"Sell Outs"

[YouthMovement]

So recently, I've been getting really frustrated wth the narrowmindedness(is that even a word? ha) of the musical views of the people around me. It basically revolves around bands that are getting really big, and how people automatically write them off as "bad". I used to be like this too, because when i was 15 hating Fall Out Boy was the cool thing to do just because they were popular. I've since developed a more 'mature' view, but it seems like the people around me haven't.

Basically, I'm not going to sit here and sell Fall Out Boy as a great band. They dissapoint live, and they're releases seem to be getting increasingly inconsistent. I think TTTYG is a little overrated, but it's great for what it is and I can see why people enjoy it. FUCT is a decent record in my view, a lot of catchy stuff that's just poppy enough to be bareable. IOH crossed the line between pop-punk and pop, but still, it has quite a few catchy tunes.

But 95% of all people will just say "FOB sucks", and I'll ask them why and they'll say "Because they're sellouts", or my FAVORITE argument, "'Cause they're gay." This seems to pretty much go for all big bands in the scene, like Panic! at the Disco, The All-American Rejects(who I LOVE, regardless of poppy-ness), etc.

So basically, how do you view bands like this? I figure no matter how much a band changes it's sound, as long as you still enjoy the music it shouldn't matter. It's progression, it's maturity, it's inevitable. But some seem to be completely turned off once a band hits it big. I guess I just don't get it.

[makeasound]

I could care less how successful a band is, how they market themselves, public-eye, whatever.
If the music is good the music is good. End of story.

I reserve the term "sell out" for the bands that blatantly change their sound purely for the sake of staying at the top of the charts and cashing in; as opposed to natural musical progression.

An example (first thing that came to mind) would be a band such as Sugar Ray. They were a heavier, much more experimental band leading up to the release of "Fly" as a single and had a pretty decent cult following. After the massive success of "Fly" and also "Someday", they gave up the alt-rock tendencies of older records and starting turning out albums of songs that were pretty much "Someday" redux in order to keep their mainstream success.

"Sell Out" is a term that gets thrown around so loosely and mostly in situations where it actually doesn't apply, in my opinion.

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[daftknight]

Hahah saying Sugar Ray took the words right out of my mouth. The transition from Floored to 14:59 is ridiculous. However, I will say, they do write damn catchy pop.

[YouthMovement]

I could care less how successful a band is, how they market themselves, public-eye, whatever.
If the music is good the music is good. End of story.

I reserve the term "sell out" for the bands that blatantly change their sound purely for the sake of staying at the top of the charts and cashing in; as opposed to natural musical progression.

An example (first thing that came to mind) would be a band such as Sugar Ray. They were a heavier, much more experimental band leading up to the release of "Fly" as a single and had a pretty decent cult following. After the massive success of "Fly" and also "Someday", they gave up the alt-rock tendencies of older records and starting turning out albums of songs that were pretty much "Someday" redux in order to keep their mainstream success.

"Sell Out" is a term that gets thrown around so loosely and mostly in situations where it actually doesn't apply, in my opinion.

[/rant]

i agree with you here about the blatant change being annoying. however ive never hreard anything buut "fly" from sugar ray, so consider me ignorant =P

[daftknight]

Listen to "RPM" or anything from that album. It's pretty blatant.

[CellarGhosts]

I've come to fucking despise the term "sell out" because the minute a band makes a step ahead in getting recognized, they become sell-outs.

For example...

Are Alkaline Trio sell-outs for being on Epic now? No. They've gained their popularity over the years and managed to become moderately successful and garner some mainstream attention while still signed to Vagrant? Are Against Me! sell-outs for signing to Sire? Not really. However, they have sort of betrayed their older sentiments and beliefs but I'm not sure the term "sell-out" is applicable there. I could be wrong, though.

I'm sure there are people on this forum who could elaborate on the matter better than I am.

[cfear]

I've come to fucking despise the term "sell out" because the minute a band makes a step ahead in getting recognized, they become sell-outs.

For example...

Are Alkaline Trio sell-outs for being on Epic now? No. They've gained their popularity over the years and managed to become moderately successful and garner some mainstream attention while still signed to Vagrant? Are Against Me! sell-outs for signing to Sire? Not really. However, they have sort of betrayed their older sentiments and beliefs but I'm not sure the term "sell-out" is applicable there. I could be wrong, though.

I'm sure there are people on this forum who could elaborate on the matter better than I am.

I consider Alkaline Trio sell-outs, but only because they take corporate sponsorships and do things not related to themselves/music to sell their music (Skate shoes, The Hills, etc). They are still solid dudes though. Even if they have become really gimmicky in the last few years.

Against Me! are sell-outs on the same level as Alkaline Trio, but also because they literally backtracked on EVERYTHING they preached about for a long time for money. They are douche bags, though, so fuck them.

[makeasound]

I don't think Against Me! are sell-outs, as I'm pretty damn sure any change in sound or content had very little to do with them signing to Sire. The change was noticible on Searching For A Former Clarity, which I believe was a Fat Wreck release.

I think a lot of the change in Against Me! was due in part to them going from being just Tom, to a two piece, to an actual band, and then finally stabilizing their lineup and finding their dynamic as a four piece.

[x togepi x]

I've come to fucking despise the term "sell out" because the minute a band makes a step ahead in getting recognized, they become sell-outs.

For example...

Are Alkaline Trio sell-outs for being on Epic now? No. They've gained their popularity over the years and managed to become moderately successful and garner some mainstream attention while still signed to Vagrant? Are Against Me! sell-outs for signing to Sire? Not really. However, they have sort of betrayed their older sentiments and beliefs but I'm not sure the term "sell-out" is applicable there. I could be wrong, though.

I'm sure there are people on this forum who could elaborate on the matter better than I am.

the bolded is the exact fucking definition of a sell out. it's doing something that's opposed your old beliefs for success/popularity/money.

fall out boy isn't a sell out band because they're always been making pop rock...however, one could make the claim that pete and andy are sell outs because they were in racetraitor who was a super political band, and decided to quit that whole scene.

[makeasound]

Are Alkaline Trio sell-outs for being on Epic now? No. They've gained their popularity over the years and managed to become moderately successful and garner some mainstream attention while still signed to Vagrant?
Wanted to mention that I agree with you 100% on this.

[CellarGhosts]

Yeah, I feel like my post was probably pretty off. I think Against Me! are more so sell outs than alkaline are, because unless I'm mistaken, alk3 never rallied against things like major labels and whatnot, they just went from wrting beer-drenched songs about love to writing dracula lyrics haha. whatever though, I'll leave it to you guys to debate.

[x togepi x]

sell out does not mean shitty. plenty of awesome bands could sell out and plenty of shitty bands stay true to their roots.

[makeasound]

What about Metro Station? They aren't "big" yet but I've seen them live and they put on a shitty performance. Granted, they performed right before Forever The Sickest Kids who had an amazing set and were just overall terrific that night. Opinions?
Metro Station has always made crappy dance-pop. Nothing's changed.

Now, if there was a band who was signed to an indie label and sounded like Thrice, and then signed to a major and their 'major label debut' sounded like Metro Station because it's what sells at the moment, you'd have a sell out.

[thesafeword]

These bands are playing music as a job and the point of a job is to make a living, so if they change their sound because they believe it will make them more money, then that's a personal decision. And if you don't like it, then don't buy the record and just listen to their older stuff to be cool or whatever. Take music for what it is, if it sounds good then listen to it, if you don't like how it sounds then don't. Stop over thinking this shit.

[x togepi x]

These bands are playing music as a job and the point of a job is to make a living, so if they change their sound because they believe it will make them more money, then that's a personal decision. And if you don't like it, then don't buy the record and just listen to their older stuff to be cool or whatever. Take music for what it is, if it sounds good then listen to it, if you don't like how it sounds then don't. Stop over thinking this shit.

You're an idiot. If we view music as something more than a commodity then the decisions a musician make effect the end product. Even if it "sounds good", if it's insincere, what's the point?

[thesafeword]

I'm just saying that music is just a job for some of these bands and that's how they treat it and it is a business decision. Of course I prefer bands that are sincere and write what they like and I'm not into all of these 'sell outs', I'm just saying that people over think this when it's just music. I don't know if I'm putting this right, but oh well, this really isn't that big of a deal.

[x togepi x]

I'm just saying that music is just a job for some of these bands and that's how they treat it and it is a business decision. Of course I prefer bands that are sincere and write what they like and I'm not into all of these 'sell outs', I'm just saying that people over think this when it's just music. I don't know if I'm putting this right, but oh well, this really isn't that big of a deal.

it's not "just music" though. that's your problem. you're devaluing it. you make it a commodity, "well if it sounds good, then don't think about it". i'm saying be more critical, which really leads to a stronger love for music in general.

[thesafeword]

Yeah, I see where you're coming from on that, and I don't like these bands or anything and I'm critical of them musically. I was just saying that I understand what's going on for them and that they are treating it as just a job to make money whether it's right or not.

[Bryant]

it's not "just music" though. that's your problem. you're devaluing it. you make it a commodity, "well if it sounds good, then don't think about it". i'm saying be more critical, which really leads to a stronger love for music in general.

I'm on your side this time, haha.

[x togepi x]

Yeah, I see where you're coming from on that, and I don't like these bands or anything and I'm critical of them musically. I was just saying that I understand what's going on for them and that they are treating it as just a job to make money whether it's right or not.

dude i don't care if a band wants to do it as their job, like that's totally cool. i just don't like bands that are like "we're so anti-the system man" and then sign to a major label.

[fadedmemories]

the word sell out has sold out

[handlikesecret]

this term has little credibility. i rarely hear it used correctly, and i rarely care enough when it is used correctly.

[Regards]

I didn't sell out son, I bought in.

[Ruki Katiakicz]

I agree with every single word thesafeword (ha) said, and would like to add that yeah, it's a shame some people would rather crank out what the label/majority wants instead of staying true to themselves, but since they aren't me and I'm not them, I don't worry about it all too much. Plus, some people just evolve, whether the people who listen to that band can see it or not, who knows. Like Alkaline Trio, me, I don't know if they changed because their taste evolved or because of the major, because I don't know them personally so I wouldn't know; all I can hope for is that they're being true to themselves and that they're happy making music THEY like.

Often people want a band to keep putting out their first album, over and over again, and they need to get over themselves because it's possible and more than likely that they don't know insert band here, yet they keep acting like they OWN the band. "omg how dare they change their sound! ogm shud b illegul1!!!1" I mean I know it may be hard if your favorite band doesn't put out music you like anymore, but instead of complaining why not just... find a newer, better band?
I didn't sell out son, I bought in.
Awesome. :highfive: that was my favorite part of the movie.

[Regards]

I'm happy someone caught onto it haha.

[stfu_man]

I didn't sell out son, I bought in.

Haha, I was waiting for someone to say this.

[GuitarR0cker1]

I've come to fucking despise the term "sell out" because the minute a band makes a step ahead in getting recognized, they become sell-outs.

For example...

Are Alkaline Trio sell-outs for being on Epic now? No. They've gained their popularity over the years and managed to become moderately successful and garner some mainstream attention while still signed to Vagrant? Are Against Me! sell-outs for signing to Sire? Not really. However, they have sort of betrayed their older sentiments and beliefs but I'm not sure the term "sell-out" is applicable there. I could be wrong, though.

I'm sure there are people on this forum who could elaborate on the matter better than I am.
Exactly, the word is used on every band that has ever succeeded and then changed their sound just a little. It is ridiculous and then the people that throw the word around, never use it on the bands they like, even though arguably it could applied there.

[Ruki Katiakicz]

Exactly, the word is used on every band that has ever succeeded and then changed their sound just a little. It is ridiculous and then the people that throw the word around, never use it on the bands they like, even though arguably it could applied there.

YES, this is why the term 'sell out' is so stupid.. Same with the word poser/poseur/whatever.

[TheOtherAndrew]

99% of the time, referring to bands as sellouts is a childish notion made by people who don't know anything and should shut their fucking mouths.

[Ruki Katiakicz]

agreed. This is going to sound corny, but I'm glad to hear a lot of other people feel the same way :D

[Pat B]

What about Metro Station? They aren't "big" yet but I've seen them live and they put on a shitty performance. Granted, they performed right before Forever The Sickest Kids who had an amazing set and were just overall terrific that night. Opinions?

MS, in my book, are sellouts. At a show they played in my town, the only way you could meet them was with a backstage pass (well i had it anyway because my friends booked the show); also, you had to buy their cd to go to the signing, and you couldnt take pictures with them. kinda lame. but i dont care because i dont like their music anyway

[chipdip18]

99% of the time, referring to bands as sellouts is a childish notion made by people who don't know anything and should shut their fucking mouths.


Woo! You and Togepi +1

[chipdip18]

MS, in my book, are sellouts. At a show they played in my town, the only way you could meet them was with a backstage pass (well i had it anyway because my friends booked the show); also, you had to buy their cd to go to the signing, and you couldnt take pictures with them. kinda lame. but i dont care because i dont like their music anyway



They did sell out, they just want all the money they can get. That is them being douches. They didn't sacrifice their sound or style at all for the money.

[Pat B]

true, but they shouldn't be in it for the money. considering trace is rich pretty much and they have their own bus already. i think making their 2 grand a night is a little much

[GuitarR0cker1]

They did sell out, they just want all the money they can get. That is them being douches. They didn't sacrifice their sound or style at all for the money.
No shit, generally all bands that are specifically Pop do this. The only reason why they are even "in" the scene right now is because it is huge right now, they will probably ditch it in a few years.

[chipdip18]

true, but they shouldn't be in it for the money. considering trace is rich pretty much and they have their own bus already. i think making their 2 grand a night is a little much


If they made that much a night i would be impressed, that's smart marketing. It's also being a huge douchebag.

No shit, generally all bands that are specifically Pop do this. The only reason why they are even "in" the scene right now is because it is huge right now, they will probably ditch it in a few years.


Yeah, which is ridiculous. Too ridiculous.

[Pat B]

if they made 2 grand you'd be impressed? you do realize some indie rock bands make over 6k a night right?

[chipdip18]

if they made 2 grand you'd be impressed? you do realize some indie rock bands make over 6k a night right?


Grrrr.

[Pat B]

haha. ya.

[chipdip18]

Like who?

[Pat B]

i dont want to say... i'd feel like an ass because they are one of my favorite bands haha

[Pat B]

well i know that the tour package of this 2 band tour was 11k a night

[Omaha_Slamdance]

that is just ridiculous money

[GuitarR0cker1]

if they made 2 grand you'd be impressed? you do realize some indie rock bands make over 6k a night right?
Depends which indie band...

[TheOtherAndrew]

Making money does not mean a band has sold out.

[Pat B]

that is just ridiculous money

ya i know. haha.

[Pat B]

Making money does not mean a band has sold out.

ya i know. but like if its a ridiculous amount. there is some website that says the prices bands charge for colleges and some things are just crazy.

[Ruki Katiakicz]

jMD7uQRAyPY

[GuitarR0cker1]

ya i know. but like if its a ridiculous amount. there is some website that says the prices bands charge for colleges and some things are just crazy.
I don't know it depends. Generally I think most bands deserve to make more money and the labels make too much but that is just my opinion.

[TheOtherAndrew]

jMD7uQRAyPY
haha, good shit.

[Pat B]

it all depends. like when that website was shown to me Panic at the disco's college gurantee was up over 100k. thats unnecessary.

[thesafeword]

MS, in my book, are sellouts. At a show they played in my town, the only way you could meet them was with a backstage pass (well i had it anyway because my friends booked the show); also, you had to buy their cd to go to the signing, and you couldnt take pictures with them. kinda lame. but i dont care because i dont like their music anyway
Was Metro Station ever 'cool'? I mean they started out sounding like a whole bunch of other bands. So when you start like that, can you even become a 'sell out'?

[GuitarR0cker1]

it all depends. like when that website was shown to me Panic at the disco's college gurantee was up over 100k. thats unnecessary.
Yup, some bands are like that, some deserve/deserved more. As an example FOB before they became barely made anything.

[Pat B]

ya but who needs 100k a day? its a good living but not necessary.

[x togepi x]

of course you people are going to say the term "sell out" is stupid. the music you like barely stands for anything.

[chipdip18]

of course you people are going to say the term "sell out" is stupid. the music you like barely stands for anything.


Who is this directed to?

[Omaha_Slamdance]

meh. sell out is just a thrown about word by people who just dislike other bands.

[x togepi x]

Who is this directed to?

basically everyone here who's saying "it doesn't matter"

[TheOtherAndrew]

It doesn't matter when it comes from militant, unintelligent punks who use that phrase to describe every band that becomes successful enough to start playing decent sized shows.

[Omaha_Slamdance]

lol. so your saying that bands that do sell out and that people like crap music if they disagree?

[IWasaCamera]

Making money does not mean a band has sold out.
No way.
of course you people are going to say the term "sell out" is stupid. the music you like barely stands for anything.
haha

[TheOtherAndrew]

No way.
Is this you agreeing or disagreeing with me?

[IWasaCamera]

Is this you agreeing or disagreeing with me?
Agreeing. I hope you don't honestly believe I was of the opinion that earning money means a band has sold out.

[TheOtherAndrew]

Agreeing. I hope you don't honestly believe I was of the opinion that earning money means a band has sold out.
Yeah, I didn't expect something like that coming from you. Just making sure.

[Omaha_Slamdance]

Agreeing. I hope you don't honestly believe I was of the opinion that earning money means a band has sold out.
too true anyone that says a band sells out for making money is an complete batty flex

[IWasaCamera]

Yeah, I didn't expect something like that coming from you. Just making sure.
Considering some of the idiotic posts in here, I suppose there's no harm in making sure.

[Omaha_Slamdance]

better safe than sorry

[x togepi x]

lol. so your saying that bands that do sell out and that people like crap music if they disagree?

yeah, basically.

[Omaha_Slamdance]

fair enough. i therefore call your favourite bands sell outs because they have made money to produce the records you listen to...

[x togepi x]

fair enough. i therefore call your favourite bands sell outs because they have made money to produce the records you listen to...

fair enough, i therefore call you an idiot since you didn't read my definition of sell out.

[Omaha_Slamdance]

fair enough i am an idiot and your bands are sell outs

[chipdip18]

Somebody is bitter.

[x togepi x]

fair enough i am an idiot and your bands are sell outs

Yeah, i mean, you don't understand what i said on the first page. i typed it pretty slowly so people like you could get it, but actually, my favorite band right now isn't even signed to a record label, so even with your idiotic definition of "sell out", they don't count.

[Omaha_Slamdance]

whatever i lost intrest at the word breasts

[x togepi x]

whatever i lost intrest at the word breasts

weakest troll ever.

[TheOtherAndrew]

Quality debate.

[Omaha_Slamdance]

lol i am a troll. or an ogre. or your sock puppet

[IWasaCamera]

Stop shaming my country.

[Regards]

it all depends. like when that website was shown to me Panic at the disco's college gurantee was up over 100k. thats unnecessary.
What band do you know that makes 100k a night?

[versus_god]

But anarchy!

[CellarGhosts]

ave you ever played a show?
Have you ever dedicated your life to something half as hard?

Have you ever spent a month
In a broken fucked up truck
Wondering if there's a way
You'll make it back to her
When you came back, did she say
Now it's me or your stupid band
Now it's me or your shitty band!

You're losing money
You're losing me
You're losing friends

It's so easy for you dear
To type and judge and scream
You never walked a mile
But you sure did lots of talking

They're a clone of Born Against
I can hear some Lifetime
The drummer's not tight
There's no passion

You're losing money
You're losing me
You're losing friends

You know me, I don't know you
You made mistakes too
I don't have to listen to you
Unless you wanna tell me I love you


Alexis is hip to what I'm preachin' here, yo.

[versus_god]

ave you ever played a show?
Have you ever dedicated your life to something half as hard?

Have you ever spent a month
In a broken fucked up truck
Wondering if there's a way
You'll make it back to her
When you came back, did she say
Now it's me or your stupid band
Now it's me or your shitty band!

You're losing money
You're losing me
You're losing friends

It's so easy for you dear
To type and judge and scream
You never walked a mile
But you sure did lots of talking

They're a clone of Born Against
I can hear some Lifetime
The drummer's not tight
There's no passion

You're losing money
You're losing me
You're losing friends

You know me, I don't know you
You made mistakes too
I don't have to listen to you
Unless you wanna tell me I love you


Alexis is hip to what I'm preachin' here, yo.
What do those poutine eatin' French speakin' moderates know about the punk rock'n'roll?

[CellarGhosts]

What do those poutine eatin' French speakin' moderates know about the punk rock'n'roll?

No idea, but I can tell you this:

would you exist without all these fists? the music clenched for you?
you're dressed up like a full-bodied anarchist, right down to your views.



sure, different band but the point remains the same

[Nevuk]

If we are posting random bands lyrics, maybe I should throw some Crass? The point is not that people's beliefs change, it is that if someone does a full 180 on their beliefs you can never be sure that what they were doing in the first place wasn't a lie. And Crass is still an anarcho-pacifist collective, so it is not like all anarchist bands change their mind 10 minutes later. Actually, I've never heard of a real anarchist/anarcho-punk band "selling out", unless you count refused, whom I don't. They were communists, that's just what a communist does. And they redeemed themselves by breaking up for that reason.

[CellarGhosts]

Refused are fucking dead

[Nevuk]

I find it ironic we are having this discussion on the 4th of july. And that all of us are apparently sitting on our computers arguing about it on the ... what is the holiday's name? National state appreciation session? I forget.

[versus_god]

No idea, but I can tell you this:

would you exist without all these fists? the music clenched for you?
you're dressed up like a full-bodied anarchist, right down to your views.



sure, different band but the point remains the same
The internet is just a minute away. I'm telling on you!

None More Black
U.S.A.
None More Black
U.S.A.

[CellarGhosts]

Haha, it is a bit ironic.

[CellarGhosts]

The internet is just a minute away. I'm telling on you!

None More Black
U.S.A.
None More Black
U.S.A.
Go preach to your fucking choir!

[Until The Bombs]

it all depends. like when that website was shown to me Panic at the disco's college gurantee was up over 100k. thats unnecessary.

So I guess at whatever job you work, if your services were worth X amount, you would take a lower wage?

[x togepi x]

People are surely allowed to stop being anarchists. I don't believe everything I did 6 years ago so why should they?

From what I've seen, Tom still claims to be an anarchist.

[x togepi x]

If we are posting random bands lyrics, maybe I should throw some Crass? The point is not that people's beliefs change, it is that if someone does a full 180 on their beliefs you can never be sure that what they were doing in the first place wasn't a lie. And Crass is still an anarcho-pacifist collective, so it is not like all anarchist bands change their mind 10 minutes later. Actually, I've never heard of a real anarchist/anarcho-punk band "selling out", unless you count refused, whom I don't. They were communists, that's just what a communist does. And they redeemed themselves by breaking up for that reason.

how exactly did refused "sell out"?

[CellarGhosts]

I get knocked down, but I get up again.

[Until The Bombs]

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!

[chipdip18]

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41RHPB4JBML.jpg

!

THis is scary.

[Ruki Katiakicz]

You're not punk and I'm telling everyone

[CellarGhosts]

Save your breath, I never was one.

[chipdip18]

No!

[chipdip18]

I'm so far from punk. I listen to The Clash, The Ramones, and then i have Anti-Flag and Rise Against. I am so punx.

[Until The Bombs]

Obviously I missed something. Where are all these avatars coming from?

[chipdip18]

Obviously I missed something. Where are all these avatars coming from?


Chat thread like two nights ago, it was epic. Ummm i can try to find you the link?

[Until The Bombs]

Chat thread like two nights ago, it was epic. Ummm i can try to find you the link?

That would be much appreciated.

[chipdip18]

That would be much appreciated.


I'm going to be lazy and tell you to go the 38th page of the c hat thread.

[CellarGhosts]

I'm going to be NOT lazy and post it here:

http://illustmaker.abi-station.com/index_en.shtml

[chipdip18]

Woo Charlie!

[CellarGhosts]

Woo *Chris!

but it's okay, everyone calls me charlie. I'd change my user name if it wasn't such a big part of my membership here. all my friends call me "chris kilo" so if i changed it, that little nickname would be voided. and we can't have that haha

[Until The Bombs]

I'm going to be lazy and tell you to go the 38th page of the c hat thread.

I'm going to be NOT lazy and post it here:

http://illustmaker.abi-station.com/index_en.shtml

Haha. Thanks.

[CellarGhosts]

de nada

[chipdip18]

Woo *Chris!

but it's okay, everyone calls me charlie. I'd change my user name if it wasn't such a big part of my membership here. all my friends call me "chris kilo" so if i changed it, that little nickname would be voided. and we can't have that haha


Haha well then i'll keep that in mind.

[CellarGhosts]

cool deal, hah.

[chipdip18]

I think i'm going to change my avatar soon.

[CellarGhosts]

I might. but I dunno.

[Ruki Katiakicz]

I'm so far from punk. I listen to The Clash, The Ramones, and then i have Anti-Flag and Rise Against. I am so punx.

Nothing wrong with the Clash and the Ramones... the other two bands... eh.

Once at sea world this guy had a ramones shirt on, and I asked him what his favorite song was, and he said the kkk took my baby away, and so I told him I loved him and we high fived. :highfive:

[x togepi x]

the ramones were awful

[chipdip18]

Nothing wrong with the Clash and the Ramones... the other two bands... eh.

Once at sea world this guy had a ramones shirt on, and I asked him what his favorite song was, and he said the kkk took my baby away, and so I told him I loved him and we high fived. :highfive:


Hahaha what an excellent story! I just never really got into punk, plus i don't even know where to start.

[Ruki Katiakicz]

Hahaha what an excellent story! I just never really got into punk, plus i don't even know where to start.

really? how'd you come across the site, then?

and it all depends on what kind of music you like. I got started from Alkaline Trio, then the Clash and went on from there. then again some people might not get into punk, like my friend, he's into more rock music like Linkin Park and Nightwish, and stuff.

[chipdip18]

really? how'd you come across the site, then?

and it all depends on what kind of music you like. I got started from Alkaline Trio, then the Clash and went on from there. then again some people might not get into punk, like my friend, he's into more rock music like Linkin Park and Nightwish, and stuff.


Haha just cause it's called absolutepunk doesn't mean other genres get discussed.

[Ruki Katiakicz]

oh yeah, definitely. that's what's kind of cool about it, like there's even an album review of Kate Perry. I like this place more than punknews as far as community goes, anyway.

[Jumpoff]

Hahaha what an excellent story! I just never really got into punk, plus i don't even know where to start.

If you want I can recommend you some punk. I don't know everything about the genre, but I do know a few bands.

[chipdip18]

oh yeah, definitely. that's what's kind of cool about it, like there's even an album review of Kate Perry. I like this place more than punknews as far as community goes, anyway.

This site has got all that i need and in a music forum, its a great site actually.

If you want I can recommend you some punk. I don't know everything about the genre, but I do know a few bands.


Shoot. I've got a pen and paper here.

[ThemChains]

I used to be like this too, because when i was 15 hating Fall Out Boy was the cool thing to do just because they were popular.


Because now, two years later, you're just at the height of musical knowledge.

[Nevuk]

http://illustmaker.abi-station.com/cache/_1215212407_313.gif

Wtf. They nailed me perfectly.

[Jumpoff]

This site has got all that i need and in a music forum, its a great site actually.




Shoot. I've got a pen and paper here.

Andrew Jackson Jihad - People That Can Eat People are the Luckiest.. (folk punk)
Bomb the Music Industry - Get Warmer
Refused - The Shape of Punk to Come
Against Me! - Reinventing Axl Rose (steer clear of their last two effots. Everything else is great though.)
NoFX - Pump Up the Valuum
Lawrence Arms - Greatest Story Ever Told
Propagandhi - Today's Empire Tomorrow's Ashes or How To Clean Everything (Today's Empire has a bit more of a thrash influence than their earlier music, it's still great though... as are all their albums.)


Are all pretty accessible in my opinion as far as punk goes. (This is by no means a definitive list.. I left off most hardcore punk essentials and all that)

[Nevuk]

how exactly did refused "sell out"?
Major Label. Not really the same thing as we've been discussing, as it is merely a principle and they didn't attempt to become mainstream by turning their backs on what they once where, and I like refuse, but they were against pretty much everything major labels stood for. "I've got a bone to pick with capitalism and a few to break" - on a major label record. It is probably more slight hypocrisy than "selling out", but that was the most extreme example I could think of. And who the hell is chumbawumba?

[chipdip18]

Andrew Jackson Jihad - People That Can Eat People are the Luckiest.. (folk punk)
Bomb the Music Industry - Get Warmer
Refused - The Shape of Punk to Come
Against Me! - Reinventing Axl Rose (steer clear of their last two effots. Everything else is great though.)
NoFX - Pump Up the Valuum
Lawrence Arms - Greatest Story Ever Told
Propagandhi - Today's Empire Tomorrow's Ashes or How To Clean Everything (Today's Empire has a bit more of a thrash influence than their earlier music, it's still great though... as are all their albums.)


Are all pretty accessible in my opinion as far as punk goes. (This is by no means a definitive list.. I left off most hardcore punk essentials and all that)


Hey thanks man! I have this list of recc's i write down on of this site. It was one of the greatest ideas i have ever had.

[CellarGhosts]

Andrew Jackson Jihad - People That Can Eat People are the Luckiest.. (folk punk)
Bomb the Music Industry - Get Warmer
Refused - The Shape of Punk to Come
Against Me! - Reinventing Axl Rose (steer clear of their last two effots. Everything else is great though.)
NoFX - Pump Up the Valuum
Lawrence Arms - Greatest Story Ever Told
Propagandhi - Today's Empire Tomorrow's Ashes or How To Clean Everything (Today's Empire has a bit more of a thrash influence than their earlier music, it's still great though... as are all their albums.)


Are all pretty accessible in my opinion as far as punk goes. (This is by no means a definitive list.. I left off most hardcore punk essentials and all that)
Those are all great recommendations. each one's a quality album. I disagree though about Against Me!, I think Searching is a great album. Shoot me. But, Axl Rose probably is the better album so whatever.

[Ruki Katiakicz]

Can you rec. me some rap, Jumpoff? I've been wanting to listen to it lately for some reason... I think it stemmed from when I listened to Flobots.

I'd also like to add some Mr. T Experience, cute sugary pop punk and Ghost Mice, folk punk with an acoustic and a violin...and recently I think a third member too. And if you end up liking Lawrence Arms, maybe even Alkaline Trio, too.

[x togepi x]

Major Label. Not really the same thing as we've been discussing, as it is merely a principle and they didn't attempt to become mainstream by turning their backs on what they once where, and I like refuse, but they were against pretty much everything major labels stood for. "I've got a bone to pick with capitalism and a few to break" - on a major label record. It is probably more slight hypocrisy than "selling out", but that was the most extreme example I could think of. And who the hell is chumbawumba?

i'm pretty sure refused never released anything on a major label.

[CellarGhosts]

agreed; i thought they released everything on Burning Heart.

[x togepi x]

they had a release or two on victory but that was back in the day when victory was a respectable label.

[CellarGhosts]

hm, didn't know that. but yeah, either way; victory and burning heart are both independent.

[chipdip18]

Can you rec. me some rap, Jumpoff? I've been wanting to listen to it lately for some reason... I think it stemmed from when I listened to Flobots.

I'd also like to add some Mr. T Experience, cute sugary pop punk and Ghost Mice, folk punk with an acoustic and a violin...and recently I think a third member too. And if you end up liking Lawrence Arms, maybe even Alkaline Trio, too.


Ok i can rec some good rap:

Blue Scholars - Bayani
Atmosphere - If Life Gives You Lemons, You Paint That Shit Gold
A Tribe Called Quest - The Low End Theory
Public Enemy - It Takes A Nation Of A Million
NWA - Straight Outta Compton

Also:
Tech N9ne
Jedi Mind Tricks
Lupe Fiasco

[Jumpoff]

Can you rec. me some rap, Jumpoff? I've been wanting to listen to it lately for some reason... I think it stemmed from when I listened to Flobots.

I'd also like to add some Mr. T Experience, cute sugary pop punk and Ghost Mice, folk punk with an acoustic and a violin...and recently I think a third member too. And if you end up liking Lawrence Arms, maybe even Alkaline Trio, too.

Uhh, I'm not sure if I can help tons, since I dislike flobots.. but you might like

Cunninlynguists
Cage (Hell's Winter especially.. even has a Jello Biafra feature on one song.)
The Roots - Game Theory since I think it might be more your thing, but Illadelph Halflife/Things Fall Apart are better albums.
De La Soul - (any of their first three albums)
Zion I - Mind Over Matter
The Coup - Steal This Album / Pick a Bigger Weapon
Pharcyde - Labcabincalifornia/Bizarre Ride 2 Tha Pharcyde
Talib Kweli - Reflection Eternal
Murs - 3:16
Handsome Boy Modeling School - White People
Deltron 3030 - Deltron 3030 (not a fan, but you mgiht like.)
Brother Ali - Shadows on the Sun
Slick Rick - Great Adventures of
Outkast - (Their first three albums were absolute classics.)
Any of the Lyricist Lounge comps..
and though I really dislike him, if you like Flobots, you might as well check out some Atmosphere.


I think I've made this same list before, haha. Not everything on it is completely essential rap wise, but I can somewhat see AP'ers liking a few of these guys.


Major Label. Not really the same thing as we've been discussing, as it is merely a principle and they didn't attempt to become mainstream by turning their backs on what they once where, and I like refuse, but they were against pretty much everything major labels stood for. "I've got a bone to pick with capitalism and a few to break" - on a major label record. It is probably more slight hypocrisy than "selling out", but that was the most extreme example I could think of. And who the hell is chumbawumba?

I usually remember Chumbawumba as "those assholes who made I Get Knocked Down".. but they were supposedly an anarchopunk band who out of nowhere released what was essentially a pop song.

[Nevuk]

they had a release or two on victory but that was back in the day when victory was a respectable label.
Huh, I'd always thought they were on one for at least shape of punk. I'll admit to being greatly surprised they were not. So yeah, Refused = not sellouts at all, which makes me happy.

[x togepi x]

Huh, I'd always thought they were on one for at least shape of punk. I'll admit to being greatly surprised they were not. So yeah, Refused = not sellouts at all, which makes me happy.

yeah all of their albums were on burning heart/epitaph.

i mean T(I)NC is on a major label now but their agenda was to make subversive pop music so it makes more sense.

[CellarGhosts]

yeah, shape of punk to come was on burning heart.

[Ruki Katiakicz]

Uhh, I'm not sure if I can help tons, since I dislike flobots.. but you might like

Cunninlynguists
Cage (Hell's Winter especially.. even has a Jello Biafra feature on one song.)
The Roots - Game Theory since I think it might be more your thing, but Illadelph Halflife/Things Fall Apart are better albums.
De La Soul - (any of their first three albums)
Zion I - Mind Over Matter
The Coup - Steal This Album / Pick a Bigger Weapon
Pharcyde - Labcabincalifornia/Bizarre Ride 2 Tha Pharcyde
Talib Kweli - Reflection Eternal
Murs - 3:16
Handsome Boy Modeling School - White People
Deltron 3030 - Deltron 3030 (not a fan, but you mgiht like.)
Brother Ali - Shadows on the Sun
Slick Rick - Great Adventures of
Outkast - (Their first three albums were absolute classics.)
Any of the Lyricist Lounge comps..
and though I really dislike him, if you like Flobots, you might as well check out some Atmosphere.


I think I've made this same list before, haha. Not everything on it is completely essential rap wise, but I can somewhat see AP'ers liking a few of these guys.




I usually remember Chumbawumba as "those assholes who made I Get Knocked Down".. but they were supposedly an anarchopunk band who out of nowhere released what was essentially a pop song.

Awesome, thanks for the list buddy. And I don't think it's just flobots, although they really kickstarted it, I liked some on the radio... really rap/hip hop/R&B has been my choice to listen to on the radio if I had a choice, but aside from that I never really ventured off besides that concerning the genre.

I'm also wondering if you've ever heard this song, The F-Word by Cannibal Ox? Or I guess anything from them in general. It's such a killer song, it gives me goosebumps.

edit: thanks to chipdip too, and I guess anyone else who wants to pitch in.

[Jumpoff]

Hey thanks man! I have this list of recc's i write down on of this site. It was one of the greatest ideas i have ever had.

I forgot to mention, check out The Menzingers if you get the chance. Local band from my area, put on a really great show. Also, as blasphemous as it might be, I like their cover of Straight to Hell more than the Clash's original.

[chipdip18]

I forgot to mention, check out The Menzingers if you get the chance. Local band from my area, put on a really great show. Also, as blasphemous as it might be, I like their cover of Straight to Hell more than the Clash's original.

Haha its only blasphemous if its a Beatles cover

[Jumpoff]

Awesome, thanks for the list buddy. And I don't think it's just flobots, although they really kickstarted it, I liked some on the radio... really rap/hip hop/R&B has been my choice to listen to on the radio if I had a choice, but aside from that I never really ventured off besides that concerning the genre.

I'm also wondering if you've ever heard this song, The F-Word by Cannibal Ox? Or I guess anything from them in general. It's such a killer song, it gives me goosebumps.

Never really listened to a lot of Can Ox. I've had Cold Vein for like 3-4 years but everytime I start to listen to it I opt out for something I enjoy more. Will check out that song more... and you also might like Apathy, Panacea, and Celph Titled.

[theguy77]

how many threads like this do we have again?

[SanePsychotic]

how many threads like this do we have again?

Too many.

[theguy77]

Too many.

haha. i used to be proud of my response to the sell out threads but now i open it and im just like, whatever, i dont feel like it. cool, you think fall out boy is a sellout. cool, you defend mainstream bands who geta lot of criticism. whatever floats your boat.

[SanePsychotic]

haha. i used to be proud of my response to the sell out threads but now i open it and im just like, whatever, i dont feel like it. cool, you think fall out boy is a sellout. cool, you defend mainstream bands who geta lot of criticism. whatever floats your boat.

I don't satisfy those posts with a response, I just spam them with pictures of bunnies and talk about eating them. People think that's weird for some reason. :-D But I've read some of your past posts about "sell outs" and they were pretty thought out. It'd take too much time do that with every single thread like this.

[TheBaroness]

of course you people are going to say the term "sell out" is stupid. the music you like barely stands for anything.

qft