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Sphyzex-9

06/26/08, 08:34 PM

Who would you vote for.

se1046

06/26/08, 08:46 PM

neither.

Thug_Nasty

06/26/08, 08:48 PM

ron paul

brknhrtdbritt

06/26/08, 09:48 PM

i hate jon mccain and everyone says barack is a terrorist so im with se1046..... neither

Throwback

06/26/08, 10:00 PM

i hate jon mccain and everyone says barack is a terrorist so im with se1046..... neither
How old are you?

Yeah, your opinions are irrelevant.

stupidtyonparad

06/26/08, 10:01 PM

neither. thug nasty, unfortunately dr paul withdrew from the race. but hey...www.campaignforliberty.com

brknhrtdbritt

06/26/08, 10:02 PM

How old are you?

Yeah, your opinions are irrelevant.

and your opinion was asked for...... when?

Nevuk

06/26/08, 10:38 PM

i hate jon mccain and everyone says barack is a terrorist so im with se1046..... neither
If by everyone, you mean your 5 islamophobic friends and high school social studies teachers, you are correct.

brknhrtdbritt

06/26/08, 10:43 PM

If by everyone, you mean your 5 islamophobic friends and high school social studies teachers, you are correct.

ya well... i guess...

saysmydoctor

06/27/08, 01:23 AM

i hate jon mccain and everyone says barack is a terrorist so im with se1046..... neither
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asmolitor

06/27/08, 02:27 AM

that's an incredible picture.

BrandNew20

06/27/08, 05:56 AM

obama.

thesecondplace

06/27/08, 03:34 PM

Bob Barr.

salmarnirecho

06/27/08, 03:49 PM

obama.

Machu505

06/27/08, 03:50 PM

i hate jon mccain and everyone says barack is a terrorist so im with se1046..... neither

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Machu505

06/27/08, 03:52 PM

Bob Barr.

Good lord, another 4 years of doing nothing good for the environment.

se1046

06/27/08, 05:18 PM

If by everyone, you mean your 5 islamophobic friends and high school social studies teachers, you are correct.

I guess that connection with Bill Ayers must help him look like a man of high character.

“I don't regret setting bombs; I feel we didn't do enough,” Ayers told the New York Times in 2001.

For those of you who didn't know Bill Ayers was part of a extreme radical anti-war terrorist group in the 60's - The Weather Underground. This group has claimed 25 bombings, including a bombing planned to kill army officers in New Jersey that wound up destroying a Greenwich Village townhouse. The above quote is his comment on this. Note the date.

It is also well known that Obama is supported by Ayers and has received political funding from him, which helped him start his political career.

Now while Obama himself may not be a terrorist, I'd say that people he chooses to align himself with either are or are outspoken in their hatred of america--Jeremiah Wright.

Of course most people will ignore the facts and vote for this guy anyway. The fact that he was voted more liberal than Bernie Sanders (an outspoken, self-claiming socialist) should have most people up in arms about Obama even being the democratic candidate.

Did I forget to mention he's related to both Bush and Cheney... They are in fact cousins.

shit stroll

06/27/08, 05:21 PM

I guess that connection with Bill Ayers must help him look like a man of high character.

“I don't regret setting bombs; I feel we didn't do enough,” Ayers told the New York Times in 2001.

For those of you who didn't know Bill Ayers was part of a extreme radical anti-war terrorist group in the 60's - The Weather Underground. This group has claimed 25 bombings, including a bombing planned to kill army officers in New Jersey that wound up destroying a Greenwich Village townhouse. The above quote is his comment on this. Note the date.

It is also well known that Obama is supported by Ayers and has received political funding from him, which helped him start his political career.

Now while Obama himself may not be a terrorist, I'd say that people he chooses to align himself with either are or are outspoken in their hatred of america--Jeremiah Wright.

Of course most people will ignore the facts and vote for this guy anyway. The fact that he was voted more liberal than Bernie Sanders (an outspoken, self-claiming socialist) should have most people up in arms about Obama even being the democratic candidate.

Did I forget to mention he's related to both Bush and Cheney... They are in fact cousins.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Dan1234

06/27/08, 05:26 PM

i'm voting for my homeboy Obama, shit yeah

rob_mylo

06/27/08, 05:30 PM

Obama will most likely win. especially now that hillary and him are buddy buddy everyone will follow. well the democrats that is.
whoever votes for McCain must really love the way are country is going at the moment.

se1046

06/27/08, 05:54 PM

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

what's so funny?

open mind

06/27/08, 05:56 PM

I guess that connection with Bill Ayers must help him look like a man of high character.

“I don't regret setting bombs; I feel we didn't do enough,” Ayers told the New York Times in 2001.

For those of you who didn't know Bill Ayers was part of a extreme radical anti-war terrorist group in the 60's - The Weather Underground. This group has claimed 25 bombings, including a bombing planned to kill army officers in New Jersey that wound up destroying a Greenwich Village townhouse. The above quote is his comment on this. Note the date.

It is also well known that Obama is supported by Ayers and has received political funding from him, which helped him start his political career.

Now while Obama himself may not be a terrorist, I'd say that people he chooses to align himself with either are or are outspoken in their hatred of america--Jeremiah Wright.

Of course most people will ignore the facts and vote for this guy anyway. The fact that he was voted more liberal than Bernie Sanders (an outspoken, self-claiming socialist) should have most people up in arms about Obama even being the democratic candidate.

Did I forget to mention he's related to both Bush and Cheney... They are in fact cousins.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-0418edit3apr18,0,7443216.story
obama recieved a 200 dollar campaign contribution from the guy........don't try to play it like it was some huge deal integral to starting obama's political career.
where exactly on the bush and cheney family tree is obama located?

brentkid

06/27/08, 05:59 PM

The country is desperate to vote Democratic.

shit stroll

06/27/08, 05:59 PM

what's so funny?
guess that connection with Bill Ayers must help him look like a man of high character.

“I don't regret setting bombs; I feel we didn't do enough,” Ayers told the New York Times in 2001.

For those of you who didn't know Bill Ayers was part of a extreme radical anti-war terrorist group in the 60's - The Weather Underground. This group has claimed 25 bombings, including a bombing planned to kill army officers in New Jersey that wound up destroying a Greenwich Village townhouse. The above quote is his comment on this. Note the date.

It is also well known that Obama is supported by Ayers and has received political funding from him, which helped him start his political career.

Now while Obama himself may not be a terrorist, I'd say that people he chooses to align himself with either are or are outspoken in their hatred of america--Jeremiah Wright.

Of course most people will ignore the facts and vote for this guy anyway. The fact that he was voted more liberal than Bernie Sanders (an outspoken, self-claiming socialist) should have most people up in arms about Obama even being the democratic candidate.

Did I forget to mention he's related to both Bush and Cheney... They are in fact cousins.

se1046

06/27/08, 05:59 PM

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-0418edit3apr18,0,7443216.story
obama recieved a 200 dollar campaign contribution from the guy........don't try to play it like it was some huge deal integral to starting obama's political career.
where exactly on the bush and cheney family tree is obama located?

http://www.nypost.com/seven/10172007/news/regionalnews/dissing_cousins__obama__cheney.htm

se1046

06/27/08, 06:00 PM

guess that connection with Bill Ayers must help him look like a man of high character.

“I don't regret setting bombs; I feel we didn't do enough,” Ayers told the New York Times in 2001.

For those of you who didn't know Bill Ayers was part of a extreme radical anti-war terrorist group in the 60's - The Weather Underground. This group has claimed 25 bombings, including a bombing planned to kill army officers in New Jersey that wound up destroying a Greenwich Village townhouse. The above quote is his comment on this. Note the date.

It is also well known that Obama is supported by Ayers and has received political funding from him, which helped him start his political career.

Now while Obama himself may not be a terrorist, I'd say that people he chooses to align himself with either are or are outspoken in their hatred of america--Jeremiah Wright.

Of course most people will ignore the facts and vote for this guy anyway. The fact that he was voted more liberal than Bernie Sanders (an outspoken, self-claiming socialist) should have most people up in arms about Obama even being the democratic candidate.

Did I forget to mention he's related to both Bush and Cheney... They are in fact cousins.

What's so funny?

open mind

06/27/08, 06:03 PM

http://www.nypost.com/seven/10172007/news/regionalnews/dissing_cousins__obama__cheney.htm

haha..........so being 8th or 11th cousins makes them family?
i'm pretty sure that in most states you can marry your 3rd or 4th cousin without violating incest laws.

Machu505

06/27/08, 06:06 PM

What's so funny?

You make it seem like this dude is practically Obama's best friend.

shit stroll

06/27/08, 06:12 PM

Machu505

06/27/08, 06:12 PM

Jeremiah Wright > Ronald Reagan

Machu505

06/27/08, 06:14 PM

that whole entire post was hilarious

1. obama is not the most liberal united states senator. there is no way he is more liberal than someone like russ feingold.

2. obama is not a socialist. if you think that, you're a fucking idiot.

3. you have no evidence that suggests rev. wright hates america.

Se is going to come back and say "Well he said 'God damn America'!", which in context, wasn't very anti-American at all.

shit stroll

06/27/08, 06:19 PM

it's pretty hypercritical for a Ronald Reagan admirer to be speaking out against terrorism.

RememberFminus2

06/27/08, 06:22 PM

ron paul is an idiot, john mccain would be a horrendous choice. obama isnt great but no president really was at least he won't have an agenda as terrible as the republican party.

Machu505

06/27/08, 06:24 PM

ron paul is an idiot, john mccain would be a horrendous choice. obama isnt great but no president really was at least he won't have an agenda as terrible as the republican party.

Lincoln?

RememberFminus2

06/27/08, 06:29 PM

Lincoln?

I was talking about more recent, but anyways lincolns views on african americans and slavery in general can always be debated. so who knows.

matt_bergeron

06/27/08, 06:30 PM

Did I forget to mention he's related to both Bush and Cheney... They are in fact cousins.

yea well....http://alumni.indiana.edu/about/fun/images/IU-Bacon-chart_full.jpg

minnddd fuuuckkkkk

Machu505

06/27/08, 06:33 PM

I was talking about more recent, but anyways lincolns views on african americans and slavery in general can always be debated. so who knows.

Okey dokey.

saysmydoctor

06/27/08, 07:10 PM

I guess that connection with Bill Ayers must help him look like a man of high character.

“I don't regret setting bombs; I feel we didn't do enough,” Ayers told the New York Times in 2001.

For those of you who didn't know Bill Ayers was part of a extreme radical anti-war terrorist group in the 60's - The Weather Underground. This group has claimed 25 bombings, including a bombing planned to kill army officers in New Jersey that wound up destroying a Greenwich Village townhouse. The above quote is his comment on this. Note the date.

It is also well known that Obama is supported by Ayers and has received political funding from him, which helped him start his political career.

Now while Obama himself may not be a terrorist, I'd say that people he chooses to align himself with either are or are outspoken in their hatred of america--Jeremiah Wright.

Of course most people will ignore the facts and vote for this guy anyway. The fact that he was voted more liberal than Bernie Sanders (an outspoken, self-claiming socialist) should have most people up in arms about Obama even being the democratic candidate.

Did I forget to mention he's related to both Bush and Cheney... They are in fact cousins.
http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l265/begintheending/misc/33604680lt6.jpg

se1046

06/27/08, 07:53 PM

that entire post was hilarious

1. obama is not the most liberal united states senator. there is no way he is more liberal than someone like russ feingold.

2. obama is not a socialist. if you think that, you're a fucking idiot.

3. you have no evidence that suggests rev. wright hates america.

1. http://www.npr.org/blogs/news/2008/01/obama_ranked_most_liberal_sena_1.ht ml

2. look at his policies. universal healthcare is very much socialist.

3. yeah and oprah is a christian...

se1046

06/27/08, 07:53 PM

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l265/begintheending/misc/33604680lt6.jpg

That's cute. I definitely expected that from you because you're incapable of thinking for yourself and then making points on the topic at hand.

saysmydoctor

06/27/08, 08:09 PM

That's cute, I actually am, but I'm just totally appalled by the stupidity that has ravaged this forum as of late. I mean you are a huge portion of it. So of course, you don't see it. I bet you are one of those fucknuts who believes in that MABUS bs.

saysmydoctor

06/27/08, 08:11 PM

And he doesn't advocate a pure universal healthcare plan you fucking uneducated dolt.

concernedparent

06/27/08, 08:52 PM

i hate jon mccain and everyone says barack is a terrorist so im with se1046..... neither
"Everyone says Obama is a terrorist"...great logic!

Justin_stacy

06/27/08, 09:03 PM

Lincoln?

suspending Habeas corpus? ordering Grant to target southern civilians? spending money without the authorization of congress?.....not to mention his less then glamorous veiws on blacks.

Who does tha sound like today?

oldwirehands

06/27/08, 09:03 PM

neither.

Yep.

Justin_stacy

06/27/08, 09:05 PM

Yep.

concur

06/27/08, 09:06 PM

1.
3. yeah and oprah is a christian...

So, instead of giving evidence to my point, I can just pull a "Yeah, and ____ is a _____"

06/27/08, 09:06 PM

I haven't decided who I'm voting for, I'm leaning towards Obama as of right now.

oldwirehands

06/27/08, 09:24 PM

I haven't decided who I'm voting for, I'm leaning towards Obama as of right now.

Why join the cool kids when you could be a rebel and vote for an Independent. Thats the real cool thing to do. Don't you want to be cool?

Nevuk

06/27/08, 11:38 PM

suspending Habeas corpus? ordering Grant to target southern civilians? spending money without the authorization of congress?.....not to mention his less then glamorous veiws on blacks.

Who does tha sound like today?
Was the Civil War even necessary? I really don't think it was.

salmarnirecho

06/28/08, 09:19 AM

I was talking about more recent, but anyways lincolns views on african americans and slavery in general can always be debated. so who knows.

it's not really about how he felt, or what he thought of the blacks, it's what he did that made him great.

salmarnirecho

06/28/08, 09:35 AM

I guess that connection with Bill Ayers must help him look like a man of high character.

“I don't regret setting bombs; I feel we didn't do enough,” Ayers told the New York Times in 2001.

For those of you who didn't know Bill Ayers was part of a extreme radical anti-war terrorist group in the 60's - The Weather Underground. This group has claimed 25 bombings, including a bombing planned to kill army officers in New Jersey that wound up destroying a Greenwich Village townhouse. The above quote is his comment on this. Note the date.

It is also well known that Obama is supported by Ayers and has received political funding from him, which helped him start his political career.

Now while Obama himself may not be a terrorist, I'd say that people he chooses to align himself with either are or are outspoken in their hatred of america--Jeremiah Wright.

Of course most people will ignore the facts and vote for this guy anyway. The fact that he was voted more liberal than Bernie Sanders (an outspoken, self-claiming socialist) should have most people up in arms about Obama even being the democratic candidate.

Did I forget to mention he's related to both Bush and Cheney... They are in fact cousins.

seriously? wow.
if somebody voted for a guy who received $200 from a radical anti-war man and who is also ELEVENTH COUSINS (they could practically be brothers) with the current piss poor administration, how in the hell could that person live with themselves?

but in all seriousness, you're post was a waste of my time.

RememberFminus2

06/28/08, 10:01 AM

it's not really about how he felt, or what he thought of the blacks, it's what he did that made him great.

not in my book. if you are a racist asshole and are politically motivated to do something good, then i still think your a fuckin asshole

Machu505

06/28/08, 10:10 AM

1. http://www.npr.org/blogs/news/2008/01/obama_ranked_most_liberal_sena_1.ht ml
Who cares?
2. look at his policies. universal healthcare is very much socialist. I hear they have televisions in Cuba too. Does that make television socialist? Healthcare is a human right.
3. yeah and oprah is a christian... What the Hell does that even mean?
suspending Habeas corpus? ordering Grant to target southern civilians? spending money without the authorization of congress?.....not to mention his less then glamorous veiws on blacks.

Who does tha sound like today?
I stand corrected.

But "Lincoln > every other president" still stands.

loveisdead

06/28/08, 10:39 AM

Who cares?
I hear they have televisions in Cuba too. Does that make television socialist? Healthcare is a human right.

That should be the end all be all of the healthcare argument. It is absolutely a human right.

salmarnirecho

06/28/08, 11:16 AM

That should be the end all be all of the healthcare argument. It is absolutely a human right.

Agreed.

salmarnirecho

06/28/08, 11:18 AM

not in my book. if you are a racist asshole and are politically motivated to do something good, then i still think your a fuckin asshole

As a person, yes. You are still a fucking asshole. But as a president, no matter whether you're an asshole or not, if you do something good despite your beliefs, you may not be a great man, but you can still be a great president.

handlikesecret

06/28/08, 12:54 PM

John McCain...because his name is John. kind of like me.

wesgemm08

06/28/08, 01:42 PM

Barack, unless he chooses a VP candidate that I can't stand.

micahistheballs

06/28/08, 01:42 PM

John McCain...because his name is John. kind of like me.
Valid reason.

handlikesecret

06/28/08, 01:44 PM

Valid reason.
i thought so too. this is all hypothetical of course seeing as though i can't vote. :shrug:

micahistheballs

06/28/08, 01:49 PM

i thought so too. this is all hypothetical of course seeing as though i can't vote. :shrug:
Same. I miss it by one month.

Magnus

06/28/08, 02:25 PM

Nader

am I doing it right?

saysmydoctor

06/28/08, 04:36 PM

John McCain...because his name is John. kind of like me.
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y257/tx_eggman/wheel-stfu.jpg

handlikesecret

06/28/08, 05:59 PM

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y257/tx_eggman/wheel-stfu.jpg
:rotfl:

excellent picture.

WakeUpBlondie

06/28/08, 06:05 PM

McCain. Obama does not have the experience

saysmydoctor

06/28/08, 06:56 PM

Actually, I've read several articles where they say that State Senates are much more involved than Congress. Try again.

Machu505

06/28/08, 07:12 PM

McCain. Obama does not have the experience

Bush/Cheney '08?

se1046

06/28/08, 07:35 PM

Bush/Cheney '08?

How about a root canal?

06/28/08, 07:41 PM

Barack, unless he chooses a VP candidate that I can't stand.

I really think McCain's Vice President choice will be a big factor in the elections, at least much more important than Obama's.

se1046

06/28/08, 07:48 PM

I really think McCain's Vice President choice will be a big factor in the elections, at least much more important than Obama's.

I don't know who he could possibly get that's going to make an overwhelmingly good enough to sway the vote especially after the reputation Bush has given the Republican party.

06/28/08, 08:09 PM

I don't know who he could possibly get that's going to make an overwhelmingly good enough to sway the vote especially after the reputation Bush has given the Republican party.

I believe a lot of voters will wonder, if he dies in office, who will take over? Depending on who he picks, whether liberal or conservative, he needs to be careful to pick someone that falls inbetween and not too far on either side to avoid losing the Independent vote.

ActionActionFan

06/28/08, 08:14 PM

Bob Barr

ActionActionFan

06/28/08, 08:17 PM

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-0418edit3apr18,0,7443216.story
obama recieved a 200 dollar campaign contribution from the guy........don't try to play it like it was some huge deal integral to starting obama's political career.
where exactly on the bush and cheney family tree is obama located?

Actually he is a huge deal. He held Obama's first fund raiser when Obama entered politics.

x togepi x

06/28/08, 08:55 PM

i'm sure one can find plenty of shady people that donated to mccain.

se1046

06/28/08, 09:36 PM

Actually he is a huge deal. He held Obama's first fund raiser when Obama entered politics.

Yep. It's true.

se1046

06/28/08, 09:46 PM

i'm sure one can find plenty of shady people that donated to mccain.

So that means we should overlook the known terrorists that back obama?

se1046

06/28/08, 09:48 PM

I believe a lot of voters will wonder, if he dies in office, who will take over? Depending on who he picks, whether liberal or conservative, he needs to be careful to pick someone that falls inbetween and not too far on either side to avoid losing the Independent vote.

I think most people are fed up with the Republican party. I don't think he can pick a real winner.

x togepi x

06/28/08, 09:49 PM

So that means we should overlook the known terrorists that back obama?

we overlook the known terrorists that back McCain.

06/28/08, 09:54 PM

So that means we should overlook the known terrorists that back obama?

Do you believe Obama is a terrorist or has ties with terrorism?

handlikesecret

06/28/08, 11:32 PM

Same. I miss it by one month.
haha three years. :shrug:

saysmydoctor

06/29/08, 12:06 AM

Thank god!

handlikesecret

06/29/08, 01:13 PM

Thank god!
:-p

Neo Cassady

06/29/08, 02:37 PM

Healthcare is a human right.

/debate

boykosaurus

07/01/08, 03:02 PM

Bob Dole or Kucinich as of now.

Yes I'm serious.

oldwirehands

07/01/08, 03:20 PM

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jul/01/barackobama.uselections2008

Obama and McCain are basically the same in my eyes now.

Just vote for Jesse "The Body" Ventura.

oldwirehands

07/01/08, 03:21 PM

Bob Dole or Kucinich as of now.

Yes I'm serious.

Kucinich is the man! The man everyone ignores unfortunately.

boykosaurus

07/01/08, 03:28 PM

Kucinich is the man! The man everyone ignores unfortunately.

I never understood why he never gets far, aside from UFO comments, he's not that bad.

open mind

07/01/08, 07:04 PM

I never understood why he never gets far, aside from UFO comments, he's not that bad.

he doesn't look how people want politicians to look and he doesn't have or attract big money, that right there is plenty enough to explain it.

Mitch

07/01/08, 07:05 PM

McCain. Obama is a Muslim, which means he is a terrorist.

saysmydoctor

07/01/08, 07:09 PM

Don't forget the fist jabs and lack of lapel pin.

Actually, my parents and I got into an argument where I dismissed McCain's service in the whatever service. They said it should be constitutionally required that you serve in the military before you become president. My argument was that the President doesn't directly overrule the military, the different -COMs rule combat forces and the JCS handles policy. He just nominates a fucking general. Then I said, "And if we are going to make his service valid, then why should we take him seriously? He knows the outcome of a useless war, he should know better to stay in one. I can't take his experience seriously if he doesn't apply it modernly."

The car was quiet. I win.

megajon

07/02/08, 11:46 AM

McCain. Obama is a Muslim, which means he is a terrorist.

Obama is christian?

alchemistandi

07/02/08, 12:17 PM

McCain. Obama does not have the experience

lincoln served a single term in the house before becoming president....
both the roosevelt's and woodrow wilson never served in congress and were governors for only short periods of time before being elected as president....
two of the presidents with some of the most experience since the 1900s: george w bush and richard nixon
i'm not saying mccain is the next nixon or bush, but my point is this whole argument of experience is really short-sighted and rather baseless. It only sounds like rhetoric from fox news.
vote based on intelligence and how your views correlate with those of the candidates.

Mercy Medical

07/02/08, 01:28 PM

lincoln served a single term in the house before becoming president....
both the roosevelt's and woodrow wilson never served in congress and were governors for only short periods of time before being elected as president....
two of the presidents with some of the most experience since the 1900s: george w bush and richard nixon
i'm not saying mccain is the next nixon or bush, but my point is this whole argument of experience is really short-sighted and rather baseless. It only sounds like rhetoric from fox news.
vote based on intelligence and how your views correlate with those of the candidates.
:appl:

Love As Arson

07/02/08, 04:11 PM

With all the right turns Obama has been making, I'm not certain how liberals can support him.

shit stroll

07/02/08, 04:16 PM

^ agreed. liberals should've been skeptical of obama along time ago.

HashHolly

07/02/08, 07:13 PM

McCain. Obama does not have the experience

George W Bush had experience too!

Jesse00

07/02/08, 07:29 PM

x togepi x

07/02/08, 07:40 PM

With all the right turns Obama has been making, I'm not certain how liberals can support him.

go to dailykos. every fucking blog entry now is basically "compromise is the most important thing"

aolsux

07/02/08, 10:31 PM

I kind of wish Obama was a Muslim, so we could have someone who knows what the hell is going on in the middle east through a religious base standpoint. But calling into question someone's religious background or current religion(s) is bullshit to begin with. Faith is personal. How one chooses to or not to practice does not belong in a political argument and just furthers away from actual problems.

With McCain, for someone who was fucked around with in a prison camp for x number of years, he sure does like war. The man dances around issues like crazy.

Experience means nothing. McCain has been in politics since the stone age and Obama is a new kid on the block. No one has the experience necessary to run a country.

I feel Obama sincerely wants to lead America, not just force down ideals like most candidates. Bridging the gap between liberal and conservative, democrat and republican, needs to be priority one. In the past, I saw myself getting worked up over people's flawed opinions (in my opinion) - but really working together instead of setting up the battle lines every time a new issue comes along, that's truly what we need.

aolsux

07/02/08, 10:34 PM

Kucinich is the man! The man everyone ignores unfortunately.
YES! A fellow Kucinich supporter. He was my candidate to begin with, someone who shares many of the same ideologies with myself.

Love As Arson

07/02/08, 10:34 PM

aolsux

07/02/08, 10:37 PM

The fact that being a Muslim is a slur is evidence of the accepted racism in the process. What's more, an American Muslim would see the world in a much different lens than those in the Middle East, since the religious traditions that have manifested are influenced by the social conditions of the region.
the fact that many people still see Obama as a black man instead of a man is evidence that racism will never end

it's quite sad actually

&IllBeTheReason

07/08/08, 02:41 PM

hm, they both look like clueless douchebags to me. but mccain seems to be the better choice for the economy depending on who he chooses as vice. cough recession cough.

&IllBeTheReason

07/08/08, 02:51 PM

Was the Civil War even necessary? I really don't think it was.

holy shit, are you kidding me?

Machu505

07/08/08, 02:55 PM

hm, they both look like clueless douchebags to me. but mccain seems to be the better choice for the economy depending on who he chooses as vice. cough recession cough.

You cannot be serious. 4 more years of this bullshit is not something the American people can handle.

&IllBeTheReason

07/08/08, 02:56 PM

I don't know who he could possibly get that's going to make an overwhelmingly good enough to sway the vote especially after the reputation Bush has given the Republican party.

Mccains choice for VP is alot more critical then you would think, when youre looking at the state of the economy. Alot of areas are suffering alot, so if mccain could pick someone people trusted to get money flowing again, it could most definitly win him the presidency.

&IllBeTheReason

07/08/08, 02:59 PM

You cannot be serious. 4 more years of this bullshit is not something the American people can handle.
I agree with you to an extent. Republicans have given americans a few bad years, and they wont get over that easily, but it really isn't fair to label all republicans as money hungry assholes. Even though most of them are. (i am an open minded democrat)

Nevuk

07/08/08, 07:09 PM

Mccains choice for VP is alot more critical then you would think, when youre looking at the state of the economy. Alot of areas are suffering alot, so if mccain could pick someone people trusted to get money flowing again, it could most definitly win him the presidency.
I thought McCain's choice was critical because he might die soon?

nfggc10

07/08/08, 09:41 PM

hm, they both look like clueless douchebags to me. but mccain seems to be the better choice for the economy depending on who he chooses as vice. cough recession cough.McCain admitted during one of the debates that he really didn't understand the economy.

WTG

07/08/08, 09:46 PM

McCain, all the way

wesgemm08

07/08/08, 09:57 PM

I thought McCain's choice was critical because he might die soon?

Haha beat me to it

alchemistandi

07/08/08, 10:22 PM

hm, they both look like clueless douchebags to me. but mccain seems to be the better choice for the economy depending on who he chooses as vice. cough recession cough.

i really hope you aren't that stupid...

annaboun

07/09/08, 02:28 AM

obama

mellzie14

07/09/08, 06:03 AM

Obama. He just seems like the better candidate in all respects. I'm so sick of what Fox is trying to do to him. The fact that people are taking it seriously is sickening.

MyNameIsRoss

07/12/08, 10:47 AM

Obama really is a great canidate. Especially considering our current foreign relations.

saysmydoctor

07/12/08, 12:59 PM

hm, they both look like clueless douchebags to me. but mccain seems to be the better choice for the economy depending on who he chooses as vice. cough recession cough.
I understand what you are going for. Bush also fucked up the economy, so you are voting for consistency; therefore, McCain is your candidate. He would further fuck up the economy.

The only problem is, you will eventually be able to vote and we can't legally kill you.

se1046

07/12/08, 12:59 PM

Obama really is a great canidate. Especially considering our current foreign relations.

Obama is a great candidate if you want a guy that wants to make the government have complete control over your life. Then again... so is McCain.

MyNameIsRoss

07/12/08, 01:41 PM

Obama is a great candidate if you want a guy that wants to make the government have complete control over your life. Then again... so is McCain.

You are misinformed, and ignorant on the policies of Obama.

shit stroll

07/12/08, 02:09 PM

Obama is a great candidate if you want a guy that wants to make the government have complete control over your life. Then again... so is McCain.
you're a fucking moron.

Nevuk

07/12/08, 02:19 PM

you're a fucking moron.
While I wouldn't call it complete control, both of them voted for FISA.

shit stroll

07/12/08, 02:30 PM

While I wouldn't call it complete control, both of them voted for FISA.
I'm pretty sure se1046 was was referring to obama's economic/healthcare platform as "complete government control".

oldwirehands

07/12/08, 03:07 PM

Well, Obama and McCain both support the Patriot Act and H.R. 1955. which take away constitutional rights. Thats not my cup of tea. Sorry.

shit stroll

07/12/08, 03:12 PM

it's not mine either. but this dude thinks that obama is a socialist because he advocates a universal healthcare system (which he doesn't).

saysmydoctor

07/12/08, 06:51 PM

I don't understand how socialism equals complete government control. More like support.

shit stroll

07/12/08, 06:55 PM

i don't see why/how people think it's a good idea to give unlimited power to the private sector.

concernedparent

07/12/08, 07:40 PM

it's not mine either. but this dude thinks that obama is a socialist because he advocates a universal healthcare system (which he doesn't).
Could you please link me to a statement of his saying he doesn't support universal health care?

shit stroll

07/12/08, 07:53 PM

Could you please link me to a statement of his saying he doesn't support universal health care?
his plan is to basically lower healthcare prices, and to make the plan that congress has more affordable for the average american. we will still be at the mercy of the insurance companies and many people will still not be able to afford healthcare. the only democratic presidential candidate that supported a universal, not for profit, healthcare plan was dennis kucinch.

saysmydoctor

07/12/08, 08:18 PM

his plan is to basically lower healthcare prices, and to make the plan that congress has more affordable for the average american. we will still be at the mercy of the insurance companies and many people will still not be able to afford healthcare. the only democratic presidential candidate that supported a universal, not for profit, healthcare plan was dennis kucinch.
Obama is not the perfect candidate, by any stretch. But, it's one of those, he is the only candidate. And now he is pushing faith-based initiatives and I'm wondering if I've donated too much money.

shit stroll

07/12/08, 08:49 PM

se1046

07/12/08, 11:58 PM

yeah, i agree with you to an extent. i'm not not an obama supporter, but i will vote for him.

It is a fact that Obama in 2007 voted 65/66 times for liberal policies. That's greater than the self proclaimed socialist, Bernie Sanders. This is just recent that Obama is moving toward the right... if you want to call it that. The funny part is you can't honestly pull out anything against what I've said about Obama being the most liberal democrat and wanting socialist policies put in place. I'm all for privatized healthcare, privatized military.... The government has no right to tell me how to spend my money, who to spend it on. It has no right to be involved in businesses. The capitalistic market is capable of running on it's own. It brings about competition. There is no reason why it cannot be successful without the government placing more laws on the business. You may not agree with me, but there are plenty of people that do. The bottom line is, I'm not an idiot. You can't respond with anything but insults because you aren't informed enough on either topic to be able to make anything but the trendy choice set by the majority of this misinformed board.

x togepi x

07/13/08, 01:15 AM

capitalism is capable of running on its own. that's the problem with it.

x togepi x

07/13/08, 01:16 AM

Obama is not the perfect candidate, by any stretch. But, it's one of those, he is the only candidate. And now he is pushing faith-based initiatives and I'm wondering if I've donated too much money.

his faith based initiatives are different than bush's and i mean, i don't see a problem with pushing liberal chrisitianity. sure, i think the religion is wrong, but if liberal christianity is going to bring good changes, then i'm all for it.

shit stroll

07/13/08, 09:26 AM

It is a fact that Obama in 2007 voted 65/66 times for liberal policies. That's greater than the self proclaimed socialist, Bernie Sanders. This is just recent that Obama is moving toward the right... if you want to call it that. The funny part is you can't honestly pull out anything against what I've said about Obama being the most liberal democrat and wanting socialist policies put in place. I'm all for privatized healthcare, privatized military.... The government has no right to tell me how to spend my money, who to spend it on. It has no right to be involved in businesses. The capitalistic market is capable of running on it's own. It brings about competition. There is no reason why it cannot be successful without the government placing more laws on the business. You may not agree with me, but there are plenty of people that do. The bottom line is, I'm not an idiot. You can't respond with anything but insults because you aren't informed enough on either topic to be able to make anything but the trendy choice set by the majority of this misinformed board.
lololol, you still haven't proved that obama is a socialist, and you still haven't proved that his policies = total government control. look at his healthcare plan, not socialist. look at his economic plan, not socialist. even if he is a socialist, that doesn't mean he is for "total government control". you have to have a balance of power, you cannot give unchecked power to the private sector, just as you can't give unchecked power to the state. pure free market capitalism is just as bad as authoritarian state "communism". and the system of economics you support is directly responsible for the system of economics you despise.

i just think you're confusing modern day progressive liberalism with authoritarian state communism. not advocating a 100% free market, regulating industry, and supporting a universal healthcare system, doesn't make someone a socialist or communist.

shit stroll

07/13/08, 09:31 AM

"I believe that America's free market has been the engine of America's great progress. It's created a prosperity that is the envy of the world. It's led to a standard of living unmatched in history. And it has provided great rewards to the innovators and risk-takers who have made America a beacon for science, and technology, and discovery…We are all in this together. From CEOs to shareholders, from financiers to factory workers, we all have a stake in each other's success because the more Americans prosper, the more America prospers.”

spoken like a true socialist ;-)

Love As Arson

07/13/08, 09:47 AM

One cannot be a socialist and also function as a part of the exploitative ruling class. As for competition, this does not exist in an oligopoly, which is logical conclusion of the free-market.

saysmydoctor

07/13/08, 10:43 AM

*crying stars*

07/13/08, 10:56 AM

The fact that electing Obama as president would put the US in better standing with the rest of the world should be something to consider.

look at his economic plan, not socialist. even if he is a socialist, that doesn't mean he is for "total government control". you have to have a balance of power, you cannot give unchecked power to the private sector, just as you can't give unchecked power to the state. pure free market capitalism is just as bad as authoritarian state "communism". and the system of economics you support is directly responsible for the system of economics you despise.

Exactly. There is no fucking way that the market system today can be left alone without any sort of government control; it would fall apart.

Wildness774

07/13/08, 04:47 PM

yeah theres no way i would ever vote for obama
i mean its really crazy how liberal he is when it comes to policies
im voting for mccain for sure

salmarnirecho

07/13/08, 05:00 PM

anamericangod

07/13/08, 05:04 PM

yeah theres no way i would ever vote for obama
i mean its really crazy how liberal he is when it comes to policies
im voting for mccain for sure

You're right, Obama is just so far left it blows my mind. Totally crazy man, totally crazy.

x togepi x

07/13/08, 05:04 PM

yeah theres no way i would ever vote for obama
i mean its really crazy how liberal he is when it comes to policies
im voting for mccain for sure

joke account!

shit stroll

07/13/08, 07:14 PM

It is a fact that Obama in 2007 voted 65/66 times for liberal policies. That's greater than the self proclaimed socialist, Bernie Sanders. This is just recent that Obama is moving toward the right... if you want to call it that. The funny part is you can't honestly pull out anything against what I've said about Obama being the most liberal democrat and wanting socialist policies put in place. I'm all for privatized healthcare, privatized military.... The government has no right to tell me how to spend my money, who to spend it on. It has no right to be involved in businesses. The capitalistic market is capable of running on it's own. It brings about competition. There is no reason why it cannot be successful without the government placing more laws on the business. You may not agree with me, but there are plenty of people that do. The bottom line is, I'm not an idiot. You can't respond with anything but insults because you aren't informed enough on either topic to be able to make anything but the trendy choice set by the majority of this misinformed board.
also, obama is not "the most liberal united states senator". you are off your fucking rocker if you think that obama is more liberal than somebody like russ feingold. even if he is the most liberal u.s. senator, he would still be a conservative b/c he is an advocate of capitalism, privatized health care, and he voted for the patriot act and funding of the Iraq war 100% of the time (among other things).

i could give two shits if you're for privatized health care, education and military. but to say that someone is for "total government control" because they hold opposite views on these issues is ludicrous. if you don't like the public education system, no one is stopping you from sending your kids to a private school. if you like your current health care plan, you will have the option of keeping it.

saysmydoctor

07/13/08, 09:52 PM

Why are you for privatized healthcare?
Because he is a fucking retarded.

TheZeroKid

07/13/08, 10:06 PM

I'm voting for Barack, I ain't gonna lie. There isn't one canidate out there who's 100% with me in terms of stances on political views (maybe Dennis Kucinich...but come on, who are we kidding?) but in terms of Obama vs. McCain, I'm definatly for Obama. Hell, I'd probably vote for the John McCain of several years ago, when he was more moderate. Earlier in this race, I used to think that McCain was trying to appeal to all the right-wingers just so he can get elected and then revert back to his good ol', Daily Show interviewed, moderate self. But the more he went more right, the more that whole situations seemed unlikely. But yeah, I'm for Obama on this one. He's, for the most part, the guy I trust and agree with the most.

shit stroll

07/14/08, 01:21 AM

it is astounding that a so called christian can be against basic human rights/necessities like health care and education.

splitsecond

07/14/08, 01:44 AM

well, this thread brings the lol.

07/14/08, 02:05 AM

It is a fact that Obama in 2007 voted 65/66 times for liberal policies. That's greater than the self proclaimed socialist, Bernie Sanders. This is just recent that Obama is moving toward the right... if you want to call it that. The funny part is you can't honestly pull out anything against what I've said about Obama being the most liberal democrat and wanting socialist policies put in place. I'm all for privatized healthcare, privatized military.... The government has no right to tell me how to spend my money, who to spend it on. It has no right to be involved in businesses. The capitalistic market is capable of running on it's own. It brings about competition. There is no reason why it cannot be successful without the government placing more laws on the business. You may not agree with me, but there are plenty of people that do. The bottom line is, I'm not an idiot. You can't respond with anything but insults because you aren't informed enough on either topic to be able to make anything but the trendy choice set by the majority of this misinformed board.

I have seen the votes he has made, and I do not have a problem with the majority of them.
The fact you label me misinformed, as well as the majority of this board, is ridiculous. Some may be misinformed, but just because we don't agree with you, does not mean we are idiots either.

it is astounding that a so called christian can be against basic human rights/necessities like health care and education.

Since when does Christianity encourage either of those things?
And why pull the religion card? It's such a cheap trick.

shit stroll

07/14/08, 02:19 AM

i think jesus had a pretty egalitarian message. i don't think that he would approve of a society where only the wealthy have access to heath care and education

stayforawhile

07/14/08, 12:56 PM

John McCain

Getup and Dance

07/14/08, 01:12 PM

Since I still have four years left in the Army Reserves and I don't believe in Obama's quick exit ouf Iraq Policy, I am leaning towards McCain.

loveisdead

07/14/08, 06:29 PM

Since I still have four years left in the Army Reserves and I don't believe in Obama's quick exit ouf Iraq Policy, I am leaning towards McCain.
His exit strategy is becoming less and less quick.

salmarnirecho

07/14/08, 08:18 PM

I have seen the votes he has made, and I do not have a problem with the majority of them.
The fact you label me misinformed, as well as the majority of this board, is ridiculous. Some may be misinformed, but just because we don't agree with you, does not mean we are idiots either.

Since when does Christianity encourage either of those things?
And why pull the religion card? It's such a cheap trick.

I don't think it's a cheap trick. He is a self-proclaimed Christian, so is he not contradicting himself by supporting the denial of a basic human right to 50 million American citizens?

Just _Me

07/22/08, 12:46 PM

Just _Me

07/22/08, 12:58 PM

http://www.eyeblast.tv/Public/Video.aspx?rsrcID=2036

I'm not a huge fan of either of the presidential candidates.. But I just found this to be interesting..

thursday727

07/22/08, 01:04 PM

McCain is an idiot.
"I'm a Federalist , i believe in state rights"
"things are going good on the Iraqi - Pakistan Border"

Just _Me

07/22/08, 01:06 PM

McCain is an idiot.
"I'm a Federalist , i believe in state rights"
"things are going good on the Iraqi - Pakistan Border"
So you think we should pull out of Iraq?

thursday727

07/22/08, 01:15 PM

So you think we should pull out of Iraq?
Not right away , we need to make damn sure the Iraqi goverment is ready not to be babysitted by us anymore.

shit stroll

07/22/08, 01:17 PM

So you think we should pull out of Iraq?
yes.

Just _Me

07/22/08, 01:34 PM

Not right away , we need to make damn sure the Iraqi goverment is ready not to be babysitted by us anymore.
Exactly but that takes time to fix..
I don't see how people want us to pull out right now, as is. That would be letting all the men and women that have died, die in vain..

Just _Me

07/22/08, 01:39 PM

yes.
Why? I think Americans are impatient which is a shame because if we do pull out now any good that we have done would be wasted..

saysmydoctor

07/22/08, 03:18 PM

Exactly but that takes time to fix..
I don't see how people want us to pull out right now, as is. That would be letting all the men and women that have died, die in vain..
Because people are smarter than you.

The Iraqis don't like us. It has nothing to do with us being Americans, it has everything to do with we aren't muslim and yet we are interfering in their affairs. They didn't mind the removal of Saddam Hussein so much as they didn't like the occupying of their nation. Hence why the vast majority of terrorists are home grown and are not nearly as many foreign fighters the government would like you to believe.

Now, I will never say we should hand it over to the UN or some NGO. UN has already proven untrustworthy with handling Iraq. I find NGOs useless. I think we should leave it to the people of Iraq themselves. We give them their reparations and we stay out of their politics. We give them their money back and release our control of their oil fields. The oil fields were supposed to support an allegedly post-war boisterous economy. Instead, US companies got the no-bid contracts, shocker.

This is all followed abruptly by removing the CENTCOM operations out of Qatar. We pull out of bases in Saudi Araba. We simply get out of the Middle East. Staying their fuels the fire and gives Osama Bin Laden another weapon in his PR war against the US.

loveisdead

07/22/08, 03:23 PM

Why? I think Americans are impatient which is a shame because if we do pull out now any good that we have done would be wasted..
What good have we done? We've created a complete shit show without any plan to fix it. Along with that, it's made the rest of the world hate us even more than they already did.

Just _Me

07/22/08, 08:11 PM

First of all I think it's ignorant of you to even have the audacity to say anything about my intelligence. You know nothing about me and plus I never said I thought we should stay in forever. I said we shouldn't leave at this very moment. I also never said I agreed with going in there in the first place, but since we did and we are in Iraq I think we should make sure that Iraq is stable before falling out.
America is known all over the world for never finishing anything.. This is just another example..
You have good points I suppose and I respect that..

Just _Me

07/22/08, 08:15 PM

The removal of Saddam, the ratification of a new constitution, and the holding of parliamentary elections?...
I agree this war doesn't make us look very good, but are reputation has been a little shaky for a while..

BoxandJamaica

07/22/08, 09:46 PM

Nader

am I doing it right?

No... He's been screwing elections up for the Democrats for years. Vote with intelligence!

BoxandJamaica

07/22/08, 09:49 PM

Just _Me

07/23/08, 12:09 AM

Give me five examples of what we're doing to "stabilize Iraq." The press has covered news on the actual topic of stabilizing Iraq, but has shown no evidence of the actual role we've played.
I think the removal of Saddam, the ratification of a new constitution, and the holding of parliamentary elections, we have contributed in making security forces, these are a start.. We are already in Iraq so I think the focus shouldn't be on if it was right to go in, it should be about what we are going to do so that we can leave.
I think it's hilarious when Obama talks about getting us out of Iraq if he gets in office because it will take awhile for him to even get it passed through and to take our troops out.. We will actually never be completely out of Iraq, we will always have military bases. Just like we do in many other places..

saysmydoctor

07/23/08, 10:35 AM

I think the removal of Saddam, the ratification of a new constitution, and the holding of parliamentary elections, we have contributed in making security forces, these are a start.. We are already in Iraq so I think the focus shouldn't be on if it was right to go in, it should be about what we are going to do so that we can leave.
I think it's hilarious when Obama talks about getting us out of Iraq if he gets in office because it will take awhile for him to even get it passed through and to take our troops out.. We will actually never be completely out of Iraq, we will always have military bases. Just like we do in many other places..
Wrong on both accounts. Those aren't starts at all. The constitution doesn't fairly encompass the three peoples, the Security Forces are riddled with terrorists. We need to leave.

And he doesn't to pass anything. He is Commander in Chief, therefore he can move US troops at his own will. Hence why he was able to deploy into Liberia, etc. Also, that's the problem.

BoxandJamaica

07/23/08, 06:48 PM

1. I think the removal of Saddam,

2. the ratification of a new constitution, and

3. the holding of parliamentary elections

If I recall correctly, I said five examples... not three. And the ratification of a new constitution doesn't automatically establish a great country. Neither do elections. Take our past two elections for example; some people in this country just waste their votes and I'm sure people in Iraq do too.

Mitch

07/23/08, 07:10 PM

Two men who stepped on an elevator after watching Fox News (which was playing on the TV).

Man 1: "Obama is pushing for a Palestinian state, it's gonna be ugly...Dumb man is going to make it all ugly"
Man 2: "Can't say I disagree with that"

MyWorldEntire

07/23/08, 07:31 PM

This thread is making me lose faith in the average American's intelligence.

mynameishunter

07/26/08, 05:19 AM

John McCain although I don't like him too much either. I just like him more than Obama.

nikaidoh

07/26/08, 10:20 AM

Woah woah woah, you mean Bush didn't have his Coup d'état yet? Damn it, then I've been locked in my bomb shelter the past 3 weeks for nothing.

saysmydoctor

07/26/08, 12:08 PM

John McCain although I don't like him too much either. I just like him more than Obama.
You like Bush?

Marty_s

07/28/08, 08:53 AM

That should be the end all be all of the healthcare argument. It is absolutely a human right.

i agree that health care is a human right. but Universal Health Care is a very poor choice. Yes conservative european parties support it and much of europe is universal health care but all i've heard is horror stories. the hospitals are trashy, it takes ages just to get in. what we have right now for health care is fine. it's not perfect and i don't really like it but it's definitely better than universal.

tait

07/28/08, 09:12 AM

This thread is making me lose faith in the average American's intelligence.
it was lost a while ago

ska4life07

07/28/08, 09:56 AM

Excuse my language, but they can Both suck it.

ska4life07

07/28/08, 09:58 AM

Who is the lesser of two evils? Oh $%$* it. Mr. Rogers!

John JD Dorian

07/28/08, 11:31 PM

i hate jon mccain and everyone says barack is a terrorist so im with se1046..... neither

everyone says?

oh no!!! let me see if i can recast my primary vote.

John JD Dorian

07/28/08, 11:33 PM

what's so funny?

you, my friend, are an ignorant ass.

MarchofFlames

07/28/08, 11:35 PM

i think im going to vote for Locke

AsItFallsApart

07/28/08, 11:37 PM

Stewart/Colbert

in all honesty i wanna see some running partners before i decide fully

ska4life07

07/31/08, 07:34 AM

A terrorist?

percussionguita

07/31/08, 03:52 PM

I believe the two most important factors in this race will be the debates and their running mates. I'm still waiting for both of these to happen.

fishguts182

07/31/08, 10:38 PM

I believe the two most important factors in this race will be the debates and their running mates. I'm still waiting for both of these to happen.

same here

DannySniper

08/01/08, 01:04 AM

http://www.mufunyo.net/stfu/stfu33.jpg

She's hot...

...BAR-RACK-ATT-ACK! BAR-RACK-ATT-ACK! BAR-RACK-ATT-ACK!

But I'm not allowed to vote, anyway

madam1888

08/01/08, 02:36 AM

I don't know who he could possibly get that's going to make an overwhelmingly good enough to sway the vote especially after the reputation Bush has given the Republican party.

Bobby Jindal.

fuller

08/01/08, 10:42 AM

i agree that health care is a human right. but Universal Health Care is a very poor choice. Yes conservative european parties support it and much of europe is universal health care but all i've heard is horror stories. the hospitals are trashy, it takes ages just to get in. what we have right now for health care is fine. it's not perfect and i don't really like it but it's definitely better than universal.

This is simply untrue. We're ranked 42nd in the world in terms of health care. GMAFB.

chaosB4storm

08/01/08, 11:27 AM

neither.

This is so much better than an uninformed person voting on something they really have no idea about. People should not criticize people that choose not to vote.

anamericangod

08/01/08, 11:50 AM

This is so much better than an uninformed person voting on something they really have no idea about. People should not criticize people that choose not to vote.

Maybe we should criticize people who are uninformed.

chaosB4storm

08/01/08, 11:56 AM

Maybe we should criticize people who are uninformed.

Agreed.

chaosB4storm

08/01/08, 11:57 AM

But trying to make uninformed person vote is not the solution. I agree that people should be informed.

loveisdead

08/01/08, 02:31 PM

But trying to make uninformed person vote is not the solution. I agree that people should be informed.

Then provide the uninformed person with information on where they can obtain information about the candidates' policies and stances. Unless there is no candidate that comes close to resembling a voter's beliefs, then everyone should vote.

chaosB4storm

08/01/08, 10:08 PM

Then provide the uninformed person with information on where they can obtain information about the candidates' policies and stances. Unless there is no candidate that comes close to resembling a voter's beliefs, then everyone should vote.

It is impossible to force education on individual. The fact is that about half of people vote (in Canada anyway it is almost exactly 50%). If I meet one of those people, and I am not about to educate him on all of the different political platforms, I tell him that I'm glad he doesn't vote since he doesn't know much.

I wish everyone was well-informed, but I would rather have an uninformed person not vote than vote.

Maybe it's different in the United States (actually it probably is), but generally in Canada people don't seem to care.

chaosB4storm

08/01/08, 10:10 PM

I just absolutely hate it when someone says "I'm voting for X", and I say "Oh, why's that?", and they don't have an educated answer. It's terrible.

cscwell107

08/01/08, 10:48 PM

McCain

Sabbytage

08/02/08, 12:30 AM

Barack I'llbombya all the way baby. (the name was a joke, but I support him 150%)

loveisdead

08/02/08, 06:12 PM

It is impossible to force education on individual. The fact is that about half of people vote (in Canada anyway it is almost exactly 50%). If I meet one of those people, and I am not about to educate him on all of the different political platforms, I tell him that I'm glad he doesn't vote since he doesn't know much.

I wish everyone was well-informed, but I would rather have an uninformed person not vote than vote.

Maybe it's different in the United States (actually it probably is), but generally in Canada people don't seem to care.

I said provide them with a place where they could educate themselves. A website, a news program or a magazine. I never said to sit there and lecture people on our candidates' platforms. Just to provide them with a source where they could teach themselves.

Wildness774

08/02/08, 09:43 PM

Im goin with mcdaddy on this one

AlternateToLife

08/03/08, 09:09 AM

It'd have to be Obama. I'm just against so many things McCain says.

theonlypostman

08/03/08, 01:31 PM

At this point I have no idea. I do know I will not vote for Obama. He seems to be all over the place depending on who he is talking to and he is promising us the world. I don't take kindly to that. It is like in saved by the bell when Zack promised extended study hall...the president does not have the power to do as much as people would think...not to say he is not important...but our government is set up in a way where there isn't one man that runs everything....this is why I think it is unfair to blame one man for all of our problems...there is plenty of blame to go around and it doesn't stop at Bush...it goes all the people in Washington that sit on their asses arguing about crap instead of getting stuff done...

Now McCain...I don't know if I could vote for him or not....I like his firey attitude and I do not think he would be Bush part 2 like many Obama supporters seem to think...but he also has not done a good job in laying out what he would do to imrpove things...so its tough...

the debates i think will be the time i finally come to a decision...its either going to be mccain or a 3rd party candidate for me...

wow this was long...sorry about that....

x togepi x

08/03/08, 01:56 PM

Now McCain...I don't know if I could vote for him or not....I like his firey attitude and I do not think he would be Bush part 2 like many Obama supporters seem to think...but he also has not done a good job in laying out what he would do to imrpove things...so its tough...
.

By "firey" attitude do you mean, you like his race baiting?

Oh, and by the way, look at McCain's voting record when Bush was in office, that's why people are saying he'll be Bush pt 2. I don't like Obama, but if your argument against Obama is "he's all over the place", then you have to admit this applies to McCain way more.

theonlypostman

08/03/08, 02:19 PM

it does not apply to McCain more...that is simply not true...but it does apply to him. He has been all over place on certain issue.

This is why I am not sold on McCain...but Obama is the one that constantly brings race into this race. we are all Americans..yes its great the an African American has made this far and it gives hope to others in the future, but it does not have to be talked about as often as it is.

The fact that Obama focuses on his own race so often is yet another reason I can not vote for him...who the hell cares if you are black, white, asian american, mexican american, or whatever...if you have solutions to the problem this country is facing then you shouldn't have to constantly keep reminding the whole world that you are of that respective race...

Back to McCain's record, I can see what you are saying I guess...but look at Obama's record since he has been in the senate...he has not taken a single real stance on anything and often votes simply "present" when something comes up to vote...it makes it easier to be all over the place if you do that I suppose

x togepi x

08/03/08, 02:40 PM

it does not apply to McCain more...that is simply not true...but it does apply to him. He has been all over place on certain issue.

The only things McCain hasn't flip flopped on are the things he probably should be flip flopping on.

This is why I am not sold on McCain...but Obama is the one that constantly brings race into this race. we are all Americans..yes its great the an African American has made this far and it gives hope to others in the future, but it does not have to be talked about as often as it is.

Obama's the one running campaign ads that say he doesn't resemble the other presidents on the dollar bills. Oh wait, that's a McCain ad. Yeah Obama's the one running ads calling himself the messiah, which is southern slang for "uppity", oh wait, that's McCain again.

The only time Obama "brought race into this race" was when he made that speech on racial issues a few months ago, which he was forced to because of how the democratic primary was going.

but why is Obama "bringing race into this" a reason to not vote for him? Unlike McCain, Obama doesn't have the advantage of white privilege. I'd say bringing race into this campaign is pretty legit when you're running against a politican who's consistently voted against equal rights legislation.

The fact that Obama focuses on his own race so often is yet another reason I can not vote for him...who the hell cares if you are black, white, asian american, mexican american, or whatever...if you have solutions to the problem this country is facing then you shouldn't have to constantly keep reminding the whole world that you are of that respective race...

show me where Obama's making speeches about his blackness, because I've only heard one, and it wasn't a "poor me, i'm black vote Obama" one.

stop race baiting. the only reason you're accusing him of doing these things is because he's half black. if you actually paid attention, most of the people bringing up his race are people who are attacking him.

Back to McCain's record, I can see what you are saying I guess...but look at Obama's record since he has been in the senate...he has not taken a single real stance on anything and often votes simply "present" when something comes up to vote...it makes it easier to be all over the place if you do that I suppose

I'd rather have someone who "hasn't taken a stance on anything" than someone who's stance is Bush's stance.

theonlypostman

08/03/08, 02:55 PM

wow...ok you are completely over reacting to what I was trying to say...are you sure you aren't an Obama supporter? I am not agreeing with McCain on everything..but anytime his campaign has put out a ad about race it has been in response to something Obama has said...

again...I do not know if I can, in clear concious, vote for McCain. But I sure as hell can't vote for someone who is going to completely screw over our economy more so then it already is and someone the has no clue or real solution when it comes to our problems that our current administration(AND THE CONGRESS THAT VOTED FOR IT!!!) got us into...

our government is screwed up...that is all i know...

and race has no place in this race for the presidency...nobody should base their vote on whether i man is white or black...and sadly there are many whites and blacks that are doing that this year and I do believe both candidates are to blame for this...

i wrote this somewhere else...but here are the reason I will not vote Obama

1. The #1 reason, and this would apply to any candidate, is his lack of record. This is not an experience issue it is a record issue. More often then not he either doesn't vote or votes "Present". No choice or bill is perfect, but when a politican can't come down on simple issues on a state legislature level, what is to give one confidence that they not only will MAKE a decision, but make the correct one on more complex global issues?

2. Race. Yes I said it, but not the way you think. I have NEVER heard JMac, MR or any other serious Repulican bring race into the equation. The only one who has injected it were WJC and BHO. On two occasions BHO has said that the Republicans will try to scare voters based on race, most recently saying that "He doesn't look like all the other presidents on the dollar bill". What is up with that? The only one who cares what color he is, apparently is him. That may be and is effective in Chicago but not as a world leader.

3. The War. The only decision we have to judge him on is his stance on the war. Based on that stance, he has poor judgement. The surge and its tactics worked, Iraq is a much better place. Now he wants to put a larger footprint in Afghanastan, but would that be wise? The Soviets, not to mention the English, have shown that more troops doesn't mean more stability in that country. A change of tactics is more important then an increase of personell.

4. Profit. I am all about profit. America is great b/c of our ability to pursue profit. If I go to work, do really well and earn more money that is NOT a bad thing. If a company provides a good or service, who is the government to tell them they can't make a profit? Can the phrase "Obscene Profit" be defined? There is no answer for "How much is too much" b/c Person A who makes less then Person B will think that Person B is "Rich".

5. Taxes. To put it simply, liberals often ask people who make a lot of money "How much is too much". Yet they never seem to answer the same question when it comes to taxes. How much IS too much for someone to pay in taxes? Not dollar amount but percentage of income. Why do high achievers have to pay more and get punished? Read Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand for more details

6. America is GREAT. Obama talks about America's greatness in the past tense and HOPE for it in the future tense. I happen to think America is great NOW! We are the sole superpower and have yet to nuke a country out of existence. We send more aid to other countries then any other country in HISTORY! And that is just our private citizens. Say what you will about the last 8 years, but we are at FULL EMPLOYMENT (economists agree that anything around 4 - 5% is full employment) interst rates are incredibly low (Mortgages are still around 6%) the stock market is high. We are not in a recession and the only reason we are having slow growth is b/c of peoples lack of personal responsibility with their PERSONAL finances.

7. Health Insurance. Until he learns the difference between health care and health insurance, there is no reason to debate the issue. As a primer everyone has health care not everyone has or needs health insurance. In fact, those that have health INSURANCE have to pay for the health CARE of those who don't have health insurance!!! And why should I have to pay for the health insurance of the person across the street from me?

8. Energy. We have the resources why not use them? Drill in Alaska, Drill off Shore, use American resources to fuel American industry. Use nuclear energy, use clean coal. We did not create the world and we can't destroy it. Of course as an added bonus we can do it in a way that will keep things like we found them. We would HELP the environment if we drilll off shore b/c of the natural oil and gas seepage that occur in nature. FACT: The amount of seepage produced by an off shore rig is LESS then the naturally occuring seepage from the same reserve. The US has NEVER had anyone killed in a nuclear power plant accident. These plants are up to 30 years old and still chugging along. Does anyone still use anything 30 years old? There have been improvements that make them even SAFER and more efficient.

9. Role of Government. It is my belief that the government is not responsible for finding me not just a job but a "Good" job. Can somone define "good'? Nor is it responsible for my health insurance OR care. It is not responsible for my retirement. It is not responsible to care for ANY of its citizens from the cradle to the grave. A safety net, sure. A way of life, no. And it HAS become that way from too many.

10. Wife. I just think McCains' wife is hotter!! PLUS she runs a brewery!! That is a hard combo to beat....

that last one is a joke...so laugh...please...she is really not that hot...

x togepi x

08/03/08, 03:24 PM

wow...ok you are completely over reacting to what I was trying to say...are you sure you aren't an Obama supporter?

no, i'm just not an idiot. and i really hate mccain.

again...I do not know if I can, in clear concious, vote for McCain. But I sure as hell can't vote for someone who is going to completely screw over our economy more so then it already is and someone the has no clue or real solution when it comes to our problems that our current administration(AND THE CONGRESS THAT VOTED FOR IT!!!) got us into...

how exactly is obama going to "completely screw over our economy"? it's the policies of the right wing, which mccain is going to carry though that's doing that.

1. The #1 reason, and this would apply to any candidate, is his lack of record. This is not an experience issue it is a record issue. More often then not he either doesn't vote or votes "Present". No choice or bill is perfect, but when a politican can't come down on simple issues on a state legislature level, what is to give one confidence that they not only will MAKE a decision, but make the correct one on more complex global issues?

This is funny, because earlier you say "our whole government's SCREWED UP, it's not just bush's fault but all of congress", yet you expect someone to have taken part in "screwed up congress" long enough to have a record?

you'd rather vote for someone who's recent record is horrible? Yeah, we know what McCain stands for: torture, needless wars, screwing over the poor. That's awesome!

2. Race. Yes I said it, but not the way you think. I have NEVER heard JMac, MR or any other serious Repulican bring race into the equation. The only one who has injected it were WJC and BHO. On two occasions BHO has said that the Republicans will try to scare voters based on race, most recently saying that "He doesn't look like all the other presidents on the dollar bill". What is up with that? The only one who cares what color he is, apparently is him. That may be and is effective in Chicago but not as a world leader.

Uh...this is what's happening. You're ignoring the fact that the McCain campaign has always been campaigning on code words, like the messiah ad I brought up (which, uh, wasn't prompted by anything Obama said that was racial)

but, if race doesn't matter to you, why are you making it matter? Him bringing up the fact that he's black (actually he's biracial, so i'd think if he was bringing race up that he'd at least get it right, but i'm using your assertion here) has nothing to do with whether or not he'd be a decent president. How does it? Show me how this effects his status as a "world leader", because all i see is yet another BS reason.

3. The War. The only decision we have to judge him on is his stance on the war. Based on that stance, he has poor judgement. The surge and its tactics worked, Iraq is a much better place. Now he wants to put a larger footprint in Afghanastan, but would that be wise? The Soviets, not to mention the English, have shown that more troops doesn't mean more stability in that country. A change of tactics is more important then an increase of personell.

Everything you've said here is factually incorrect, and it contradicts itself. if we want to get into a debate about Iraq, we can, but that'd be digressing.

4. Profit. I am all about profit. America is great b/c of our ability to pursue profit. If I go to work, do really well and earn more money that is NOT a bad thing. If a company provides a good or service, who is the government to tell them they can't make a profit? Can the phrase "Obscene Profit" be defined? There is no answer for "How much is too much" b/c Person A who makes less then Person B will think that Person B is "Rich".

This absolutely makes no sense.

5. Taxes. To put it simply, liberals often ask people who make a lot of money "How much is too much". Yet they never seem to answer the same question when it comes to taxes. How much IS too much for someone to pay in taxes? Not dollar amount but percentage of income. Why do high achievers have to pay more and get punished? Read Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand for more details

Atlas Shrugged was a pile of shit and so is this conservative BS. I'd rather abide by the standard "From each acording to their ability, to each according to their need" than listen to someone who glorifies rape, like Rand does.

Rich people pay more taxes because they can afford to. When you have a million dollars, it's a lot easier to give up a bigger percentage of your income than when you're only making 10 grand a year.

6. America is GREAT. Obama talks about America's greatness in the past tense and HOPE for it in the future tense. I happen to think America is great NOW! We are the sole superpower and have yet to nuke a country out of existence. We send more aid to other countries then any other country in HISTORY! And that is just our private citizens. Say what you will about the last 8 years, but we are at FULL EMPLOYMENT (economists agree that anything around 4 - 5% is full employment) interst rates are incredibly low (Mortgages are still around 6%) the stock market is high. We are not in a recession and the only reason we are having slow growth is b/c of peoples lack of personal responsibility with their PERSONAL finances.

tell this to a poor person or someone who's job has been outsourced.

7. Health Insurance. Until he learns the difference between health care and health insurance, there is no reason to debate the issue. As a primer everyone has health care not everyone has or needs health insurance. In fact, those that have health INSURANCE have to pay for the health CARE of those who don't have health insurance!!! And why should I have to pay for the health insurance of the person across the street from me?

you know, this point would make sense, if getting a job that offered good health insurance was easy, but it's not.

8. Energy. We have the resources why not use them? Drill in Alaska, Drill off Shore, use American resources to fuel American industry

because anyone who isn't a tool of the oil companies is going to tell you that, in the amount of time it will take to actualy drill in these places, we'll probably have more environmentally sustainable modes of transportation. it will take many, many years before drilling will pay off. during those years we'll still have high gas prices, high gas prices fuel interest in new technologies, and these new technologies will render the resources we'd get from drilling to be pointless.

the solution isn't DRILL MORE, it's USE LESS.

Use nuclear energy, use clean coal.

clean coal doesn't exist, nuclear energy isn't safe, nor is it sustainable in the long term.

We did not create the world and we can't destroy it.

we can make it unlivable, which is basically what we're doing.

We would HELP the environment if we drilll off shore b/c of the natural oil and gas seepage that occur in nature.

we hurt the enviornment in the long term because looking for more sources for oil is a bad idea, as it keeps us from moving on to newer resources. we've already begun to realize that oil is going to "run out", we need to be working on getting something else before China and India really get online with their energy usage.

The US has NEVER had anyone killed in a nuclear power plant accident. These plants are up to 30 years old and still chugging along. Does anyone still use anything 30 years old? There have been improvements that make them even SAFER and more efficient.

horrible logic: the past is not a predictor of what happens in the future. one minor slip up, and we see a big disaster, plus you're forgetting the fact that nuclear power plants produce tons of waste that's unsafe, as well as the fact that they aren't sustainable in the long term.

9. Role of Government. It is my belief that the government is not responsible for finding me not just a job but a "Good" job. Can somone define "good'? Nor is it responsible for my health insurance OR care. It is not responsible for my retirement. It is not responsible to care for ANY of its citizens from the cradle to the grave. A safety net, sure. A way of life, no. And it HAS become that way from too many.

Role of government: I always thought the government didn't exist to torture foreigners, deprive me of my rights, or dick over the poor. I guess you're cool with that though.

saysmydoctor

08/03/08, 03:28 PM

Someone inform this guy we've lost nearly 500,000 jobs since January and employment is at a 4 year low and economists are saying it's only going to get worse.

x togepi x

08/03/08, 03:31 PM

Someone inform this guy we've lost nearly 500,000 jobs since January and employment is at a 4 year low and economists are saying it's only going to get worse.

midway through i realized that half of what i was saying was going to be lost on him anyway so i kind of just gave up.

saysmydoctor

08/03/08, 03:53 PM

I read clean coal and America is Great and lol'd heavily.

ska4life07

08/04/08, 05:59 AM

this guy is in denial because we ARE going in a recession if not in one already. Just look at the numbers.

saysmydoctor

08/04/08, 08:15 AM

The numbers actually say we aren't in a recession. 1st and 2nd quarter numbers show marginal growth, but growth nonetheless.

ska4life07

08/04/08, 08:44 AM

I have been watching several comapnies and DOW in general for awhile. After full emplyment is reached where else is there to go? nowhere but down. It's a contnuous circle right? Peak, recession, trough, and recovery. Unemployment has been on the rise and tax rates are higher. If those are not signs then so be it, but thats what I got out of it. I was never very good at economics so maybe I need to be enlightened.

doubletrue

08/05/08, 01:10 PM

i wouldnt vote for either. but with a gun to my head....i'd take the bullet.

chronomic

08/05/08, 01:27 PM

i think everyone on this site has already agreed that mccain is the best choice.

Tito Jr.

08/07/08, 09:01 PM

3. The War. The only decision we have to judge him on is his stance on the war. Based on that stance, he has poor judgement. The surge and its tactics worked, Iraq is a much better place. Gg. You lose. Please, insert coin(s) to play again.

GiggsOho

08/07/08, 09:27 PM

6. America is GREAT. Obama talks about America's greatness in the past tense and HOPE for it in the future tense. I happen to think America is great NOW! We are the sole superpower and have yet to nuke a country out of existence. We send more aid to other countries then any other country in HISTORY! And that is just our private citizens. Say what you will about the last 8 years, but we are at FULL EMPLOYMENT (economists agree that anything around 4 - 5% is full employment) interst rates are incredibly low (Mortgages are still around 6%) the stock market is high. We are not in a recession and the only reason we are having slow growth is b/c of peoples lack of personal responsibility with their PERSONAL finances.

See: G8 and WWII.

Then please never post in this forum again.

GiggsOho

08/07/08, 10:07 PM

http://store01.prostores.com/digitalgravel/catalog/tshirt_nopemccainwhtrope_complete.j pg

concernedparent

08/08/08, 12:24 AM

This thread is sad. This thread is sad because it goes something like this

"Well Obama wants us to blank blank blank"
"Actually, Obama's policies aren't like this"
"Well he definitely supports blank blank blank!"
"mostly!"

As in, no one seems to know anything for certain about any candidates.

asmolitor

08/08/08, 01:41 AM

this guy is in denial because we ARE going in a recession if not in one already. Just look at the numbers.
The numbers actually say we aren't in a recession. 1st and 2nd quarter numbers show marginal growth, but growth nonetheless.

numbers change.

normally i'd agree with non-recession tone from a textbook standpoint, if given that the "current numbers" remain static. however, 2007 Q4 GDP was revised down to a -0.2% growth, signaling the first quarter of contraction. given that the 2008 Q2 GDP was a fairly robust 1.9% given the economic climate (and well, stimuli), i'd like to see by the time 2008 Q3 GDP comes out, that 2008 Q1 GDP gets revised down to another quarter of contraction. if the GDP for 2008 Q3 breaks 2%, hopefully the newsmedia can take it as "ok, we had our recession, time for growth" but it's more or less wishful thinking.

I have been watching several comapnies and DOW in general for awhile. After full emplyment is reached where else is there to go? nowhere but down. It's a contnuous circle right? Peak, recession, trough, and recovery. Unemployment has been on the rise and tax rates are higher. If those are not signs then so be it, but thats what I got out of it. I was never very good at economics so maybe I need to be enlightened.

i don't really want to just flat out say "no," but... no. and full employment doesn't mean a 0% unemployment rate. in fact, full employment being "reached" is sort of rhetorical thought, in that it's always reached, essentially. full employment hovers anywhere around a margin of error around the natural rate of unemployment (about 5%). so actually, it could go in either direction.

Say what you will about the last 8 years, but we are at FULL EMPLOYMENT (economists agree that anything around 4 - 5% is full employment)

see, this dummy sort of understands. however, considering the nation is pretty much ALWAYS at full employment (allowing for frictional/structural unemployment) the point, like so many others of his, is moot. gauging economic performance on an ever-present level literally means nothing.

but to get back to the task at hand, allow if you will, a chart-based visualization.

unemployment rate (1998-present): http://data.bls.gov/PDQ/servlet/SurveyOutputServlet?data_tool=lates t_numbers&series_id=LNS14000000

Dow Jones, NASDAQ, S&P 500 (1998-present): http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=^DJI#chart3:symbol=^dji;r ange=19980101,20080807;compare=^ixi c+^gspc;indicator=volume;charttype= line;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues=0;logs cale=on;source=undefined

if you've been "watching several comapnies and DOW in general for awhile" you'd realize that the overall market is actually fairly strong, all things considered. we're approaching 2003 levels of unemployment rates (2003 peak - 6.3%, july 2008 - 5.7%), and yet the overall market is still up over 57% since the official "trough" around 2003. so really, the market doesn't correlate to unemployment. from september 2001 to july 2005, the unemployment rate never dipped below 5%. in fact, the dow jones average on 9/01 and 6/03 is virtually level, even though the unemployment rate jumped from 5% to 6.3% during that time. and from 6/03 to 7/05, when the unemployment rate returned to the previous mark of 5%, the dow jones only gained about 1500 points, a 16% index increase. so essentially, the market is fairly erratic is you try to tie it to the unemployment rate. (same with inflation - there was a huge spike in the CPI in mid-2005 and the market ignored it.)

i'm too lazy to get anything on tax rates, but i'm assuming clinton had his fair share of taxes levied on the public while presiding over some pretty nice growth.

annieee

08/12/08, 12:42 PM

McCain.

08/12/08, 12:56 PM

i wouldnt vote for either. but with a gun to my head....i'd take the bullet.

STFU and just say you wouldn't vote for either.

chaosB4storm

08/12/08, 02:32 PM

STFU and just say you wouldn't vote for either.

I thought what he said was pretty funny, actually.

08/12/08, 02:57 PM

I thought what he said was pretty funny, actually.

I don't know, that phrase just annoys me.

doubletrue

08/12/08, 03:00 PM

STFU and just say you wouldn't vote for either.

i did. SEE: previous sentence

tait

08/12/08, 07:05 PM

so i haven't really been paying attention to the whole presidential race thing but i have two questions that i thought would be best asked here haha.

1) why do people call obama a terrorist?

2) how can people support this?
PdJUCU1UH2w

08/12/08, 08:53 PM

The 100 years thing is way overblown.

08/12/08, 08:54 PM

i did. SEE: previous sentence

I meant just say you would vote for neither. That whole "If I had a gun to my head" is annoying to me because I've heard that shit so many times. Sorry if I overreacted.

Nowisnotthetime

08/12/08, 10:21 PM

Ralph Nader and here's why:

http://www.votenader.org/issues/

Rudie2tone

08/14/08, 01:07 AM

OBAMA FTW!
Not that I really care
I'm Canadian so it doesn't really affect me
But if Obama did win, the Canadian troops would come home along with the American ones so that's a good thing
But there aren't many Canadian troops that are part of the war so like I said it doesn't really matter
Also you don't get drafted in Canada, you go on your own free will so it's alright if they stay where they are

brentkid

08/15/08, 01:51 PM

larsthedrummer

08/15/08, 02:44 PM

My problem with Obama is more with the younger people that support him. It seems like it's the "trendy" thing to do. You don't have to look further than Urban Outfitters to find ridiculous t-shirts supporting him.

It just irritates me to see kids are looking past the important aspects as an attempt to follow some ridiculous trend.

Yeah. He's definitely the "in" thing right now.

That being said, Obama's getting my vote in November for sure (not that voting makes a difference, but it's the thought that counts). McCain is a war hawk nut, and trickle down economics have been proven to not work in the last 8 years. The last time we had a "tax and spend" liberal in office (Clinton), this country had a surplus of $559 billion (reported when he left office). After 8 years of Bush's "conservative economics" we're in a deficit of 9.5 trillion. Plus, the old fart has admitted that he can't use a computer and isn't even familiar with the internet.

I'm not completely sold on Obama, simply because at this stage all the candidates can really do is make promises, but here's why McCain shouldn't get a reasonable person's vote:

1.) War with Iran. He wants it. A lot. So much that he sang about it.

2.) He doesn't support net neutrality. Imagine if certain websites (i.e. the ones owned by rich companies) could pay more to get higher data priority. Now imagine that you have to pay more to subscribe to certain "premium" (popular) websites (like how cable works). This will destroy the free flow of information that makes the internet a unique medium of communication. McCain wants this.

3.) He will stay in Iraq "as long as it takes," killing more innocent Iraqi civilians, causing the needless deaths of more U.S. troops, crushing our economy even further into the dirt with its expenses, and increasing foreign resentment of America.

There are a more, but these are the big reasons for me.

It's too bad Ron Paul has been blocked out of the election, I really like his ideas on politics.

shit stroll

08/15/08, 04:41 PM

lol, you dislike trickle down economics, but you "really like his (ron paul's) ideas on politics?"

Rudie2tone

08/16/08, 06:10 PM

loveisdead

08/16/08, 06:15 PM

Well the young people can't vote so it doesn't matter. Unless you mean young but older than 18...
He's talking about the 18-25 range.

brentkid

08/17/08, 11:26 AM

Well the young people can't vote so it doesn't matter. Unless you mean young but older than 18...

He's talking about the 18-25 range.
Thank you.

thursday727

08/17/08, 12:37 PM

This is the most amazing barack interview.
He bashes McCain pretty good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65I0HNvTDH4

industrialbelt

08/17/08, 12:50 PM

lol, you dislike trickle down economics, but you "really like his (ron paul's) ideas on politics?"

this man knows what he's talking about.

asmolitor

08/17/08, 01:57 PM

The last time we had a "tax and spend" liberal in office (Clinton), this country had a surplus of $559 billion (reported when he left office). After 8 years of Bush's "conservative economics" we're in a deficit of 9.5 trillion.

sigh. i'd point out the blatant difference between budget surpluses/debt and the national debt, but it's just a lost cause. well-intentioned, but just no to the above quoted lines. just, no. i'll be in the corner shaking my head for a minute.

se1046

08/17/08, 02:40 PM

sigh. i'd point out the blatant difference between budget surpluses/debt and the national debt, but it's just a lost cause. well-intentioned, but just no to the above quoted lines. just, no. i'll be in the corner shaking my head for a minute.

LOL!

shit stroll

08/17/08, 09:16 PM

hilarious.

saysmydoctor

08/18/08, 09:45 AM

LOL!
It's so laughable, because it's so right, correct? Or are you laughing him being 'wrong?' In which case, I'm going LOL! at you.

Asmolitor needs to post more. We need the economic minded here.

asmolitor

08/18/08, 08:55 PM

i do what i can. these days, i mostly just lurk until i read something that literally makes my head shake in disappointment. and my sarcasm filter still hasn't figured out the two posts below my one above.

riding green

08/19/08, 08:13 AM

Bob Barr FTW

http://www.BobBarr2008.com

saysmydoctor

08/19/08, 10:00 AM

For what reasons?

riding green

08/19/08, 10:24 AM

For what reasons?

Look at his site!

Less government, more freedom- basic concepts that our founding fathers believed wholeheartedly in yet have been disappearing at an alarming rate in the past half century....

shit stroll

08/19/08, 11:33 AM

less government, more privatization doesn't = more freedom.

riding green

08/19/08, 11:41 AM

less government, more privatization doesn't = more freedom.
That's a pretty bold statement to make without any information to back it up.

asmolitor

08/19/08, 11:45 AM

That's a pretty bold statement to make without any information to back it up.

so is claiming that bob barr = more freedom.

shit stroll

08/19/08, 11:50 AM

how exactly does giving unlimited/unchecked power to the private sector = more freedom?