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Justin_stacy
05/24/04, 11:41 PM
Kansas gives illegal aliens tuition break


By Joyce Howard Price
THE WASHINGTON TIMES


Kansas Gov. Kathleen Sebelius has signed legislation that will allow some illegal immigrants to pay in-state tuition at state colleges and universities, instead of the higher out-of-state rate.
Kansas is the eighth state to pass legislation offering tuition breaks to illegal immigrants. Gov. Sebelius, a Democrat, signed the bill Thursday, and it becomes law July 1.


The Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) says such laws discriminate against U.S. citizens, and it intends to challenge the constitutionality of the Kansas measure in court.
"Under the guise of compassion, Gov. Sebelius and the [Republican-dominated] Kansas Legislature are denying educational opportunities and financial assistance to hard-working, law-abiding Kansans and Americans from other states," said Daniel Stein, executive director of FAIR.
Noting that such benefits are "finite resources," Mr. Stein said: "The consequences of Gov. Sebelius' decision is that there are American kids in Kansas who will not get into the University of Kansas or other state-run schools because the governor and state legislators have given their spots to illegal aliens."
In-state tuition in Kansas is only about one-third the cost of out-of-state fees. For example, in the current semester, in-state tuition for 15 credit hours at Kansas State University is $1,755, compared with $5,700 for undergraduates from other states.
The new Kansas law extends in-state tuition to illegal immigrants who have attended a Kansas high school at least three years and graduated or earned a graduation-equivalency degree.
Mr. Stein held that "college-tuition subsidies are ... a good reason to stay in this country illegally," adding: "America has an enormous and growing illegal population precisely because violating our immigration laws is tolerated and rewarded."
Despite opposition from several Republican House leaders in the state Legislature, the bill passed the Republican-controlled House, 81-43, in February 2003. It passed the Senate, also dominated by Republicans, earlier this month by a margin of 25-15.
Asked why some Republicans backed the bill, Mike Hethmon, staff counsel for FAIR, said, "superficially, it's a very sympathetic and easy move for politicians to make."
Gov. Sebelius' office could not be reached for comment on the new law.
But during the many months the bill was considered, proponents, including some Republicans, argued that many children in families of illegal immigrants would otherwise not be able to afford higher education. They said children should not be punished for the sins of their parents.
Mr. Hethmon, however, said the bill violates several federal statutes. One such statute, he said, prohibits state or local governments from providing postsecondary educational benefits to undocumented aliens. Another, he said, states that only the federal government can decide who enters the United States and under what conditions they can remain.
As for FAIR's pending suit against the Kansas law, Mr. Hethmon said the group is "working with a rainbow coalition of two dozen U.S. students from across the country" who may be plaintiffs.
Other states with similar legislation, Mr. Hethmon said, are Texas, California, Utah, Illinois, Washington, New York and Oklahoma. The Kansas City Star said two other states, Georgia and Delaware, have offered the same tuition benefits to illegal immigrants through decisions made by their state boards of higher education.

open mind
05/25/04, 12:00 AM
i've noticed you really don't like immigrants, anyways illegal immigrants shouldn't get scholarships.

Justin_stacy
05/25/04, 12:16 AM
i've noticed you really don't like immigrants, .
Just illegal ones......you don't discourage criminal activity by giving it benefits...

open mind
05/25/04, 12:21 AM
yeah i know, it seems to be a pretty big issue for you though.
like i said i agree, we shouldn't give illegal immigrants scholarships.

ohlookitspaul
05/25/04, 12:22 AM
scholarships, i agree with. but i don't think we should entirely forget them when it comes to everything else.

as maddox says...would you not help out a guy stuck in the bottom of a well because he leaned too close to the edge? "oh no, it's his fault, screw him, let's go"

shit...it goes something like that. just wondering what your opinion of that goes.

open mind
05/25/04, 12:30 AM
i'm of the opinion that it's not the immigrants that are the main problem but the way world trade is set up, if we had trade agreements in place that ensured people across the globe were payed well, and not taken advantage of we wouldn't have a big problem with immigration.

Justin_stacy
05/25/04, 12:31 AM
, it seems to be a pretty big issue for you though.
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its one of the biggest threats to america.....but like anything else everone has the one issue that really bugs them the most, mine is criminal immigrants and yours, from what i can tell, is the corporate tax system?...

ohlookitspaul
05/25/04, 12:40 AM
i'm just curious, not to be an asshole or anything, more to be a devil's advocate...how exactly is it one of the biggest threats of america?

open mind
05/25/04, 12:51 AM
its one of the biggest threats to america.....but like anything else everone has the one issue that really bugs them the most, mine is criminal immigrants and yours, from what i can tell, is the corporate tax system?...
i don't really have one issue that bugs me exactly, i do hate how the war on terror is being handled, censorship, racism, hypocritical animal rights groups, the current tax system, corporate welfare, how world trade is handled, and the justice system among other things.

Justin_stacy
05/25/04, 01:03 AM
...how exactly is it one of the biggest threats of america?

well theres the financial burden (in hospitals, schools, social programs, etc.) or theres the loyality issue or the border problem or hindrance assimilation .....but remember that we feel differently about issues, so what i see as a threat to America, you may not...

open mind
05/25/04, 01:21 AM
i think immigration is a problem but it's not the root of the problem, stiffer punishments won't solve anything it's the lack of economic oppritunity due to bad free trade agreements, if we wanna stop immigration from being a problem the best way to stop it would be to take away the main reason illegal immigrants come here.

yeat182
05/25/04, 09:19 AM
scholarships, i agree with. but i don't think we should entirely forget them when it comes to everything else.

as maddox says...would you not help out a guy stuck in the bottom of a well because he leaned too close to the edge? "oh no, it's his fault, screw him, let's go"

shit...it goes something like that. just wondering what your opinion of that goes.


that is a poor analogy. falling into a well isn't illegal.

yeat182
05/25/04, 09:20 AM
i think immigration is a problem but it's not the root of the problem, stiffer punishments won't solve anything it's the lack of economic oppritunity due to bad free trade agreements, if we wanna stop immigration from being a problem the best way to stop it would be to take away the main reason illegal immigrants come here.

take away their jobs?

Justin_stacy
05/25/04, 11:04 AM
i think immigration is a problem but it's not the root of the problem, stiffer punishments won't solve anything it's the lack of economic oppritunity due to bad free trade agreements, if we wanna stop immigration from being a problem the best way to stop it would be to take away the main reason illegal immigrants come here.

first i never said we should "punish" them, i don't think we should lock up every illegal or deport them all....what i said is that we shouldn't promote criminal behavior, we shouldn't offer them bennefits because they chose to break laws that "we" created…...but do I their situation suck, yes, but it is not mine nor your responsibility to correct the faults of their homeland and their elected government......

*And also if you really want to "stop" immigration we'll need to do what they did in Laredo and Southern California…

sweetsugar
05/25/04, 12:24 PM
i'm of the opinion that it's not the immigrants that are the main problem but the way world trade is set up, if we had trade agreements in place that ensured people across the globe were payed well, and not taken advantage of we wouldn't have a big problem with immigration.
OMG....we agree on something

ohlookitspaul
05/25/04, 01:24 PM
that is a poor analogy. falling into a well isn't illegal.

it's just the principle behind it. fine then. let's go with another analogy...a kid tried to jump over a fence guarding a government installation and is currently hanging on it, getting shocked because it's an electric fence. help him?

i know i'm stretching the analogy, but like i said, i'm just talking about the principle behind it.

ohlookitspaul
05/25/04, 01:25 PM
well theres the financial burden (in hospitals, schools, social programs, etc.) or theres the loyality issue or the border problem or hindrance assimilation .....but remember that we feel differently about issues, so what i see as a threat to America, you may not...

i think maybe i don't feel it's as big of a threat as other problems because i myself am an immigrant (legal, though).

open mind
05/25/04, 09:16 PM
take away their jobs?
no, take away the economic motivations for coming here by setting up free trade so people can make enough money to live in their own countries.

yeat182
05/25/04, 09:37 PM
no, take away the economic motivations for coming here by setting up free trade so people can make enough money to live in their own countries.

that is the job of the mexican government, not ours.

open mind
05/25/04, 09:45 PM
yes pass the blame to mexico, even though we don't have to sign agreements that allow corporations to take advantage of people across the globe.

yeat182
05/25/04, 09:47 PM
if the mexican government created a better working environment in mexico, then they wouldn't need to risk their lives to come to america would they? yes, we wouldn't want to blame those that are responsible would we?

open mind
05/25/04, 09:53 PM
we're as big a part of it as mexico, we sign on to the way things are and allow things to stay the same through our trade agreements, if we just didn't sign agreements allowing this shit, and instead signed agreements that insure good wages for everyone, no matter where they are, we'd solve the problems of the loss of american jobs, and immigration, killing 2 birds with one stone.