View Full Version : HP & the Deathly Hallows: At which point do you split the movies?
Broken Parachute
07/10/08, 01:16 AM
Now that we know Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows is going to be two full length feature films rather than one movie, I have a question...
At which point do you split the two movies? Movie 1 has to end somewhere so that Movie 2 picks right up where it left behind.
There are so many methods they can take in making this movie. I hope they get it right. I'm curious what you guys think.
DaveFeelsRight
07/10/08, 01:21 AM
man all of these will be cock teases
Broken Parachute
07/10/08, 01:24 AM
Seriously. It seems like no matter where they cut the first movie, it'll just leave everyone wanting the second movie right away.
Personally I think it would be smart to cut the first one at Shell Cottage. At that point all of the viewers (especially the ones who have not read the books) know all of the important plot points (they know about the Hallows, the Horcruxes, and what Harry has to do) so that movie two will be able to sum it up nicely and still have time to have a great fight scene at Hogwarts.
DaveFeelsRight
07/10/08, 01:28 AM
i think it would be ron's return. they can pull the whole "rons back and we can finish our mission now" shit.
Broken Parachute
07/10/08, 01:33 AM
You can think about where to split the movies in two ways:
1. You can cut the first movie at the halfway point, which would be right before Ron returns. So you would end the movie after Ron comes back and then work from there in the second movie. If you cut it this way, each movie can be equally as long and include anything and everything the director wants. He won't have to cut many things out of the movie because he'll have two movies that need to be the same basic length (around that anyway). The second movie will actually be hurt a little by this because the second half of the book is very heavy...there are a ton of things that needed to be included, so there may not be enough time.
2. The other method would be to cut it at Shell Cottage. At that point of the story, after Harry has talked to Olivander and Griphook, the audience knows what Harry has to do and what the Hallows and Horcruxes are. They know everything they have to know to see the ending. This will mean that the first movie is going to have to be very long and the second movie will free up a lot of space for the director to work with.
I like the second plan a lot better. Cutting it at Shell Cottage would mean the second movie has five main/vital parts: the escape from Gringotts, the battle of Hogwarts, Snape/Voldemort confrontation, Snape's memories, and the final battle. It seems like a lot to fit into one movie but it really isn't. The director can stretch out the scenes so that they remain true to the book.
Does anyone understand what I mean? I don't know if I'm explaining well.
gusta0117
07/10/08, 01:34 AM
i stopped reading these at book 5 cause the movies were coming out
but i read the first 3 before the movies ever started.
i love this series. id rather be suprised on cinema and then read everything in detail after
Broken Parachute
07/10/08, 01:36 AM
....
So you voted on a poll for a book that you never read? Just read the books. The movies aren't 100% true to the books anyway.
CstSnow
07/10/08, 01:52 AM
Movie one= everything before the battle at Hogwarts
movie 2= the battle
the only way to do it right.
In all seriousness though the shell cottage idea would probably work best.
Broken Parachute
07/10/08, 01:54 AM
Really I would actually like to see the second movie be nothing but battling and fighting...but the thing is that the good majority of people who see this movie will be people who never read the book. That's why it's important to leave in all the key plot points and spread it all out nicely so the average movie goer can understand it, ya know?
CstSnow
07/10/08, 01:56 AM
Really I would actually like to see the second movie be nothing but battling and fighting...but the thing is that the good majority of people who see this movie will be people who never read the book. That's why it's important to leave in all the key plot points and spread it all out nicely so the average movie goer can understand it, ya know?
Oh I know, thus the "in all seriousness tho" second part of my post.
Broken Parachute
07/10/08, 02:00 AM
Oh I know, thus the "in all seriousness tho" second part of my post.I know, I was just saying.
CstSnow
07/10/08, 02:03 AM
I havent seen any of the movies in the series since Azkaban even though I thought that one was easily the best of the first 3. I will probably watch them all right before these final two, did they do a decent job with any of the other ones so far?
Broken Parachute
07/10/08, 02:06 AM
Order of the Phoenix was great. You will find many varied opinions on all of the movies. My favorite is Prisoner of Azkaban from a filmmaking standpoint because it has such wonderful cinematography and directing. Order of the Phoenix was just visually very nice. The cutscenes were great. It's hard to explain but like there was an entire montage of cutscenes where they were all presented in the form of newspaper clippings. It was awesome.
Shell Cottage seems to be a logical choice. It's a bit of a break in the action, and one of the few times (that I, in my sleep deprived state, can remember from a book I haven't read in almost a year), where they have time to rest up or whatever. Plus, having the second movie off with the Gringotts vault scene in the first 15 or so minutes makes for an entertaining start.
I can't believe this book has been out for almost a year now. Ridiculous.
CstSnow
07/10/08, 02:14 AM
Order of the Phoenix was great. You will find many varied opinions on all of the movies. My favorite is Prisoner of Azkaban from a filmmaking standpoint because it has such wonderful cinematography and directing. Order of the Phoenix was just visually very nice. The cutscenes were great. It's hard to explain but like there was an entire montage of cutscenes where they were all presented in the form of newspaper clippings. It was awesome.
Ya Cuaron did a great job with Azkaban, and its good to know that the later ones were pretty good.
sputniksignals
07/10/08, 04:54 AM
I think it would be appropriate to split it once they find out what the hallows are. I think it would be cool to end the movie with Xenophilius explaining them and then end it with him trying to turn them in to get Luna back.
hailthewarrior
07/10/08, 08:29 AM
Malfoy Manner, because they'll start the first movie with a death, and then you'll have another death very shortly into the second, and it ends the first on high tension and starts the second on high tension...
lindZ629
07/10/08, 09:24 AM
Honestly, I need to re-read the book before I can make a true opinion. I can't remember any of these events.
looksthatkillbn
07/10/08, 10:19 AM
i think it would be a perfect point to cut it of after xenophilius explains the hallows, but before he tries to turn them in.
googirl8907
07/10/08, 10:22 AM
I think right after Ron returns would be a great place to cut it off.
mellzie14
07/10/08, 10:38 AM
I think Shell Cottage would be the best place to cut it off. Then you have enough action points for two movies. I may need to re-read the book though, but from what I remember, I'm pretty sure this would be the best place.
sputniksignals
07/10/08, 11:08 AM
I think the build up to the gang finding out about the Hallows makes for a good movie. I can just imagine the ending with Xenophilius being all O U DINT NO? about the Hallows just setting it up for the second movie to explain the hallows and the search for horcruxes
amysaurus
07/10/08, 11:41 AM
Oh wow you put a lot of thought into this didn't you haha. I haven't read it in awhile but I would say when Ron leaves them, or when he comes back.
Broken Parachute
07/10/08, 07:46 PM
Ya Cuaron did a great job with Azkaban, and its good to know that the later ones were pretty good.I think Mike Newell did an alright job with Goblet of Fire, but David Yates did a way better job with Order of the Phoenix.
Either Shell Cottage or the visit to Godric's Hollow.
When Xenophilius explains the DH strory!
They could cut it off right where the death eaters arrive and it will leave everyone hanging.
Broken Parachute
07/11/08, 09:39 PM
You can't just end a movie mid-scene though.
stayillogical
06/26/09, 10:16 PM
Do we know where it's ending? If that leaked, I wouldn't mind knowing.
I've hated all the movies just because they're always skip so much from the books, but Deathly Hallows might be my favorite one since they're making two parts. I'll probably just wait until they are both out on DVD though, because there is a lot of time in between the two parts.
gloriousmuse
06/27/09, 10:22 AM
I still think it's after Ron returns
WFUJerseyJon
06/27/09, 12:46 PM
I miss the DH book thread. So much anticipation for that book, it was awesome. I think I need to reread the series again soon.
narcoleptic953
06/27/09, 01:53 PM
After reading this book for the third time, I think ending the first movie after harry has his epiphany at shell cottage is the only thing that makes any sense at all. Cutting in the middle of Malfoy manner would be ridiculous, as would after Godric's hollow. Ron's return would be a completely lame conclusion (not to mention that you can't cut off the first movie without any mention of the hallows because that would render the title completely non-applicable).
That leaves Shell cottage and the scene at the Lovegood house. I could see the movie ending on "are you referring to the sign of the deathly hallows", but if you did that, you really are ending midscene and would almost certainly have to show that part again at the beginning of the next movie (some sort of recap, if not just having the movies overlap a bit). Shell cottage is the only option that provides and kind of closure, but still leaves the plot open ended and leaves the characters with a great sense of peril. I think the movie should (and will) end with Voldemort claiming the Elder wand and laughing in triumph. Then the next movie can begin with the Gringotts robbery, which would make a tremendous opening.
BottleRocket
06/27/09, 02:30 PM
in answer to the thread question: the correct answer is you don't. you suck up the fact that your cash cow has come to an end and just do the right thing by making one movie.
stayillogical
06/27/09, 02:33 PM
The chronology of events and what exactly happened in the book is really fuzzy in my mind. But now that I think about it more, I wish I could change my vote to Shell cottage.
zac_montucky
06/27/09, 07:56 PM
in answer to the thread question: the correct answer is you don't. you suck up the fact that your cash cow has come to an end and just do the right thing by making one movie.
But that's not the right thing in this case. It's a win/win, they make millions more, and we get to see everything we could possibly want from the DH movie.
That sounds like an A+ plan to me :shrug:
Undue Noise
06/28/09, 05:18 AM
I think Silver Doe would be both a great ending to part 1 and a good opening to part 2. Also, Gringotts would be good because it would leave a lot of time to dedicate to the battle etc. so either of those would be great.
fightinirish217
06/28/09, 08:45 AM
Yea I think it has to be silver doe/ron's return would be the best way to split it.
Can't wait for HBP and DH is just gonna be epic.
stayillogical
06/28/09, 11:37 AM
in answer to the thread question: the correct answer is you don't. you suck up the fact that your cash cow has come to an end and just do the right thing by making one movie.
I doubt you've ever read the book, because for anyone that has, how could you seriously think they could cram so much into one movie? I'm not talking about insignificant subplots. The entire book is composed of so many major events that would take huge chunks of time on film. That would be like if someone had tried to make LOTR into one movie. Way too much happens, they made the right choice.
I miss the DH book thread. So much anticipation for that book, it was awesome. I think I need to reread the series again soon.
That thread was great.
BottleRocket
06/28/09, 12:01 PM
I doubt you've ever read the book, because for anyone that has, how could you seriously think they could cram so much into one movie? I'm not talking about insignificant subplots. The entire book is composed of so many major events that would take huge chunks of time on film. That would be like if someone had tried to make LOTR into one movie. Way too much happens, they made the right choice.
I have read the book. There's an entire section in the middle where they're yanking each others dicks in the forest that could easily be cut or trimmed. But yes in an ideal world everything in the book would make it in the movie, unfortunately I can cite precedent with the other movies where they've butchered a lot of the source to fit the movie, but now that they've got one last chance at making millions they've decided to go all the way. This may or may not be a good idea, but it's hard to see it as anything other than an attempt at making one last buck.
batmannj
06/28/09, 05:25 PM
I really do wish the movies were better. The only one I really enjoyed was Azkaban.
Broken Parachute
07/09/09, 10:27 PM
I miss the DH book thread. So much anticipation for that book, it was awesome. I think I need to reread the series again soon.Same. We had a great time guessing all the shit that would happen and such.
samsara
07/09/09, 10:28 PM
For some reason I'm putting off reading it maybe because it ends the series.
eriatarka24
07/10/09, 11:04 AM
I thought the movie for Order of the Phoenix sucked :(
Anyway, I voted for when the Hallows are explained...makes sense to me. Cause then the last part will be them finding all the Hallows so that they can get rid of Voldemort...etc..
I'd have to say when xeno lovegood explains th hallows. that way, people who havent read the book can have a little insight on what the title is about and I personally think that him calling the death eaters (or the trio seeing them out the window, or the printing machine with the quibbler's new anti-harry cover) would be a good cliffhanger to stop the movie at.
Wait_For_It
07/12/09, 05:50 PM
I'm reading this again and I think Shell Cottage would be the best place to split it.
For some reason I'm putting off reading it maybe because it ends the series.
But it's so fucking good.
samsara
07/12/09, 06:28 PM
But it's so fucking good.
I know. I had it in my room for 6 months but I didnt want to read it.
I know. I had it in my room for 6 months but I didnt want to read it.
So you've read it then?
Same. We had a great time guessing all the shit that would happen and such.
I just remember calling that one of the twins would die. Pretty much the only time I've ever been right about anything.
samsara
07/12/09, 06:32 PM
So you've read it then?
No I didnt. My sister just gave me a small run through of it.
Shell Cottage seems to be a logical choice. It's a bit of a break in the action, and one of the few times (that I, in my sleep deprived state, can remember from a book I haven't read in almost a year), where they have time to rest up or whatever. Plus, having the second movie off with the Gringotts vault scene in the first 15 or so minutes makes for an entertaining start.
I can't believe this book has been out for almost a year now. Ridiculous.
After re-reading the book a few weeks ago, I can say that I concur with my past self.
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