’s a link so you can watch the Anti Drug Commercial and all the other national Commercials that aired during the supper bowl...

http://www.ifilm.com/?sctn=collections&pg=superbowl2004


So now I will ask my question again....where is the pro-bush ad that made CBS a bunch of hypocrites...?

[hXc_pwnage]

I still have to look. That was just the first site that came up. I've been busy lately, so give me a little time.