Half-ass Christians (or other religions)

[glitteryunicorn]

What are peoples opinions on people who half-ass religion?

I'm trying to make this short as possible and not ramble like I tend to do, but by half-ass Christians I mean, people who are all about "God", go to Church and make being Christian(or whatever else) a big thing in their life but then they go and do "sins" like have sex before marriage, etc etc stuff like that.

I think that having sex before marriage shouldn't be a sin, but I'm also not religious. I just don't see how people can accept everything else "God" has to say and what not, but ignore the "key" parts.

Religious people, your thoughts?

//I don't know if this is the right forum to post in, but being religious is a "personal life" sort of thing, right?

[Renee]

My dad calls it, "living a double life". Then I do this: http://whatego.com/smilies/2.gif

[4N6 science]

I don't like those people that much.. hypocrits, nothing gets me more heated than those people.

[glitteryunicorn]

My dad calls it, "living a double life". Then I do this: http://whatego.com/smilies/2.gif
hahaha! your dad rules.

my mom said once that she would never wait to sleep with someone before they got married because "what if they're really bad in bed, then you're stuck with a shitty partner" I loled

[glitteryunicorn]

I don't like those people that much.. hypocrits, nothing gets me more heated than those people. Agreed.


edit: why couldn't it just push this with my poster reply - weirrrd.

[Renee]

I don't like those people that much.. hypocrits, nothing gets me more heated than those people.
That's why I stopped going to church. That and the safety of everyone else, I don't want them to get caught in the flames.

[4N6 science]

That's why I stopped going to church. That and the safety of everyone else, I don't want them to get caught in the flames.

I stopped going to church a long time ago.. right now I'm agnostic, but I'm sure later on in life I'll probably go back to religion.

[ThemChains]

I stopped going to church a long time ago.. right now I'm agnostic, but I'm sure later on in life I'll probably go back to religion.

This is also a cop out. Do whatever you want your life, then towards the end, turn to accepting God so as to save yourself from any possible backlash in whatever afterlife awaits us.

[4N6 science]

This is also a cop out. Do whatever you want your life, then towards the end, turn to accepting God so as to save yourself from any possible backlash in whatever afterlife awaits us.

yeah I've realized that... but if God is who he says he is and lives up to his word then I choose to go back he will forgive me and that'll be the end of it. right now I'm trying to find my way and religion just isn't helping with that.

[ThemChains]

yeah I've realized that... but if God is who he says he is and lives up to his word then I choose to go back he will forgive me and that'll be the end of it. right now I'm trying to find my way and religion just isn't helping with that.

Then the religion you are prescribing to is not for you, and by going "back" to it later in life, would be false faith. According to most Christian religions, this is a sure way to Hell.

[4N6 science]

Then the religion you are prescribing to is not for you, and by going "back" to it later in life, would be false faith. According to most Christian religions, this is a sure way to Hell.


well them either way I'm damned if I do and damned if I don't... that's why religion doesn't help..

[ThemChains]

well them either way I'm damned if I do and damned if I don't... that's why religion doesn't help..

Search outside the realms of established, orthodox churches. If God is who Christian leaders and Christian beliefs would like me to think he is, it is no God I would want to live under.

[4N6 science]

Search outside the realms of established, orthodox churches. If God is who Christian leaders and Christian beliefs would like me to think he is, it is no God I would want to live under.

I'm not very spiritual.. I'm a scientist and I like to learn and live by seeking the truth that way.. not religion.

[ThemChains]

I'm not very spiritual.. I'm a scientist and I like to learn and live by seeking the truth that way.. not religion.

What if everything you are learning about and living for and seeking to find was put in place by God?

[glitteryunicorn]

Are you religious, ThemChains?

[ThemChains]

Are you religious, ThemChains?

Religious is not the word I would use to describe it.

[4N6 science]

What if everything you are learning about and living for and seeking to find was put in place by God?

Well he better let us figure out a way to prove his existance and reason for making things the way they are. If there's one thing that is (almost) always truthful it's science.

[ThemChains]

Well he better let us figure out a way to prove his existance and reason for making things the way they are. If there's one thing that is (almost) always truthful it's science.

What if God reveals himself to everyone in a different way? What if God just is? The principle of faith is knowing that something is there, and will always be there, without having proof.

[4N6 science]

What if God reveals himself to everyone in a different way? What if God just is? The principle of faith is knowing that something is there, and will always be there, without having proof.

the principle of faith contradicts everything I have ever learned as a scientist. Faith is not how you seek the truth.

[glitteryunicorn]

You two are cute :)

[ThemChains]

the principle of faith contradicts everything I have ever learned as a scientist. Faith is not how you seek the truth.

I understand what you are saying. From a science point of view, religion is incredibly hard to accept, however, what if God created everything that is being discovered, knowing we would discover it. What if the whole system was already made this way? You are only uncovering another being's work.

[4N6 science]

I understand what you are saying. From a science point of view, religion is incredibly hard to accept, however, what if God created everything that is being discovered, knowing we would discover it. What if the whole system was already made this way? You are only uncovering another being's work.

I mean I can't deny the fact that there is a chance of that being true. But the probability of it actually happening is quite small, incredibly small. I've read a few articles in science journals about this and most of Richard Dawkins book The God Delusion. That's why I say I'm agnostic at this point. If God exists and reveals himself then I will glady accept what he says.. he's yet to do that.

You two are cute :)

thanks..nothing like a little discussion.

[mynameisX]

I understand what you are saying. From a science point of view, religion is incredibly hard to accept, however, what if God created everything that is being discovered, knowing we would discover it. What if the whole system was already made this way? You are only uncovering another being's work.


This makes a lot of sense.

[ThemChains]

I mean I can't deny the fact that there is a chance of that being true. But the probability of it actually happening is quite small, incredibly small. I've read a few articles in science journals about this and most of Richard Dawkins book The God Delusion. That's why I say I'm agnostic at this point. If God exists and reveals himself then I will glady accept what he says.. he's yet to do that.



thanks..nothing like a little discussion.

Hmmm...I am not sure that God has even revealed itself in my life. My faith is on very shaky ground, but I do know that I have a spiritual connection with the creator of this entire universe of which I am a very small part. That connection, as well as the connection between other humans and myself, the perfection with which all parts of the human body work together, the way that nature has an uncanny way of working for itself, is all too perfect to have just happened.

[alcoholandirony]

What if the whole system was already made this way? You are only uncovering another being's work.

What if everything was created last thursday and we all have implanted memories?

You can say "What if" until the end of time but you'll never learn anything.

[4N6 science]

Hmmm...I am not sure that God has even revealed itself in my life. My faith is on very shaky ground, but I do know that I have a spiritual connection with the creator of this entire universe of which I am a very small part. That connection, as well as the connection between other humans and myself, the perfection with which all parts of the human body work together, the way that nature has an uncanny way of working for itself, is all too perfect to have just happened.


but why couldn't it have just happened. why do humans have to feel like we have some purpose in the universe? why can't we accept the fact that possibly we're just beings in a infinite universe that don't matter and when we die that's it, you just cease to exist.

[glitteryunicorn]

What I really want to know, is why there are so many religions. There can't be 5,278,327,382 "Gods".

but why couldn't it have just happened. why do humans have to feel like we have some purpose in the universe? why can't we accept the fact that possibly we're just beings in a infinite universe that don't matter and when we die that's it, you just cease to exist. So true.

And why can't people think for themselves? Instead of having to do everything "God" says.

[4N6 science]

religion is a means for people to make sense of things and feel comforted, and it was a tool devised by humans as a means for control.

time to go home I can't wait to read the rebuttal.

[alcoholandirony]

Hmmm...I am not sure that God has even revealed itself in my life. My faith is on very shaky ground, but I do know that I have a spiritual connection with the creator of this entire universe of which I am a very small part. That connection, as well as the connection between other humans and myself, the perfection with which all parts of the human body work together, the way that nature has an uncanny way of working for itself, is all too perfect to have just happened.

i.e. disease and mass extinction?

[glitteryunicorn]

religion is a means for people to make sense of things and feel comforted, and it was a tool devised by humans as a means for control. Its used as a 'crutch'.

[alcoholandirony]

religion is a means for people to make sense of things and feel comforted, and it was a tool devised by humans as a means for control.

time to go home I can't wait to read the rebuttal.

qft.

[glitteryunicorn]

Okay, what is qft?

edit; I think I found it, nevermind...

QFT Quoted For Truth?

[ThemChains]

but why couldn't it have just happened. why do humans have to feel like we have some purpose in the universe? why can't we accept the fact that possibly we're just beings in a infinite universe that don't matter and when we die that's it, you just cease to exist.

That's a very fine thing for one to accept, if they so choose. I don't think we all have some grand purpose. If you recall above I said I am a very small part in the universe. Finite, miniscule, essentially meaningless. Does that mean I shouldn't live my life to the best of my ability? I'm not going to change the world? But what if I can change the lives of those around me? I'm not going to shove my beliefs in anyone's face, and I'm not telling you to immediately drop to your knees and show God your appreciation, it's just that things in my life have worked out in such puzzle piece like fashion that it is hard to deny that something has been laid out for me.

What I really want to know, is why there are so many religions. There can't be 5,278,327,382 "Gods".

Most all religions say the same thing, only in a different way. They all lead to the same end, only on different paths.

[glitteryunicorn]

Most all religions say the same thing, only in a different way. They all lead to the same end, only on different paths.

I know, why can't they just all combine and make one? lol

[ThemChains]

religion is a means for people to make sense of things and feel comforted, and it was a tool devised by humans as a means for control.

time to go home I can't wait to read the rebuttal.

Agreed. Many people have used religion as a weapon with which to gain power, money, and respect. This is contradictory to all teachings of God, which is why organized religion is something I wouldn't recommend to anyone. I don't use a personal relationship with God to feel comforted or to make sense of things, I use it as just that, another relationship in my life.

[alcoholandirony]

I know, why can't they just all combine and make one? lol

because the fundamentalists would never accept it. ::sigh::

[sdbrown]

What I really want to know, is why there are so many religions. There can't be 5,278,327,382 "Gods".
there can if you're polytheistic!

[ThemChains]

there can if you're polytheistic!

hahaha. Truth.

[hellogorgeous]

you should practice what you preach

[ThemChains]

you should practice what you preach

Are you talking to me?

[LansingGaddis]

Agreed. Many people have used religion as a weapon with which to gain power, money, and respect. This is contradictory to all teachings of God, which is why organized religion is something I wouldn't recommend to anyone. I don't use a personal relationship with God to feel comforted or to make sense of things, I use it as just that, another relationship in my life.

How do you have a personal relationship with someone you can't communicate with or even be sure exists? That is something I don't get about "spiritual" people.

[nfgrox312]

"the best way to test your faith, is to give it up for just one day, and decide to take whatever fate throws your way."

My faith has been incredibly shaky for the last couple years and I wrote that lyric for one of my band's songs. It means to me that if you believe in something, but aren't completely sure, live one day without thinking about it. Then replay that day through your mind and see how it went, and if everything fate gave you was good, then you're faith is in the right place. Of course, one day won't always give you the best answer, but it is a way of figuring things out. It's funny though in my band because we're split 3-2 on agnostics/atheists and christians. The one christian calls himself one, but never goes to church and "sins" a lot. He always says stuff like, "It's weird how Kevin walks around so proud in being an atheist even though he's wrong." That kind of stuff just bugs me so the half-ass christian thing is really irritating to me.

/end rant

[ThemChains]

How do you have a personal relationship with someone you can't communicate with or even be sure exists? That is something I don't get about "spiritual" people.

Has it occurred to anyone that I could be playing devil's advocate for the sake of discussion? And the answer to the question is, God communicates to us through more than mere words. If we are all a part of God, then all parts of us are also God. We do not have to speak to it to know it is there.

[glitteryunicorn]

I really just wanted to know what Religious people thought about half-assed religious people. Damn.

[ThemChains]

I really just wanted to know what Religious people thought about half-assed religious people. Damn.

PL Threads are always more than you bargained for.

[glitteryunicorn]

Yeah that and religion is a touchy subject.

[ThemChains]

Yeah that and religion is a touchy subject.

That never made sense to me, believe what you believe, and leave others to find their own way. There is nothing wrong with spreading and sharing ideas, but trying to impose a system on someone else is never a way to win them over. People shouldn't be so easily offended by the fact that someone does not agree with their view on how to live, and where they are headed after they are done living.

[glitteryunicorn]

That never made sense to me, believe what you believe, and leave others to find their own way. There is nothing wrong with spreading and sharing ideas, but trying to impose a system on someone else is never a way to win them over. People shouldn't be so easily offended by the fact that someone does not agree with their view on how to live, and where they are headed after they are done living.

Agreed... Kind of like when Vegans try to turn everyone else Vegan? Not cool!

[daniel.e]

I'm not really into religion at all.

[4N6 science]

That's a very fine thing for one to accept, if they so choose. I don't think we all have some grand purpose. If you recall above I said I am a very small part in the universe. Finite, miniscule, essentially meaningless. Does that mean I shouldn't live my life to the best of my ability? I'm not going to change the world? But what if I can change the lives of those around me? I'm not going to shove my beliefs in anyone's face, and I'm not telling you to immediately drop to your knees and show God your appreciation, it's just that things in my life have worked out in such puzzle piece like fashion that it is hard to deny that something has been laid out for me.



Most all religions say the same thing, only in a different way. They all lead to the same end, only on different paths.

I agree.. I mean somethings in my life have worked out perfectly like puzzle pieces and others have not. Some aspects its as if you're trying to put two wrong pieces together when you know they don't fit.

Has it occurred to anyone that I could be playing devil's advocate for the sake of discussion? And the answer to the question is, God communicates to us through more than mere words. If we are all a part of God, then all parts of us are also God. We do not have to speak to it to know it is there.

It occurred to me. I'm sure how I feel like we're all apart of God. It's just a tricky subject and everyone will believe what they want as long as it makes that happy. I think that's the key to everything. The trouble comes in where outsiders try and force their beliefs on others thinking they're on a mission for God or whatever. People need to just worry about themselves, everyone will find happiness their own way.

PL Threads are always more than you bargained for.

Indeed they are for better or worse.. I think this one is for the better.

[4N6 science]

That never made sense to me, believe what you believe, and leave others to find their own way. There is nothing wrong with spreading and sharing ideas, but trying to impose a system on someone else is never a way to win them over. People shouldn't be so easily offended by the fact that someone does not agree with their view on how to live, and where they are headed after they are done living.

Yeah I said the same thing essentially.

In theory people should not be offended by how others live their lives, yet somehow some people are greatly offended when you don't live the way they do.

[argg_xo]

i thought the thread title was half-ass Christmas. :shrug: didn't bother reading it to see of anyone else got excited for christmas in july.

[4N6 science]

i thought the thread title was half-ass Christmas. :shrug: didn't bother reading it to see of anyone else got excited for christmas in july.

ohhh chelsea you just crack me up sometimes.. I <3 you soo much..

[argg_xo]

ohhh chelsea you just crack me up sometimes.. I <3 you soo much..

haha. thanks jon, i'm glad someone appreciates me. and tomorrow is christmas in july, since its the 25th of july and christmas is the 25th of december, i'm using this as an excuse to go shopping tomorrow and buy a buttload of stuff that i really don't need.

[4N6 science]

haha. thanks jon, i'm glad someone appreciates me. and tomorrow is christmas in july, since its the 25th of july and christmas is the 25th of december, i'm using this as an excuse to go shopping tomorrow and buy a buttload of stuff that i really don't need.

oh shit I didn't know you celebrated that I didn't get you a present.


what you just described is the American dream..

[argg_xo]

oh shit I didn't know you celebrated that I didn't get you a present.


what you just described is the American dream..

that's just my logical excuse for buying a new purse tomorrow....maybe.

[4N6 science]

that's just my logical excuse for buying a new purse tomorrow....maybe.


betsy Johnson?

[argg_xo]

betsy Johnson?

oh you know me too well. ;-)

[4N6 science]

oh you know me too well. ;-)

just a tad.. I pay attention.

[argg_xo]

just a tad.. I pay attention.

that's bonus points in my book.

[4N6 science]

that's bonus points in my book.

excellent.. how many did I get, so I can pay attention more?

[argg_xo]

excellent.. how many did I get, so I can pay attention more?

+10 for now.

[4N6 science]

+10 for now.

what do you mean for now, are you going to take them away if I screw up?

[argg_xo]

what do you mean for now, are you going to take them away if I screw up?

i had intentions of adding to them but if you think you're gonna screw up............

[4N6 science]

i had intentions of adding to them but if you think you're gonna screw up............

NOOOOOOOOOOOO I won't screw up.. I need to stop being so negative..

[argg_xo]

NOOOOOOOOOOOO I won't screw up.. I need to stop being so negative..

yeah ya do! and take off your cranky pants.

[4N6 science]

yeah ya do! and take off your cranky pants.

I'm trying...it's hard for me sometimes. I don't do it purposefully.

[argg_xo]

I'm trying...it's hard for me sometimes. I don't do it purposefully.

just look at your glittery card and think of puppies and kittens and rainbows and sunshiney days and fields filled with puppies and kittens and unicorns. and then you'll feel a little bit better.

[4N6 science]

just look at your glittery card and think of puppies and kittens and rainbows and sunshiney days and fields filled with puppies and kittens and unicorns. and then you'll feel a little bit better.

ok I will remember each and everyone of those creatures!

[argg_xo]

ok I will remember each and everyone of those creatures!

puppies, kittens and unicorns. it's not that hard jon!

[4N6 science]

puppies, kittens and unicorns. it's not that hard jon!

hey I have a lot to remember!!

[argg_xo]

hey I have a lot to remember!!

just think of cute fuzzy animals.

[4N6 science]

just think of cute fuzzy animals.

but how does a unicorn fit into that?

[argg_xo]

but how does a unicorn fit into that?

because its a unicorn and its all mystical and magical and badass.

[4N6 science]

because its a unicorn and its all mystical and magical and badass.

that's going in the sig..

[argg_xo]

that's going in the sig..

awesome!

[4N6 science]

awesome!

done and done..

[argg_xo]

done and done..

haha! it looks good! i always tell my friends i'm going to get a unicorn tattooed on me.

[4N6 science]

haha! it looks good! i always tell my friends i'm going to get a unicorn tattooed on me.

are you?? annnd will it be in a special place?

[argg_xo]

are you?? annnd will it be in a special place?

i'm too cheap to actually get a sweet tattoo. i have one little one and i'm fine with that. and if i got one i'd want an awesome chest piece that i'll regret a few years later.

[4N6 science]

i'm too cheap to actually get a sweet tattoo. i have one little one and i'm fine with that. and if i got one i'd want an awesome chest piece that i'll regret a few years later.

yeah my parents would kill me if i got one.. what kind do you have

the bold made me lol.

[brentkid]

My best friend does this. It annoys the shit out of me.

[argg_xo]

yeah my parents would kill me if i got one.. what kind do you have

the bold made me lol.

i have a little diamond behind my right ear. you can't see it unless i pull my hair back.

[4N6 science]

i have a little diamond behind my right ear. you can't see it unless i pull my hair back.

oo very nice..

I've seen a girl at my school who has a sunflower behind her ear..

[argg_xo]

oo very nice..

I've seen a girl at my school who has a sunflower behind her ear..

sunflowers make me think of hillbillies, probably because my grandma has a bunch of them. lol.

[4N6 science]

sunflowers make me think of hillbillies, probably because my grandma has a bunch of them. lol.

aren't you a hillbilly?

[glitteryunicorn]

My best friend does this. It annoys the shit out of me.
Are you talking about half-assing it? That is the reason I made this thread - because my best friend just decided she's going to start going to Church! She's "always" been Christian, like was raised that way but imo she never did anything to say she was a Christian. She confuses me sometimes :(

And Jon and Chelsae (is it?). I never minded 1:1 convo but wow, almost two pages of it - get on AIM or something. You're way off topic! Hahaha

[4N6 science]

Are you talking about half-assing it? That is the reason I made this thread - because my best friend just decided she's going to start going to Church! She's "always" been Christian, like was raised that way but imo she never did anything to say she was a Christian. She confuses me sometimes :(

And Jon and Chelsae (is it?). I never minded 1:1 convo but wow, almost two pages of it - get on AIM or something. You're way off topic! Hahaha

*chelsea
yes... we do talk on AIM already.. yeah I have a problem of hijacking threads.. I did good though, I posted like 10 times on topic.

[glitteryunicorn]

Sorry, I blame firefox for spelling her name wrong - I thought it was just capitalizing it but instead it spelled it all weird.

[4N6 science]

its ok.. lets get back on topic..

[brentkid]

Are you talking about half-assing it? That is the reason I made this thread - because my best friend just decided she's going to start going to Church! She's "always" been Christian, like was raised that way but imo she never did anything to say she was a Christian. She confuses me sometimes :(

And Jon and Chelsae (is it?). I never minded 1:1 convo but wow, almost two pages of it - get on AIM or something. You're way off topic! Hahaha
Yeah, he claims he's this religious guy despite getting hammered on weekends and having sex as often as possible.

[glitteryunicorn]

its ok.. lets get back on topic..
Please!

Yeah, he claims he's this religious guy despite getting hammered on weekends and having sex as often as possible. Tell him God doesn't love him.

[4N6 science]

Please!

Tell him God doesn't love him.


better yet tell him God doesn't exist

[glitteryunicorn]

http://i25.tinypic.com/15yi2pw.jpg

[4N6 science]

oo satan...

[glitteryunicorn]

As much as I love all the Anti-God stuff, I think its kind of hypocritical to believe in Satan but not God.

[4N6 science]

I don't believe in satan..

[#WhiteFender#]

i cannot stand half assed religious people. if you're gonna tell someone that you believe something, then you better live it out and show it in your lifestyle.

[4N6 science]

i think its a common theme most people don't like the half-assed believers..

[glitteryunicorn]

I don't believe in satan..
I wasn't saying you did, I was just saying in general!

[4N6 science]

I wasn't saying you did, I was just saying in general!

I didn't mean to say it like you weren't I just was just throwing it out there.

[argg_xo]

aren't you a hillbilly?

only on my dad's side of the family!

[4N6 science]

only on my dad's side of the family!

we got yelled at for going two pages off topic


sorry I meant to say 1/2 hillbilly

[argg_xo]

we got yelled at for going two pages off topic


sorry I meant to say 1/2 hillbilly

OOOOH NOEZ! off topic in the PL forum? i've never heard of such a thing!

[4N6 science]

OOOOH NOEZ! off topic in the PL forum? i've never heard of such a thing!

lol do you believe in God?

[nivek87]

I'm trying to make this short as possible and not ramble like I tend to do, but by half-ass Christians I mean, people who are all about "God", go to Church and make being Christian(or whatever else) a big thing in their life but then they go and do "sins" like have sex before marriage, etc etc stuff like that.

I think that having sex before marriage shouldn't be a sin, but I'm also not religious. I just don't see how people can accept everything else "God" has to say and what not, but ignore the "key" parts.

Religious people, your thoughts?


Just a few thoughts. Sorry if its a little preachy, but you say "then they go and do "sins." I don't know how much you know about Christianity, but in short the reason God sent His begotten Son, Jesus Christ was because everyone lives in sin and He was sinless and died on the cross for our sins. There really isn't such thing as a Christian who doesn't sin. It was said thou shall not commit adultery, however Jesus said looking/lusting over another woman is adulteress. No one can really say, they haven't checked out another female or male while in a relationship before and so on for several other examples. However, since everyone sins, even Christians, belief in Christ saves since He lived without sin.

[argg_xo]

lol do you believe in God?

i wasn't raised in a religious house or anything. the only time i went to church was with my friend and we made burning bushes out of play doh during sunday school. but i do like to believe there is something up there maybe watching after us.

[4N6 science]

i wasn't raised in a religious house or anything. the only time i went to church was with my friend and we made burning bushes out of play doh during sunday school. but i do like to believe there is something up there maybe watching after us.

that's cool I was just asking... I'm agnostic after being raised roman catholic.

[glitteryunicorn]

I just read "People who are antireligious see religions as inherently dangerous, destructive, divisive, foolish, or irrational."

[4N6 science]

I just read "People who are antireligious see religions as inherently dangerous, destructive, divisive, foolish, or irrational."

that is very true. look at the fundamentalist muslims who kill in the name of allah.

[Duexy]

no

[TheSkyline]

What are peoples opinions on people who half-ass religion?

I'm trying to make this short as possible and not ramble like I tend to do, but by half-ass Christians I mean, people who are all about "God", go to Church and make being Christian(or whatever else) a big thing in their life but then they go and do "sins" like have sex before marriage, etc etc stuff like that.

I think that having sex before marriage shouldn't be a sin, but I'm also not religious. I just don't see how people can accept everything else "God" has to say and what not, but ignore the "key" parts.

Religious people, your thoughts?

//I don't know if this is the right forum to post in, but being religious is a "personal life" sort of thing, right?

I hate it, that's why even though I'm a confirmed catholic, if anyone asks I'm agnostic.
Because lets face it, why wait until marriage? haha
But seriously, I just don't agree with almost anything from any religion out there, I believe there's something out there, I just choose not to decide what it is.
If your gonna be a christian, BE A CHRISTIAN.

[glitteryunicorn]

http://www.explosm.net/db/files/Comics/Rob/christians.png

[pilot_light_out]

Christians with only one butt cheek piss me off too.

[mynameisX]

Christians with only one butt cheek piss me off too.


Haha, lol.

[swt_catastrophe]

That's why I stopped going to church. That and the safety of everyone else, I don't want them to get caught in the flames.
this made me laugh :]
Search outside the realms of established, orthodox churches. If God is who Christian leaders and Christian beliefs would like me to think he is, it is no God I would want to live under.
i think most people don't have an accurate description of God..
let's say we're talking about the Christian, Biblical God,
most churches screw it up
and most supposed "christians" are nothing more than hypocritical..
which is definitely the way to get people to go along with you... NOT.

no
this thread is so complex..
and you respond "no"
hah.
Christians with only one butt cheek piss me off too.
err...?

[Nick Le]

Religious is not the word I would use to describe it.


Hmmm...I am not sure that God has even revealed itself in my life. My faith is on very shaky ground, but I do know that I have a spiritual connection with the creator of this entire universe of which I am a very small part. That connection, as well as the connection between other humans and myself, the perfection with which all parts of the human body work together, the way that nature has an uncanny way of working for itself, is all too perfect to have just happened.

Samee here.

[Nick Le]

there can if you're polytheistic!

i lol'd

[Fallinto_rhythm]

I went to Catholic school for ten years, and grew up in your typical Catholic Italian Brooklyn family. I'm not a holy roller of any sort, but I have a lot of respect. The Catholic church is filled with half ass people, and it seems to be probably the worst out of all the Christian church's

[Mskillet90]

Hypocrites are the worst examples in the Christian faith. Can't stand 'em. I agree completely with nivek's post.

[WordsAreFrail]

I think alot of christians fall into the religion of their "beliefs", and become.. ignorant of their own truth.

[tomakebelieve]

I grew up in an overly religious family. I went to lutheran school until I went to high school, I was confirmed, my Uncle is the President of our church synod, my whole family is full of pastors/women who married pastors, other influential religious people.... and I grew up in all of that chaos. Needless to say, I was very Christian until I was "corrupted" but since I've been away from the church I've learned a lot.

A lot of religious people can be hypocrticial when they begin to do things just for appearance and also think they are better than everyone. In the bible it specifically says we cannot judge. Yet there is so much judging in some churches. I hate it.

But I also hate not believing. I can honestly say that being an atheist was terrible for me, and that I definitely do feel better when I am a "christian" - I just haven't found a church that isn't too much like the one I grew up in which is full of corruption, hate and people who judge.

[bobby runs]

im catholic and what ive learned is that god loves me no matter what i do. so ha!

[demora]

im catholic and what ive learned is that god loves me no matter what i do. so ha!

hah thats what i've learned too. but then whats the point of "repenting" for my sins? why should i worry about going to hell?

[andrew4045]

I'm not very spiritual.. I'm a scientist and I like to learn and live by seeking the truth that way.. not religion.

21 year old scientist eh? :appl:

[theguy77]

perceptions on the strictness and boundaries of a religion are subjective. i am a christian because i believe in God and that Jesus wasn't a liar or a nutcase but i dont adhere to a lot of the viewpoints of several orthodox christian communions.

[theguy77]

The people who actually follow the Bible, Quran and Torah word for word are much much worse.

this.

[4N6 science]

21 year old scientist eh? :appl:

I just woke up this morning and I can't tell whether you're being serious or very sarcastic.

[llwilliamsll]

You gotta make your own faith

[Biliard]

Jesus said that the two greatest commandments were to love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind and soul. The second was to love your neighbor as yourself. These are what Jesus said is most important in the entire Bible and are what I try to live my life by.

[writeacliche]

I think you're going to find hypocrites in every facet of life, not just in Christianity or other religions.

I'm a Christian, yeah, and I struggle with things everyday. But we all do. It's the constant fight that strengthens your faith. It's knowing that there's more to this life than just you, me, and the rest of our perceptive existence.

I probably sound like a douchebag but my faith in God is what lets me sleep alright at night.

Yeah, I know, it probably sounds like religion is my "security blanket". It's not. I accept the crap in my life and I don't use it to resent God, I use it to get stronger and maybe learn a thing or two. So when things are going nice I can really savor and appreciate it all 'cause my faith has gotten me through the tough times.

I grew up in a military family and our faith wasn't always in the forefront and alot of the time blatantly ignored. Sometimes life is just "too fast" to have faith. You gotta do what you want when you want it and then do it all again. I've been there. I indulged in the self and I know how that feels. But I also know what it feels like to be close to God. It sounds ridiculous to non religious people but...it's just a feeling. It's the feeling that everything is going to be alright because that's just how it's going to be.

I don't know, I rambled. I ramble alot.

/abruptpostend

[Mskillet90]

^Both above posts QFT.

[cscwell107]

Everyone makes mistakes and god forgives you for those mistakes as long as you ask him and mean it.

[The Boathouse]

I belong to the church of rock 'n roll, and that's all I need.

[HelpMeSleep]

I don't like those people that much.. hypocrits, nothing gets me more heated than those people.
I hate hypocrites.

On another note, I don't go to church at all and I'm really not remotely religious so I can do whatever I want without having to worry about being called a religious hypocrite. :-)

[4N6 science]

I hate hypocrites.

On another note, I don't go to church at all and I'm really not remotely religious so I can do whatever I want without having to worry about being called a religious hypocrite. :-)

yes you can do whatever you want. I'm not very religious at this moment either, so we're both on the same page.

[Yes. And?]

As long as you don't go imposing your morality on other people, I don't really care whether you practice what you preach or not.

[smithariko]

my family belongs to a catholic church. it's probably full of the most half assed people i know, but my parents won't let me leave.

:-(

[loj]

I really just wanted to know what Religious people thought about half-assed religious people. Damn.

i'll actually answer for you.

honestly, i don't get irritated. sure, i did when i was a bit younger, but i believe i've grown up a bit since then.
most people who "half-ass" religion have the following mindset: "There's OBVIOUSLY a God, duh, and he loves me and stuff no matter what i do..." or something damn close to that quote. I truthfully feel bad for these folk. they have the right idea: yes, there is a Good God who loves them! but they never take time to sit down and earnestly think about the big picture...

...that being that if this whole Jesus thing is really true, then He deserves their entire life. I suppose i'd rather meet someone who told me they thoroughly investigated the claims of Christ and his disciples yet still decided He was false than someone who dilly-dallies along the line of agnosticism and true faith with their heads in the clouds.

I myself, like many others, arrived at the same decision that CS Lewis once did: once you decide that there's no way our 14 billion year old universe just stumbled out of nowhere, there is no ignoring the claims of Christ.



Peace.

[kidcaps]

Yeah, religion is such a double standard in general, well the way most people practice it is.

[travisjeffery]

most christians are probably all half-ass since their religion's been disproved.

[Angylion Gefell]

most christians are probably all half-ass since their religion's been disproved.

I was going to post "in before an incredible amount of ignorance", but I can't now.

Anyway, I say that you should follow what you believe to the letter and the spirit. If you compromise your beliefs, or what you say you believe, you're a hypocrite asshole. If you don't, way to go. I'm not Christian, or any other religion, but I have morals that I follow.

[Regards]

this made me laugh :]

i think most people don't have an accurate description of God..
let's say we're talking about the Christian, Biblical God,
most churches screw it up
and most supposed "christians" are nothing more than hypocritical..
which is definitely the way to get people to go along with you... NOT.


this thread is so complex..
and you respond "no"
hah.

err...?
This.
most christians are probably all half-ass since their religion's been disproved.
Hahahaha. Care to go on with this?

[TeachBirds2Fly]

most christians are probably all half-ass since their religion's been disproved.



Hahahaha. Care to go on with this?

Christianity:

The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

[Regards]

Christianity:

The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...
Oh, cool, you've sucsessfully avoided any real answer. Well done. :appl:

[TeachBirds2Fly]

Oh, cool, you've sucsessfully avoided any real answer. Well done. :appl:

I think that is a fine answer, and it's taken off some website so it must be true.

I'm not going to argue with religion because it's people's faith not fact so you cannot disprove it because it's all in their head. If you want to believe in some cosmic-zombie, telepathic forces and talking snakes on you go...

[Regards]

I think that is a fine answer, and it's taken off some website so it must be true.

I'm not going to argue with religion because it's people's faith not fact so you cannot disprove it because it's all in their head. If you want to believe in some cosmic-zombie, telepathic forces and talking snakes on you go...
Argueing religion over the internet never results in anything great, however its unfortunate that you have such a narrow-minded perception on it.

[sammyboy516]

Religious people are still people. they make mistakes.

[TeachBirds2Fly]

In all honestly I find religion a bit of an embarrassment to humanity. Just all the hate and preaching, the defiance of logic and science and all the hierarchy that is created; like the priests and the bishops and the pope and so on... all dressing up in their robes and funny hats and one is more 'holy' than the other. And I just think 'what are you doing?'

[Biliard]

In all honestly I find religion a bit of an embarrassment to humanity. Just all the hate and preaching, the defiance of logic and science and all the hierarchy that is created; like the priests and the bishops and the pope and so on... all dressing up in their robes and funny hats and one is more 'holy' than the other. And I just think 'what are you doing?'



May I inquire as to your religious views?

[John JD Dorian]

accepting religion and being perfect are not the same thing.

one can believe in and worship god, yet still be a sinner. basically, within one's religious life, there is an exact point where they have moral dilemmas, everything behind that is in the bag, everything in front of that is still way out of reach, sort of like a line of scrimmage.

a serial killer's choice may be to just steal, instead of stealing and killing, while someone else's decisions might be whether to use profanity.

whatever one believes, actions can't match that overnight. the only hypocrites are those who judge others for their 'sins'.

[John JD Dorian]

In all honestly I find religion a bit of an embarrassment to humanity. Just all the hate and preaching, the defiance of logic and science and all the hierarchy that is created; like the priests and the bishops and the pope and so on... all dressing up in their robes and funny hats and one is more 'holy' than the other. And I just think 'what are you doing?'



religion and science do not contradict.

[TeachBirds2Fly]

May I inquire as to your religious views?

yeah used to be agnostic...now atheist

The belief in a God or power - I can understand why people would believe, it is comforting and explains the universe in a simple way, I can accept and respect that.

It is all the crap that gets added by religion that I find a bit annoying, the stuff that has just accumulated over thousands of years and no one really knows why. And when you look at it objectively it just seems insane

[TeachBirds2Fly]

religion and science do not contradict.

The scientific evidence of evolution and the earth forming over billions of years

The religous belief that it was all created in 6 days.

[Cure4commoncold]

Religion = Man's part. The sects the denominations, the crusades, everything of that nature. By nature man is NOT good whether you're religious or not. I love how everyone says religion caused all these terrible events to happen in history like the WTC. Who is to say the people doing these things wouldn't have found another reason to do them if religion didn't exist? Hate exists in man whether it's fueled by religion or not. You can't pin down these events purely on religion. Man is fallible so things man has done God can't be held accountable for those things. There's evil in the world because without it there'd be no good, there'd be no choice, there'd be no free will. The idea of a "Clockmaker God" or Deism is the most plausible idea out there today. Evolution is not as plausible as everyone makes it out to be I started Origin of Species when I was in 6th grade and kept reading and reading (I was in a Christian school my whole life.) I've searched out the supposed "evidence" they have for evolution and it's just not there. Oh yeah and if religion is an embarrassment to humanity, who are we being embarrassed in front of? The idea of a god in any form or in any of the religions has given many people hope and a point to live. That's commendable in itself and I think that outweighs the cons.

[Cure4commoncold]

The scientific evidence of evolution and the earth forming over billions of years

The religous belief that it was all created in 6 days.

Don't be a literalist when interpreting a book in the Bible that wasn't meant to be interpreted literally.

[Biliard]

yeah used to be agnostic...now atheist

The belief in a God or power - I can understand why people would believe, it is comforting and explains the universe in a simple way, I can accept and respect that.

It is all the crap that gets added by religion that I find a bit annoying, the stuff that has just accumulated over thousands of years and no one really knows why. And when you look at it objectively it just seems insane

I will agree with the fact that organized religion has gotten away from the intent of religion in the first place. That cannot be blamed on religion, though. Man corrupts everything.

[TeachBirds2Fly]

Don't be a literalist when interpreting a book in the Bible that wasn't meant to be interpreted literally.

I know...but people do from the religous point, but fair enough.

Okay to be honest I am not sure as I am not religous, but it seems that the church just redifines its possition every few decades because of science. I don't know how much they accept and what they still reject and if they keep doing this surely it would be logical to assume that religion is just occupying the places that science has not answered yet.

[Biliard]

I know...but people do from the religous point, but fair enough.

Okay to be honest I am not sure as I am not religous, but it seems that the church just redifines its possition every few decades because of science. I don't know how much they accept and what they still reject and if they keep doing this surely it would be logical to assume that religion is just occupying the places that science has not answered yet.

"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." - Einstein

[Cure4commoncold]

"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." - Einstein

I read his post and thought of that exact quote we must be sharing a brain.

[Biliard]

I read his post and thought of that exact quote we must be sharing a brain.

Kudos on that!

[TeachBirds2Fly]

The idea of a god in any form or in any of the religions has given many people hope and a point to live. That's commendable in itself and I think that outweighs the cons.

I suppose...if you believe false hope is better than none, what is wrong with belief in your self or your fellow humans? Believing in some mythical force that is tending the light at the end of the tunnel, as it were, is more schizphrenic than commendable. I can see your point and maybe in the past Religion had a purpose (e.g. 'tainted pork is killing everyone...let's make it unholy to eat pork' Kings are answerable to God etc...) but I just don;t see it being worthy in 21st Western world

[TeachBirds2Fly]

but then again; moral decay, no values, nothing to believe in etc...these are often the things that come up as being what is wrong with the modern world.

[Biliard]

but then again; moral decay, no values, nothing to believe in etc...these are often the things that come up as being what is wrong with the modern world.

I suppose this why I tend to be turn to God. Not as a comfort tool, but to give a sense of right and wrong. People can develope this without religion, but religion also holds you accountable for your actions.

[TeachBirds2Fly]

I suppose this why I tend to be turn to God. Not as a comfort tool, but to give a sense of right and wrong. People can develope this without religion, but religion also holds you accountable for your actions.

yeah I think religion kinda just developed as a effective tool to teach young people about right and wrong...again with the bible not being taken litteraly. Suppose makes it easier from them to grasp,

But if you had lived on an island all your life and was educated well in everything apart from religion, and then you went to the western world and saw it objectively you would just think it as being how many view Scientology today as being completly insane (please note I am not a scientologist), it's just because for many (not all) religion has been drummed into them all their life, at school, church, home and they do Not think about it objectively or rationaly.

[Post-me]

But I also hate not believing. I can honestly say that being an atheist was terrible for me, and that I definitely do feel better when I am a "christian" - I just haven't found a church that isn't too much like the one I grew up in which is full of corruption, hate and people who judge.

Why was it terrible to be an atheist while when you're christian, everything tells you how it's wrong(hypocrisy, fake churches etc..) ? Wouldn't it be better to believe in something you create yourself( if you absolutely want to believe in some deity) instead of trying to adapt to some corrupted dogma ?

[Cure4commoncold]

To the people who believe in it, it's not false hope to them. You can call it delusion, schizophrenia, psychosis or whatever you like. I've met people who are just so devoted to Christ that they've honestly had to experience Him in some way. That trust and that faith that I've seen people have the can be going through the hardest of circumstances and instead of doubting God or raising their fist to Him they just keep praying, trusting, and believing. You asked what's wrong with believing in your fellow man? Just look at our society today, these are tough and trying times. People can look to each other and join together sure, but sometimes this just isn't enough for a lot of people they need something more to believe in. People that call religion a "crutch" for the weak people who can't live life without it are fools. If you take away an after-life belief of some sort and you analyze purpose all the way down to the root you reach Nihilism. That's when you go crazy and start to your horse (Nietzsche) or you just take a leap off a building. Religion could even be a part of the psychological evolution of the mind to account for this. I doubt that's the circumstance though.

[Biliard]

yeah I think religion kinda just developed as a effective tool to teach young people about right and wrong...again with the bible not being taken litteraly. Suppose makes it easier from them to grasp,

But if you had lived on an island all your life and was educated well in everything apart from religion, and then you went to the western world and saw it objectively you would just think it as being how many view Scientology today as being completly insane (please note I am not a scientologist), it's just because for many (not all) religion has been drummed into them all their life, at school, church, home and they do Not think about it objectively or rationaly.

I suppose seeing it for the first time it would be a shock and would be hard to wrap your head around. In that sense it is not too different from most sciences.

It is hard to seperate something you believe deeply in from yourself and view it objectively. At this point in my life, I can see it (organized religion) more objectively because I do not suscribe to it and I can see the insanity that has been spawned by religion but again that is not religion's fault, that is man's.

[Willy McFurgle]

I don't like those people that much.. hypocrits, nothing gets me more heated than those people.

I prefer the term Hypochristians. 50% of the people i went to high school with that were "very religious" were the ones doin the crazy shit all through high school, and i'm pretty sure a few became mom's and dads before graduating.

[chronomic]

it's pretty dumb to get upset at someones 'hypocracy' when it doesn't effect you at all. it's like getting mad at someone for the sake of getting mad.

[travisjeffery]

This.

Hahahaha. Care to go on with this?

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com (http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/)
the first section explains it, but basically the whole "Jesus" thing is copied off of the story of the Egyptian sun god, along with a huge list of other religious figures from over the past thousands of years. i just forget what they were. there's a bunch of other stuff in there too, i just forget.

[Kassie09]

I am pretty much everything a Catholic should aspire to be.

[kwsqd]

BIG LOL THERE

lc

[Regards]

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com (http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/)
the first section explains it, but basically the whole "Jesus" thing is copied off of the story of the Egyptian sun god, along with a huge list of other religious figures from over the past thousands of years. i just forget what they were. there's a bunch of other stuff in there too, i just forget.
Zeitgeist's arguement was proven wrong, over and over again

http://singinginthereign.blogspot.com/2007/07/zeitgeist-movie-is-christianity.html

[John JD Dorian]

The scientific evidence of evolution and the earth forming over billions of years

The religous belief that it was all created in 6 days.

you are quite ignorant as to religious belief. i am religious, yet i do not believe the universe was created in 6 days.

have you ever studied biblical commentaries, enabling you to understand the bible in any sense?

[&IllBeTheReason]

It's the opium of the masses. The most religious people are the ones that live harsh lives, they need something to believe in to go on. Personally, I think God was an invisible bar to keep people in line. Its grown to ridiculous proportions but as I think someone said up, man corrupts everything. In the end you just have to find things you believe in, and they don't necasarily have to be in one religion.

But on topic of the thread: I grew up in a palce where people have Virgin Mary statues on their lawns who were aware that thier children were the neighborhood drug dealers. The biggest floozies are the ones who quote the bible on their myspace pages. It used to anger me, but now I just laugh.

[allthruwinter]

This is precisely the reason I stopped going to church in the first place. Because I don't feel like being told what to do, and how to exactly live my life. And I didn't want to be a hypocrite, all of the teenagers that I went to church with were hypocrites and it was depressing to see. I'd rather do what I want, than claim to be something I'm not wholeheartedly involved in. I think those people that are half-assed Christians bring the whole religion down. Of course, the point of being a Christian is that nobody's perfect and everyone sins, but when you intentionally get shitfaced, when you intentionally fuck everything in sight and think it's okay to go to church on Sunday, then you're a fake.

[dichotomous]

you are quite ignorant as to religious belief. i am religious, yet i do not believe the universe was created in 6 days.

have you ever studied biblical commentaries, enabling you to understand the bible in any sense?

The bible is so rarely viewed as a text that one can be both abide by and be critical of. People who are so critical of it, are generally just seeking to disprove it. Those who abide by its teachings often seek to claim its undeniable truth. The problem is that those who both believe and possess the wisdom to interpret the bible (and not just be bound by it) are a very small minority indeed. The bible is very much like that law, in the sense that it was written with concrete words but needs to be interpreted and amended to fit the changing times.

[tomakebelieve]

Why was it terrible to be an atheist while when you're christian, everything tells you how it's wrong(hypocrisy, fake churches etc..) ? Wouldn't it be better to believe in something you create yourself( if you absolutely want to believe in some deity) instead of trying to adapt to some corrupted dogma ?

When you find the right church, it just feels right--i don't know how else to explain it. Not all Christians are fake, hypocritical and judging. There are some good hearted people out there who are Christian. Sometimes its just easier to find corruption and hate, since you can find that in anything -- at your job, in poor relationships, in politics, etc etc.

[John JD Dorian]

The bible is so rarely viewed as a text that one can be both abide by and be critical of. People who are so critical of it, are generally just seeking to disprove it. Those who abide by its teachings often seek to claim its undeniable truth. The problem is that those who both believe and possess the wisdom to interpret the bible (and not just be bound by it) are a very small minority indeed. The bible is very much like that law, in the sense that it was written with concrete words but needs to be interpreted and amended to fit the changing times.

very well put.

[eHaMpToN]

i am a eucharistic minister at my high school. :-)

[Mskillet90]

most christians are probably all half-ass since their religion's been disproved.

Nominated for the funniest, most ignorant post of the year.

[TeachBirds2Fly]

I suppose seeing it for the first time it would be a shock and would be hard to wrap your head around. In that sense it is not too different from most sciences

Science makes the logical progressions based on observation, physical evidence and the controlled and repeated testing of natural phenomena to explain how the world works. I don't think that can compare to the religious views of hardline christians who take their belief straight from the bible, and when you look at religion objectively it really does just make a lot of assumptions where science does not.

[Biliard]

Science makes the logical progressions based on observation, physical evidence and the controlled and repeated testing of natural phenomena to explain how the world works. I don't think that can compare to the religious views of hardline christians who take their belief straight from the bible, and when you look at religion objectively it really does just make a lot of assumptions where science does not.

It was not my intent to compare religion and science. They are two completely different things. I was saying that seeing either (religion or sciences) for the first time would be a shock and hard to comprehend.

[TeachBirds2Fly]

fair enough, I am just argueing for the sake of it now. Really bored in work

[Biliard]

I understand that feeling. What do you for employment?

[TeachBirds2Fly]

I understand that feeling. What do you for employment?

work in Ministerial Support for the scottish government, just like editing reports, web publishing etc.. just until september then it's back to university :-)

what about yourself??

[Biliard]

work in Ministerial Support for the scottish government, just like editing reports, web publishing etc.. just until september then it's back to university :-)

That sounds like a decent job to have while on break from school. What are you studying at uni?

[TeachBirds2Fly]

That sounds like a decent job to have while on break from school. What are you studying at uni?


yeah looks good on the CV, considering most people I know my age are working in shops, bars etc... while at uni. But it is prob easier than their jobs.

I'm studying Politics next year, 3 modules - social movemnts, The european union and the political thought of George Orwell, going into my third year

[Biliard]

yeah looks good on the CV, considering most people I know my age are working in shops, bars etc... while at uni. But it is prob easier than their jobs.

I'm studying Politics next year, 3 modules - social movemnts, The european union and the political thought of George Orwell, going into my third year

It is always good to pad the CV and plan ahead. It also seems like it will play into your studies nicely.

[Angylion Gefell]

Stop giving a fuck about other people's religions. Everyone half-asses some things.

[dichotomous]

Stop giving a fuck about other people's religions. Everyone half-asses some things.

Half-assery is a fine tradition.