Political preference

[Dr Balls]

Yes bring it on baby! The highly delectable and always trustworthy Dr. Balls is doing this poll for his logically intricate website!

[jgirv17]

More people on this site are going to be liberal - like me - than conservative since that's the audience it reaches out to. Nationwide, though, a conservative attitude is in the majority.

[venus/bacchus]

More people on this site are going to be liberal - like me - than conservative since that's the audience it reaches out to. Nationwide, though, a conservative attitude is in the majority.
I heard an interesting quote once (and I wish I knew who it was by), this isn't exact, but it's close...

"If one is young and isn't liberal, he has no heart...if he is old and not conservative, he has no brains"

discuss

[yeat182]

I heard an interesting quote once (and I wish I knew who it was by), this isn't exact, but it's close...

"If one is young and isn't liberal, he has no heart...if he is old and not conservative, he has no brains"

discuss

Winston Churchill

and i think it makes sense, liberals seem to be idealists, while conservatives seem to be more pragmatic, and that usually comes with experience, which usually comes with age.

[ohlookitspaul]

are you saying you have no heart?

haha i'm just kidding.



yeah the results of this are highly predictable.

[Justin_stacy]

I heard an interesting quote once (and I wish I knew who it was by), this isn't exact, but it's close...

"If one is young and isn't liberal, he has no heart...if he is old and not conservative, he has no brains"

discuss


"Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has no heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains."
-- Winston Churchill

[cantnokdahustle]

Hitler was pretty conservative.

[Justin_stacy]

and the nazis party was pretty liberal...

[cantnokdahustle]

and the nazis party was pretty liberal...


What!

[worldstheory]

and the nazis party was pretty liberal...
No, it's the communists that were extremist liberal. Nazis were extremist conservative.

[hXc_pwnage]

Lean towards liberal.

But I agree with the conservatives on lessening the government.

[boysdontcry]

I heard an interesting quote once (and I wish I knew who it was by), this isn't exact, but it's close...

"If one is young and isn't liberal, he has no heart...if he is old and not conservative, he has no brains"

discuss
you have to realize that over time that the meaning of "liberal" and "conservative" are bound to change. what is liberal now might be conservative in the future. discuss.


and i am very very liberal.

and i pretty much agree with that quote.

[Justin_stacy]

No, it's the communists that were extremist liberal. Nazis were extremist conservative.

History is not as "clean cut" as schools try to tell you...

[Justin_stacy]

What!

What???

[worldstheory]

"Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has no heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains."
-- Winston Churchill
I don't agree with that quote, but it's still an excellent quote. I love it. Churchill was awesome.

[ohlookitspaul]

I don't agree with that quote, but it's still an excellent quote. I love it. Churchill was awesome.
ditto.

[Justin_stacy]

I don't agree with that quote, but it's still an excellent quote. I love it. Churchill was awesome.

I don't agree with it either, but I’d personally like to know the context of why he said it, whether it was in his memoirs or in a speech (not that it matters, I just think it would be interesting)...

[KP>you]

No, it's the communists that were extremist liberal. Nazis were extremist conservative.
The Nazi Party was the National Socialist Workers Party or something like that. Socialists are liberal.

And I believe the actual quote is, "If a man is not a liberal when he is 18, he has no heart. If a man is not a conservative when he is 30, he has no brain."

And mind you, this is a while back. Liberals of the day would be considered fairly staunch conservatives today. Like FDR was, by today's standards, a conservative. I think he would probably be pretty appauled by what the liberals of today try to pull of.

[ohlookitspaul]

i don't think FDR would be a conservative today. he instituted social security, larger taxes on the wealthy, new controls over banks and public utilities, and a huge work relief program for the unemployed.

[KP>you]

i don't think FDR would be a conservative today. he instituted social security, larger taxes on the wealthy, new controls over banks and public utilities, and a huge work relief program for the unemployed.
Yes, but notice he didnt use handouts. Which is key. Liberals of today dont feel that the unemployed need to work for their money, where has FDR instituted public works, like using unemployed builders for constructing Timberline Lodge, or unemployed writers to write pamplets for national parks. Might not have been the most important jobs in the world, but atleast they were earing their keep. And as far as taxes, the income tax had been implimented just recently, and when it came out VERY few individuals were taxed, so FDR's broadening of taxes would not be as radical today as they were then. And I know that conservatives arent for large government, but I think if you as anybody, they are all for the FDIC and all of that.

[ohlookitspaul]

KP>You, I see that you have deleted your previous post to as opposed to acknowledging the fact that you made a mistake. How admirable.

[KP>you]

I'm sorry, I am not aware of what you are talking about. Honestly.

[cantnokdahustle]

"Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has no heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains."
-- Winston Churchill


Even adjusted for inflation and stupidity this holds true to the masses.

[ohlookitspaul]

hhahahahaha

i disagree but that was funny.

[cantnokdahustle]

hhahahahaha

i disagree but that was funny.


Tongue and Cheek.

[Alex Djaferis]

"Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has no heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains."
-- Winston Churchill

i love that quote.

[punkerx99]

i don't think FDR would be a conservative today. he instituted social security, larger taxes on the wealthy, new controls over banks and public utilities, and a huge work relief program for the unemployed.

he was never a conservative. the ideals of political parties basically switched because of his actions: before the depression, Liberals wanted less gov't and Conservatives wanted more. when he started using the power of the gov't to its fullest, it was only natural that conservatives would be against whatever the liberals were doing.

as for the poll, i'm a conservative independent.

[ohlookitspaul]

i'm saying he wouldn't be a modern-day conservative. you can't see it but this guy originally posted saying how he thinks FDR wouldn't be a liberal at all these days, and I was responding to him.

[punkerx99]

gotcha. my bad.

[Justin_stacy]

he was never a conservative. the ideals of political parties basically switched because of his actions: before the depression, Liberals wanted less gov't and Conservatives wanted more. when he started using the power of the gov't to its fullest, it was only natural that conservatives would be against whatever the liberals were doing.

as for the poll, i'm a conservative independent.

it was quite sometime before the depression, that the "switch" happened.....

as for KP<you, i think he ment to say, Kennedy, not FDR....who would most likely, if he kept his views of the 60's, would be a moderate conservative today...but, i don't want to put words in Mike...i mean, KP<you's mouth...

[Justin_stacy]

i'm saying he wouldn't be a modern-day conservative. you can't see it but this guy originally posted saying how he thinks FDR wouldn't be a liberal at all these days, and I was responding to him.

its pretty funny that someone would delete their own post, after make such a big deal about the issue....do you think Tate might have been the one to do it?

[ohlookitspaul]

its pretty funny that someone would delete their own post, after make such a big deal about the issue....do you think Tate might have been the one to do it?
apparently Tate put him on his ignore list because he was harrassing him so much or something, and Tate said he probably accidentally put him on the global ban list. I dont think Tate cares enough to take him off of it though, haha.

[Justin_stacy]

apparently Tate put him on his ignore list because he was harrassing him so much or something, and Tate said he probably accidentally put him on the global ban list. I dont think Tate cares enough to take him off of it though, haha.
the best part is, is that i know who that guy is and he really is a dick! :angryfire

[ohlookitspaul]

haha awesome.

[boysdontcry]

that fucker called me a buttmunch.

[hXc_pwnage]

Hahaha.

[boysdontcry]

BrandNewRock05: you find that propaganda yet?
BrandNewRock05: or you realize that it doesnt exist?
dednoytheck: ???
dednoytheck: excuse me?
dednoytheck: who are you?
BrandNewRock05: you are excused
BrandNewRock05: KP>you
dednoytheck: oh hey
dednoytheck: you know i don't wanna be on bad terms with you
BrandNewRock05: I find it funny how you managed to miss the part where I asked for an example of Bush propganda
BrandNewRock05: I dont want to be on bad terms with you either, but unfortunentally you are a douchebag
dednoytheck: ummm, i could go on forever, but environmental policy is one example.
BrandNewRock05: what about it
dednoytheck: that's it. his policies are a joke. look into it. that's just one example
dednoytheck: anyway
BrandNewRock05: thats not propaganda, buttmuch
BrandNewRock05: do you even know what propaganda is?
dednoytheck: how am i a douchbag? you fucking started it. i know that sounds like a third grade argument but you dide
BrandNewRock05: yeah, i guess i was the one who flipped out over being corrected
dednoytheck: fuck off dude. he fucking says one thing to garner support for his policies and does something else
BrandNewRock05: now lets stick to me proving you wrong
dednoytheck: fuck off
dednoytheck: idiotr
BrandNewRock05: thats not propganda
BrandNewRock05: and idiot doesnt have an r
dednoytheck: i don't call people "buttmunches" you fucking retard.
dednoytheck: its called a typo ***got
BrandNewRock05: yes, i must like men because i decided to correct you out of spite for your distaste of corrections
BrandNewRock05: ahem... you have still neglected to mention any propaganda
dednoytheck: eat my shit you fucking loser? what are you getting out of this? i tried to apologize. but no, you have to be a prissy fucking bitch about it.
dednoytheck: fuck off.

then i banned him.
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and by the way on a sort of realted note, the dictionary definiton of propaganda is "information that is spread for the purpose of promoting some cause." that means my example was right because bush makes a big deal about the environment to get elected (the cause he's promoting) but his policies are anything but helping.

anyway, back to the discussion of whatever this thread is about. hehe.

[vikingstrike182]

that fucker called me a buttmunch.

Haha, a buttmunch? That's new for me.

[Justin_stacy]

that fucker called me a buttmunch.
:lol2:

[ohlookitspaul]

an amazing AIM conversation.