Bush...his own boys calling him out

[xnotedgex]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1802&ncid=1802&e=1&u=/washpost/20040510/ts_washpost/a13027_2004may9

I particularly think the part about Bush's blind followers applies to people on this board

[sweetsugar]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1802&ncid=1802&e=1&u=/washpost/20040510/ts_washpost/a13027_2004may9

I particularly think the part about Bush's blind followers applies to people on this board

It's so easy to cast a stone at one who holds such a high position.
Nobody's perfect, everyone makes mistakes. It's in admitting we were wrong and forgiveness that we find out who the real mean among us are.

[cal1082]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1802&ncid=1802&e=1&u=/washpost/20040510/ts_washpost/a13027_2004may9

I particularly think the part about Bush's blind followers applies to people on this board

I'll easily criticize Bush on things, but i've never heard you say anything he's done right. I'd believe you are more blindly following the spin about him over anything else.

[sweetsugar]

I'll easily criticize Bush on things, but i've never heard you say anything he's done right. I'd believe you are more blindly following the spin about him over anything else.
Agreed.

It is easy to criticize bush, as it is most rednecks. I think xnotedgex has alot of anger coming from somewhere, cuz he sure is pissed off all the time.

[cal1082]

I'll spit 4 things off the top of my head I dont like.

--the ammnestiy program with illegal immigrants from Mexico
--Tenet staying head of CIA
--Fallujah not being forcefully taken
--big medicare program

[sweetsugar]

I'll spit 4 things off the top of my head I dont like.

--the ammnestiy program with illegal immigrants from Mexico
--Tenet staying head of CIA
--Fallujah not being forcefully taken
--big medicare program
I disagree with the amnesty program to. We have enough unemployment problems without employing illegals. Although I have met some aliens who I believe totally deserve there citizenship, and congradulated them when they got it, some good people, very good people.

[open mind]

It's so easy to cast a stone at one who holds such a high position.
Nobody's perfect, everyone makes mistakes. It's in admitting we were wrong and forgiveness that we find out who the real mean among us are.
i've yet to hear any apologies from bush on the way foreign policy is being handled.

[yeat182]

i've yet to hear any apologies from bush on the way foreign policy is being handled.

what does he have to apologize for?

[open mind]

sweetsugar said "nobodys perfect, everyone makes mistakes. it's admitting we were wrong and forgiveness who the real mean among us are" (boy can't write) i was just saying he seems to think bush made some mistakes about iraq, and has apologized for them, i don't think bush has.
maybe he could apologize for going into iraq on bad intelligence, and going in without a real re-building phase ready.

[yeat182]

sweetsugar said "nobodys perfect, everyone makes mistakes. it's admitting we were wrong and forgiveness who the real mean among us are" (boy can't write) i was just saying he seems to think bush made some mistakes about iraq, and has apologized for them, i don't think bush has.
maybe he could apologize for going into iraq on bad intelligence, and going in without a real re-building phase ready.

yeah, i suppose, but is an apology really going to make anything better? the people that don't like bush and don't support the war will not find it fufilling and those that do don't need an apology. i don't think it would hurt, but i'm not sure it would help either...

[open mind]

i know i'd have a bit more respect for bush if he apologized.

[yeat182]

i know i'd have a bit more respect for bush if he apologized.

well, i respect that. do you think those that don't like bush would feel the same? or do you think they will find something else to nitpick/complain about? i just get the feeling that no matter what bush does, they will find something wrong with it.

[open mind]

i'm one of those people that doesn't like bush remember?

[yeat182]

i'm one of those people that doesn't like bush remember?

i know, that is why i said i respect that, becuase you seem to be the exception to the rule. but do you think those that don't like bush would react like you?

[open mind]

yes, most people would feel alot better about bush if he admitted screwing up, sure we'd still ride him when he fucks up, but there would be an increase in respect for bush if he owned up and said i screwed up, but i'm working on it.

[yeat182]

cool

[UndefinedBoy]

Bush has almost never admitted to doing anything wrong. In his last press conference, when asked what he felt his biggest mistake was over the past few years, he couldn't mention one. Not one mistake. Not only has he never apologized, the man doesn't even seem to think he's made any mistakes.

And yeah, I'd have a whole lot more respect for him if he could simply admit he did something wrong, and apologize for it.

[yeat182]

Bush has almost never admitted to doing anything wrong. In his last press conference, when asked what he felt his biggest mistake was over the past few years, he couldn't mention one. Not one mistake. Not only has he never apologized, the man doesn't even seem to think he's made any mistakes.

And yeah, I'd have a whole lot more respect for him if he could simply admit he did something wrong, and apologize for it.

he did apologize for the abuse of the Iraqis...but that wasn't really his fault, so i see what you are saying. i think his advisors probably don't want him to because it will give Kerry something to use against him in his campaign.

[open mind]

so according to sweetsugar, bush is not a real man (although he spelled it mean)

[yeat182]

so according to sweetsugar, bush is not a real man (although he spelled it mean)

i would disagree that he isn't a real man

[open mind]

i didn't say he wasn't a real man, but sweetsugar thinks he isn't (at least according to his criteria)

[yeat182]

i didn't say he wasn't a real man, but sweetsugar thinks he isn't (at least according to his criteria)

yeah, i would disagree with that. i'm not going to question whether or not anyone is a "real" man, because i don't even know what that implies, its way to subjective a term.

[open mind]

real men smoke marlboros by the carton, drink jack daniels by the gallon, and fuck 10 midgets at a time. :wink3:

[yeat182]

haha

[open mind]

i guess according to my criteria bush used to be a real man...........

[sweetsugar]

Your correct, I can't write, I could in high school but after I stopped using it I totally lost it. If bush believes in himself and doesn't believe he has done anything wrong. Then he has nothing to apologize for.
Which.....he is a texan....and texans are usually pretty cocky and sure of themselves, or at least thats the stereotype.

[open mind]

serial killers can believe they did nothing wrong, does that mean they shouldn't apologize to the families that lost a loved one?

[Safetyin#]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1802&ncid=1802&e=1&u=/washpost/20040510/ts_washpost/a13027_2004may9

I particularly think the part about Bush's blind followers applies to people on this board


http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/1/11/231302.shtml

It looks like some liberals are bolting for bush...I particularly think the part about his reasoning for voting bush should make all of bush's opposition on this board, think......

[hXc_pwnage]

Looks like one liberal is bolting for Bush...

[yeat182]

i was surprised to see it was Ed Koch, i think that gives the article more credibility than if it was someone you never heard of. I especially liked his points regarding the ABM treaty.

[Safetyin#]

Looks like one liberal is bolting for Bush...
alright heres another from one of kerrys old friends and former long time supporter...

http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110004250

And you'll notice that alike the "opinion" piece originally posted, both the people in mine out right said they wouldn’t vote for bush’s opponent...the same can not be said of the "actual" conservatives in the original “story”......

[Safetyin#]

Looks like one liberal is bolting for Bush...

or theres..

http://www.insightmag.com/news/2004/03/30/Politics/Democrats.Desert.Kerry.For.Bush-642873.shtml

[sweetsugar]

or theres..

http://www.insightmag.com/news/2004/03/30/Politics/Democrats.Desert.Kerry.For.Bush-642873.shtml
Zell Miller was the governor of georgia most of the years i was growing up there. He was a good governor, he did wonders for the education system. I respect him alot.

[open mind]

or theres..

http://www.insightmag.com/news/2004/03/30/Politics/Democrats.Desert.Kerry.For.Bush-642873.shtml
they were gonna support bush no matter who the democrats picked as their nominee.

[venus/bacchus]

they were gonna support bush no matter who the democrats picked as their nominee.
that doesn't change the fact that they still didn't support the current liberal stance on the war, and that they do support Bush...so the point is moot

[open mind]

this thread and the post i was responding to has been talking about people criticizing their own canidates and changing who they are supporting, those guys never had kerry as their canidate and it's misleading to say they jumped out of supporting kerry so it is not a moot point like you'd like to think.

[venus/bacchus]

this thread and the post i was responding to has been talking about people criticizing their own canidates and changing who they are supporting, those guys never had kerry as their canidate and it's misleading to say they jumped out of supporting kerry so it is not a moot point like you'd like to think.
I don't think any of the links talked about anyone changing alliances. It just said at this moment, they are still members of their respective parties, but they are supporting the opposition. After Iraq is all said and done, they'll go back. Nothing in any of those links indicated that they were going to vote for the other, then changed their mind. So this thread isn't about changing who they are supporting, and it doesn't matter if they were going to vote for Bush regardless of who the dems nominated.

[open mind]

did you miss the title of this thread or the last page of posts?

[venus/bacchus]

did you miss the title of this thread or the last page of posts?
no...saying you're supporting a member of the other party doesn't mean you've just changed from supporting Bush...like the first link says, there have always been republicans who disagree with his foreign policy...because republicans are calling him out doesn't mean they're changing who they are supporting, they're just being vocal about his shortcomings...they could have long been against him as the republican representative, but still have allegiances to the party...it's misleading to say they've always supported Bush and that his supporters are now jumping ship

[open mind]

remember you were arguing that my point about kerry was moot?
it says in the link provided in the post i was responding to that they were supporting bush before the democrats even picked a nominee which would mean regardless of who was picked as the nominee they would support bush and not their parties nominee, safteyin# was trying to make it look like these democrats had changed who they were supporting and that's misleading that was my point.i never said they had always supported bush, i did say they were going to support bush regardless of who their party picked.
the main topic has been people in their respective parties critisizing their canidates, and now people changing who they were supporting.

[venus/bacchus]

remember you were arguing that my point about kerry was moot?
it says in the link provided in the post i was responding to that they were supporting bush before the democrats even picked a nominee which would mean regardless of who was picked as the nominee they would support bush and not their parties nominee, safteyin# was trying to make it look like these democrats had changed who they were supporting and that's misleading that was my point.i never said they had always supported bush.
the main topic has been people in their respective parties critisizing their canidates, and now people changing who they were supporting.
fair enough, it appears I've talked myself in a circle

[open mind]

happens.

[Alex Djaferis]

yes, most people would feel alot better about bush if he admitted screwing up, sure we'd still ride him when he fucks up, but there would be an increase in respect for bush if he owned up and said i screwed up, but i'm working on it.

you said it. I agree. I usually disagree with just about everything he does...lol. I know that sounds a bit stupid or maybe its just the influence thats been put onto me being in Europe, in Switzerland. However if bush did apologize or at least recognize that he did mess up on certain occasions ...my respect for him as a person and more importantly, as a president, would rise dramatically aswell and i think that it would be well recieved by most people in the world.
of course there will be alot of idiots who would use an apology of his as another weapon of criticism against him...
but as a person, for himself, it would prove a great act.

[Safetyin#]

they were gonna support bush no matter who the democrats picked as their nominee.
That’s bull shit, you don't have anyway of proving that...If the democrats had nominated a more moderate candidate (Lieberman or Clark) or one with a better military record (Lieberman or Clark) or one that had a personality (Dean), these people probably would have voted Democrat, but they did not choose this candidate, the "people" did, and they chose a far left one......Zeller has never voted Republican before and he didn't vote for Bush in 00', but he is now because he thinks Kerry is wrong for America in a time of war, not because he agree with Bush on any domestic policy or because he “originally” planned on it…(Koch said this samething)…


You'll also notice that no one in the original story said they would be willing to vote for Kerry (different from the op'ed pieces i posted), and i'd be willing to bet that no matter how unhappy they are with Bush, most would say they are far happier with him then they ever would be with Kerry in the office...

[open mind]

That’s bull shit, you don't have anyway of proving that...If the democrats had nominated a more moderate candidate (Lieberman or Clark) or one with a better military record (Lieberman or Clark) or one that had a personality (Dean), these people probably would have voted Democrat, but they did not choose this candidate, the "people" did, and they chose a far left one......Zeller has never voted Republican before and he didn't vote for Bush in 00', but he is now because he thinks Kerry is wrong for America in a time of war, not because he agree with Bush on any domestic policy or because he “originally” planned on it…(Koch said this samething)…


You'll also notice that no one in the original story said they would be willing to vote for Kerry (different from the op'ed pieces i posted), and i'd be willing to bet that no matter how unhappy they are with Bush, most would say they are far happier with him then they ever would be with Kerry in the office...
in the the last 2 of the links you provided it said that they had commited to supporting bush before the democrats even picked their nominee is that not proof? the guy in the second link provided said none of the nine canidates for nominee were any good.