Wilco (Official Thread)

[Foxholes]

You know the drill, discuss.

[Kid B]

Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
The rest isn't nearly as good. Well, I like Summerteeth, but the rest, ughh.

[chipdip18]

I've seen the band pop up a few times, i haven't really checked them out though. Judging by my musical preferences, would i like them?

[Inthenickoftime]

Wilco is amazing

Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
The rest isn't nearly as good. Well, I like Summerteeth, but the rest, ughh.

Not true at all.

[hockeyguitar99]

most people seem to like yankee hotel foxtrot the best, but my favorite is sky blue sky, I think its really a beautiful album.

[IWasaCamera]

Yankee Hotel Foxtrot is their only great album. Being There and A Ghost Is Born are also good. The rest isn't worth your time.

[Osto]

Yankee Hotel Foxtrot is probably their best, But Summerteeth and Being There are fantastic as well. A Ghost Is Born is just a failed attempt at further experimentation and thank God they bounced back with the pretty good Sky Blue Sky.

[bowl of oranges]

I only have Yankee Hotel Foxtrot, but I enjoy it very much.

[Osto]

Pick up Being There and Summerteeth.

[MickiMayhem]

have they been on any big festivals or tours with larger bands?
i've never heard of them. which is suprising.

[Osto]

Well, theyre not exactly your style of music.

[KidRobot]

have they been on any big festivals or tours with larger bands?
i've never heard of them. which is suprising.

lol...

[Dr. Acula]

I swear this is the 500th Wilco thread....anyway, one of my all time favorites. Yankee Hotel Foxtrot is amazing.....Being There and A Ghost is Born are both fantastic too.

Wasnt a big fan of Sky Blue Sky at all.

[KidRobot]

I swear this is the 500th Wilco thread....anyway, one of my all time favorites.

I thought that too but my search came up empty. :shrug:

[MickiMayhem]

Well, theyre not exactly your style of music.

i have many styles. whats their genre?

[hockeyguitar99]

i have many styles. whats their genre?

Altcountry

[MickiMayhem]

Altcountry

holy crap. your right, i dont like them. lol
i looked them up, i'm not a sucker for his style.

[Praetor]

I liked Sky Blue Sky, other than not being Yankee Hotel Foxtrot I can't see why anybody didn't like it. I mean it's definitely their worst album but it was decent.

[handlikesecret]

i liked Sky Blue Sky, but i haven't heard YHF yet. i should probably get on that.

[hockeyguitar99]

i liked Sky Blue Sky, but i haven't heard YHF yet. i should probably get on that.

You really, really, should.

[HangsLikeHeaven]

This band is gold.

[handlikesecret]

You really, really, should.
don't you worry, i will.

[yoyoninjagirl]

Summerteeth!

[Osto]

I've probably listened to Summerteeth more than all of their other albums combined simply because it's the only one thats a fun listen. YHF is a work of art and all, but you can't drive around town to it the way you can Summerteeth.

[El_Jeffe]

I liked Sky Blue Sky, other than not being Yankee Hotel Foxtrot I can't see why anybody didn't like it. I mean it's definitely their worst album but it was decent.

i'm with this fella. i actually enjoyed sky blue sky to an extent, still listen to it occasionally too, decent indeed. great band overall

they go on some strange tours though, i know of a tour with buddy guy & another with xavier rudd haha. both great artists, but what a mix of sounds

[IWasaCamera]

have they been on any big festivals or tours with larger bands?
i've never heard of them. which is suprising.
They're huge.
A Ghost Is Born is just a failed attempt at further experimentation and thank God they bounced back with the pretty good Sky Blue Sky.
Disagree on both counts.
i have many styles. whats their genre?
Rock.
Altcountry
Not really.
I mean it's definitely their worst album but it was decent.
It's better than A.M.

[Osto]

I like the overall style of music that they were making on AGIB but I don't really feel the overall songwritting is up to par with their other releases and I end up finding myself skipping to the next song more often then not. While I'm not a fan of SBS's particular sound, I can at least make it through the record without getting totally frustrated.

[hockeyguitar99]

They're huge.

Disagree on both counts.

Rock.

Not really.

It's better than A.M.

Wikipedia says Alternative Country :-p

[Praetor]

They're huge.

Disagree on both counts.

Rock.

Not really.

It's better than A.M.
Well I forgot about AM, never really gave it a good listen. I meant the ones that I had listened to a decent amount.

[FeynmanWannabe]

Just listen to Uncle Tupelo instead.

[IWasaCamera]

I like the overall style of music that they were making on AGIB but I don't really feel the overall songwritting is up to par with their other releases and I end up finding myself skipping to the next song more often then not. While I'm not a fan of SBS's particular sound, I can at least make it through the record without getting totally frustrated.
A few very good songs, several not so good. I can't say I listen to A Ghost Is Born all the way through either, which is frustrating (as you said) since I'm very much of an album man.
Wikipedia says Alternative Country :-p
Cool.
Well I forgot about AM, never really gave it a good listen. I meant the ones that I had listened to a decent amount.
Just listen to Uncle Tupelo instead.
Yep.

[Dr. Acula]

Just listen to Uncle Tupelo instead.

What he said.

[hockeyguitar99]

A few very good songs, several not so good. I can't say I listen to A Ghost Is Born all the way through either, which is frustrating (as you said) since I'm very much of an album man.

Cool.


Yep.

I sounded sort of like a douche bag there. I actually originally found that classification in the book that Greg Kot wrote about them.

[IWasaCamera]

I sounded sort of like a douche bag there. I actually originally found that classification in the book that Greg Kot wrote about them.
Doesn't make it any more accurate. Only Wilco releases I'd call alt-country are A.M. and Being There.

[hockeyguitar99]

Doesn't make it any more accurate. Only Wilco releases I'd call alt-country are A.M. and Being There.

Fair enough, I was just giving you a source that was a little more accurate than wikipedia.

[wewascontenders]

Finally about to check them out. What else should I check besides YHF?

[IWasaCamera]

Fair enough, I was just giving you a source that was a little more accurate than wikipedia.
If the book was published after the release of Yankee Hotel Foxtrot, the author is way off.

[hockeyguitar99]

If the book was published after the release of Yankee Hotel Foxtrot, the author is way off.

i guess you're right, I believe it was published very soon after the release of YHF. I think it talks about it towards the end of the book, but I can't remember for sure.

[Troggy]

Finally about to check them out. What else should I check besides YHF?

I love Being There, but most people on here don't listen to it much

[mrzippo3]

If you're a Wilco fan, I have to suggest Warm in the Wake (http://www.myspace.com/warminthewake)

[EchoPark]

A Ghost Is Born mofo's

[MJS87]

YHF is a masterpiece - if "Reservations" doesn't make you choke up a bit, you're obviously dead inside.

[FeynmanWannabe]

I love Being There, but most people on here don't listen to it much
I love a couple tracks on there, especially "I Got You (At the End of the Century)".

[HangsLikeHeaven]

You Are My Face is my jam today.

[Troggy]

I love a couple tracks on there, especially "I Got You (At the End of the Century)".

Yeah, I also love "Misunderstood", that one is my favorite.

[FeynmanWannabe]

Yeah, I also love "Misunderstood", that one is my favorite.
That's the one I played right after I Got You when I was posting. haha

[Dr. Acula]

Yeah, I also love "Misunderstood", that one is my favorite.

One of my favorites. and I love that album. The live version of "Misunderstood" from the double disc live album, is soooo fucking good

[Troggy]

That's the one I played right after I Got You when I was posting. haha

:-D

[IWasaCamera]

Being There is actually rather highly regarded here. Probably the overall third favorite behind YHF and Summerteeth.

[HangsLikeHeaven]

This band can do no wrong.

[IWasaCamera]

Completely disagree.

[A Love American]

Best song on YHF = Ashes of American Flags. God I love YHF.

[IWasaCamera]

Ashes > Jesus Etc.

[funkel]

I Am Trying To Break Your Heart > all

[IWasaCamera]

Close. They're still easily top two.

[llwilliamsll]

I Am Trying to Break Your Heart is still one of my favorite opening tracks to an album.

[funkel]

I love when everything in that track just falls apart near the end. Aural bliss.

[HangsLikeHeaven]

Mmmm.

[IWasaCamera]

Love the Krautrock influence all over YHF. Would not be the same album without it.

[funkel]

Krautrock i'm assuming referrs to some sort of German-influence music, but I'm not familiar with it...

Mike, whose your avatar?

[HangsLikeHeaven]

Ryan Adams

[funkel]

I think i listened to some of his stuff and wasn't liking it.

Maybe it's because I hate vocals lately.

[IWasaCamera]

Krautrock i'm assuming referrs to some sort of German-influence music, but I'm not familiar with it...Yep, experimental music that appeared in Germany toward the late 60's. Neu!, Can, and Faust are probably the best known bands in the genre if any of those ring a bell.

[funkel]

Nope. Good stuff?

[MyWorldEntire]

Yankee Hotel Foxtrot is one of my favorite albums of all time, but for some reason I've never listened to any of the band's other albums. Which album should I listen to next?

[chipdip18]

I only have Yankee Hotel Foxtrot and i enjoy it, but i don't know if i want anything else from their discography yet.

[MyWorldEntire]

The main reason I haven't listened to anything else is that I've heard mixed reviews on most of their discography, especially the albums post-YHF

[chipdip18]

Mmm gotcha. Same here too actually.

[Osto]

Being There is their trying to escape their roots record. It's awesome.
Summerteeth is their pop record. It's fantastic.
A Ghost is Born is their "experimental" record. It's good but inconsistent.
Sky Blue Sky is their "dad rock" record (coined by pitchfork). It's pretty good too. It's probably the most far removed from the rest of their discography though.

Summerteeth and Being There are great. The other two are worth the listen as well.

[Osto]

I'll give you that. I usually listen to one half at a time as if the other didn't exist. I'm surprised you didn't beat me for not liking AGIB that much. Was it you that enjoyed it a lot more than the others? Other than YHF of course.

[Justin_stacy]

They are all good but none other than YHF are really great. Being There is too long. Would make a good single record.

Long ha.....You're nuts Lunch, Being There is not only their finest album but its one of the best releases of my life time.

Its a complete record.

[MyWorldEntire]

Long ha.....You're nuts Lunch, Being There is not only their finest album but its one of the best releases of my life time.

Its a complete record.

Never listened to BT, but I would be downright shocked if it could top YHF

[Justin_stacy]

Never listened to BT, but I would be downright shocked if it could top YHF

With Wilco you're basically talking two different bands/eras. Pre- and Post- SummerTeeth. Being There, while being an unquestionably better (and more enjoyable) album then Yankee, has an entirely different style, sound and feel. You never mistake the two.

If Yankee was your introduction to Wilco, chances are you might not like Being There's more Americana, Uncle Tupelo, vibe. It sounds nothing like Yankee, and for me that's a good thing. I haven't liked anything, except Sky, since Summerteeth.

[MyWorldEntire]

With Wilco you're basically talking two different bands/eras. Pre- and Post- SummerTeeth. Being There, while being an unquestionably better (and more enjoyable) album then Yankee, has an entirely different style, sound and feel. You never mistake the two.

If Yankee was your introduction to Wilco, chances are you might not like Being There's more Americana, Uncle Tupelo, vibe. It sounds nothing like Yankee, and for me that's a good thing. I haven't liked anything, except Sky, since Summerteeth.

Well at least I won't go into the listening experience expecting something like YHF

[El_Jeffe]

i enjoy just about everything i've heard from this band, even sky blue sky

after their stint with the 7 worlds collide (http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?p=32304312) project, there's a rumour wilco have extended their stay here in new zealand to record their new album in neil finn's wonderful recording studio, roundhead records

[chipdip18]

That is an awesome rumor haha.

[El_Jeffe]

tim finn also recorded his new album, the conversation, there last year. what an album. have you heard that yet jacob? if not, i'll certainly make sure you have the chance to next time i catch you online mate. it's a new recording studio, but some big names & some incredible records have already made their way out through those sweet sound saturated walls

[Dr. Acula]

Been listening to Kicking Television all day. Has to be one of the best live albums ever captured.

[Dr. Acula]

Being There <3 I need a new album dammit.

[Justin_stacy]

Being There <3 I need a new album dammit.

tried any Tupelo or Golden Smog?

[Dr. Acula]

tried any Tupelo or Golden Smog?

Tupelo, of course! Golden Smog, no.

[Justin_stacy]

Tupelo, of course! Golden Smog, no.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Smog

Their best album is Weird Tales from 1998. Tweedy sings lead on about every fourth song. You should be able to find it on any download site.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c7/Weird_Tales.jpg


http://www.myspace.com/goldensmog (only has their new stuff on it)

[CellarGhosts]

bump.

finally starting to get into this band.

[Justin_stacy]

Welcome to 1996 :bow:

[IWasaCamera]

Atta boy, Chris.

[chipdip18]

Yankee Hotel Foxtrot is a good album.

[Justin_stacy]

bump.

finally starting to get into this band.

which era?

[mattybobviously]

Jeff Tweedy solo show - do I buy tickets?

[CellarGhosts]

which era?
I have A.M., Sky Blue Sky and Yankee Hotel Foxtrot.

Atta boy, Chris.
Hah thanks. :-d

[Dr. Acula]

Yankee Hotel Foxtrot is the best thing they've done yet. I loved A Ghost Is Born though. Sky Blue Sky, not so much.

[Dr. Acula]

I have A.M., Sky Blue Sky and Yankee Hotel Foxtrot.

You should def check out their double album "Being There". Some of their best work.

[CellarGhosts]

You should def check out their double album "Being There". Some of their best work.
Will do.


And I don't get what's so bad about Sky Blue Sky...I'm really liking it.

[Dr. Acula]

Will do.


And I don't get what's so bad about Sky Blue Sky...I'm really liking it.

I dont think it's "bad" per say, I just think there's something lacking that I love about the bulk of their work. I love the guitar leads on Sky Blue Sky....Nell's is a crazy ass guitar player but alot of the songs just fall flat for me. I will say, "Impossible Germany" is beautiful.

[CellarGhosts]

I dont think it's "bad" per say, I just think there's something lacking that I love about the bulk of their work. I love the guitar leads on Sky Blue Sky....Nell's is a crazy ass guitar player but alot of the songs just fall flat for me. I will say, "Impossible Germany" is beautiful.
I gotcha. "Impossible Germany" is def awesome.

[Justin_stacy]

I have A.M., Sky Blue Sky and Yankee Hotel Foxtrot.



Oh' man you're missing Being There. One of my top five albums ever. Probably the only double album I own that is filler free.

WSZh5hR5AK0

doesn't get much better then that.

[CellarGhosts]

Oh' man you're missing Being There. One of my top five albums ever. Probably the only double album I own that is filler free.

WSZh5hR5AK0

doesn't get much better then that.
considering you and Eric both recommending me this album, I'll be sure to check it out soon. that song you posted is great stuff.

[Dr. Acula]

"Misunderstood" is one of the best opening songs ever. It's even better on the "Kicking Television" live album. Give's me chills.


"I'd like to thank you all...for nothin...I'd like to thank you all for nothin at all....I'd like thank you all for NOTHIN, NOTHIN, NOTHIN, NOTHIN, NOTHIN, NOTHIN, NOTHIN, NOTHIN, NOTHIN, NOTHIN, AT ALL."

X.

[CellarGhosts]

Haha I really need to check this album out now.

[Dr. Acula]

Jeff Tweedy solo show - do I buy tickets?

Yes.

[FeynmanWannabe]

Jeff Tweedy solo show - do I buy tickets?
Yes - anyone else hear the Letters to Santa Benefit Living Room Concert?

[chipdip18]

I watched a documentary on Yankee Hotel Foxtrot, so i felt the need to bump. Great album indeed. Listening now.

[IWasaCamera]

Decent film.

[chipdip18]

Well i got to watch in class today instead of a lecture, so i was thankful for it.

[CellarGhosts]

As a recently converted Wilco fan, I actually like A.M. more than Yankee Hotel Foxtrot. :shrug: Those two albums and Sky Blue Sky are the only ones I've got so far though. Gonna look into Being There real soon.

[theguy77]

man wtf a documentary on YHF in a class? why does my college fucking blow i never get anything cool like that

[chipdip18]

This was in my audio recording class too though.

[theguy77]

yeah UMD doesnt have one of those.

fuck my life

[IWasaCamera]

As a recently converted Wilco fan, I actually like A.M. more than Yankee Hotel Foxtrot. :shrug: Those two albums and Sky Blue Sky are the only ones I've got so far though. Gonna look into Being There real soon.
Having a rough knowledge of your taste, it makes sense that you'd lean toward Wilco's alt-country side. Being There is quite good too although I'll always prefer YHF for its irresistible poppiness and krautrock flourishes.

[chipdip18]

After hearing Yankee Hotel Foxtrot, i can't lean toward the alt. country albums as much.

That being said, Radio Cure and Ashes of American Flags are probably my two favorite songs.

[CellarGhosts]

Having a rough knowledge of your taste, it makes sense that you'd lean toward Wilco's alt-country side. Being There is quite good too although I'll always prefer YHF for its irresistible poppiness and krautrock flourishes.
Mhmm. Don't get me wrong, YHF is definitely awesome, but I do tend to lean more towards the alt.country side. Really looking forward to listening to Being There. I previewed some of the songs online and it sounds great.

Also, thoughts on A Ghost Is Born? I need to look into that one too, sometime. I've kind of heard mixed opinions.

[IWasaCamera]

Mhmm. Don't get me wrong, YHF is definitely awesome, but I do tend to lean more towards the alt.country side. Really looking forward to listening to Being There. I previewed some of the songs online and it sounds great.

Also, thoughts on A Ghost Is Born? I need to look into that one too, sometime. I've kind of heard mixed opinions.
I think you'll really dig Being There. Oh, if you've heard the Sky Blue Sky b-side The Thanks I Get, there's an acoustic Jeff Tweedy version out there which is stellar and right up your alley as well.

As for A Ghost Is Born, quickest description I can muster is that it's YHF's indulgent younger sibling.

[ThePartialGlow]

Anybody ever heard Billy Bragg/Wilco Mermaid Avenue? California Stars is one of my favorite songs of all time.

[Dr. Acula]

A Ghost is Born is ace. Really good album considering the hype they had to follow after YHF. Not as good as YHF but still pretty damn solid.

[CellarGhosts]

I think you'll really dig Being There. Oh, if you've heard the Sky Blue Sky b-side The Thanks I Get, there's an acoustic Jeff Tweedy version out there which is stellar and right up your alley as well.

As for A Ghost Is Born, quickest description I can muster is that it's YHF's indulgent younger sibling.
Sweet, glad to hear it. And no, I haven't heard that b-side yet, but I'll look into that as well. Thanks for the tip.

Haha, I gotcha. I'll still give it a listen. But it seems, to me at least, that that's most people's least favorite Wilco release. Either that one or Sky Blue Sky. Could just be me, though.

[IWasaCamera]

Anybody ever heard Billy Bragg/Wilco Mermaid Avenue? California Stars is one of my favorite songs of all time.
Woody Guthrie, Billy Bragg, and Wilco. What's not to like?

[chipdip18]

Sweet, glad to hear it. And no, I haven't heard that b-side yet, but I'll look into that as well. Thanks for the tip.

Haha, I gotcha. I'll still give it a listen. But it seems, to me at least, that that's most people's least favorite Wilco release. Either that one or Sky Blue Sky. Could just be me, though.


Maybe it's just like what Eric is getting it; they had to follow up Yankee Hotel Foxtrot.

[jim ross]

dig

[ThePartialGlow]

http://wilcoworld.net/records/bonus/

Fans need to check out the acoustic Tweedy album. Think, Wilco's version of Nirvana Unplugged in New York.

[CellarGhosts]

Maybe it's just like what Eric is getting it; they had to follow up Yankee Hotel Foxtrot.
Yeah, I hear ya.

[chipdip18]

Yeah, I hear ya.

Yeah, well whatever. If you enjoy them, you enjoy them.

[Dr. Acula]

http://wilcoworld.net/records/bonus/

Fans need to check out the acoustic Tweedy album. Think, Wilco's version of Nirvana Unplugged in New York.

I bought the DVD and it comes with a free link to the mp3's of the acoustic set. It's a sweet set of tunes. The acoustic version of "Im Trying To Break Your Heart" is great.

[CellarGhosts]

Yeah, well whatever. If you enjoy them, you enjoy them.
Mhmm. I'm not expecting to dislike A Ghost Is Born or anything. But I am really anticipating giving Being There a listen.

[IWasaCamera]

Sweet, glad to hear it. And no, I haven't heard that b-side yet, but I'll look into that as well. Thanks for the tip.

Haha, I gotcha. I'll still give it a listen. But it seems, to me at least, that that's most people's least favorite Wilco release. Either that one or Sky Blue Sky. Could just be me, though.
As already mentioned, they had to live up to impossible standards. Personally, I'd say it's right in the middle of Wilco's discography ahead of Sky Blue Sky and behind Summerteeth.
http://wilcoworld.net/records/bonus/

Fans need to check out the acoustic Tweedy album. Think, Wilco's version of Nirvana Unplugged in New York.
The version of The Thanks I Get I alluded to earlier is from this.

[chipdip18]

Mhmm. I'm not expecting to dislike A Ghost Is Born or anything. But I am really anticipating giving Being There a listen.

Oh i gotcha now. Well I'm looking forward to checking out A Ghost Is Born since i enjoy the type of sound that Yankee Hotel Foxtrot offers. I think that we enjoy the other opposite spectrum of their discography haha. But hey, all in all, it's solid.

[CellarGhosts]

As already mentioned, they had to live up to impossible standards. Personally, I'd say it's right in the middle of Wilco's discography ahead of Sky Blue Sky and behind Summerteeth.

The version of The Thanks I Get I alluded to earlier is from this.
Right, I know what you're saying. I think Sky Blue Sky is pretty solid. I don't like it as much as Yankee Hotel Foxtrot, I don't think, but still, I think it's good.

[Dr. Acula]

This thread has inspired me to take a break from P.O.S. and throw on some Being There. Weird transition.

[CellarGhosts]

Oh i gotcha now. Well I'm looking forward to checking out A Ghost Is Born since i enjoy the type of sound that Yankee Hotel Foxtrot offers. I think that we enjoy the other opposite spectrum of their discography haha. But hey, all in all, it's solid.
Haha, true, but yeah, all good stuff. I'm glad I've decided to give them a proper listen/get more into their work.

[HangsLikeHeaven]

This thread has inspired me to take a break from P.O.S. and throw on some Being There. Weird transition.

I love you.

[chipdip18]

Haha, true, but yeah, all good stuff. I'm glad I've decided to give them a proper listen/get more into their work.

I'm glad i did too. Great artist.

[CellarGhosts]

This thread has inspired me to take a break from P.O.S. and throw on some Being There. Weird transition.
Haha, you really are loving that P.O.S. aren't you? Nothing wrong with that, of course.

I'm glad i did too. Great artist.
Definitely :highfive:

[IWasaCamera]

Right, I know what you're saying. I think Sky Blue Sky is pretty solid. I don't like it as much as Yankee Hotel Foxtrot, I don't think, but still, I think it's good.
It's alright. A bit of a letdown for me since I was looking forward to them further exploring YHF/AGIB territory.

[Dr. Acula]

I love you.

<3

[chipdip18]

Haha, you really are loving that P.O.S. aren't you? Nothing wrong with that, of course.


Definitely :highfive:
:highfive: Returned.

[HangsLikeHeaven]

<3

Wilco, P.O.S., and Cecil Otter is all I've listened to for the past 5 days or so.

[Dr. Acula]

Haha, you really are loving that P.O.S. aren't you? Nothing wrong with that, of course.

Iam! Solid, solid album but we know that :nod:

It's alright. A bit of a letdown for me since I was looking forward to them further exploring YHF/AGIB territory.

And I agree with you here. I dont think it's a TERRIBLE album but I was expecting something else. Too much miss and not enough hit with that album. I still love the guitar work though. Nell's leads are insane.

[Dr. Acula]

Wilco, P.O.S., and Cecil Otter is all I've listened to for the past 5 days or so.

Awesomeness. Though, I havent checked out Cecil Otter. You got a Lastfm Mike? If so, you should add me.

[HangsLikeHeaven]

Awesomeness. Though, I havent checked out Cecil Otter. You got a Lastfm Mike? If so, you should add me.

Check out Rebel Yellow immediately. He's in the Doomtree collective and dude is gnarly.

[HangsLikeHeaven]

And I just got a new computer so haven't downloaded last.fm yet. Will do it soon, though.

[CellarGhosts]

:highfive: Returned.
Haha, right on.

It's alright. A bit of a letdown for me since I was looking forward to them further exploring YHF/AGIB territory.
Seems like that's how most people feel. I guess since I'm getting into them a little later than everyone else, I don't have the whole "anticipation/let down" factor going on. But I can see how one would be a little disappointed in it.

Iam! Solid, solid album but we know that :nod:



And I agree with you here. I dont think it's a TERRIBLE album but I was expecting something else. Too much miss and not enough hit with that album. I still love the guitar work though. Nell's leads are insane.
Ha, for sure. :nod:

[Dr. Acula]

Check out Rebel Yellow immediately. He's in the Doomtree collective and dude is gnarly.

Will do!

[Dr. Acula]

Also, for the record Chris...I know youre up to your eyeballs in Wilco reccs BUT the double live album "Kicking Television" is a must. And Im not a live album guy by any means...they are pretty pointless but this album captures so much soul and passion. Get on it sometime.

[HangsLikeHeaven]

You Are My Face is in my top 5 Wilco songs. So good.

[Dr. Acula]

^^ One of the few gems on Sky Blue Sky. Along with Impossible Germany :-)

[Justin_stacy]

You guys ever hear about Tweedy's response to the Entertainment Weekly's reveiw (http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20038384,00.html) of Blue Sky Blue? Particularly the last line:

This may be the best Eagles album the Eagles never made.

I can't find the actual interview he gave, but he was pissed off and had some less then flattering words for the Eagles and Henley.

[Dr. Acula]

Jeff Tweedy is funny as fuck. You wouldnt expect it either. And yeah, I know of the interview you are talking about. Funny shit.

[ThePartialGlow]

^^ One of the few gems on Sky Blue Sky. Along with Impossible Germany :-)

Love the guitar sounds on that track (Impossible Germany)

[Dr. Acula]

Listening to Kicking Television right now. Such an amazing live album.

[CellarGhosts]

Picked up Being There today at Best Buy, about to give it a listen.

[Liter-O-Cola]

Picked up Being There today at Best Buy, about to give it a listen.

Such a great album, I wish I was listening to it for the first time haha. It's got some really great rock songs (Monday, Outtasite) along with the usual Wilco musical-awesomeness. You can definitely hear the transition from A.M.'s country rock stylings to their more melodic-indie-folk-rock of their later career.

[CellarGhosts]

Such a great album, I wish I was listening to it for the first time haha. It's got some really great rock songs (Monday, Outtasite) along with the usual Wilco musical-awesomeness. You can definitely hear the transition from A.M.'s country rock stylings to their more melodic-indie-folk-rock of their later career.
Haha, sweet deal. I'm really really liking it so far. Great stuff. I prefer the alt.country side of Wilco to the more "indie" side, but they're still great either way.

[Liter-O-Cola]

Haha, sweet deal. I'm really really liking it so far. Great stuff. I prefer the alt.country side of Wilco to the more "indie" side, but they're still great either way.

They never really abandon their alt-country roots, just get a little more eclectic in their style, so I don't think you'll be disappointed with any of their albums.

[Justin_stacy]

Those last couple of albums were about as close to 'abandoning' it as you can get.

[CellarGhosts]

They never really abandon their alt-country roots, just get a little more eclectic in their style, so I don't think you'll be disappointed with any of their albums.
Yeah. I've got A.M., Yankee Hotel Foxtrot, Sky Blue Sky, and now Being There, and so far I'm liking Being There the most. A.M.'s second. Which is blasphemy as far as most fans are concerned, I'm sure hahah, but I really dig it.

[Justin_stacy]

Picked up Being There today at Best Buy, about to give it a listen.

I'm kind of shocked they carried it. When it came out in the mid 90's I had to drive downtown to find a store that had it in stock.

[CellarGhosts]

I'm kind of shocked they carried it. When it came out in the mid 90's I had to drive downtown to find a store that had it in stock.
Oh I'm surprised I found it there too, haha. Ive always seen a bunch of Sky Blue Sky's. a few Ghost Is Born's and usually a few copies of Yankee Hotel..., but never this one before.

[Justin_stacy]

Different company, although they're both owned by Warners (I think). Now that you've got the Wilco collection, you're going to have to start on Uncle Tupelo and Son Volt. :celebrate:

[Liter-O-Cola]

Yeah. I've got A.M., Yankee Hotel Foxtrot, Sky Blue Sky, and now Being There, and so far I'm liking Being There the most. A.M.'s second. Which is blasphemy as far as most fans are concerned, I'm sure hahah, but I really dig it.

Eh, who cares what fans say -- you like what you like. Yankee Hotel Foxtrot is my favorite, but I can just as easily enjoy A.M. or Sky Blue Sky or any of their other albums. I like them all for different reasons, Jeff Tweedy is just an all around great songwriter no matter what he's writing.

And as far as their last two albums go, they are definitely a far step from their original sound but I think after seeing Jeff Tweedy play solo a couple times...with sets that stretched throughout wilco's entire catalogue ...I just feel like at the core of most of their songs is something that began as a simple folk/country/rock song.

[CellarGhosts]

Different company, although they're both owned by Warners (I think). Now that you've got the Wilco collection, you're going to have to start on Uncle Tupelo and Son Volt. :celebrate:
Haha, well, I already have one Uncle Tupelo album, No Depression, and I really like it, so I'm gonna look into more. Don't have any Son Volt but I'll add 'em to the "check out" list :-d

[CellarGhosts]

Eh, who cares what fans say -- you like what you like. Yankee Hotel Foxtrot is my favorite, but I can just as easily enjoy A.M. or Sky Blue Sky or any of their other albums. I like them all for different reasons, Jeff Tweedy is just an all around great songwriter no matter what he's writing.

And as far as their last two albums go, they are definitely a far step from their original sound but I think after seeing Jeff Tweedy play solo a couple times...with sets that stretched throughout wilco's entire catalogue ...I just feel like at the core of most of their songs is something that began as a simple folk/country/rock song.
True dat. There's definitely a distinct feel to each album, which I like. And don't get me wrong. YHF is great album, I just dig A.M. more. And judging by this first listen I've given it, Being There, too.

I get what you're saying. I feel like there's definitely that same folk/alt.country influence at their core, even if they've strayed further from that sound lately.

[Dr. Acula]

Picked up Being There today at Best Buy, about to give it a listen.

:highfive: !

[Liter-O-Cola]

Since you're on an alt/country kick, I'd also suggest the Old 97's...and on the more punk influenced alt/country side, I'd also check out Lucero if you haven't already.

[Dr. Acula]

Chris is all over the Lucero already :nod: I think he created their thread

[Liter-O-Cola]

Chris is all over the Lucero already :nod: I think he created their thread

Haha, my mistake...at least we're on the same wavelength.

Chicagoland, eh? Im from Aurora

[Dr. Acula]

Haha, my mistake...at least we're on the same wavelength.

Chicagoland, eh? Im from Aurora

Fuck you Auroraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

Yeah. Im actually in Indiana technically but I live in a suburb 15 mins out of Chicago.

[Liter-O-Cola]

Fuck you Auroraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

Yeah. Im actually in Indiana technically but I live in a suburb 15 mins out of Chicago.

Haha, it's nice to get an Alkaline Trio response rather than the typical Wayne's World reference.

[CellarGhosts]

Since you're on an alt/country kick, I'd also suggest the Old 97's...and on the more punk influenced alt/country side, I'd also check out Lucero if you haven't already.
Oh yeah, like Eric said, I'm already in love with Lucero haha. Still need to get into the Old 97's. I have their latest album but it didn't really stick with me. I'll give it another listen, but I'll prob check out an older album of theirs first.

:highfive: !
Haha, I definitely like it. Thanks for pushing me to go get it :-d Awesome stuff.

[Dr. Acula]

Sweet! Got any fav tracks yet? Or you on your first listen?

[CellarGhosts]

First listen, so I'm not sure on any particular favorites yet. "Outtasite" is awesome though.

[Dr. Acula]

Sweet. I love that song. Though we've talked about this, haha. The other version of "Outtasite" on disc 2 reminds me of the Sesame Street theme song, haha.

[CellarGhosts]

Hahaha, I can sorta hear that...funny comparison.

[Justin_stacy]

Haha, well, I already have one Uncle Tupelo album, No Depression, and I really like it, so I'm gonna look into more. Don't have any Son Volt but I'll add 'em to the "check out" list :-d

You can't go wrong with any Uncle Tupelo record, though March 16 - 20, 1992 is probably my favorite. Its their take on a traditional Folk album, and was kind of an f-u to their record label which was tring to force them into being the next 'alternative' hit-maker.

Son Volt is really or hit or miss, Traces is probably the only album that holds weight to Wilco discography. I've always thought Farrar had a better voice then Tweedy, but he wasn't as strong a musician. None of his post-Tupelo stuff is exactly 'wowing'.

I found these on youtube.

ill_yYAFuWE

(first song is Windfall, a personal favorite)

Ch2FMc-9gmg

(first song is Drown which was a minor hit in the 90's)

[CellarGhosts]

Cool cool. Those songs you linked (the ones I listened to, anyway) are pretty great. I'll check out that Uncle Tupelo album now, too.

[CellarGhosts]

Man, I love "What's The World Got In Store". Banjo ftw. :-d

[IWasaCamera]

Uncle Tupelo is really good.

[CellarGhosts]

Only Uncle Tupelo album I've got is No Depression, but it's good stuff. I plan on getting ahold of some more of their material before long.

[Justin_stacy]

Man, I love "What's The World Got In Store". Banjo ftw. :-d

good song. the following song, Hotel Arizona, is my favorite.

[CellarGhosts]

good song. the following song, Hotel Arizona, is my favorite.
That one's good too, but not my favorite. I like "Monday" alot too.

[FeynmanWannabe]

Uncle Tupelo is really good. Definitely. Uncle Tupelo > Whiskeytown.

Only Uncle Tupelo album I've got is No Depression, but it's good stuff. I plan on getting ahold of some more of their material before long. Love that labum.

[CellarGhosts]

Definitely. Uncle Tupelo > Whiskeytown.

Love that labum.
Me too. Any suggestions which album I should get next?

[Justin_stacy]

Me too. Any suggestions which album I should get next?

kind of forgot about this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/14/UTANT.jpg

89/93: An Anthology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/89/93:_An_Anthology), might be a good starting point for the band.

[CellarGhosts]

kind of forgot about this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/14/UTANT.jpg

89/93: An Anthology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/89/93:_An_Anthology), might be a good starting point for the band.
Cool deal, I'll look into it. Thanks.

[GuitarR0cker1]

Yankee Hotel Foxtrot is great. Where should I listen to next?

[CellarGhosts]

Yankee Hotel Foxtrot is great. Where should I listen to next?
Well, if you ask me I'd say that Being There should be your next Wilco purchase. Extremely good album. Just a heads up though, it's pretty different than YHF.

[Osto]

Either Being There or Summerteeth. Summerteeth is their pop record, Being There is a little bit less accessible, both are awesome though, so yeah, try one of those.

[CellarGhosts]

A.M. is awesome too. And it's pretty accessible.

[Dr. Acula]

Yankee Hotel Foxtrot is great. Where should I listen to next?

If you want something in the vein of Yankee Hotel Foxtrot then get "A Ghost is Born". Otherwise, get "Being There"

[CellarGhosts]

Yeah, I'm going to reinforce the Being There rec' haha :-d

[Dr. Acula]

You been giving it more spins Chris? Loving it any more then your previous first listen?

[CellarGhosts]

Mhmm. I've listened to it a couple times the past few days. Definitely loving it.

[Justin_stacy]

With all you talking i had to pop it in. I'm amazed at how well it still holds up. If you played that for someone who didn't know the band never would they be able to suspect the album was almost 15 years old.

Maybe I should give YFH another chance. I hated it upon release, I wonder if my opinion has soften any.

[Dr. Acula]

Mhmm. I've listened to it a couple times the past few days. Definitely loving it.

:woot:

With all you talking i had to pop it in. I'm amazed at how well it still holds up. If you played that for someone who didn't know the band never would they be able to suspect the album was almost 15 years old.

Maybe I should give YFH another chance. I hated when it was first released, I wonder if I've soften with time.

Dooo it! and you should def give YHF another chance. Grower not a show-er.

[CellarGhosts]

YHF is good too, but I definitely prefer AM and Being There. That's just me though.

[Justin_stacy]

Dumbass, I put the H and F backwards. I just dug out the CD (how ancient), we'll see tomorrow if my opinions changed.

[TemplePilot]

Being There
YHF
Summerteeth
Ghost
Sky Blue Sky


AM

[Liter-O-Cola]

New Wilco!!!

http://www.rollingstone.com/blogs/smokingsection/2009/02/the-ss-gets-the-first-listen-t.php

[chipdip18]

Great news!

[Dr. Acula]

Nice catch on the article. Im pumped. :strong: This year is gonna kick all kinds of ass in the department of music.

[CellarGhosts]

Sweet! I'm excited.

[Liter-O-Cola]

I hope this means they'll play Lollapalooza again...nothing like seeing Wilco as the sun's going down with the Chicago skyline in the background

[chipdip18]

I'm excited for this. Made in New Zealand with Tim Finn lurking the studio. We're in for a sweet album.

[kearn1tm]

I'm excited for this. Made in New Zealand with Tim Finn lurking the studio. We're in for a sweet album.

This has to be my most anticipated album of the year (with exception of the new Thermals release). I can't wait.

[chipdip18]

This has to be my most anticipated album of the year (with exception of the new Thermals release). I can't wait.

More so than Cursive? I would agree that it is highly anticiapted though.

[Liter-O-Cola]

I am looking forward to the Cursive release a whole lot as well, but Wilco typically keeps me in more suspense as to what the album will sound like.

[MyWorldEntire]

If the album sounds anything like this, I'll be happy.

ZsjCzx89uvM&eurl=http://sunonthesand.net/?p=2926

[kearn1tm]

More so than Cursive? I would agree that it is highly anticiapted though.

I'm going into this album with caution. I enjoyed Happy Hollow and I was quite pleased that Kasher wrote exterior to himself after releasing an ambitious meta album that lampooned his proclivity toward personal politics (namely, his failure of a lovelife), but it wasn't necessarily a strong album and actually accentuated just how good Kasher's songwriting is when penning tales of humble, nuanced people. I'm incredibly excited, as Kasher has to be my favorite lyricist beyond Dylan (though he certainly isn't the best contemporary lyricist by any stretch and shares many of the same flaws as Obert), but The Good Life has become the outlet where his best songwriting is had, so I'm weary.

I'm much more excited to hear whatever subtle reinvention Tweedy and co. goes through with this album.

[MyWorldEntire]

Can't believe Jeff Tweedy is 41

[chipdip18]

I'm going into this album with caution. I enjoyed Happy Hollow and I was quite pleased that Kasher wrote exterior to himself after releasing an ambitious meta album that lampooned his proclivity toward personal politics (namely, his failure of a lovelife), but it wasn't necessarily a strong album and actually accentuated just how good Kasher's songwriting is when penning tales of humble, nuanced people. I'm incredibly excited, as Kasher has to be my favorite lyricist beyond Dylan (though he certainly isn't the best contemporary lyricist by any stretch and shares many of the same flaws as Obert), but The Good Life has become the outlet where his best songwriting is had, so I'm weary.

I'm much more excited to hear whatever subtle reinvention Tweedy and co. goes through with this album.

The cautious attitude is probably the best regarding the new Cursive album. Have you heard the two songs posted or not? In my opinion i think this new album will probably be in the same realm of Happy Hollow.

When i tried The Good Life it didn't grab me, but since the talk of the new Cursive album has been up The Good Life has been popping up also. I think i'll try it again.

So am i, Wilco has a knack for putting out solid albums. Even A Ghost Is Born following up Yankee Hotel Foxtrot is a solid release as it was shadowed by YHF.

[chipdip18]

Can't believe Jeff Tweedy is 41


Really? That makes me hate Coldplay for. "People should stop making music as 33" what tools.

[CellarGhosts]

Really? That makes me hate Coldplay for. "People should stop making music as 33" what tools.
...They said that?

[chipdip18]

...They said that?


Whoever the frontman is did.

[MyWorldEntire]

...They said that?

The lead singer has threatened to quit making music a few times in the past couple years. Then he remembers he has bills to pay, and the band goes on another tour/writes a new album.

[chipdip18]

Still a douchebag.

[CellarGhosts]

Whoever the frontman is did.

The lead singer has threatened to quit making music a few times in the past couple years. Then he remembers he has bills to pay, and the band goes on another tour/writes a new album.

Ah, gotcha. That's ridiculous.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to new Wilco. Not sure what exactly to expect but I'm sure it'll be great.

[chipdip18]

Ah, gotcha. That's ridiculous.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to new Wilco. Not sure what exactly to expect but I'm sure it'll be great.

Which isn't a bad thing considering it's Wilco.

[CellarGhosts]

Which isn't a bad thing considering it's Wilco.
Haha, word. I'm in the minority (apparently?) that prefers Wilco's alt.country side to their more experimental side but I'm content with either. :-d

[MyWorldEntire]

I was not a fan of Sky Blue Sky, so I'm hoping they go in a different direction.

[CellarGhosts]

I liked it :shrug:

[chipdip18]

Haha, word. I'm in the minority (apparently?) that prefers Wilco's alt.country side to their more experimental side but I'm content with either. :-d

I'm definitely more partial to the experimental side, but i'll take what they give me.

I was not a fan of Sky Blue Sky, so I'm hoping they go in a different direction.

I wouldn't doubt it. I'm sure a neat tweak is sure to come. I think they could pull of a sweet Folk/Punk album if they wanted.

[MyWorldEntire]

I liked it :shrug:

it wasn't bad, I just was expecting more from Wilco.

[CellarGhosts]

it wasn't bad, I just was expecting more from Wilco.
I gotcha.

[Justin_stacy]

boy wouldn't we all be saddened if Coldplay throw in the towel.

:chairhit:

[Justin_stacy]

I don't think Blue Sky Blue compared to their earlier stuff, but it was an entertaining change of pace after two rather boring albums.

I'm interested to see where they go next, Jeff wasn't exactly impressed with the response Sky got in the media.

[kearn1tm]

The cautious attitude is probably the best regarding the new Cursive album. Have you heard the two songs posted or not? In my opinion i think this new album will probably be in the same realm of Happy Hollow.

I've heard one of the new tracks, which I enjoyed. If they do something similar to Happy Hollow, that's fine, as long as it's more refined, the compositions become more disciplined if they're going to make such grandiose pieces of four minute music (in comparison to the sound of Domestica) and Kasher writes lyrics that are more meaningful and profound. Again, Happy Hollow was good, but it followed up The Ugly Organ, a near perfect (as far as Kasher's potential) album insofar as what Kasher's capable of. His best work is restrained and personal. Happy Hollow was neither, and the result was a capable but disappointing LP, and if he can refine the ambition, it may be good, but I remain spectical.

When i tried The Good Life it didn't grab me, but since the talk of the new Cursive album has been up The Good Life has been popping up also. I think i'll try it again.

The Good Life, lyrically, is the culmination of Kasher's strenghts: songs about humble, relatable yet engaging people and their personal strife. Help Wanted Nights, their last album, featured Kasher's best writing other than Ugly Organ, without the Post-Hardcore/Midwestern Emo instrumentals. If you don't like a certain blend of Indie Rock/Pop and contemporary Folk, it won't appeal to you, but the thing that's always drawn me to Kasher's work was the songwriting, so I'm able to make the transition between either act seemlessly.

So am i, Wilco has a knack for putting out solid albums. Even A Ghost Is Born following up Yankee Hotel Foxtrot is a solid release as it was shadowed by YHF.

I enjoyed A Ghost is Born qutie a bit. I wasn't partial to Sky Blue Sky, but, again, with Wilco, there's always a subtle reinvention of their sound, ensuring that we'll be treated to something that isn't necessarily the same as the last release, which always gets me excited for new Wilco albums.

[chipdip18]

I've heard one of the new tracks, which I enjoyed. If they do something similar to Happy Hollow, that's fine, as long as it's more refined, the compositions become more disciplined if they're going to make such grandiose pieces of four minute music (in comparison to the sound of Domestica) and Kasher writes lyrics that are more meaningful and profound. Again, Happy Hollow was good, but it followed up The Ugly Organ, a near perfect (as far as Kasher's potential) album insofar as what Kasher's capable of. His best work is restrained and personal. Happy Hollow was neither, and the result was a capable but disappointing LP, and if he can refine the ambition, it may be good, but I remain spectical.
Well we'll see. It's really just a waiting game, and that wait is just over a week. Out of curiousity, do you think that the use of strings rather than horns on The Ugly Organ seperates it from Happy Hollow at all? It's one of the reasons why i enjoy it better personally.


The Good Life, lyrically, is the culmination of Kasher's strenghts: songs about humble, relatable yet engaging people and their personal strife. Help Wanted Nights, their last album, featured Kasher's best writing other than Ugly Organ, without the Post-Hardcore/Midwestern Emo instrumentals. If you don't like a certain blend of Indie Rock/Pop and contemporary Folk, it won't appeal to you, but the thing that's always drawn me to Kasher's work was the songwriting, so I'm able to make the transition between either act seemlessly.
I see, well i suppose it's worth another listen, i don't see why i wouldn't enjoy it. But the bolded explains the connection between the two for me. I didn't quite get a clear perception before.


I enjoyed A Ghost is Born qutie a bit. I wasn't partial to Sky Blue Sky, but, again, with Wilco, there's always a subtle reinvention of their sound, ensuring that we'll be treated to something that isn't necessarily the same as the last release, which always gets me excited for new Wilco albums.


Exactly. They know the balance of how to keep the old sound fresh with tweaks on each release.

[kearn1tm]

Well we'll see. It's really just a waiting game, and that wait is just over a week. Out of curiousity, do you think that the use of strings rather than horns on The Ugly Organ seperates it from Happy Hollow at all? It's one of the reasons why i enjoy it better personally.

I think Gretta's strings complimented the album's ambiance just as the horns perfectly accentuated the sound and musical milieu Happy Hollow was attempting. Both aid their respective albums. They aren't the reason I prefer one over the other, personally.


Exactly. They know the balance of how to keep the old sound fresh with tweaks on each release.

I'd go one further. They completely annihilate a particular sound in some instances and build something entirely new. YHF sounds virtually nothing like A.M. sounds virtually nothing like Sky Blue Sky, and so on.

[chipdip18]

I think Gretta's strings complimented the album's ambiance just as the horns perfectly accentuated the sound and musical milieu Happy Hollow was attempting. Both aid their respective albums. They aren't the reason I prefer one over the other, personally.
I still consider The Ugly Organ on the abrasive side of things, but i get what you mean by the album's ambiance, and yes Gretta does a fantasic job of working with it. Happy Hollow with the horns seems to accentuate the sound, absolutely, but sometimes the chaotic-ness of things won't pull me in the same way the The Ugly Organ does with the strings. That's just my take on things.



I'd go one further. They completely annihilate a particular sound in some instances and build something entirely new. YHF sounds virtually nothing like A.M. sounds virtually nothing like Sky Blue Sky, and so on.
It was bold to re-raise me like that but i like it. I call.

[Osto]

It wasn't until that last comment that I remembered I was in the Wilco thread, not the Cursive one. To avoid bringing in too much non Wilco discussion I'll try to keep it brief. I always felt that Domestica was Tim Kasher's masterpiece, although The Ugly Organ, Happy Hollow, and The Storms of Early Summer are all understandably interchangeable in their placements after it. Album of the Year, Help Wanted Nights, and select songs from Blackout and Novena are great as well.

But back to Wilco. I really enjoy almost everything they've put out except for A Ghost Is Born. It really just comes off as a failed experiment to me. Some songs are great, but others either drag on too long or aren't very memorable to me. I enjoyed Sky Blue Sky quite a bit, although it doesn't feel like a Wilco record to me like the others.

[chipdip18]

It wasn't until that last comment that I remembered I was in the Wilco thread, not the Cursive one. To avoid bringing in too much non Wilco discussion I'll try to keep it brief. I always felt that Domestica was Tim Kasher's masterpiece, although The Ugly Organ, Happy Hollow, and The Storms of Early Summer are all understandably interchangeable in their placements after it. Album of the Year, Help Wanted Nights, and select songs from Blackout and Novena are great as well. Domestica to me was a bit to whiney for me. The Ugly Organ seemed to be an extremely mature version of it to me.

But back to Wilco. I really enjoy almost everything they've put out except for A Ghost Is Born. It really just comes off as a failed experiment to me. Some songs are great, but others either drag on too long or aren't very memorable to me. I enjoyed Sky Blue Sky quite a bit, although it doesn't feel like a Wilco record to me like the others.
I'm with you there in liking Sky Blue Sky more, although i wouldn't consider it a failed experiment. It was just a bit unrefined.

[Osto]

Domestica to me was a bit to whiney for me. The Ugly Organ seemed to be an extremely mature version of it to me.

Yeah I can definately see why someone wouldn't dig it for that reason. I always saw it's angst as its strength though, after listening to it in it's entirety, that final scream of I LOST THE WILL TO FIGHT hits so hard man. The Ugly Organ and Happy Hollow are much more mature though.

[chipdip18]

Yeah I can definately see why someone wouldn't dig it for that reason. I always saw it's angst as its strength though, after listening to it in it's entirety, that final scream of I LOST THE WILL TO FIGHT hits so hard man. The Ugly Organ and Happy Hollow are much more mature though.

Yeah, he does a great job of demonstrating angst in that album, but i guess to me it isn't as strong as the mature lashes he makes at himself in The Ugly Organ, and other things in Happy Hollow.

[kearn1tm]

It wasn't until that last comment that I remembered I was in the Wilco thread, not the Cursive one. To avoid bringing in too much non Wilco discussion I'll try to keep it brief. I always felt that Domestica was Tim Kasher's masterpiece, although The Ugly Organ, Happy Hollow, and The Storms of Early Summer are all understandably interchangeable in their placements after it. Album of the Year, Help Wanted Nights, and select songs from Blackout and Novena are great as well.

Domestica's fantastic in it's depiction of a marriage dissolving, but Album of the Year, by my estimation, does this much better and in a way that's more relatable and mature (it's far more impartial - both male and female protagonists are painted in a morally amibugous light). Domestia worked on pure aggressive emotion - it was clearly cathartic for Kasher, set to Cursive's Post-Hardcore by way of mid-western indie scene sound, he could bark and scream his concept album for everyone to hear.

Album of the Year is a much more restrained and fully-realized take on such a relationship. I would hesitate to call Domestica "Kasher's masterpiece."

If anything, The Ugly Organ is the most self-aware, poingnant, self-conscious and, at times, humorous album Kasher's ever written and recorded. See my review at Sun on the Sand for the reasons why I believe this.

But back to Wilco. I really enjoy almost everything they've put out except for A Ghost Is Born. It really just comes off as a failed experiment to me. Some songs are great, but others either drag on too long or aren't very memorable to me. I enjoyed Sky Blue Sky quite a bit, although it doesn't feel like a Wilco record to me like the others.

I really enjoyed A Ghost is Born, but I agree that it's inconsistent.

Domestica to me was a bit to whiney for me. The Ugly Organ seemed to be an extremely mature version of it to me.

The Ugly Organ wasn't a "version" of Domestica but a meta-musical treatise on Kasher's lyrics, music and, to a lesser extent, a self-involved commentary on his life that transcended the introspective and ultimately self-indulgent nature of his older work. It's self-deprecating; he's chastising himself for the formula he's created that's so evident in works like Domestica. It's night and day between those two albums in relation to their themes.

I'm with you there in liking Sky Blue Sky more, although i wouldn't consider it a failed experiment. It was just a bit unrefined.

I didn't say I liked Sky Blue Sky. On the contrary, I don't like Sky Blue Sky. I'm just saying, it sounds nothing like, say A.M, just as YHF sounds nothing like Summerteeth. They make a nearly complete reinvention for each album.

[kearn1tm]

Yeah I can definately see why someone wouldn't dig it for that reason. I always saw it's angst as its strength though, after listening to it in it's entirety, that final scream of I LOST THE WILL TO FIGHT hits so hard man. The Ugly Organ and Happy Hollow are much more mature though.

Kasher's a songwriter who's clearly shown signs of progression in his songwriting as he's hit his thirties. There's angst in his Good Life work (Album of the Year is saturated with it), but there's also a wide-spectrum of emotion and nuance that's a visceral part of the human experience. The best thing he's done lyrically that isn't The Ugly Organ, in my humble opinion, is Help Wanted Nights, insofar as he's crafted a living, breathing small town filled with interesting, everyday people, and documents the very different circumstances that define their lives and and existence, not all of it being the easily made angst found in "end of relationship" lyric fodder. It's Kasher becoming more Springsteen-ian, if you will.

[chipdip18]

Domestica's fantastic in it's depiction of a marriage dissolving, but Album of the Year, by my estimation, does this much better and in a way that's more relatable and mature (it's far more impartial - both male and female protagonists are painted in a morally amibugous light). Domestia worked on pure aggressive emotion - it was clearly cathartic for Kasher, set to Cursive's Post-Hardcore by way of mid-western indie scene sound, he could bark and scream his concept album for everyone to hear.

Album of the Year is a much more restrained and fully-realized take on such a relationship. I would hesitate to call Domestica "Kasher's masterpiece."

If anything, The Ugly Organ is the most self-aware, poingnant, self-conscious and, at times, humorous album Kasher's ever written and recorded. See my review at Sun on the Sand for the reasons why I believe this.
I would definitely agree with the above.


The Ugly Organ wasn't a "version" of Domestica but a meta-musical treatise on Kasher's lyrics, music and, to a lesser extent, a self-involved commentary on his life that transcended the introspective and ultimately self-indulgent nature of his older work. It's self-deprecating; he's chastising himself for the formula he's created that's so evident in works like Domestica. It's night and day between those two albums in relation to their themes.
I see, i see. Which makes The Ugly Organ all that much better to me. It takes a really good musician to pull that off.


I didn't say I liked Sky Blue Sky. On the contrary, I don't like Sky Blue Sky. I'm just saying, it sounds nothing like, say A.M, just as YHF sounds nothing like Summerteeth. They make a nearly complete reinvention for each album.

My mistake, i was referring to the album A Ghost is Born about the failed experiment.

[kearn1tm]

My mistake, i was referring to the album A Ghost is Born about the failed experiment.

I really enjoyed Tweedy's composed guitar solos and the pro-tools manipulation. The electronic flourishes and the fantastic production by Jim O'Rourke made it very enjoyable. They could have easily devolved into a jam band, but they didn't. It's nowhere near YHF, but it's good, nonetheless.

[recall reality]

I'm excited for this. Made in New Zealand with Tim Finn lurking the studio. We're in for a sweet album.

Did not know this, upping the already ample excitement a bit.

[Liter-O-Cola]

Wilco/Feist collaboration!

http://www.rollingstone.com/blogs/smokingsection/2009/03/wilco-update.php

[chipdip18]

Did not know this, upping the already ample excitement a bit.

It's gonna be hawt.

[Liter-O-Cola]

Just on their site, apparently the new record's done. Tracklist:

Wilco The Song
Deeper Down
One Wing
Bull Black Nova
You And I
You Never Know
Country Disappeared
Solitaire
I'll Fight
Sunny Feeling
Everlasting

[jbaseball44]

Downloading the new album now, can't wait to listen.

[Liter-O-Cola]

Did it leak?

[Liter-O-Cola]

Nevermind, a simple google search answered that question.

[jbaseball44]

Ya, i am going to listen to it a few times tomorrow on my 7 hour car ride home from college.

[Liter-O-Cola]

They are streaming their new album on their website!

http://beta.wilcoworld.net/records/thealbum/index.php

[ThePartialGlow]

So excited for this.

[notoaststereo]

really like the new album. i think it mixes a lot of the previous albums together really well.

[IcedOpethBlind]

enjoy the new record, no real standout songs but as an album it holds up...pleased.

[chipdip18]

That's really cool of them just to stream it even though it leaked. Wilco is a great band.

[notoaststereo]

enjoy the new record, no real standout songs but as an album it holds up...pleased.

i think with more listens there are some songs that start to stand out. nothing on the first listen really though.

[Liter-O-Cola]

enjoy the new record, no real standout songs but as an album it holds up...pleased.

Upon first listen, "Bull Black Nova" and "Solitaire" really stood out for me.

I'm really pleased with this album so far, though I've only listened 1.5 times. I have a feeling it will grow on me a lot more.

[MyWorldEntire]

Discussion on Yankee Hotel Foxtrot: http://sunonthesand.net/?p=3874