Favorite Type Of Music

[pseudonym28]

For me its indie/expirmental/post hardcore, notice the avatar.

if anyone knows any bands like that. please recommend them to me.

what are your favorite types of music?

[funkel]

Post-rock.

[Yamamoto]

Post-Hardcore.

[Neo Cassady]

Pretty much a tie between pop-punk and folk. The latter if I had to pick one.

[OdeToTheSun]

The Metal!

[thesafeword]

I listen to Disney Radio and that's about it.

[funkel]

I listen to Disney Radio and that's about it.
Excellent choice.

http://i27.tinypic.com/jruwpd.jpg

[bowl of oranges]

Indie Folk, ftw

[shit stroll]

punk/hardcore

[Neo Cassady]

Indie Folk, ftw

:highfive:

[VinceHotline]

depends on my mood

[MADSTA]

Good.

[fly_guy]

My main genre is pop punk.... :whistle:

[AlternateToLife]

I'm also gonna say Pop Punk or Indie Folk. They're probably my top.

[Kid B]

For me its indie/expirmental/post hardcore, notice the avatar.

if anyone knows any bands like that. please recommend them to me.

what are your favorite types of music?
Circa Survive is not indie, experimental, or post hardcore.

[Until The Bombs]

Awesome music.

[ForeverDelayed]

Not sure if I could pick one. I guess I'll say powerpop, (real) emo, singer/songwriter, and jazz.

[highasakyt]

anything from iron and wine to brand new to all time low to johnny cash to the mars volta.


i listed more bands then i intended...but their all so different. haha.

[thesafeword]

Not sure if I could pick one. I guess I'll say powerpop, (real) emo, singer/songwriter, and jazz.
What's real emo?

[zackisonfire]

I'll listen to anything that sounds good.
From Indie Folk to Death Metal.

[thesafeword]

But what's your favorite?

[MyNameIsRoss]

Hardcore and Hip Hop.

[thespearkid]

For me its indie/expirmental/post hardcore, notice the avatar.

if anyone knows any bands like that. please recommend them to me.

what are your favorite types of music?
TREOS.

My favorite type is probably indie/folk or indie or post-hardcore.

[musicfiend]

depends on my mood
Exactly what I was thinking.

[micahistheballs]

Contemporary Christian

[x togepi x]

TREOS.

My favorite type is probably indie/folk or indie or post-hardcore.

much like circa survive, TREOS is not experimental or post-hardcore.

[thespearkid]

much like circa survive, TREOS is not experimental or post-hardcore.
Really?

[x togepi x]

Really?

they're awful.

[ForeverDelayed]

What's real emo?
Anything from the original DC scene, the following wave of bands who were influenced by those bands, the midwest scene, stuff like that. It's just that these days you have to specify "real emo" so people don't think you mean MCR and shit like that. But you guys here are pretty knowledgable about such things so I probably didn't need to clarify.

[thespearkid]

they're awful.
Oh. I disagree but oh well.

[theguy77]

i like pop-punk, indie, and what little ive heard of folk rock and post-hardcore about equally. i mean pop-punk was my only genre as i was just getting into teen years so naturally thats the stuff i know most of, and im just starting to spread out into indie. im at a point where i really want to expand musically, but i can tell those four genres are favorites of mine.

[IWasaCamera]

Singer-songwriters are what I listen to most.

[MyNameIsRoss]

Contemporary Christian

Like those 'I Can Only Imagine' pricks?

[thespearkid]

Contemporary Gospel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Contemporary Christian

[liar23]

alternative-pop-punk-indie-folk-post-rock

[adam289]

Indie-rock

[hockeyguitar99]

pop-punk, indie, math rock, post-rock, and folk

[Neo Cassady]

There seems to be a lot of folk love, although there are hardly ever threads about it. Interesting...

[thespearkid]

We need one. Making one now.

[versus_god]

I like the punk rock.

[summer skin]

Like those 'I Can Only Imagine' pricks?
CaZl1RrTnco
I dare you to try and sit through this shit.

[thespearkid]

CaZl1RrTnco
I dare you to try and sit through this shit.
That was easy.

[summer skin]

That was easy.
You must have a higher tolerance for shitty music than I do

[x togepi x]

pop-punk, indie, math rock, post-rock, and folk

i sincerely doubt you listen to math rock.

[shit stroll]

video will not play

[summer skin]

J8ODpim1yOo

[thespearkid]

You must have a higher tolerance for shitty music than I do
That and the video didn't play. =)

[summer skin]

Well I replaced it. Same song, better video.

[hockeyguitar99]

i sincerely doubt you listen to math rock.

you don't have to believe me

Maps & Atlases are one of my favorite bands as are battles

[summer skin]

you don't have to believe me

Maps & Atlases are one of my favorite bands as are battles
http://datesbubbas.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/nametag.jpg
Here's that NAME tag that you DROPPED.

[x togepi x]

you don't have to believe me

Maps & Atlases are one of my favorite bands as are battles
You were the one who called Circa Survive a math rock band so you should get expected to be called out on this shit.

[x togepi x]

http://datesbubbas.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/nametag.jpg
Here's that NAME tag that you DROPPED.

haha

[thespearkid]

Well I replaced it. Same song, better video.
I didn't get through 40 seconds of that.

[hockeyguitar99]

You were the one who called Circa Survive a math rock band so you should get expected to be called out on this shit.


you're right, and i corrected the RIYL. I'm not gonna say I wasn't wrong there, but I actually like those bands, whether you believe me or not is you're choice.

[summer skin]

you're right, and i corrected the RIYL. I'm not gonna say I wasn't wrong there, but I actually like those bands, whether you believe me or not is you're choice.
HELLA or GTFO

[thesafeword]

Anything from the original DC scene, the following wave of bands who were influenced by those bands, the midwest scene, stuff like that. It's just that these days you have to specify "real emo" so people don't think you mean MCR and shit like that. But you guys here are pretty knowledgable about such things so I probably didn't need to clarify.
Thought I would get to mess with some little scenester kid who thought MCR and shit was emo. I guess not, way to ruin my hopes. Haha.

[notoaststereo]

rock

[Chris Fallon]

HELLA or GTFO
Hahaha

[x togepi x]

you're right, and i corrected the RIYL. I'm not gonna say I wasn't wrong there, but I actually like those bands, whether you believe me or not is you're choice.

well they are the two math bands that it's trendy to like so i "believe" you.

[El_Jeffe]

i'll be real vague & say world music, since it covers traditional ska, roots reggae, & soo many other roots music variables (some even claim folk as a branch on the world tree)

[MyNameIsRoss]

CaZl1RrTnco
I dare you to try and sit through this shit.

didn't work :/

[makeasound]

Whatever peaks my interest at any given time.

[ThemChains]

The kind to sex to.

[secretsociety92]

Rock and Metal is what I basically listen to but there is more.

[Angylion Gefell]

Industrial.

[theguy77]

http://datesbubbas.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/nametag.jpg
Here's that NAME tag that you DROPPED.

hahahahahhaa

[xerovision1]

um, older rock-n-roll.

[Talibantastic]

Emo/Metalcore

[hollycroftpop]

The kind to sex to.

lulz.

[Jumpoff]

you're right, and i corrected the RIYL. I'm not gonna say I wasn't wrong there, but I actually like those bands, whether you believe me or not is you're choice.

You said Pop punk wasn't punk also.


My favorite genres are either hip hop, punk, or reggae/ska. I can't choose really.

[loveisdead]

Pop punk and indie probably.

[wewascontenders]

Pop punk, hardcore, punk.

[Hey Kevin]

Awesome music.

looking at your avatar i'd back that 110%

[Hey Kevin]

Noise, Power Violence, and the more indie side of punk, screamo/emo stuff like Quiet Steps, Sunny Day Real estate, old Modest Mouse, Jawbreaker

[Pluto.]

I really like Shoegaze.

[ForeverDelayed]

Thought I would get to mess with some little scenester kid who thought MCR and shit was emo. I guess not, way to ruin my hopes. Haha.
Sorry to disappoint.

I guess I could possibly listen to MCR. If they had a different singer. And different lyrics. And different music. Aww fuck, I think I just killed my own joke.

[micahistheballs]

Like those 'I Can Only Imagine' pricks?
MercyMe is one of the best bands making music today.

[chipdip18]

Sorry to disappoint.

I guess I could possibly listen to MCR. If they had a different singer. And different lyrics. And different music. Aww fuck, I think I just killed my own joke.


It would have been fine if you left this much out.

[ForeverDelayed]

It would have been fine if you left this much out.
I'm still getting the hang of this whole cleverness thing. Bear with me.

;)

[tfar06]

ethnic

[MyNameIsRoss]

MercyMe is one of the best bands making music today.

Really?

[kitti_katt420]

Circa Survive is not indie, experimental, or post hardcore.

Circa Survive IS indie becuase they are on an indie lable (Equal Vision would be an independant record lable...whichin case you didnt know is what "indie" means)...and they are experimental because noone sounded like that before the band came along.

[micahistheballs]

Really?
No.

[x togepi x]

Circa Survive IS indie becuase they are on an indie lable (Equal Vision would be an independant record lable...whichin case you didnt know is what "indie" means)...and they are experimental because noone sounded like that before the band came along.

they're not experimental at all. they don't do anything that hasn't been done before. sure, there might not be a band that takes all the elements they combine together and combine them in the same way that they do, but there's nothing experimental about them unless you think every band that isn't a cover band is experimental.

[micahistheballs]

Circa Survive IS indie becuase they are on an indie lable (Equal Vision would be an independant record lable...whichin case you didnt know is what "indie" means)...and they are experimental because noone sounded like that before the band came along.
False on so many levels. Being on an independent label does not inherently make you an "indie" band as it is more of a genre as opposed to a classification. Also, lots of bands have the same sound as Circa Survive just with less feminine vocals. They did not cause some sort of musical revolution with tons of imitators.

[x togepi x]

False on so many levels. Being on an independent label does not inherently make you an "indie" band as it is more of a genre as opposed to a classification. Also, lots of bands have the same sound as Circa Survive just with less feminine vocals. They did not cause some sort of musical revolution with tons of imitators.

do i need to link you to the thread where i pointed out how indie does mean independent because indie as a genre is meaningless? there's no such thing as indie as a genre because fugazi doesn't sound anything like iron and wine.

[micahistheballs]

do i need to link you to the thread where i pointed out how indie does mean independent because indie as a genre is meaningless? there's no such thing as indie as a genre because fugazi doesn't sound anything like iron and wine.
Haha, I'd rather you not. Just simplify it here for me to save reading. I see what you mean about the worthlessness of it as a genre. I've always just seen it as VERY wide ranging

[x togepi x]

Haha, I'd rather you not. Just simplify it here for me to save reading. I see what you mean about the worthlessness of it as a genre. I've always just seen it as VERY wide ranging

i kind of did in that post. the example about fugazi not sounding like iron and wine. i mean, for a genre to make sense, it can't really be wide ranging (at least as wide as you're claiming) because it's based on music theory.

unless we're talking about like musical trees. i could see how both fugazi and iron and wine could fit under the same musical tree since they aren't really mainstream pop rock. it's kind of vague so we both can be right.

[micahistheballs]

i kind of did in that post. the example about fugazi not sounding like iron and wine. i mean, for a genre to make sense, it can't really be wide ranging (at least as wide as you're claiming) because it's based on music theory.

unless we're talking about like musical trees. i could see how both fugazi and iron and wine could fit under the same musical tree since they aren't really mainstream pop rock. it's kind of vague so we both can be right.
Alright, I see what you're saying.

It is sort of a cop out to characterize either a hard to categorize band or a band that's popular, but kind of quirky, etc. etc. I will admit.

[MyNameIsRoss]

No.

haha, I thought you were joking.

[x togepi x]

Alright, I see what you're saying.

It is sort of a cop out to characterize either a hard to categorize band or a band that's popular, but kind of quirky, etc. etc. I will admit.

oh i'm sure there's a genre that it would fit into but i don't know what it'd be.

[ambiguous.dude]

alternative, indie, pop-punk, reggae, hardcore, post-rock, hip-hop.

[Kid B]

Circa Survive IS indie becuase they are on an indie lable (Equal Vision would be an independant record lable...whichin case you didnt know is what "indie" means)...and they are experimental because noone sounded like that before the band came along.
First, indie hasen't meant that for a long time. If you put things into a genre aside from what the music sounds like, then, well... that just doesn't make any sense.
Second, aside from that chipmunk voice, it very much has been done before. You just don't listen to anything that isn't mainstream, so you wouldn't know.

[El_Jeffe]

ethnic

straight up? i love world music, what sort of stuff are you into?

alternative, indie, pop-punk, reggae, hardcore, post-rock, hip-hop.

lovin' it. any favourites in particular?

[kitti_katt420]

First, indie hasen't meant that for a long time. If you put things into a genre aside from what the music sounds like, then, well... that just doesn't make any sense.
Second, aside from that chipmunk voice, it very much has been done before. You just don't listen to anything that isn't mainstream, so you wouldn't know.


really? anything that isnt mainstream huh? i read your post on my thread where you said the first band to change your life was the FUCKING ACADEMY IS. and how do you know what i listen to? oh thats right...cuz the academy is is by far THE most underground band out there. next your going to tell me that Green Day is your favorite punk band.

[kitti_katt420]

do i need to link you to the thread where i pointed out how indie does mean independent because indie as a genre is meaningless? there's no such thing as indie as a genre because fugazi doesn't sound anything like iron and wine.



thank you. my point exactly.

[Kid B]

really? anything that isnt mainstream huh? i read your post on my thread where you said the first band to change your life was the FUCKING ACADEMY IS. and how do you know what i listen to? oh thats right...cuz the academy is is by far THE most underground band out there. next your going to tell me that Green Day is your favorite punk band.
Lol You're right, my entire taste in music is defined by one band that I listened to years ago... you are a genius.

thank you. my point exactly.
I thought your point was to either make me look like I listen to nothing but mainstream music, or to prove that Circa Survive is indie/experimental. You have done neither. You never began speaking about what the definition of Indie is, so this couldn't possibly be your point.

[thesafeword]

Circa Survive is good, but neither indie nor experimental.

[hockeyguitar99]

You said Pop punk wasn't punk also.


My favorite genres are either hip hop, punk, or reggae/ska. I can't choose really.


Yeah I did, but whats widely considered pop-punk isn't punk at all.

[versus_god]

Pop-punk. You are a shithead.

[thesafeword]

Haha.

[x togepi x]

Yeah I did, but whats widely considered pop-punk isn't punk at all.

by people that don't know what pop punk is, but those people are wrong because you can't tell me the descendants or the ergs aren't punk bands.

[Chris Fallon]

Yeah I did, but whats widely considered pop-punk isn't punk at all.
See: Miley Cyrus thread. I gave a good explanation on why people are retarded when it comes to throwing the term "pop-punk" around there.

[hockeyguitar99]

See: Miley Cyrus thread. I gave a good explanation on why people are retarded when it comes to throwing the term "pop-punk" around there.


Haha, I saw that. If people labeled bands correctly it would be easier. Descendants should be what people consider pop-punk.

[hockeyguitar99]

by people that don't know what pop punk is, but those people are wrong because you can't tell me the descendants or the ergs aren't punk bands.


And I wouldn't tell you that.

[versus_god]

Calling most of the "pop-punk" bands discussed on this site pop-punk is like calling My Chemical Romance emo or Alesana post-hardcore.

[Chris Fallon]

It sickens me to think people consider CIWWAF and shit like that "pop-punk". Gross.

[hockeyguitar99]

Pop-punk. You are a shithead.

Except I said widely considered. I wouldn't say that The Ergs! or Descendants aren't a punk pop-punk band. However, motion city soundtrack shouldn't be considered pop-punk

[hockeyguitar99]

Calling most of the "pop-punk" bands discussed on this site pop-punk is like calling My Chemical Romance emo or Alesana post-hardcore.


Thats what I was trying to say.

[ThemChains]

Please ignore the previous two posts, they are most likely heinously irrelevant.

[kearn1tm]

Music is the bee's knees.

[Chris Fallon]

Please ignore the previous two posts, they are most likely heinously irrelevant.
Haha I just noticed your avatar.

[Hey Kevin]

I really like Shoegaze.
Can you tell me some good Shoegaze bands?
cause i kinda know what makes up that type of music musically and i enjoy bands like My Bloody Valentine and Sonic Youth who have been called Shoegaze but I've never heard anyother bands of that genre


and do people really use experimental as a genre?
I've always thought of it as like a word you add on to a genre, like experimental punk or experimental hip hop.

[Pluto.]

Can you tell me some good Shoegaze bands?
cause i kinda know what makes up that type of music musically and i enjoy bands like My Bloody Valentine and Sonic Youth who have been called Shoegaze but I've never heard anyother bands of that genre


and do people really use experimental as a genre?
I've always thought of it as like a word you add on to a genre, like experimental punk or experimental hip hop.

Sure sure! I'd love to. Well, Slowdive is my ultimate favorite Shoegaze band of all time. Some great songs are, Alison, Dagger, When The Sun Hits, Machine Gun, etc. I'm madly in love with their album Souvlaki. But the song that really got me into them was Dagger.

Ride is also a superb Shoegaze group. I really like Vapour Trail, Seagull, and Dreams Burn Down.

The Jesus and Mary Chain is also a great Scottish Shoegaze band. Just Like Honey is my personal favorite.

Those being said, I'd also check out...

The Daysleepers (Kind of a nu-Shoegaze band)
Cocteau Twins,
Chapterhouse,
Maybe even...Airiel. Firefly is such a great song. I listen to it before I fall asleep.:-)

[Hey Kevin]

Sure sure! I'd love to. Well, Slowdive is my ultimate favorite Shoegaze band of all time. Some great songs are, Alison, Dagger, When The Sun Hits, Machine Gun, etc. I'm madly in love with their album Souvlaki. But the song that really got me into them was Dagger.

Ride is also a superb Shoegaze group. I really like Vapour Trail, Seagull, and Dreams Burn Down.

The Jesus and Mary Chain is also a great Scottish Shoegaze band. Just Like Honey is my personal favorite.

Those being said, I'd also check out...

The Daysleepers (Kind of a nu-Shoegaze band)
Cocteau Twins,
Chapterhouse,
Maybe even...Airiel. Firefly is such a great song. I listen to it before I fall asleep.:-)

thanks so much!
i'll definitely check out these bands and i already know Jesus and Mary Chain totally rule.
i posted a thread about No Age, i think you'd like them, they have kind of a shoegaze/punk sound too them that is really poppy

[Pluto.]

thanks so much!
i'll definitely check out these bands and i already know Jesus and Mary Chain totally rule.
i posted a thread about No Age, i think you'd like them, they have kind of a shoegaze/punk sound too them that is really poppy

No problem! Anytime. :-)

Awesome. I'll check 'em out!

[IWasaCamera]

http://datesbubbas.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/nametag.jpg
Here's that NAME tag that you DROPPED.
hahaha

[theguy77]

It sickens me to think people consider CIWWAF and shit like that "pop-punk". Gross.

i call that powerpop and that's still wrong. i mean even the stuff i call pop-punk isnt really punk. but in that case it's based on a perception that "pop-punk" is pop thrown into a blender with punk, where the final product isnt either one specifically but some kind of in between genre with the aesthetics of both. however, to those whose preferences focus in real punk define "pop-punk" as just punk music with some sort of pop-sensibility. these interpretations have completely different implifications.

however, in spite of whoever hates my habit, im going to call taking back sunday's album "tell all your friends" pop-punk until they come up with a real subgenre for something in between the two. at present the term stands as the most accurate definition.

[Troggy]

Please ignore the previous two posts, they are most likely heinously irrelevant.

:appl:

I'm not sure I have a favorite genre of music. I don't pretend to like them all, but there isn't really a standout in my music collection.

[theguy77]

i kind of did in that post. the example about fugazi not sounding like iron and wine. i mean, for a genre to make sense, it can't really be wide ranging (at least as wide as you're claiming) because it's based on music theory.

unless we're talking about like musical trees. i could see how both fugazi and iron and wine could fit under the same musical tree since they aren't really mainstream pop rock. it's kind of vague so we both can be right.

i know weve had this discussion already recently but i just wanted to point out that iron & wine vs. fugazi isnt a really good example for me because, in association of the term "indie" to apply to a certain sound, neither of those bands fall under that sound. iron & wine is southern folk while fugazi is post-hardcore to me.

[Troggy]

i know weve had this discussion already recently but i just wanted to point out that iron & wine vs. fugazi isnt a really good example for me because, in association of the term "indie" to apply to a certain sound, neither of those bands fall under that sound. iron & wine is southern folk while fugazi is post-hardcore to me.

on my itunes i abuse the heck out of the genre "indie" for simplicity's sake haha

[wewascontenders]

I hide the genre tab on my iTunes because I honestly don't care what it is.

[Troggy]

I hide the genre tab on my iTunes because I honestly don't care what it is.

I use it for sorting sometimes when i make playlists :shrug:

[fly_guy]

I hide the genre tab on my iTunes because I honestly don't care what it is.

Im way picky about how my itunes library looks, haha

[theguy77]

I hide the genre tab on my iTunes because I honestly don't care what it is.

i should do that. otherwise i get too OCD and start changing everything. i dont even classify albums, i will go in each album and if one song sounds different than the rest it becomes a different genre. its disgusting.

[Troggy]

i should do that. otherwise i get too OCD and start changing everything. i dont even classify albums, i will go in each album and if one song sounds different than the rest it becomes a different genre. its disgusting.

hahahahaha that's wrong, i genre per album please

[wewascontenders]

I'd probably do the same if I had the attention span.

[ForeverDelayed]

i call that powerpop and that's still wrong. i mean even the stuff i call pop-punk isnt really punk. but in that case it's based on a perception that "pop-punk" is pop thrown into a blender with punk, where the final product isnt either one specifically but some kind of in between genre with the aesthetics of both. however, to those whose preferences focus in real punk define "pop-punk" as just punk music with some sort of pop-sensibility. these interpretations have completely different implifications.

however, in spite of whoever hates my habit, im going to call taking back sunday's album "tell all your friends" pop-punk until they come up with a real subgenre for something in between the two. at present the term stands as the most accurate definition.
How about "pop"? To me a lot of the bands in question sound like shitty pop bands that couldn't write a decent hook to save their lives, so to cover up for this they crank up the distortion and do a fake punk snarl and throw in some screams and drum loops here and there. But stip away all of that and you're left with pop. Not good pop, but still pop. Adding prefixes and suffixes doesn't change that for me.

[theguy77]

How about "pop"? To me a lot of the bands in question sound like shitty pop bands that couldn't write a decent hook to save their lives, so to cover up for this they crank up the distortion and do a fake punk snarl and throw in some screams and drum loops here and there. But stip away all of that and you're left with pop. Not good pop, but still pop. Adding prefixes and suffixes doesn't change that for me.

you and i are not talking about the same music here. pop is "music" crafted entirely for the melody and appeal of the maximum number of target listeners. you're absolutely right, a few power chords and a little screaming are just part of the facade propped up for that specified appeal. but a lot of whether music is pop or not comes down to the integrity of the songwriting process, whether it's the band being themselves and being creative, writing the music their own intrinsic way and just adding a melody to it, or if its them following a specific formula simplified directly to match a listener looking for a melody and a certain overall aesthetic to go with it. im saying, if it's about aesthetic, or in other words, audiographical image, which goes along with that vocal melody, then it's pop. but if its about songs, writing what feels right without worrying about how it comes off to others, then the songwriting is punk (by ideology, not by genre). now, granted, there is a lot of grey area, and i listen to a lot of that grey area. but when i hear a band writing riffs that came from random inspiration in their garage and not from a book of chronicled marketing success, i refuse to call them totally pop. maybe they use production tactics in between that are known to work to round the songs off in a specific way, but the base songwriting is about the song itself.

[Hey Kevin]

I'd probably do the same if I had the attention span.
^^

[AP_Punk]

TAYF is a pop rock album!

[versus_god]

TAYF is a pop rock album!
!!!

[wewascontenders]

I lost my burnt copy of TAYF.

[theguy77]

TAYF is a pop rock album!

kirbie, i know. it's wrong to call it pop-punk. but its the closest genre to it in my opinion, because i feel it doesnt have a genre yet.

[versus_god]

Tatecore.

[Hey Kevin]

its all about post-pop-punk

[AP_Punk]

kirbie, i know. it's wrong to call it pop-punk. but its the closest genre to it in my opinion, because i feel it doesnt have a genre yet.

i'd say pop punk is more along the lines of bands like discount, teenage bottlerocket, the ergs!, the copyrights, (some) screeching weasel etc., etc.

genres are messy to figure out ... sometimes. damn those bands that blur the lines!

[AP_Punk]

Tatecore.

this.

[versus_god]

Screeching Weasel is all pop-punk.

[AP_Punk]

Screeching Weasel is all pop-punk.

yeaaa, thinking about it again - you're right. forget my "(some)" part.

[checkered.stars]

Catchy music.

[theguy77]

you and i are not talking about the same music here. pop is "music" crafted entirely for the melody and appeal of the maximum number of target listeners. you're absolutely right, a few power chords and a little screaming are just part of the facade propped up for that specified appeal. but a lot of whether music is pop or not comes down to the integrity of the songwriting process, whether it's the band being themselves and being creative, writing the music their own intrinsic way and just adding a melody to it, or if its them following a specific formula simplified directly to match a listener looking for a melody and a certain overall aesthetic to go with it. im saying, if it's about aesthetic, or in other words, audiographical image, which goes along with that vocal melody, then it's pop. but if its about songs, writing what feels right without worrying about how it comes off to others, then the songwriting is punk (by ideology, not by genre). now, granted, there is a lot of grey area, and i listen to a lot of that grey area. but when i hear a band writing riffs that came from random inspiration in their garage and not from a book of chronicled marketing success, i refuse to call them totally pop. maybe they use production tactics in between that are known to work to round the songs off in a specific way, but the base songwriting is about the song itself.

so is anybody going to pay attention to this important post i made? hahahaa

/attention whore

but seriously this is my nitty gritty right here.

[El_Jeffe]

why is "pop" seen as such a negative tag these days? i know a number of "pop bands" (& i'm sure others do to) that have a strong diy ethic, create music & tour the way they want to, on their own terms. they produce some great music too. i think there's a difference between the pop realm & the manufactured music world

i'm aware pop music came from the term "popular music" ie. those gaining plenty of radio play etc back in the day. but i think the term has a whole new meaning now a days

[theguy77]

why is "pop" seen as such a negative tag these days? i know a number of "pop bands" (& i'm sure others do to) that have a strong diy ethic, create music & tour the way they want to, on their own terms. they produce some great music too. i think there's a difference between the pop realm & the manufactured music world

i'm aware pop music came from the term "popular music" ie. those gaining plenty of radio play etc back in the day. but i think the term has a whole new meaning now a days

yeah i mean the mainstream has always been focused on the marketability formula, but then ALL radio music started sucking around the year 2000 and gave me a whole new opinion on just what the word "pop" is realy about

[versus_god]

Listen to the Last. Great pop music.

[x togepi x]

you and i are not talking about the same music here. pop is "music" crafted entirely for the melody and appeal of the maximum number of target listeners. you're absolutely right, a few power chords and a little screaming are just part of the facade propped up for that specified appeal. but a lot of whether music is pop or not comes down to the integrity of the songwriting process, whether it's the band being themselves and being creative, writing the music their own intrinsic way and just adding a melody to it, or if its them following a specific formula simplified directly to match a listener looking for a melody and a certain overall aesthetic to go with it. im saying, if it's about aesthetic, or in other words, audiographical image, which goes along with that vocal melody, then it's pop. but if its about songs, writing what feels right without worrying about how it comes off to others, then the songwriting is punk (by ideology, not by genre). now, granted, there is a lot of grey area, and i listen to a lot of that grey area. but when i hear a band writing riffs that came from random inspiration in their garage and not from a book of chronicled marketing success, i refuse to call them totally pop. maybe they use production tactics in between that are known to work to round the songs off in a specific way, but the base songwriting is about the song itself.


The bolded statement is wrong because it makes the ideology of punk meaningless. Punk isn't "do whatever you want." You can't have a subculture that doesn't have standards or rules. besides, who's to say people who write pop music aren't writing what feels right?

[Carlo Marx]

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[chipdip18]

The bolded statement is wrong because it makes the ideology of punk meaningless. Punk isn't "do whatever you want." You can't have a subculture that doesn't have standards or rules. besides, who's to say people who write pop music aren't writing what feels right?


I love your posts by the way. You always bring up good points and add to the discussion. You have awesome counterpoints to what people say.

[chipdip18]

myspacecore


best genre EVER!!!!

[x togepi x]

I love your posts by the way. You always bring up good points and add to the discussion. You have awesome counterpoints to what people say.

well thanks that's very nice of you.

[chipdip18]

well thanks that's very nice of you.



No problem. Thanks for making the forum more interesting.

[ForeverDelayed]

I think I have to disagree re: pop music. Just because something is pop doesn't mean it was written to be all about melody and record sales and that sort of thing. Many pop bands and musicians just love the sounds of popular music, and when they write something from their heart and don't worry about how it sounds, it comes out sounding like pop music. Pop isn't and shouldn't be a bad word in the musical dictionary. If shitty pop music is crafted to appeal to the greatest number of people possible and nothing else, it isn't because it's pop music, it's because it's shitty music. Does that make any sense? It does inside my head, but I'm not sure if it's coming across very well. I guess the bottom line is that I don't see the punk in a lot of these so-called pop-punk bands, I just see shitty pop music dressed up in punk clothing. Real pop-punk manages to combine both the pop and the punk - strong melodies, catchy hooks, etc, and the DIY ethic. But crap like Motion City Soundtrack and CIWWAF just takes the pop and dresses it in punk clothing. Except that it's horrible pop, because not only is it most likely written just to appeal to whiney little scene kids, it's also bland and un-catchy and melodically uninteresting. So that's why I say it's shitty pop. I think that should be a new genre actually ;)

And as for the origins of the name "pop", yes it does come from popular music, but not quite in the way you're thinking. Not popular as in whatever sells a lot of copies and tops the charts and whatnot, but popular as in the music of the average person, ie not classical music. That's where it originally came from, and using a loose definition you could say that all rock music is pop music. And popular doesn't necessarily mean popular, some of the best pop bands of all time didn't sound like what was ruling the charts and didn't sell a lot of albums. And a lot of what sells big these days is only considered pop in the "not classical" sense of the word.

[theguy77]

The bolded statement is wrong because it makes the ideology of punk meaningless. Punk isn't "do whatever you want." You can't have a subculture that doesn't have standards or rules. besides, who's to say people who write pop music aren't writing what feels right?

its all based on perception and in some cases its far more obvious than others. heck based on interviews and even the band biography, i know red jumpsuit apparatus dont have their hearts in the right place. and at the same time i mean michael jackson for instance is universally recognized as the king of pop as a genre, but he doesnt follow the pop ideology based on my perception.

in addressing the point of how subcultures have to have standards or rules, im not going to act like some expert on the topic -- theres like 5 real punk bands i keep in my rotation. but if this is an argument of opinions which arent as educated as they could be, i'd have to say if i created the "punk" philosophy it wouldnt be a subculture which could be aimed for, just one that appeared in artists who werent aiming for one at all. anti-image, anti-appearance, anti-surface decor.

[ForeverDelayed]

its all based on perception and in some cases its far more obvious than others. heck based on interviews and even the band biography, i know red jumpsuit apparatus dont have their hearts in the right place. and at the same time i mean michael jackson for instance is universally recognized as the king of pop as a genre, but he doesnt follow the pop ideology based on my perception.
For every band like RJA, I can name 20 who write great pop music because it's what they love. I think you're just not listening to the right pop music. Ignore the shitpop and check out stuff like Beulah, Teenage Fanclub, Dr. Dog, Fountains of Wayne, Belle and Sebastian, Sloan, The Minders, I could go on and on. Pop music, when done right, is a beautiful thing. Pop music, when done wrong, is what causes discussions like this one.

[theguy77]

I think I have to disagree re: pop music. Just because something is pop doesn't mean it was written to be all about melody and record sales and that sort of thing. Many pop bands and musicians just love the sounds of popular music, and when they write something from their heart and don't worry about how it sounds, it comes out sounding like pop music. Pop isn't and shouldn't be a bad word in the musical dictionary. If shitty pop music is crafted to appeal to the greatest number of people possible and nothing else, it isn't because it's pop music, it's because it's shitty music. Does that make any sense? It does inside my head, but I'm not sure if it's coming across very well. I guess the bottom line is that I don't see the punk in a lot of these so-called pop-punk bands, I just see shitty pop music dressed up in punk clothing. Real pop-punk manages to combine both the pop and the punk - strong melodies, catchy hooks, etc, and the DIY ethic. But crap like Motion City Soundtrack and CIWWAF just takes the pop and dresses it in punk clothing. Except that it's horrible pop, because not only is it most likely written just to appeal to whiney little scene kids, it's also bland and un-catchy and melodically uninteresting. So that's why I say it's shitty pop. I think that should be a new genre actually ;)

And as for the origins of the name "pop", yes it does come from popular music, but not quite in the way you're thinking. Not popular as in whatever sells a lot of copies and tops the charts and whatnot, but popular as in the music of the average person, ie not classical music. That's where it originally came from, and using a loose definition you could say that all rock music is pop music. And popular doesn't necessarily mean popular, some of the best pop bands of all time didn't sound like what was ruling the charts and didn't sell a lot of albums. And a lot of what sells big these days is only considered pop in the "not classical" sense of the word.

the bolded point is exactly how my band is, but my problem is most people do associate pop-sensability with a negative connotation, and i dont want to get thrown into a pool of bands who write the pop way for no other reason than the money it makes, just becuase i share their mainstream appeal.

when i created my definition of pop, i forgot to specify that i meant it by ideology, not by sound. i am in no way saying just because music is catchy, popular, and fairly typical production-wise, that it lacks integrity, because that would mean my own band was fake (minus the popularity part lol). but what i am saying is that i notice a trend in most the mainstream music you describe where it seems to lack integrity and totally be geared to the way they come off to others and to the scene they prefer to associate themselves with artificially. and as i said it is based on perception, i could be wrong on many accounts when im namedropping specific bands, but i know im not the only one who hears what i hear in the bands becoming most popular these days.

[x togepi x]

its all based on perception and in some cases its far more obvious than others. heck based on interviews and even the band biography, i know red jumpsuit apparatus dont have their hearts in the right place. and at the same time i mean michael jackson for instance is universally recognized as the king of pop as a genre, but he doesnt follow the pop ideology based on my perception.

there isn't really a "pop" ideology. some people like writing pop music because that's what they like writing. what you're describing as the "pop" ideology is really the "music as a commodity" ideology, which does exist, but isn't limited to pop music, but really anyone that's writing music for popularity/$$$/etc. i mean metallica isn't really pop, but the fit into this ideology as much as any band we'd criticize here.

in addressing the point of how subcultures have to have standards or rules, im not going to act like some expert on the topic -- theres like 5 real punk bands i keep in my rotation. but if this is an argument of opinions which arent as educated as they could be, i'd have to say if i created the "punk" philosophy it wouldnt be a subculture which could be aimed for, just one that appeared in artists who werent aiming for one at all. anti-image, anti-appearance, anti-surface decor.

your view here is historically inaccurate. punk was never "anti-image, anti-apperance, anti-surface decor". it was always about creating an alternative to the dominant social structure, or overthrowing the structure itself (depending on what bands you talk to). image doesn't really matter in that scene. its possible to be accepted no matter what stylistic choices you make regarding your appearance. i mean fuck, i used to look like william fucking beckett and i was still really accepted in it.

[ForeverDelayed]

the bolded point is exactly how my band is, but my problem is most people do associate pop-sensability with a negative connotation, and i dont want to get thrown into a pool of bands who write the pop way for no other reason than the money it makes, just becuase i share their mainstream appeal.
I see what you're saying now. But I guess this is just one of those things I don't care about. Rather than worry about the negative connotations of pop music, I use that very negative connotation to educate people on what good pop music is. When someone asks me to describe my music, I usually don't get any more in depth than to say "pop." I wear it like a badge of honor, and if someone doesn't like it then they kiss my ass. Which I guess makes me punk? lol

[theguy77]

there isn't really a "pop" ideology. some people like writing pop music because that's what they like writing. what you're describing as the "pop" ideology is really the "music as a commodity" ideology, which does exist, but isn't limited to pop music, but really anyone that's writing music for popularity/$$$/etc. i mean metallica isn't really pop, but the fit into this ideology as much as any band we'd criticize here.

your view here is historically inaccurate. punk was never "anti-image, anti-apperance, anti-surface decor". it was always about creating an alternative to the dominant social structure, or overthrowing the structure itself (depending on what bands you talk to). image doesn't really matter in that scene. its possible to be accepted no matter what stylistic choices you make regarding your appearance. i mean fuck, i used to look like william fucking beckett and i was still really accepted in it.

the word "image" is not just limited to the visual. a "sound image" is more of what i was getting at. but anyway yeah i understand punk philosophy was largely based on something political. maybe calling my argument "pop vs punk" is using the wrong nomenclature altogether. its more like "marketing vs songwriting" even though thats too simple and obvious for me to be content with the points im making lol. i guess i just make a connection becuase nearly all music which has made it to the mainstream in the last decade seems to lack that honesty and intrinsic writing, it's wrong of me to call it all pop and say that nothing outside of the mainsream is pop, but its like theres something thats keeping whats honest separate from whats most marketable in modern day.

[thesafeword]

myspacecore
This.

[ambiguous.dude]

lovin' it. any favourites in particular?

Bedouin Soundclash and Slightly Stoopid are 2 great reggae bands, I also like illScarlett which is more a punk reggae band but pretty cool.

[MADSTA]

Not sure if I could pick one. I guess I'll say powerpop, (real) emo, singer/songwriter, and jazz.
I was unaware that singer/songwriter was a genre.

[thesafeword]

Haha.

[ForeverDelayed]

I was unaware that singer/songwriter was a genre.
Ehh, it probably isn't. I'm just not sure how to categorize a lot of the stuff that I listen to. Stuff that typically involves one guy, but can involve a backing band (but is a whole different dynamic than that of a band collaboration), can be folksy but can also wander into pop and rock territory, etc. A ton of artists fit this description, but it's easier for me to lump them together and call them "singer/songwriters" than to say "well so-and-so is folk, this guy is pop, this guy is rock, this guy is..." I dunno. The thread says type of music, not genre, and at least in my head this is a type of music, which can encompass several genres. But others might see it differently, and that's cool. What makes sense in one man's head doesn't in another's.

[Yes. And?]

Stuff.

[Yes. And?]

there isn't really a "pop" ideology. some people like writing pop music because that's what they like writing. what you're describing as the "pop" ideology is really the "music as a commodity" ideology, which does exist, but isn't limited to pop music, but really anyone that's writing music for popularity/$$$/etc. i mean metallica isn't really pop, but the fit into this ideology as much as any band we'd criticize here.



your view here is historically inaccurate. punk was never "anti-image, anti-apperance, anti-surface decor". it was always about creating an alternative to the dominant social structure, or overthrowing the structure itself (depending on what bands you talk to). image doesn't really matter in that scene. its possible to be accepted no matter what stylistic choices you make regarding your appearance. i mean fuck, i used to look like william fucking beckett and i was still really accepted in it.
Used to?

[absolutecrunk]

Oh was this thread cool and i missed it?