Brand New Recording New Album

[zubinmoosa]

From Alternative Press

BRAND NEW IN THE STUDIO
Posted by Brian Shultz on 19-Jul-08 @ 04:17 PM

Brand New are in the studio recording new songs, according to video documentation of one of the recent tour stops for frontman Jesse Lacey's current solo tour.

An anonymous source recently indicated to Alternative Press exclusively that the band is once again recording with producer Mike Sapone (Taking Back Sunday, Public Enemy, Crime In Stereo), who also handled 2006's hailed The Devil And God Are Raging Inside Me.

No word from Lacey or the band on a release format or tentative date, though it's assumed the songs will still be released through Interscope.

[wewascontenders]

cool

[Carlo Marx]

yawn.

[versus_god]

piss

[Until The Bombs]

Oh come on. People ride BN's dick far too hard, but news of a new album is good news.

[eman83]

I thought we knew this already. They have been in the studio awhile now.

[micahistheballs]

Hoping it comes out fairly soon.

[stupidtyonparad]

yeah this news is about 2 or 3 good months late. who cares? we've been talking about it for a while

[hockeyguitar99]

Thats awesome.

it makes me laugh that there are probably more people that make fun of the fact that everyone loves brand new than people that actually love brand new on this site

[Kid B]

I never heard this :shrug:

[xBITCHxPLEASEx]

Best news I've heard all day.

[Until The Bombs]

Thats awesome.

it makes me laugh that there are probably more people that make fun of the fact that everyone loves brand new than people that actually love brand new on this site

Studies have shown that 75% of people who make fun of Brand New actually listen to Brand New.

[hockeyguitar99]

Studies have shown that 75% of people who make fun of Brand New actually listen to Brand New.

Haha, it's probably true.

[AP_Punk]

I like brand new. And I like picking on the people who love Brand New too too much.

[hockeyguitar99]

I like brand new. And I like picking on the people who love Brand New too too much.

thank you for your honesty. too many people wouldn't be willing to admit that.

[pilot_light_out]

good to know

[AP_Punk]

thank you for your honesty. too many people wouldn't be willing to admit that.

high five!

[ThisIsNotDan]

brand nu
brand n00b

anyways, the fact they're recording is good (brand)news

[gonfreaks]

I loved The Devil and God, but wasn't a big fan of either of their other efforts. Still, looking forward to whatever they put out.

[Anthony Lutz]

brand nu
brand n00b

anyways, the fact they're recording is good (brand)news

I'm just glad they're recording a brand new album!!!

lawlz!

[stupidtyonparad]

can somebody lock this thread? theres no need for it. its not new news whatsoever, he announced back on 4/20 w/ reel big fish

[JimmyIymmiJ]

Neat.

[Until The Bombs]

can somebody lock this thread? theres no need for it. its not new news whatsoever, he announced back on 4/20 w/ reel big fish

Great because we were all there.

[kearn1tm]

And then music can just fucking end after it's release because Jesus Lacey will bestow upon us the greatest album of all time that can never be topped because Jesse Lacey is brilliant!

[chipdip18]

Official Thread couldn't handle this post. Not at all.

[Ouch]

Sounds nice, if it were only in the Brand New thread.

[kearn1tm]

Great because we were all there.

It's the weirdest thing, I can't remember anything from that day.

[stupidtyonparad]

the point is. if your a brand new fan, im sure youve been in one of the 20 threads that we've discussed the new album in. thats why theres no point in having this thread, the guy with the adam west icon is right

[wewascontenders]

I'm a Brand New fan and this is the first I'm hearing of it.

[JimmyIymmiJ]

can somebody lock this thread? theres no need for it. its not new news whatsoever, he announced back on 4/20 w/ reel big fish

Wait wait wait. I'm more concerned with him announcing this with RBF. Brand New & Reel Big Fish played a show together? What universe did this take place in?

[theguy77]

Studies have shown that 75% of people who make fun of Brand New actually listen to Brand New.

yeah but its not so hypocritical they're just condescending to people who are crazy about a band they like but dont consider to be epic.

[theguy77]

And then music can just fucking end after it's release because Jesus Lacey will bestow upon us the greatest album of all time that can never be topped because Jesse Lacey is brilliant!

you have a very warped perspective of how AP-scene based music fans view music as a whole. though im expanding a large majority of my music is still "tatecore" (for lack of a more fitting moniker) stuff, and others like me who arent this ignorant take offense to your satire. criticize the band if you will, it's often hilarious when people do so, but dont be condescending to the fans.

[Until The Bombs]

It's the weirdest thing, I can't remember anything from that day.

Don't you remember? We shared a funnel cake.

yeah but its not so hypocritical they're just condescending to people who are crazy about a band they like but dont consider to be epic.

That's not how they play it though.

[ThisIsNotDan]

I'm just glad they're recording a brand new album!!!

lawlz!

LOLZZZZ :highfive:

I loved The Devil and God, but wasn't a big fan of either of their other efforts. Still, looking forward to whatever they put out.

I love their last two. I guess I'm in the minority that thinks YFW sucks

[stupidtyonparad]

Wait wait wait. I'm more concerned with him announcing this with RBF. Brand New & Reel Big Fish played a show together? What universe did this take place in?

suny geneseo 4/20/08. i got to go back stage. sick stuff. if you go way back in the set list forum i wrote a review about it

[JimmyIymmiJ]

suny geneseo 4/20/08. i got to go back stage. sick stuff. if you go way back in the set list forum i wrote a review about it

Cool. That just seems like a strange combination, but I love both of them and I'm sure it was awesome.

[kearn1tm]

you have a very warped perspective of how AP-scene based music fans view music as a whole. though im expanding a large majority of my music is still "tatecore" (for lack of a more fitting moniker) stuff, and others like me who arent this ignorant take offense to your satire. criticize the band if you will, it's often hilarious when people do so, but dont be condescending to the fans.

Dude, Iwasacamera, Topegi, Summer Skin, the one guy (everyone calls him "Ben" but I can't remember his screen name) and how many others do the exact thing I'm doing right now, yet are considering, what, elder statesmen? And honestly, if you can't see the absurdity and laugh, even mock it at times of the absolutely hilarious devotion many on AP have to this marginalized "scenester" sound, then you're taking things, and frankly yourself, far too seriously.

[kearn1tm]

yeah but its not so hypocritical they're just condescending to people who are crazy about a band they like but dont consider to be epic.

There's nothing hypocritical about enjoying Brand New's music, but making fun at those who actually think they're innovative and/or brilliant.

[theguy77]

Dude, Iwasacamera, Topegi, Summer Skin, the one guy (everyone calls him "Ben" but I can't remember his screen name) and how many others do the exact thing I'm doing right now, yet are considered, what, elder statesmen? And honestly, if you can't see the absurdity and laugh, even mock it at times of the absolutely hilarious devotion many on AP have to this marginalized "scenester" sound, then you're taking things, and frankly yourself, far too seriously.

haha i dont put them on any kind of pedestal just because they are articulate and dont listen to scene music and i get slightly irritated when they make comments like yours as well. i let it pass most of the time because i really dont take it so seriously but when i see the same kinds of comments coming from the same person several times in a row i call them out on it, because it proves the elitist attitude stereotype which a common ap.net intellectual must spend far too much time disproving.

it can be funny at times though, i definitely condone it if its aimed at a specific ignoramus and i did chuckle at your "jesus lacey" pun.

[theguy77]

There's nothing hypocritical about enjoying Brand New's music, but making fun at those who actually think they're innovative and/or brilliant.

yeah thats what i said "its not so hypocritical" haha

[KidRobot]

Sweet.

[kearn1tm]

haha i dont put them on any kind of pedestal just because they are articulate and dont listen to scene music and i get slightly irritated when they make comments like yours as well. i let it pass most of the time because i really dont take it so seriously but when i see the same kinds of comments coming from the same person several times in a row i call them out on it, because it proves the elitist attitude stereotype which a common ap.net intellectual must spend far too much time disproving.

it can be funny at times though, i definitely condone it if its aimed at a specific ignoramus and i did chuckle at your "jesus lacey" pun.

Absolute Punk.net: Where "disliking contrived scene music and sarcastic comments" equates to elitism.

Also, they're all quite consistent about vocalizing their disdain for most of this brand of music.

Look, I love a lot of scene music. I love every one of those "luminary pop punk albums" of the past eight years. However, I'm aware that they aren't really transcendent or meaningful music.

yeah thats what i said "its not so hypocritical" haha

I misread. I apologize.

[Chromefox]

It shits me when users here get all anal and condescending about being better at listening to music than the rest of us.

[theguy77]

Absolute Punk.net: Where "disliking contrived scene music and sarcastic comments" equates to elitism.

thats not how i defined it. disliking scene music is not elitism but a superiority complex against those that do IS elitism. and sarcasm is a tool used to show your disdain for their opinions, the extent of which has been fabricated and exaggerated out of condescension (god i use that word way too much. is there another word for that?)

Also, they're all quite consistent about vocalizing their disdain for most of this brand of music.

again thats fine, im actually amused by their opinions and the way they express them, im just saying the least they and you could do is respect the opinions of others so long as it's not held in any regard higher than a level of subjectivity.

Look, I love a lot of scene music. I love every one of those "luminary pop punk albums" of the past eight years. However, I'm aware that they aren't really transcendent or meaningful music.

i am probably the most obvious brand new fan on this site and still i realize they and plenty of other tatecore acts dont have an arm of influence which can reach outside of their respective scene. so you should think about people like me before going overboard with your mockery.

[theguy77]

on a side note its hilarious that i get more offended when people make stereotypes about the ignorance of the common brand new fan than i do by racist jokes. haha.

[kearn1tm]

thats not how i defined it. disliking scene music is not elitism but a superiority complex against those that do IS elitism. and sarcasm is a tool used to show your disdain for their opinions, the extent of which has been fabricated and exaggerated out of condescension (god i use that word way too much. is there another word for that?)

Scene fans who swear by this brand of music do not have a sense of music beyond their compartmentalized view of the medium. That isn't elitism. That's fact. You're confused.

again thats fine, im actually amused by their opinions and the way they express them, im just saying the least they and you could do is respect the opinions of others so long as it's not held in any regard higher than a level of subjectivity.

Respect absurdity.

[UntilItKillsYou]

im exited. i dont care what people think. i love this band

[theguy77]

Scene fans who swear by this brand of music do not have a sense of music beyond their compartmentalized view of the medium. That isn't elitism. That's fact. You're confused.

how can you know this? it is possible for someone to genuinely not enjoy the beatles, it's not as ubiquitious a preference as it would have been back in the 60s when they were still paving new road in popular (and unpopular) music. you'd have to be a real asswipe to deny their influence but you're not "supposed" to think they're the best thing since sliced bread. enjoying music mostly for a trait such as energy and abrasion, for example, is not necessarily something that can always simply be written off as immaturity.

[mattybobviously]

Excited about this release, if they continue their career progression, this album could be huge.

[kearn1tm]

how can you know this? it is possible for someone to genuinely not enjoy the beatles,

If you think Brand New is brilliant, then yes, you don't have a sense of music outside the scene. How can you conceivably call Brand New better than bands such as Pavement, Radiohead, Archers of Loaf, the Pixies, The Smiths and Neutral Milk Hotel, the bands that essentially molded Lacey and co's sound, of which they aped for their last two albums. There isn't much brilliance to a band that, for all intents and purposes, melds together the respective sounds of their influences. Oh, and enjoying music for "excitement and energy" if great. As I stated earlier, I love a lot of shitty pop punk. However, claiming it's subversive and brilliant music in hyperbolic fashion is going to get mocked. Accept it. If you can't, ignore it.

Oh, and yes, it's very possible to not enjoy the Beatles. How does that stop you from acknowledging their contributions to music? Stop confusing subjectivity with objectivity.

[chaosB4storm]

how can you know this? it is possible for someone to genuinely not enjoy the beatles, it's not as ubiquitious a preference as it would have been back in the 60s when they were still paving new road in popular (and unpopular) music. you'd have to be a real asswipe to deny their influence but you're not "supposed" to think they're the best thing since sliced bread. enjoying music mostly for a trait such as energy and abrasion, for example, is not necessarily something that can always simply be written off as immaturity.

well put.

[theguy77]

If you think Brand New is brilliant, then yes, you don't have a sense of music outside the scene. How can you conceivably call Brand New better than bands such as Sonic Youth, Pavement, Archers of Loaf, the Pixies, The Smiths and Neutral Milk Hotel, the bands that essentially molded Lacey and co's sound, of which they aped for their last two albums.

if you think brand new is TECHNICALLY brilliant then yeah you gotta get out more musically. but there are more levels to brilliance than just what is eloquently or ingenuitively written. sometimes it's just the way the band hits you on the inside, how much they pull at your emotions and make you immerse yourself into the mood of the music. brand new are brilliant in that way for me, if i didnt believe so they wouldnt be my favorite band.

i think they had plenty enough originality in the production and feel of their past two albums not to have "aped" from their declarative influences.

Oh, and yes, it's very possible to not enjoy the Beatles. How does that stop you from acknowledging their contributions to music? Stop confusing subjectivity with objectivity.

like i said you're an asswipe if you dont acknowledge their influence. but you dont have to like them in order for your opinions and appreciation for music to be valid and genuine.

[Genuma]

high five!
Bad Kirbie.

[Chromefox]

If you think Brand New is brilliant, then yes, you don't have a sense of music outside the scene. How can you conceivably call Brand New better than bands such as Pavement, Radiohead, Archers of Loaf, the Pixies, The Smiths and Neutral Milk Hotel, the bands that essentially molded Lacey and co's sound, of which they aped for their last two albums. There isn't much brilliance to a band that, for all intents and purposes, melds together the respective sounds of their influences. What is this shit? It's not possible to like a band and still acknowledge that they aren't the most innovative or technically advanced musicians to grace the earth? Brand New are my favourite band, but that doesn't mean I have no ability to appreciate or understand the value of any other music.

[Genuma]

If you think Brand New is brilliant, then yes, you don't have a sense of music outside the scene. How can you conceivably call Brand New better than bands such as Pavement, Radiohead, Archers of Loaf, the Pixies, The Smiths and Neutral Milk Hotel, the bands that essentially molded Lacey and co's sound, of which they aped for their last two albums. There isn't much brilliance to a band that, for all intents and purposes, melds together the respective sounds of their influences. Oh, and enjoying music for "excitement and energy" if great. As I stated earlier, I love a lot of shitty pop punk. However, claiming it's subversive and brilliant music in hyperbolic fashion is going to get mocked. Accept it. If you can't, ignore it.

Oh, and yes, it's very possible to not enjoy the Beatles. How does that stop you from acknowledging their contributions to music? Stop confusing subjectivity with objectivity.
That's a big namedrop you got there.

[Yes. And?]

And then music can just fucking end after it's release because Jesus Lacey will bestow upon us the greatest album of all time that can never be topped because Jesse Lacey is brilliant!
lol Jesus Lacey.

[theguy77]

rereading for what you've edited in, like i said brilliance has more than one definition. there are many things to be respected in almost all kinds of music, just becuase its not creative doesnt make it shitty. ive already made this same argument to ben, vinh, togepi all those people you listed and its why they dont bother me about it anymore.

[Genuma]

And then music can just fucking end after it's release because Jesus Lacey will bestow upon us the greatest album of all time that can never be topped because Jesse Lacey is brilliant!
How did you know I was thinking that?

[kearn1tm]

if you think brand new is TECHNICALLY brilliant then yeah you gotta get out more musically. but there are more levels to brilliance than just what is eloquently or ingenuitively written. sometimes it's just the way the band hits you on the inside, how much they pull at your emotions and make you immerse yourself into the mood of the music. brand new are brilliant in that way for me, if i didnt believe so they wouldnt be my favorite band.

So, you're saying that they're "brilliant at creating atmosphere?" At setting a particular ambiance? You know they ways in which they do that, they adopted from other bands.

i think they had plenty enough originality in the production and feel of their past two albums not to have "aped" from their declarative influences.

This is why I say scene fans heralding these bands as ingenious forces in music aren't really aware of some of the luminary works in particular genres outside their marginalized tastes.



like i said you're an asswipe if you dont acknowledge their influence. but you dont have to like them in order for your opinions and appreciation for music to be valid and genuine.

I agree. In fact, you've created this argument on your own. Subjectively, I'm not a huge fan of the Psychedelic Pop movement in the '60s, defined by bands such as Love, The Zombies, the Beatles - circa Magic Mystery Tour and The Neon Philharmonic, I do appreciate and acknowledge the genre and bands and what it contributed to the musical canon, just as I love some of asinine scene music, yet acknowledge it's rather poor.

What is this shit? It's not possible to like a band and still acknowledge that they aren't the most innovative or technically advanced musicians to grace the earth? Brand New are my favourite band, but that doesn't mean I have no ability to appreciate or understand the value of any other music.

See my last statement. Yes, it's very possible to acknowledge the contributions of the luminaries of rock history, yet still enjoy Brand New. Again, this isn't being contested here.

[kearn1tm]

rereading for what you've edited in, like i said brilliance has more than one definition. there are many things to be respected in almost all kinds of music, just becuase its not creative doesnt make it shitty. ive already made this same argument to ben, vinh, togepi all those people you listed and its why they dont bother me about it anymore.

Who said Brand New was shitty because they're not original? Who said Brand New was shitty in general? Brand New is an adequate scene band that does a serviceable job of mimicking their influences. Brand New is a band that's continually blown by a fanbase that has this affectation of them being musical innovators, but they're still decent, despite their lack of identity.

[AP_Punk]

Bad Kirbie.

hehe

[theguy77]

So, you're saying that they're "brilliant at creating atmosphere?" At setting a particular ambiance? You know they ways in which they do that, they adopted from other bands.

not necessarily but thats not what im saying in the first place. you're looking at things on too technical a logical plane. brand new are not brilliant because of anything they do technically; while TDAG is on the experimental side for a band with a discographical history like theirs, it's still in essence a relatively simple product which breaks little new ground. but the appeal, the emotion, the power -- brand new are brilliant in the raw characteristics which connect the listener to the dynamic and purpose of each piece. this has nothing to do with the logical and technical level of how they wrote the song. it has to do with how brand new's specific character is mixed in, how they deliver it, the intangibilities between the defined lines. also, just because its been done before doesnt mean it cant be done better, or done in a way that can appeal to a separate audience entirely.

This is why I say scene fans heralding these bands as ingenious forces in music aren't really aware of some of the luminary works in particular genres outside their marginalized tastes.

this is no assumption you can make for sure, as without an involvement or witness inside the progression of brand new's writing process, any specific connection between the music and their claimed influence is ultimately subjective. take for example thrice's alchemy index. ben said fire was ripped off of isis, earth was ripped off tom waits, and water was ripped off radiohead's kid A album. ive actually heard all three and hardly hear any similarity, even in some of the most basic defining components i see differences let alone in the key trademarks that would warrant an accusation of plagiarism. he also said fork & knife was just stolen and rearranged from a certain radiohead song, and posted a video to prove it. i never agree with his comparisons i dont even know where he gets them from.

[Chris Fallon]

This band starts riots. I mean... I like them, but what the hell?

[Chromefox]

This band starts riots. I mean... I like them, but what the hell? Lockthreadplz?

[theguy77]

Who said Brand New was shitty because they're not original? Who said Brand New was shitty in general? Brand New is an adequate scene band that does a serviceable job of mimicking their influences. Brand New is a band that's continually blown by a fanbase that has this affectation of them being musical innovators, but they're still decent, despite their lack of identity.

you sound just like ben. that really is not all there is to it. i might need to direct you to the long paragraphs i typed to him in thrice's alchemy index thread.

[AP_Punk]

This band starts riots. I mean... I like them, but what the hell?

hahahaha. so true.

[theguy77]

This band starts riots. I mean... I like them, but what the hell?

well as much as they're loved on here by nearly everyone who has and hasnt been exposed to plethoras of music they're the perfect spark for those who havent to be attacked. thing is its always so one sided, when you see me in a discussion its usually because im adding a new perspective, one that favors those who listens to "inferior" music becuase i am one of those people.

[Chris Fallon]

well as much as they're loved on here by nearly everyone who has and hasnt been exposed to plethoras of music they're the perfect spark for those who havent to be attacked. thing is its always so one sided, when you see me in a discussion its usually because im adding a new perspective, one that favors those who listens to "inferior" music becuase i am one of those people.
No, I understand - the band sparks something inside so many people to immediately hate them due to the fact the site has been pimping them for so long. It's all silly ... the band gets unwarranted hatred, mostly because they have a plethora of idiotic fans who bring their material down. And we all know who those people are.

[theguy77]

No, I understand - the band sparks something inside so many people to immediately hate them due to the fact the site has been pimping them for so long. It's all silly ... the band gets unwarranted hatred, mostly because they have a plethora of idiotic fans who bring their material down. And we all know who those people are.

yeah but this discussion started with someone making a sarcastic comment about brand new fans in general, becuase of those idiotic fans, and me coming in and saying "we're not all like that" basically.

[AP_Punk]

those crazy oreos.

[Genuma]

No, I understand - the band sparks something inside so many people to immediately hate them due to the fact the site has been pimping them for so long. It's all silly ... the band gets unwarranted hatred, mostly because they have a plethora of idiotic fans who bring their material down. And we all know who those people are.
That idiot "theguy77".

[theguy77]

those crazy oreos.

you know you love us. the way you suck on our chocolate until the cream gets squeezed out.

hahahaha

[theguy77]

That idiot "theguy77".

this does not make me horny.

[AP_Punk]

you know you love us. the way you suck on our chocolate until the cream gets squeezed out.

hahahaha

that's why i keep cumming back.

[Genuma]

this does not make me horny.
Then maybe it makes you RANDY?

[theguy77]

Then maybe it makes you RANDY?

hahahahaha

good call. it is what makes me, me.

[versus_god]

Yeah, baby, yeah.

[shit stroll]

awesome.

[Genuma]

Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Bert Backarack!

[kearn1tm]

yeah but this discussion started with someone making a sarcastic comment about brand new fans in general, becuase of those idiotic fans, and me coming in and saying "we're not all like that" basically.

I'm not going to read the last post you made in response to mine because, quite frankly, it's a bit long, and at 3 in the morning, I don't feel like reading all of that and, you start it off by saying "you're looking at this too technically," which makes me chuckle.

However, you've completely misconstrued my initial post. "Someone making a sarcastic comment about Brand New fans in general." You're highly insecure. It's clearly evident in how much you defend them and scenester music against the likes of we in the "elitist brigade." I never, ever made the claim that all Brand New fans were musically ignorant or heralded them as challenging, subversive and brilliant. I was mocking those that do, however.

[Chromefox]

I never, ever made the claim that all Brand New fans were musically ignorant Please then, clarify what you meant by this:

If you think Brand New is brilliant, then yes, you don't have a sense of music outside the scene.

[kearn1tm]

yeah but this discussion started with someone making a sarcastic comment about brand new fans in general, becuase of those idiotic fans, and me coming in and saying "we're not all like that" basically.

's still in essence a relatively simple product which breaks little new ground. but the appeal, the emotion, the power -- brand new are brilliant in the raw characteristics which connect the listener to the dynamic and purpose of each piece.

This could be said of any band. Any Pop Punk band, who write simplified, fast, loud, hook-heavy tracks with easily digestible lyrics about youth and juvenile hatred towards ex's are also "brilliant" in the raw characters (those listed above) that connect with the targeted listener (one who's ideologies sync with the themes and feel of Pop Punk) to the dynamc and purpose of each piece. See? That sentence and logic can be fitted to virtually any music. Nu-Metal bands have a very specific sound/theme and were "brilliant" at conveying that sound/theme in a way that connected to the listener that wanted it. This is rhetoric.

it has to do with how brand new's specific character is mixed in, how they deliver it, the intangibilities between the defined lines. also, just because its been done before doesnt mean it cant be done better, or done in a way that can appeal to a separate audience entirely.

Brand New doesn't "mix specific character in" that gives it an identity or indistinguishable quality over their peers. Oh, and no, Brand New's take on their influences does not surpass their influences.


this is no assumption you can make for sure, as without an involvement or witness inside the progression of brand new's writing process, any specific connection between the music and their claimed influence is ultimately subjective.

When you hear Lacey tell people at shows how much Pavement and Neutral affected his work, and when you can easily reverse engineer the things you hear in TDAG to sonic ticks from Radiohead, Pavement and Mangum, you can say it's subjective, but logically, it's not a leap at all to say Lacey aped them. I don't know why you're so hesitant to admit they've essentially made a synthesis of their influences sounds.

[kearn1tm]

Please then, clarify what you meant by this:

I already did. I never said ALL (so you actually pay attention to the word "all" this time) Brand New fans were musically ignorant. I'm a Brand New fan myself. However, those who are so in love with this band that they cannot see past them to their influences, that they proclaim this band to be such a meaningful, masterful, subversive band are far too blinded by their small, marginalized scenester music island.

What aren't you getting here?

[theguy77]

I'm not going to read the last post you made in response to mine because, quite frankly, it's a bit long, and at 3 in the morning, I don't feel like reading all of that and, you start it off by saying "you're looking at this too technically," which makes me chuckle.

However, you've completely misconstrued my initial post. "Someone making a sarcastic comment about Brand New fans in general." You're highly insecure. It's clearly evident in how much you defend them and scenester music against the likes of we in the "elitist brigade." I never, ever made the claim that all Brand New fans were musically ignorant or heralded them as challenging, subversive and brilliant. I was mocking those that do, however.

dont mistake me for someone who adopts a bro mentality. there is no elitist brigade, i take this on a case by case basis, i hate using that word "elitist" actually because its used falsely so often on this site to describe someone with a different opinion basically. its just when someone makes a comment that possesses an air of superiority, i dont like it and i speak out against it. besides almost every articulate person on this forum deems ap.net scene music to be inherently shitty and without value beyond mere pop sensibility. that in itself is no crime but some of you take it a step further to make assumptions and comments about the musical competence of its listeners, and thats where it bothers me. i like a lot of those bands, however, and see far more value than that in them, so i take pride in my own literacy and defend my perspective in a mediated, intellectual way, instead of concessing and saying "yeah my music isnt good" like everybody else does. but there's nothing elite about preferring radiohead to brand new and i never said there was, ive enjoyed my share of "elitist" bands myself. some people value ingenuity over all else and that can be respected and understood. im just saying thats not the only reason people should ever like music and claim it to be brilliant.

[kearn1tm]

but some of you take it a step further to make assumptions and comments about the musical competence of its listeners, and thats where it bothers me. i like a lot of those bands, however, and see far more value than that in them

We're not making "assumptions," we're predicating our responses based on what fans of most of this scene music say/think. Regardless, it was you that made the assumption that I was referring to all Brand New fans when, in fact, I wasn't and clearly stated as much.

[theguy77]

We're not making "assumptions," we're predicating our responses based on what fans of most of this scene music say/think. Regardless, it was you that made the assumption that I was referring to all Brand New fans when, in fact, I wasn't and clearly stated as much.

right so most scene fans think jesse is jesus and that on a technical level brand new is unbeatable?

sounds like an assumption to me. quite exaggerated at that.

there is a group that does but the more intelligent groups that dont take offense to your satire

[kearn1tm]

right so most scene fans think jesse is jesus and that on a technical level brand new is unbeatable?

How many of comments on this site have we heard in this vain?

I've only been here a year and a half and I've read many so, I've formulated my sarcasm based on what I've personally read/seen.

sounds like an assumption to me. quite exaggerated at that.

there is a group that does but the more intelligent groups that dont take offense to your satire

Then that, right these, is a prime example of insecurity: "we take ourselves and the things we love so serious that we cannot laugh and accept sarcasm/criticism."

[theguy77]

This could be said of any band. Any Pop Punk band, who write simplified, fast, loud, hook-heavy tracks with easily digestible lyrics about youth and juvenile hatred towards ex's are also "brilliant" in the raw characters (those listed above) that connect with the targeted listener (one who's ideologies sync with the themes and feel of Pop Punk) to the dynamc and purpose of each piece. See? That sentence and logic can be fitted to virtually any music. Nu-Metal bands have a very specific sound/theme and were "brilliant" at conveying that sound/theme in a way that connected to the listener that wanted it. This is rhetoric.

now you get it. congratulations. so now apply what you've learned. call the bands shitty if its your prerogative, but dont assume that anyone who finds actual value and individuality in the band's music doesnt know what they're talking about. respect that they may have a different perspective when they call the band brilliant, that they might mean "brilliant" in a different way than "ingenious".

give me a bit to assess the rest of this post. ive made the same argument before but im trying to find a simpler way to say it as opposed to the long paragraphs i had with ben last time.

[theguy77]

How many of comments on this site have we heard in this vain?

I've only been here a year and a half and I've read many so, I've formulated my sarcasm based on what I've personally read/seen.


Then that, right these, is a prime example of insecurity: "we take ourselves and the things we love so serious that we cannot laugh and accept sarcasm/criticism."[/quote]

i dont see how you dont realize what an asshole you make of yourself with a statement like that. when you make an open satire it so easily gets interpreted as "brand new fans are stupid and dont see the value in other music", especially since it is meant that way so often.

like i saw this thing about when a man goes hungry, it had a statement that said "the religious man will die praying for a fish" just to make an attack on what's perceived to be foolish in religion, and it's so offbase, just because you believe in God doesnt mean you're such an idiot you wouldnt go fishing for yourself, that you're completely reliant on something that might not exist and dont do anything for yourself. you know people take offense to these things.

[MyWorldEntire]

holy shit

[kearn1tm]

now you get it. congratulations. so now apply what you've learned. call the bands shitty if its your prerogative, but dont assume that anyone who finds actual value and individuality in the band's music doesnt know what they're talking about. respect that they may have a different perspective when they call the band brilliant, that they might mean "brilliant" in a different way than "ingenious".

The irony is delicious. You chastise me for being condescending to the Brand New fans who don't have thick enough skins and of whom are so insecure that anyone making a snarky comment toward their sacred cow and certain fans that dig them is now telling me that "now you get it." Thanks kid, for being the one to "teach me." Please.

"Brilliant" can be relative, but Brand New is not "brilliant at creating atmosphere" or however else you want to try and claim. They're good with channeling the sound/ambiance of other bands that have inspired them. "But that's a subjective observation." Sure, I've subjectively come to that conclusion because they sound so much like the bands they've cited as inspiration. "They add their own 'personality' in it." Yes, Lacey writes his own lyrics that reflect his own ideological perspectives...a songwriting formula drastically different than the first album...that's filled with self-importance and attempts at metaphor, allusion, simile and other literary tools to hint at prevailing subtexts in the lines...like the bands they're inspired by.

give me a bit to assess the rest of this post. ive made the same argument before but im trying to find a simpler way to say it as opposed to the long paragraphs i had with ben last time.

Why? So we can continue to chase each other's tails here? We're not going to reach a consensus. I think you're going to spout off some more rhetoric in an attempt to prove Brand New has some semblance of "uniqueness" and that they're "brilliant" at creating atmosphere (more rhetoric). I'm going to disagree with you. We're going to continue fighting about it. Some other Brand New fans are going to be predictable as ever and call me an elitist. I'm going to drink a Diet Sunkist. The sun will invariably come up. Coke products ruin lives.

[kearn1tm]

Then that, right these, is a prime example of insecurity: "we take ourselves and the things we love so serious that we cannot laugh and accept sarcasm/criticism."

i dont see how you dont realize what an asshole you make of yourself with a statement like that. when you make an open satire it so easily gets interpreted as "brand new fans are stupid and dont see the value in other music", especially since it is meant that way so often.

like i saw this thing about when a man goes hungry, it had a statement that said "the religious man will die praying for a fish" just to make an attack on what's perceived to be foolish in religion, and it's so offbase, just because you believe in God doesnt mean you're such an idiot you wouldnt go fishing for yourself, that you're completely reliant on something that might not exist and dont do anything for yourself. you know people take offense to these things.[/quote]

*sigh*

Do you know why shows that use satire and parody exist? They take generalizations based on the vocal, ignorant masses and throw out snark for sake of humor (whether it's funny to anyone other than themselves is an entirely different manner). I took generalizations based on a gluttony of Brand New fans on this very site and make a sarcastic comment. You got pissy because you're clearly insecure about how this band is perceived and being "lumped in with the others" because, as you've made sure to tell me so many times, you're an intellectual fan of Brand New, who see's what we Elitist "assholes" don't.

One last time: This wasn't a commentary on all Brand New fans. Nor would the guy initially making that religious crack say all those with faith would allow themselves to starve waiting for God to grant them fish. However, a wisecrack was made based on those who are ignorant. Whether all BN (or in the allegory, those of faith) fans take offense to this and believe it's targeting them is another story altogether, but who the fuck cares? Honestly, why do you care so much that we make cracks at Brand New? Could it be...wait for it...insecurity?

Now I wish I hand't asked that, because you'll respond at how obviously wrong I am and how you aren't insecure and defense as you defend why you aren't and I'll have to read another long diatribe. Just call me a dick and be done with it.

[theguy77]

The irony is delicious. You chastise me for being condescending to the Brand New fans who don't have thick enough skins and of whom are so insecure that anyone making a snarky comment toward their sacred cow and certain fans that dig them is now telling me that "now you get it." Thanks kid, for being the one to "teach me." Please.

taste of your own medicine bud. im condescending to people with condescending views. i feel that im far more justified in my condescension regardless of my hypocrisy.

"Brilliant" can be relative, but Brand New is not "brilliant at creating atmosphere" or however else you want to try and claim. They're good with channeling the sound/ambiance of other bands that have inspired them. "But that's a subjective observation." Sure, I've subjectively come to that conclusion because they sound so much like the bands they've cited as inspiration. "They add their own 'personality' in it." Yes, Lacey writes his own lyrics that reflect his own ideological perspectives...a songwriting formula drastically different than the first album...that's filled with self-importance and attempts at metaphor, allusion, simile and other literary tools to hint at prevailing subtexts in the lines...like the bands they're inspired by.

Why? So we can continue to chase each other's tails here? We're not going to reach a consensus. I think you're going to spout off some more rhetoric in an attempt to prove Brand New has some semblance of "uniqueness" and that they're "brilliant" at creating atmosphere (more rhetoric). I'm going to disagree with you. We're going to continue fighting about it. Some other Brand New fans are going to be predictable as ever and call me an elitist. I'm going to drink a Diet Sunkist. The sun will invariably come up. Coke products ruin lives.

i was actually just looking for where i discussed this with ben but i cant find it. it's totally not worth it at 3:45 in the morning to reformulate the whole thing. i mean i basically said you write the songs yourself, i mean you never steal riffs directly from elsewhere it all comes intrinsically when you're just messing around on your instrument. the thing is during the writing process, when you're filling out the surface of each song on top of your own backbone, influence from a production trick can come to you subconsciously. but not because "oh i want to sound like this band", just becuase you have heard it elsewhere, it stuck in your mind as something that added a good effect, and then it comes up again when you're writing, but you dont know where you got it from you're just aware that it's a good idea that's been done before and you apply it to your own music where it will fit. but again the base of the songwriting is all entirely yours, you cant just call it plagiarism. there is maybe .001% of all bands who actually come up with all their own production/song filler and dont take influence from ANYWHERE else for that, but again its always subconscious as well, i doubt jesse listened to sonic youth and said "i want to make a song that sounds like that" and then actively wrote to fit a sonic youth mold. i get all this from my own experience in songwriting, im never aware of what my influences were until after i hear the finished product because then i can compare my work to what it sounds like.

[kearn1tm]

taste of your own medicine bud. im condescending to people with condescending views. i feel that im far more justified in my condescension regardless of my hypocrisy.

I know you are, but what am I?





i was actually just looking for where i discussed this with ben but i cant find it. it's totally not worth it at 3:45 in the morning to reformulate the whole thing. i mean i basically said you write the songs yourself, i mean you never steal riffs directly from elsewhere it all comes intrinsically when you're just messing around on your instrument. the thing is during the writing process, when you're filling out the surface of each song on top of your own backbone, influence from a production trick can come to you subconsciously. but not because "oh i want to sound like this band", just becuase you have heard it elsewhere, it stuck in your mind as something that added a good effect, and then it comes up again when you're writing, but you dont know where you got it from you're just aware that it's a good idea that's been done before and you apply it to your own music where it will fit. but again the base of the songwriting is all entirely yours, you cant just call it plagiarism. there is maybe .001% of all bands who actually come up with all their own production/song filler and dont take influence from ANYWHERE else for that, but again its always subconscious as well, i doubt jesse listened to sonic youth and said "i want to make a song that sounds like that" and then actively wrote to fit a sonic youth mold. i get all this from my own experience in songwriting, im never aware of what my influences were until after i hear the finished product because then i can compare my work to what it sounds like.
Rhetoric.

[theguy77]

*sigh*

Do you know why shows that use satire and parody exist? They take generalizations based on the vocal, ignorant masses and throw out snark for sake of humor (whether it's funny to anyone other than themselves is an entirely different manner). I took generalizations based on a gluttony of Brand New fans on this very site and make a sarcastic comment. You got pissy because you're clearly insecure about how this band is perceived and being "lumped in with the others" because, as you've made sure to tell me so many times, you're an intellectual fan of Brand New, who see's what we Elitist "assholes" don't.

first things first i havent gotten pissy the whole time weve discussed this. im quite calm, really just exercising my rhetorical capabilities, trying to improve my vocabulary, and really just enjoying a healthy debate.

you're not the only one having to reiterate points i "dont get". i keep telling you there's nothing elite about seeing no value in brand new. get it out of your head that i think that. im not insecure about how this band is perceived, i couldnt give a damn, if anything im only bothered by the fact people tend to associate brand new fans, especially the ones who enjoy deja entendu, with musical incompetence. apparently that wasnt your intention and you meant to make fun of a specific group, all i know is thats what it looked like to me (and clearly several other people), since you didnt direct it at anyone who made any specific comments, but just said it when someone got excited about the new album. if i were to go into a neutral milk hotel thread and say "jeff mangum's so creative -- who'd have thought of singing OFF key!" i'd draw the same reaction from people bantering me about all the ingenuity of that band and likely attacking the stuff in my music list. (not that i actually believe NMH isn't creative, just an example.)

[theguy77]

Rhetoric.

right be dismissive. quite intelligent debate tactic you've got there.

its not just rhetoric, i validly rebutted your statement about TDAG being a synthetic of brand new's influences at the time and nothing intrinsic.

[kearn1tm]

right be dismissive. quite intelligent debate tactic you've got there.

"People write songs for themselves and all that jive."

Jesse Lacey writes the lyrics he wants to write. In 2001, he wanted to write about a girl he was pissed off at, and coming up on Lifetime and the Long Island and New Jersey scenes, he wrote lyrics in a pop punk fashion.

In 2006, dude's found some Pavement, dude's found some Neutral, dude writes the lyrics he wants to write in a cryptic fashion ala the bands that he's now inspired by, only with more throwaway lines and self-aggrandizing, meaningless metaphors.

Hey, I know, let's argue about this for another year...and go!

[theguy77]

"People write songs for themselves and all that jive."

Jesse Lacey writes the lyrics he wants to write. In 2001, he wanted to write about a girl he was pissed off at, and coming up on Lifetime and the Long Island and New Jersey scenes, he wrote lyrics in a pop punk fashion.

In 2006, dude's found some Pavement, dude's found some Neutral, dude writes the lyrics he wants to write in a cryptic fashion ala the bands that he's now inspired by, only with more throwaway lines and self-aggrandizing, meaningless metaphors.

Hey, I know, let's argue about this for another year...and go!

thats not at all what i said. im not even talking about lyrics.

[kearn1tm]

first things first i havent gotten pissy the whole time weve discussed this. im quite calm, really just exercising my rhetorical capabilities, trying to improve my vocabulary, and really just enjoying a healthy debate.

you're not the only one having to reiterate points i "dont get". i keep telling you there's nothing elite about seeing no value in brand new. get it out of your head that i think that. im not insecure about how this band is perceived, i couldnt give a damn, if anything im only bothered by the fact people tend to associate brand new fans, especially the ones who enjoy deja entendu, with musical incompetence.
And you wouldn't want to be thought of as incompmetent like those other kids, right?

Insecurity is a bitch, no?

apparently that wasnt your intention and you meant to make fun of a specific group, all i know is thats what it looked like to me (and clearly several other people), since you didnt direct it at anyone who made any specific comments, but just said it when someone got excited about the new album.
Why do you care so much who it's aimed at, who's associated with and how many licks it really takes to get to the center of a tootsy pop? Honestly man, insecurity. Just phrase this as you mean it: "hey man, I'm pissed because I think you're calling me a musically ignorant 'tard like Brand New fans that think Lacey is an ingenious lyrical and sonic god." If you distill this down to its essence, you're a kid who doesn't want to be called musically dumb.


if i were to go into a neutral milk hotel thread and say "jeff mangum's so creative -- who'd have thought of singing OFF key!" i'd draw the same reaction from people bantering me about all the ingenuity of that band and likely attacking the stuff in my music list. (not that i actually believe NMH isn't creative, just an example.)
We'd call you stupid and move on...or we'd get pissy for a billion posts and cry that you're calling us stupid.

[kearn1tm]

thats not at all what i said. im not even talking about lyrics.

Cool.

I didn't feel like reading you repeat the same thing with slight alterations again, so I read a few words and quit.

Lacey's music is derivative. Apply more faux-theoretical logic as to what serves as the catalyst to songwriting and composition all you'd like; his shit sounds like the shit he listens to and loves.

[theguy77]

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And you wouldn't want to be thought of as incompmetent like those other kids, right?

Insecurity (and pretentiousness) is a bitch, no?

Why do you care so much who it's aimed at, who's associated with and how many licks it really takes to get to the center of a tootsy pop? Honestly man, insecurity. Just phrase this as you mean it: "hey man, I'm pissed because I think you're calling me a musically ignorant 'tard like Brand New fans that think Lacey is an ingenious lyrical and sonic god." If you distill this down to its essence, you're a kid who doesn't want to be called musically dumb.

i havent denied this. its about half the reason i go ahead and defend all my pop-punk bands because i want to prove that just because you listen to music in a teenage scene doesnt mean you're an idiot. that's exactly it, i can be honest. call it pretentiousness, i guess it is if you want to look at it in such a negative light, i do consider myself to be better than fanboys and fangirls who would say brand new are technically more complex and far more influential than radiohead or the beatles. but thats a very mild, respectable form of pretention and elitism considering those are matters of fact and not subjectivity. i feel it's much worse to consider yourself better than someone else on a matter of preference, which you've explained wasnt your intention with your sarcastic remark. im just telling you it came off that way.

congratulations mr. philosopher you've figured me out. are you satisfied? well i satisfied you by letting you know where you were right. so can you satisfy me by taking this discussion seriously and actually building from my points instead of dismissing them? clearly i put effort into them.

one thing though im not nor have i at all been pissed or even the slightest irate in this discussion.

[chokeychicken]

oh man cool, people hating on brand new. fucking original.

[shit stroll]

i really dislike it when people refer to bands like brand new and say anything as pop punk.

[theguy77]

Cool.

I didn't feel like reading you repeat the same thing with slight alterations again, so I read a few words and quit.

its not slight alterations it was completely different.

Lacey's music is derivative. Apply more faux-theoretical logic as to what serves as the catalyst to songwriting and composition all you'd like; his shit sounds like the shit he listens to and loves.

key words there. but the backbone of the song is specifically brand new's as are a few of the production tricks they didnt pull out of their subconscious memory vaults. therefore TDAG cant just be written off as their influences meshed together, its their influences mixed in and put on top of brand new's own intrinsic writing and originality.

[kearn1tm]

i havent denied this. its about half the reason i go ahead and defend all my pop-punk bands because i want to prove that just because you listen to music in a teenage scene doesnt mean you're an idiot. that's exactly it, i can be honest. call it pretentiousness, i guess it is if you want to look at it in such a negative light, i do consider myself to be better than fanboys and fangirls who would say brand new are technically more complex and far more influential than radiohead or the beatles.

That doesn't make you smart. You have the basic deductive ability to distinguish between Brand New and Radiohead.

but thats a very mild, respectable form of pretention and elitism considering those are matters of fact and not subjectivity.

That's not fact. In fact, there are many "smart" people who listen to what we'd deem terrible music and are so bold as to defend it. They're ignorant on a musical level but their aptitude in other facets of life is high, or they acknowledge the music they actively absorb and enjoy isn't necessarily good (excuse me, "good on a technical level" which is just as subjective a criticism as anything you're pinning on me, but phrased in a way to mask this). You're calling yourself smart based on your views of an entertainment medium and artform.

i feel it's much worse to consider yourself better than someone else on a matter of preference, which you've explained wasnt your intention with your sarcastic remark. im just telling you it came off that way.

I don't care how it came off. You shouldn't either.

congratulations mr. philosopher you've figured me out. are you satisfied? well i satisfied you by letting you know where you were right. so can you satisfy me by taking this discussion seriously and actually building from my points instead of dismissing them? clearly i put effort into them.

one thing though im not nor have i at all been pissed or even the slightest irate in this discussion.

Statements like the one underlined negate the last sentence of your post.

Oh, and the reason I'm dismissing your "well thought out posts" is that, your convoluting this entire argument with false constructs of logic and theory to support the absurd notion that Brand New is in some way original because they take their influences and, what filter it through their own ideologies and creative mentalities? Some bullshit like that? They were a product of their scene, initially. They found something greater and mimicked it. Sure, there's some of their own sensibilities in there, but it's derivative of the bands that they admire, who've contributed and changed their respective subgenres, something Brand New will not do. There isn't anything wrong with this and I enjoy Brand New, but let's call it like it is here.

[kearn1tm]

oh man cool, people hating on brand new. fucking original.

Nobody here is hating on Brand New. I quite like them. Calling them derivative isn't hating on them. Calm down.



key words there. but the backbone of the song is specifically brand new's as are a few of the production tricks they didnt pull out of their subconscious memory vaults. therefore TDAG cant just be written off as their influences meshed together, its their influences mixed in and put on top of brand new's own intrinsic writing and originality.

This...this right here is as subjective an argument as anything I've claimed.

You have no idea how much of their work is not "pulled out of their subconscious memory vaults," or what their own "intrinsic writing and originality" is. What parts of TDAG were theres then? That's the most overused "deus ex machina" argument ever. "They're a blend of influences melded with their own sensibilites." Of course they are, but what's their "own sensibilities?" Most of that album sounds like things that have been done before. Was it as trivial as the inflection in Jesse's voice? Was it the literal lyrical matter being different (as in, not a line-for-line rewrite of their influences lyrics)? Was it production techniques (which isn't true at all, there's nothing new in that)? As long as it isn't exact covers of their predecessors, then yeah, we can say it's filtered through their own "style." Sure.

[theguy77]

That doesn't make you smart. You have the basic deductive ability to distinguish between Brand New and Radiohead.



That's not fact. In fact, there are many "smart" people who listen to what we'd deem terrible music and are so bold as to defend it. They're ignorant on a musical level but their aptitude in other facets of life is high, or they acknowledge the music they actively absorb and enjoy isn't necessarily good (excuse me, "good on a technical level" which is just as subjective a criticism as anything you're pinning on me, but phrased in a way to mask this). You're calling yourself smart based on your views of an entertainment medium and artform.



I don't care how it came off. You shouldn't either.



Statements like the one underlined negate the last sentence of your post.

Oh, and the reason I'm dismissing your "well thought out posts" is that, your convoluting this entire argument with false constructs of logic and theory to support the absurd notion that Brand New is in some way original because they take their influences and, what filter it through their own ideologies and creative mentalities? Some bullshit like that? They were a product of their scene, initially. They found something greater and mimicked it. Sure, there's some of their own sensibilities in there, but it's derivative of the bands that they admire, who've contributed and changed their respective subgenres, something Brand New will not do. There isn't anything wrong with this and I enjoy Brand New, but let's call it like it is here.

you know what, fuck this, now i am pissed bceause you're attacking me and we're not having a discussion anymore, i never said "look at me im smart" all i said was "im not an idiot just beacuse i listen to pop-punk". "good on a technical level" is a matter of fact, there are set measures of how much gets put into a song based on music theory. the bolded part is STILL wrong because you're too arrogant to read my post. but through your assumptions which supposedly dont exist, you addressed it 3 or 4 times anyway. you remain headstrong in your own opinion that brand new are plagiarizers because a 17 year old couldnt possibly have any argument with enough substance to change what you're already correct about. i used to respect your intelligence but it's worth nothing because you're MORE arrogant than ben or vinh or toegpi or any of those guys. because you dont concess, you dont accept, you dont even acknowledge, you just dismiss and at the same time try to pick apart the flaws of the person you're arguing with, and why they can never be correct. well congratulations you won the internet. call me pretentious, at least i can admit when im wrong. i shouldnt have wasted valuable sleeping hours arguing with a fuck off like you.

[kearn1tm]

you know what, fuck this, now i am pissed bceause you're attacking me and we're not having a discussion anymore, i never said "look at me im smart" all i said was "im not an idiot just beacuse i listen to pop-punk".

Fair enough. I got confused when you continually said "I've written out these intellectual and well thought out reasons why you're wrong."

I apologize if it seemed like I was attacking you personally. I don't know you. It's not fair.

"good on a technical level" is a matter of fact, there are set measures of how much gets put into a song based on music theory.

Sure, okay, technical. Technical as in, your musical prowess and ability to play an instrument. The technical ability, the technical aspects of sound production and manipulation. Sure. Technicality doesn't necessarily factor in to why Brand New is derivative and why the bands they pull from aren't.

the bolded part is STILL wrong because you're too arrogant to read my post. but through your assumptions which supposedly dont exist, you addressed it 3 or 4 times anyway. you remain headstrong in your own opinion that brand new are plagiarizers because a 17 year old couldnt possibly have any argument with enough substance to change what you're already correct about.

Some arrogance, but mostly laziness. Your posts are long.



i used to respect your intelligence but it's worth nothing because you're MORE arrogant than ben or vinh or toegpi or any of those guys. because you dont concess, you dont accept, you dont even acknowledge, you just dismiss and at the same time try to pick apart the flaws of the person you're arguing with

When the flaws have a substantial impact on the conversation itself, yes, I accentuate them.

I can't admit I'm wrong if I don't know I am or am not. So, no flowery text, no unnecessary word choices or phrases. Why is Brand New "brilliant" in your mind and how aren't they a nearly direct product of their influences?

[theguy77]

Fair enough. I got confused when you continually said "I've written out these intellectual and well thought out reasons why you're wrong."

I apologize if it seemed like I was attacking you personally. I don't know you. It's not fair.



Sure, okay, technical. Technical as in, your musical prowess and ability to play an instrument. The technical ability, the technical aspects of sound production and manipulation. Sure. Technicality doesn't necessarily factor in to why Brand New is derivative and why the bands they pull from aren't.



Some arrogance, but mostly laziness. Your posts are long.





When the flaws have a substantial impact on the conversation itself, yes, I accentuate them.

I can't admit I'm wrong if I don't know I am or am not. So, no flowery text, no unnecessary word choices or phrases. Why is Brand New "brilliant" in your mind and how aren't they a nearly direct product of their influences?

thanks for having the class to apologize. i didnt mean to come off arrogant or like im trying to prove an opinion wrong, i dont always need to win the argument or be correct, i just cant be bothered to discuss things on this site if the person doesnt acknowledge the point im at least trying to make.

brand new is brilliant to me basically because of how they appeal to me emotionally, and TDAG specifically because of the power of the music. i think it's good and ambitious for a band like brand new but not creative or unique -- just "original" which doesnt necessarily mean something new or totally different.

i dont think they're a direct product of their influences because as a songwriter myself i feel you typically wouldnt steal the main guitar (or whatever instrument) part when you're writing, or in other words the "backbone", and that along with the lyrics make it your own original song. but when you're filling in all the empty holes of the song i.e. the production, its very easy to take from a lot other things, likely without realizing it (but sometimes you do) and that's what makes it sound overall like other bands, but that is the essence of influence. how much production is yours and how much you took (knowingly or not) from another band determines the strength of the influence as well as how obvious it is. apparently in TDAG's case the influence is very obvious.

i dont need you to agree or concess to anything i would just like you to understand my perspective. im going to bed i'll read your reply tomorrow.

[staticandclarity]

in other news...im excited for another brand new record.
people should really settle down.

pretty sure bands dont write music for kids to sit around and argue about it
this aint politics
its music
enjoy it or dont

dont bash others for liking it or hating it
its personal opinion
and taste

like ice cream.

[deeplyinept]

in other news...im excited for another brand new record.
people should really settle down.

pretty sure bands dont write music for kids to sit around and argue about it
this aint politics
its music
enjoy it or dont

dont bash others for liking it or hating it
its personal opinion
and taste

like ice cream.
a current trend is to hate trendy bands, i think

[kearn1tm]

thanks for having the class to apologize. i didnt mean to come off arrogant or like im trying to prove an opinion wrong, i dont always need to win the argument or be correct, i just cant be bothered to discuss things on this site if the person doesnt acknowledge the point im at least trying to make.

Again, I'm not here to insult you. That was never my intention. I apologize if I came across as insulting or in an aggressive, attacking manner.

brand new is brilliant to me basically because of how they appeal to me emotionally, and TDAG specifically because of the power of the music. i think it's good and ambitious for a band like brand new but not creative or unique -- just "original" which doesnt necessarily mean something new or totally different.
Okay, I'll concede that, due to the relative nature of what constitutes are brilliant, Brand New may be "brilliant" by your criteria insofar as being able to foster in a specific ambiance or create various emotions with their music for you. However, and this isn't to negate your opinion, just a difference opinion here, this is a line that could applied to nearly any scene band. Aiden appeals to their fans emotionally and specifically because of the "power" of the music. Brand New, on a technical level, is superior to Aiden, but they create this emotion with you because they've combined the musical styles of some of the most influential "indie" (for lack of a better modifier) bands of the last fifteen years and formed a rather entertaining synthesis of the sounds.

Oh, and I disagree with the "original not meaning something new or different." My 2005 edition Webster's Dictionary defines "original" as [I]new; fresh; inventive; novel: an original way of advertising (which, in the context of Brand New's past work, it fits this definition, but it's not really inventive if it's a product of the past works of others) and arising or proceeding independently of anything else (TDAGARIM has not proceeded independently of anything else - it's existence is owed in great part to many artists before it).

You say they're not "unique," but you'd have a better chance convincing me they are, because in the scene, they're more unique than most, and in the contemporary musical climate, there aren't many mainstream bands who've melded together influences such as Archers of Loaf, Neutral Milk Hotel, Pavement and Radiohead. In that respect, they're unique.

Again, this isn't me trying to dismiss your opinion, but I simply do not agree with it, so I can't say "you make good points" due to the fact that I think you're wrong. However, I appreciate the articulation of your viewpoint.

i dont think they're a direct product of their influences because as a songwriter myself i feel you typically wouldnt steal the main guitar (or whatever instrument) part when you're writing, or in other words the "backbone", and that along with the lyrics make it your own original song.
Now this, this I can't "disprove" because it's a highly subjective argument, and so I'll say I respect this perspective, but I don't agree with it.

As a songwriter myself (one who openly steals from Talking Heads, Death From Above 1979, The Fall and The Rapture, but necessarily meaning to), in the purest sense, no Brand New didn't "steal the main guitar." It's a different composition. It's a different song. You did not hear Not The Sun on Doolittle. However, the way they write each respective instrument parts is done so and sounds strongly like a Pixes song or a Pavement song. The ambient noise and production they implement into their tracks are not directly lifted from any other band, but the sound/style is indebted to and sounds very much like Radiohead. Even the way Lacey writes his lyrics is mirrored from Morrissey and Mangum. So, you're right, they did not plagiarize anyone, but they very unsubtly adopted the sound of these bands, and wrote their instrumentals, the "backbone" as you put it, in this sound.

Now, you could easily say you don't agree either, because this stylistic argument is also pretty subjective, but it's hard to say that their chord progressions and the like aren't extremely similar to their predecessors.

but when you're filling in all the empty holes of the song i.e. the production, its very easy to take from a lot other things, likely without realizing it (but sometimes you do) and that's what makes it sound overall like other bands, but that is the essence of influence. how much production is yours and how much you took (knowingly or not) from another band determines the strength of the influence as well as how obvious it is. apparently in TDAG's case the influence is very obvious.
It's very possible that Lacey and co. didn't set out to craft an album in the image of their influences. That sonic ambiance may have been an organic construct, which wasn't a conscious decision. Given the very methodical nature of writing, recording and producing music, I can't imagine they were completely oblivious during that very meticulous process, but I digress. "How much production is yours and how much you took determines the strength of the influence as well as how obvious it is." I'd say that it's fairly obvious who they took their production and sound from in that respect and say that it's Lacey doing Greenwood. It's Lacey's insofar as it's not been heard on a Radiohead album, but it's the same because it's heavily steeped in what Radiohead ushered in.

So, to sum up, I do "understand your perspective" but on a whole, I don't agree with it. If that makes you loose respect for me, that's fine but odd. If someone said something you completely disagreed with, you wouldn't concede to that point. I won't do the same. Conversely, I do confess that much of our dueling points are subjective, so it's hard to say either is "definitively right or wrong." In that regard, I say we respectfully agree to disagree.

[kearn1tm]

in other news...im excited for another brand new record.
people should really settle down.

pretty sure bands dont write music for kids to sit around and argue about it
this aint politics
its music
enjoy it or dont

dont bash others for liking it or hating it
its personal opinion
and taste

like ice cream.

So, we aren't supposed to analyze, debate and discuss music because it's such a "black and white artform that you either like a band or don't?" That's absurd.

[Chromefox]

You know what? I am insecure about my love of Brand New. I wasn't until I came to this forum, and suddenly my opinion as a human being was devalued by a copy and paste of my favourite artist section in my profile.

[Yes. And?]

Serious business! This band is okay. I like The Devil And God Are Raging Inside Me.

[kearn1tm]

You know what? I am insecure about my love of Brand New. I wasn't until I came to this forum, and suddenly my opinion as a human being was devalued by a copy and paste of my favourite artist section in my profile.

Yes, dramatic.

Life is drama.

That guy on the subway looked AT ME. I think he's in love with me and is plotting my death with a car bomb after courting my mother and leaving my turtle dead in front of my room as a sign of things to come. I can tell by that glare he gave to me.

Life is arbitrary, well-choreographed dance routines while the boy I like kills my soul when he looks at Megan.

Jazz hands to black.

[Chromefox]

Hey, you wanted to know. The answer is it's your fault.

[theguy77]

Okay, I'll concede that, due to the relative nature of what constitutes are brilliant, Brand New may be "brilliant" by your criteria insofar as being able to foster in a specific ambiance or create various emotions with their music for you. However, and this isn't to negate your opinion, just a difference opinion here, this is a line that could applied to nearly any scene band. Aiden appeals to their fans emotionally and specifically because of the "power" of the music. Brand New, on a technical level, is superior to Aiden, but they create this emotion with you

yes, this is exactly what im saying. any band can be brilliant in their own specific way when you get down to it. we may not understand what makes anyone find aiden to be brilliant but people do.

because they've combined the musical styles of some of the most influential "indie" (for lack of a better modifier) bands of the last fifteen years and formed a rather entertaining synthesis of the sounds.

not rejecting this opinion, but addressing it later.

Oh, and I disagree with the "original not meaning something new or different." My 2005 edition Webster's Dictionary defines "original" as [I]new; fresh; inventive; novel: an original way of advertising (which, in the context of Brand New's past work, it fits this definition, but it's not really inventive if it's a product of the past works of others) and arising or proceeding independently of anything else (TDAGARIM has not proceeded independently of anything else - it's existence is owed in great part to many artists before it).

well maybe original is the wrong word to use for what im aiming for but i dont feel like sifting through my thesaurus, so when i use the word incorrectly, try to view it in the context of the product spawning directly from the origin. the origin has been mostly synthesized from a mesh of outside influence, sure, but the product spawns directly from that origin and only indirectly from outside sources. again, im explaining later.

You say they're not "unique," but you'd have a better chance convincing me they are, because in the scene, they're more unique than most, and in the contemporary musical climate, there aren't many mainstream bands who've melded together influences such as Archers of Loaf, Neutral Milk Hotel, Pavement and Radiohead. In that respect, they're unique.

unique in the scene yes. unique on the entire spectrum of music, absolutely not. i define unique as simply doing what no one has done before. maybe thats what original is supposed to mean instead, haha. but hopefully you still understand where im coming from.


Now this, this I can't "disprove" because it's a highly subjective argument, and so I'll say I respect this perspective, but I don't agree with it.

As a songwriter myself (one who openly steals from Talking Heads, Death From Above 1979, The Fall and The Rapture, but necessarily meaning to), in the purest sense, no Brand New didn't "steal the main guitar." It's a different composition. It's a different song. You did not hear Not The Sun on Doolittle. However, the way they write each respective instrument parts is done so and sounds strongly like a Pixes song or a Pavement song. The ambient noise and production they implement into their tracks are not directly lifted from any other band, but the sound/style is indebted to and sounds very much like Radiohead. Even the way Lacey writes his lyrics is mirrored from Morrissey and Mangum. So, you're right, they did not plagiarize anyone, but they very unsubtly adopted the sound of these bands, and wrote their instrumentals, the "backbone" as you put it, in this sound.

Now, you could easily say you don't agree either, because this stylistic argument is also pretty subjective, but it's hard to say that their chord progressions and the like aren't extremely similar to their predecessors.

yeah this i can accept. i mean no matter what kind of songwriter you are, your style of writing is almost inevitably going to be a product of what you listen to and enjoy most. its very, very rare that writing STYLE isn't adopted or synthesized. but let's compare it to a person's moral construct, for example. say you grow up in a family with a DIY ethic of work. as a child you'll see your father and uncles propping up walls in your basement, you'll see the horticulture outside your mother cultivated herself, and in admiration of it you'll adopt a similar mindset yourself. when you're little you may say "i want to be just like daddy" and copy him. but as you grow older and develop into your "own person" the DIY motivation is intrinsic; you're not doing it yourself because your dad does and you want to be like him, you do it because it doesnt feel right for someone else to do it. your own pride and ability awareness motivates you, and while this mindset may be a product of the environment in which you were raised, ultimately you made the decision to build your own house because you wanted to.

its the same with brand new. their STYLE of writing is obviously a product of those bands you namedropped but the technicalities of what they actually write come from within. therefore to say they "stole" it is kind of harsh, because i doubt they said "oh lets make a radiohead song with sonic youth atmosphere". it just came out sounding that way. it's only justifiable to hold this against them if they claim to make a sound that no one has ever made before, but they are making songs no one else has made before so its not stolen. the album im about to record sounds like the graduate, say anything, the early november, old taking back sunday etc. etc., but i didnt learn and take any of their riffs or purposely make it sound like them. it was my own writing but it sounds like that because im heavily influenced by all four, and i'd never claim to be writing anything unique.

It's very possible that Lacey and co. didn't set out to craft an album in the image of their influences. That sonic ambiance may have been an organic construct, which wasn't a conscious decision. Given the very methodical nature of writing, recording and producing music, I can't imagine they were completely oblivious during that very meticulous process, but I digress. "How much production is yours and how much you took determines the strength of the influence as well as how obvious it is." I'd say that it's fairly obvious who they took their production and sound from in that respect and say that it's Lacey doing Greenwood. It's Lacey's insofar as it's not been heard on a Radiohead album, but it's the same because it's heavily steeped in what Radiohead ushered in.

exactly.

So, to sum up, I do "understand your perspective" but on a whole, I don't agree with it. If that makes you loose respect for me, that's fine but odd. If someone said something you completely disagreed with, you wouldn't concede to that point. I won't do the same. Conversely, I do confess that much of our dueling points are subjective, so it's hard to say either is "definitively right or wrong." In that regard, I say we respectfully agree to disagree.

okay, cool.

[Dr. Acula]

they've essentially made a synthesis of their influences sounds.

Isnt this just about every band?

[kearn1tm]

Isnt this just about every band?

Most bands aren't heralded as innovative geniuses and the level of "aping" and the innovation of the product at the end varies.

[Machu505]

Coolio.

[Dr. Acula]

Most bands aren't heralded as innovative geniuses and the level of "aping" and the innovation of the product at the end varies.

I must have missed where someone said Brand New were innovative geniuses.

[Dr. Acula]

I think people's perspective are a bit skewed by this website. In the grand scheme of things, are Brand New that big? Any friends of mine outside the scene have no idea who they are.

[DejaMe]

Bottom line is this...I do agree that people on this website simply like to hate on Brand New because a lot of people like them...in most cases (not all cases) they are simply going against the grain and try to piss everyone off pointlessly. They are not that big outside of the "scene" even though they are signed to a major label, but thats how they want it. It gives them more freedom production-wise, I think that is the main reason why they wanted to moved up. Because everyone has to agree that for a band on the same label home to huge mainstream artist we rarely hear about Brand New, heck they didn't even release a music video for TDAG. Anyways, point is if they wanted to go really big and have a radio-friendly sound they could dumb it down but they choose to retain their artistic integrity and release what they want not what everyone think they should release and want to hear.

To finish i'll like to quote the person that said: they create this emotion with you because they've combined the musical styles of some of the most influential "indie" (for lack of a better modifier) bands of the last fifteen years and formed a rather entertaining synthesis of the sounds.

What's wrong with that? That said I do think they their next album will distance them even further away from all of this and silence some of the haters that are just hating for the sake hating. Sometimes it's ok to believe the hype. Not that, Brand New gets that much but apparently they are overated.

[airik625]

I'm not holding my breath.

[freefall123]

didnt everyone know this already? :-|

[Praetor]

I think people's perspective are a bit skewed by this website. In the grand scheme of things, are Brand New that big? Any friends of mine outside the scene have no idea who they are.
I think Sic Transit Gloria and The Quiet Things got decent MTV play but no one knows who they are anymore outside of this scene.

[theguy77]

I think Sic Transit Gloria and The Quiet Things got decent MTV play but no one knows who they are anymore outside of this scene.

i did hear jesus on the radio more than i heard either of those other songs though.

[kearn1tm]

I must have missed where someone said Brand New were innovative geniuses.

Then I say welcome to AP.net.

[chipdip18]

I think Sic Transit Gloria and The Quiet Things got decent MTV play but no one knows who they are anymore outside of this scene.

It's true. TDAG kept them from going huge outside of their fanbase/scene/groupies/whatever.

[theguy77]

Bottom line is this...I do agree that people on this website simply like to hate on Brand New because a lot of people like them...in most cases (not all cases) they are simply going against the grain and try to piss everyone off pointlessly. They are not that big outside of the "scene" even though they are signed to a major label, but thats how they want it. It gives them more freedom production-wise, I think that is the main reason why they wanted to moved up. Because everyone has to agree that for a band on the same label home to huge mainstream artist we rarely hear about Brand New, heck they didn't even release a music video for TDAG. Anyways, point is if they wanted to go really big and have a radio-friendly sound they could dumb it down but they choose to retain their artistic integrity and release what they want not what everyone think they should release and want to hear.

To finish i'll like to quote the person that said: they create this emotion with you because they've combined the musical styles of some of the most influential "indie" (for lack of a better modifier) bands of the last fifteen years and formed a rather entertaining synthesis of the sounds.

What's wrong with that? That said I do think they their next album will distance them even further away from all of this and silence some of the haters that are just hating for the sake hating. Sometimes it's ok to believe the hype. Not that, Brand New gets that much but apparently they are overated.

a lot of people overrate brand new, man. theres plenty of people who consider brand new more technically brilliant than radiohead, and htose are the people kearn1tm was getting at with his sarcasm in the first place. if there wasnt a group of their fanbase that was so mongoloid they wouldnt get any more hate than the next band; actually theyd probably be almost unanimously respected in comparison to other bands in ap's scene because they're doing more with and adding more substance to their music.

[Praetor]

i did hear jesus on the radio more than i heard either of those other songs though.
Now that you mention it, I do know of a few girls at my school who knew that song.

[ThemChains]

Everyone should prepare themselves for the shit storm that will follow the leak/release of this album.


Oh and the 18907908679-07-7917601 demos that people will be posting before the album comes out.

[theguy77]

Everyone should prepare themselves for the shit storm that will follow the leak/release of this album.


Oh and the 18907908679-07-7917601 demos that people will be posting before the album comes out.

fine by me. the hype wont bother me like it does for the dark knight movie becuase i was already hyped about this before the real hype came.

[IWasaCamera]

Bottom line is this...I do agree that people on this website simply like to hate on Brand New because a lot of people like them...in most cases (not all cases) they are simply going against the grain and try to piss everyone off pointlessly.
Or perhaps they don't care for (gasp) the music and are annoyed by the innumerable and unwarranted accolades this band receives.
They are not that big outside of the "scene" even though they are signed to a major label, but thats how they want it. It gives them more freedom production-wise, I think that is the main reason why they wanted to moved up. Because everyone has to agree that for a band on the same label home to huge mainstream artist we rarely hear about Brand New, heck they didn't even release a music video for TDAG. Anyways, point is if they wanted to go really big and have a radio-friendly sound they could dumb it down but they choose to retain their artistic integrity and release what they want not what everyone think they should release and want to hear.
Awesome?
To finish i'll like to quote the person that said: they create this emotion with you because they've combined the musical styles of some of the most influential "indie" (for lack of a better modifier) bands of the last fifteen years and formed a rather entertaining synthesis of the sounds.

What's wrong with that?
Nothing. This has been stated several times already.
That said I do think they their next album will distance them even further away from all of this and silence some of the haters that are just hating for the sake hating.
As long as Brand New are AP's musical deities, it's not going to happen.
Sometimes it's ok to believe the hype. Not that, Brand New gets that much but apparently they are overated.
hahahahaha



A decent chunk of Brand New's fans are morons, TDAG is their best yet, and I don't hate this band at all.

[stupidtyonparad]

brand new fans are morons because they are from a pop-punk/emo background so they have shit fans. ive punched people or told them to shut the fuck up at shows on numerous occasions (theres always those assholes who always want to hear soco amaretto lime or seventy times 7)

that being said, the comparison to radiohead somebody mentioned i disagree and agree with. radiohead wrote creep so that alone gives them some of the same bullshit fans brand new has. i think radiohead's songwriting is much more creative and "technical" but the sheer depth of the devil and god are raging inside me makes it amazing. they layer tracks like very few other bands out today.

and i never once heard jesus on the radio, however i heard degausser once because they had a show coming up and one radio station here plays welcome to bangkok as the intro to their afternoon show but they never like say "hey thats brand new with welcome to bangkok" so most prob dont knwo what it is

[theguy77]

brand new fans are morons because they are from a pop-punk/emo background so they have shit fans. ive punched people or told them to shut the fuck up at shows on numerous occasions (theres always those assholes who always want to hear soco amaretto lime or seventy times 7)

disregarding your incorrect use of the term "emo" as that topic has been beaten to death, it isnt this that makes the fanbase moronic. most of their fanbase including the ones who like the new direction were without a doubt bred from a pop-punk scene from ages as early as 10 years old, and its more times than not the origin of the importance of music in their lives. but its all about how well these kids embrace other types of music and understand that a band will want to progress in different directions, the real morons are the kids who blindly reject anything which isnt in this scene, but still stick around with the expectation that all bands are supposed to return to a supposedly superior form of music. those are the ones who are complete fuck-offs at shows.

[stupidtyonparad]

disregarding your incorrect use of the term "emo" as that topic has been beaten to death, it isnt this that makes the fanbase moronic. most of their fanbase including the ones who like the new direction were without a doubt bred from a pop-punk scene from ages as early as 10 years old, and its more times than not the origin of the importance of music in their lives. but its all about how well these kids embrace other types of music and understand that a band will want to progress in different directions, the real morons are the kids who blindly reject anything which isnt in this scene, but still stick around with the expectation that all bands are supposed to return to a supposedly superior form of music. those are the ones who are complete fuck-offs at shows.


this coming from a guy who posts about 5 times in a row in brand new threads. im sorry but all i ever see you do is defend this band which to me makes that statement a little hypocritical (and no, im not hating on brand new, you know i love them, hell ive seen them 6 times in the past year). regardless, i stand by my statement, the brand new fans who are douche bags are usually musically shallow and clinge to the old stuff like its the holy gral and those who like the new stuff never knew it existed because they were...again..musically shallow

[theguy77]

this coming from a guy who posts about 5 times in a row in brand new threads. im sorry but all i ever see you do is defend this band which to me makes that statement a little hypocritical (and no, im not hating on brand new, you know i love them, hell ive seen them 6 times in the past year). regardless, i stand by my statement, the brand new fans who are douche bags are usually musically shallow and clinge to the old stuff like its the holy gral and those who like the new stuff never knew it existed because they were...again..musically shallow

well what do you expect me to do, bash my favorite band? how is that even hypocritical, im not one of the kids who hates anything outside of a scene and im certainly not one of the kids who think brand new is the most unique innovative band ever.

[DejaMe]

a lot of people overrate brand new, man. theres plenty of people who consider brand new more technically brilliant than radiohead, and htose are the people kearn1tm was getting at with his sarcasm in the first place. if there wasnt a group of their fanbase that was so mongoloid they wouldnt get any more hate than the next band; actually theyd probably be almost unanimously respected in comparison to other bands in ap's scene because they're doing more with and adding more substance to their music.


But are you trying to blame the band for how dumb some of their fans are? I mean its unfortunate that it is this way but thats what happens when you start out your musical career by playing simple pop-punk albeit with a slight dark edge in the lyrical department. They are still associated with the "scene" but to me they always wanted to be more than that...if they could do it all over again there would be no YFW and we wouldn't even be discussing this. The way they've changed it up since YFW (drastically for ppl who had only heard pop-punk i.e most of their fanbase) just goes to show that they are trying to streer as far away as possible from their roots and in this case that is not a bad thing at all since they've gotten progressively better with each release.

[theguy77]

But are you trying to blame the band for how dumb some of their fans are? I mean its unfortunate that it is this way but thats what happens when you start out your musical career by playing simple pop-punk albeit with a slight dark edge in the lyrical department. They are still associated with the "scene" but to me they always wanted to be more than that...if they could do it all over again there would be no YFW and we wouldn't even be discussing this. The way they've changed it up since YFW (drastically for ppl who had only heard pop-punk i.e most of their fanbase) just goes to show that they are trying to streer as far away as possible from their roots and in this case that is not a bad thing at all since they've gotten progressively better with each release.

haha no i love brand new they're my favorite, and not just TDAG but their more pop-punk oriented older stuff too. im just explaining why everyone hates on them so much in this forum.

[DejaMe]

Or perhaps they don't care for (gasp) the music and are annoyed by the innumerable and unwarranted accolades this band receives.

Awesome?

Nothing. This has been stated several times already.

As long as Brand New are AP's musical deities, it's not going to happen.

hahahahaha



A decent chunk of Brand New's fans are morons, TDAG is their best yet, and I don't hate this band at all.

First of all, thanks for all of that it really shows that you care. I think it's safe to say to we are both fans of the band or so if you're not a fan then you appreciated some of their music. Also, chances are you're probably french but you seem very articulate in english much more then me for a frenchie. I'm french also BTW.

Moving on starting with your first quote: Show me. Show me. Before TDAG you have a valid point but anything after is warranted IMO.

second: Merci beaucoup.

third: I got over-excited and didn't read everything before posting.

fourth: They are jsut getting started, if it's not with the next album that it happens i'll be with the one after that.

fifth: Was that supposed to be funny or are you just being sarcastic kinda of hard to tell over the internetss. No I'm not stupid, that statement is a bit dumb but is it the band themselved that are hyping it up? It's not their fault they just wanna make music. Take it or leave it.

Amen on the TDAG accolate, the sky is the limit for this band haha

[IWasaCamera]

First of all, thanks for all of that it really shows that you care. I think it's safe to say to we are both fans of the band or so if you're not a fan then you appreciated some of their music. Also, chances are you're probably french but you seem very articulate in english much more then me for a frenchie. I'm french also BTW.
I'm not French nor am I a fan of this band. I do however, enjoy about half of TDAG.
Moving on starting with your first quote: Show me. Show me. Before TDAG you have a valid point but anything after is warranted IMO.
Stick around for the next Brand New release and you will be subjected to the ridiculous amount of praise this band garners.
fourth: They are jsut getting started, if it's not with the next album that it happens i'll be with the one after that.
Disagree. The obligatory haters will always be there. If fans were to undergo a radical transition from shitty to halfway decent taste, you might have a case. Odds are this won't occur.
fifth: Was that supposed to be funny or are you just being sarcastic kinda of hard to tell over the internetss. No I'm not stupid, that statement is a bit dumb but is it the band themselved that are hyping it up? It's not their fault they just wanna make music. Take it or leave it.
I simply find it humorous that you don't consider Brand new over-hyped.
Amen on the TDAG accolate, the sky is the limit for this band haha
Wouldn't go that far. With any lack, they may be able to break from the confines of the scene one day.