Double Disc Albums

[Kid B]

Do you think that Double Disc albums are a good path to venture for a band?

[versus_god]

If all of the songs are good.

[Kid B]

Fair enough.

[Angylion Gefell]

If one of them is a DVD, it pisses me off.

[Kid B]

Lol I don't think that generally is a dd album.

[x togepi x]

i can't really think of any good double disc cds that are good besides the white album.

double LPs are sweet as hell though.

[Kid B]

No IDOTG posts yet? I'm insulted.

[x togepi x]

well since say anything is like the worst band in music, i'd say it's a good thing nobody's said that.

[AP_Punk]

teehee

[Kid B]

Lol It was sarcasm, silly.

[x togepi x]

someone will say it though.

[taintedlover]

if it is very good music then yes and if all the songs are worth listening to

[Kid B]

Yup.

Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness, anyone?

[Nevuk]

What about the Merzbox? 60 hours of unedited music, mmm.

[thesafeword]

What about IDOTG?

[El_Jeffe]

usually unnecessary in most cases & seldom do they seem to be strong albums, in their entirity. but there's obvious exceptions to every rule. songs in the key of life, the abattoir blues/the lyre of orpheus, quadrophenia, etc

[theguy77]

its cool if the two discs have seperate themes. its stupid if you want ot just throw 26 random songs together. you also have to be consistent dont make it a 2 hour snoozefest.

[Eric.]

red hot chili peppers - stadium arcadium was pretty good

[Brokenhill]

The Wall

/Thread.

And, Mellon Collie...

[Brokenhill]

I personally love double discs, even more so if they are concept/story albums.

[x togepi x]

The Wall

/Thread.

And, Mellon Collie...

both of these albums are classic examples as to why double albums probably shouldn't be made: filler.

[TheOtherAndrew]

Even the White Album has filler.

[x togepi x]

sure it does, but the quality of the not filler songs is much higher than any pink floyd or smashing pumpkins album.

[ForeverDelayed]

To add to the list of good ones...

George Harrison - All Things Must Pass (originally 3 LPs)
Miles Davis - Bitches Brew
The Clash - London Calling + The Vanilla Tapes (the original was 2 LPs, and you can get it on 1 CD... but I like the bonus disc... comes with a DVD too, so I guess it's technically a 3 disc set)
The Clash - Sandinista! (not as good as LC, but nowhere near as bad as some people want you to think, it's actually pretty damn good)



I can't think of many recent bands that made double albums that were worth listening to. And being a double album will make it more expensive, so if a new band was seriously considering this and asked me for my advice, I'd say no. Make a solid, focused single album with no filler, that always beats a double album with a ton of throwaways that wanders aimlessly.

[ForeverDelayed]

Even the White Album has filler.
Other than Revolution 9, where?

[TheOtherAndrew]

sure it does, but the quality of the not filler songs is much higher than any pink floyd or smashing pumpkins album.
Obviously I wasn't making an argument for either of those bands, believe me.

[x togepi x]

Other than Revolution 9, where?

revolution 9 is not filler. it's the best song on the album by far



i'm not joking.

[TheOtherAndrew]

Other than Revolution 9, where?
Honey Pie, while fun to listen to once or twice, is just kinda what the fuck-ish.
Revolution 1 is shitty compared to the single version.
I'm So Tired just feels like John on auto-pilot.

Also, I've never been a fan of Dear Prudence. Obviously that doesn't make it filler, but just sayin'.

[TheOtherAndrew]

revolution 9 is not filler. it's the best song on the album by far



i'm not joking.
oh, you.

[x togepi x]

Honey Pie, while fun to listen to once or twice, is just kinda what the fuck-ish.
Revolution 1 is shitty compared to the single version.
I'm So Tired just feels like John on auto-pilot.

Also, I've never been a fan of Dear Prudence. Obviously that doesn't make it filler, but just sayin'.

the birthday song

[ForeverDelayed]

revolution 9 is not filler. it's the best song on the album by far



i'm not joking.
I like it, but it gets old. It's definitely innovative and an interesting listen, I'm just not in the mood for it very often.

[TheOtherAndrew]

the birthday song
haha, I guess. Its enjoyable for what it is.

[TheOtherAndrew]

Revolution 9 is interesting for the first 3 minutes then just becomes redundant.

[x togepi x]

oh, you.

it is. it and the end of a day in the life are my favorite beatles songs.

[ForeverDelayed]

Honey Pie, while fun to listen to once or twice, is just kinda what the fuck-ish.
Revolution 1 is shitty compared to the single version.
I'm So Tired just feels like John on auto-pilot.

Also, I've never been a fan of Dear Prudence. Obviously that doesn't make it filler, but just sayin'.
I love Honey Pie and I'm So Tired. I like Revolution 1, but I have to agree, the single version is a lot better. And Dear Prudence is in my Beatles top 10, how can you not like that song? Oh well, to each their own.

[x togepi x]

Revolution 9 is interesting for the first 3 minutes then just becomes redundant.

i wish it was a lot longer.

[TheOtherAndrew]

it is. it and the end of a day in the life are my favorite beatles songs.
Revolution 9 is interesting for the first 3 minutes then just becomes redundant.
this.

[ForeverDelayed]

it is. it and the end of a day in the life are my favorite beatles songs.
A Day In The Life is absolutely amazing.

[TheOtherAndrew]

I love Honey Pie and I'm So Tired. I like Revolution 1, but I have to agree, the single version is a lot better. And Dear Prudence is in my Beatles top 10, how can you not like that song? Oh well, to each their own.
it bores me i guess.

[TheOtherAndrew]

it is. it and the end of a day in the life are my favorite beatles songs.
What makes the atonal crescendos so cool in A Day in the Life is that they last for the exact right amount of time though. Revolution 9 has some cool ideas but it just becomes a clusterfuck.

[x togepi x]

What makes the atonal crescendos so cool in A Day in the Life is that they last for the exact right amount of time though. Revolution 9 has some cool ideas but it just becomes a clusterfuck.

the original version of a day in the life was a locked groove that went forever...so, i'm pretty sure it's supposed to last for a long time, which is the way it should be.

[SLoT]

I dig the fuck out of double albums. If I like the band enough I will dig bigger ideas of course. Especially if it's concept. Word. More double albums please.

[secretsociety92]

The only double album I own is Judas Priest - Nostradamus which is a concept album and the majority of the 23 songs on it are really good.

[Paulb-182]

i've never heard a double album with all good songs

so i'd say theyre more in a way of an ego trip than a good venture for a band

[hockeyguitar99]

i like double albums.

Even if there are 6 filler songs, you still get 20 good tracks as opposed to 12.

I really like the ones that Nine Inch Nails has done.

[Regards]

I know I'll get slammed for it, but I enjoyed Anorexia/Nervosa.

[wtfmates]

usually unnecessary in most cases & seldom do they seem to be strong albums, in their entirity. but there's obvious exceptions to every rule. songs in the key of life, the abattoir blues/the lyre of orpheus, quadrophenia, etc

This is the truth. Oh. and The Fragile, by NIN

Really, double albums almost always end up seeming too long, boring, full of filler, and usually to long to listen to in one sitting.

[wtfmates]

I know I'll get slammed for it, but I enjoyed Anorexia/Nervosa.

If they're sold separately, does that really count as a double cd?

and yeah some slammage is going to commence soon

[ThisIsNotDan]

White Album, The Fragile, Mellon Collie, London Calling (if that counts) are all great, albeit with a bit of filler.

why would anyone mention IDOTG? disc one was good. disc two outside of 2/3 songs was crap

[fadedmemories]

when the double album is from a band called say anything, its all right
seriously, idotg is the only double album I like

[Regards]

If they're sold separately, does that really count as a double cd?

and yeah some slammage is going to commence soon
While they did release it as seperate CD's, they were meant to be one. So I am going to go ahead and count it as a double disk.

[SickOfStars]

both of these albums are classic examples as to why double albums probably shouldn't be made: filler.

Even the 'filler' on The Wall had a purpose.

Melon Collie has tons of filler, but still over 1 disc's worth of good material. That's a rough one.


oh, and...

The River by Bruce Springsteen.

[popdisaster00]

I fucking hate the idea of a double or even triple (TEN anyone?) disc.

[popdisaster00]

i like double albums.

Even if there are 6 filler songs, you still get 20 good tracks as opposed to 12.

I really like the ones that Nine Inch Nails has done.
Filler ruins the idea of an album for me. If the entire thing isn't great, it's not even worth playing it. Just my opinion. Nothing is worse than loving 9 out of the 12 songs on a cd.

[CellarGhosts]

Even the 'filler' on The Wall had a purpose.

Melon Collie has tons of filler, but still over 1 disc's worth of good material. That's a rough one.


oh, and...

The River by Bruce Springsteen.
this.

[Neo Cassady]

Even the 'filler' on The Wall had a purpose.

Yes. That said, it's easily my favorite double album.

[3mpire]

Daydream Nation

Isn't a double album.

The White Album has tons of filler on it. I don't understand the huge praise it gets. However, it does has some of my favourite Beatle songs on it.

The Wall is probably one of my favourite double albums.

[x togepi x]

Even the 'filler' on The Wall had a purpose.

Melon Collie has tons of filler, but still over 1 disc's worth of good material. That's a rough one.


oh, and...

The River by Bruce Springsteen.

Bob, I hate to break it to you, but the Wall is fucking horrible. Only "the final cut" is worse when you're looking at Pink Floyd material. I realize each song has "a purpose", but that doesn't mean they're good.

[x togepi x]

Isn't a double album.
.

on vinyl it is.

[Anderson]

i've never heard a double album with all good songs

so i'd say theyre more in a way of an ego trip than a good venture for a bandMost double albums could do with a ruthless producer willing to bruise some egos. I think that the only double album I own is Slayer's Decade Of Aggression.:satan:

[Throwback]

Honey Pie, while fun to listen to once or twice, is just kinda what the fuck-ish.
Revolution 1 is shitty compared to the single version.
I'm So Tired just feels like John on auto-pilot.

Also, I've never been a fan of Dear Prudence. Obviously that doesn't make it filler, but just sayin'.
I'm So Tired is one of my favorite Lennon songs. His voice sounds so weary like he barely cared about the song. That's why I like it, if that makes sense. Also the chorus is catchy as hell.

Revolution 1 >>>>>>. the single version, though I do like both, I love the 'shooby doo-wops' and Dear Prudence is also great. Honey Pie sucks.

[x togepi x]

fugazi's "i'm so tired" > beatles "i'm so tired"

[3mpire]

Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da and ... Bungalow Bill are terrible.

[mattmatumbo]

thrice? that was like a quad-ep, rhcp i guess

[Throwback]

Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da and ... Bungalow Bill are terrible.
I sort of enjoy Bungalow Bill but to me its always been the song before While My Guitar Gently Weeps and not much else.

[Throwback]

Also, Life After Death anyone? All Eyez On Me?

[Brokenhill]

both of these albums are classic examples as to why double albums probably shouldn't be made: filler.

Pink Floyd...filler? Uh, no.

TSP...maybe.

[x togepi x]

Pink Floyd...filler? Uh, no.

TSP...maybe.

You're a fan boy. The only filler-less pink floyd album is piper at the gates of dawn, which happens to be the only good one.

[hockeyguitar99]

Filler ruins the idea of an album for me. If the entire thing isn't great, it's not even worth playing it. Just my opinion. Nothing is worse than loving 9 out of the 12 songs on a cd.

I understand what your saying, but my point was that its better to get 20 songs that are good with 6 filler as opposed to 10 songs that are good and 3 filler.

[thespearkid]

As long as the album is made up of a ton of filler (like the White Album).

[Brokenhill]

You're a fan boy. The only filler-less pink floyd album is piper at the gates of dawn, which happens to be the only good one.


No. Each song on that album was written for a specific purpose to fit into the story. It's not a standard hits type album, there is no filler.

[x togepi x]

No. Each song on that album was written for a specific purpose to fit into the story. It's not a standard hits type album, there is no filler.

this does not make each song good at all, thus making some filler. Basically every song any band writes was "written for a specific purpose", so just because the band has some sort of intention for it that goes beyond stringing together some notes, doesn't make it not filler.

[Praetor]

Arguing with him is useless, he's jocking Pink Floyd far too hard to see that they're not perfect.

[Brokenhill]

this does not make each song good at all, thus making some filler. Basically every song any band writes was "written for a specific purpose", so just because the band has some sort of intention for it that goes beyond stringing together some notes, doesn't make it not filler.

"Good" is an opinion. And no, there are plenty of times where bands are like "we got 8 songs right now...but we're still working on writing some more" or whatever. As opposed to a band that has an entire concept planned out or at least though of in detail, and the only matter of finishing it is time.

[x togepi x]

"Good" is an opinion.

hence me calling you a fanboy. you're going to say anything pink floyd does is good because you're not critical of the band in the least.


And no, there are plenty of times where bands are like "we got 8 songs right now...but we're still working on writing some more" or whatever. As opposed to a band that has an entire concept planned out or at least though of in detail, and the only matter of finishing it is time.

You obviously have no idea about the writing process of anything. Having an "entire concept planned out" does not mean that parts of said concept aren't filler. It's like writing a book. You could have a coherent plot planned out in your mind from point A to point D, but that doesn't mean that points B and C aren't filler. Try reading, I can think of lots of books that have chapters that, while contributing to the overall story, were filler and only existed because they had to.

or, i can think of tons of movies that have filler scenes, most dialogue in hollywood movies could be trimmed down, yet it adds to the overall story.

much like this, i can easily say that this album is mostly filler, sure it continues a story, but it's still filler.

[Brokenhill]

hence me calling you a fanboy. you're going to say anything pink floyd does is good because you're not critical of the band in the least.




You obviously have no idea about the writing process of anything. Having an "entire concept planned out" does not mean that parts of said concept aren't filler. It's like writing a book. You could have a coherent plot planned out in your mind from point A to point D, but that doesn't mean that points B and C aren't filler. Try reading, I can think of lots of books that have chapters that, while contributing to the overall story, were filler and only existed because they had to.

or, i can think of tons of movies that have filler scenes, most dialogue in hollywood movies could be trimmed down, yet it adds to the overall story.

much like this, i can easily say that this album is mostly filler, sure it continues a story, but it's still filler.

I'm not saying all concepts don't have filler.

[x togepi x]

I'm not saying all concepts don't have filler.

You said "The Wall has no filler because all the songs have a purpose."

I said "it does have filler, songs having a purpose doesn't keep the songs from being filler."

actually, you guys are right. the wall has no filler because none of the songs on the album are any good. filler assumes there are good songs on it.

[SLoT]

You said "The Wall has no filler because all the songs have a purpose."

I said "it does have filler, songs having a purpose doesn't keep the songs from being filler."

actually, you guys are right. the wall has no filler because none of the songs on the album are any good. filler assumes there are good songs on it.
opinion respected, disagree though.

[theguy77]

double dick albums

[Jumpoff]

The only hip hop double album I can think of at the moment that wasn't plagued with filler was BTNH's Art of War... though AEOM and LAD had stronger tracks overall, they both suffered from some terrible, terrible filler.

[Paulb-182]

Most double albums could do with a ruthless producer willing to bruise some egos. I think that the only double album I own is Slayer's Decade Of Aggression.:satan:

actually the same as you

[_jonas]

Kiss Me, Kiss Me, Kiss Me has some solid stuff.

[Nevuk]

If we're doing double LPs, Young Machetes. However, I still think that album would've been better off putting 1,2,3,4 Guitars and huge golden AK 47 as B-Sides. Makes the album not drag in the middle and HGAK47 is just... meh.

[TheBaroness]

Low Level Owl

[Kid B]

Daydream Nation
White Album
London Calling

are the best double albums.
I never knew this was a double album.

[JustinDM]

I would rather have a double disc album then the band having a million b-sides that are on foreign releases, hard to find, and don't fit in when organizing your music. It's so annoying...I am looking at you New Found Glory.

[Circa1628]

I'm excited about the new Cure double album!

[thespearkid]

double dick albums
DP albums?

[MusicBox24]

I'm excited about the new Cure double album!

What if I have to agree with you once again?? You must have impeccable taste.

[Circa1628]

What if I have to agree with you once again?? You must have impeccable taste.


:celebrate: :celebrate: :celebrate: I guess so!

[Pat k]

I don't think there's much filler on Mellon Collie. Maybe 3-4 songs.

[Kid B]

I don't think Mellon Collie had any filler, referring to the last few pages. Billy Corgan was going through a ton of shit while writing that, and albeit not every song is great music wise, every song's lyrics are fantastic and each song is at least good musically.

[cscwell107]

Does this thread include talk about triple albums like The Mother, The Mechanic, and the Path. I really liked that album.

[Kid B]

No. Each song on that album was written for a specific purpose to fit into the story. It's not a standard hits type album, there is no filler.
This is true.

this does not make each song good at all, thus making some filler. Basically every song any band writes was "written for a specific purpose", so just because the band has some sort of intention for it that goes beyond stringing together some notes, doesn't make it not filler.
This is arguably true, but if you put it into those terms, every song ever is filler. The only way for it not to be filler would be if the songwriter was forced to write the song. No artist is by any means forced to record and release any song.

Isn't a double album.
It's like 75 minutes long. I wouldn't really consider it a double album though. It's got somewhere around 14 songs. If we were counting long albums as double albums, we would have to count Illinois and albums like that. Illinois has 22 songs. Not a double album.

[Kid B]

Does this thread include talk about triple albums like The Mother, The Mechanic, and the Path. I really liked that album.
Sure.

[ForeverDelayed]

I don't think Mellon Collie had any filler, referring to the last few pages. Billy Corgan was going through a ton of shit while writing that, and albeit not every song is great music wise, every song's lyrics are fantastic and each song is at least good musically.
I used to be really into the Pumpkins back in the day... but looking back years later, even their single disc albums were loaded with filler. Corgan is a fairly consistent songwriter, but the performances and production decisions tend to drag a lot of their albums down and make them instantly forgetable. Melon Collie is no exception, and it being two discs just means twice as much filler as Machina. Not that I'm really a fan of either album. Adore and Siamese Dream are where it's at.

[x togepi x]

This is arguably true, but if you put it into those terms, every song ever is filler. The only way for it not to be filler would be if the songwriter was forced to write the song. No artist is by any means forced to record and release any song.


that isn't true at all. if a song feels like the album would have been better off without it, then it's filler. Every song ever can't be filler because songs are what make the album up. like, i think the wall is way too long and has a lot of boring rehashed ideas (like seriously, do we really need another brick in the wall part whatever?), but that doesn't mean every song on the album is filler.

it's implausible that every song be filler anyway, since filler is defined in relation to the good/solid songs are. if there aren't any solid songs, you wouldn't say it's all filler, you'd say the album is bad.

[Brokenhill]

Yes you need Another Brick in the Wall part 1, 2 , and 3...they're seperate parts of the story. 3 different events that are key in understanding the overall meaning.

[x togepi x]

Yes you need Another Brick in the Wall part 1, 2 , and 3...they're seperate parts of the story. 3 different events that are key in understanding the overall meaning.

Okay, moron, I realize they serve a narrative function in the album. They are, however, mediocre and bring it down.

[_jonas]

maybe the story simply sucks but nobody wants to admit it

All the Who's rock operas are examples of this

[slenygoodbi]

Idk if this has been mentioned, i think everyone should already know what im going for...in defense of the genre ^.^ haha. it was all worth it

i honestly think anyway anyhow 2 disc albums are an awesome listen and if you really like the band why prolong it longer for another good album to come out? =]]

[Brokenhill]

Okay, moron, I realize they serve a narrative function in the album. They are, however, mediocre and bring it down.


I disagree. Part 2 is overplayed and by many overrated, but it isn't mediocre when you fit it in with the rest of the album.

[x togepi x]

I disagree. Part 2 is overplayed and by many overrated, but it isn't mediocre when you fit it in with the rest of the album.

the whole album is mediocre, so it follows that part 2 is. It is possible to repeat a narrative idea without making an entire song based around its repetition.

[FayeQC]

Stadium Arcadium was pretty bad.

[Brokenhill]

How is it repeated?

[x togepi x]

it repeats the motif that these various things are "bricks in the wall" though said line could have been in any other song, with one song setting up the general idea early.

[ForeverDelayed]

I feel the need to step in on the Wall debate. I'm a pretty big Pink Floyd fan, and I have almost all of their albums. However, The Wall is without a doubt my least favorite album they've ever done. I'm honestly not too crazy about Dark Side either. I'll stick with Piper At The Gates Of Dawn, Meddle, Wish You Were Here, Animals, and Atom Heart Mother, thanks.

[Brokenhill]

So you think they shoulda took the 3 events and put them into one song?

Well I don't see how it would matter because that song would be the same length as the 3 current combined...just 1 title instead of 3.

[Brokenhill]

I feel the need to step in on the Wall debate. I'm a pretty big Pink Floyd fan, and I have almost all of their albums. However, The Wall is without a doubt my least favorite album they've ever done. I'm honestly not too crazy about Dark Side either. I'll stick with Piper At The Gates Of Dawn, Meddle, Wish You Were Here, Animals, and Atom Heart Mother, thanks.


I'll stick with all of them, thanks.

[x togepi x]

So you think they shoulda took the 3 events and put them into one song?

Well I don't see how it would matter because that song would be the same length as the 3 current combined...just 1 title instead of 3.

No, i didn't say that at all.

I'm saying that the three events don't warrant their own songs. They could have been combined with other songs. you could have "another brick in the wall" and then have this phrase in some of the other songs.

[Brokenhill]

No, i didn't say that at all.

I'm saying that the three events don't warrant their own songs. They could have been combined with other songs. you could have "another brick in the wall" and then have this phrase in some of the other songs.

You could, but it's fine how it is. He wrote it so they would be consistant, with the phrase having a very similar sound throughout.

[x togepi x]

You could, but it's fine how it is. He wrote it so they would be consistant, with the phrase having a very similar sound throughout.

hence it being repetitive.

I don't know why i'm arguing with you. The songs could be the sounds of Roger Waters taking a dump and you'd say "it's fine how it is"

[_jonas]

hence it being repetitive.

I don't know why i'm arguing with you. The songs could be the sounds of Roger Waters taking a dump and you'd say "it's fine how it is"
you mean Meddle?

[Brokenhill]

The phrase repetive yes, but the songs, no.

[x togepi x]

you mean Meddle?

somehow that'd be less of a time than a saucerful of secrets was.

[_jonas]

somehow that'd be less of a time than a saucerful of secrets was.
the cover was a dump
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/54/Saucerful_of_secrets2.jpg

[x togepi x]

the cover was a dump
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/54/Saucerful_of_secrets2.jpg

i can't believe they released this album twice


that's right AFG, have fun collecting this shit band's vinyl when you have to buy this album twice to get some special tracks.

[Brokenhill]

Fail.

[mynameiscarterr]

Minutemen? Double Nickels on The Dime?

[Kid B]

you mean Meddle?
I thought you liked Meddle? You've recommended it to me before.

[_jonas]

I thought you liked Meddle? You've recommended it to me before.
yes, why am I so contradictory