president

[Reese]

Who do you want for president? bush or kerry?

[dretti]

bush, kerry is funny looking and a fuck

[Reese]

POURHADI FOR PRESIDENT! GIVING POOP TWO HOLES

[SwingingMics]

Bush.

[KarolaBloch]

bush

[Lueda Alia]

never thought I'd really see any other Bush supporters around here besides those two people on the politics forum.

but anyway... I'm Canadian.. so I can't vote.. but if I could.. I'd vote for KERRY all the way.

[StartingLine182]

Bush.

[YearsGoneBy]

never thought I'd really see any other Bush supporters around here besides those two people on the politics forum.
wow, same

uhh....i hate bush so much that im for kerry, even though im not 100% with him

but i cant vote so my voice isnt heard

[worldstheory]

I'll be voting for President Bush this November.

I'm glad to see there are so many fellow Bush-supporters on this forum. The politics forum is misleading.

[MaybeOneDay]

I think politics suck.

[Bishop]

I don't trust politicians in general.

[KarolaBloch]

yeh i thought everyone here was liberal or democratic. i hate politics too but i can't stand liberals.

[KarolaBloch]

well i can stand them. but i don't agree with what they think at all. some of them are still cool people. sorry i was a bit harsh about that.

[afs114]

if i was old enough to vote, bush

i think that the politics forum is misleading casue the bush supporters dont really care enough to trash kerry or post anything

[FallingOut]

I think theyre both douche bags but Im probably gonna vote for Kerry. It seems like we need some sort of change.

[mondeoman]

Kerry.

[ohlookitspaul]

kerry all the way.

[worldstheory]

The sad thing about this thread is that the majority of members voicing their preferred candidate are not old enough to vote. Am I right?

[Love As Arson]

Bush and Kerry are both horrible candidates. I'll be voting for Nader.

[Lueda Alia]

I find it kinda funny how all non-americans would love to vote Bush out of office if they could. seems to me like only part of America likes Bush after everything he's done.. which is all that matters in the end I guess, since they're the only ones who can vote.

I have yet to meet a non-american who's pro-Bush though.

[Alex Djaferis]

If i were american Id vote Kerry...or nothing at all.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

If I were 18, I'd vote Kerry. Its the lesser of two evils. Bush has done nothing but fuck up everything awesome Clinton did. Reagan/Bush Sr left a huge national debt. Clinton left a huge surplus. Where did Dubya put us? At least twice more in debt than we were at the end of Daddy's run as President. We had respect from diplomats around the world before Dubya came around and while no one really minded the invasion on Afghanistan(I'm not against this war), decided to invade Iraq while we were at it to find WMD's which, wouldn't you know it, didn't ever show up. He was just finishing what Daddy couldn't. And now the entire world thinks we're warhungry imperialists. Sweet Bush. The only positive thing you've ever, ever done, was the way you dealt with 9/11. That was respectable. But how about the tax cuts for your rich buddies? $2 gas? Inflation on everything else? Rising unemployment? This economy sucks, and it's your fault, because everything was good under Clinton.

Oh, by the way, you guys better not bring up Clinton and Lewinsky. I don't care if he was the President or not, even the President needs pussy sometimes, and I know if you were him, you would NOT want play from Hillary. End of story.

[Alex Djaferis]

Oh, by the way, you guys better not bring up Clinton and Lewinsky. I don't care if he was the President or not, even the President needs pussy sometimes, and I know if you were him, you would NOT want play from Hillary. End of story.

hes only human. what people do on a personal basis is no ones business.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

Exactly what I was saying.

[mwhpunk]

bush.....

i know this guy is new but why wouldn't he post it in the politics forum??

[SwingingMics]

If I were 18, I'd vote Kerry. Its the lesser of two evils. Bush has done nothing but fuck up everything awesome Clinton did. Reagan/Bush Sr left a huge national debt. Clinton left a huge surplus. Where did Dubya put us? At least twice more in debt than we were at the end of Daddy's run as President. We had respect from diplomats around the world before Dubya came around and while no one really minded the invasion on Afghanistan(I'm not against this war), decided to invade Iraq while we were at it to find WMD's which, wouldn't you know it, didn't ever show up. He was just finishing what Daddy couldn't. And now the entire world thinks we're warhungry imperialists. Sweet Bush. The only positive thing you've ever, ever done, was the way you dealt with 9/11. That was respectable. But how about the tax cuts for your rich buddies? $2 gas? Inflation on everything else? Rising unemployment? This economy sucks, and it's your fault, because everything was good under Clinton.

Oh, by the way, you guys better not bring up Clinton and Lewinsky. I don't care if he was the President or not, even the President needs pussy sometimes, and I know if you were him, you would NOT want play from Hillary. End of story.
There is declining unemployment, the economy has been growing at rates that haven't been seen in twenty years - thanks to the tax cuts, and the $2 gas first off it's summer gas prices always go up, and if you think that's bad if Kerry gets elected he is going to enforce a gas tax, so that $2 is going to be more like $2.50.

[EMO-tionRomance]

Bush.

[hXc_pwnage]

i think that the politics forum is misleading casue the bush supporters dont really care enough to trash kerry or post anything
Hahaha?

If I could, I'd vote Kerry.

[aurora]

If I could vote I would vote for Kerry despite the fact that I think he's an idiot because Bush is a bigger idiot, and like people have said, we need a change. I really dont like either of them, but its the better choice in my opinion.

[MaybeOneDay]

I strongly believe that I should be president.

[hXc_pwnage]

My friend is voting for me for president.

[ohlookitspaul]

i can unfortunately never be president. stupid natural-born citizen rule.

[Lueda Alia]

you can be PM in Canada :wink3:

[Jim Morgan]

no offense to you guys, but those voting for bush, you guys and gals are insane.

our country will fall if we are under another term with bush.

Do you see our gas prices? lack of good jobs?

Bush has spent SO MUCH of our money... we are in a greater debt than we ever have been in before. Please reconsider your vote.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

There is declining unemployment, the economy has been growing at rates that haven't been seen in twenty years - thanks to the tax cuts, and the $2 gas first off it's summer gas prices always go up, and if you think that's bad if Kerry gets elected he is going to enforce a gas tax, so that $2 is going to be more like $2.50.

Yeah...its summer and that's when gas prices go up...which would explain why my parents paid(I didn't get my own car until a month ago) over $2.15 a gallon over the winter/spring and I'm paying $1.98 or so right now. And I guess that last winter gas prices were relatively low and then after the Iraq invasion they just climbed and climbed and climbed because it was summer? Right.

The economy is growing at rates that haven't been seen in twenty years because it, during most of Bush's reign, was the lowest it had been since this little time period known as the Great Depression. It's OK though, let's vote for Bush again! Let's hear it for "hanging chads"

[13th hour]

I think theyre both douche bags but Im probably gonna vote for Kerry. It seems like we need some sort of change.

I agree, just beause I think Bush is reckless with no regard for human life. Oh yea, and he favors the rich. Kerry is a total douche who flip flops on all his positions, but the world needs to respect us.

[aurora]

All of these quotes are from none other than our brilliant president, Dubya.

"They misunderestimated me."
BENTONVILLE, ARK., NOV. 6, 2000

"They want the federal government controlling social security like it's some kind of federal program."
ST. CHARLES, MO., NOV. 2, 2000

"It's clearly a budget. It's got a lot of numbers in it."
-REUTERS, MAY 5, 2000

"The most important job is not to be governor, or first lady in my case."
-PELLA, IOWA, AS QUOTED BY THE SAN ANTONIO EXPRESS-NEWS, JAN. 30, 2000

"Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning?"
-FLORENCE, S.C., JAN. 11, 2000

"You teach a child to read and he or her will be able to pass a literacy test.''
-FEB. 21, 2001

"There's an old saying in Tennessee--I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee--that says, fool me once, shame on shame on you. Fool me you can't get fooled again."
-NASHVILLE, TENN, SEPT. 17, 2002

"I want to thank my friend, Senator Bill Frist, for joining us today. You're doing a heck of a job. You cut your teeth here, right? That's where you started practicing? That's good. He married a Texas girl, I want you to know. Karyn is with us. A West Texas girl, just like me."
-NASHVILLE, TENN. MAY 27, 2004

"I'm honored to shake the hand of a brave Iraqi citizen who had his hand cut off by Saddam Hussein."
-WASHINGTON DC, MAY 25, 2004


Yeaaaaaaaaaaaah, I'd vote for him.




Except not.

[boysdontcry]

hahahaha pure gold.

[aurora]

Seriously, they're such laughs... kind of depressing, but humorous just the same.

"Teach a child to read and he or her will be able to pass a literacy test.".... now the question I think we really need to see to is: Can our FUCKING PRESIDENT pass a literacy test?
Boo Bush, BOO.

[hXc_pwnage]

Hahaha.

[SwingingMics]

Yeah...its summer and that's when gas prices go up...which would explain why my parents paid(I didn't get my own car until a month ago) over $2.15 a gallon over the winter/spring and I'm paying $1.98 or so right now. And I guess that last winter gas prices were relatively low and then after the Iraq invasion they just climbed and climbed and climbed because it was summer? Right.

The economy is growing at rates that haven't been seen in twenty years because it, during most of Bush's reign, was the lowest it had been since this little time period known as the Great Depression. It's OK though, let's vote for Bush again! Let's hear it for "hanging chads"
Well in the winter i was paying 1.55 and I only pay 1.79 now. But I live where gas is lowest in the country.
Secondly, Bush inherited a recession from Clinton and than 9/11 spun that out of control, that had a huge effect on the economy. But to build it back after that unforseeable event that turned the economy upside down thats very commendable.

[SwingingMics]

All of these quotes are from none other than our brilliant president, Dubya.

"They misunderestimated me."
BENTONVILLE, ARK., NOV. 6, 2000

"They want the federal government controlling social security like it's some kind of federal program."
ST. CHARLES, MO., NOV. 2, 2000

"It's clearly a budget. It's got a lot of numbers in it."
-REUTERS, MAY 5, 2000

"The most important job is not to be governor, or first lady in my case."
-PELLA, IOWA, AS QUOTED BY THE SAN ANTONIO EXPRESS-NEWS, JAN. 30, 2000

"Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning?"
-FLORENCE, S.C., JAN. 11, 2000

"You teach a child to read and he or her will be able to pass a literacy test.''
-FEB. 21, 2001

"There's an old saying in Tennessee--I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee--that says, fool me once, shame on shame on you. Fool me you can't get fooled again."
-NASHVILLE, TENN, SEPT. 17, 2002

"I want to thank my friend, Senator Bill Frist, for joining us today. You're doing a heck of a job. You cut your teeth here, right? That's where you started practicing? That's good. He married a Texas girl, I want you to know. Karyn is with us. A West Texas girl, just like me."
-NASHVILLE, TENN. MAY 27, 2004

"I'm honored to shake the hand of a brave Iraqi citizen who had his hand cut off by Saddam Hussein."
-WASHINGTON DC, MAY 25, 2004


Yeaaaaaaaaaaaah, I'd vote for him.




Except not.
I could do the same for Kerry Katy. Shall I get quotes where he constantly contradicts himself and flip flops?

[torch]

I think it'd be pretty easy for anyone to get some Bush/Cheney quotes flip-flopping all over the war in Iraq.

I'd vote Kerry because he's got some great things going for him. Mainly because he's not Bush.

[13th hour]

The thing that we have to worry about is the international community. While I respect bush for standing by his decisions, something that Kerry does not seem to grasp, the rest of the world hates Bush, and even if he does have some great ideas, which is arguable, only the British and the Israelis would support him. Seriously, Bush could come up with a foolproof plan for world peace, an end to world hunger, and the cure for AIDs and the rest of the world would still hate him.

[ohlookitspaul]

about that flip-flopping thing...

there's a little thing called changing your mind. people learn from their mistakes. don't tell me you've never changed your mind about anything, even if it was big and important.

[ohlookitspaul]

you can be PM in Canada :wink3:
except i dont live in canada...wait, i could crash at your place. score. :)

[13th hour]

about that flip-flopping thing...

there's a little thing called changing your mind. people learn from their mistakes. don't tell me you've never changed your mind about anything, even if it was big and important.


When your in that high of a position of power though, setting the course for your country, you need to have the ability to take a stand, even if it is unpopular with your party, you have to do the thing that you believe is the right thing to do.
It seems to me, Kerry just does things for political gain. If elected, he wont really care about what hes doing for the country as much as he'll care about his approval rating.

[ohlookitspaul]

When your in that high of a position of power though, setting the course for your country, you need to have the ability to take a stand, even if it is unpopular with your party, you have to do the thing that you believe is the right thing to do.
It seems to me, Kerry just does things for political gain. If elected, he wont really care about what hes doing for the country as much as he'll care about his approval rating.
i think bush does the same thing. pretty much. except when what he wants doesn't agree with what the country wants, he has an amazing team (unfortunately) of spin doctors that can make the country want it.

dammit, why can't his team be on our side.

[torch]

about that flip-flopping thing...

there's a little thing called changing your mind. people learn from their mistakes. don't tell me you've never changed your mind about anything, even if it was big and important.
When a person says something that enters a nation into a war, killing Americans along with nearly 10,000 innocent Iraqi civilians, it means a little more than Kerry's flip flops.

[ohlookitspaul]

When a person says something that enters a nation into a war, killing Americans along with nearly 10,000 innocent Iraqi civilians, it means a little more than Kerry's flip flops.
very true.

[torch]

I do agree with 13th hour though. Ofcourse Kerry is flip-flopping for political gain. Which may be the same reason the Bush administration is saying there's no link between Al-quida and Saddam. He's trying to duck heat so he looks better when November rolls around.

Plus Bush thinks homosexuals marrying will dissolve American families. That's reason enough.

[aurora]

I could do the same for Kerry Katy. Shall I get quotes where he constantly contradicts himself and flip flops?
Matt I realize that Kerry flip flops around, I dont even LIKE Kerry, but I think at this point we would be much better off with him than we would be with having Bush in for another term.

[Lueda Alia]

man I really wish I could vote on the Nov. elections. you just can't have Bush be in the office for another 4 years. that'd be totally insane. sure Kerry might not be the perfect president, but at this point, I think anyone would be better than Bush.

I don't understand why people stick to the party they always support sometimes, even if they make wrong decisions and what not.

[Lueda Alia]

Oh and I think you all should see this if you haven't yet, cause I find it hilarious: http://www.wketchup.com/


hahahahahaha. I have no words for it.

[The Bled 13]

This is depressing that some actually think their is hope with Bush.

Kerry isn't the best candidate, but he is better than Bush.

Come on, just admit it.. you know he isn't that great.

[hXc_pwnage]

I don't like Kerry. He is a douche.

But Bush is like...a fucking douche. Times 10.

[ohlookitspaul]

Oh and I think you all should see this if you haven't yet, cause I find it hilarious: http://www.wketchup.com/


hahahahahaha. I have no words for it.

omg that has GOT to be a joke. that's too funny.

[13th hour]

Oh and I think you all should see this if you haven't yet, cause I find it hilarious: http://www.wketchup.com/


hahahahahaha. I have no words for it.
Its cool their supporting the troops, but, cmon, a fucking bipartisian ketchup? The end of the world is right around the corner.

[torch]

ABC’s Good Morning America
In an on-air taste test between W Ketchup and Heinz, W Ketchup was judged as tasting “more conservative, with a sweeter, more compassionate taste.”
July 7, 2004

Hahaha.

[worldstheory]

sure Kerry might not be the perfect president, but at this point, I think anyone would be better than Bush.That's some dangerous thinking there.

[ohlookitspaul]

That's some dangerous thinking there.
ok so maybe not ANYONE...i mean, there's always satan, the antichrist (although the vatican has hinted that bush may be the antichrist), manson, jeffrey dahmer and the like...

[worldstheory]

All of these quotes are from none other than our brilliant president, Dubya.

"They misunderestimated me."
BENTONVILLE, ARK., NOV. 6, 2000

"They want the federal government controlling social security like it's some kind of federal program."
ST. CHARLES, MO., NOV. 2, 2000

"It's clearly a budget. It's got a lot of numbers in it."
-REUTERS, MAY 5, 2000

"The most important job is not to be governor, or first lady in my case."
-PELLA, IOWA, AS QUOTED BY THE SAN ANTONIO EXPRESS-NEWS, JAN. 30, 2000

"Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning?"
-FLORENCE, S.C., JAN. 11, 2000

"You teach a child to read and he or her will be able to pass a literacy test.''
-FEB. 21, 2001

"There's an old saying in Tennessee--I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee--that says, fool me once, shame on shame on you. Fool me you can't get fooled again."
-NASHVILLE, TENN, SEPT. 17, 2002

"I want to thank my friend, Senator Bill Frist, for joining us today. You're doing a heck of a job. You cut your teeth here, right? That's where you started practicing? That's good. He married a Texas girl, I want you to know. Karyn is with us. A West Texas girl, just like me."
-NASHVILLE, TENN. MAY 27, 2004

"I'm honored to shake the hand of a brave Iraqi citizen who had his hand cut off by Saddam Hussein."
-WASHINGTON DC, MAY 25, 2004


Yeaaaaaaaaaaaah, I'd vote for him.




Except not.I've gotta agree with you, Katy, that those quotes are pretty hilarious; but I don't see how they prove any sort of a point about his abilities as a leader. One doesn't need flawless diction to be an effective President. Some of the wisest people I've ever heard are the product of Southern or Midwestern upbringing, and lack the rhetoric that is esteemed by snobbish scholars as the only right way to speak. Not only that, but President Bush's grammar is FAR from horrible. Maybe if your exposure to him is isolated to a Bush-isms Day Calendar, then you will be under the impression that every other line he spouts is filled with mangled rhetoric. It's really not the case, these quotes have been culled from years of quotes he has made.

Not only that, but some of these (such as "A West Texas girl, just like me") are not wrongly spoken, just misunderstood. And as for "I'm honored to shake the hand of a brave Iraqi citizen who had his hand cut off by Saddam Hussein," am I wrong to assume that the man has another hand?

[hXc_pwnage]

Except for all of the dates are between 2000-2004.

[ohlookitspaul]

I've gotta agree with you, Katy, that those quotes are pretty hilarious; but I don't see how they prove any sort of a point about his abilities as a leader. One doesn't need flawless diction to be an effective President. Some of the wisest people I've ever heard are the product of Southern or Midwestern upbringing, and lack the rhetoric that is esteemed by snobbish scholars as the only right way to speak. Not only that, but President Bush's grammar is FAR from horrible. Maybe if your exposure to him is isolated to a Bush-isms Day Calendar, then you will be under the impression that every other line he spouts is filled with mangled rhetoric. It's really not the case, these quotes have been culled from years of quotes he has made.

Not only that, but some of these (such as "A West Texas girl, just like me") are not wrongly spoken, just misunderstood. And as for "I'm honored to shake the hand of a brave Iraqi citizen who had his hand cut off by Saddam Hussein," am I wrong to assume that the man has another hand?
you would think, though, that with his crack team of speech-writers and PR people, not to mention that Yale and Harvard education him and his people always talk about, he wouldn't make mistakes like that. i mean, i agree totally that bad grammar does not mean you're stupid. but for someone who has been raised in privilege, gone to the best schools, is supposed to be the "leader of the free world"...that's not acceptable.

[worldstheory]

you would think, though, that with his crack team of speech-writers and PR people, not to mention that Yale and Harvard education him and his people always talk about, he wouldn't make mistakes like that. i mean, i agree totally that bad grammar does not mean you're stupid. but for someone who has been raised in privilege, gone to the best schools, is supposed to be the "leader of the free world"...that's not acceptable."Not acceptable"? What are you, the Grammar Police? Not many of these quotes even appear to be from a prepared speech. And even if they were, you're saying that it's realistic for someone (ANYONE?) to never make a mistake? I've listened to him speak, and he is usually flawless (except maybe "nucular" COUGHCOUGH). You know, you can find books and day calendars that scrutinize quotes from ANY recent major politician. Don't be so quick to decide what kind of grammar (GRAMMAR!) is "not acceptable".

[worldstheory]

Except for all of the dates are between 2000-2004.I assume this is in reply to my "these quotes have been culled from years of quotes he has made." Can we agree that four and a half years warrants a plurality?

[hXc_pwnage]

Yes, but I read it as an imply of over more than his years in presidency.

[aurora]

I've gotta agree with you, Katy, that those quotes are pretty hilarious; but I don't see how they prove any sort of a point about his abilities as a leader. One doesn't need flawless diction to be an effective President. Some of the wisest people I've ever heard are the product of Southern or Midwestern upbringing, and lack the rhetoric that is esteemed by snobbish scholars as the only right way to speak. Not only that, but President Bush's grammar is FAR from horrible. Maybe if your exposure to him is isolated to a Bush-isms Day Calendar, then you will be under the impression that every other line he spouts is filled with mangled rhetoric. It's really not the case, these quotes have been culled from years of quotes he has made.

Not only that, but some of these (such as "A West Texas girl, just like me") are not wrongly spoken, just misunderstood. And as for "I'm honored to shake the hand of a brave Iraqi citizen who had his hand cut off by Saddam Hussein," am I wrong to assume that the man has another hand?
I understand what you are saying Brenton, and I assure you I do not make my judgements on Bush based on silly things like mishaps in grammar and speech. I dont see him as a fit leader for a myriad of other reasons, those quotes are merely for my enjoyment. :D

[ohlookitspaul]

"Not acceptable"? What are you, the Grammar Police? Not many of these quotes even appear to be from a prepared speech. And even if they were, you're saying that it's realistic for someone (ANYONE?) to never make a mistake? I've listened to him speak, and he is usually flawless (except maybe "nucular" COUGHCOUGH). You know, you can find books and day calendars that scrutinize quotes from ANY recent major politician. Don't be so quick to decide what kind of grammar (GRAMMAR!) is "not acceptable".
all right, i'll admit that "not acceptable" is perhaps a bit too aggressive of a statement (well, technically, an adjectival phrase, but we won't get into that) on my part.

yes, everyone makes grammar mistakes. i know that bad grammar is not a sign of studitiy, or vice versa. i know many people with horrible grammar but are very astute and clever people.

i personally find it inexcusable for a yale and harvard grad (admitted supposedly on his high level of academics and intelligence?) and THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES to make mistakes like that in the public. but that's my opinion so we can leave that out.

i wouldn't mind a president that made silly mistakes, bushisms, quayleisms, whatever you want to talk about, as long as he was a good president. or an honest one at least. one, perhaps, who didn't lie about the fact that he was once arrested for drunk driving.

[The Bled 13]

The only dangerous thinking would be the idea that Bush can make this fucking mess any better if you guys give him another 4 years.

Do you research, and read your history books.

What happend to The Ottoman Empire when they tried to hold occupation? We can't last forever you know and Bush is only fucking us in the ass so he doesn't deserve a second term to fuck us harder.

For christ sakes, get a grip, and vote him out of office.