This is why suicide isn't funny.

[The Bled 13]

Well, tonight, I was talking to my girlfreind and unfortunatley I had to hear the story of this girl who I didn't really know, but had been in school since we went to Bel Air Elementary. Anyways, this past Friday she decided to hang herself. I haven't even talked to her since 10th grade but as soon as I heard the story my stomach dropped and I wanted to throw up. I know dieing is a very sad thing, but suicide is just horrible. It's horrible becasue it makes you think that someone was that upset, that pissed off with their life that they decided to end it. My uncle comitted suicide, and I saw how it tore my family apart, and I can only hope for the best with her family. I don't really know how to approach it, so I figured I'd just share what has happend. Suicide isn't funny, and I wish people wouldn't talk of it so lightly. I've been so upset at times that I thought about it, and wrote a little about it. I was seeing a doctor since 7th grade and earlier this year I finally stopped. I'm not saying this because I want some attention or for you to feel sorry - I'm saying this becasue if you ever feel that you are losing it, help is what you need. There is always help, all that is needed is for you to talk - and someone will listen. I don't really know what to say, but don't ever hide anything that hurts inside, you have to find someone to confide in and that person either it be a best freind or your parents or someone else parents will listen.

Sorry if you didn't want to hear that...

[richter915]

that's some crazy shit dude. my views on suicide are real mixed, but then again, I've never had direct contact with anyone who was suicidal or anything...not anyone I cared about anyway. but I definitely agree that counseling and just having someone listen to you helps out big time.

[Coronary Parasite]

it's okay pat...i feel for you and her family...

[The Bled 13]

What do you mean by your views on suicide? I'm kind of confused...

[open mind]

suicide is for cowards,and it pisses me off cause i know people who've done it.
i don't find it funny but i think it's for wussies.

[richter915]

I have a strange view on suicide and it's pretty controversial and stuff. Again it's cause I've never known someone who's taken their own life. Trust me, I do believe it's wrong in all ways possible...I can't watch the good charlotte video the whole way through without getting emotional...I do think teenage suicide is more wrong than...most anything out there.

[The Bled 13]

I totally agree with you man. I really do, suicide is a cowardly way to face your fuckin problems. It's the most selfish thing you could do, and you don't even realize it. Thats what my Dad says about his brother all the time. He wasn't making anything better by ending his life, he was only making it worse for the people who cared for him.

[cristal]

i think suicide is one of the most selfish acts a human can do. any time i've ever had a tiny thought of doing something like that to myself, i think of how it would effect my friends and family.

[The Bled 13]

Well, what are your views? I won't get offended if that is what you are worried about .. I'm just curious with what you have to say.

[Coronary Parasite]

i'm not going to type everything out that i want to say but i will say that i agree with everone above me^^

[The Bled 13]

I know, if anyone is to that point, all they should have to do is think of the people that care. And if I really ever was to that tipping point I know that would stop me from thinking or doing anything crazy. Because no matter how many people you really think hate you, their are so many more that really do like you.

[mirtizzle]

that really sucks. my best friend's brother hung himself a week before we began our first day in college, and she's just not the same. i've had to help her through so many emotional breakdowns and it stresses me out to see her get upset
i flinch everytime someone mentions suicide now and it really bothers me when people joke about it..

[The Bled 13]

I feel exactly the same way. I get uncomfortable even discussing suicide. It just isn't right. And once you have gone through with it, you leave so much behind, and you just about destroy your family and freinds. I hate it.

[richter915]

oh well ya I was gonna say that it's really cowardly...I didn't know if people would have a problem with it. I think it's extremly selfish as well...If someone really thinks that suicide is the solution for them though...I'd give em the gun...loaded and ready...I think it's stupid and ignorant...and it's a terrible thing to put the people who love you through.

makes me dislike a lot of today's rock music...popular line from brand new "die young and save yourself"...I can just imagine that being written on a 14 year old's suicide note...they didn't know better...their ignorance killed em..

[The Bled 13]

I agree with you in parts. But depression is a sickness and that usually leads to suicide. You know what I mean? It's not like we wake up and decide were going to die today. It takes a while, it brews, and then something really bad happens and you feel you have had enough. And true bravery in these situations is standing up and saying to yourself I need some god damn help. It is a very coward thing to let yourself live in these conditions, it is fucking hell to be unhappy, and I don't understand why people go through it and then decide to end it. It's just horrible.

[The Bled 13]

And I understand with the music, it's almost as if they glamorize death and make it okay to die. I understand that we all die, but how can you live happidly if that is all you think about it? I mean come on...

[jgirv17]

Suicide is definitely something that I have seen affect people who are close to me. I agree with everyone above in that I think it is selfish and cowardly. You are pretty much saying either "I can't deal with this, I won't deal with this, You deal with me," or "They'll be sorry when I'm gone," both of which are terrible things to say.

[DriveTBSthru]

im sorry thats scary.

[richter915]

well depression definitely adds in another factor...I've done studies and shit with depression and all...I've read up on it a little too. but I mean...I don't know how a teenager of 13 or 14 can be depressed...especially someone living in a place like America. that's just how I see it...but some teens who get involved in drinking and drugs are likely to be depressed and therefore likely to be suicidal...so a lot of ties back to bad parenting as well as ignorance...I dunno...it's insane how much teenage suicide has gone up in the past few years too. our world's in a pretty sad state.

[richter915]

it is definitely hard to live with death always on your mind...that's hard enough as it is and then you listen to some of your favorite bands who focus on it too...then you look at the paper with headlines "hundred's dead from suicide bomb in middle east"...then you have some of your idols who've taken their own lives...like kurt cobain...then to get away from this all you drink or light up a joint...which do have depressive effects...if you get high,you're gonna hit a low...I fear for the future of this country.

[The Bled 13]

Man, Richter your pretty damn smart. It is crazy to think that some of us are that depressed. Everyone has it hard though, thats my philosphy, some of us have it harder then others, some less hard. It all just matters how we deal with it.

We really do have it way better in America than most countrys yet I'm pretty sure we have the highest suicidal rate and it continues to go up. The statistics alone are very depressing. I don't understand it either. I'm sure it does have to deal with drinking and drugs. However it can deal with not feeling accepted. And that is what is thought to have happend to my uncle, growing up back then homosexuality wasn't as I guess accepted or understood as it is now. And he felt that he wasn't worthy of living anymore, instead of getting help, he ended it all.

All in all - Suicide is wrong and cowardly, just get help.

[13th hour]

Suicide is definitely something that I have seen affect people who are close to me. I agree with everyone above in that I think it is selfish and cowardly. You are pretty much saying either "I can't deal with this, I won't deal with this, You deal with me," or "They'll be sorry when I'm gone," both of which are terrible things to say.
exactly.

[The Bled 13]

I fear for the apathy that read the suicide bombings and flip to the fuckin sports section. Maybe thats why we are all going in a slump - BECAUSE NO ONE FUCKING CARES. And if their is one thing that pisses me off it is apathy.

And I think that could be a huge problem with American culture.

[Jim Morgan]

suicide is a touchy subject. I feel it is ver yselfish, but i did know someone who i had fallen out of touch with ab it who killed himself at 16 years old. It's a very sad thing.

It really fucking pisses me off when kids think their life sucks and its so bad, yet they live in a house, with clothes on their back, and computers, cds, and money at their fingertips. Sure, all this can't bring happiness, but you have a damn good life.

There are people with less in other countries who are happier then children in america, that makes me sick.

[13th hour]

the problem with America is that no one cares whats going on in the world, they hardly give a fuck with whats going on in their own town, and with a generation growing up that only reads the sports page and the comics, I think America is growing increasingly fucked.

[Trainsaw]

i don't feel sorry for folks who committ suicide, if they wanted to die and they got what they want. they're retarded for it but i don't feel sorry for them.

[The Bled 13]

Well I guess that is your opinion. I feel sorry for someone who has killed themselves, but I don't think that it is right.

But see, that is what I'm talking about. People don't pay attention, I'm not asking for you to fall to your knees and cry your eyes out. I'm just asking for you to be aware and be that person to help someone that is that upset.

[13th hour]

I'm just asking for you to be aware and be that person to help someone that is that upset.


Thats really cool of you.

[Alex Djaferis]

Well I guess that is your opinion. I feel sorry for someone who has killed themselves, but I don't think that it is right.

But see, that is what I'm talking about. People don't pay attention, I'm not asking for you to fall to your knees and cry your eyes out. I'm just asking for you to be aware and be that person to help someone that is that upset.

I have a new found respect for you, not that i didnt like you already. but yeah...i know what it is like to be on the listeners side with peoples problems...all too many times have i been encountered with friends with thoughts of suicide.

I have recieved calls before when people are about to kill themselves and them asking me to convince them that life is still owrth living. so far, so good, ive managed. but its hard. i feel bad for them...i want to help because i believe life can be beautiful for everyone.

I missed alot of the thread i think, but i encourage you/everyone to be a good listener for people in need...

[cantnokdahustle]

in certain cases i think suicide noble.

[FarPastGone]

Yeah I view suicide as being selfish and taking the easy way out....but I also feel bad for the peoples family who resort to it.

[Lueda Alia]

I don't think the ones who commit suicide are cowards. because ok sure, it can be viewed as a selfish thing to end your life because you're going to upset so many people... but ok so.. I have to keep on living only for other people when I'm not happy myself at all?

honestly.. I've thought of suicide because my life really did get so messed up at one point... and there really wasn't even a way for me to get out of all the shat I had gotten into. yeah I thought about it.. but I could never do it... because there are things I want to experience... and what's sad is that... I've always been there for everyone who has needed help.... I've given them hope that there are beautiful things out there for them... and they don't want to miss out on that stuff... but when it comes to myself I can't seem to believe it all. I'm not sure why. I don't know if this is making any sense either but anyway......

I really wish people wouldn't look at those teens who commit suicide as cowards... because they're obviously feeling damn miserable if they go that far. like some one already said, its not like they just wake up one day and decide to kill themselves. no. they've been feeling like that for a long time if they end everything. they've been going through so much and no one has probably even noticed that their life is crap... and I think that's one of the things that pushes a lot of teens to commit suicide: they think no one cares about them and what theyre going through. so yeah.... and a lot of times.. I know many people don't even know how to get help... and they're afraid to talk about their problems too. It took me a long time to talk to some one about what I was feeling when I was really depressed. It didn't help much.... because if I don't want to get better and see no point in living, then no one can help me... if that makes any sense... but yeah.

And like some one already said (again).... just be there for whoever needs some one to listen...... even if its boring. sometimes you don't even have to say much to them... because all they want to do is know that some one is willing to listen. I guess its like a diary... when you write down what you're feeling... you sort of feel better/relieved.. if you know what I mean. and yeah I may be depressed at times... but I actually still listen to the others who are too. I'm not sure why... but for some reason I want to help them more than I want to help myself. Its pretty pathetic but its the truth. and that's the reason why I want to be a Psychologist too... when I "grow up"... because I want to help people... and I've been told I'm a good listener so yeah. I'd honestly work for free too if I had some other way to support myself later on in life.... just because helping some one means more to me than money ever could. my mom has always told me to stop dealing with the others problems becuase I'm not gaining anything other than depressing myself... but I don't see it that way. that's all I want in return when I help those people: them to feel better.

oh and you know, I think its us... teens... who make each other feel miserable a lot of times. Like in high school... I know a lot of people feel lonely etc etc... and I've been there, because I've changed schools so often... so yeah... really... if you see some kid alone... go and strike up a conversation. it won't hurt... and who knows... you may turn out to be best friends one day. just give people a chance and don't let them feel like they're alone because lonliness is one shitty feeling, and it has a lot to do with suicide. or so I think anyway.

and wow sorry got carried away.

[The Bled 13]

That is a very smart post, and I really do agree. When I say that people who go through with their actions are cowards is only because that they should take the brave step and seek help in some way. No matter what you say or think, their is always at least one person who will listen, it just takes that time to go out and look. And thats what we all need to do.

[Sellout Theory]

That is a very smart post, and I really do agree. When I say that people who go through with their actions are cowards is only because that they should take the brave step and seek help in some way. No matter what you say or think, their is always at least one person who will listen, it just takes that time to go out and look. And thats what we all need to do.Yes, thats why when someone needs help in anyway you help him/her. If its just listening to them or helping them take out the garbage, or even shave under their arms, do it.

[The Bled 13]

Yes, thats why when someone needs help in anyway you help him/her. If its just listening to them or helping them take out the garbage, or even shave under their arms, do it.


Haha, I'd help them.

I hope you weren't trying to be a prick about that..

[Sellout Theory]

Haha, I'd help them.

I hope you weren't trying to be a prick about that..
no no no I was just saying when someone needs help, make sure you take that extra help and do it

[The Bled 13]

no no no I was just saying when someone needs help, make sure you take that extra help and do it


Yeah, that is what I figured, but I was just double checking.

[Sellout Theory]

Yeah, that is what I figured, but I was just double checking.
naw its cool, I see why you were checking

[The Bled 13]

Yeah, I'm on the defense because I'm just waiting for some prick to come into this thread and start joking about it.

[Sellout Theory]

Yeah, I'm on the defense because I'm just waiting for some prick to come into this thread and start joking about it.
ohh hell no, it will show no character if someone does, its not a laughing matter

[richter915]

ya I made some big post yesterday about how american culture is leading to the downfall of it's people...but it didn't go up cause I posted when Tate was fixing the boards.

Anyway, what I wanted to say was like...America is seen as the greatest nation in the world right now..and according to my gov't teacher...we're part of the greatest era of society ever...greater than the Greeks, Romans, Egyptians...we're the best. And yet everyday there are people who want to take their own lives? We're still fairly young...I don't see teenage suicide so much as cowardice as it is ignorance...we just don't know that things might get better someday...we look around us and we're surrounded by death...music glorifying death...idols we worship who've bit the bullet...headlines reading "600 american soldiers DEAD in Iraq"...

and what society portrays as beautiful just wrecks the minds of kids. I've known that kids two years younger than me (sophomores in HS)...are the most fucked up kids I've seen...many are seeing shrinks...many hang around the school's shrink's office...many have fallen to evils like drugs and alcohol...many have wrists covered in scars...I can't help but feel sorry for these kids...I don't know what happened. but when you have young girls growing up with the idea that looking like britney spears is beauty and a size two outfit will get attention...it must suck..cause when you're not that...you might just think "I won't get any useful help anyway...might as well take care of the problem myself"...the world is in a sad state.

[Trainsaw]

ya I made some big post yesterday about how american culture is leading to the downfall of it's people...but it didn't go up cause I posted when Tate was fixing the boards.

Anyway, what I wanted to say was like...America is seen as the greatest nation in the world right now..and according to my gov't teacher...we're part of the greatest era of society ever...greater than the Greeks, Romans, Egyptians...we're the best. And yet everyday there are people who want to take their own lives? We're still fairly young...I don't see teenage suicide so much as cowardice as it is ignorance...we just don't know that things might get better someday...we look around us and we're surrounded by death...music glorifying death...idols we worship who've bit the bullet...headlines reading "600 american soldiers DEAD in Iraq"...

and what society portrays as beautiful just wrecks the minds of kids. I've known that kids two years younger than me (sophomores in HS)...are the most fucked up kids I've seen...many are seeing shrinks...many hang around the school's shrink's office...many have fallen to evils like drugs and alcohol...many have wrists covered in scars...I can't help but feel sorry for these kids...I don't know what happened. but when you have young girls growing up with the idea that looking like britney spears is beauty and a size two outfit will get attention...it must suck..cause when you're not that...you might just think "I won't get any useful help anyway...might as well take care of the problem myself"...the world is in a sad state.

every great society has fallen, do you think we might be in the midst of a fall?

[richter915]

I dunno dude, it's hard to say...nero watch rome burn...Bush is watching the US economy go to hell...Society is extremely materialistic and superficial now...more than ever...most people are ignorant even with the plethora of information around em...I'm worried cause the generation before us...they were projected to be less successful than their parents...and our generation...I don't know what the heck we are...I dunno dude, it's hard to say.

[The Bled 13]

Man, Ricther, what's your damn name?

Your smart dude, real smart. And your right. However, Trainsaw I agree with you, I think that we are going to fall if we don't stop what is going on. Not every great society lasts too long, eventually it all comes toppeling down. And I think we are being very ignorant towards that fact. No one is working to make the future better, why would they care? They won't be here then. But if you continue to think like that then this place is going to hell.

[piebaldkid42]

this is why those plea for peace/take action albums are so fucking cool, good comps and they donate to charities to help prevent suicide

[open mind]

suicide is cowardly,if you feel like shit tell someone,don't be scared to talk about it.
suicides a selfish thing,it's throwing in the towel,being a quitter,and putting yourself before your friends and family, if that's not cowardly i don't know what is.

[Shellular]

When I was 14, my best friend slit her wrists, her mom found her like 3 seconds later though, so she didn't die. But I remember being so mad at her, I swore I'd never speak to her again for being so selfish. She didn't even realize how much she would have hurt her family and friends. I didn't talk to her again, until about 2 years later when she sent me a letter .. we're not as close anymore ... and I still kind of hold a grudge..

I agree with Mike .. it's fucking selfish, and cowardly.

[still_above_me]

i went through a suicidal period. and it's not what it seems.

[open mind]

shit i've been depressed and wanted to die,i've had some pretty big problems,but you either man up,or fall apart.

[The Bled 13]

I had to take medicine for manic depression and shit and I still have my phases. But it really just matters on your courage. Everyone has obstacles in their lives you just gotta do something about it.

And the plea for peace / take action Compilations are fucking amazing, so many good bands.

[aurora]

I agree with bits and pieces of almost everything said in this thread...

Suicide is a selfish thing to do, but I wouldn't call it cowardly. It is very inconsiderate though, if you are thinking about something like that and the thought of your loved ones doesn't cross your mind then ... I just don't understand that. And if it crosses your mind and you don't care then that is extremely selfish. Everyone thinks about it... it happens, people get upset, people get down, people get desperate... but that's part of living. I guess I just don't understand being hopeless enough to actually go through with it. Because I've felt like I've hit a dead end before... but when I think about it, I can always find hope.

Definitely always be as caring and helpful as possible because maybe that person just needs a release... or they need someone to help them see that the situation isn't as lost as they think... maybe they just need someone period.

I think only half of that made sense. Oh well, it's all been said anyway.