ron paul is trying to save the world. oh...and to hell with the 08 election

[stupidtyonparad]

whos for this guy? i think hes a fucking hero and i am 100% behind him. he just withdrew from the race which is a shame but because our media is so money driven its hard for a candidate whos not a carbon copy of every other rep or dem to get any coverage.

but what hes doing now is bad ass. hes actively trying to start the revolution. he started up an organization called the campaign for liberty and hes holding a convention of his own down the street from the republican convention the same week. good for this guy, i hope everybody gets behind him and the sheep start opening up their eyes

oh...and i think i decided not to vote in the election cause obama and mccain are horrible choices. in the end the two are going to do the exact same thing cause in reality the lines between the republican party and democratic party are becoming so thin they're practically holding hands

[Nevuk]

I think he is racist. I'm not voting either, but more on different principles.

[stupidtyonparad]

how the fuck is he racist? the guy is a genius and is trying to get rid of the bull shit george doulbeya installed cause hes a piece of shit. the world is supposed to end in 2012 but if ron paul can help inspire the masses we can avoid that

[stupidtyonparad]

not to mention the guy supports the fact that the investigation into september 11th 2001 was a sham

[Machu505]

Romney > McCain > Guiliani > Paul = Thompson > Huckabee

Paul is a racist bastard.

[RememberFminus2]

he is a fucking moron

[shit stroll]

he is a fucking moron
:appl:

[Machu505]

I hope that all Ron Paul supporters stay home this election because they're disgruntled.

[Machu505]

A man predicted that hte world would end on June 12, 2008, but that was obvious bullshit due to the fact The Dark Knight had not been released yet.

[shit stroll]

what's worse - ron paul or his supporters?

[Nevuk]

A lot of people have predicted the 2012 one, but most of them are easily discounted. The mayan calender ends there, but ... the Mayans lived 2000 years ago, and their calender estimation involves some pretty serious math, its amazing they got that far in the first place. Plus from prior estimations it seems to indicate the end of an era or something along those lines, maybe reversal of the Earth's magnetic field. A lot of the others are just some random dude spouting nonsense.

[Nevuk]

what's worse - ron paul or his supporters?
this sounds like a "priest and a rabbi walk into a bar" joke.

[Machu505]

what's worse - ron paul or his supporters?

Paul, because he is their master.

[stupidtyonparad]

What the fuck are you talking about?

The dumbest thing any human can ever do is predict the end of the world.


where the hell have you been? haha, google search it. so many different groups have said the world will end in 2012, specifically the mayans.


and you guys really hate ron paul that much? this is ridiculous, i thought people here would be a little mroe open

[Nevuk]

There is something not so subtly ironic about the OP's username.

[open mind]

A lot of people have predicted the 2012 one, but most of them are easily discounted. The mayan calender ends there, but ... the Mayans lived 2000 years ago, and their calender estimation involves some pretty serious math, its amazing they got that far in the first place. Plus from prior estimations it seems to indicate the end of an era or something along those lines, maybe reversal of the Earth's magnetic field. A lot of the others are just some random dude spouting nonsense.

the mayan empire peaked around 900 a.d.

[stupidtyonparad]

haha i love how i get shit from that, its been my username for a lot of things for a long time.

and you guys are the real idiots if you'd rtaher vote for somebody like john mccain. are you really happy with the way this country is heading and how its operating? its disgusting. we're in worse shape than we've ever been and your going to give a guy shit whos not afraid to say this to a national audience on television? we're the laughing stock of the world, everybody thinks america is filled with morons who cant think for themselves. we are the most hated nation and we're on our way to having the worst economy. we just had the worst president in hte history of our country and we're not setting ourselves up for anything but making the rich richer and the poor poorer with this next election

[Machu505]

haha i love how i get shit from that, its been my username for a lot of things for a long time.

and you guys are the real idiots if you'd rtaher vote for somebody like john mccain. are you really happy with the way this country is heading and how its operating? its disgusting. we're in worse shape than we've ever been and your going to give a guy shit whos not afraid to say this to a national audience on television? we're the laughing stock of the world, everybody thinks america is filled with morons who cant think for themselves. we are the most hated nation and we're on our way to having the worst economy. we just had the worst president in hte history of our country and we're not setting ourselves up for anything but making the rich richer and the poor poorer with this next election

I don't think anyone in this thread wants McCain as the president.

[stupidtyonparad]

and about the end of the world comment i made, lets look at it this way, theres 'bible code' about 2012 too involving things such as israel and the "mark of the beast" (666). while in the meantime national id cards are being approved which is set to ease people into the idea of the vchip which is essentially what the bible warns against.

and i dont know if the world is going to end in 2012...nobody does. but i find it a little uneasy that so many people have predicted the world to end between 1990 and 2020 and this one is pretty popular

[open mind]

and about the end of the world comment i made, lets look at it this way, theres 'bible code' about 2012 too involving things such as israel and the "mark of the beast" (666). while in the meantime national id cards are being approved which is set to ease people into the idea of the vchip which is essentially what the bible warns against.

and i dont know if the world is going to end in 2012...nobody does. but i find it a little uneasy that so many people have predicted the world to end between 1990 and 2020 and this one is pretty popular

don't use the bible to predict the end of the world. alot of people do so despite the bible saying that they shouldn't and those that do shouldn't be believed.

[Nevuk]

the mayan empire peaked around 900 a.d.
Yeah, I forgot the exact date, but I knew it was over 1000 years ago. Let me check when windows Vista's calender ends - 2099. Oh look, the world ends in 2099.

[stupidtyonparad]

So America is in worse shape now than when the slave trade was on? Or when it was a British colony? Or after the wall street crash?

Ron Paul is a fucking libertarian he is the absolute epitomy of wanting to make the rich richer, god you're an idiot.


yes as a matter of fact the country was in better condition than those times. during the slave trade this country was booming. we were on our way to becoming a world super power. granted, our civil rights werent int eh right place, but nobodys were. when we were a colony doesnt evne fucking count dumbass cause we werent a country then. but the people who fought the revolutionary war and eventually straightened ouur govenrment out were a hell of a lot smarter than the people we have in power now. granted htere was a slip up for a few years right after we became independant but thats to be expected.

and the wall street crash....yes. our economy is almost as bad and on top of that we're fighting a war that is the biggest load of shit sense the crusades

[open mind]

Yeah, I forgot the exact date, but I knew it was over 1000 years ago. Let me check when windows Vista's calender ends - 2099. Oh look, the world ends in 2099.

haha.
i wasn't saying that i thought the mayans were right, just that the date you gave was misleading.

[Nevuk]

yes as a matter of fact the country was in better condition than those times. during the slave trade this country was booming. we were on our way to becoming a world super power. granted, our civil rights werent int eh right place, but nobodys were. when we were a colony doesnt evne fucking count dumbass cause we werent a country then. but the people who fought the revolutionary war and eventually straightened ouur govenrment out were a hell of a lot smarter than the people we have in power now. granted htere was a slip up for a few years right after we became independant but thats to be expected.

and the wall street crash....yes. our economy is almost as bad and on top of that we're fighting a war that is the biggest load of shit sense the crusades
The 1830s - 1860s? America wasn't even close to a superpower until the Spanish American War, before that no one really viewed as anything more than a bunch of exiles. And we weren't even viewed as a superpower until the 50s, at the earliest.

[stupidtyonparad]

The Bible code also predicted 2006 and 2001. I hate to break it to you kid but time is arbitrary.


if you read my damn post i said "i dont know when the world is going to end, i just find it odd that everything is around the same time" i dont read the bible, i dont go to church either because they are always asking for money. besides, your in the fucking uk, your country is part of the european union which is the biggest scam going. im sorry, our country is worse shape than yours right now, but yours is far from perfect.

and im not some kid who believes eveything is a conspiracy, i just have little faith in this country and know some things ARE a conspiracy. again, not everything, some things. this guy actually makes me think if he gets enough support we can start to turn shit around

[Nevuk]

Despite the myth that people thought the world would end in 1000 AD, no one thought that. Or if they did they were very lonely, as the dates weren't quite synchronized. There are several different calendars, pretty much every country used its own dating system, and that is still true to an extent. China's is way above 5000, I think, as are many other asiatic countries.

[stupidtyonparad]

The 1830s - 1860s? America wasn't even close to a superpower until the Spanish American War, before that no one really viewed as anything more than a bunch of exiles. And we weren't even viewed as a superpower until the 50s, at the earliest.


thats why i said we were on our way. it was a time where our country was building up a lot of power. we werent like we were during the world wars which is where our country was easily the strongest, but we were working to that point. our country was expanding, eventually we would help lead civil rights movements, we were doing ok

[open mind]

yes as a matter of fact the country was in better condition than those times. during the slave trade this country was booming. we were on our way to becoming a world super power. granted, our civil rights werent int eh right place, but nobodys were. when we were a colony doesnt evne fucking count dumbass cause we werent a country then. but the people who fought the revolutionary war and eventually straightened ouur govenrment out were a hell of a lot smarter than the people we have in power now. granted htere was a slip up for a few years right after we became independant but thats to be expected.

and the wall street crash....yes. our economy is almost as bad and on top of that we're fighting a war that is the biggest load of shit sense the crusades

they may have been smarter, but they were a pretty hypocritical bunch of dickheads that conducted buisness in a way that directly contradicted themselves.

[stupidtyonparad]

Easilly the strongest? You're having a laugh. Russia was a major major force.

Also you didn't lead any civil rights movement. There were already equal rights in Europe decades before MLK.


A) i was reffering to when our country was at its strongest, not globally
B) i stand corrected about civil rights then. i did say that we HELPED with civil rights, but i was not 100% sure whereabouts the rest of the wordl was in agreement with our timeline

[stupidtyonparad]

they may have been smarter, but they were a pretty hypocritical bunch of dickheads that conducted buisness in a way that directly contradicted themselves.


you really think so? i view them as people who were just disgruntled with the world around them, much like some people to day. i will say however that the way they began the revolution was pretty terrorist-esque

[open mind]

you really think so? i view them as people who were just disgruntled with the world around them, much like some people to day. i will say however that the way they began the revolution was pretty terrorist-esque

all man are created equal and they all have the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness........except for slaves and native americans.

[stupidtyonparad]

all man are created equal and they all have the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness........except for slaves and native americans.


good point/bad point. we fucked the native americans over hard core but i think the global opinion of slaves back then was that they were a different kind of people and thus didnt deserve the same rights. i dont think they were doing anything wrong by using slave labor at the time, but it would ahve been exceptionally revolutionary for them to have kciked it out right then adn there (and rather ballsy too)

[open mind]

and women.

women aren't men, so even though they had poor attitudes on gender it wasn't exactly hypocritical of them to deny them the same rights.

[open mind]

good point/bad point. we fucked the native americans over hard core but i think the global opinion of slaves back then was that they were a different kind of people and thus didnt deserve the same rights. i dont think they were doing anything wrong by using slave labor at the time, but it would ahve been exceptionally revolutionary for them to have kciked it out right then adn there (and rather ballsy too)

it wasn't a global opinion.........it was an american viewpoint used to justify the barbaric and inhumane practice of slavery. the british got rid of their slaves well before we did.....and without a civil war for example.
saying they weren't doing anything wrong on the basis that everyone else was doing it (even though everyone wasn't) is retarded.

[Nevuk]

it wasn't a global opinion.........it was an american viewpoint used to justify the barbaric and inhumane practice of slavery. the british got rid of their slaves well before we did.....and without a civil war for example.
saying they weren't doing anything wrong on the basis that everyone else was doing it (even though everyone wasn't) is retarded.
British Colonialism wasn't slavery? They still did it, they just renamed it and moved it out of sight.

[stupidtyonparad]

it was illegal in britain? are you positive about that? either way the slave and women opinions of the generations that followed are not theirs to blame.

its the same as in the middle east, people are brought up to hate other people and they dont second guess it cause they dont know any better. im not saying its right, its just how things are

[The_kok]

and about the end of the world comment i made, lets look at it this way, theres 'bible code' about 2012 too involving things such as israel and the "mark of the beast" (666). while in the meantime national id cards are being approved which is set to ease people into the idea of the vchip which is essentially what the bible warns against.

and i dont know if the world is going to end in 2012...nobody does. but i find it a little uneasy that so many people have predicted the world to end between 1990 and 2020 and this one is pretty popular

the mark of the beast is 616, silly buns

[stupidtyonparad]

back to the piont, i didnt come ehre for a history debate. ron paul can help get rid of the shit storm that is currently raining on america

[open mind]

it was illegal in britain? are you positive about that? either way the slave and women opinions of the generations that followed are not theirs to blame.

its the same as in the middle east, people are brought up to hate other people and they dont second guess it cause they dont know any better. im not saying its right, its just how things are

yes i'm positive.........if you're going to talk about history at least have the decency to auctually know it.
you said that you don't believe that the founding fathers of this country were really doing anything wrong in continuing slavery as an american institution.........if it wasn't wrong, what else was it?
people in the middle east do second guess the way things are......to say otherwise is a broad generalization bordering on racism.

[open mind]

back to the piont, i didnt come ehre for a history debate. ron paul can help get rid of the shit storm that is currently raining on america

the things ron paul has said about history show how he's not that smart, and hence why he doesn't make for a great leader.

[stupidtyonparad]

yes i'm positive.........if you're going to talk about history at least have the decency to auctually know it.
you said that you don't believe that the founding fathers of this country were really doing anything wrong in continuing slavery as an american institution.........if it wasn't wrong, what else was it?
people in the middle east do second guess the way things are......to say otherwise is a broad generalization bordering on racism.



it was definitely wrong, and yes the thing about the middle east is a generalization. of course its wrong but for the most part its how people are brought up and they dont bother questioning it because they dotn think to. its sad, its very sad, but its the same as like if 200 years from now (i cant wait for somebody to go "hey i thought you said the world was ending") we decide having pets should be outlawed because its not right to keep them locked up. maybe thats true, but at the moment we (collectively) dont think it is wrong. some do, some people in the middle east disagree with the race/tribal war whatever you want to call it, but generally speaking, people are brought up with certain principles installed that they dont bother to question cause it doesnt come to mind, again, im not saying its right cause for the most part its wrong

[stupidtyonparad]

the things ron paul has said about history show how he's not that smart, and hence why he doesn't make for a great leader.

such as?

and for the record, whos better? mccain? hes a joke. obama? hes a carbon copy of every other political figure. they're all the same

[stupidtyonparad]

one of my cad teachers in high school told me once that the worst thing about america is the two party system, and the mroe i think about it, the more i agree. it effectively elliminates the choice aspect of democracy

[open mind]

it was definitely wrong, and yes the thing about the middle east is a generalization. of course its wrong but for the most part its how people are brought up and they dont bother questioning it because they dotn think to. its sad, its very sad, but its the same as like if 200 years from now (i cant wait for somebody to go "hey i thought you said the world was ending") we decide having pets should be outlawed because its not right to keep them locked up. maybe thats true, but at the moment we (collectively) dont think it is wrong. some do, some people in the middle east disagree with the race/tribal war whatever you want to call it, but generally speaking, people are brought up with certain principles installed that they dont bother to question cause it doesnt come to mind, again, im not saying its right cause for the most part its wrong

you should seriously just quit talking........you're just digging a deeper hole for yourself.
just about everyone questions the world and they're way of life to some degree sooner or later, and comparing slavery and the unrest in the middle east to pet ownership is absurd.

[stupidtyonparad]

no its really not, because a lot of people didnt consider slaves to be anywhere near the same as the white man. using pets isnt the best example, but i think it got my point across, people have certain things they are taught that a lot of people just accept. of course people question their way of life, thats how things change, thats how america began to try and get rid of slavery. but it takes time for that shit to happen because a lot of people dont bother to think about it, especially nowadays when who tila tequila is dating is way more important to most people than whats going on in washington

[open mind]

such as?

and for the record, whos better? mccain? hes a joke. obama? hes a carbon copy of every other political figure. they're all the same

saying america as a country was better off when we had slaves.
obama is better then mccain in my opinion, not incredibly better, but better nonetheless.
it's not the 2 party system that's the problem, it's the way you have to sell out to special interests in order to rise in them.

[uchiha]

the ignorance in this thread is just unbelievable

to know absolutely nothing about Ron Paul and to just make up false claims about him is just fucking stupid

[stupidtyonparad]

saying america as a country was better off when we had slaves.
obama is better then mccain in my opinion, not incredibly better, but better nonetheless.
it's not the 2 party system that's the problem, it's the way you have to sell out to special interests in order to rise in them.


i think its a combination of the two. the more parties we have the less somebody will have to sell their soul to the ideas of the party because more parties will therefore offer more sets of values, the republican and the democratic ideas dominate the political spectrum and you have to fit their mold to be successful

[stupidtyonparad]

the ignorance in this thread is just unbelievable

to know absolutely nothing about Ron Paul and to just make up false claims about him is just fucking stupid

god bless you, where have you been the past half hour.

[open mind]

no its really not, because a lot of people didnt consider slaves to be anywhere near the same as the white man. using pets isnt the best example, but i think it got my point across, people have certain things they are taught that a lot of people just accept. of course people question their way of life, thats how things change, thats how america began to try and get rid of slavery. but it takes time for that shit to happen because a lot of people dont bother to think about it, especially nowadays when who tila tequila is dating is way more important to most people than whats going on in washington

alot of people considered slaves to be just the same.....and arguing for something purely on what the majority believes is idiotic.
we have laws against cruelty to animals and we treat our pets better then we did slaves. dogs for example are pack animals and if you treat them decently they will choose to live with you and become a part of your pack. the domesticated house cat chooses to live among humans, and they have since the begining of recorded history because we attract their food (rodents and birds) with our food. i can see a better argument for other types of pets as being wrong......but not the most common ones.
people in the middle east aren't much concerned with tila tequila so don't project our pop-culture onto them.

[open mind]

the ignorance in this thread is just unbelievable

to know absolutely nothing about Ron Paul and to just make up false claims about him is just fucking stupid

way to make assumptions and contribute nothing of substance to the debate.

[stupidtyonparad]

no the guy is right, you guys have made claims on this guy that are incredibly wrong, such as the comments on racism and slavery. all you guys wanna do is criticize me because i believe in differnet things. and of course the middle east doesnt care about tila tequila, im just saying nowadays people arent subject to changing their opinions cause they would much rather be brainwashed by the television

[open mind]

i think its a combination of the two. the more parties we have the less somebody will have to sell their soul to the ideas of the party because more parties will therefore offer more sets of values, the republican and the democratic ideas dominate the political spectrum and you have to fit their mold to be successful

i'd say that in most cases the more fragmented a political system the cheaper and easier it is to buy influence.
i can see the possible benefits of a couple more political parties, but there are also some pretty serious drawbacks.

[stupidtyonparad]

im going to say that the guy who came in here and said you guys were ignorant that you tore apart for no reason is 100% right.

ron paul is by no means a racist
he wants to eliminate the funding into the drug war which will pardon and keep many suburban blacks out of jail

also
to say he wants the rich to get richer?
well im sorry but thats retarted.
he wants the currency to be gold backed in order to prevent inflation to keep money in the middle class's pockets. hes against the printing of more money which is what is crippling the not wealthy.

if you look at gas prices, the reason america's are climbing is because of the weak dollar. gas in relation to gold has stayed relatively consistant.

the guy is no moron, and you guys should be ashamed for attacking me over it

[open mind]

no the guy is right, you guys have made claims on this guy that are incredibly wrong, such as the comments on racism and slavery. all you guys wanna do is criticize me because i believe in differnet things. and of course the middle east doesnt care about tila tequila, im just saying nowadays people arent subject to changing their opinions cause they would much rather be brainwashed by the television

did he not say that america as a country was better off back when we still had slavery? did he not say that lincoln was wrong for fighting the civil war?
you were talking about people in the middle east......applying what americans do with their free time to what people in middle east do doesn't make sense.

[open mind]

im going to say that the guy who came in here and said you guys were ignorant that you tore apart for no reason is 100% right.

ron paul is by no means a racist
he wants to eliminate the funding into the drug war which will pardon and keep many suburban blacks out of jail

also
to say he wants the rich to get richer?
well im sorry but thats retarted.
he wants the currency to be gold backed in order to prevent inflation to keep money in the middle class's pockets. hes against the printing of more money which is what is crippling the not wealthy.

if you look at gas prices, the reason america's are climbing is because of the weak dollar. gas in relation to gold has stayed relatively consistant.

the guy is no moron, and you guys should be ashamed for attacking me over it

i didn't say he was racist......i said he's got a poor understanding of history yet still shares his opinions on it, which reflects on his intelligence and ability to be a good leader.
being anti-regulation is an ultimately pro-buisness/anti-consumer stance.
gas prices are rising because demand is rising.

[stupidtyonparad]

i didn't say he was racist......i said he's got a poor understanding of history yet still shares his opinions on it, which reflects on his intelligence and ability to be a good leader.
being anti-regulation is an ultimately pro-buisness/anti-consumer stance.
gas prices are rising because demand is rising.


you just lost all of my respect for that statement. your a fool. that is such a small reason why gas is rising. im sorry but thats just wrong

[open mind]

you just lost all of my respect for that statement. your a fool. that is such a small reason why gas is rising. im sorry but thats just wrong

pot. kettle. black.
how you can say it's a small reason i don't know.

[stupidtyonparad]

pot. kettle. black.
how you can say it's a small reason i don't know.


wow good retort there.........you really showed me huh?


lets take a look at the situation a little bit shall we?
gas prices are at record highs apparently because of more net consumption? why is consumption up so high? is because of hybrid cars that use less gas? or because people are traveling less because the prices are higher? of course not. that statement is idiotic.

like i said before, our gas prices are high due to a weak american dollar. prices in europe have not gone up as much as ours have and the price of a barrel of oil in relation to gold has barely gone up at all (again, one of ron pauls founding principles) i will note though that europe is paying more than we are, but they have paid more than we have for years. the middle east uses this as an agrument saying we are getting a good deal.

also...gas prices spiked heavily when katrina took out some american refinerys, the prices never did go back down like they were supposed to though. whys this? because major oil companies knew they could charge that amount and people would still pay it. major oil companies as we speak are recording record profits due to increased prices.
also there is less coming out of the middle east. how much less? i cant give you a number but it is not as much as most americans would like to believe.

the reason oil is high is not because of consumption, its because crooks can put it that high and people will stay pay and its because the american dollar is weaker than its been in years. after all...the canadian dollar is worth more in comparison to ther american dollar than it has been in decades.

sorry.

[open mind]

wow good retort there.........you really showed me huh?


lets take a look at the situation a little bit shall we?
gas prices are at record highs apparently because of more net consumption? why is consumption up so high? is because of hybrid cars that use less gas? or because people are traveling less because the prices are higher? of course not. that statement is idiotic.

like i said before, our gas prices are high due to a weak american dollar. prices in europe have not gone up as much as ours have and the price of a barrel of oil in relation to gold has barely gone up at all (again, one of ron pauls founding principles) i will note though that europe is paying more than we are, but they have paid more than we have for years. the middle east uses this as an agrument saying we are getting a good deal.

also...gas prices spiked heavily when katrina took out some american refinerys, the prices never did go back down like they were supposed to though. whys this? because major oil companies knew they could charge that amount and people would still pay it. major oil companies as we speak are recording record profits due to increased prices.
also there is less coming out of the middle east. how much less? i cant give you a number but it is not as much as most americans would like to believe.

the reason oil is high is not because of consumption, its because crooks can put it that high and people will stay pay and its because the american dollar is weaker than its been in years. after all...the canadian dollar is worth more in comparison to ther american dollar than it has been in decades.

sorry.

global consumption is up because other countries are using more oil (china comes to mind).....which effects (our relatively low) prices (other countries with stronger currencies pay more for their gas).
prices spiking when supply was interrupted and lessened would cause an increase in demand......and oil companies have no real motivation to decrease demand.
the reasons you site for oil prices being high would not automattically be effected or changed if we based our currency on gold.........what's more likely to happen is gold will start to become devalued.
i guess none of that makes sense, and i'm just a fool though right?

[stupidtyonparad]

global consumption is up because other countries are using more oil (china comes to mind).....which effects (our relatively low) prices (other countries with stronger currencies pay more for their gas).
prices spiking when supply was interrupted and lessened would cause an increase in demand......and oil companies have no real motivation to decrease demand.
the reasons you site for oil prices being high would not automattically be effected or changed if we based our currency on gold.........what's more likely to happen is gold will start to become devalued.


really? what is our currency based on now? a promise. and we're not keeping that promise. like i said twice now, gas prices in relation to gold havent changed. therefore, we would have a steady oil market again. its not very tough to decifer boss

[open mind]

really? what is our currency based on now? a promise. and we're not keeping that promise. like i said twice now, gas prices in relation to gold havent changed. therefore, we would have a steady oil market again. its not very tough to decifer boss

the price of gold in relation to oil hasn't changed, but you can't say with any sort of certainty that it wouldn't change if we decided to base our currency on gold..........and converting the weak dollar to gold will almost certainly weaken the price of gold to some degree.
you do realize you just ignored my valid and logical points concerning supply and demand right?

[stupidtyonparad]

why wouldnt there be certainty? and yeah i ignored them, cause they're irrelevant. ok lets talk about increased demand. china just started becoming a major consumer during the bush administration? didnt think so.........................

gas prices didnt really start to climb like they are (few cents a day) until the second half of bush's first term. there have always been increasing consumption from countrys such as china and it hasnt sparked the rise that our bad economy has.

[open mind]

why wouldnt there be certainty? and yeah i ignored them, cause they're irrelevant. ok lets talk about increased demand. china just started becoming a major consumer during the bush administration? didnt think so.........................

gas prices didnt really start to climb like they are (few cents a day) until the second half of bush's first term. there have always been increasing consumption from countrys such as china and it hasnt sparked the rise that our bad economy has.

there wouldn't be certainty because gold just like the dollar goes up and down in value due to market fluctuation.
irrelevant? explain to me how less oil being brought to market and/or produced doesn't effect demand and in turn prices.
yes, china along with some other rather large countries have greatly increased their consumption in recent years, due to the goal of using less coal and strong economies in their respective countries resulting in more people buying and driving cars.........do some research before spouting unfounded opinions.
http://www.china.org.cn/business/2008-04/30/content_15039596.htm

[stupidtyonparad]

my opinions were far from unfounded. they are still right. like i said, our prices have gone up way more than european prices due.....again.....because of a shitty economy over here. anad you changed your statement, you were originally only talking about foreign countries and now your talking about less oil being brought to market which is something i already addressed

and guess what..
i dont give a FUCK about china. i care about this country and this country's biggest flaw is how we worry about other countries more htan our own citizens.

[staywhatyouare9]

/boring

[open mind]

my opinions were far from unfounded. they are still right. like i said, our prices have gone up way more than european prices due.....again.....because of a shitty economy over here. anad you changed your statement, you were originally only talking about foreign countries and now your talking about less oil being brought to market which is something i already addressed

and guess what..
i dont give a FUCK about china. i care about this country and this country's biggest flaw is how we worry about other countries more htan our own citizens.

your opinions are unfounded, china and other countries have in fact started consuming much more oil in recent years, prices do rise when demand rises, gold is just as subject to market fluctuation as the dollar, and giving a fuck about a country has no bearing on whether or not it effects another countries economy.
i didn't change what i've been saying, i said demand has risen so prices have risen.......you've just insisted on me explaining how and why that works in greater detail.........and i did mention how less oil being brought to market and/produced effects demand from the start of this line of discussion.

[stupidtyonparad]

no you dumb fuck. your ignoring the fact that our gas prices have gone up more than other countries, specifically the european union. this argument is boring because your not fucking listening. of course prices goes up when the demand is up, the point and problem with this country is that ours is going up more because our dollar is weaker. did you happen to notice the canadian dollar is worth more than ours now? ive said it like 5 times now, our price has gone up more than other countries because our economy is in the shitter.

this argument is fucking useless cause you dont realize something when i say it 5 times.

and this has ntohing to do with ron paul, again the civil war and hte racist shit your saying......whatever. this guy is the most open minded, noncorrupt politician we have in our system and thats what i came here to say. look at his voting records, he hasnt changed his opinion once to fit his party. where was barack obama when it came time to vote on iran, he wasnt even there.

im done with this. this discussion is nothing like i had planned and even the discussion that has come to be is one that is misconstrued and wrong.

[open mind]

no you dumb fuck. your ignoring the fact that our gas prices have gone up more than other countries, specifically the european union. this argument is boring because your not fucking listening. of course prices goes up when the demand is up, the point and problem with this country is that ours is going up more because our dollar is weaker. did you happen to notice the canadian dollar is worth more than ours now? ive said it like 5 times now, our price has gone up more than other countries because our economy is in the shitter.

this argument is fucking useless cause you dont realize something when i say it 5 times.

and this has ntohing to do with ron paul, again the civil war and hte racist shit your saying......whatever. this guy is the most open minded, noncorrupt politician we have in our system and thats what i came here to say. look at his voting records, he hasnt changed his opinion once to fit his party. where was barack obama when it came time to vote on iran, he wasnt even there.

im done with this. this discussion is nothing like i had planned and even the discussion that has come to be is one that is misconstrued and wrong.

listen you arrogant little cum stain, i've tried to be patient and reasonable with you despite your consistently illogical, unintelligent, unfounded, and quite frankly idiotic arguments, i really did.......but fuck you dude, either admit you're wrong or go eat a dick.
gas prices are higher in other countries and basing our currency on gold would not automattically stabilize our currency or change the nature of the current economy.......it's like suggesting we switch from beef to pork to cure heart disease.
you can't prove ron paul is any more open minded or less corrupt then the majority of politicians.........all you can say with any certainty is that he says things others don't.

[stupidtyonparad]

listen you arrogant little cum stain, i've tried to be patient and reasonable with you despite your consistently illogical, unintelligent, unfounded, and quite frankly idiotic arguments, i really did.......but fuck you dude, either admit you're wrong or go eat a dick.
gas prices are higher in other countries and basing our currency on gold would not automattically stabilize our currency or change the nature of the current economy.......it's like suggesting we switch from beef to pork to cure heart disease.
you can't prove ron paul is any more open minded or less corrupt then the majority of politicians.........all you can say with any certainty is that he says things others don't.


can you not read?

seeing you cant, ill say one more time

our gas prices have gone up more than other coutnries due to a weak dollar. they have increased more percentage-wise than europe plus the canadian dollar is worht more in comparison to american dollars than it has been in decades.

YOU ARE IGNORING THESE POINTS

and in referance to ron paul you can prove he hasnt changed his opinions to fit in with a party by simply looking at his records you fucking idiot. his voting has alwasy been consistant with where he stands.

learn to read please. ive said this all many times and its pretty obvious my 8 year old sister could probably understand it.

peace.

[open mind]

can you not read?

seeing you cant, ill say one more time

our gas prices have gone up more than other coutnries due to a weak dollar. they have increased more percentage-wise than europe plus the canadian dollar is worht more in comparison to american dollars than it has been in decades.

YOU ARE IGNORING THESE POINTS

and in referance to ron paul you can prove he hasnt changed his opinions to fit in with a party by simply looking at his records you fucking idiot. his voting has alwasy been consistant with where he stands.

learn to read please. ive said this all many times and its pretty obvious my 8 year old sister could probably understand it.

peace.

you repeated that over and over..........and then overlooked my thoughts on why your (and ron pauls) suggested solution doesn't make a shred of sense over and over dipshit.
being rigid and never changing ones opinion does not denote an open mind.

[stupidtyonparad]

oh and by the way im arrogant? i come in here start a thread about something i believe in and get attacked by 4 or 5 people. they and you are the arrogant ones, and you had to resort to ignoring vital points and saying the same shit over and over again proving no point after everybody else lost.

oh and by the way...cum stain? are we in junior high? come on

[stupidtyonparad]

tahts because you never addressed those opinions cause they are obvious and prove my opinion. i abandoned the gold standard thing a while ago because if you think about it at all youll understand it plus i lost interest on your mis-informed opinions. sure gold fluctuates but again, it has remained much more consistant than the american dollar and the european dollar at that, now lets end this before you make yourself look younger than you already have

[open mind]

oh and by the way im arrogant? i come in here start a thread about something i believe in and get attacked by 4 or 5 people. they and you are the arrogant ones, and you had to resort to ignoring vital points and saying the same shit over and over again proving no point after everybody else lost.

oh and by the way...cum stain? are we in junior high? come on

yeah you are arrogant.......i was having a civil debate with you before you decided to resort to insulting my intelligence.
i didn't ignore any of your points. you just repeated them ad nauseum despite my responses that directly addressed them.

[open mind]

tahts because you never addressed those opinions cause they are obvious and prove my opinion. i abandoned the gold standard thing a while ago because if you think about it at all youll understand it plus i lost interest on your mis-informed opinions. sure gold fluctuates but again, it has remained much more consistant than the american dollar and the european dollar at that, now lets end this before you make yourself look younger than you already have

i'll say it again.............gold would not automattically continue to stay stable if we switched to basing our currency on it.
don't take on an offensive style of argument if you're not prepared to receive a response made in a similiar manner.

[stupidtyonparad]

yeah you are arrogant.......i was having a civil debate with you before you decided to resort to insulting my intelligence.
i didn't ignore any of your points. you just repeated them ad nauseum despite my responses that directly addressed them.


i lost interest. your points were meaningless and basically the same thing over and over while you never once addressed the fact that the american dollar is weaker than the canadian dollar or you never once addressed that gold has remained rather constant with oil, european prices have gone up slightly and american prices have gone up way more than both. im sorry but maybe if you addressed some points, we could get on to some new discussions.

im out boss. g'night

[open mind]

i lost interest. you never once addressed the fact that the american dollar is weaker than the canadian dollar or you never once addressed that gold has remained rather constant with oil, european prices have gone up slightly and american prices have gone up way more than both. im sorry but maybe if you addressed some points, we could get on to some new discussions.

im out boss. g'night

i understand, it's easier to say you lost interest then to admit you're wrong
i didn't address it because your point is almost completely unrelated to the topic at hand. what does the canadian dollar have to do with the price of oil and gold in america again?
my point is that it doesn't matter if the price of gold has remained constant because there is no reason to think it would continue to do so if we suddenly chose to base our currency on it........it's not my fault that you're to dense to grasp that.

[stupidtyonparad]

i understand, it's easier to say you lost interest then to admit you're wrong
i didn't address it because your point is almost completely unrelated to the topic at hand. what does the canadian dollar have to do with the price of oil and gold in america again?
my point is that it doesn't matter if the price of gold has remained constant because there is no reason to think it would continue to do so if we suddenly chose to base our currency on it........it's not my fault that you're to dense to grasp that.


noooooooooooooooo
no no no no no no.

for shits sake.
stop talking. please.
the canadian dollar is relevant because it shows how shitty our economy is. that. is. why. gas. prices. are. going. up. so. steeply.

god.

and for the gold thing......ugh im not even going to address it, your not worht my time anymore

[Machu505]

tl;dr

[Nevuk]

lol, Paul has said statements that require Racist warrants. I could dig them up but its too boring to do so, its been gone over multiple times before on this board.. His stance on abortion is the ultimate hypocrisy, etc. He has a different definition of 'smallest possible government" than many of his supporters. Those are the starting problems with him.

[GiggsOho]

one of my cad teachers in high school told me once that the worst thing about america is the two party system, and the mroe i think about it, the more i agree. it effectively elliminates the choice aspect of democracy


I stopped reading this thread here. You and your cad teacher are idiots.

[stupidtyonparad]

I stopped reading this thread here. You and your cad teacher are idiots.

ha...how?

[GiggsOho]

ha...how?


Give me a logical reason as to why and how that possibly makes sense. Liberals and conservatives have been at each other's neck this entire decade, so there are clear cut choices in what you are voting for, in one party or another.

[stupidtyonparad]

Give me a logical reason as to why and how that possibly makes sense. Liberals and conservatives have been at each other's neck this entire decade, so there are clear cut choices in what you are voting for, in one party or another.


are you kidding me? the democrats and the republicans are basically the exact same thing. they appear different if you dont acutally look at their politicians but in reality they are all trying to do the same thing. every politician is working with the others so they can make money. thats how it is. its all about compromising your beliefs and selling your soul in order to move up the political latter, fit in with a party, and make money. we discussed this a few pages back.

if there were more parties oone wouldnt have to fit the mold that is dem or rep and they wouldnt ahve to compromise their beliefs anywhere near as much as they do now

[GiggsOho]

are you kidding me? the democrats and the republicans are basically the exact same thing. they appear different if you dont acutally look at their politicians but in reality they are all trying to do the same thing. every politician is working with the others so they can make money. thats how it is. its all about compromising your beliefs and selling your soul in order to move up the political latter, fit in with a party, and make money. we discussed this a few pages back.

if there were more parties oone wouldnt have to fit the mold that is dem or rep and they wouldnt ahve to compromise their beliefs anywhere near as much as they do now


No one is telling you to base your beliefs on one party. No one is telling "Pick dems and stay with us" or "pick GOP and stay with us for life." You still have a choice for who you vote for. And sometimes you have to compromise, or else nothing would ever get accomplished. You can't flick a light switch and expect the country and its gov't to make rash changes in the blink of an eye. Get with the program, junior.

[stupidtyonparad]

No one is telling you to base your beliefs on one party. No one is telling "Pick dems and stay with us" or "pick GOP and stay with us for life." You still have a choice for who you vote for. And sometimes you have to compromise, or else nothing would ever get accomplished. You can't flick a light switch and expect the country and its gov't to make rash changes in the blink of an eye. Get with the program, junior.


im with the program, and the program is flawed. shit doenst get done and whatever does get done, not much of it is good usually.

our country's in the shitter, so the program is doing us no good

[open mind]

noooooooooooooooo
no no no no no no.

for shits sake.
stop talking. please.
the canadian dollar is relevant because it shows how shitty our economy is. that. is. why. gas. prices. are. going. up. so. steeply.

god.

and for the gold thing......ugh im not even going to address it, your not worht my time anymore

prices are going up all around the world because demand is rising, our economy isn't in the best of shape which affects the value of the dollar (which in large part explains why prices have gone up quicker here then in other countries) but nothing you've talked about would correct that problem in any meaningful way.......unless you count shifting the problem as a correction.

[open mind]

im with the program, and the program is flawed. shit doenst get done and whatever does get done, not much of it is good usually.

our country's in the shitter, so the program is doing us no good

yes the program is flawed, but simply adding more parties doesn't fix the root of the problem (big money from special interest groups).
comprehensive campaign finance reform (not the loophole laden mccain version of it) and stricter ethics laws would address the issue at it's root.

[thespearkid]

are you kidding me? the democrats and the republicans are basically the exact same thing.
Wrong. If you can't see the obvious differences between Democrats and Republicans, you're a moron.

they appear different if you dont acutally look at their politicians but in reality they are all trying to do the same thing. every politician is working with the others so they can make money.
Wrong. People like you who say things like this about all politicians are part of what's wrong with this country. There are plenty of honest politicians looking to help out their community. I know a few of them from my local community who are piss poor and still choose to be politicians because they want to make a difference. Feel free to send them an email about how they're money grubbing evil-doers though.

thats how it is. its all about compromising your beliefs and selling your soul in order to move up the political latter, fit in with a party, and make money.
Wrong. Most state senates don't pay shit so your money argument is wrong, sir.

if there were more parties oone wouldnt have to fit the mold that is dem or rep and they wouldnt ahve to compromise their beliefs anywhere near as much as they do now
Fail. There are plenty of other political parties than Democrate and Republican. Liberterian, Green, Reform, etc. Hell, join the Whig Party. Maybe you'd be more fit to be a Bull Moose though. Point is, there's plenty of choice in American politics. People like you, however, prefer to sit on your computers and bitch about the country rather than doing anything to inform yourself about it.

[asmolitor]

the world is supposed to end in 2012 but if ron paul can help inspire the masses we can avoid that
everybody thinks america is filled with morons who cant think for themselves.
the idea of the vchip which is essentially what the bible warns against.

quoted out of context for idiocy. then again, in context, not much better.

gas prices in relation to gold havent changed.

crude oil futures are up to $140 as of thursday, a 48% increase in 2008. gold, at $915, represents a 5% gain in 2008. swing and a miss.

ok lets talk about increased demand. china just started becoming a major consumer during the bush administration? didnt think so......
http://www.all-creatures.org/hope/gw/China%27s_oil_consumption_1980-2006.jpg

boy, i'd say that spike from 2001 to 2006 is pretty damning. especially since the absolute increase in barrels of oil consumed in that span is the same increase from, say, 1989 to 2001. plus, this graph omits 2007, or any hint for 2008. that'd be even better.

sure gold fluctuates but again, it has remained much more consistant than the american dollar

actually, from peak to valley, the dollar index has only an 8% difference in the 6 month chart. gold, on the other hand, has about an 18% difference.

the fact that the american dollar is weaker than the canadian dollar

umm, actually, using the 6 month timeframe i have for all other charts... the USDCAD=X has been trading sideways all year.

http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=USDCAD=X#chart4:symbol=us dcad=x;range=5y;indicator=volume;ch arttype=line;crosshair=on;ohlcvalue s=0;logscale=on;source=undefined




my tally makes that 5 for 5.

[open mind]

quoted out of context for idiocy. then again, in context, not much better.



crude oil futures are up to $140 as of thursday, a 48% increase in 2008. gold, at $915, represents a 5% gain in 2008. swing and a miss.


http://www.all-creatures.org/hope/gw/China%27s_oil_consumption_1980-2006.jpg

boy, i'd say that spike from 2001 to 2006 is pretty damning. especially since the absolute increase in barrels of oil consumed in that span is the same increase from, say, 1989 to 2001. plus, this graph omits 2007, or any hint for 2008. that'd be even better.



actually, from peak to valley, the dollar index has only an 8% difference in the 6 month chart. gold, on the other hand, has about an 18% difference.



umm, actually, using the 6 month timeframe i have for all other charts... the USDCAD=X has been trading sideways all year.

http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=USDCAD=X#chart4:symbol=us dcad=x;range=5y;indicator=volume;ch arttype=line;crosshair=on;ohlcvalue s=0;logscale=on;source=undefined




my tally makes that 5 for 5.

props.
i should have checked if dude had his facts right on the dollar and gold and oil prices (hell now that i think about it, common sense should have told me that the price of gold wasn't keeping pace with oil)........but i figured his reasoning was ridiculous enough even if he was right about them.

[asmolitor]

props.
i should have checked if dude had his facts right on the dollar and gold and oil prices (hell now that i think about it, common sense should have told me that the price of gold wasn't keeping pace with oil)........but i figured his reasoning was ridiculous enough even if he was right about them.

heh, yeah, that guy's all over the place. granted, it's fairly complex, given that oil and gold are both priced in dollars - but the dollar itself doesn't have a constant value, so to speak. but alas, i had to test his ridiculous claims using marketwatch and yahoo finance charts.

as for his ron paul rhetoric of saving america, well, that's been debunked over and over again for the last 6 months in this forum. no further dialogue needed.

[stupidtyonparad]

Wrong. If you can't see the obvious differences between Democrats and Republicans, you're a moron.


Wrong. People like you who say things like this about all politicians are part of what's wrong with this country. There are plenty of honest politicians looking to help out their community. I know a few of them from my local community who are piss poor and still choose to be politicians because they want to make a difference. Feel free to send them an email about how they're money grubbing evil-doers though.


Wrong. Most state senates don't pay shit so your money argument is wrong, sir.


Fail. There are plenty of other political parties than Democrate and Republican. Liberterian, Green, Reform, etc. Hell, join the Whig Party. Maybe you'd be more fit to be a Bull Moose though. Point is, there's plenty of choice in American politics. People like you, however, prefer to sit on your computers and bitch about the country rather than doing anything to inform yourself about it.



you got so caught up in your insults that you missed the point incredibly.
of course there are other political parties, there are tons, even ones as stupid as their only political platform is to legalize weed. the problem is none of these parties are in a position of any power, none of thier candidates will ever get elected.

and of course there are honest politicians, but again, these are in the community, its a lot different when they try to make their way up the ladder to run for president. its common knowledge that major politicians are corrupt, and the honest ones are struggling just to stay in the game.

[stupidtyonparad]

and on the gold versus oil situation, i will say, as it was a small part of my argument, i hadnt researched it very thoroughly and was relying on what other speakers have said.

after doing some research, gold was incredibly high in relation to oil a few years back but do to fed cuts it went down quiet a bit, but as of recent charts, gold is on the climb again.

however, how this deals with my discussion of our oil prices rasing due to a weak american dollar, i dont know. one could argue its because ron paul believes we should be gold backed, which, as you have proven with your charts isnt a rock hard platform, it is still much sturdier than our current system.

also, i never once said oil consumption in other countries is not the problem, i have been stating all along that oil prices are rising everywhere, my main argument has, again, been that it has increased more in america than other countries, and the reason is simply our shitty economy. theres is no way around that.

i will give you that my gold statement was a little poorly researched at the time but my opinions on oil arent

[asmolitor]

and on the gold versus oil situation, i will say, as it was a small part of my argument, i hadnt researched it very thoroughly and was relying on what other speakers have said.

it showed.

after doing some research, gold was incredibly high in relation to oil a few years back but do to fed cuts it went down quiet a bit, but as of recent charts, gold is on the climb again.

in the wave of fed rate cuts, the first one of the batch was on august 17, 2007. gold is up 33% since then. i don't know where you get your "on the rise" delusion, but it's been trading sideways since mid-march, and is actually down 9% off its yearly high. i mean, here's the chart i'm looking at - from marketwatch - pretty legitimate. i don't know what connect-the-dot coloring book charts they have in ron paul land, but this is what flies in the real world:

http://www.marketwatch.com/tools/quotes/intchart.asp?intflavor=advanced&symb=GC08Q&sid=2440815&freq=1&time=8&dist=TQP_chart_image

however, how this deals with my discussion of our oil prices rasing due to a weak american dollar, i dont know.

how does inflation (essentially what you're describing) deal with prices of commodities such as oil and gold, considering those commodities are priced in dollars, and the value of a single $USD is constantly fluctuating, sometimes towards depreciation? yeah, wow, i'd be lost too if i didn't inadvertantly answer my own damn rhetorical question.

one could argue its because ron paul believes we should be gold backed, which, as you have proven with your charts isnt a rock hard platform, it is still much sturdier than our current system.

so you missed the point where i showed that the dollar index is actually less volatile than gold, huh?

also, i never once said oil consumption in other countries is not the problem

yeah? then i guess your whole " china just started becoming a major consumer during the bush administration? didnt think so..." part doesn't qualify. oh, and the eloquent, "i dont give a FUCK about china." oil isn't exclusively an american problem.

i have been stating all along that oil prices are rising everywhere, my main argument has, again, been that it has increased more in america than other countries, and the reason is simply our shitty economy. theres is no way around that.

i will give you that my gold statement was a little poorly researched at the time but my opinions on oil arent

oil price increases are not primarily due to monetary policy. oil is a global commodity with price increases exacerbated by increased global demand without an adequate increase in global supply. even if i entertained your half-baked assertions, the CPI is only up 4% from 2007. if gas prices have risen more than 4% since this time last year in 2007, well, i'd say that your "shitty economy" argument (if you could call it one, since it's more or less fallacious rambling) doesn't really stand.

[salmarnirecho]

back to the piont, i didnt come ehre for a history debate. ron paul can help get rid of the shit storm that is currently raining on america

How?

[TheZeroKid]

Ron Paul had as much chance of winning the nomination as Dennis Kucinich...which was NONE. I was all for Kucinich's run for president, but no one will go for him because he's too liberal and no one will go for Ron Paul because he's batshit out of his mind.

[BruisedxBroken]

Ron Paul supporters are sheep who long for acceptance and have way too much time/money on their hands...

[saysmydoctor]

I saw a Ron Paul ad in Texas. Yikes, fucking yikes.

[mattybobviously]

I don't agree with him on policy very much... but I like the guy :shrug: Don't understand why he gets so much hate.

[saysmydoctor]

Probably that racism thing.

[oldwirehands]

how the fuck is he racist? the guy is a genius and is trying to get rid of the bull shit george doulbeya installed cause hes a piece of shit. the world is supposed to end in 2012 but if ron paul can help inspire the masses we can avoid that

People like you are the reason the truth is generally ignored most of the time. People take the information they receive and run away with it. The world is not going to end in 2012. It is the coming of a new age and there are religions who speculate some major change will occur. Ron Paul is a decent dude but he's not a genius because of it. Please stop watching YouTube propaganda and open a book.

[GiggsOho]

People like you are the reason the truth is generally ignored most of the time. People take the information they receive and run away with it. The world is not going to end in 2012. It is the coming of a new age and there are religions who speculate some major change will occur. Ron Paul is a decent dude but he's not a genius because of it. Please stop watching YouTube propaganda and open a book.


:appl:

[oldwirehands]

Ron Paul supporters are sheep who long for acceptance and have way too much time/money on their hands...

The same sheep who watched Zeitgeist and became scared shitless of the future. Its a good thing it has driven people fearful of the future but people do desperate things when they're scared. Just like the people who support the war on terrorism and drugs. Fear tactics are used by all political parties now.

[BruisedxBroken]

The same sheep who watched Zeitgeist and became scared shitless of the future. Its a good thing it has driven people fearful of the future but people do desperate things when they're scared. Just like the people who support the war on terrorism and drugs. Fear tactics are used by all political parties now.

I have no idea what the fuck you're talking about, so I'm pleading ignorance here...

<---- :nods politely:

[mattybobviously]

I don't buy into the racism thing, don't see Paul as legitimately a racist, the whole scandal just seemed like a big mess. His policies are shit, but he mobilized people admirably, I'm encouraged to see what kind of trouble his delegates will stir up on the convention floor.

[asmolitor]

Ron Paul supporters are sheep who long for acceptance and have way too much time/money on their hands...
Ron Paul is a decent dude but he's not a genius because of it. Please stop watching YouTube propaganda and open a book.
The same sheep who watched Zeitgeist and became scared shitless of the future. Its a good thing it has driven people fearful of the future but people do desperate things when they're scared. Just like the people who support the war on terrorism and drugs. Fear tactics are used by all political parties now.

a while back, someone in this forum said that the people who accept zeitgeist/9-11/ron paul propoganda as explicit truths are just as bad as those who are hardcore bible-thumping politics-of-god believers. i'm paraphrasing, but i wholeheartedly agree.

I don't buy into the racism thing, don't see Paul as legitimately a racist, the whole scandal just seemed like a big mess. His policies are shit, but he mobilized people admirably, I'm encouraged to see what kind of trouble his delegates will stir up on the convention floor.

i don't really see how admirable it is to lead people into believing in shit policies. though i will concede that in terms of fundraising, he was pretty damn good. if you can invoke guy fawkes and make 5 million in a day, and you didn't have a hand in "v for vendetta," that's somewhat admirable.

[mattybobviously]

i don't really see how admirable it is to lead people into believing in shit policies. though i will concede that in terms of fundraising, he was pretty damn good. if you can invoke guy fawkes and make 5 million in a day, and you didn't have a hand in "v for vendetta," that's somewhat admirable.
I don't have anything against libertarianism, I just think it's a piss poor route to take in comparison to other schools of thought. That being said, I think it makes a hell of a lot more sense that neo-conservatism

[oldwirehands]

a while back, someone in this forum said that the people who accept zeitgeist/9-11/ron paul propoganda as explicit truths are just as bad as those who are hardcore bible-thumping politics-of-god believers. i'm paraphrasing, but i wholeheartedly agree.



i don't really see how admirable it is to lead people into believing in shit policies. though i will concede that in terms of fundraising, he was pretty damn good. if you can invoke guy fawkes and make 5 million in a day, and you didn't have a hand in "v for vendetta," that's somewhat admirable.

Oh, I love the Zeitgeist movie and even more so Arron Russo's America: Freedom To Fascism. But I went off and did some independent research which am still doing so to this day. And I'm actually trying to make a change in my own life rather than just talking about a change like most people do. There are a lot of people who are all talk rather than take action.

The bottom line is: if people want change to happen, then they need to start making the change with themselves. Not put all of their faith in some documentary or shady politician.

[BruisedxBroken]

This should / thread...

I have a friend, who recently lost his wife and everything he had to nasty, bitter divorce (she was fucking another dude, and called it off after 20 some years). Although politically moderate, this friend was emotionally "vulnerable" before the divorce, so when she kicked him, he bascically flew over the edge. This friend soon lost his job and proceeded to move in with a wealthy relative. He was entirely taken care of, no bills, no job, nothing. During this time, he spent most of his days online, indoctrinating himself with fringe right, Ron Paul-esque shit. He eventually met and befriended another Ron Paul whack-job, who even agreed to house my friend on his ranch in Montana in return for yard work/Ron Paul campaigning (sheep who earn their keep. what an idea!) This guy my friend met currently has about 15-20 "lost souls" living on his ranch, doing the exact same thing...

My point is, these fringe types are vocal. They're creative, persuasive and willing to do anything to convert you. They purposely prey on people who are vulnerable and weak-minded, giving them "a reason to go on" (My friend honestly thinks the world will end if Ron Paul doesn't get elected. I say who gives a shit? You're a broke, unemployed ranch hand. If it were me; the sooner the better)...

The funniest thing is, these fringe types also see things like organized government/religion as being cult-like. Really? And the Ron Paul fan club isn't?? Get with it people...

[oldwirehands]

This should / thread...

I have a friend, who recently lost his wife and everything he had to nasty, bitter divorce (she was fucking another dude, and called it off after 20 some years). Although politically moderate, this friend was emotionally "vulnerable" before the divorce, so when she kicked him, he bascically flew over the edge. This friend soon lost his job and proceeded to move in with a wealthy relative. He was entirely taken care of, no bills, no job, nothing. During this time, he spent most of his days online, indoctrinating himself with fringe right, Ron Paul-esque shit. He eventually met and befriended another Ron Paul whack-job, who even agreed to house my friend on his ranch in Montana in return for yard work/Ron Paul campaigning (sheep who earn their keep. what an idea!) This guy my friend met currently has about 15-20 "lost souls" living on his ranch, doing the exact same thing...

My point is, these fringe types are vocal. They're creative, persuasive and willing to do anything to convert you. They purposely prey on people who are vulnerable and weak-minded, giving them "a reason to go on" (My friend honestly thinks the world will end if Ron Paul doesn't get elected. I say who gives a shit? You're a broke, unemployed ranch hand. If it were me; the sooner the better)...

The funniest thing is, these fringe types also see things like organized government/religion as being cult-like. Really? And the Ron Paul fan club isn't?? Get with it people...

I look at it this way: at least they aren't following someone who is willing to bomb the shit out of anything that stands in the way of our American globalization. But still, its an unhealthy way to live. Like I said, people hear something scary and run away with it, scared shitless, and they run to something or someone to protect them rather than standing up for themselves.

And Kucinich > Paul all the way.

[asmolitor]

Oh, I love the Zeitgeist movie and even more so Arron Russo's America: Freedom To Fascism. But I went off and did some independent research which am still doing so to this day. And I'm actually trying to make a change in my own life rather than just talking about a change like most people do. There are a lot of people who are all talk rather than take action.

The bottom line is: if people want change to happen, then they need to start making the change with themselves. Not put all of their faith in some documentary or shady politician.

oh, don't get me wrong, i'm not trying to come down on zeitgeist or any of those documentaries... just the concept that i've seen others take - believing everything in those types of clips as the end-all truth, while looking down on people whose unquestioned truths happen to be bible-related. there's a lack of step 2 to many a process.

I don't have anything against libertarianism, I just think it's a piss poor route to take in comparison to other schools of thought. That being said, I think it makes a hell of a lot more sense that neo-conservatism

i don't either. it's just that when you say he mobilized people admirably, to which i agree he did a decent job - if it's under the pretense of terrible policy, all he's done is lead a lot of people to believe, well, shit. it's certainly no different than any other politician, but it falls just outside of admirable to me.

[mattybobviously]

oh, don't get me wrong, i'm not trying to come down on zeitgeist or any of those documentaries... just the concept that i've seen others take - believing everything in those types of clips as the end-all truth, while looking down on people whose unquestioned truths happen to be bible-related. there's a lack of step 2 to many a process.



i don't either. it's just that when you say he mobilized people admirably, to which i agree he did a decent job - if it's under the pretense of terrible policy, all he's done is lead a lot of people to believe, well, shit. it's certainly no different than any other politician, but it falls just outside of admirable to me.
It's better shit than the rest of his party peddles.

[stupidtyonparad]

im just going to say that yes some people get carried away with the loose change/zietgest stuff but i personally believe a lot of it. and the person who talked about the guy whos collecting lost soals, thats pretty sad but maybe hes doing them some good at the same time. i mean he might be just prolonging their miserableness but he's probably not making it worse

while ron paul is no jesus, i think his policies are great. the economy is falling apart and people are going to be left with nothing to retire on in the future. also, global warming i think is pretty much a farse becuase the sun is getting hotter and all the planets are having climate change.

but come on? how are his ideas so bad? his main principle is to get the government out of people's hair and to limit the amount of shit they do. and, seeing bush was pardoned and ok to basically spy on the american public through wire tapping and what not wednesday, how are his ideas not relevant?

i mean, this is coming from a guy who believes september 11th, 2001 was bull shit and believes bildenberg is only out to make the rich richer but come on, if hes trying to get people money to live on when they retire and to make sure the government isnt kicking your ass every step of the way...wheres bad?

[SgtFumunda]

oh, don't get me wrong, i'm not trying to come down on zeitgeist or any of those documentaries... just the concept that i've seen others take - believing everything in those types of clips as the end-all truth, while looking down on people whose unquestioned truths happen to be bible-related. there's a lack of step 2 to many a process.
Uhhh...did you even listen to the opening quote on the Zeitgeist movie? It was an old man. Old people are wise. You're a fucking dumbass if you don't take everything said on that movie as gospel. People like you are what's ruining this country.

[TheZeroKid]

The bottom line is: if people want change to happen, then they need to start making the change with themselves. Not put all of their faith in some documentary or shady politician.

Thank You! Finally someone with some fucking sense! I have friends who are obbessed with Zeitgeist so much so that they burn copies and try to distribute it to people. They put so much faith into it that they're blind to any common sense any other way. I've yet to see the movie, but with the reaction I've seen with them, I don't think they want to. The same with Ron Paul. He attracts the people that really have no sense. It's this mass frenzy in this instant age of Youtube that keeps snowballing and once it does, more people are inclined to follow it blindly because they have nothing else to follow or the facts are obscured to them.

And Kucinich > Paul all the way.

Damn right.

[Neo Cassady]

This should / thread...

I have a friend, who recently lost his wife and everything he had to nasty, bitter divorce (she was fucking another dude, and called it off after 20 some years). Although politically moderate, this friend was emotionally "vulnerable" before the divorce, so when she kicked him, he bascically flew over the edge. This friend soon lost his job and proceeded to move in with a wealthy relative. He was entirely taken care of, no bills, no job, nothing. During this time, he spent most of his days online, indoctrinating himself with fringe right, Ron Paul-esque shit. He eventually met and befriended another Ron Paul whack-job, who even agreed to house my friend on his ranch in Montana in return for yard work/Ron Paul campaigning (sheep who earn their keep. what an idea!) This guy my friend met currently has about 15-20 "lost souls" living on his ranch, doing the exact same thing...

My point is, these fringe types are vocal. They're creative, persuasive and willing to do anything to convert you. They purposely prey on people who are vulnerable and weak-minded, giving them "a reason to go on" (My friend honestly thinks the world will end if Ron Paul doesn't get elected. I say who gives a shit? You're a broke, unemployed ranch hand. If it were me; the sooner the better)...

The funniest thing is, these fringe types also see things like organized government/religion as being cult-like. Really? And the Ron Paul fan club isn't?? Get with it people...

Being vulnerable following a crisis and getting roped into believing some whack-job is going to save us all...didn't this happen in Germany after WWI?

[oldwirehands]

Thank You! Finally someone with some fucking sense! I have friends who are obbessed with Zeitgeist so much so that they burn copies and try to distribute it to people. They put so much faith into it that they're blind to any common sense any other way. I've yet to see the movie, but with the reaction I've seen with them, I don't think they want to. The same with Ron Paul. He attracts the people that really have no sense. It's this mass frenzy in this instant age of Youtube that keeps snowballing and once it does, more people are inclined to follow it blindly because they have nothing else to follow or the facts are obscured to them.



Damn right.

Those YouTube videos are just propaganda. Its a good thing people are more interested in American and world politics but YouTube doesn't have any real answers. Talking about the problems never fixed anything. Its going to take radical political action to get results. The only person who's leading any type of movement right now is Ron Paul with his Campaign for Liberty. There are other groups but his is by far the largest. Its expected that 100,000 people will be in Minneapolis for his rally on September 2nd. I'm thinking about going. Mainly because I want to be apart of the RNC protests that will be happening the day before.

Being vulnerable following a crisis and getting roped into believing some whack-job is going to save us all...didn't this happen in Germany after WWI?

Could easily happen in America four years from now.

[timchoke]

I ran to be a delegate to the RNC, with the intention of voting for Paul there. I didn't win, but that's not really the point. Whenever people would ask me who I favored, I was always really hesitant to answer. Not because I wanted to dupe them into voting for me, but rather because of Ron Paul's supporters. To me, they are the GOP equivalent of Obama's supporters (I realize I will get all kinds of shit for this, but..) People who see a thing or two they like and latch on with a fervor normally reserved for deity. All this without really having much idea of why they believe what they do.

I love Ron Paul's policies. But these are platforms that I've had since I was 8 years old. It was just nice to have a candidate that was somewhat viable share my views.

[atainder]

The same sheep who watched Zeitgeist and became scared shitless of the future. Its a good thing it has driven people fearful of the future but people do desperate things when they're scared. Just like the people who support the war on terrorism and drugs. Fear tactics are used by all political parties now.

Zeitgeist has some really good points and truth to it... but it also had some faulty information.

I thought Zeitgeist was made better than most doc's of it's type.

[oldwirehands]

Zeitgeist has some really good points and truth to it... but it also had somef faulty information.

I thought Zeitgeist was made better than most doc's of it's type.

I honestly love Zeitgeist. It really opened my eyes to a lot of realities and pissed me off enough to get off my ass and stop being a piece of shit so to speak. I really liked Aaron Russo's America: Freedom to Fascism as well.

[oldwirehands]

I ran to be a delegate to the RNC, with the intention of voting for Paul there. I didn't win, but that's not really the point. Whenever people would ask me who I favored, I was always really hesitant to answer. Not because I wanted to dupe them into voting for me, but rather because of Ron Paul's supporters. To me, they are the GOP equivalent of Obama's supporters (I realize I will get all kinds of shit for this, but..) People who see a thing or two they like and latch on with a fervor normally reserved for deity. All this without really having much idea of why they believe what they do.

I love Ron Paul's policies. But these are platforms that I've had since I was 8 years old. It was just nice to have a candidate that was somewhat viable share my views.

I really agree with the Obama statement.

[MusicBox24]

I really agree with the Obama statement.

As do I. You nailed it.

[atainder]

I honestly love Zeitgeist. It really opened my eyes to a lot of realities and pissed me off enough to get off my ass and stop being a piece of shit so to speak. I really liked Aaron Russo's America: Freedom to Fascism as well.

I love it too. I guess I shouldn't have said "faulty" information, but more so it didn't delve into as much detail as it probably should have on some points. Overall, it was a really well done doc.

I've never seen Aaron Russo's America: Freedom to Fascism. I'll have to check it out.

[stupidtyonparad]

im a big fan of "endgame" by him

it kind of drags towards the end but its pretty good otherwise

[oldwirehands]

im a big fan of "endgame" by him

it kind of drags towards the end but its pretty good otherwise

I couldn't even watch the entire Endgame movie. Jones comes off too much as a crazy person.

[trindaddy]

It's the third coming of Timberwolf!

[BoxandJamaica]

what's worse - ron paul or his supporters?

They're both equally ignorant.

[EasySkankin]

hahaha this thread was sadly entertaining... why do they keep trying?