Post-metalcore?

[Foxholes]

If someone threw Converge and Explosions in the Sky in a blender. You may think I'm stupid, but I can see it working in my head somehow.

[theguy77]

call it something else. every time someone evolves a genre they want it to be post-something. it gets hella confusing.

[hockeyguitar99]

My ears are bleeding just from the thought. It's never good when you combine something awesome (explosions in the sky) with something utterly terrible (converge).

[summer skin]

My ears are bleeding just from the thought. It's never good when you combine something awesome (explosions in the sky) with something utterly terrible (converge).
You really do have some of the worst taste on the music board...it's amazing.

[Foxholes]

call it something else. every time someone evolves a genre they want it to be post-something. it gets hella confusing.

Epic-core?

Basically what I'm thinking is really long and epic metalcore songs. They already have those though, think Norma Jean's "Pretty Soon, I Don't Know What, But Something is Going to Happen" just add a little more post-rock flair.

[hockeyguitar99]

You really do have some of the worst taste on the music board...it's amazing.


because shit metalcore is just so goddamn cool!

[wewascontenders]

Conversions in the Sky

[Danny Schme]

My ears are bleeding just from the thought. It's never good when you combine something awesome (explosions in the sky) with something utterly terrible (converge).

something is terribly wrong here.

[summer skin]

because shit metalcore is just so goddamn cool!
You really are the worst.
Anyone that can listen to "The Saddest Day" and say that Converge is shit isn't worth my time and I'm sure you'll be hard pressed to find anyone over the age of 15 that agrees with you.

[hockeyguitar99]

You really are the worst.
Anyone that can listen to "The Saddest Day" and say that Converge is shit isn't worth my time and I'm sure you'll be hard pressed to find anyone over the age of 15 that agrees with you.

keep thinking that your opinion means anything to me, it's mildly entertaining.

[summer skin]

The fact that you even use the word metalcore to describe Converge shows your ignorance...You really don't need to prove it with each follow up post you make.

off topic: What's your favorite panic at the disco album?

[Foxholes]

The fact that you even use the word metalcore to describe Converge shows your ignorance...

Um...
Converge has helped to define many of the rudiments of the metalcore genre.

[summer skin]

Well as long as you have wikipedia as a source I guess there's no disputing you.

[Troggy]

Well as long as you have wikipedia as a source I guess there's no disputing you.

Just to say, Wikipedia is an excellent resource for quantum mechanics.

[zackisonfire]

Um...


Converge isn't metalcore.

Lets all believe everything we hear on wikipedia.

[Foxholes]

I'm pretty sure everyone would consider Converge metalcore.

And I can't find the link, but studies have found Wiki just as credible as major ecyclopedias.

[summer skin]

I'm pretty sure everyone would consider Converge metalcore.

And I can't find the link, but studies have found Wiki just as credible as major ecyclopedias.
I'm pretty sure wikipedia ran the studies.

[zackisonfire]

I'm pretty sure wikipedia ran the studies.

hahahaha

[Cuddleworthy]

I'm pretty sure everyone would consider Converge metalcore.

apparently not

[summer skin]

atreyu = true metalcore
Converge = noise that is gay

[zackisonfire]

I don't know, i guess i consider metalcore stuff like As i lay Dying, Destroy the Runner, and Haste the Day..

Converge is faster.. and different.
I don't know, i could be wrong.

[wewascontenders]

The Earth has a metal core.

[summer skin]

I don't know, i guess i consider metalcore stuff like As i lay Dying, Destroy the Runner, and Haste the Day..

Converge is faster.. and different.
I don't know, i could be wrong.
you are
atreyu invented it.
just listen to right side of the bed, its one of the first metalcore songs.

[Foxholes]

atreyu = true metalcore
Converge = noise that is gay

Thank you for totally discrediting yourself. Atreyu?

[theguy77]

The Earth has a metal core.

hahahaha

[Danny Schme]

No sleeping on my side of the bedddd, tonightttttt!!!!

[summer skin]

Thank you for totally discrediting yourself. Atreyu?
You're wrong. Have you ever heard their first cd? Fucking heavy as fuck.

[summer skin]

No sleeping on my side of the bedddd, tonightttttt!!!!
im moshin

[zackisonfire]

you are
atreyu invented it.
just listen to right side of the bed, its one of the first metalcore songs.

I'm wrong?
As I lay Dying and Atreyu play basically the same kind of music.
Fast metal.. with both clean and screaming vocals..

I do miss the old Atreyu though.
I hate the new shit.
Alot.

[Getup and Dance]

im moshin

Can I bring a 2 step?

let me lace up my dunks.

[Danny Schme]

Can I bring a 2 step?

let me lace up my dunks.

bring da cr00sh

[Getup and Dance]

I'm wrong?
As I lay Dying and Atreyu play basically the same kind of music.
Fast metal.. with both clean and screaming vocals..


:wallbash::wallbash::wallbash::wall bash::wallbash::wallbash::wallbash: :wallbash::wallbash::wallbash::wall bash::wallbash::wallbash::wallbash: :wallbash::wallbash::wallbash::wall bash::wallbash::wallbash::wallbash: :wallbash::wallbash::wallbash::wall bash::wallbash::wallbash::wallbash: :wallbash::wallbash:

[Getup and Dance]

bring da cr00sh


I got my camo shorts already on.

[summer skin]

Um...

I'm wrong?
As I lay Dying and Atreyu play basically the same kind of music.
Fast metal.. with both clean and screaming vocals..

I do miss the old Atreyu though.
I hate the new shit.
Alot.
Yeah they should stop trying to be a crust band and go back to their roots. As I Lay Dying is more light metal than metalroar though.
Can I bring a 2 step?

let me lace up my dunks.

bring da cr00sh
Hold on let me lace up my CARSONXGRAVE

[Danny Schme]

I got my camo shorts already on.


I CAN'T SEE YOUR MOSH!!!

[Danny Schme]

Hold on let me lace up my CARSONXGRAVE

limited edition shitz right thurr.

[JizzyA]

JizzyA says shut the fuck up.

Try and see my mosh bitch.

Ya can't.

Uhhhhhhhhhh

[Danny Schme]

real account

[summer skin]

limited edition shitz right thurr.
the beast metalcore album of the year was definitely burden of a day's new cd.

[Getup and Dance]

I got that new Emmure stuff, Victory records brings the mosh.

[zackisonfire]

This thread delivers siq mosh.

[summer skin]

I got that new Emmure stuff, Victory records brings the mosh.
The hardcore store's having a sale: for every two juns you buy you get a wee for freeeeeee

[JizzyA]

JizzyA says victory records aint bring shit.

JizzyA brings the shit.

That heavy shit

That bomb shit.

That JizzyA shit

[summer skin]

JizzyA says victory records aint bring shit.

JizzyA brings the shit.

That heavy shit

That bomb shit.

That JizzyA shit
whatever you're selling, I'm buying.

[Danny Schme]

whatever you're selling, I'm buying.

a lot

[Getup and Dance]

a lot

But only if I can get scene points for it.

[JizzyA]

JizzyA aint for sale.

My mosh it too hard for that shit.

MoshMoshCr00sh

Cr00shCr00shMosh

YoucantseeitYoucantseeit

MoshMoshMoshhhhhhh

JizzyA bitches.

[Danny Schme]

Is it bad I found the flow and rhythm in that?

[Getup and Dance]

JizzyA aint for sale.

My mosh it too hard for that shit.

MoshMoshCr00sh

Cr00shCr00shMosh

YoucantseeitYoucantseeit

MoshMoshMoshhhhhhh

JizzyA bitches.


http://cameraman.no.sapo.pt/Mosh2NEW.jpg

[JizzyA]

You ask JizzyA if you can respond to him from now on.

Until you can find my mosh you dont speak of JizzyA

[ThemChains]

ATTN: SummerSkin-our opinions on Converge will never be accepted by people on this board

ATTN: Hockeyguitar99-your opinion on music doesn't allow you to ever say anything valid...ever. (don't stop reading that sentence at the point where I name your favorite band)

Converge may have influenced the metalcore we know of today, but they in no way play metalcore.

[Danny Schme]

Then what the hell should Converge be called, genre wise?

[ThemChains]

Then what the hell should Converge be called, genre wise?


Converge.

[Troggy]

Converge.

Why not. Converge got started before most of the terminology that describes heavy music styles was popularized I believe.

[JizzyA]

JizzyA would like to state that while Converge may not be considered metalcore to more modern takes on the genre, that doesnt mean it isnt one of the bands that spearheaded the original metalcore movement. though they may not sound like many of the bands out now that consider themselves metalcore, what they were doing when they first started was a blatent mix of metal and hardcore sounds of the late 80s and early 90s. Saying that converge isnt metalcore is like saying Boston or some shit isnt rock and roll...just because bands dont play like that anymore doesnt mean they arent in the same genre.


And now JizzyA departs.

[Genuma]

My ears are bleeding just from the thought. It's never good when you combine something awesome (explosions in the sky) with something utterly terrible (converge).
What's your favorite EITS song?

[summer skin]

Then what the hell should Converge be called, genre wise?
HATE INCARNATE

[summer skin]

What's your favorite EITS song?
10 bucks on your hand in mine.

[Danny Schme]

JizzyA would like to state that while Converge may not be considered metalcore to more modern takes on the genre, that doesnt mean it isnt one of the bands that spearheaded the original metalcore movement. though they may not sound like many of the bands out now that consider themselves metalcore, what they were doing when they first started was a blatent mix of metal and hardcore sounds of the late 80s and early 90s. Saying that converge isnt metalcore is like saying Boston or some shit isnt rock and roll...just because bands dont play like that anymore doesnt mean they arent in the same genre.


And now JizzyA departs.

six posts of consistent 3rd person. tits.

HATE INCARNATE

this gets my vote.

10 bucks on your hand in mine.

not enough love for Birth And Death Of A Day

[wesgemm08]

Jacob Bannon says Converge is a punk band, so therefore Converge is a punk band.

[Troggy]

10 bucks on your hand in mine.

what's wrong with that?? haha

Jacob Bannon says Converge is a punk band, so therefore Converge is a punk band.

all he said when I saw them was that they aren't a rock and roll band. logically, they could be a punk band, then.

[ThemChains]

I say Converge is just Converge.

[Danny Schme]

all he said when I saw them was that they aren't a rock and roll band. logically, they could be a punk band, then.

or folk, or pop, or hey... metalcore? world ambiance?

[ThemChains]

Hockeyguitar99 clearly has it right with them just being awful.

[Danny Schme]

obv

[summer skin]

Jacob Bannon says Converge is a punk band, so therefore Converge is a punk band.
Well he is God so that is correct.
what's wrong with that?? haha
.
nothing it's just their most well known song.

[Genuma]

10 bucks on your hand in mine.
A billion dollars on "I only like their albums as a whole".

[ThemChains]

A billion dollars on "I only like their albums as a whole".

Which is secret code for "I am blowing smoke and talking out of my ass and have no idea about the music I pretend to love"

[Danny Schme]

nothing it's just their most well known song.

Birth and Death of a Day is one of my tops.

[Genuma]

Which is secret code for "I am blowing smoke and talking out of my ass and have no idea about the music I pretend to love"
Damn you codetalkers.

[ThemChains]

Damn you codetalkers.

Haha. Not me, them.

[summer skin]

Birth and Death of a Day is one of my tops.
we know
Which is secret code for "I am blowing smoke and talking out of my ass and have no idea about the music I pretend to love"
that's the true meaning of everyone of his posts.
Damn you codetalkers.
http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/145/501004%7EWindtalkers-Posters.jpg

[Genuma]

Nicolas Cage is the most thrilling man I have ever had then pleasure of watching.

[Foxholes]

It's all about "Catastrophe and the Cure"

Listen to "The Progress"
http://www.myspace.com/thepaxcecilia

[ThemChains]

I hate Nicolas Cage.

[summer skin]

Nicolas Cage is the most thrilling man I have ever had then pleasure of watching.
e6i2WRreARo

[Genuma]

I can't stand him either. The man cannot play any roles at all. I do not understand why anyone likes him.

[Danny Schme]

Birth and Death of a Day is one of my tops.
not enough love for Birth And Death Of A Day
we know

how'd ya guess? (honestly didn't remember putting that in the first time)

[Genuma]

STEP AWAY FROM THE BIKE

thrilling

[summer skin]

STEP AWAY FROM THE BIKE

thrilling
NOT THE BEES NOT THE BEES!
THEY'RE IN MY EYES AGAGAGAGAGAA

[ThemChains]

Nicolas Cage looks like such a shit bag in Con Air, we have the movie poster in our living room, just because of that fucking hair cut.

[summer skin]

Nicolas Cage looks like such a shit bag in pictures of nicolas cage
fixed.

[ThemChains]

fixed.

Thanks man.


I fucked up.

[summer skin]

Thanks man.


I fucked up.
got ambushed zipped in



first person to get that wins sex.

[ThemChains]

got ambushed zipped in



first person to get that wins sex.

Like the GAZI part of Fugazi?

[Genuma]

Can I have sex anyway?

[summer skin]

Like the GAZI part of Fugazi?
Fucked
Up
Got
Ambushed
Zipped
In



so you get partial sex.

[ThemChains]

Fucked
Up
Got
Ambushed
Zipped
In



so you get partial sex.

I knew you were finishing it, I just listing what you had put, which was the GAZI section.


I want your sex.

[summer skin]

I knew you were finishing it, I just listing what you had put, which was the GAZI section.


I want your sex.
ok but only if we can watch The Instrument during.

[ThemChains]

ok but only if we can watch The Instrument during.

I've only heard tell. But I hear that is a boner kill.

[summer skin]

I've only heard tell. But I hear that is a boner kill.
ian mackaye = boner juice

[Foxholes]

Back On Topic!

[ThemChains]

ian mackaye = boner juice

My 10th grade history teacher worshipped Ian Mackaye and all things Dischord.

[summer skin]

My 10th grade history teacher worshipped Ian Mackaye and all things Dischord.
he must have ruled.

[Lacrimosa]

Back On Topic!

Converge already have long songs, ie. Jane Doe, Grim Rose, The Saddest Day. They're hardcore, not metalcore. No wanky guitar solos or palm muting in every song.

[Yes. And?]

My ears are bleeding just from the thought. It's never good when you combine something awesome (explosions in the sky) with something utterly terrible (converge).
Why do you keep saying things that just get you in trouble?

[hockeyguitar99]

What's your favorite EITS song?

the moment we were alone.

[hockeyguitar99]

Why do you keep saying things that just get you in trouble?

people don't like my opinion, but i couldn't care less

[Lacrimosa]

I much prefer Converge to EITS, there are much better post rock bands out there.

[Danny Schme]

Converge already have long songs, ie. Jane Doe, Grim Rose, The Saddest Day. They're hardcore, not metalcore. No wanky guitar solos or palm muting in every song.

JizzyA would like to state that while Converge may not be considered metalcore to more modern takes on the genre, that doesnt mean it isnt one of the bands that spearheaded the original metalcore movement. though they may not sound like many of the bands out now that consider themselves metalcore, what they were doing when they first started was a blatent mix of metal and hardcore sounds of the late 80s and early 90s. Saying that converge isnt metalcore is like saying Boston or some shit isnt rock and roll...just because bands dont play like that anymore doesnt mean they arent in the same genre.

And now JizzyA departs.

yea

[shit stroll]

because shit metalcore is just so goddamn cool!
dude, you listen to cute is what we aim for, and you're talking shit on converge?

[handlikesecret]

post-yourmomcore.

[Troggy]

post-yourmomcore.

:rolleyes:

[handlikesecret]

:rolleyes:
are you not impressed?

[Troggy]

are you not impressed?

I do way too many your mom jokes to be impressed by that one.

[Regards]

I lol'd.

[hockeyguitar99]

dude, you listen to cute is what we aim for, and you're talking shit on converge?

Yes

[Lacrimosa]

They aren't metalcore now at least, if you want to be a pedant.

[Troggy]

Yes

ahahahahahah he's backkkkkkkk

[handlikesecret]

I do way too many your mom jokes to be impressed by that one.
your mom was impressed last night. :shrug:

haha it was pretty weak though, i'll admit.

I lol'd.
it was just for you. ;-)

[Troggy]

your mom was impressed last night. :shrug:

haha it was pretty weak though, i'll admit.

It's okay, I still like you.

[Regards]

your mom was impressed last night. :shrug:

haha it was pretty weak though, i'll admit.


it was just for you. ;-)
That sir, is a lie.

[hockeyguitar99]

ahahahahahah he's backkkkkkkk

What, I never left.

[handlikesecret]

It's okay, I still like you.
:woot:

That sir, is a lie.
gah, you caught me.

isn't ignorant bliss though?

[Troggy]

What, I never left.

You don't even sleep? Who are you? Jack Bauer?

Although there is no way Jack Bauer likes CIWWAF

[Regards]

:woot:


gah, you caught me.

isn't ignorant bliss though?
Slap me with a medium-rare stake and maybe I'll agree.

[handlikesecret]

Slap me with a medium-rare stake and maybe I'll agree.
:trout: how about a trout?

[Troggy]

Is it a tuna? I could go for some grilled tuna.

[handlikesecret]

i had some shrimp from Chili's today, it was heavenly.

[Troggy]

i had some shrimp from Chili's today, it was heavenly.

what kind? i am usually disappointed with chilis...except happy hour

[hockeyguitar99]

You don't even sleep? Who are you? Jack Bauer?

Although there is no way Jack Bauer likes CIWWAF

You don't know that

[handlikesecret]

i'm not sure, it was in a box in my fridge. my dad must have brought it home.

[Troggy]

You don't know that

How could someone so awesome like such terrible music? Not possible.

[Troggy]

i'm not sure, it was in a box in my fridge. my dad must have brought it home.

oh haha. that's sweet though finding leftovers from restaurants.

[hockeyguitar99]

How could someone so awesome like such terrible music? Not possible.

Very possible

[Troggy]

Very possible

Jack Bauer is cool. You and anyone cool do not have anything in common. Therefore Jack Bauer does not like your crappy music.

[handlikesecret]

oh dear, haha.

[Troggy]

oh dear, haha.

wut?

[handlikesecret]

wut?
haha i was just commenting on your last post. i found it funny.

[hockeyguitar99]

Jack Bauer is cool. You and anyone cool do not have anything in common. Therefore Jack Bauer does not like your crappy music.

Except that you don't know me...

[Troggy]

haha i was just commenting on your last post. i found it funny.

haha gotcha.

Except that you don't know me...

Well if you are anything like you are on here, I think I know enough. I mean come on, you already said CIWWAF > Converge, what more do I need to know?

[shit stroll]

forever the sickest kids > converge

[Troggy]

forever the sickest kids > converge

:wave:

[handlikesecret]

i love FTSK, haha.

[summer skin]

forever the sickest kids > converge
Forever the sickest kids = converge

[alice+interiors]

i love FTSK, haha.
i am so sorry i did not reply to this issue the other day!
man i had to go, still love you and is an excellent and fair story A++++

[x togepi x]

i think it's funny that people think "post" means instrumental. so idiotic.

[hockeyguitar99]

haha gotcha.



Well if you are anything like you are on here, I think I know enough. I mean come on, you already said CIWWAF > Converge, what more do I need to know?

I personally don't enjoy metal. I would never say that ciwwaf is more talented than converge, that would be absurd.

[handlikesecret]

i am so sorry i did not reply to this issue the other day!
man i had to go, still love you and is an excellent and fair story A++++
haha no worries, for a second i thought you thought it wasn't worthy of addressing.

but i'm glad it was informative, i feel like it explains a lot.

[White Noise]

i think it's funny that people think "post" means instrumental. so idiotic.

This is exactly what I was thinking.

[handlikesecret]

i think it's funny that people think "post" means instrumental. so idiotic.
...it doesn't? :-|

[summer skin]

I personally don't enjoy metal. I would never say that ciwwaf is more talented than converge, that would be absurd.
you said converge was utter shit.
That is absurd.

[hockeyguitar99]

you said converge was utter shit.
That is absurd.

I gave converge all of the credit I will, which is that they're talented

[summer skin]

d_rz7gZiJkg
chills.
2:40 of the video = best build up ever in music.

[shit stroll]

they don't have shit on ciwwaf.

[summer skin]

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b388/fromftolast/ciwwaf.jpg
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
http://www.caughtinthecrossfire.com/media/images/music/interviews/converge/converge3.jpg
stupid asian ruins the cute factor.

[shit stroll]

jF3MYxSo-es

[summer skin]

jF3MYxSo-es
When did he become adam lazzara?

[handlikesecret]

jF3MYxSo-es
2:40 = best build up ever!

[ThemChains]

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b388/fromftolast/ciwwaf.jpg
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
http://www.caughtinthecrossfire.com/media/images/music/interviews/converge/converge3.jpg
stupid asian ruins the cute factor.


Nate Newton has the greatest scum stash.

[summer skin]

Nate Newton has the greatest scum stash.
And I think Bannon is the only person I know that can pull off a full neck tattoo.

[ThemChains]

And I think Bannon is the only person I know that can pull off a full neck tattoo.

Dude, they are so intimidating. If I qualify this year, and then start fighting professionally within the next two years, I am getting one. Just to scare the piss out of my opponents.

[summer skin]

Dude, they are so intimidating. If I qualify this year, and then start fighting professionally within the next two years, I am getting one. Just to scare the piss out of my opponents.
What do you fight in? MMA? Boxing? Fencing?

[ThemChains]

What do you fight in? MMA? Boxing? Fencing?

It's more open style full contact fighting, so people can do any style that doesn't involve groundfighting. I am trying to break my way into K-1.

[summer skin]

It's more open style full contact fighting, so people can do any style that doesn't involve groundfighting. I am trying to break my way into K-1.
k1 is crazy...its all about stomping peoples heads when they're down.
fucking rules.

[ThemChains]

k1 is crazy...its all about stomping peoples heads when they're down.
fucking rules.

We'll see. This is my last year in AAU, and I am getting more fights in NASKA and NBL. So, I'm moving forward.

[summer skin]

We'll see. This is my last year in AAU, and I am getting more fights in NASKA and NBL. So, I'm moving forward.
do you get intro music yet?

[ThemChains]

do you get intro music yet?

No, but when I do, it's going to be Among The Living-Anthrax.

[summer skin]

No, but when I do, it's going to be Among The Living-Anthrax.
it should be heavy heavy low low - there's a bat

[ThemChains]

it should be heavy heavy low low - there's a bat

LOLERSKATES!

[summer skin]

LOLERSKATES!
lU1WIwT-Ku0
use it as a tool, when they hear you coming out to this they'll think you're some paint huffing scenefag but then you can put them in some sort of octopus hold right off the bat.

[ThemChains]

lU1WIwT-Ku0
use it as a tool, when they hear you coming out to this they'll think you're some paint huffing scenefag but then you can put them in some sort of octopus hold right off the bat.

I would, except that I fight in a style that is completely standing domination, I kick you in the legs over and over, until it's too much pain to stand up.

[summer skin]

all your fights should be like this
Pv4Ch3LeHPI
screaming asians and all.

[ThemChains]

all your fights should be like this
Pv4Ch3LeHPI
screaming asians and all.

I wish. I'd put it in every Azn girlz boooty.

[chaosB4storm]

If someone threw Converge and Explosions in the Sky in a blender. You may think I'm stupid, but I can see it working in my head somehow.

you would need a big blender!!! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHAHAAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAAHA HH

[summer skin]

I wish. I'd put it in every Azn girlz boooty.
mmmm asian booty.

[ThemChains]

I have the hottest asian friend who had a crush on me when we were ten, too bad ten doesn't last forever.

[summer skin]

I have the hottest asian friend who had a crush on me when we were ten, too bad ten doesn't last forever.
isn't that the truth?!!

[ThemChains]

isn't that the truth?!!

Word.


Alright I'm out.

[Anthony84]

If someone threw Converge and Explosions in the Sky in a blender. You may think I'm stupid, but I can see it working in my head somehow.

I think this is pretty close to what you were looking for
Milanku
http://www.myspace.com/milanku

[shit stroll]

foxholes makes pointless threads.

[Carlo Marx]

My ears are bleeding just from the thought. It's never good when you combine something awesome (explosions in the sky) with something utterly terrible (converge).

you don't like explosions in the sky, they're not influenced by angels and airwaves.

[shit stroll]

because shit metalcore is just so goddamn cool!
i hate you.

[Carlo Marx]

i always just thought of converge as hardcore. cave your skull in with a ceramic ashtray hardcore, but still.

[CheckeredFloors]

Oof.