violence in iraq

[xnotedgex]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=1&u=/ap/20040331/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_9

so much for the violence in iraq being the actions of terrorists or ex-military members...i see civill war in iraq's future...how bout you

[yeat182]

The four contract workers for the U.S.-led coalition were killed in a rebel ambush of their SUVs in Fallujah

[xnotedgex]

The four contract workers for the U.S.-led coalition were killed in a rebel ambush of their SUVs in Fallujah

way to completely ignore the whole point of the article and pick out the one sentence in the entire article which supports your stance

[yeat182]

i thought the whole point of the article was that 4 civillians and 5 GI's were killed in rebel attacks...? am i wrong?

[xnotedgex]

i thought the whole point of the article was that 4 civillians and 5 GI's were killed in rebel attacks...? am i wrong?

yes you are wrong...the whole point of the article is the treatment of the bodies following their deaths, hence the title of the article:

"Iraqis Drag Four Corpses Through Streets"

i guess its easy to ignore when it doesnt match your views

[yeat182]

again, i don't see the point...the people dragging the bodies weren't the same people that killed them, so obviously you aren't trying to insinuate that regular average iraqis are killing americans, or are you?

[Alex Djaferis]

i hardly trust any news reports anymore....one can only realllllly know what its like if your actually there. As soon as someone transcribes his experiences...its obviously going to change from reality.

[xnotedgex]

again, i don't see the point...the people dragging the bodies weren't the same people that killed them, so obviously you aren't trying to insinuate that regular average iraqis are killing americans, or are you?

it seems so clear to me but i guess not so much to you...the article centers around the mutilation of the american corpses by residents...and, while the residents did not kill the americans, their hatred is enough to publicly humiliate the bodies of the dead workers

[yeat182]

i would agree, but you can't use the actions of these people and say that they represent all of the Iraqi's. first of all, this took place in the Sunni triangle, where the people are fiercely loyal to Saddam and his regime, and i've heard several reports stating that the Iraqis are ashamed and embarrased by what has happened. I would say these people are in the minority when it comes to Iraqi citizens. do they all love us, no, but i think few would do something as horrible as that.

not to mention these sort of things seem to be fairly typical of jihadism, remember on 9/11 the video of Palestinians dancing in the streets celebrating the death of thousands of innocent americans? you wouldn't want to paint all palestinians in that same light, so we shouldn't do it for the Iraqi's either.

[xnotedgex]

i would agree, but you can't use the actions of these people and say that they represent all of the Iraqi's. first of all, this took place in the Sunni triangle, where the people are fiercely loyal to Saddam and his regime, and i've heard several reports stating that the Iraqis are ashamed and embarrased by what has happened. I would say these people are in the minority when it comes to Iraqi citizens. do they all love us, no, but i think few would do something as horrible as that.

not to mention these sort of things seem to be fairly typical of jihadism, remember on 9/11 the video of Palestinians dancing in the streets celebrating the death of thousands of innocent americans? you wouldn't want to paint all palestinians in that same light, so we shouldn't do it for the Iraqi's either.

what reports have you heard saying iraqi's were ashamed?


and im not saying all iraqi are like that...i doubt even a majority strongly hate americans...i do think they all hate the fact that we are occupying their country...yes they may realize that it is necessary because of the unrest but they hate it and they hate it enough to do something like this...

the whole idea of trying to define who every insurgent is is ridiculous though...there are terrorists, there are sadaam loyalists, there are ex-military men, and there are normal citizens angered by the occupation...i posted this because of the previous arguments that those attacking americans in iraq were only terrorists and ex-military

[cantnokdahustle]

I in no way see civil war in the future. How could you because there is no major uprising at all? Almost all the attacks occur in a small portion of Iraq.

yeah thats definately an accurate barometer of non-pending civil war, how did ours start again? Oh yeah with small slave uprisings, and rebellions (not necessarily slave rebellion)

[Justin_stacy]

, how did ours start again? Oh yeah with small slave uprisings, and rebellions (not necessarily slave rebellion)

Are you talking about Nate Turner's uprising or the Murrel uprising? Because neither of those were direct cause of the Civil War....

[cantnokdahustle]

Turner more precisely, i agree that they were not directly attributable to our nations split, but they none the less were precursors, and that is obviously why we learn history, so we can look for trends and infer what could happen next. the cal kid saying that he in no way sees that happening is not looking very hard,as to use such disregard of the trend.

[Justin_stacy]

Turner more precisely, i agree that they were not directly attributable to our nations split, but they none the less were precursors, and that is obviously why we learn history,.

it was just one of a million things that, indirectly, lead to the war...the only reason i commented was, because you made it sound like this was the main reason for war, which it wasn't and on top of that it happen 30 prior to the war...

[Justin_stacy]

the cal kid saying that he in no way sees that happening is not looking very hard,as to use such disregard of the trend.
Well I agree with you here, civil war, unfortunately, is probably in the near future for Iraqi once we pull out, especially with all the interference from neighboring countries...

[yeat182]

what reports have you heard saying iraqi's were ashamed?

off the top of my head, I believe his name is Jim Engle? and he was reporting from baghdad last night on MSNBC, Keith Olberman's show, whatever that is called, i was just flipping through and caught it.



the whole idea of trying to define who every insurgent is is ridiculous though...there are terrorists, there are sadaam loyalists, there are ex-military men, and there are normal citizens angered by the occupation...i posted this because of the previous arguments that those attacking americans in iraq were only terrorists and ex-military

i understand what you are saying and i can agree with it for the most part, but i would classify anyone that attacks and kills innocent american/iraqis/allies, or soldiers as a terrorist. maybe not al-qaeda, but i think at the point in which they commit that attack their status changes...

[Alex Djaferis]

not to mention these sort of things seem to be fairly typical of jihadism, remember on 9/11 the video of Palestinians dancing in the streets celebrating the death of thousands of innocent americans? you wouldn't want to paint all palestinians in that same light, so we shouldn't do it for the Iraqi's either.

good point...those were a minority.

[xnotedgex]

i understand what you are saying and i can agree with it for the most part, but i would classify anyone that attacks and kills innocent american/iraqis/allies, or soldiers as a terrorist. maybe not al-qaeda, but i think at the point in which they commit that attack their status changes...

the label doesnt matter so much to me as the status of the person...someone who is actively involved in terrorist activities or an iraqi resident pissed off at the american occupiers who chooses to lash out...i don't think those attacking american soldiers can be classified as terrorists though...more like guerrila forces...american soldiers are their enemy, they're not innocent bystanders