Liberators at work

[Sinister Rouge]

disguisting

http://electroniciraq.net/news/1471.shtml

[open mind]

not to be a nit picker but it's disgusting.
yeah it's fucked up that our soldiers would do shit like this,since we went into iraq taking the moral high road we're looking worse and worse to the world.

[Sinister Rouge]

This shit is also coming from the British.....

This kind of shit coming from our troops is not new, the men behind the gun in the Mi Lay (Vietnam) massacre were US troops. They fucking shot children point blank in the head when they came up to them.

[Love As Arson]

We're back to square one as far as winning hearts and minds is concerned. Those soldiers did a good job of giving Osama ammunition to use against us.

[yeat182]

the british reports are fake. and while i think what they've done is wrong, it is only a handful of soldiers, not representative of the forces at large, and they are going to be punished.

[Love As Arson]

the british reports are fake. and while i think what they've done is wrong, it is only a handful of soldiers, not representative of the forces at large, and they are going to be punished.
I don't think that it how Iraqi's or other residents of the Middle East are going to see it.

[yeat182]

I don't think that it how Iraqi's or other residents of the Middle East are going to see it.

of course not, because al-jazeera will spin it into some terrible thing, and the whole region will lose its rationality. i mean, there are terrorists in the country killing iraqi's every day, but there is little to no outrage about that...

[xnotedgex]

of course not, because al-jazeera will spin it into some terrible thing, and the whole region will lose its rationality. i mean, there are terrorists in the country killing iraqi's every day, but there is little to no outrage about that...

just like you spin it to make it seem like it has absolutely no significance...you're opinion obn every subject is so biased its become humorous

The blind leading the blind...this country is a joke

[cal1082]

They said soldiers are the one's who turned these people in as well for taking these pics.

[xnotedgex]

They said soldiers are the one's who turned these people in as well for taking these pics.

so...what's your point

[cal1082]

so...what's your point

point is US soldiers didnt agree with these acts. There are six soldiers so far who have been implicated in what happened, and there's 160,000 soldiers are so in Iraq. You can do the math.

[xnotedgex]

point is US soldiers didnt agree with these acts. There are six soldiers so far who have been implicated in what happened, and there's 160,000 soldiers are so in Iraq. You can do the math.

its been said that the tactics were ordered by military inteliigence...which would mean that this wasn't some "rogue soldier" situation...they were doing what they were told

[cal1082]

its been said that the tactics were ordered by military inteliigence...which would mean that this wasn't some "rogue soldier" situation...they were doing what they were told

yes, it's been "said" hasnt been proven. I'm sure you'll believe it as long as it makes America, and soldiers look worse.

[xnotedgex]

yes, it's been "said" hasnt been proven. I'm sure you'll believe it as long as it makes America, and soldiers look worse.

it was taken straight out of a soldier's journal, i dont know how much more firsthand you can get

and you're right...i'm all about making America look bad...that's an agenda i zealously promote because it brings me great personal profit and makes my life so much better....

no, sorry, but unlike you neocons, i dont blindly accept everything that's fed to me

[cal1082]

it was taken straight out of a soldier's journal, i dont know how much more firsthand you can get

and you're right...i'm all about making America look bad...that's an agenda i zealously promote because it brings me great personal profit and makes my life so much better....

no, sorry, but unlike you neocons, i dont blindly accept everything that's fed to me

It's yet to be proven.

[yeat182]

just like you spin it to make it seem like it has absolutely no significance...you're opinion obn every subject is so biased its become humorous

The blind leading the blind...this country is a joke


i never said it had no signifigance, but again you can try and put words in my mouth if you want...

[yeat182]

it was taken straight out of a soldier's journal, i dont know how much more firsthand you can get

and you're right...i'm all about making America look bad...that's an agenda i zealously promote because it brings me great personal profit and makes my life so much better....

no, sorry, but unlike you neocons, i dont blindly accept everything that's fed to me

in the article posted it says specifically that the soliders asked their commanders for instructions, rules and regulations and recieved none, how can you then say that they were ordered to do this?

[jgirv17]

I think it's disgusting...here's a little follow-up

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/05/03/iraq.abuse/index.html

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/05/03/iraq.photos/index.html

[UndefinedBoy]

It's yet to be proven.

Kinda like it's yet to be proven that Iraq is a threat? Or how it's yet to be proven that there are WMDs?

Yeah...kinda like that.

[The Bled 13]

Everything is just really getting out of hand. It's very scarry.

[cal1082]

Kinda like it's yet to be proven that Iraq is a threat? Or how it's yet to be proven that there are WMDs?

Yeah...kinda like that.

Exactly it should have been proven by Saddam himself so none of this would have happened.

[UndefinedBoy]

Exactly it should have been proven by Saddam himself so none of this would have happened.

He should've proven he was a threat?

[cal1082]

He should've proven he was a threat?

should have proven he wasnt a threat.

[open mind]

this isn't really a isolated incident, some dude who was investigating u.s. abuse on iraqi prisoners said it was happening alot and much of it is done by the private contracters we have over there so there's a problem with the private contracters not being under the normal chain of command so they can't be prosecuted by the military, i don't have a link cause i heard it on the radio.

[xnotedgex]

in the article posted it says specifically that the soliders asked their commanders for instructions, rules and regulations and recieved none, how can you then say that they were ordered to do this?

BAGHDAD (AFP) — US and British leaders sought to control the damage over the apparent mistreatment of Iraqi prisoners by their troops with reports saying US soldiers implicated in the scandal had acted on the orders of military intelligence.

The global furor over the abuse overshadowed a handover of military control in the flashpoint city of Fallujah to a newly formed Iraqi brigade, following a bloody month-long siege in which dozens of US soldiers were killed.

In two news reports released Saturday, one of the six US military policemen accused of humiliating Iraqi prisoners at the Abu Gharib prison outside Baghdad was quoted in his personal letters and private journal as detailing the abuse and saying military intelligence had ordered it.

Staff Sergeant Ivan Frederick wrote home in January that he had "questioned some of the things" he saw inside the prison, but that "the answer I got was, 'This is how military intelligence wants it done'", according to Seymour Hersh, investigative reporter for The New Yorker.

According to his letter quoted by Hersh, military intelligence officers had congratulated Frederick and other soldiers on the "great job" done with prisoners because "they were now getting positive results and information".



What's more important, according to Amnesty International, the abuse at Abu Gharib was reported as early as the summer of '03, yet it's just now being let out. Is anyone else suspicious that when the photos are made public, then the administration and everyone involved with the war denounces the actions and acts like they didn't know what was going on, even though reports had been made as early as '03 and an investigation launched in january.

[yeat182]

BAGHDAD (AFP) — US and British leaders sought to control the damage over the apparent mistreatment of Iraqi prisoners by their troops with reports saying US soldiers implicated in the scandal had acted on the orders of military intelligence.

The global furor over the abuse overshadowed a handover of military control in the flashpoint city of Fallujah to a newly formed Iraqi brigade, following a bloody month-long siege in which dozens of US soldiers were killed.

In two news reports released Saturday, one of the six US military policemen accused of humiliating Iraqi prisoners at the Abu Gharib prison outside Baghdad was quoted in his personal letters and private journal as detailing the abuse and saying military intelligence had ordered it.

Staff Sergeant Ivan Frederick wrote home in January that he had "questioned some of the things" he saw inside the prison, but that "the answer I got was, 'This is how military intelligence wants it done'", according to Seymour Hersh, investigative reporter for The New Yorker.

According to his letter quoted by Hersh, military intelligence officers had congratulated Frederick and other soldiers on the "great job" done with prisoners because "they were now getting positive results and information".



What's more important, according to Amnesty International, the abuse at Abu Gharib was reported as early as the summer of '03, yet it's just now being let out. Is anyone else suspicious that when the photos are made public, then the administration and everyone involved with the war denounces the actions and acts like they didn't know what was going on, even though reports had been made as early as '03 and an investigation launched in january.


i wouldn't say its suspicious because there if they were doing something wrong why would anyone let the administration know? they would obviously try to keep it quiet to avoid the current situation.

[xnotedgex]

i wouldn't say its suspicious because there if they were doing something wrong why would anyone let the administration know? they would obviously try to keep it quiet to avoid the current situation.

and allow it to continue...and if the administration did not know of the investigation in january and its conclusions until may, do you not think that shows an immense lack of awareness...i certainly would not feel comfortable knowing my govt had no clue about these investigations

and they would let the admin know because that is their job...their job is to report to the administration about the developments in iraq...such a coverup is a criminal act and if that's the case, those responsible should go to jail...but it's clearly not the case as rumsfeld has acknowledged knowing about the january report prior to this outbreak, despite "not having read the full report", which is negligence in my opinion, even though he tried to play it off this morning on Today by saying the report is a "mountain of paperwork"

[xnotedgex]

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/West/05/04/prisoner.abuse.lawsuit.ap/index.html

as time goes on, it's all coming out...shame on the commanders who allowed such an atmosphere to take hold of iraqi prisons...shame on those who ordered such actions...im ashamed to be associated with these people as americans

[sweetsugar]

it was taken straight out of a soldier's journal, i dont know how much more firsthand you can get

and you're right...i'm all about making America look bad...that's an agenda i zealously promote because it brings me great personal profit and makes my life so much better....

no, sorry, but unlike you neocons, i dont blindly accept everything that's fed to me
Your so full of shit I can smell it through my PC screen. You dont accept everything that's fed to you, all your sources come from the news media.......the popular news media. I think that says enough about that,
and for the guy your bashing and arguing against, his opinion makes more sense than yours biased or not. If anyone is biased it is you and your hate for the republican party and the war in Iraq.

[xnotedgex]

Your so full of shit I can smell it through my PC screen. You dont accept everything that's fed to you, all your sources come from the news media.......the popular news media. I think that says enough about that,
and for the guy your bashing and arguing against, his opinion makes more sense than yours biased or not. If anyone is biased it is you and your hate for the republican party and the war in Iraq.

way to observe the tactics of the bush administration and do your best to imitate them...there was nothing of substance in your entire post...but you know what, that's consistant with neocon philosophy...wouldn't expect anything different

my hate is for neocons...it has nothing to do with the party system at all...if i had my way, mccain would be president...guess what, he's a republican...throws your theory to shit doesnt it

oh, and explain to me how does the journal of a soldier accused of torturing iraqis amount to the popular news media? mr. high and mighty neocon...where do you get your news from...where does your insight come from?

this whole neocon position that these incidents were isolated is being proven false and for your idiots to keep promoting that idea speaks volumes about your intelligence levels

[yeat182]

my hate is for neocons...

why do you feel the need to hate anyone? i thought hate was what was wrong with this world?

[sweetsugar]

way to observe the tactics of the bush administration and do your best to imitate them...there was nothing of substance in your entire post...but you know what, that's consistant with neocon philosophy...wouldn't expect anything different

my hate is for neocons...it has nothing to do with the party system at all...if i had my way, mccain would be president...guess what, he's a republican...throws your theory to shit doesnt it

oh, and explain to me how does the journal of a soldier accused of torturing iraqis amount to the popular news media? mr. high and mighty neocon...where do you get your news from...where does your insight come from?

this whole neocon position that these incidents were isolated is being proven false and for your idiots to keep promoting that idea speaks volumes about your intelligence levels
Bitch I'm in the Army I know how things work and your just a forum whore hate monger anyway. What happened to those prisoners goes to show that there are sick people everywhere. Also, when you see your friends head get blown off and his blood splatters on you, it can have quite the psychological effect.

[open mind]

being in the army doesn't make you all knowing or anything, so don't act like you've got all this wisdom us civilians don't, also there's no excuse for the shit those soldiers were pulling, so spare me the psych shit please.

[yeat182]

so don't act like you've got all this wisdom us civilians don't


actually, he sort of does.

[sweetsugar]

actually, he sort of does.
Thank you.

The soldiers didn't volunteer to fight this war, it's our job. It's not an easy job but we do it. Some soldiers are offended by the anti-war protests and the bad publicity it is getting. I mean, if you left your family and went over seas to fight the war, did the best you could, and did the right thing, and then the news media made you out to be some sort of low life bastard......I'm sure it would upset you to.

Like the one guy said, It only takes one of us to make us all look like assholes.

[open mind]

i don't have any beef with soldiers (except when they fuck with prisoners like in this case)my problem is with the people running the military, people your not encouraged to question, as a civilian i think i have a better chance at looking at things objectively because i can stand back and look at the situation as a whole a little easier because i'm not directly involved in it, but that's just me.
and not to be offensive but there are some dumb motherfuckers in the military just like there are dumbshit civilians so your not automattically smarter than anyone else, and your arguments haven't convinced me your some sort of genius.

[yeat182]

i don't have any beef with soldiers (except when they fuck with prisoners like in this case)my problem is with the people running the military, people your not encouraged to question, as a civilian i think i have a better chance at looking at things objectively because i can stand back and look at the situation as a whole a little easier because i'm not directly involved in it, but that's just me.
and not to be offensive but there are some dumb motherfuckers in the military just like there are dumbshit civilians so your not automattically smarter than anyone else, and your arguments haven't convinced me your some sort of genius.

he may not be smarter than anyone else, but he does have wisdom that civillians don't, being that he is in the military and we are not.

[open mind]

how does being a part of the military make you wiser?your taught to follow orders and how to handle weapons or technical equipment, and how to coordinate attacks, i fail to see how that makes you a wiser person, it's not like every soldier goes through diplomatic relations training or given any sort of intense education on world affairs.
i don't mean to minimize the militaries role as they fill a vital need for this country, i just don't see how the training and application of said training makes you a wiser person.

[Sinister Rouge]

I guess this army man (a Bouncing Souls fan) is smart too

Hello K8, I am one of the boys that came to the Shwienfert, Germany show. My friends snuck across the border to watch the Souls in Cheq. We have been in Iraq for a Few months now and the outside world is seeming more distant everyday. We finally got a stereo off an Arab peddler in downtown Baq'uba and have heard music in the open air. It was a no question vote that the Souls would be the first CD to spin. Amazing what it does for morale. Even soldiers who never heard (SOUL VIRGINS) where bouncing. I want to thank you and the guys for being so down to earth and treating us with the respect that we give you. I have spoken to many bands back stage or in a bar and I have tuned out many because they really could give a shit about their fans.
We have a hard road ahead of us and already have had to deal with dead friends and killing Iraqis. We are all victims in this side-less war and have no business here. The look in a child's eye when his father is humiliated by soldiers or the look in a fathers eye when we just accidentally killed his only child is going to stick with me forever. Having to take part in a twenty-one gun salute to bury an 18 year old boy straight out of high school is to much to bear. We tell each other things will be alright and that we will have beers when we go home a year from now. It is a false sense of security. We are killing and being killed everyday. If you can just ask your friends to try. Do what they can for us here in the zone. We need to bring the boys home. All the guys here have no interest in the political agenda and are here for the wrong reasons. They have been conned into it for college money or because they were in a tight spot at home. We've all been freedom fighters since we've signed in, fighting for are own freedom. Thanks for listening and we will too, rEPp

Troops are speaking out against this bullshit war too.

[yeat182]

how does being a part of the military make you wiser?your taught to follow orders and how to handle weapons or technical equipment, and how to coordinate attacks, i fail to see how that makes you a wiser person, it's not like every soldier goes through diplomatic relations training or given any sort of intense education on world affairs.
i don't mean to minimize the militaries role as they fill a vital need for this country, i just don't see how the training and application of said training makes you a wiser person.

i didn't say it makes you wiser, i said he has more wisdom, since he has the experience of being in the military and we do not. like i said, he may or may not be smarter than anyone else, but people that have served in the military and have fought in a war have wisdom those that haven't could never posses.

and i wasn't imply that the training makes you wiser, its the whole experience...

[yeat182]

I guess this army man (a Bouncing Souls fan) is smart too

Hello K8, I am one of the boys that came to the Shwienfert, Germany show. My friends snuck across the border to watch the Souls in Cheq. We have been in Iraq for a Few months now and the outside world is seeming more distant everyday. We finally got a stereo off an Arab peddler in downtown Baq'uba and have heard music in the open air. It was a no question vote that the Souls would be the first CD to spin. Amazing what it does for morale. Even soldiers who never heard (SOUL VIRGINS) where bouncing. I want to thank you and the guys for being so down to earth and treating us with the respect that we give you. I have spoken to many bands back stage or in a bar and I have tuned out many because they really could give a shit about their fans.
We have a hard road ahead of us and already have had to deal with dead friends and killing Iraqis. We are all victims in this side-less war and have no business here. The look in a child's eye when his father is humiliated by soldiers or the look in a fathers eye when we just accidentally killed his only child is going to stick with me forever. Having to take part in a twenty-one gun salute to bury an 18 year old boy straight out of high school is to much to bear. We tell each other things will be alright and that we will have beers when we go home a year from now. It is a false sense of security. We are killing and being killed everyday. If you can just ask your friends to try. Do what they can for us here in the zone. We need to bring the boys home. All the guys here have no interest in the political agenda and are here for the wrong reasons. They have been conned into it for college money or because they were in a tight spot at home. We've all been freedom fighters since we've signed in, fighting for are own freedom. Thanks for listening and we will too, rEPp

Troops are speaking out against this bullshit war too.

yeah, but for everyone of these there is a solider that feels they should be there doing what they are doing...i'm not saying he is right or wrong, but i don't think this one story represents all the people over there.

[open mind]

he has more wisdom because of his military expierence, but being in the military doesn't make you any wiser?make up you mind.
i said i fail to see how the training and applying of said training makes you any wiser,being a part of the horrors mankind inflicts on itself does not neccasarily make you any wiser, although it does let you know what war is really like it doesn't automatically make you any wiser when it comes to world affairs.

[yeat182]

he has more wisdom because of his military expierence, but being in the military doesn't make you any wiser?make up you mind.
i said i fail to see how the training and applying of said training makes you any wiser,being a part of the horrors mankind inflicts on itself does not neccasarily make you any wiser, although it does let you know what war is really like it doesn't automatically make you any wiser when it comes to world affairs.

by "wisdom" i mean he posses knowledge about things you or I don't, i wouldn't say he is "wiser" in the sense that he is smarter than you or i, but he has a perspective that you and i do not.

[open mind]

knowledge does not neccesarily equate into wisdom, there is a difference.
sure he has a different perspective but that does not mean he is wiser or more informed.

[yeat182]

knowledge does not neccesarily equate into wisdom, there is a difference.
sure he has a different perspective but that does not mean he is wiser or more informed.

it does make him more informed, since he has first hand experience.


why are we argueing about this?

[yeat182]

What's more important, according to Amnesty International, the abuse at Abu Gharib was reported as early as the summer of '03, yet it's just now being let out. Is anyone else suspicious that when the photos are made public, then the administration and everyone involved with the war denounces the actions and acts like they didn't know what was going on, even though reports had been made as early as '03 and an investigation launched in january.

in Jan. 04 a request was made to investigate claims of abuse from Nov. 03 to the present.

[open mind]

it does make him more informed, since he has first hand experience.


why are we argueing about this?
i said he wasn't automatically wiser because he was in the army and you said he was.
and i don't really think seeing combat makes him more informed on the build-up to war or the policies we've set in place in iraq or the abuse of prisoners or the total amount of casulties in iraq or anything else besides combat.

[open mind]

actually, he sort of does.
see?

[UndefinedBoy]

should have proven he wasnt a threat.

Shouldn't we have to prove he IS a threat before he has to prove he ISN'T? Last I checked the way we try our own people is "innocent until proven guilty." Why shouldn't those ideals apply to these situations?

[yeat182]

see?

ha, sorry, i knew what we were argueing about, i meant i didn't see why we were still argueing about it, it is really not as big a deal as we were making it out to be.

[open mind]

ha, sorry, i knew what we were argueing about, i meant i didn't see why we were still argueing about it, it is really not as big a deal as we were making it out to be.
i just don't buy into the whole "people in the military are smarter and more knowing then regular people" line of bullshit, and it bugs me when somebody (like sweet sugar) has to constantly rely on their service record instead of logical thought for their arguments.
just because your in the military doesn't mean your not full of shit.

[xnotedgex]

yeah, but for everyone of these there is a solider that feels they should be there doing what they are doing...i'm not saying he is right or wrong, but i don't think this one story represents all the people over there.


and neither would a story of a soldier who is happy to be fighting in iraq...there are soldiers on both sides of the fence...hearing from a soldier that is there saying that his fellow soldiers don't want to be there either should say something to you though

[xnotedgex]

Bitch I'm in the Army I know how things work and your just a forum whore hate monger anyway. What happened to those prisoners goes to show that there are sick people everywhere. Also, when you see your friends head get blown off and his blood splatters on you, it can have quite the psychological effect.

you don't know shit...you know what your superiors tell you and nothing else...you have no insight into what's happening in the prisons...what a bullshit answer...."oh, im in the army, i know everything that's happening"...what an idiot...hopefully your low level of intelligence is not a reflection of every army soldier and certainly not of those actually fighting

[xnotedgex]

in Jan. 04 a request was made to investigate claims of abuse from Nov. 03 to the present.

so why does it take 2-3 months to request an investigation into abuse??

[yeat182]

so why does it take 2-3 months to request an investigation into abuse??

who knows, there may be a legit reason why something like that takes that long, i'm not in the military so i'm not sure how those things work.

[sweetsugar]

you don't know shit...you know what your superiors tell you and nothing else...you have no insight into what's happening in the prisons...what a bullshit answer...."oh, im in the army, i know everything that's happening"...what an idiot...hopefully your low level of intelligence is not a reflection of every army soldier and certainly not of those actually fighting
I never said I knew everything that happens I was simply stating that I have a better understanding of soldiers and soldier mentality. Your opinion that I don't know shit is way off, and as far as my poor intelligence......there are only 44 people in the army that do the job I do because it requires quite a bit of intelligence. That's alot less than 1%.
I'd like to see you run my office........at the age of 20.

[sweetsugar]

who knows, there may be a legit reason why something like that takes that long, i'm not in the military so i'm not sure how those things work.
I dont know if you guys noticed but anything that involves government agencies....especially the military takes forever to happen. The only thing that happens fast is deployment. Any kinda paper work takes forever to get pushed through.

[sweetsugar]

i don't have any beef with soldiers (except when they fuck with prisoners like in this case)my problem is with the people running the military, people your not encouraged to question, as a civilian i think i have a better chance at looking at things objectively because i can stand back and look at the situation as a whole a little easier because i'm not directly involved in it, but that's just me.
and not to be offensive but there are some dumb motherfuckers in the military just like there are dumbshit civilians so your not automattically smarter than anyone else, and your arguments haven't convinced me your some sort of genius.
I'll agree with you, there are alot of dumb people in the army. Sometimes I think the only reason they are in the army is its the only job they can do. But I am not one of those dumbass people. My job requires alot of intellectual skills. True we are all taught to handle weaponry and coordinate attacks, but thats not what all of us do. I am in a support MOS. I work with radioactive materials at my job. There are alot of regulations and physics that goes along with that. We just passed our NRC inspection with no findings. Thanks to me and my co-worker. We have a very good department and we plan to keep it that way. You can't have some dumb shit running the radiation department cuz he would definitely fuck alot of stuff up, which would result in large fines and jail time.

[xnotedgex]

I dont know if you guys noticed but anything that involves government agencies....especially the military takes forever to happen. The only thing that happens fast is deployment. Any kinda paper work takes forever to get pushed through.

yea, it sure took congress a long time to agree that a congressional hearing regarding these incidents was necessary didnt it

[xnotedgex]

I'll agree with you, there are alot of dumb people in the army. Sometimes I think the only reason they are in the army is its the only job they can do. But I am not one of those dumbass people. My job requires alot of intellectual skills. True we are all taught to handle weaponry and coordinate attacks, but thats not what all of us do. I am in a support MOS. I work with radioactive materials at my job. There are alot of regulations and physics that goes along with that. We just passed our NRC inspection with no findings. Thanks to me and my co-worker. We have a very good department and we plan to keep it that way. You can't have some dumb shit running the radiation department cuz he would definitely fuck alot of stuff up, which would result in large fines and jail time.

at 20 years old, you wouldn't have the degress or expertise necessary to run a department that deals with radioactive materials...thank you for exposing your bullshit

"There are alot of regulations and physics that goes along with that. We just passed our NRC inspection with no findings. Thanks to me and my co-worker." for a man of such great intelligence, you sure struggle with putting together complete sentences

[yeat182]

at 20 years old, you wouldn't have the degress or expertise necessary to run a department that deals with radioactive materials...thank you for exposing your bullshit

"There are alot of regulations and physics that goes along with that. We just passed our NRC inspection with no findings. Thanks to me and my co-worker." for a man of such great intelligence, you sure struggle with putting together complete sentences


dude, what is your problem?

[cal1082]

Shouldn't we have to prove he IS a threat before he has to prove he ISN'T? Last I checked the way we try our own people is "innocent until proven guilty." Why shouldn't those ideals apply to these situations?

We couldnt prove he wasnt a threat. He tried his best to be a threat by blocking inspections, not disclosing what happened to his weapons.

He could easily say where all these missing weapons were but chose not to. Only an idiot would look at this evidence and not believe he was a threat.

Did you expect him to only be considered a threat when inspectors walked across a weapon? That was not there job, and what are the odds Saddam or his gov. would leave a weapon at a place that was being searched

[UndefinedBoy]

We couldnt prove he wasnt a threat. He tried his best to be a threat by blocking inspections, not disclosing what happened to his weapons.

He could easily say where all these missing weapons were but chose not to. Only an idiot would look at this evidence and not believe he was a threat.

Did you expect him to only be considered a threat when inspectors walked across a weapon? That was not there job, and what are the odds Saddam or his gov. would leave a weapon at a place that was being searched

Then why did the Bush Administration claim that we knew where the weapons were?

[cal1082]

Then why did the Bush Administration claim that we knew where the weapons were?

could you post or find the claim so i can read it?

[UndefinedBoy]

could you post or find the claim so i can read it?

From the Rock Against Bush DVD (so I don't have a date, sorry):

"We know where they are, they're around the area of Takrit (sp?) and Baghdad..." - Donald Rumsfeld

"We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found, uh, Biological Laboratories..." - George W. Bush

Both were interviews on TV, but I'm sure you own the CD...so just watch the DVD! If you don't...www.truthuncovered.com

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dude, what is your problem?

neocons always on the defensive about their ideals and why they should apply to the real world

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neocons always on the defensive about their ideals and why they should apply to the real world

I see someone got a new vocabulary word on their vocabulary calender. You've used neoconservative in you past 10 posts I think.

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I see someone got a new vocabulary word on their vocabulary calender. You've used neoconservative in you past 10 posts I think.

neocon, neocon, neocon....yea, i know its excessive but you know exactly what im talking about...its better than having to describe the characteristics of the people im talking about

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at 20 years old, you wouldn't have the degress or expertise necessary to run a department that deals with radioactive materials...thank you for exposing your bullshit

"There are alot of regulations and physics that goes along with that. We just passed our NRC inspection with no findings. Thanks to me and my co-worker." for a man of such great intelligence, you sure struggle with putting together complete sentences

I'd have to say the award for biggest asshole sucking dickhead has to go to you, and no I didn't expose any bullshit. I am PFC Christopher Purvis (soon to be SPC). I am the NCOIC of Health Physics at Reynolds Army Community Hospital, Fort Sill, OK. NCOIC meaning, Non Commissioned Officer in charge. Meaning I run my half of the Health Phsyics Office. I would give you a link to our hospital intranet page where we have our own health physics safety page with all the regulations posted so if someone has a question they can look up the answer and not bug us, but you need a password to access the intranet. Whether you believe me or not is on you. I have been through alot of training, no I do not have a degree, but I do have the expertise to run this office, and if I chose to continue to work in this field when I ETS from the military I will persue a degree in health physics, or possible try to attend GA Tech and earn a degree in radiological engineering. Whether you believe this or not, I really don't care. Also, you do use the word neocon alot. So props to whoever pointed that out.

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i thought you had seen action in iraq, thereby knowing what war is really like, turns out your over here all nice and sheltered....hhmmmm........like the rest of us ignorant fucks.

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anyway back to the original topic. it looks like this was not an isolated incident like some would like to think.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4932565