Kerry's VP

[yes]

who do u think Kerry will pick as VP, heres an article if u dont know who the choices are so far.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/president/2004-06-12-kerry-vp_x.htm

[Sinister Rouge]

Edwards....

[yes]

Edwards....

i think so too but having a woman VP (hilary clinton) would be cool just b/c she has a vagina and no VP has ever had one of those b4

[cal1082]

i voted Vilsak on the pole a while back and i'll stick with him.

[venus/bacchus]

Edwards (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=578&u=/nm/20040706/pl_nm/campaign_kerry_dc_16)

[cal1082]

should be interesting to see how good of pick this is compared to not picking Gephardt or Vilsak.

[hXc_pwnage]

I'm glad he finally picked.

I think it was obivous Edwards would be selected.

[ohlookitspaul]

he picked edwards! score! thats who i wanted.

[Sinister Rouge]

John Edwards is going to tear apart Dick Cheney, this is a mismatch.

[ohlookitspaul]

dick cheney is a...dick.

[yeat182]

bush will tear apart kerry, so it will even out.

[Justin_stacy]

but having a woman VP (hilary clinton) would be cool just b/c she has a vagina and no VP has ever had one of those b4

I don't know about that...from the reports circulated during the Clinton era....she in fact, might actually, have a penis....

[BrandNew20]

bush will tear apart kerry, so it will even out.

bush's attack team will tear apart kerry in the ads, bush himself will get killed in debates...the man sucks at public speaking. period.

[yeat182]

bush's attack team will tear apart kerry in the ads, bush himself will get killed in debates...the man sucks at public speaking. period.


i'll admit the debates won't be his strong point, but then again, kerry can't take a stand on any issue, so maybe it will even out...again...?

[instantkarma101]

Even though I still wish Edwards was running for president instead of Kerry i'm really REALLY happy that he is running as VP. WOOOOO HOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

[ohlookitspaul]

both sides have their strong and weak points. we'll just have to wait and see.

[davedesloover18]

i'll admit the debates won't be his strong point, but then again, kerry can't take a stand on any issue, so maybe it will even out...again...?
I'm not that big of a Kerry fan, but his open mindedness and willingness to learn or change stances on things has been interpreted as flip flopping by republicans. I think it just shows how flexible and intelligent he is that he realizes now that some things that he voted for maybe weren't the best decision at the time. Learning from mistakes. Something Bush should try sometime.

[BrandNew20]

I'm not that big of a Kerry fan, but his open mindedness and willingness to learn or change stances on things has been interpreted as flip flopping by republicans. I think it just shows how flexible and intelligent he is that he realizes now that some things that he voted for maybe weren't the best decision at the time. Learning from mistakes. Something Bush should try sometime.

The Problem is that Bush never thinks that he is wrong, anyone remember that new conference he did where he said that he was trying to come up with some mistakes that he had made, but couldn't come up with any...lame.

[Sinister Rouge]

The Problem is that Bush never thinks that he is wrong, anyone remember that new conference he did where he said that he was trying to come up with some mistakes that he had made, but couldn't come up with any...lame.

His response to the "what mistakes have you made" question is...you should have given me this question ahead of time...LOL :lol2: :lol2: :lol2: :lol2:

[venus/bacchus]

The Problem is that Bush never thinks that he is wrong, anyone remember that new conference he did where he said that he was trying to come up with some mistakes that he had made, but couldn't come up with any...lame.
Actually his response was "yes, I know I've made countless mistakes. Now, can I name some right here on the spot, probably not."...or something to that effect. And there are millions of people who think the war in Iraq was right, so you can't say that that was a mistake...it's all opinion, and I guarantee Bush thinks it was right, why should he apologize for it?

[ohlookitspaul]

oh lord, arguing over whether or not the war is right or wrong would need a whole other thread...

[igotthemic]

bush's attack team will tear apart kerry in the ads, bush himself will get killed in debates...the man sucks at public speaking. period.
the man sucks at speaking...or anything else for that matter. period.

[ohlookitspaul]

the man sucks at speaking...or anything else for that matter. period.
like holding dogs or riding in segways, hahahaha.

[igotthemic]

like holding dogs or riding in segways, hahahaha.
or eating pretzels...we can't forget that one

[vikingstrike182]

the man sucks at speaking...or anything else for that matter. period.
Yeah, that totally slipped my mind. Not. At least he was a decent enough person to congratulate John Edwards on his nomination and for entering the race, and Dick Cheney called him to say congratulations. What has Kerry done that is so much better than Bush? Nothing to my recollection. Get off the bandwagon. It's old.

[igotthemic]

Get off the bandwagon. It's old.

i don't like bush because I think he's a bad president. i'm not just "jumping on the bandwagon" or whatever. and by saying that i'm on the bandwagon for not liking bush, does that mean that you're just trying to go against what's popular by liking bush?

[vikingstrike182]

No, im not for Bush because most are against. I am for Bush because I agree with his ideologies and what he has done. If you think that he is a bad president for yourself then im sorry I jumped to conclusions.

[ohlookitspaul]

Yeah, that totally slipped my mind. Not. At least he was a decent enough person to congratulate John Edwards on his nomination and for entering the race, and Dick Cheney called him to say congratulations. What has Kerry done that is so much better than Bush? Nothing to my recollection. Get off the bandwagon. It's old.
well its not like kerry could really congratulate cheney (for a "counterargument" to your bush-edwards thing).

"hey dick, congratulations on your nomination. it was unexpected."

[igotthemic]

ok. and i didn't really think that you liked bush because alot of people don't, i was just trying to get you to see my point. but what ideas of bush's do you agree with? (just wondering)

[vikingstrike182]

We are really raiding this topic. If you want to talk drop me a line on AIM or msn or send me a PM.

[yeat182]

the man sucks at speaking...or anything else for that matter. period.

irrelevant.

[cal1082]

For all of you who like Edwards, why do you like him?

I mean personality, accomplishmetns, political ideas, or a combination of some. Explain?

[davedesloover18]

I don't like him, I voted for Kucinich.

[Sinister Rouge]

For all of you who like Edwards, why do you like him?

I mean personality, accomplishmetns, political ideas, or a combination of some. Explain?

all of the above

[hXc_pwnage]

I don't really know much about Edwards. I liked Clark ( except supporting the SOA. ) But Edwards seems like a down-to-earth guy. He will also bring a lot of independent/moderate voters to the democrats, which is good. I should probably look more into him, but I'm lazy right now.

[cal1082]

I don't really know much about Edwards. I liked Clark ( except supporting the SOA. ) But Edwards seems like a down-to-earth guy. He will also bring a lot of independent/moderate voters to the democrats, which is good. I should probably look more into him, but I'm lazy right now.

how is he going to bring independent and moderate voters to the democrats?

[Justin_stacy]

But Edwards seems like a down-to-earth guy. He will also bring a lot of independent/moderate voters to the democrats, which is good. I should probably look more into him, but I'm lazy right now.


You think the fourth liberalist senator, in congress, is going to bring "moderate and independent" voters to the DNC? How do you figure that? I mean, he couldn't even win his own states primary, where he had just spent, I might add, 6 million dollars, of his own money, "buying" his seat....

[hXc_pwnage]

http://www.wilmingtonjournal.com/News/article/article.asp?NewsID=39802&sID=4

Get down to the bottom part of the article. It's just stuff that I've read.

[vikingstrike182]

With this choice the DNP has just turned off more corporation heads for voting for them. With Edwards being a trail lawyer he is the person who is the corporations worst nightmare.

[instantkarma101]

how is he going to bring independent and moderate voters to the democrats?


well, from what i've read in the news, it seems like the South likes Southerners and since the South is mainly republican, Edwards on the ballot may get some southern states for democrats. I don't know if I agree with that, but that's been the buzz.

[Justin_stacy]

http://www.wilmingtonjournal.com/News/article/article.asp?NewsID=39802&sID=4

Get down to the bottom part of the article. It's just stuff that I've read.
i don't know if i'd put any value on a race based "news" service...i mean hell, i'm sure i could find a "white site" out of idaho that says that Edwards is far from the perfect nominee, but would it have much validity?

[vikingstrike182]

well, from what i've read in the news, it seems like the South likes Southerners and since the South is mainly republican, Edwards on the ballot may get some southern states for democrats. I don't know if I agree with that, but that's been the buzz.
They wont. Look at the 2000 election. Al Gore is from Tennessee and they lost the Sotuh. Look at the Clinton runs. They were from Arkansas and Tennessee but they didnt win the South. I dont think it will affect anything.

[Justin_stacy]

They wont. Look at the 2000 election. Al Gore is from Tennessee and they lost the Sotuh. Look at the Clinton runs. They were from Arkansas and Tennessee but they didnt win the South. I dont think it will affect anything.
gore didn't even win his home state...

[hXc_pwnage]

That isn't the only place I read it. That was just one. But whatever, I don't really care.

[vikingstrike182]

Yeah, thats what I was trying to say. I dont think that it will come into play. The Midwest and South should go Republican like they always do. Before the annoucment of Edwards, Bush had an 8 point lead in North Carolina. They are going to have to rely on winning states like Ohio and New Hampshire.

[hXc_pwnage]

But I have read stuff about Edawards helping the Democrats with any chance of winning any state in the south.

But it's probably all biased, you know.

[vikingstrike182]

He might help their chances, but its not going to happen.

[instantkarma101]

gore didn't even win his home state...

Al Gore lost Tennessee because of his views on guns. Bush spent a lot time in Tennessee making sure that the people knew that a vote for Gore was a vote to lose their guns, so that's how Bush won Tennessee. Kerry on the other hand is a hunter himself. From what i've read, a lot of Tennesseeians have the same opinion...They don't like Bush, They don't like Kerry, and they don't like Cheney. They didn't say anything about Edwards but I wouldn't see why they wouldn't like him yet. So I think Tennessee will be a small fight. I still think Bush will win it, but it will be a fight none-the-less. Edwards has emphasized the south in the election and will do most of his campaigning there. They had a big article about it on msn.com. it was called "Kerry can't win Tennessee, but could Bush lose it?"

Also, it said that they are predicting (again could not be true) that Bush will lose a couple of Southern States.


Just my 2 cents.

[hXc_pwnage]

I think he may lose one or two.

[Justin_stacy]

Al Gore lost Tennessee because of his views on guns. Bush spent a lot time in Tennessee making sure that the people knew that a vote for Gore was a vote to lose their guns, so that's how Bush won Tennessee. .

There was more too it then just that, although that is a valid arguement, but the point was more to show that the location of ones home state doesn't mean he can carry that location, when he holds values that are different from the majority of that area....


Also, it said that they are predicting (again could not be true) that Bush will lose a couple of Southern States..

outside of florida, i haven't heard that yet, although i have heard that the southwestern states are still up for grabs, although bush still has a slight lead (in all but NM)...

[instantkarma101]

There was more too it then just that, although that is a valid arguement, but the point was more to show that the location of ones home state doesn't mean he can carry that location, when he holds values that are different from the majority of that area....

I could agree with that

[vikingstrike182]

The morals of the South are in the Republican's hands. It will be hard for such a liberal ticket to make ANY difference.

[open mind]

politicians and morality don't mix no matter how much you want to believe otherwise.

[vikingstrike182]

Ok, maybe beliefs is a better word for you. Have you ever been to a high school and Georgia and listened to some of the things that are said? Or Eastern Kentucky? Even though these are students and cant vote, they are, for the most part, direct offspring of their parents. Dont you think their parents fall under the same line? I see you live in Alaska, a place that voted for Gore in 2000, so I dont think you completly understand the South and what the thought process is here. These are places that dont line up with the liberal platform that is being offered in the 2004 election.

[open mind]

auctually alaska is a strong republican state and bush won this state easily, like texas we've got alot of oil, and we've also got some pretty vital military bases, so i know plenty about places that don't back the democrats platform.

[vikingstrike182]

AH, sorry got Hawaii and Alaska confused. My bad. Hawaii was the state that went for Gore.

[instantkarma101]

http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101040719/nedwards.html?cnn=yes

This is why I like Edwards.

[instantkarma101]

How do you figure that? I mean, he couldn't even win his own states primary, where he had just spent, I might add, 6 million dollars, of his own money, "buying" his seat....


You forgot to mention that the reason he used 6 million of his own money was because he refused to use money from the Political Action Committee, which I find a pretty damn nobel act. And as for your accusation that he bought his seat, that is strictly opinion, and you are pressing it off like fact.

[instantkarma101]

ps. "Edwards won a resounding victory in the primary and survived Faircloth's attacks in the fall, winning 51% of the vote. " Time Magazine

http://www.time.com/time/covers/110...ds.html?cnn=yes


I thought you said he didn't win his state's primary....hmmmmm.

[vikingstrike182]

He might not have lost the primary, but before he had be picked for the VP spot he had withdrawn from the November elections already. He knew he had a shot of not being relected. Why would him being on the VP ticket make any difference?

[instantkarma101]

He withdrew from the November elections to make it clear that he was going to try to run for presidency.

I don't know if your question was literal, or to make a point, but I think its nice to have Edwards on the ticket because he is a product of poverty and public schools. Which is nice compared to the Yale boys (Bush and Kerry). I'm not stateing that this is the reason I would vote for Kerry, but it's a nice change.

[vikingstrike182]

Wouldnt he still stay in a relection race just in case he didnt get the bid from the Democratic party? It would make sense, but he didnt. He withdrew from relection because he knew that if he didnt get support from the DNC on a presidential campaign he had no shot of relection at home.

[instantkarma101]

i guess it all forms into opinion after this because countless articles about Edwards portray him as the type of person who puts everything into what he does. Time said that "he would bet the whole farm on a hunch" and that he "always followed his instints." I personally believe that is why he would take such a risk, to show that this is where he really wants to be. And he did get the bump to run for VP so he can't be so bad...

I can see where you are coming from and where you are getting your idea based on, and I hope you can see where I am coming from as well. We will have to agree to disagree I guess.

[vikingstrike182]

Yea, I see what you are saying and I understand your points. I guess we will just disagree. I dont think he is all that bad. If he was maybe ten years older I would have a different opinion on him.