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Justin_stacy
05/27/04, 01:24 PM
Gore demands six resignations


By Amy ***an
THE WASHINGTON TIMES


Citing what he called "arrogance, willfulness and bungling" by President Bush in his foreign policy, Al Gore yesterday blamed flawed policies for the abuse of Iraqi prisoners and said six administration officials should resign because of the Iraq situation.
In a fiery speech at New York University — sponsored by the political action committee of the liberal group MoveOn.org — the former vice president called for the resignations of Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, CIA Director George J. Tenet, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, and Douglas J. Feith and Stephen A. Cambone, both undersecretaries of defense.

Mr. Gore told a cheering crowd that the Bush foreign policy was "a disaster" and that this group of six was responsible, as were the president and vice president.
A spokesman for the Bush-Cheney campaign said Mr. Gore's speech was "outside of the mainstream" and "fails to recognize the seriousness" of the war on terror. "Al Gore today, acting on behalf of the Kerry campaign, delivered an extremely angry, factually inaccurate political attack, filled with pessimism and defeatist rhetoric," said spokesman Steve Schmidt.
Mr. Gore also said that the prisoner-abuse scandal is a direct result of the attitude and policies of an arrogant administration that rejects any check on its power.
"What happened at the prison, it is now clear, was not the result of random acts by 'a few bad apples.' It was the natural consequence of the Bush administration policy that has dismantled ... wise constraints and has made war on America's checks and balances," he said.
Mr. Gore said the administration is guilty of ignoring the Geneva Conventions with regard to Iraq, rejecting military leaders' assessment of troop numbers, denying soldiers adequate tools and failing to plan to prevent looting and lawlessness there.
He said Mr. Bush has "created more anger and righteous indignation" against Americans than any other U.S. leader, because of his "contempt for any person, institution or nation who disagrees with him."
The problem began, Mr. Gore said, with the administration's new foreign policy of pre-emption and domination.
A Republican National Committee memo pointed out that Mr. Gore in 1998 had urged national unity against Saddam Hussein, the Iraqi dictator who was ousted in the U.S.-led invasion last year. "[I]f you allow someone like Saddam Hussein to get nuclear weapons, ballistic missiles, chemical weapons, biological weapons, how many people is he going to kill with such weapons?" Mr. Gore had asked.
Meanwhile, Mr. Gore heaped praise on Democratic presidential contender Sen. John Kerry, but said the Massachusetts Democrat shouldn't have to provide his own detailed plan for the Iraq situation until after he wins the election because too many things could change in Iraq between now and then.



Republican Party Says Gore Shouldn't Be Attacking Bush

(CNSNews.com) - The Republican National Committee says Al Gore's attack on President Bush shows one of two things: "either he does not understand the threat of global terror, or he has amnesia." In a statement, RNC Communications Director Jim Dyke noted that Gore served as vice president of the United States for eight years. "During that time, Osama Bin Laden declared war on the United States five times and terrorists killed US citizens on at least four different occasions including the first bombing of the World Trade Center, the attacks on Khobar Towers, our embassies in East Africa, and the USS Cole."

venus/bacchus
05/27/04, 07:46 PM
And at that same speech, he used clips from The Day After Tomorrow and said "this is what will happen to America is George W. Bush is re-elected."

...said the Massachusetts Democrat shouldn't have to provide his own detailed plan for the Iraq situation until after he wins the election because too many things could change in Iraq between now and then.
I thought that was particularly amusing. If Bush were to say "we're not sure what's going to happen, so we won't plan anything or attempt to plan anything until this whole mess is straightened out a bit", he'd be flamed to no end. How are the people supposed to know what they're voting for?

worldstheory
05/27/04, 08:30 PM
A Republican National Committee memo pointed out that Mr. Gore in 1998 had urged national unity against Saddam Hussein, the Iraqi dictator who was ousted in the U.S.-led invasion last year. "[I]f you allow someone like Saddam Hussein to get nuclear weapons, ballistic missiles, chemical weapons, biological weapons, how many people is he going to kill with such weapons?" Mr. Gore had asked.Anyone who accuses President Bush of waging a "personal war" needs to accuse the Clinton Administration of the same thing. Or has everyone forgotten about those guys already?

I find it disgusting that the name of the writer of the article is partly obscured just because the administrators of this site are so paranoid that we will say something offensive.

Justin_stacy
05/28/04, 01:06 PM
no, it was like that when i cut and pasted it from another site....absolute punk didn't do it..

worldstheory
05/28/04, 05:15 PM
Oh, sorry to absolutepunk.net. My mistake.

open mind
05/28/04, 08:14 PM
not that the clinton administration was perfect or anything, but i don't remember them going forward with pre-emptive wars.

worldstheory
05/29/04, 05:08 PM
Clinton ordered a series of airstrikes against Saddam in November, 1998, because Saddam failed to comply with weapons inspections. But Clinton cancelled the attack at the last minute because Saddam appeared to be more cooperative. Here's what Clinton had to say about it over five years ago:

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1998/12/16/transcripts/clinton.html

UndefinedBoy
05/29/04, 11:01 PM
Clinton ordered a series of airstrikes against Saddam in November, 1998, because Saddam failed to comply with weapons inspections. But Clinton cancelled the attack at the last minute because Saddam appeared to be more cooperative. Here's what Clinton had to say about it over five years ago:

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1998/12/16/transcripts/clinton.html

That's still not a pre-emptive war...

cal1082
05/29/04, 11:32 PM
That's still not a pre-emptive war...

It's a pre-emptive strike no matter what word game you want to play, and is definetly an act of war. We used more cruise missiles in Desert Fox than we did in the 1st Gulf War.

open mind
05/29/04, 11:38 PM
clinton didn't go in and occupy iraq and try to set up a hand picked government in the name of iraqi freedom.

cal1082
05/29/04, 11:41 PM
clinton didn't go in and occupy iraq and try to set up a hand picked government in the name of iraqi freedom.

No one said he did. His reasons for the strike were the same as Bush's though, and that is what worldstheory was getting at in his post.

open mind
05/29/04, 11:46 PM
but that doesn't mean the foriegn policies of bush and clinton were/are the same.

cal1082
05/29/04, 11:50 PM
but that doesn't mean the foriegn policies of bush and clinton were/are the same.

I know. Worldstheory was just arguing:

"Anyone who accuses President Bush of waging a "personal war" needs to accuse the Clinton Administration of the same thing."

because they both attacked on the same ideas, and now Bush is considered by many (including Gore) as lying about WMD's.

open mind
05/29/04, 11:52 PM
well for example, when you go out and say iraq is trying to buy uranium from africa even when your intelligence is saying otherwise people get to thinking something shady is going on.

cal1082
05/29/04, 11:55 PM
well for example, when you go out and say iraq is trying to buy uranium from africa even when your intelligence is saying otherwise people get to thinking something shady is going on.

That is what British intelligence said, and as far as I know the British still stand by this claim.

The fact still remains both had the same reasons for attack, but Bush was the only one accused of lying (by gore and others), when Gore did the same thing with the Clinton administration.

open mind
05/30/04, 12:00 AM
our own intelligence said it was bullshit and when that was made public a senior officilal in the bush administration released the name of an undercover cia agent (who just happened to be the wife of the guy who publicized it) to the press (i'll check if the british still stand by the claim though)
gore wasn't attacking bush for going into iraq, he was attacking bush on what happened afterwards.

cal1082
05/30/04, 12:11 AM
our own intelligence said it was bullshit and when that was made public a senior officilal in the bush administration released the name of an undercover cia agent (who just happened to be the wife of the guy who publicized it) to the press (i'll check if the british still stand by the claim though)
gore wasn't attacking bush for going into iraq, he was attacking bush on what happened afterwards.

I know he called him a liar. I just assume I guess when he calls him a liar he's refering to the war. I dont know what else he would be referring to.

Also they are investigating who leaked the name.

open mind
05/30/04, 12:17 AM
gore doesn't call bush a liar in the article at the begining of this thread, that's what i'm talking about, i wouldn't mind seeing instances of gore calling bush a liar on his wmd assertions if you can find them though. (i'm sure theres some out there).
it's being investigated and the reporters who it was leaked to are refusing to cooperate.

cal1082
05/30/04, 12:24 AM
gore doesn't call bush a liar in the article at the begining of this thread, that's what i'm talking about, i wouldn't mind seeing instances of gore calling bush a liar on his wmd assertions if you can find them though. (i'm sure theres some out there).
it's being investigated and the reporters who it was leaked to are refusing to cooperate.

Yeah, in the speech he made that the article is talking about Gore said Bush was the most dishonest president since Nixon. (magically jumped over the only president that has been found by a judge to have lied under oath, but that's another subject).

open mind
05/30/04, 12:24 AM
he doesn't say he lied about wmds though.

cal1082
05/30/04, 12:29 AM
he doesn't say he lied about wmds though.

Yeah, like I said. I assume he was talking about intelligence and wmd's because I dont know what else he would be referring to in regards to lying.

open mind
05/30/04, 12:31 AM
could be taxes, buisness ties, interrogation methods, the "democracy" we're setting up in iraq, the enviorment, education, or just a general observation.

Justin_stacy
05/30/04, 01:01 AM
not that the clinton administration was perfect or anything, but i don't remember them going forward with pre-emptive wars.

But don't you thank that before he starts criticizing the current administration, on "current" events, that he should admit that the inability of his administration to protect Americans and respond to three terrorist attacks on American soil lead to the current, world, situation?

open mind
05/30/04, 01:07 AM
iraq wasn't really that big of a security threat, and you could say bush didn't do anything in his first year in office to stop terrorist threats (and maybe was doing a worse job on it), so this argument can go round and round.

Justin_stacy
05/30/04, 01:40 AM
iraq wasn't really that big of a security threat, and you could say bush didn't do anything in his first year in office to stop terrorist threats (and maybe was doing a worse job on it), so this argument can go round and round.

The first part is disputable, and has been done enough here....as for the second part, it isn't the "same" because unlike the clinton/gore team the Bush team did, directly, respond to terrorist attack...so again i say that gore should be a little bit more "factual" with is rants....

open mind
05/30/04, 10:48 AM
the clinton administration did some bombing runs as a response to the uss cole bombing but they were famously unsuccessful due to bad intelligence.