Music Wouldn't Be The Same Without Him

[Jared Kaufman]

Today is the 10th anniversary of Kurt Cobain's death. Just take a moment and reflect on the genius that he was. You could also spin some Nevermind or In Utero.

[JoeShow]

Today is the 10th anniversary of Kurt Cobain's death. Just take a moment and reflect on the genius that he was. You could also spin some Nevermind or In Utero.


im not gonna say he was a genius and leave it at that

but i recently watched a show that went into all the theories on his death, it was pretty interesting.

[Jason Tate]

i'll say he was a genius. and that nevermind was one of the first albums i ever bought.

[batteryboy]

Is it ok if I spin some Bleach or Incesticide?

[JoeShow]

i'll say he was a genius. and that nevermind was one of the first albums i ever bought.


same with me in regards to buying nevermind, but i dont think he is the musicial genius people put him out to be, but thats what happens when you die tragic and young

[losingstreakca]

pffft. music would of been fine without him

[Jared Kaufman]

same with me in regards to buying nevermind, but i dont think he is the musicial genius people put him out to be, but thats what happens when you die tragic and young

I guess some ppl don't realize before he even died how Nirvana changed the face of (alternative) rock music.

[Jared Kaufman]

Is it ok if I spin some Bleach or Incesticide?

Of course

[Jason Tate]

i doubt you would have 1/4th the bands you have today with out Nirvana.

[thenightlife]

i doubt you would have 1/4th the bands you have today with out Nirvana.

yeah but he still sucks

[falloutncambria]

without nirvana hair metal bands would still rule the airwaves

[losingstreakca]

nah im so positive that every band in my cd/record collection would have been around even if Nirvana was never around. i mean sure most shitty mainstream horrible bands wouldnt be around if it wasnt for them. but as for most of the bands everyone who comes here listens to, like i said would have been fine without him.

"without nirvana hair metal bands would still rule the airwaves"....there would be nothing wrong with that

[Ber430]

yeah but he still sucks

How can you possibly say he sucks? Your going to have to back that one up!

[phreaky]

without nirvana hair metal bands would still rule the airwaves

too bad nirvana did exist then. hairmetal rocks.

[Sellout Theory]

An amazing man. In his honor today I am going to read some of his journal

[Mercy Medical]

I can somewhat understand the big influence that Nirvana had of the bands today, but frankly, I'm not a fan and I don't understand why people like 'em so much...but that's just me. :/

[oxfordqueef]

you have to respect him. the guy did a lot for music. but as far as his genius goes... no way. he was made into a big deal because he killed himself.

hair-metal does rule. and if nirvana wouldn't have ceased to be, we wouldn't have had the Foo Fighters. Foo Fighters fucken rule.

[ericastd]

kurt cobain has abundent influence on any of your favorite bands. He came into the mainstream being the biggest rock band of our generation. His honest and brooding lyrics have paved the way for countless others like him. Genius yes, and i miss him.

[JoeShow]

you have to respect him. the guy did a lot for music. but as far as his genius goes... no way. he was made into a big deal because he killed himself.

i agree,

as far as hair metal still running the airwaves if nirvana had never been around, there were plenty of other bands that had the same impact that nirvana had in killing off hair metal

hair metal like all other music had its run, its was time for something new and if nirvana wasnt there to replace it someone else would have.

also i think dave grohl is more of a musical genius than mr. cobain

[Jason Priestley]

I'm curious, of course, how many people who have replied to these posts actually listened to his music while he was alive. I doubt many have yet they feel as though they can accurately assess his impact without listening to him in the context of that time period.

[JoeShow]

I'm curious, of course, how many people who have replied to these posts actually listened to his music while he was alive. I doubt many have yet they feel as though they can accurately assess his impact without listening to him in the context of that time period.


i listened to them growing up, granted i was 10 when nevermind came out so i had no idea the impact this band had, or anything other than i like the music they were making.

[Sellout Theory]

I'm curious, of course, how many people who have replied to these posts actually listened to his music while he was alive. I doubt many have yet they feel as though they can accurately assess his impact without listening to him in the context of that time period.
I did, I always loved them, I even went to one of their shows with my older brother. But its also like saying how many of us were alive during Evlis's time period? No many. Look how many people he influenced. Even like the doors, they influenced tons of people and I wasnt even alive during then, doesnt have to be during that context of time.

[ericastd]

I'm curious, of course, how many people who have replied to these posts actually listened to his music while he was alive. I doubt many have yet they feel as though they can accurately assess his impact without listening to him in the context of that time period.


i listened to his band, and liked him alot; as much i can love a band at 10 years old. but as i grow i apprieciate what he did for the music industry more and more. but its true when nirvania came out the shittiest music was popular with almost nothing for the kids to relate to.

[Fox Mulder]

First of all, without Kurt Cobain many bands around today would never have been inspired to even pick up a guitar in the first place. How can someone be inspired to play meaningful, heartfelt music by listening to Poison and Motley Crue? If you want the very distinct definition of "EMO," go and listen to Nirvana Unplugged since that retarded tag actually fits that album. Listen to Kurt sing "All Apologies" at that performance and tell me that he didn't put every last ounce of himself into his music. It really is a shame that we lost him as soon as we did. No other mainstream band has come even remotely close to being as creative and daring with their music (except maybe Radiohead, in a different sense). But above all, Nirvana and Kurt Cobain were a bonafide punk rock band in every sense of the term. Watch how Kurt fucked with MTV when they opened the VMA's by playing the first few lines of "Rape Me," a song they were told they were not aloud to play under any circumstances. He personafied everything that music should be and everything that music can be. To say otherwise is just ignorant.

[randall814]

the man was a genius in his ideals, not completely musically. and what i mean by that is, yes, some of his stuff was innovative, but he wasnt respected much when he was alive. the only reason his is a genius now is because he died a young and tragic death. but his ideals are genius...and i invite anyone who disagrees to read his journals.

[JoeShow]

First of all, without Kurt Cobain many bands around today would never have been inspired to even pick up a guitar in the first place. How can someone be inspired to play meaningful, heartfelt music by listening to Poison and Motley Crue? If you want the very distinct definition of "EMO," go and listen to Nirvana Unplugged since that retarded tag actually fits that album...

No other mainstream band has come even remotely close to being as creative and daring with their music (except maybe Radiohead, in a different sense). But above all, Nirvana and Kurt Cobain were a bonafide punk rock band in every sense of the term...

To say otherwise is just ignorant.


first off, who inspired Kurt to write meaningful, heartfelt music, if your logic is applied to him, he would be playing hair metal since it was the only mainstream band to be inspired by. also you can be inspired to write and play better music from watching a crap artist who is making it big in the industry

second, yes unplugged is as "emo" as it gets by todays standards of emo

third, calling nirvana creative and daring they were the first of many to hit the mainstream in with a similiar style, pearl jam was and alice in chains were right along with them, along with many one hit wonder bands that fit the style.

You seem to forget that there was a world outside of mainstream hair metal bands in during this time, RHCP were around and had radio success, before nirvana, there was a huge underground scene from which nirvana came from

[thenightlife]

How can you possibly say he sucks? Your going to have to back that one up!

hes a horrible singer...he writes shitty lyrics and has the most simple guitar parts ive ever heard. in conclusion, most overrated singer/guitarist in the history of the world

[Lueda Alia]

An amazing man. In his honor today I am going to read some of his journal

link?

[Phil507]

nah im so positive that every band in my cd/record collection would have been around even if Nirvana was never around. i mean sure most shitty mainstream horrible bands wouldnt be around if it wasnt for them. but as for most of the bands everyone who comes here listens to, like i said would have been fine without him.

"without nirvana hair metal bands would still rule the airwaves"....there would be nothing wrong with that

I see you are into Less Than Jake and Suicide Machines. I would bet my life on the fact that at least one of the members of each of those bands listened to Nirvana and that Nirvana had some influence on them.

[Lueda Alia]

I can somewhat understand the big influence that Nirvana had of the bands today, but frankly, I'm not a fan and I don't understand why people like 'em so much...but that's just me. :/

ditto.

[Lueda Alia]

I see you are into Less Than Jake and Suicide Machines. I would bet my life on the fact that at least one of the members of each of those bands listened to Nirvana and that Nirvana had some influence on them.

and? what does that have to do with anything?

[MattyD]

Most people on this board are to young to realize how Nirvana changed the face of rock music. Being 17 or 18 now you were 6 or 7 when Nirvana was at the tp of the game.

[Cky4rob]

Cobain is so overrated, just because he died young does not equal him being a genius. I'll admit that nevermind is definitely a great album, but definitely not of genius like proportions

[JAX]

I was 10 years old at the time and living in Seattle WA. Nirvana was my favorite band at the time. I was so heartbroken. I actually went to a few of the vigils. All over town you could see posters and makeshift memorials for him. Its hard to believe that he still lives on today. Thats what happens when influential rockers die well before their time. They live forever

[fowruok]

There are only a few acts since 1990 that have mattered as far as making non-derivative music in the mainstream.

Radiohead, Beck, Jane's Addiction and Nirvana (maybe I'm forgetting a band or two).

Unplugged is definitely one of my favorite albums of all time. Kurt's writing ability truly is what made him a musical genius.

[losingstreakca]

"I see you are into Less Than Jake and Suicide Machines. I would bet my life on the fact that at least one of the members of each of those bands listened to Nirvana and that Nirvana had some influence on them.
"

well yes i do love those 2 bands. but i listen to so many other bands besides them. i would bet my life that they listened to nirvana at one point in time also. but i would also bet anything & everything that both LTJ and the suicide machines would be around even without nirvana. im not saying they dont listen nirvina. but LTJ was influenced by snuff, descendents and op ivy. Suicide Machines were influenced by blag flag and op ivy. trust me both bands would be around without nirvana

im not saying that kurt cobain wasnt a big influnence on modern radio acts, because i know he was. shitty bands like puddle of mudd and disturbed etc etc would cease to exsist if it wasnt for nirvana. but as for the punk/ska/hardcore scene thats a different story.

[crayZbuzzard]

Kurt Cobain was a genius. He started an entire movement. I doubt this website would even be up if not for what he did for rock and roll. Anyone who says he sucks or disrespects him, is musically retarded.

[Love As Arson]

I wish he would have died before he made any music so I didn't have to hear about how much of a genius he was when really he was as derivative as those hair bands he was said to have destroyed.

[Jared Kaufman]

hes a horrible singer...he writes shitty lyrics and has the most simple guitar parts ive ever heard. in conclusion, most overrated singer/guitarist in the history of the world

I understand if you don't like his singing or even his guitar playing, but to label his lyrics as "shitty" is insane. Cobain wrote some of the most proflific / symbolic / heartfelt lyrics ever.

[oxfordqueef]

he did save rock-n-roll, but i'll never understand why.

the one thing i think we all can agree on is Courtney Love is a greedy coked-out whore.
:piss: courtney love

[Jared Kaufman]

Cobain is so overrated, just because he died young does not equal him being a genius. I'll admit that nevermind is definitely a great album, but definitely not of genius like proportions

I'm just curious, would you consider The Transplants to be better than Nirvana? Tim Armstrong better than Kurt Cobain?

[xJeremyx]

There are only a few acts since 1990 that have mattered as far as making non-derivative music in the mainstream.

Radiohead, Beck, Jane's Addiction and Nirvana (maybe I'm forgetting a band or two).

Unplugged is definitely one of my favorite albums of all time. Kurt's writing ability truly is what made him a musical genius.

I think smashing pumpkins and RHCP were fairly unique and obviously influential.

I personally love nirvana, even though I may only be 18. I really wasnt aware of the impact he made in music at the time, although I did see "heart shaped box" and a few other videos were they were first getting rotation on mtv, as well as seeing their episode of "unplugged" when it first aired. It really was tragic when he was murdered, and I wish I was older so I could have truly appreciated them at their prime.

[Jared Kaufman]

I think smashing pumpkins and RHCP were fairly unique and obviously influential.

I personally love nirvana, even though I may only be 18. I really wasnt aware of the impact he made in music at the time, although I did see "heart shaped box" and a few other videos were they were first getting rotation on mtv, as well as seeing their episode of "unplugged" when it first aired. It really was tragic when he was murdered, and I wish I was older so I could have truly appreciated them at their prime.

It has not been proven that he was "murdered," but I like how you slipped that in there as if it were nothing .. haha

[xJeremyx]

It has not been proven that he was "murdered," but I like how you slipped that in there as if it were nothing .. haha

yeah I know, suicide really is a valid explanation for the amount of drugs and depression he endured. I just never wanted to accept that and with all the theories and evidence supporting murder....meh why not. kind of like with elliott smith.

[HomeGrownHeros]

In simple terms, grunge is non-existent, and Kurt Cobain is no musical visionary. Nirvana plain and simple was a Punk band. Grunge is Punk. There is no distinction. Nirvana’s success and Cobain’s place as a rock and roll martyr are all due to timing. Pop-Culture is cyclical, liking different things at different times. The late 70’s and early 80’s marked the conception of punk and its heyday, but then gave way to the harder, more complicated hair-metal. Thus the market became over-saturated, and thus America wanted a return to simpler music. This happened to coincide with the discovery of Seattle’s local punk scene, and thus the scene was exploited. This has happened recently with the pop-punk and nu-metal explosions. As for Cobain’s martyrdom, I strongly believe that if Layne Staley or Eddie Vedder had done what Cobain had, they would be considered the “hero”.
Don’t get me wrong, Nirvana released good punk record. But they were neither innovational or had messages. I believe the praise that Cobain receives for being a genius, should be given to those more deserving such as Joe Strummer of The Clash or Joey Ramone of the Ramones, who truly did make a difference. If Nirvana had been a first generation punk band, they would have already been forgotten by history.

[Fox Mulder]

first off, who inspired Kurt to write meaningful, heartfelt music, if your logic is applied to him, he would be playing hair metal since it was the only mainstream band to be inspired by. also you can be inspired to write and play better music from watching a crap artist who is making it big in the industry

second, yes unplugged is as "emo" as it gets by todays standards of emo

third, calling nirvana creative and daring they were the first of many to hit the mainstream in with a similiar style, pearl jam was and alice in chains were right along with them, along with many one hit wonder bands that fit the style.

You seem to forget that there was a world outside of mainstream hair metal bands in during this time, RHCP were around and had radio success, before nirvana, there was a huge underground scene from which nirvana came from

I'm not sure how Nirvana can't be considered daring or creative just because two similar bands struck big at around the same time. Regardless, Nirvana paved the way for Pearl Jam and Alice in Chains to get as big as they did. Nirvana basically demolished rock radio and reinvented it at the same time. Granted, alot of the groups influenced by them were almost as bad as the hair metal that came before it but that's beside the point. What matters is that Nirvana and Kurt Cobain made music relevant again to a generation of kids that didn't buy into the coporate music bullshit that was being force-fed to them. Yes, RHCP were around before, i'm not debating that. What I'm saying is that radio and MTV were dominated by hair metal, with a few exceptions to the rule.

[bossman calling]

I was 11 when Nevermind came out. As someone who was just starting to notice rock music, and really hated the cheesiness of the hair metal shit out at the time, it was the greatest thing ever.

[NorthofSD]

I never even bought a nirvana cd....you know why?
Because there was a band called Greenday who put out a cd called Dookie...that's all I listen'd too (I like the foo fighters though)

[JoeShow]

I'm not sure how Nirvana can't be considered daring or creative just because two similar bands struck big at around the same time.

i just dont understand how they were so daring or creative when they are basically a punk band that made it big in the early 90's go listen to a underground punk cd from the same time period, you will find it is very similiar to nirvana.

What matters is that Nirvana and Kurt Cobain made music relevant again to a generation of kids that didn't buy into the coporate music bullshit that was being force-fed to them.


so the whole grunge scene was not coporate music being force fed to them, thats odd, seeing as how it was the sound that replaced hair metal, and gave the same coporate music industry something to force feed to the kids, these kids that bought into nirvana are the same kids that were listening to hair metal bands.

the music industry was (is) a cycle, every style has its time in the spotlight.

[Snake]

Plain and simple Kurt Cobain, Nirvana and every other band from Seattles underground saved music for a short peroid of time. Bow though in 2004 it almost looks as bad as it did pre-Nevermind? Who's going to be the next Savior ?

-PS- I think Courtney Love did it, she realsed an album shortly after and well has anyone seen that Family Guy flashback about Cobain and if he lived "This is my wife Counrtney"......"Who" LOL

[quitmyscene]

wore my kurt shit today, representin,yo.

and i was only just a little baby when nevermind came out.. wasn't even born when bleach came out. but i listen to the music now

[JoeShow]

Plain and simple Kurt Cobain, Nirvana and every other band from Seattles underground saved music for a short peroid of time. Bow though in 2004 it almost looks as bad as it did pre-Nevermind? Who's going to be the next Savior ?

-PS- I think Courtney Love did it, she realsed an album shortly after and well has anyone seen that Family Guy flashback about Cobain and if he lived "This is my wife Counrtney"......"Who" LOL


i dont think its as bad as in the early 90s, i think the accepted mainstream music is more diverse and bands never really go off and die anymore. (my theory is once you have a good run on MTV you can fall off the face of the earth for a few years and come back and be back on trl)

rap has a stronghold on the mainstream right now and will probably keep it for a while
american idol type pop has its own niche in the marketplace, there is never a shortage of teenage girls or soccer moms
metal/numetal will always have dumb jock/metal fans
mainstream alternative (what is it an alternative to?) will always be the home of random indie bands and corporate rock (well major label bought radio play) how else did puddle of mudd get on the radio
punk will always have its fans in the underground and the blinks/GC, simple plans will open kids to other punk bands


i also think courtney had something to do with it, alot of the random conspiracy theorys floating around have some good arguements about gun position and entry wounds with regards to how the body was found and the location of the gun

[Ber430]

hes a horrible singer...he writes shitty lyrics and has the most simple guitar parts ive ever heard. in conclusion, most overrated singer/guitarist in the history of the world

Are you crazy!? He is a great singer...he lyrics are heart felt...and maybe his guitar parts arent the most complicated things in the world, but sometimes simple is just the way to go! He learned how to play the guitar complety backwards...he played right handed and he was left handed

[xJbx]

They just don't make rock stars like they used to.

Here's to a return of '90's style.

[xJbx]

Oh, and Kurt's singing has the ability to shake the soul. It makes me feel the same as when I hear Janis Joplin or Robert Smith. Who needs a technically good singing voice. If we we're into that we'd be listening to opera. It's all about vocalization. Using the voice as an instrument to express emotion. That's rock and roll.

[JoeShow]

He learned how to play the guitar complety backwards...he played right handed and he was left handed

did he actually play reverse or did he just happen to restring a right handed guitar?

[byebyebeautiful]

link?

it's a book called kurt cobain: journals. very good, actually. you understand him a lot better if you read it.

[Amplifried]

:iamwithst
Nirvana was influential to the music world, no doubt, but I think Kurt Cobain's legendary status is some what exaggerated. His death and the mystery surrounding it served to amplify this anti-social epic. People tend to forget the contributions Dave Grohl made to made not only to Nirvana but also the ones he makes to music today. Though I'd hardly call him legendary either.

[Jacoby]

Kurt Cobain and Nirvana were (and still are) the most influencial rock musicians of the 90's. Even 10 years after Cobains death, his music is still around. People still listen to them are they are even on some radio rotations. Every once in a while I hear a Nirvana song, it's great.

I, personally, think that Courtney Love had something to do with his death. She could be innocent, but there's just so many inconclusions. Check out the book Who Killed Kurt Cobain?: The Mysterious Death of an Icon
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0806520744/ref=pd_sim_books_2/102-8573194-6252907?v=glance&s=books It is very informative and interesting.

To those who bash on Nirvana: Please, respect the band that changed the face of rock music. No need to let everyone know you don't like them.

[weworemasks]

yeah but he still sucks

wow, youre a fucking ignorant idiot. keep listening to all your music, not knowing where it came from

[Al11]

hes a horrible singer...he writes shitty lyrics and has the most simple guitar parts ive ever heard. in conclusion, most overrated singer/guitarist in the history of the world

I cannont believe someone who likes park and the starting line has just said that kurt cobain wrote shitty lyrics. I'm taking it your under the age of 17 and don't know much about music.

[weworemasks]

hes a horrible singer...he writes shitty lyrics and has the most simple guitar parts ive ever heard. in conclusion, most overrated singer/guitarist in the history of the world

youre still ignorant for saying that. for people whove listened to his music since the 5th grade, its about the emotion he put into his music, as well as his performances (i wasnt fortunate enough to see them in person, but ive seen countless videos) its not about guitar parts. his singing, and the lyrics he sang are insane. you really need to do some listening and rethink what you said. his lyrics are nowhere near as shitty as the starting lines, mr night life. (note: i dont hate the starting line)

[Fox Mulder]

i just dont understand how they were so daring or creative when they are basically a punk band that made it big in the early 90's go listen to a underground punk cd from the same time period, you will find it is very similiar to nirvana.




so the whole grunge scene was not coporate music being force fed to them, thats odd, seeing as how it was the sound that replaced hair metal, and gave the same coporate music industry something to force feed to the kids, these kids that bought into nirvana are the same kids that were listening to hair metal bands.

the music industry was (is) a cycle, every style has its time in the spotlight.

I agree with you to a certain extent. Hair metal was not nearly as popular in the early 90's, before Nirvana, as "grunge" was after Nirvana. The hair metal fad ended, I feel, after Guns N' Roses released Use Your Illusion I and II. People saw how amazing those albums were and understood that even though GNR was considered hair metal by some, they could play circles around a Motley Crue or Poison. The difference is that something is not being force-fed to you if you willingly accept it, as kids did in the early-mid 90's with grunge. I just really don't agree that the kids listening to Nirvana were the same ones listening to hair metal but that is your opinion which you are entitled to. This is just how I personally feel, I'm not trying to attack you in any way.

[X__inhope]

i'll say he was a genius. and that nevermind was one of the first albums i ever bought.

amen.

[poemtothedead]

Nirvana was a terrible band musically. Not to mention those "amazing, heartfelt" lyrics you speak of were just snippets of his mediocre poetry put together to form songs that didn't make any sense. His guitar playing was just shit that all begining guitarists could master (he even admitted that he wasn't that good).. and so what if he restrung a right handed guitar to play left handed, it really has no effect on the difficulty of playing. And though his diary won't prove of his genius, like some of you say, it will show that he had numeous disorders, imbalances and addictions which in my opinon are more on the verge of insanity than genius. For anyone to say that all the bands that I listen to were influenced by Nirvana is a downright ridiculous statment. Most of the bands that this site supports don't show even the tiniest bit of similarity or influence between playing, lyrical or vocal style and if they were as influential as you say, then that influence would surely have bled through, right? Nope. Though they did influence and have paved a success path for Cobain lovers like Fred Durst(he has a fucking kurt tattoo on his body)and Puddle of Mudd.. that however makes me dislike them a little more. And on to detroying Hair Metal. Do you know how much talent hair metal had? Though the novelty of poodle like hair did wear off quick, the guitar playing was the best you'll ever hear along with vocal talent and drumming skills. And yes at one time in my life I did love Nirvana, I even had a wall in my bedroom with their pictures covering it. But then I gained some music theory and realized they're about as good as any american garage band.

[JoeShow]

I agree with you to a certain extent. Hair metal was not nearly as popular in the early 90's, before Nirvana, as "grunge" was after Nirvana. The hair metal fad ended, I feel, after Guns N' Roses released Use Your Illusion I and II. People saw how amazing those albums were and understood that even though GNR was considered hair metal by some, they could play circles around a Motley Crue or Poison. The difference is that something is not being force-fed to you if you willingly accept it, as kids did in the early-mid 90's with grunge. I just really don't agree that the kids listening to Nirvana were the same ones listening to hair metal but that is your opinion which you are entitled to. This is just how I personally feel, I'm not trying to attack you in any way.

I think they (fans) willingly accepted it but it was still being force fed to them (along with the others who didnt jump on the bandwagon at the begining), the only reason i say this is i have seen a few random retrospectives (not all behind the music's) on the music scene in the late 80s early 90s and it was basically mainstream kids following the trend because it was something new. The only one that i can think of right now that you may have seen is Green Days behind the music or ultimate album for dookie, it showed a line to a concert where every kid had the same basic look, and acted the same way, these were mainstream kids from bumfuck idaho who were force fed the image by corporate radio and mtv.

i agree with saying the kids werent the same as the ones listening to hair metal basically because parents wouldnt let their younger kids listen to hair metal bands cause of the image, when grunge came around these kids were now a little older and could go to the mall and buy there own stuff, basically i guess there were two generations who listened to the two styles of music with a generation listening to both. i hope that makes some sense

nirvana was a good band, but i think Kurt became the martyr for the sound.

anyways its all opinion, to each his own

[saintjoel]

hes a horrible singer...he writes shitty lyrics and has the most simple guitar parts ive ever heard. in conclusion, most overrated singer/guitarist in the history of the world

congrats, thats stupidest thing i've ever read on this site, or perhaps all of the internet

[thenightlife]

wow, youre a fucking ignorant idiot. keep listening to all your music, not knowing where it came from
"my music" came from the bands that wrote it, not from fucking kurt cobain. i know youre all gonna say oh well he inspired all those bands. and fair enough, he probably did a very small amount as did hundreds of other musicians, yet without him im sure music would not be much different than it is today. if youre all about kurt cobain thats cool man im not gonna try and bash you for it but nirvana is just not my thing.

[Fox Mulder]

Nirvana was a terrible band musically. Not to mention those "amazing, heartfelt" lyrics you speak of were just snippets of his mediocre poetry put together to form songs that didn't make any sense. His guitar playing was just shit that all begining guitarists could master (he even admitted that he wasn't that good).. and so what if he restrung a right handed guitar to play left handed, it really has no effect on the difficulty of playing. And though his diary won't prove of his genius, like some of you say, it will show that he had numeous disorders, imbalances and addictions which in my opinon are more on the verge of insanity than genius. For anyone to say that all the bands that I listen to were influenced by Nirvana is a downright ridiculous statment. Most of the bands that this site supports don't show even the tiniest bit of similarity or influence between playing, lyrical or vocal style and if they were as influential as you say, then that influence would surely have bled through, right? Nope. Though they did influence and have paved a success path for Cobain lovers like Fred Durst(he has a fucking kurt tattoo on his body)and Puddle of Mudd.. that however makes me dislike them a little more. And on to detroying Hair Metal. Do you know how much talent hair metal had? Though the novelty of poodle like hair did wear off quick, the guitar playing was the best you'll ever hear along with vocal talent and drumming skills. And yes at one time in my life I did love Nirvana, I even had a wall in my bedroom with their pictures covering it. But then I gained some music theory and realized they're about as good as any american garage band.

Whoever your music theory teacher is sucks.

[poemtothedead]

Whoever your music theory teacher is sucks.

Based on what bro? You know how to play anything?? because if you did you'd understand how simple his guitar playing is.. not to mention any 13 year old could play it. Back it up.

[thenightlife]

Are you crazy!? He is a great singer...he lyrics are heart felt...and maybe his guitar parts arent the most complicated things in the world, but sometimes simple is just the way to go! He learned how to play the guitar complety backwards...he played right handed and he was left handed
if he played right handed when he was left handed then that just proves how much of a dumbass he is...haha

[poemtothedead]

congrats, thats stupidest thing i've ever read on this site, or perhaps all of the internet

actually the fact that you keep a quote about how stupid you are posted by Wark as your signature is the stupidest thing on the internet. theNightlife boy's got a point.

[bossman calling]

if he played right handed when he was left handed then that just proves how much of a dumbass he is...haha
Not everyone's parents buy them the perfect guitar like yours probably did for your shitty uninspired emo pop punk band. The fact that he made do with what he had, and STILL learned to shred on the guitar, dispite a major disadvantage, owns anything that "The Nightlife" will ever do. For someone in such a generic band, you should't talk so much shit about the accomplishments of others.

And besides, you list your top two favorite bands as being Fallout Boy and The Starting Line. That right there tells me you've only been into music for two years, tops. How old were you when Nirvana came out? Three? Ok, thanks.

[JoeShow]

The fact that he made do with what he had, and STILL learned to shred on the guitar, dispite a major disadvantage, .


its not a major disadvantage, he put new strings on the guitar in the proper order to play left handed. it makes no difference in learning to play if you play left or right handed.

[poemtothedead]

its not a major disadvantage, he put new strings on the guitar in the proper order to play left handed. it makes no difference in learning to play if you play left or right handed.

word to that bro.

[Fox Mulder]

Based on what bro? You know how to play anything?? because if you did you'd understand how simple his guitar playing is.. not to mention any 13 year old could play it. Back it up.

Hey "bro," if you wanna walk away from the keg stand for a second maybe i could explain this to you. I have been playing guitar for 8 years and yes most of his guitar parts are easy but the same thing is said about Jimmy Page. Would you go on record as saying that Jimmy Page is overrated simply because anyone can LEARN his guitar parts? I can read you A Farewell to Arms but that defnately doesn't mean I'm as good of a writer as Hemmingway. Being able to play a tab of a song and actually coming up with a song on your own are two completely different things. But he is more than a guitar player, you know. He also wrote amazing songs from time to time.

[Ber430]

Hey "bro," if you wanna walk away from the keg stand for a second maybe i could explain this to you. I have been playing guitar for 8 years and yes most of his guitar parts are easy but the same thing is said about Jimmy Page. Would you go on record as saying that Jimmy Page is overrated simply because anyone can LEARN his guitar parts? I can read you A Farewell to Arms but that defnately doesn't mean I'm as good of a writer as Hemmingway. Being able to play a tab of a song and actually coming up with a song on your own are two completely different things. But he is more than a guitar player, you know. He also wrote amazing songs from time to time.

No he didn't restring his guitar upside down!!! He actually played it backwards instead of his hand and fingers on the bottom of the neck they were on top....ive seen pictures and ive seen it in real life!

[JoeShow]

No he didn't restring his guitar upside down!!! He actually played it backwards instead of his hand and fingers on the bottom of the neck they were on top....ive seen pictures and ive seen it in real life!


Liar.

http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palladium/4356/1kurteq.htm

there were many other sites with the same info, this was just the first one to open up

i dont care if you were being sarcastic cause i doubt you would have the ability to remember something so trivial that happened when you were 10

[poemtothedead]

Hey "bro," if you wanna walk away from the keg stand for a second maybe i could explain this to you. I have been playing guitar for 8 years and yes most of his guitar parts are easy but the same thing is said about Jimmy Page. Would you go on record as saying that Jimmy Page is overrated simply because anyone can LEARN his guitar parts? I can read you A Farewell to Arms but that defnately doesn't mean I'm as good of a writer as Hemmingway. Being able to play a tab of a song and actually coming up with a song on your own are two completely different things. But he is more than a guitar player, you know. He also wrote amazing songs from time to time.

I'm not talking about playing a tab of a song, I'm talking about writing it. For the most part his songs were four power chords played in the same progression. He sucked as a writer. There are 15 year old kids out there writing the equivalent of his music right now. I didn't say anything about Jimmy Page.. but you're right.. he's respectable as a guitarist for knowing how to play a fucking solo and not just noise. But yeah Cobain wrote amazing songs like "Blew".. which would have been more appropriately titled if the words "My songs" had been preceding it.

"Is there another reason for your stain?
Could you believe him when you distrust his stain?
Here is another word that rhymes with shame"

Oh wow, I'm sorry that is genius.. gag.

Oh and sorry I forgot "bro" was only used by drunks at frat parties.

[poemtothedead]

No he didn't restring his guitar upside down!!! He actually played it backwards instead of his hand and fingers on the bottom of the neck they were on top....ive seen pictures and ive seen it in real life!

You're a fucking moron. If he did that I'd say he was an indcredible guitar player.. but instead he played a right handed guitar upside down with the strings tuned normally to EADGBE just like it would have been for any right handed player. And eventually he just bought a left handed guitar and played it the right way. Dumbass.

[Fox Mulder]

I'm not talking about playing a tab of a song, I'm talking about writing it. For the most part his songs were four power chords played in the same progression. He sucked as a writer. There are 15 year old kids out there writing the equivalent of his music right now. I didn't say anything about Jimmy Page.. but you're right.. he's respectable as a guitarist for knowing how to play a fucking solo and not just noise. But yeah Cobain wrote amazing songs like "Blew".. which would have been more appropriately titled if the words "My songs" had been preceding it.

"Is there another reason for your stain?
Could you believe him when you distrust his stain?
Here is another word that rhymes with shame"

Oh wow, I'm sorry that is genius.. gag.


Oh and sorry I forgot "bro" was only used by drunks at frat parties.

Jesus Christ, you really are a fucking idiot. Go listen to Bright Eyes or whoever it is that the indie police have told you to hold in such high regard.

P.S. The word bro is used only by frat guys and Brandon Walsh.

[Fox Mulder]

Jesus Christ, you really are a fucking idiot. Go listen to Bright Eyes or whoever it is that the indie police have told you to hold in such high regard.

P.S. The word bro is used only by frat guys and Brandon Walsh.

Holy shit. I just looked at your profile and saw the bands you listen to. I can't believe I carried on a conversation with someone as musically closed-minded as you. No wonder you don't like Nirvana. All the bands you listen to are derivative. I was arguing with you when I should have been helping you out. Here, go listen to these albums right away:

Guns N' Roses - Appetite for Destruction, GN'R Lies, Use Your Illusion I and II

Foo Fighters - Self Titled, Color and the Shape, There is Nothing Left to Lose, One by One

The Doors - The Best of the Doors

Led Zeppelin - Physical Graffitti

Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon, The Wall

Quicksand - Manic Compression, Self Titled, Slip

The Police - Everybreath You Take: The Classics, Synchronicity

N.W.A. - Greatest Hits

This is just a start. Do yourself a favor and listen to these, broaden your musical horizons.

[poemtothedead]

Holy shit. I just looked at your profile and saw the bands you listen to. I can't believe I carried on a conversation with someone as musically closed-minded as you. No wonder you don't like Nirvana. All the bands you listen to are derivative. I was arguing with you when I should have been helping you out. Here, go listen to these albums right away:

Guns N' Roses - Appetite for Destruction, GN'R Lies, Use Your Illusion I and II

Foo Fighters - Self Titled, Color and the Shape, There is Nothing Left to Lose, One by One

The Doors - The Best of the Doors

Led Zeppelin - Physical Graffitti

Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon, The Wall

Quicksand - Manic Compression, Self Titled, Slip

The Police - Everybreath You Take: The Classics, Synchronicity

N.W.A. - Greatest Hits

This is just a start. Do yourself a favor and listen to these, broaden your musical horizons.

Pff, you're the fucking idiot. Actually I grew up listening to everyone of those bands and I listen to more 80's metal bands than you can probably name. Don't assume you know me because I listed some Punk/Post-Hardcore bands that you don't like. I listen to a variety of things, from Queen, Journey and Whitesnake to Elton John and Billy Joel to Darkest Hour and As I Lay Dying.. I wouldn't exactly call that close minded. I at one point had every Nirvana cd and I loved the band. But once I grew as a musician I just couldn't appreciate Kurt Cobain as a guitarist or anything else for that matter. Grunge was talentless music, simple playing and nasty vocals that came in and wiped away some of the best bands we've ever had. The 80's were an era filled with talent, complex vocal harmonies, incredible guitar leads, and powerful drum playing. How you can go from that to grunge just baffles the hell out of me but that was the fad and it ended off for the most part all the talent in mainstream music, only to be worsened by what was known as 90's pop.


and for the record I hate Bright Eyes.

[Fox Mulder]

Pff, you're the fucking idiot. Actually I grew up listening to everyone of those bands and I listen to more 80's metal bands than you can probably name. Don't assume you know me because I listed some Punk/Post-Hardcore bands that you don't like. I listen to a variety of things, from Queen, Journey and Whitesnake to Elton John and Billy Joel to Darkest Hour and As I Lay Dying.. I wouldn't exactly call that close minded. I at one point had every Nirvana cd and I loved the band. But once I grew as a musician I just couldn't appreciate Kurt Cobain as a guitarist or anything else for that matter. Grunge was talentless music, simple playing and nasty vocals that came in and wiped away some of the best bands we've ever had. The 80's were an era filled with talent, complex vocal harmonies, incredible guitar leads, and powerful drum playing. How you can go from that to grunge just baffles the hell out of me but that was the fad and it ended off for the most part all the talent in mainstream music, only to be worsened by what was known as 90's pop.


and for the record I hate Bright Eyes.

Dude, I can name more 80's metal than you think. I saw Guns N' Roses and Skid Row at the Pacific Ampitheater in Costa Mesa, CA 12 years ago. I've seen Aerosmith, Tesla, Cinderella, Warrant, Motley Crue, Bon Jovi, Slaughter, Soundgarden and Poison just to name a few. And as mush as I loved those bands, they cannot hold a candle to the emotional and creative music of Nirvana (except GN'R). I strongly disagree that "cock-rock" is a more creative and challenging form of music to write than the music Kurt Cobain is known for. But at least we can agree on Bright Eyes.

[poemtothedead]

But at least we can agree on Bright Eyes.

word to that. I think we're done with this, neither of us are backing down. So kudos to you. So what was it like seeing GnR? I wish I could've seen them and not that weak ass newly formed cover band with Axl fronting it.

[Fox Mulder]

word to that. I think we're done with this, neither of us are backing down. So kudos to you. So what was it like seeing GnR? I wish I could've seen them and not that weak ass newly formed cover band with Axl fronting it.

GN'R were amazing but Axl threw one of his tantrums and left the stage in the middle of Estranged. He never came back out. Slash and Duff and Matt and Izzy all jammed on stage for a few minutes, i guess half expecting Axl to come back out and finish the set. He never did, but they had already played for 2 1/2 hours so i didn't feel ripped off or anything. I was only 10 but i remember it vividly. Yeah, Axl definately need to swallow his pride and get back with Slash and the rest of the guys because this new GN'R album is going to go unnoticed if it is ever released and Velvet Revolver isn't that special. I heard that some guy offerd the original members like $25 million to do a reunion show but Axl turned it down. Maybe one day though.

[saintjoel]

actually the fact that you keep a quote about how stupid you are posted by Wark as your signature is the stupidest thing on the internet. theNightlife boy's got a point.

haha i decided to check back on this thread for fun, hillarious. i found that wark quote to be very funny, hence the placing in my sig (and it doesnt say anything about me being stupid, i had just pissed off wark), lemme guess he's your favorite news poster on this site?

the night life is just an ingornant little pop-punk kid with a computer, you are much more pathetic, i bet you watch horror movies because the screaming in them sounds like good music to you.

[poemtothedead]

lemme guess he's your favorite news poster on this site?

the night life is just an ingornant little pop-punk kid with a computer, you are much more pathetic, i bet you watch horror movies because the screaming in them sounds like good music to you.



I wasn't aware we were to pick favorite news posters, but now that you say it, yeah.. I have been collecting Absolute Punk staff trading cards and my prize possession and personal favorite is my Jon Wark in a bikini card. By the way, I'll trade anyone on this site my Jason Tate in a school girl uniform for the rare Kamtin with a monkey in his ass card.


I'm not even sure about that "horror movie screaming" line up there. But I do love the newer horror movie soundtracks, some killer bands are on them like Korn, Adema, Puddle of Mudd, Staind, Bush and Mudvayne. Man those are some awesome bands.

Pff. Alright, let it be known that I went way too far for the sake of sarcasm by saying that those are good bands.
Please forgive my earlier personal attack, I was in a ranting mood.

[poemtothedead]

GN'R were amazing but Axl threw one of his tantrums and left the stage in the middle of Estranged. He never came back out. Slash and Duff and Matt and Izzy all jammed on stage for a few minutes, i guess half expecting Axl to come back out and finish the set. He never did, but they had already played for 2 1/2 hours so i didn't feel ripped off or anything. I was only 10 but i remember it vividly. Yeah, Axl definately need to swallow his pride and get back with Slash and the rest of the guys because this new GN'R album is going to go unnoticed if it is ever released and Velvet Revolver isn't that special. I heard that some guy offerd the original members like $25 million to do a reunion show but Axl turned it down. Maybe one day though.

That's so friggin rad to have been able to see them. Slash is one of my favorite guitarists of all time and I just find it funny how the "new" G'n'R have been known to bring out up to four guitarists to make up for original members. But if they ever do "bury the hatchet" and tour once again, it will be my personal goal to see them at least once in my lifetime.

And Buckethead?? HaHa, I guess they recently kicked him out of the new line up. What a weird man, in almost every personal interview he's gone into, he has brought out a sock puppet and used a high pitched voice making the puppet answer questions for him while talking in the third person.