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Broken Parachute
07/28/08, 01:52 AM
I had an idea. Once a week, or maybe once every other week depending on the response we get, I'd like to try something. I will post a major court case or court decision and as a forum we can discuss our opinions on the court case...whether we agree with it, disagree with it, wish it had gone a little differently, etc.

Now obviously Roe v. Wade has been discussed in detail various times on the forum, so I'll just totally skip that. I have a ton of good court cases in mind.

Here's the first one...

New Jersey v. TLO (1985)
The student involved in the case was underage so her name is abbreviated as TLO

BACKGROUND
In 1980, a teacher at Piscataway High School in New Jersey found two girls smoking in a restroom. At the school, smoking in the restrooms was a violation of school rules; smoking was allowed only in the designated smoking area. The teacher escorted the two girls to the principal's office, where they met with an assistant vice principal, Theodore Choplick. One of the girls was T.L.O., a freshman who was 14 years old. The girl who was with T.L.O. admitted that she had been smoking; T.L.O., however, denied the allegation, and said that she did not, in fact, smoke at all.

Choplick took T.L.O. into his office and instructed her to turn over her purse. He opened the purse and found a pack of cigarettes. He took the cigarettes out of the purse and showed them to T.L.O., accusing her of having lied about smoking in the restroom. As he removed the cigarettes, he noticed a package of cigarette rolling papers, which he believed were an indicator of involvement with marijuana. Therefore, he proceeded with a more thorough search of T.L.O.'s purse. This search yielded the following items: a small amount of marijuana, a pipe, empty plastic bags, a significant amount of money in one-dollar bills, a list of students who owed T.L.O. money, and letters implicating T.L.O. in dealing marijuana.

Choplick then called T.L.O.'s mother and the police. The mother came to the school and, at the request of the police, took her daughter to the police station. Choplick turned the evidence from the purse over to the police. At the police station, T.L.O. admitted that she had been selling marijuana at school. As a result of T.L.O.'s confession and the evidence from her purse, the State of New Jersey brought delinquency charges against T.L.O. in the Juvenile and Domestic Relations Court of Middlesex County.
T.L.O. tried to have the evidence from her purse suppressed, contending that the search violated the Fourth Amendment. She also claimed that her confession should be suppressed on the grounds that it was tainted by the unlawful search. The juvenile court rejected her Fourth Amendment arguments, although it conceded that the Fourth Amendment applies to searches by school officials. However, it held that a school official may search a student if that official has a "reasonable suspicion that a crime has been or is in the process of being committed, or reasonable cause to believe that the search is necessary to maintain school discipline or enforce school policies." This is a lower standard than the "probable cause" standard, which is required when police conduct a search.

The juvenile court concluded that Choplick's search was, therefore, reasonable. Choplick was justified in searching the purse, the Court said, because of his reasonable suspicion that T.L.O. had violated school rules by smoking in the restroom. When he opened the purse, evidence of marijuana use was in plain view; this justified the further search of the purse. T.L.O. was found to be a delinquent and, in January 1982, she was sentenced to one year of probation.
T.L.O. appealed her conviction to the appellate division, which found no violation of the Fourth Amendment, but returned the case to juvenile court for determination of a possible Fifth Amendment problem with T.L.O.'s confession. T.L.O. then appealed the appellate division's Fourth Amendment ruling to the Supreme Court of New Jersey.
The Supreme Court of New Jersey reversed the appellate division's ruling and ordered the evidence found in T.L.O.'s purse suppressed. The New Jersey Court relied on Supreme Court of the United States precedent to hold that whenever an "official" search violates constitutional rights, the evidence may not be used in a criminal case. Furthermore, the Supreme Court of New Jersey found that Choplick's search was not reasonable. Mere possession of cigarettes was not a violation of school rules; therefore, a desire for evidence of smoking in the restroom did not justify the search. In addition, the further search of the purse was not justified by the presence of cigarette rolling papers.

In 1983, the Supreme Court of the United States granted the State of New Jersey's petition for certiorari. In 1985, the Court handed down its decision.

CONCLUSION: The Supreme Court of the United States, in a 6-3 decision issued by Justice White, ruled that the search and seizure by school officials without a warrant was constitutional as long as the search was deemed reasonable given the circumstances. The Court reaffirmed that there is a balancing between the individual's—even a child's—legitimate expectation of privacy and the school's interest in maintaining order and discipline. Accordingly, school officials do not need a warrant to search the belongings of students, but they do require a "reasonable suspicion".

School officials are State agents when enforcing disciplinary rules mandated by law. Officials may search without a warrant using reasonable suspicion of a violation of the law or school rules.

Nevuk
07/28/08, 02:24 AM
Bullshit by any standards. It was a high school principle, who should never have the bizarre right to search people on a whim. I know people who use papers to smoke tobacco, as they prefer to roll their own cigarrettes.

TeachBirds2Fly
07/28/08, 02:56 AM
Bullshit by any standards. It was a high school principle, who should never have the bizarre right to search people on a whim. I know people who use papers to smoke tobacco, as they prefer to roll their own cigarrettes.

yeah but I bet they don't buy **** aswel which was what was found on the girl with rolling paper. If you have both **** and rolling paper it is pretty obvious what you are going to be doing.

TeachBirds2Fly
07/28/08, 02:57 AM
LOL why was the word f*a*g*s starred out as in cigerattes lol what a joke.

ghostyouare
07/28/08, 07:01 AM
I believe the prinipal had every right to search the purse. He is must insure the safety of the students and I believe he has the right to search their lockers and Im pretty sure he had reasonable cause to search the purse.

This girl is 14 and a stupid bitch.

This isnt just some random search (which should NOT be allowed) but in this case i believe he had every right.

On top of everything it sounds like the cigs were in plain sight, she willingly handed over the purse, and then the pot was just under that, so bitch is dumb.

I think if a piece of brillo (household metal wire scrubs) is found in a car then that is reasonable cause, rolling papers only make sense to be tied in as well. Rolling papers is like finding a bong...

Machu505
07/28/08, 09:25 AM
Principal had the right.

x togepi x
07/28/08, 12:19 PM
I believe the prinipal had every right to search the purse. He is must insure the safety of the students and I believe he has the right to search their lockers and Im pretty sure he had reasonable cause to search the purse.

This girl is 14 and a stupid bitch.

This isnt just some random search (which should NOT be allowed) but in this case i believe he had every right.

On top of everything it sounds like the cigs were in plain sight, she willingly handed over the purse, and then the pot was just under that, so bitch is dumb.

I think if a piece of brillo (household metal wire scrubs) is found in a car then that is reasonable cause, rolling papers only make sense to be tied in as well. Rolling papers is like finding a bong...

You're ignoring the fact that possession of cigarettes isn't breaking any rules. Since there wasn't any "proof" that she had been smoking on campus, and she just had cigarettes, then the search isn't reasonable at all.

Rolling papers is not like finding a bong, as their use is so prevalent for legal uses that it's not specific proof that she was doing/selling weed. There's a reason a bong is considered paraphernalia but cigarette papers aren't.

Your assertion that "well we can search lockers so why not a purse?" is also flawed, because the difference between the two is ownership of the property. A locker is property of the school (a public entity), a purse is personal. In a school locker, you have no reasonable right to privacy because it's a public thing. It's not meant to be private, it's meant to store your books and keep your personal property safe (not necessarily hidden). A purse is inherently private by its nature. One isn't analogous to another.

I can see why the court would make this decision, as they've been trying to roll back the rights of students after certain cases like Tinker v. Des Moines, but the standard of search should be like what the state court said. If a cop can't do it, then a principal/teacher can't. By this standard, a school official could basically search anyone they thought did something wrong, which is so vague that it basically can amount to random searches. It gives way too much power to the educator.