The Music Forum Essential 90's Albums: Results!

[chipdip18]

Here are the tallied results! Discuss

20.) Oasis - (What's the story?) Morning Glory

19.) The Smashing Pumpkins - Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness

18.) Dr. Dre - The Chronic

17.) Sunny Day Real Estate - Diary

16.) R.E.M. - Automatic For the People

15.) Foo Fighters - The Colour and the Shape

14.) Notorious B.I.G. - Ready to Die

13.) blink-182 - Enema of the State

12.) Fugazi - Repeater

11.) Refused - The Shape of Punk to Come

10.) Wu Tang Clan - Enter the Wu Tang (36 Chambers)

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9.) Weezer - Weezer (The Blue Album)

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8.) Weezer - Pinkerton

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7.) Neutral Milk Hotel - In the Aeroplane Over the Sea

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6.) The Smashing Pumpkins - Siamese Dream

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5.) Jeff Buckley - Grace

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4.) Nas - Illmatic

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3.) Green Day - Dookie

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2.) Radiohead - OK Computer

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1.) Nirvana - Nevermind
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A few fun facts i gathered from the tallying:
- 168 Artists were nominated
- 31 Users gave lists
- 213 Albums were nominated
- Pinkerton beat The Blue Album by 2 points
- Nevermind beat OK Computer by 4 points
- Fugazi had the most albums nominated, which was 5.

[versus_god]

No need to thank me, Fugazi.

[chipdip18]

Haha you put in two others i think that weren't listed.

[Nevuk]

Probably the best list so far, although it still has some stupid shit on it.

[chipdip18]

I don't understand how NMH got so high, i mean we all love it and it has lasting value, but popularity at the time and influence? i don't know.

[x togepi x]

i'm glad to have my suspicion that people on AP.net don't actually listen to music confirmed by this horrible list.

[Brokenhill]

I can't believe both of the Weezer albums beat out Mellon Collie...

[chipdip18]

Yeah, it was a bit sad. Although i think its funny that Pinkerton beat The Blue Album by so little because there seems to be such a heated debate between which album is better.

[x togepi x]

I can't believe both of the Weezer albums beat out Mellon Collie...

Are you kidding me?

I can't believe that piece of shit band got two fucking albums on this list. Weezer at least deserves to be there.

[liar23]

pretty good list

[x togepi x]

where's the lifetime? You know, like every "pop punk" band everyone likes on this site wasn't influenced by them? Oh, did hardcore not exist in the 90s? Who would have known that?


i will say, I'm surprised that third eye blind didn't make the number 1 spot like i thought it would.

[Brokenhill]

Are you kidding me?

I can't believe that piece of shit band got two fucking albums on this list. Weezer at least deserves to be there.


They both deserve it, but TSP ahead of Weezer.

[chipdip18]

where's the lifetime? You know, like every "pop punk" band everyone likes on this site wasn't influenced by them? Oh, did hardcore not exist in the 90s? Who would have known that?


i will say, I'm surprised that third eye blind didn't make the number 1 spot like i thought it would.


Lifetime may have been able to crack the top 20 if it wasn't split on two albums.

[El_Jeffe]

not even sure where to start haha, really not a fan of the majority there, but that's just me. can't believe the likes of bela fleck & the flecktones, the skatalites, nick cave & the bad seeds & lauryn hill missed out

was also expecting to see pearl jam's ten. thought that got a heap of votes?

[chipdip18]

not even sure where to start haha, really not a fan of the majority there, but that's just me. can't believe the likes of bela fleck & the flecktones, the skatalites, nick cave & the bad seeds & lauryn hill missed out

was also expecting to see pearl jam's ten. thought that got a heap of votes?

I believe it was number 21 or 22 haha. Nick Cave and Lauryn Hill got a surprisingly high amounts of votes actually.

[x togepi x]

They both deserve it, but TSP ahead of Weezer.

No, they don't. One album tops. They're not really influential in the least. i mean i can see why you like them, they're the TREOS of the 90s: overhyped, mediocre bullshit.

Lifetime may have been able to crack the top 20 if it wasn't split on two albums.

that shit's fucked though, but i guess once again, this list basically for trendhoppers.

[El_Jeffe]

I believe it was number 21 or 22 haha. Nick Cave and Lauryn Hill got a surprisingly high amounts of votes actually.

it's at a minimum, better than nirvana haha. but i'm not going to rehash that argument all over again

surprising? those artists rule haha & did have an impact. on what scale exactly, depends really. but seriously, any list without bela fleck & the flecktones is very very narrow minded. other than crowded house, they were the first band that came to mind when i saw the original thread

[Brokenhill]

No, they don't. One album tops. They're not really influential in the least. i mean i can see why you like them, they're the TREOS of the 90s: overhyped, mediocre bullshit.



that shit's fucked though, but i guess once again, this list basically for trendhoppers.

TREOS of the 90's? Pretty far from. And yea i'm fine with 1 album...Mellon Collie taking Siamese Dream's spot.

They're not super influential, but that doesn't mean they're not essential. They did something different, and the band members are talented at what they play/do.

[chipdip18]

it's at a minimum, better than nirvana haha. but i'm not going to rehash that argument all over again

surprising? those artists rule haha & did have an impact. on what scale exactly, depends really. but seriously, any list without bela fleck & the flecktones is very very narrow minded. other than crowded house, they were the first band that came to mind when i saw the original thread

Haha surprisingly high for this forum. And i checked, and there were actually about four albums between Ten and the top twenty.

[Brokenhill]

it's at a minimum, better than nirvana haha. but i'm not going to rehash that argument all over again

surprising? those artists rule haha & did have an impact. on what scale exactly, depends really. but seriously, any list without bela fleck & the flecktones is very very narrow minded. other than crowded house, they were the first band that came to mind when i saw the original thread

I like Pearl Jam more than Nirvana too, but as far as "essential" goes, Nirvana kind of started the whole shibang.

When people think of "generation x" or whatever, that's what they think of.

[x togepi x]

TREOS of the 90's? Pretty far from. And yea i'm fine with 1 album...Mellon Collie taking Siamese Dream's spot.

They're not super influential, but that doesn't mean they're not essential. They did something different, and the band members are talented at what they play/do.

Yes, TREOS of the 90s: a band that got way too much hype/popularity for putting out mediocre music that was only slightly different from what's being put out. You think they should make this list because you like them. Big surprise.

If you're going to make a list of "essential" albums of the 90s, and limit it to 20, then every album on the list should be super influential because it warrants excluding tons of bands. If your band didn't really have that big of an influence, you shouldn't make this list.

[x togepi x]

I like Pearl Jam more than Nirvana too, but as far as "essential" goes, Nirvana kind of started the whole shibang.

When people think of "generation x" or whatever, that's what they think of.

this is also a ridiculous statement. PJ deserves to make this list as well as they are ripped off by "alternative rock" bands just as much than Nirvana. Just look at Creed.

[Brokenhill]

Yes, TREOS of the 90s: a band that got way too much hype/popularity for putting out mediocre music that was only slightly different from what's being put out. You think they should make this list because you like them. Big surprise.

If you're going to make a list of "essential" albums of the 90s, and limit it to 20, then every album on the list should be super influential because it warrants excluding tons of bands. If your band didn't really have that big of an influence, you shouldn't make this list.

I don't really like Nirvana, yet I put them at my #1.

My list was just made of albums I was at least somewhat familiar with...i'm not going to put up SOnic Youth or Lifetime, when i've barely (if ever) listened to them.

[chipdip18]

Yes, TREOS of the 90s: a band that got way too much hype/popularity for putting out mediocre music that was only slightly different from what's being put out. You think they should make this list because you like them. Big surprise.

If you're going to make a list of "essential" albums of the 90s, and limit it to 20, then every album on the list should be super influential because it warrants excluding tons of bands. If your band didn't really have that big of an influence, you shouldn't make this list.


Part of the reason of why i added the "fun facts" is so people could realize that only 20 out of 168 albums were nominated from the whole decade of the 90's.

[x togepi x]

I don't really like Nirvana, yet I put them at my #1.

My list was just made of albums I was at least somewhat familiar with...i'm not going to put up SOnic Youth or Lifetime, when i've barely (if ever) listened to them.

Of course you won't, you don't really know anything about music, so you have no business making a list of essential albums.

[chipdip18]

Zing!

[Brokenhill]

this is also a ridiculous statement. PJ deserves to make this list as well as they are ripped off by "alternative rock" bands just as much than Nirvana. Just look at Creed.

I never said they didn't deserve to make the list. I wanted to see them on it.

I just pointed out Nirvana were the huge ones.

[x togepi x]

Part of the reason of why i added the "fun facts" is so people could realize that only 20 out of 168 albums were nominated from the whole decade of the 90's.

well it's just weird that, from looking at this list, you'd basically assume that nothing really all that heavy came out in the 90s, or that radio ska wasn't at its peak in popularity, or that nirvana was the only grunge band.

[x togepi x]

I never said they didn't deserve to make the list. I wanted to see them on it.

I just pointed out Nirvana were the huge ones.

this is not a response to what i just said.

[Brokenhill]

Of course you won't, you don't really know anything about music, so you have no business making a list of essential albums.


Lol I know enough.

[chipdip18]

well it's just weird that, from looking at this list, you'd basically assume that nothing really all that heavy came out in the 90s, or that radio ska wasn't at its peak in popularity, or that nirvana was the only grunge band.

Haha if we had a perfect music forum.

[x togepi x]

Lol I know enough.

Obviously not if you think the smashing pumpkins should be above weezer on this list.

[x togepi x]

Haha if we had a perfect music forum.

or one where people actually thought.

There's no reason that sunny day real estate deserves to be on this list. Oh i get it, you all want to sound cool for putting an emo band on there. they didn't really do shit for music. oh, you guys heard neutral milk hotel because ben and brand new name dropped them, care to explain why they warrant inclusion?

i'm really not ragging on you though.

[El_Jeffe]

not just radio ska. roots ska really picked up the pace in america & became a strong soul force. especially once the skatalites reformed, released albums, & toured america

I like Pearl Jam more than Nirvana too, but as far as "essential" goes, Nirvana kind of started the whole shibang.

When people think of "generation x" or whatever, that's what they think of.

definitely know what you mean, but i reckon quality should be pinned over anything else. there's plenty of bands that a large & somehow "successful", but i wouldn't qualify as essential. but be careful of stating they "started" anything. debatable there mate

[chipdip18]

or one where people actually thought.

There's no reason that sunny day real estate deserves to be on this list. Oh i get it, you all want to sound cool for putting an emo band on there. they didn't really do shit for music. oh, you guys heard neutral milk hotel because ben and brand new name dropped them, care to explain why they warrant inclusion?

i'm really not ragging on you though.

Yeah i get what you mean. NMH should not have been on the list, or nearly that high at least.

[x togepi x]

Yeah i get what you mean. NMH should not have been on the list, or nearly that high at least.

well i can see one making a strong case for to make the list, but probably not any of the people who put it on there.

[chipdip18]

well i can see one making a strong case for to make the list, but probably not any of the people who put it on there.

haha true. I think most people tried to vote for what they listen to/know, and most people on here don't know much about anything other than what they listen to. You know?

[x togepi x]

haha true. I think most people tried to vote for what they listen to/know, and most people on here don't know much about anything other than what they listen to. You know?

oh i know that's why i'm surprised we don't see third eye blind being on the list.

man i could complain more but i really need to blog about my last show because it was hilarious.

[chipdip18]

oh i know that's why i'm surprised we don't see third eye blind being on the list.

man i could complain more but i really need to blog about my last show because it was hilarious.


haha. Well you got all the time in the world to complain here, this thread just barely started.

[El_Jeffe]

haha true. I think most people tried to vote for what they listen to/know, and most people on here don't know much about anything other than what they listen to. You know?

that certainly didn't stop people from voting on certain albums in the 60's & 70's though haha. while these threads are fun, & hopefully a chance to check some new bands, i don't think anyone will ever be happy with the final list unless it's pretty damn close to the one you submitted

but still, no bela fleck or skatalites, what the....?!

[chipdip18]

hahaha i don't know what to tell you man.

[versus_god]

Are there going to be any more list-making love fests after this one?

[Chris Fallon]

Hey, I got an idea: let's all whine about it even though you all made the list.

Yes... that will get results.

[El_Jeffe]

aye? what's the problem with having an opinion on the list? sure we all voted, but it doesn't mean our votes are anything similar to the final product. a thread designed for musical discussion is actually getting some. i enjoy hearing everyone's perspective, whether or not they align with my own, play on

[thesafeword]

I want's to see a 00's one, that's going to be a heated debate.

[3mpire]

No Spice Girls!?

[fran.182]

Are you kidding me?

I can't believe that piece of shit band got two fucking albums on this list. Weezer at least deserves to be there.


if the pumpkins are shit....you don't know what is good music!!!
their first 3 albums are awesome and very influential

[mattybobviously]

Not a big fan of this list... at all.

[Regards]

Chalk me up as someone who doesn't like this list either. I suppose I don't have much of a say though, becuase I didn't make one.

[micahistheballs]

Add me to the list of people not overjoyed by the final results.

[KatieKutthroat.]

Yeah, not a fan of the final list either. But I didn't make one so I have no business complaining.

[chipdip18]

This list was everywhere, probably because halfway through the thread people just decided to list random albums that were their favorites and didn't follow the rules.

[Ruki Katiakicz]

I don't know if this is 'breaking the rules' or whatever, but if everyone hates the list why not just redo it?

[Tyler Revolution]

I didn't participate, so I can't really complain, but this is pretty terrible.

[Anderson]

I voted, but I didn't expect to see many of my choices crack the top 20. There's 4 there that I voted for. More people should have love for Helmet and Quicksand.

[x togepi x]

if the pumpkins are shit....you don't know what is good music!!!
their first 3 albums are awesome and very influential

Yeah, the guy with the blink 182 avatar is going to tell me what good music is.

name me ten bands influenced by the smashing pumpkins.

[IWasaCamera]

Wow, terrible list.

[wewascontenders]

No Lifetime, Jawbreaker, or NOFX? Okay.

[handlikesecret]

not too bad of a list, but i can't say much considering i didn't make a list, haha.

[versus_god]

3/20

[IWasaCamera]

2/20 on my end and both were releases I threw in because I didn't have enough.

[wewascontenders]

7/20

[mattybobviously]

Wait did Loveless seriously not make this list?

[CellarGhosts]

No Lifetime, Jawbreaker, or NOFX? Okay.
My thoughts exactly.

[CellarGhosts]

I think it was maybe 7/20 for me, unless I miscounted.

[mattybobviously]

6/20 for me, my 1-4, 7, and then a later pick.

the 00's will be hilarious, I am in favor of doing it. It's not like we've been acting as though the final results matter all that much, as we always have qualms with the results, and the discussion will be fun. I think there is an obvious choice for #1, but after that it really becomes a bit of a toss-up, I am really curious. Also while we will probably get pop-punk top 20's, I think it'll be interesting to see what a lot of us who shared common opinions over the past decades think about one that we've been listening to music for most of the time period.

[versus_god]

Deja Deja Deja Deja Deja Deja Deja Deja

[mattybobviously]

Maybe a secret clause will be necessary for that thread, an under-the-table agreement that lists with Deja Entendu as the #1 record should not count, would really help us.

[versus_god]

4. Tttityg

[CellarGhosts]

If we actually do 00's list, Deja, IARB, and TAYF should all be disqualified.

[x togepi x]

If we actually do 00's list, Deja, IARB, and TAYF should all be disqualified.

why? they're so influential and people who have never heard those albums are really missing out.

[IWasaCamera]

It'd be a repeat of the favorite albums results. No point.

[handlikesecret]

haha

[CellarGhosts]

why? they're so influential and people who have never heard those albums are really missing out.
hahaha.

I don't have a problem with people enjoying those albums but I really fail to see how anyone could call them truly "influential".

[CellarGhosts]

I'm not going to lie, I occasionally enjoy a few songs from all those albums. However, I wouldn't ever include any of them on an "essential" or "favorites" list at all.

[IWasaCamera]

The entire forum could use an idiot filter.

[chipdip18]

Wait did Loveless seriously not make this list?

Number 21.

[CellarGhosts]

The entire forum could use an idiot filter.
More like the entire internet. haha.

YouTube especially.

[chipdip18]

Doing a 00's list would be retarded, worthless, and embarassing.

[handlikesecret]

The entire forum could use an idiot filter.
what would happen to us idiots?

[Chris Fallon]

Hey, I got an idea: let's all whine about the people who are whining. The only thing cooler than hating music is hating people who hate people.

Yes... that will get results.
Ben, shut the fuck up.

[x togepi x]

Whoever does it should operate an idiot filter and just ignore people who make stupid votes.

this would make the list "pretentious"

[Chris Fallon]

Today is your lucky day then.

No Saves The Day are not releasing a new album



I'm going to play Halo.
I'm not even that big a Saves The Day fan, but cool?

You guys voted on the list, you don't like it? Make another one. Obviously it's not a big hit - let's just be positive about one of these things for once, alright? A lot of you guys have great opinions, but everyone needs to stop bitching so much about what everyone picks. Just because you don't like it does not mean it's a shitty list.

We're cool now, music forum. We're cool now.

[x togepi x]

it is a shitty list because a good portion of these albums don't belong. that's not even a matter of me not liking it, but you seriously cannot tell me that two smashing pumpkins albums are "essential" but a long list of other stuff isn't.


but i didn't think the point of these threads was to make a big list and then pat ourselves on the back about how much the music forum knows about music. it's a list, it should be criticized.

[Chris Fallon]

I don't get it. This is our forum and we like complaining and arguing.

If you don't like that then you do not have to contribute.
I'm a moderator - that's my job. To make sure all of you aren't so negative and condescending to the point of bringing the forum down. If you have a problem with that, I suggest you talk to me in private.

it is a shitty list because a good portion of these albums don't belong. that's not even a matter of me not liking it, but you seriously cannot tell me that two smashing pumpkins albums are "essential" but a long list of other stuff isn't.


but i didn't think the point of these threads was to make a big list and then pat ourselves on the back about how much the music forum knows about music. it's a list, it should be criticized.
I agree we should criticize in a manageable way. I think that can be healthy - but there is a slim difference between that and picking to the point where it comes across as simply regurgitated arguments. I get you guys don't often like the results these lists provide, I won't argue there is always room for improvement. But c'mon, let's lighten up just a bit - I like a lot of you guys in here, but when I see this kind of complaining, it just gets repetitive. That's all. I respect that you all have opinions, but the thing is, we want to make this a place all members can come back to, not just a certain few.

[x togepi x]

I'm not entirely sure how criticizing a list brings an entire forum down. it's like you basically just want kids into shitty pop rock to post here and nobody else.

[3mpire]

Doing a 00s list would end up a disaster.

[x togepi x]

i just don't get what's expected here. i guess: REALLY GOOD LIST GUYS. because that's what's musical discussion, agreeing with everyone?

[Chris Fallon]

I'm not entirely sure how criticizing a list brings an entire forum down. it's like you basically just want kids into shitty pop rock to post here and nobody else.
No, not at all. I never said or hinted at that. I said there is a difference between criticizing in a mature way and then going on and on about one minuet thing that irritates you. We're all guilty of it, sure - but I do not see a problem with changing our ways here.

This is not an elitist's forum. This is a forum for everyone to be involved in, and part of the process we are trying to put forth here at the site is that everyone has a say and no one is better than the rest. Lots of people are accepting of this mantra, and I would think that just because someone rolls in here and has different tastes and say, loves that the Smashing Pumpkins are on here twice, would still be allowed (and not entirely frightened) to journey in here again. I don't think that's so hard... I just want this forum to have a better reputation. Is it that difficult to work with me here?

[Chris Fallon]

You tell 15 year olds what to do for free on a music website, that is not a job.
Alright Ben, I've had enough of your bullshit. You are one of the most pretentious people I have ever seen in my life. Just because you think your taste is better than everyone's and that your haircut is cool and that "Hey I'm from the UK so obviously, I'm better than those Yanks" does not put you on a pedestal. I've tried being nice and putting up with you, but you completely disliked by a majority larger than you might think (I've received complaints, staffers talk about you... be flattered you're so hated). If you think what we all do on the site - make this place what it is, make it better for you, the AP.net member - then I highly suggest you get the fuck out. Because, hey - who is really going to miss your witty remarks? Hands, anyone? No? Alright then - it's settled: you either bite your fucking tongue or you get the fuck out.

i just don't get what's expected here. i guess: REALLY GOOD LIST GUYS. because that's what's musical discussion, agreeing with everyone?
Jesus, you don't listen. You're obviously not going to get it.

[handlikesecret]

Halo wasn't doing it for you, Ben?

[3mpire]

and that "Hey I'm from the UK so obviously, I'm better than those Yanks" does not put you on a pedestal.

Not this again...

[x togepi x]

No, not at all. I never said or hinted at that. I said there is a difference between criticizing in a mature way and then going on and on about one minuet thing that irritates you. We're all guilty of it, sure - but I do not see a problem with changing our ways here.

I don't see how i am picking small things when I suggested that the smashing pumpkins aren't good enough to have two albums on the list but ska, hardcore, heavy music, etc. got left out entirely.

This is not an elitist's forum. This is a forum for everyone to be involved in, and part of the process we are trying to put forth here at the site is that everyone has a say and no one is better than the rest. Lots of people are accepting of this mantra, and I would think that just because someone rolls in here and has different tastes and say, loves that the Smashing Pumpkins are on here twice, would still be allowed (and not entirely frightened) to journey in here again. I don't think that's so hard... I just want this forum to have a better reputation. Is it that difficult to work with me here?

This is an elitist's forum. It caters to "pop punk", whiney "indie" and occasionally into other genres like punk/ska/whatever. You try to make a thread about real pop punk or whatever and you get a million people whining that you're being "pretentious". Elitism isn't limited to merely hyping oop screamo records nobody cares about. just watch the disaster that happens when someone criticizes one of the sacred cows (which change so often it's not even funny).

Call me an elitist if you want, but that's just perception is based purely on the fact that I and a few other people don't buy into the same kind of music that everyone else here does. This forum doesn't have a bad reputation because of people like ben and i, it has a poor reputation because you're basically saying it should cater to the most mediocre of the mediocre.

So and so thinks TSP deserves on here twice? Cool, fucking defend it instead of saying NO MAN THEY'RE REALLY GOOD.

things were infinitely better before now, when we actually talked about music/things related to music instead of making inane lists of bands and patting each other on the back for liking whatever flavor the week just dropped.

i'm not even complaining about this thread in general. i just don't see how it's cool for someone like a fatal goodbye to be a homophobic asshole, or people be sexist pricks, but i get shit for being "too negative"

[IWasaCamera]

This may get entertaining.

[Chris Fallon]

Not this again...
I'm not speaking for all of you. You going to tell me a lot of you from the UK don't believe that?

I hope I'm not being "racist" here. I actually do like a lot of our British members... just not the ones who act better than the Yanks.

[3mpire]

I'm not speaking for all of you. You going to tell me a lot of you from the UK don't believe that?

This has never crossed my mind once. I don't know where you're getting this from.

[Chris Fallon]

I don't see how i am picking small things when I suggested that the smashing pumpkins aren't good enough to have two albums on the list but ska, hardcore, heavy music, etc. got left out entirely.



This is an elitist's forum. It caters to "pop punk", whiney "indie" and occasionally into other genres like punk/ska/whatever. You try to make a thread about real pop punk or whatever and you get a million people whining that you're being "pretentious". Elitism isn't limited to merely hyping oop screamo records nobody cares about. just watch the disaster that happens when someone criticizes one of the sacred cows (which change so often it's not even funny).

Call me an elitist if you want, but that's just perception is based purely on the fact that I and a few other people don't buy into the same kind of music that everyone else here does. This forum doesn't have a bad reputation because of people like ben and i, it has a poor reputation because you're basically saying it should cater to the most mediocre of the mediocre.

So and so thinks TSP deserves on here twice? Cool, fucking defend it instead of saying NO MAN THEY'RE REALLY GOOD.

things were infinitely better before now, when we actually talked about music/things related to music instead of making inane lists of bands and patting each other on the back for liking whatever flavor the week just dropped.

i'm not even complaining about this thread in general. i just don't see how it's cool for someone like a fatal goodbye to be a homophobic asshole, or people be sexist pricks, but i get shit for being "too negative"
To respond to the homophobic comments: could you please do me a favor next time, because I can't watch everything - PM me, IM me - whatever. Bring it to my attention because I don't see that and I will take care of it, okay? Thank you for bringing that up.

Now, if you honestly believe this is an elitist's forum... sorry, that is entirely false. I am not going to put up with that notion. That's pure bullshit. I never said we need to cater to mediocre - half the shit you're saying is you putting words in my mouth. Perhaps you just don't see how it can be a positive place with opinions not getting rammed down other's throats simply because they like a band you're not crazy about, like Smashing Pumpkins. I know you have a hard-nose when it comes to other's tastes, and that is fine - but if someone loves a band, and they celebrate this fact in a demeanor that is not annoying or just says, "Hey I like Smashing Pumpkins." There is no regard to jump on them, and bring them down - it makes the forum look bad, and I am one who is trying to improve that.

[Chris Fallon]

This has never crossed my mind once. I don't know where you're getting this from.
From many other people I've seen over the years. I've witnessed it plenty of times, I'm not pointing fingers at you, specifically... but have I seen that kind of egotism? Sure.

Do we do it as Americans, too? Yeah probably, some of us here do.

I personally, do not. Neither do you. Some do. That is the point.

[Chris Fallon]

And please, everyone... I am not jumping on people because of only the "negativity" - if there is other shit I'm missing in the forums that needs to be addressed, PM or IM any staffers to let us know. I don't want homophobic or sexist comments flooding the forums either. We're trying to improve the quality of life here, okay? So please, help out a little, it's going to make everyone happier.

[x togepi x]

Now, if you honestly believe this is an elitist's forum... sorry, that is entirely false. I am not going to put up with that notion. That's pure bullshit. I never said we need to cater to mediocre - half the shit you're saying is you putting words in my mouth. Perhaps you just don't see how it can be a positive place with opinions not getting rammed down other's throats simply because they like a band you're not crazy about, like Smashing Pumpkins. I know you have a hard-nose when it comes to other's tastes, and that is fine - but if someone loves a band, and they celebrate this fact in a demeanor that is not annoying or just says, "Hey I like Smashing Pumpkins." There is no regard to jump on them, and bring them down - it makes the forum look bad, and I am one who is trying to improve that.


I'm not entirely sure how you can not buy that when anytime someone criticizes pop rock they get branded with "oh you're pretentious". there's so much groupthink here it's ridiculous. just because it's not fitting into the mold of elitism that you're thinking of doesn't mean it's not elitist. the amount of music talked about on this forum is such a small slice of what's out there, but most people here are going to ignore it anyway.

i don't see what's negative about asking people to justify why a band deserves to be on a list with reasons other than "i like them." that has nothing to do with what's essential. besides, when we're talking about the smashing pumpkins, it was other people responding to me, yet i'm the negative one?

[3mpire]

From many other people I've seen over the years. I've witnessed it plenty of times, I'm not pointing fingers at you, specifically... but have I seen that kind of egotism? Sure.

Do we do it as Americans, too? Yeah probably, some of us here do.

I personally, do not. Neither do you. Some do. That is the point.

Fair enough. I just find it annoying when Americans pull the - "You're British so you must think you're better than us" bollocks.

[Chris Fallon]

Fair enough. I just find it annoying when Americans pull the - "You're British so you must think you're better than us" bollocks.
Understandable, and I apologize for any offense. :-)

[Genuma]

Not a very good list.

[holyballs]

anyways lets talk about jersey's best dancers not being on there. as well as at least one ska album came out because that genre got a complete facelift in the 90's.

[chipdip18]

anyways lets talk about jersey's best dancers not being on there. as well as at least one ska album came out because that genre got a complete facelift in the 90's.


Man the problem with things like this is that artists who put out more than one possibly essential album had votes split up between albums. That's why they didn't make it. A Music Forum Essential Artists would clear up that problem maybe.

[zaron5551]

The list is lacking

The Offspring - Smash (1994)
Third Eye Blind - Third Eye Blind

and has way to much Weezer on it

As a side note: Warning is better than Dookie

[CellarGhosts]

Dookie is the more influential album though, hence why it's here. Plus Warning was released in 2000.

I really like both albums though, so I'm not talking down on Warning.

[versus_god]

Man the problem with things like this is that artists who put out more than one possibly essential album had votes split up between albums. That's why they didn't make it. A Music Forum Essential Artists would clear up that problem maybe.
I was thinking the same thing.

Or maybe a favorite bands list could be fun.

[versus_god]

Insomniac is my favorite Green Day album.

[CellarGhosts]

Insomniac is my favorite Green Day album.
It might be mine too.

PS
check your messages on the myspaces. ;-)

[versus_god]

Done and did!

Best artwork of any Green Day record.

[SanePsychotic]

Insomniac may have the best artwork, but it's one of my least favorite Green Day albums (but that still means I know it backwards and forwards).

[El_Jeffe]

i don't really want to get into the argument here, but when did having an opinion become "elitist"? haven't really seen anything from anyone in this thread that qualifies as such

& how did this thread get mildly racist? haha only on ap

i'd still like to plug some bela fleck & the flecktones (http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=310998), for those who haven't heard them & therefore didn't vote. i just see them as such a defining figure of the 90's

people raising the point of ska music, what are your suggestions? the skatalites - hi-bop ska? the slackers - redlight? or the question? or are you leaning towards keasbey nights? others?

also, how much do the foo fighters really belong there? i don't mind that album that's on the list. but are they really influential or important? i've always seen them as just a band who's, usually, pretty good at what they do

[CellarGhosts]

Done and did!

Best artwork of any Green Day record.
:thumbup: on both accounts

[jeffisnotarobot]

OK Computer
Yes.

[Brokenhill]

OK Computer
Yes.


Amazing avatar.

[Nevuk]

Wait did Loveless seriously not make this list?
wtf? I take back what I said, this list is useless.

[Nevuk]

i don't really want to get into the argument here, but when did having an opinion become "elitist"? haven't really seen anything from anyone in this thread that qualifies as such

& how did this thread get mildly racist? haha only on ap

i'd still like to plug some bela fleck & the flecktones (http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=310998), for those who haven't heard them & therefore didn't vote. i just see them as such a defining figure of the 90's

people raising the point of ska music, what are your suggestions? the skatalites - hi-bop ska? the slackers - redlight? or the question? or are you leaning towards keasbey nights? others?

also, how much do the foo fighters really belong there? i don't mind that album that's on the list. but are they really influential or important? i've always seen them as just a band who's, usually, pretty good at what they do
I do need to listen to flecktones still... album to start with?
I do also find it kind of funny that Jazz apparently stopped existing after the 50s according to these lists.

[chipdip18]

I was thinking the same thing.

Or maybe a favorite bands list could be fun.


I love to do a favorite bands list.

[El_Jeffe]

I do need to listen to flecktones still... album to start with?
I do also find it kind of funny that Jazz apparently stopped existing after the 50s according to these lists.

ya can't really go wrong with much of their material, but either their self-titled or three flew over the cuckoo's nest are probably their strongest albums

haha good point, i hadn't really noticed. i know you're into a lot of free & experimental jazz, but who would you say are some of the "big players" in jazz over the last... 20 years? i've been on a big wynton marsalis kick lately. personally, really rate him

[Nevuk]

ya can't really go wrong with much of their material, but either their self-titled or three flew over the cuckoo's nest are probably their strongest albums

haha good point, i hadn't really noticed. i know you're into a lot of free & experimental jazz, but who would you say are some of the "big players" in jazz over the last... 20 years? i've been on a big wynton marsalis kick lately. personally, really rate him
Haha, I haven't really been on a big free jazz kick lately, but there are a few in the 80s and 90s. Really, its the opposite of a few, there are a ton and I've never had the opportunity to check them all out . Braxton still has a noticeable presence even today, but newer artists.. hmm. There are entire new genres of Jazz that we've largely ignored, mosly post-bop.

If you want more modern free jazz... hmm. There are just so many names that I kind of forget them.

Sonny Sharrock has some unforgettable free jazz guitar work on Ask the Ages (1991). One of the only people to ever attempt to use electric guitar in such a fashion. (The simultaneous guitar and saxophone solos of him and Pharoah Sanders in Promises Kept are a really... unique demonstration). I haven't had ample opportunity to really explore much free jazz from this era, but that is probably the best of the ones I've heard.

I'm currently hunting around for anything Bill Dixon has done, who has been an extremely active musician since the 60s but has very few releases due to an "uncomprimising" style. And of course there is John Zorn, who is one of the most active experimental musicians to emerge since the 80s, in multiple genres.

[IWasaCamera]

The list is lacking

The Offspring - Smash (1994)
Third Eye Blind - Third Eye Blind
Lacking way more than that.
Everyone on this forum is an elitist. Even the Relient K/Underoath/Mae kids are. Make a Nickelback thread, or a Hinder thread and you'll see a ton of kids who cry when you don't like Showbread doing the exact same to fans of neo grunge.

Everyone on this forum thinks their msuic taste is better than someone elses.

There is no regular on this forum who hasn't complained about other peoples music or the "mainstream music scene" or country or rap and so on.

Don't pull the mean elitist card when you're just as bad when a 14 year old tells you Atreyu are the best band ever. At least people like me are prepared to take it as well as give it out, apparently it's fair game to hate on 50 Cent but it's oh so negative and harsh to hate on Saves the Day or The Almost.
Pretty much.

[funkel]

also, how much do the foo fighters really belong there? i don't mind that album that's on the list. but are they really influential or important? i've always seen them as just a band who's, usually, pretty good at what they do
My view of Foo Fighters: A ton of people like them, but I don't see them as all that ground-breaking or whatever. Someone can feel free to prove me wrong if they want. I've always seen them as band that made good songs, not albums.

[Jumpoff]

I did not expect to see Foo Fighters on this list at all :-|

[Until The Bombs]

Since I missed this all, a few things to say, most of which has probably already been said (also I did not post a list):

1. Smashing Pumpkins deserve to be on there.

2. Everyone that posts in here is an elitist, some are just better informed and act like jerks (but seriously, just grow a thicker skin, this is the internet). And jeez, if you think this is bad, try venturing into General. For some reason it seems like they get a pass while a few in this forum get all the heat.

3. I don't get how strong the complaining is, it's a list compiled by a group of people, off course you won't like them all.

4. One of these days I'll have to actually listen to that NMH album in it's entirety cause so far I don't get the hype.

[Superunknown]

Where was Rage Against The Machine - Self Titled?

[kwsqd]

battle of la would be more of an essential album, by far their most popular work although evil empire was their best.

[Superunknown]

I'd agree with that, Self Titled is my third favourite by them. I'd put it on the list though because it's was their first and was more influential IMO

[kwsqd]

it's a tough choice.

[wtfmates]

No Nick Cave and no Nine Inch Nails makes for a shitty top of the 90's list.

[Until The Bombs]

When people complain about what didn't make the list. It would be great if they would actually say what should be removed to fit it.

[Superunknown]

When people complain about what didn't make the list. It would be great if they would actually say what should be removed to fit it.

Easy, Neutral Milk Hotel, replaced by Rage Against The Machines' Self Titled.

[wtfmates]

REM and one of the weezer cds.

[Regards]

Easy, Neutral Milk Hotel, replaced by Rage Against The Machines' Self Titled.
Wrong.

[Until The Bombs]

I'm not gonna argue anyone's choices as far as adding and removing since I'm not in the mood, but it makes things more interesting and makes people actually defend their choices instead of just throwing out albums.

[wtfmates]

Easy, Neutral Milk Hotel, replaced by Rage Against The Machines' Self Titled.

NMH are awesome.

[Superunknown]

Wrong.

There was me thinking an opinion couldn't be wrong. My mistake.

[Until The Bombs]

There was me thinking an opinion couldn't be wrong. My mistake.

Here's the point where you explain why NMH should be removed for RATM. It isn't really an opinion if you don't back it up with facts, or at least some reason.

[Superunknown]

Would have liked to have seen Alice In Chains on there, because IMO AIC > Nirvana
But Nirvana overshadowed them.

[kwsqd]

alice in chains would have been good. but the bigger problem is no pearl jam. two weezer and two smashing pumpkins albums and yet no ten... hmmm

[AlternateToLife]

Ow ow! Bout time.

[Judge'sDaughter]

i'm glad to have my suspicion that people on AP.net don't actually listen to music confirmed by this horrible list.

I like four or five of those albums- the list is terrible, not horrible. There's a slight difference.

[Superunknown]

alice in chains would have been good. but the bigger problem is no pearl jam. two weezer and two smashing pumpkins albums and yet no ten... hmmm

I agree with you again, Pearl Jam definitely should have had an album in there, I'm thinking Ten, not because it's their best album, I personally think their best work is either Vs or Vitalogy. But because it's their most accessible and appeals to a wider audience than their other albums.

Smashing Pumpkins deserve an album in there definitely imo. Problem is which one? Siamese Dream Of Mellon Collie? Both are such great albums.

Having one Weezer album would be a joke. Let alone two.

[IWasaCamera]

Both NMH and RATM aren't essential.

[kwsqd]

I agree with you again, Pearl Jam definitely should have had an album in there, I'm thinking Ten, not because it's their best album, I personally think their best work is either Vs or Vitalogy. But because it's their most accessible and appeals to a wider audience than their other albums.

Smashing Pumpkins deserve an album in there definitely imo. Problem is which one? Siamese Dream Of Mellon Collie? Both are such great albums.

Having one Weezer album would be a joke. Let alone two.
As overrated as weezer is, I think one album on the list isn't a joke. Realistically if you're going to have two albums from any band on there you should be looking at Vitalogy and Ten.

I would pick Mellon Collie.

Both NMH and RATM aren't essential.
nmh definitely isn't. why do you say RATM isn't?

[IWasaCamera]

nmh definitely isn't. why do you say RATM isn't?
Why would they be? Clumsy politically-tinged rambling paired with rap/rock/metal/whatever doesn't make for essential music. There are 20 spots per decade, no chance in hell is Rage Against The Machine worthy of one of them. Then again, the 90's is the first of this series in which I completely disregarded the established definition of "essential" so take all of this with a grain of salt.

[kwsqd]

Why would they be? Clumsy politically-tinged rambling paired with rap/rock/metal/whatever doesn't make for essential music. There are 20 spots per decade, no chance in hell is Rage Against The Machine worthy of one of them. Then again, the 90's is the first of this series in which I completely disregarded the established definition of "essential" so take all of this with a grain of salt.
I can see your point. I just feel like if I were to give someone 20 and only 20 albums from the 90s, RATM would be one of them. Maybe my taste isn't varied enough though..

[3mpire]

I can't see how two Weezer albums are more essential than any of Rage's albums.

[IWasaCamera]

I can see your point. I just feel like if I were to give someone 20 and only 20 albums from the 90s, RATM would be one of them. Maybe my taste isn't varied enough though..
Frankly, the final list is missing a lot. Not sure Rage would even have a spot if I did this by the book either. Not one electronic album. How does that happen? Also needs some Will Oldham and Talk Talk.

[x togepi x]

I like four or five of those albums- the list is terrible, not horrible. There's a slight difference.

i like 11 of the albums, but it's still a horrible list and some of the ones i like shouldn't be on there.

[amysaurus]

Aw, where are NSYNC & BSB? haha

[x togepi x]

I like four or five of those albums- the list is terrible, not horrible. There's a slight difference.

i like 11 of the albums, but it's still a horrible list and some of the ones i like shouldn't be on there.

[kearn1tm]

Why would they be? Clumsy politically-tinged rambling paired with rap/rock/metal/whatever doesn't make for essential music. There are 20 spots per decade, no chance in hell is Rage Against The Machine worthy of one of them. Then again, the 90's is the first of this series in which I completely disregarded the established definition of "essential" so take all of this with a grain of salt.

I'll fully admit that I'm part of what was wrong with this list, because, in many cases, I voted what I enjoyed the most as opposed to what was I would deem "essential."

[IWasaCamera]

I'll fully admit that I'm part of what was wrong with this list, because, in many cases, I voted what I enjoyed the most as opposed to what was I would deem "essential."
It became increasingly difficult for me to do this properly as the decades wore on. Personal preference ended up overtaking objective choices. :shrug:

[kearn1tm]

It became increasingly difficult for me to do this properly as the decades wore on. Personal preference ended up overtaking objective choices. :shrug:

Absolutely. It became exceedingly impossible to look at each decade objectively when you actually 1.) lived through part of the '80s and '90s and 2.) Listen to much more contemporary works than that of the '60s and '70s (at least myself. I listen to a great amount of music from those decades, but artists and albums from the '80s through today take up a larger portion of my music library).

[Yes. And?]

w00t, Siamese Dream. I'm pretty surprised at #1, since every other word is about how overrated they are. Why Oasis?
Well, this thread got a bit heated! Make an 00s list, I wanna see shit really hit the fan. :popcorn:

[IWasaCamera]

Absolutely. It became exceedingly impossible to look at each decade objectively when you actually 1.) lived through part of the '80s and '90s and 2.) Listen to much more contemporary works than that of the '60s and '70s (at least myself. I listen to a great amount of music from those decades, but artists and albums from the '80s through today take up a larger portion of my music library).
Agreed, especially with the bit about living through the period in question.

[Superunknown]

Why Oasis?

Because they have influenced alot of British bands of today (not always a good thing) and their first two albums are widely considered modern classics in Britain.

[versus_god]

More lists.

[Yes. And?]

Because they have influenced alot of British bands of today (not always a good thing) and their first two albums are widely considered modern classics in Britain.
Like who?

[absolutecrunk]

Had I made a list, Blue would've been ahead of Pinkerton.


Never forget that.

[Yes. And?]

I like Blue more than Pinkerton, too.

[allhourcymbals]

Lol, 2000's?

[Superunknown]

Like who?

Hmmmm like:

Arctic Monkeys
The Fratellis
The Killers
Stereophonics
Travis
The Libertines
The View
Kasabian
Embrace

And just about every British "indie rock" /Brit pop or whatever you want to call it band thats around in Britain now.

[wtfmates]

Am I the only one who thinks that The Downward Spiral by Nine Inch Nails should be on there?

[Superunknown]

Am I the only one who thinks that The Downward Spiral by Nine Inch Nails should be on there?

No I do too. Am I the only one that thinks Grace shouldn't be on there?

[El_Jeffe]

of all albums to remove/alter, grace probably wouldn't be my first choice. but each to their own

i'm surprised no one's said anything about the lack of attention given to anything from elliot smith. i find him to be good, but often overstated. but had this list been compiled in the general forum, he'd probably have been in the top 10, if not 5...

[Anderson]

w00t, Siamese Dream. I'm pretty surprised at #1, since every other word is about how overrated they are. Why Oasis?
Well, this thread got a bit heated! Make an 00s list, I wanna see shit really hit the fan. :popcorn:I think that if we were creating a list of 20 essential albums for someone to check out in order to understand the music of the 1990s Nevermind has to be a given since they were the biggest rock band of the '90s. On personal preference I'd have put In Utero in over Nevermind, but as far as importance goes it has to be Nevermind. As for Oasis, certainly here in the U.K. Oasis and the Spice Girls were the soundtrack to the mid '90s as far as the mainstream went.

[IWasaCamera]

Hmmmm like:

Arctic Monkeys
The Fratellis
The Killers
Stereophonics
Travis
The Libertines
The View
Kasabian
Embrace

And just about every British "indie rock" /Brit pop or whatever you want to call it band thats around in Britain now.
Shame they haven't influenced one good band.

[ugman_2000]

Shame they haven't influenced one good band.

It's funny cause it's true

[kearn1tm]

Shame they haven't influenced one good band.

The Arctic Monkeys and The Libertines were decent, nothing more, but decent.

[Until The Bombs]

Oh come on. The Killers are solid. Granted I don't see how Oasis influenced them.

[CellarGhosts]

Oh come on. The Killers are solid. Granted I don't see how Oasis influenced them.
I won't lie, I enjoy me some Killers now and then. Brandon Flowers seems like kind of a pissbag, but whatever. Their first album is pretty solid imo. Sam's Town has got it's moments.

[Until The Bombs]

I won't lie, I enjoy me some Killers now and then. Brandon Flowers seems like kind of a pissbag, but whatever. Their first album is pretty solid imo. Sam's Town has got it's moments.

Hot Fuss was just a great fun album and Sam's Town to me represented a huge jump forward despite being inconsistent. And Flower's does come off as a douche, but so do a lot of other famous musicians, so it doesn't bother me. If anything I figure a front man often needs to carry a sort of arrogance.

[CellarGhosts]

Hot Fuss was just a great fun album and Sam's Town to me represented a huge jump forward despite being inconsistent. And Flower's does come off as a douche, but so do a lot of other famous musicians, so it doesn't bother me. If anything I figure a front man often needs to carry a sort of arrogance.
Haha, eh, yeah I guess I can agree with that. I do still listen to Hot Fuss, but Sam's Town, I listened to maybe three times or so and never went back to it. I do like "Read My Mind" though. Maybe I'll give the album another chance.

[Yes. And?]

I think that if we were creating a list of 20 essential albums for someone to check out in order to understand the music of the 1990s Nevermind has to be a given since they were the biggest rock band of the '90s. On personal preference I'd have put In Utero in over Nevermind, but as far as importance goes it has to be Nevermind. As for Oasis, certainly here in the U.K. Oasis and the Spice Girls were the soundtrack to the mid '90s as far as the mainstream went.
I agree with this, I guess it just surprised me because I remember a few people saying Nirvana was not going on their list.

[IWasaCamera]

The Arctic Monkeys and The Libertines were decent, nothing more, but decent.
The former is average at best while the latter is downright awful. Worst thing to ever happen to "indie".
Oh come on. The Killers are solid.
I beg to differ.

[El_Jeffe]

i think oasis deserve to be there. yea they were influential, but as has already been established, most of those who took a direct influence are... well..

but that album is still great & an album that was such definitive sound of the era. the whole album is great, not a weak moment (even those two wee interludes kick ass). i'd never put it in the top 10, but it's definitely worthy of top 20 placing i reckon. it's just a really great, really well crafted, really loved album

[Genuma]

Awesome: Two Weezer in top 10, Illmatic at four, a bunch of rap albums mied in.

Not Awesome: There are better Green Day albums, Jeff Buckley shouldn't be that high, Nirvana should not be #1.

[Yes. And?]

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/f/f1/200px-Staind_14_Shades_of_Grey.jpg

14 Shades of Grey by Staind for Most Influential Album of this decade. I don't care if we've got another year to go, fuck 2009. Make it happen. \m/

[Superunknown]

I didn't say Oasis influenced GOOD bands. I said they influenced ALOT of bands. Theres a difference.

They are responsible for alot of really bad music imo

[kearn1tm]

The former is average at best while the latter is downright awful.

"Decent," "Average," they're interchangable adjectives in which we've said the exact same thing.
Worst thing to ever happen to "indie".

Hyperbole will get you nowhere.

...and your post makes my soul vomit anger as it shatters into a trillion pieces of disagreement and rage and violence.

[IWasaCamera]

"Decent," "Average," they're interchangable adjectives in which we've said the exact same thing..
"Average at best."
Hyperbole will get you nowhere.

...and your post makes my soul vomit anger as it shatters into a trillion pieces of disagreement and rage and violence.
Not hyperbole in the least. I can't think of a band that has had more of a negative impact on the scene than The Libertines. They may not have written the worst music but they spearheaded this dreadful style-over-substance ethos of cool within the indie culture. Doherty's music catching on is the reason for which such a vast majority of current British (I realize their influence extends beyond the UK but its effects are most prevalent there) rock is terrible.

[kearn1tm]

"Average at best."

"Decent and nothing more."

Semantics are keen.

Not hyperbole in the least. I can't think of a band that has had more of a negative impact on the scene than The Libertines. They may not have written the worst music but they spearheaded this dreadful style-over-substance ethos of cool within the indie culture. Doherty's music catching on is the reason for which such a vast majority of current British (I realize their influence extends beyond the UK but its effects are most prevalent there) rock is terrible.

...

I was being sarcastic.

[Chromefox]

Good to see Oasis make the list.

I consider Nirvana to be highly overrated in terms of sound and popularity, though I will not deny their influence.

[teenagetwilight]

No Clarity?
Nirvana 1st?
This list screams fail.

[Superunknown]

I know Nevermind is more essential.

But just for the record:

In Utero > Nevermind

[alice+interiors]

When is the 2000's being posted?

[Regards]

It was my impression that they weren't.

[IWasaCamera]

"Decent and nothing more."

Semantics are keen.
I wouldn't equate "average at best" with "decent and nothing more" personally. :shrug:
...

I was being sarcastic.
Didn't catch that, my mistake.

[Nevuk]

Decent is a "B", average is a "C", basically.

[IWasaCamera]

Pretty much.

[xglassjawx]

How on earth did this not make the list? Pretty much the best album in the genre period.

http://cdn.last.fm/coverart/300x300/2024260-1295684716.jpg

[xglassjawx]

When is the 2000's being posted?

1st January 2010.

Just cos I'm bored though... here are my ten in no particular order.

Mono-You Are There
Glassjaw-Everything You Ever Wanted To Know
Muse-Origin Of Symmetry
Between The Buried & Me-The Silent Circus
Set Your Goals-Mutiny
Lydia-Illuminate
Ef-I Am Responsible
Gang Starr-Moment Of Truth
Brand New-Deja Entendu
Linkin Park-Hybrid Theory

[chipdip18]

I think Kid B requested this list.

[IcedOpethBlind]

Mellon Collie & The Infinite Sadness >>>>>>>> Siamese Dream

[Brokenhill]

Mellon Collie & The Infinite Sadness >>> Siamese Dream

Fixed.

'Siamese' is still really good..but yea, nothing tops 'MCATIS'.