O, And Fuck Metallica.

[Jason Tate]

Iann Robinson (MTV's former 'metal' guy) has wrote an article (http://www.metal-sludge.com/Iann-TimeToDie.htm) basically destroying Atreyu, and making fun of AFI, Thursday, Avenged Sevenfold and more.

Submitted By: Daniel O.

[Frank Giaramita]

hahaha, yeah, I read this a while back. I think he's just jealous and bitter bc he's fat and looks like a skin head with down syndrome. Too bad he couldnt re-direct his anger to where it belongs, like on food and his parents having sex.

[Jason Tate]

hahaha, yeah, I read this a while back. I think he's just jealous and bitter bc he's fat and looks like a skin head with down syndrome. Too bad he couldnt re-direct his anger to where it belongs, like on food and his parents having sex.
post of the day.

[GAD_guy]

atreyu is a horribe example of "hardcore" music becuase they are the worst hardcore band i have ever heard. that said, metallica is one god-awful band and if they have influenced any of the bands i like i don't care becuase that doesn't change the fact that they just suck.

[Frank Giaramita]

post of the day.

hahaha, too bad another one of my comments can't make it onto Drivethrurecords.com. I was soo stoked on that, like a giddy little school boy.

[Mr. Coheed]

god i HATE ian robinson and i am glad mtv fired that little fat bald headed biotch.........is it just me or does he wear a lot of hockey jerseys

THURSDAY IS THE SHIT

[ALLbUtNoThIng03]

Ian Robinson wants to bury the term "Hardcore"...this coming from a guy who collects dolls...um err action figures of the Star Wars kind.He is still in some shitty apartment in NYC..and get this he has a wife..yes world that Skinhead has a wife..now i know theres a chance for me.But out of curiousity is it "hardcore" to have Star Wars tats? I mean nothing screams "hardcore" like Jibby Jar Binks or what ever his name is on his arm...this is me ranting and i had fun
with mucho <3 for everyone but that hater Ian Robinson
-Nate

[raycer]

so exactly what part of his article is false/untrue, i might ask?

note: i havent stated my opinion on the subject

[yourdarqsecret]

i actually think iann is right. i may not agree with him in his other articles, but in this case he speaks the truth. hardcore is not Thursday, it is not Avenged Sevenfold, it is not AFI. they may have harcore influences but they definately do not get labeled as hardcore. its just like labeling something or someone as EMO. you ask any of these bands out there what kind of music they would call themselves. they will say everything and anything but emo. another thing he states that is very true is that the term hardcore is no longer a style of music, but more of a fashion or scene. you see it everyday at school or walking down the street and most often in the mall. when all is said and done, i think that it is best to let the music come first and worry about what style of music or what to label it in the shadows

[Amplifried]

hahaha, too bad another one of my comments can't make it onto Drivethrurecords.com. I was soo stoked on that, like a giddy little school boy. :wink3: :lol2:

It was indeed funny, but calm down just a tad. It's not very hard to amuse Jason. Also, Metallica indeed sucks now, but at one time they had more talent than any band mentioned on this site and are an obvious influence for bands like Thrice, etc. Blink-182's Travis Barker even sites Metallica as one of his biggest influences. This bashing of metal bands is really getting pointless.

[ALLbUtNoThIng03]

and one more thing he is pissed because his band can't be as good as Thursday,Bleeding Through,Atreyu,or Avenged Sevenfold...soo hey heres a big FUCK YOU to Ian Robinson...yet again this is me ranting
with mucho <3 for everyone but that wanna-be Kurt Loader Ian Robinson
Nate

ps. Kurt Loader could probably launch a band and it would get noticed more than Ians band..even if they sounded like the Culture Club

[Frank Giaramita]

It was indeed funny, but calm down just a tad.

niggga pleasee, if you had your comment was posted on DTR's main site under the title "best comment ever posted on a messageboard'', you'd be giddy and homo-erotic for a few seconds as well. you can't deny it, we all have our rainbow moments. :pinkie:

[not registered]

i started reading that, but then i got really bored and realized i couldn't possibly care less about what fattie says.

[Frank Giaramita]

honestly, How could this dude have worked for MTV and bash the things he bashes? He promoted people britney spears, n sync etc. yet he mainly flames the musicians who actually write their own songs and have struggled some what. Ive always hated this prick bastard and his stupid band.

p.s.- he needs that trimspa shit.

[CROMagnon]

Also, Metallica indeed sucks now, but at one time they had more talent than any band mentioned on this site and are an obvious influence for bands like Thrice, etc. Blink-182's Travis Barker even sites Metallica as one of his biggest influences. This bashing of metal bands is really getting pointless.

Yes on all points.

[Frank Giaramita]

Also, Metallica indeed sucks now, but at one time they had more talent than any band mentioned on this site and are an obvious influence for bands like Thrice, etc. Blink-182's Travis Barker even sites Metallica as one of his biggest influences. This bashing of metal bands is really getting pointless.

ditto. Metallica sucked after their original bassist (and GOD) cliff burton died. That kind of sucks for him and his family if you think about it. Not onyl is the dude dead, but he also brought down a band with him...damn, that blows.

and ive posted entirely too much in this thread.

[JustinQTN]

I'm sorry everyone but Ian is right, using the term hardcore for the bands like AV7X, Atreyu, and Thursday is like calling The Starting Line (who's music I enjoy, not hating on them) a punk band. These terms were formed in a different time and don't really match up with the kind of music that they're now being used to describe. I know there are bands that combined sounds and created a changing of the terminology, but if you go back to the original meaning of the terms you'll see that they mean something completely different.

I honestly don't know why music has to have these labels anyway. When people ask me what my band sounds like I never bust out any of these genre labelling terms, I mention bands that I think we sound like. All terms like "punk" "emo" "hardcore" "post-hardcore" "screamo" "pop-punk" etc. do is further divide music and turn people off to good music. If a band is described as "emo" I can already guarantee that they've already lost potential listeners because of that label, because some people absolutely refuse to listen to "emo" music. If you don't like something because of the way it sounds thats one thing, don't hate something because of a label someone else gave it.

And about all that Metallica hating, Metallica's last good album was the black album and its all downhill from that one.

[Frank Giaramita]

I honestly don't know why music has to have these labels anyway. When people ask me what my band sounds like I never bust out any of these genre labelling terms, I mention bands that I think we sound like. All terms like "punk" "emo" "hardcore" "post-hardcore" "screamo" "pop-punk" etc. do is further divide music and turn people off to good music. If a band is described as "emo" I can already guarantee that they've already lost potential listeners because of that label, because some people absolutely refuse to listen to "emo" music. If you don't like something because of the way it sounds thats one thing, don't hate something because of a label someone else gave it.

i agree. I refuse to label bands. If someone asks me "what does (band name here) sound like?". I'll just respond by saying "well they sound like a mix of ---- and ----" or something along those lines. Labels are confusing and force me to pre-judge.

p.s.- i have a question. Is Starting Line "emo" or "pop-punk"? (or a combination: pop-emo, emo-pop, punk-emo, emo-punk). what the fuck is the difference?

[AreTwoKay]

Kurt Loader is the man

[CROMagnon]

i agree. I refuse to label bands. If someone asks me "what does (band name here) sound like?". I'll just respond by saying "well they sound like a mix of ---- and ----" or something along those lines. Labels are confusing and force me to pre-judge.

p.s.- i have a question. Is Starting Line "emo" or "pop-punk"? (or a combination: pop-emo, emo-pop, punk-emo, emo-punk). what the fuck is the difference?
That's pretty much exactly what I do. Musical sub-genres make no sense.

[Frank Giaramita]

Kurt Loader is the man

fuck yeah! -(random thought)-does anyone remember that MTV VJ named Jesse? He was tall, lanky and half retarded. It seriously looked like they found him in a dumpster. He'd never talk in the mic and you couldnt understand a thing he was saying. It was awesome

[slim reaper]

i'm not a big fan of ian robinson, but sometimes it's hard to argue with him. don't get me wrong, i love atreyu. "suicide notes" is the album that turned me on to heavier music and i think "the curse" is undoubtably in the top 5 albums of the year. when i started reading the article, i expected him to take the "i don't really like it, so it sucks" attitude, but mainly he just objects to the overuse of the term "hardcore." i really don't like 99% of the true "hardcore" bands. i just object to the way that everyone insists on classifying everything. that's the real problem. screw it, call it weiner-in-the-butt core if you want.

[bossman calling]

wasnt this posted like a month ago?

and he's pretty much dead on.

[GlassyLight]

He's dead on. Slamming Sabbath like that and saying they're 'not their roots' is horseshit.

Also,

Why all the hate on Metallica? Say why you think they suck. I personally think that, outside of St. Anger, they haven't made a bad album. Granted, you can't force taste on someone, but jesus.

One last thing....since when does the guy's weight/hair (lack of)/ anything like that have to do with anything? If someone wearing an abercrombie and fitch shirt/pants, puka shell necklace, bleached surfer hair and a cubs hat on backwards said that AFI, A7X, or anything like that were '***s' for wearing makeup, you'd all join up against him and rail on how people shouldn't be judged by looks. Christ.

[War on errorism]

i actually think iann is right. i may not agree with him in his other articles, but in this case he speaks the truth. hardcore is not Thursday, it is not Avenged Sevenfold, it is not AFI. they may have harcore influences but they definately do not get labeled as hardcore. its just like labeling something or someone as EMO. you ask any of these bands out there what kind of music they would call themselves. they will say everything and anything but emo. another thing he states that is very true is that the term hardcore is no longer a style of music, but more of a fashion or scene. you see it everyday at school or walking down the street and most often in the mall. when all is said and done, i think that it is best to let the music come first and worry about what style of music or what to label it in the shadows

word, i totally agree.

[Frank Giaramita]

He's dead on. Slamming Sabbath like that and saying they're 'not their roots' is horseshit.

Also,

Why all the hate on Metallica? Say why you think they suck. I personally think that, outside of St. Anger, they haven't made a bad album. Granted, you can't force taste on someone, but jesus.

One last thing....since when does the guy's weight/hair (lack of)/ anything like that have to do with anything? If someone wearing an abercrombie and fitch shirt/pants, puka shell necklace, bleached surfer hair and a cubs hat on backwards said that AFI, A7X, or anything like that were '***s' for wearing makeup, you'd all join up against him and rail on how people shouldn't be judged by looks. Christ.

looks have nothing to do with anything at all...im just simply informing people that he's as fat as shamu in case they didn't notice already. So in essence, I'm being a nice guy and sharing some info with everyone else. :wink3:

[illbethereason]

that whole article was bias towards everything umm good. haha, he can have his opinion, but i think anyone could careless about what this fat 35 year old skinhead says. so yeah, just read the article for a joke cause that's what it is.

sorry about that poor typing and grammer. im tired.

[brandonrocks]

a man who used to work for mtv is critiquing what is an is not "hardcore"


hilarious

[UnderManagement]

I found all of the following replies particularly interesting, because of the fact that Robinson's argument really centers around the idea of ignorance, and these were the most ignorant replies I could find.

Ian Robinson wants to bury the term "Hardcore"...this coming from a guy who collects dolls...um err action figures of the Star Wars kind.He is still in some shitty apartment in NYC..and get this he has a wife..yes world that Skinhead has a wife..now i know theres a chance for me.But out of curiousity is it "hardcore" to have Star Wars tats? I mean nothing screams "hardcore" like Jibby Jar Binks or what ever his name is on his arm...this is me ranting and i had fun
with mucho <3 for everyone but that hater Ian Robinson
-Nate

atreyu is a horribe example of "hardcore" music becuase they are the worst hardcore band i have ever heard. that said, metallica is one god-awful band and if they have influenced any of the bands i like i don't care becuase that doesn't change the fact that they just suck.

a man who used to work for mtv is critiquing what is an is not "hardcore"


hilarious

What we have learned from these well-thought-out, intelligent replies.

a) it's not okay to like hard music and Star Wars. They're mutually exclusive.

b) subjective musical opinions make it okay to disrespect band without which you wouldn't be enjoying the same music you do today.

c) because someone was presented with a great career opportunity to work at a company largely centered around music, their opinions on *gasp* music, are void.

Now, this all being said, I take two issues with the article.

1) why such a huge emphasis on one word? It's because of this same sort of attitude that these arguments get started in the first place. Robinson's article only serves to sustain the ideas he's trying to destory.

2) Unlike the other bands mentioned, AFI have managed to carve out a particularly unique sound, and are one of the more talented rock bands around right now.

[OleBamaWilly]

Yes, he worked for MTV and railed on just about all of the crap they had. He liked the metal and that was about it. He would have had much more success had he been on there when Headbanger's Ball was around (the new one doesnt count). He wasn't your typical "MTV guy". Granted, he wasnt that great. He always acted like he was superior because he listened to metal. We all have different tastes, what music you like doesnt grant you superiority. But, he is right on the whole "hardcore" thing. I've been saying it myself. I see all these Livejournal kids talking about hardcore, and its annoying. Hardcore to me is Fugazi, Minor Threat, that old hard hitting punk. It bugs me how these kids took the name of a good and established genre of music. Yeah, labels can be dumb. "Emocore"??? Come on. But its happens, it makes classifying easier I suppose. The guy is right though, they blended metal and hardcore and just call it hardcore. I dont think it sounds much like harcore though. But they say it influenced, so I'll let it be. "Metalcore" sounds dumb, but makes more sense to me. Still dumb. And also, is it just me of does anyone else hear much much more Metallica than Green Day in Atreyu?

[weworemasks]

i dont think this guy has gone to any of these groups shows. i mean given these bands arent "hardcore" but id say the way the crowd feels the music and how intense a show is defines what hardcore is to me.

for example, glassjaw is not hardcore, but their live shows are some of the most intense things ive seen.

[IAmTheKiller]

hahaha, too bad another one of my comments can't make it onto Drivethrurecords.com. I was soo stoked on that, like a giddy little school boy.

Dude, I like Senses Fail, but I thought what you said about them/drivethru/vagrant was fucking hilarious. I enjoyed it.

[IAmTheKiller]

It's ashame he drug Thursday into this. Thursday is one of the most amazing bands around and they don't go around claiming to be hardcore or anything.

[venus/bacchus]

It's ashame he drug Thursday into this. Thursday is one of the most amazing bands around and they don't go around claiming to be hardcore or anything.
actually in an interview Geoff described themselves as "melodic hardcore"

Anyway, that article was spot on. Also, I don't know why anybody getting up in arms about it, he never insulted any of those bands. He just said he didn't enjoy them, but he can see that a lot of people do. Relax people.

The worst part about burying the term is, the hardcore scene of today is one of the best scenes I've ever been involved in. There are an incredible amount of great hardcore bands (in the original sense) coming out and hardcore is still as relevent as it was 20 years ago.

[blueprintmurder]

i agree with ian on many points on this article. does that mean that i think atreyu, afi, bleeding through, and avenged sevenfold suck? no. i own cds from all of those mentioned above and truthfully, i like them all. they are not hardcore. genres have been blended to the point that the "true" hardcore bands or "true" punk bands are scarce to be seen. bleeding through, atreyu, and avenged sevenfold, all have blended metal, hardcore, punk and emo into everything they do. they get commonly thrown into "metalcore" or "fashioncore" or whatever the fuck you want to call it. afi and thursday also combine many different styles into their music. YOU CANNOT SAY THAT THIS OR THAT BAND IS STRICTLY ONE STYLE OF MUSIC. oh and i like OLD metallic, and black sabbath, and minor threat, and all other bands mentioned in this post.

i seriously like almost all music, it gives me a twitch when someone talks shit about a band. people like what they like. high fives for them. and if someone says "oh i think that bands horrible" dont get all defensive. its either opinion, and your opinion to like them.
anybody else think im a jackass?

[punkerx99]

while i like the bands that he bashed on, he is pretty much correct. those bands aren't hardcore. also, most of you kids have no idea what real hardcore is.

The following are keeping the scene alive and making great music:
comeback kid
with honor
champion
the hope conspiracy
shai hulud
give up the ghost
scraps and heart attacks
most precious blood
agnostic front
the promise
the backup plan
stretch arm strong
good clean fun
stand & fight
the distance
death threat
diehard youth
etc.

these are older bands that made some kick ass music:
black flag
warzone
earth crisis
slapshot
minor threat
youth of today
gorilla biscuits
7 seconds
carry on
side by side
chain of strength
uniform choice
etc.

maybe that will clear some things up.

[Sureshot182]

i do not care one bit if the bands i listen to are "punk", "hardcore" or whatever. and i'm glad he acknowledged that these bands mean a lot to kids. the "punk" and "emo" bands i listen to keep me sane. i really don't know how i would get through life it it weren't for music. i'm so sick of hearing the debates over if a band is hardcore or punk or has credibility. if a band you listen to makes an impact on your life and helps you through life, then that band is great. OR if the person who wrote the song is writing from their heart, then THEY are great.

[Absolute Mest]

Atreyu isn't really hardcore... They've got more of a Metal blend into their hardcore music. I've never... until today heard them being called hardcore. Most of the people I know that listen to Atreyu call them Metalcore and I think that suits them. Atreyu is awesome... he's just confused.

[PaintTheTarget]

I'd give a big response...but I really don't think his "article" warrants such a thing. I understand some of his points, but he makes a bunch of very ignorant, snotty remarks and seems to portray an image of "I'm so much better than everyone else."

Not only was his picture of himself a really poor attempt to be cool...but did anybody else find the Lit add above his "article" to be pretty funny? If he truly believes what he says then this guy is a total sell-out, sure he made fun of some of the crappy bands on MTV...but he choose to be a part of the "MTV scene" (since he loves to talk about scenes) and make money off it. He's an arrogant douche who needs to get a life instead of worring about what other people like to listen to and call their music.

[UltimoScenester]

i do not care one bit if the bands i listen to are "punk", "hardcore" or whatever. and i'm glad he acknowledged that these bands mean a lot to kids. the "punk" and "emo" bands i listen to keep me sane. i really don't know how i would get through life it it weren't for music. i'm so sick of hearing the debates over if a band is hardcore or punk or has credibility. if a band you listen to makes an impact on your life and helps you through life, then that band is great. OR if the person who wrote the song is writing from their heart, then THEY are great.


Well put. If people stopped putting labels on their music there wouldn't be all this debating and shit.

[fftlisgoodstuff]

i wonder how long it took that overweight ***got to type that out and not make himself seem like more of a douche than he already is.

[tytyty]

He's just bitching like any other person would if they thought their opinion was worth more than 2 cents.

[ecksdash]

*Slaps forehead*... hardcore, metal, metalcore... honestly, who cares?!?!. I don't care if it's applecore. Its fuckin music. Stop the fuckin categorizing.

[xThursdayxPTWx]

I agree with some of the things he says, of course there are bands besides Metallica that could've influenced Atreyu so I don't wanna hear this shit "if they were never around blah blah". I do agree about hardcore becoming a trend rather than a movement, of course I doubt half the bands playing this music want to start a movement, it's cool writing about your emotions and stuff and giving kids something to feel when they listne to your music, and I think that should be enough.

[ohlookitspaul]

i don't really care that much, except i find it hypocritical since he worked for MTV.

[gerbacky]

Did anyone else notice the 'Lit' banner at the top of the page? Kinda funny if you ask me.

[wixmmm]

He's right, in his MAIN point (which got lost in alot of his immature ranting and ignorant/immature comments)

Emo/Punk/Screamo...whatever... NEEDS better classification.

Nothing can be figerpointed at anything anymore, and yes, i have heard all over the place that Atreyu is hardcore, but they're not and anyone who listens to hardcore, whether they like it or not, should be able to tell... but at the same time, they're not emo, they're not punk.

There are too many bands that you just can't classify, so the next best thing has to suffice.

And i think if someone says a band isn't their roots then that statement should be given complete credibility. Say i become a famous underground indie punk star and i say FUCK some band i never liked that people associate me and my music style with... i'd be damned if someone told me i was wrong in saying a band i don't like and never have liked is indeed my influence. The bands you like are what your influences are, and if THEY were in some small part influenced by Metallica or whatever WHO REALLY GIVES A SHIT.

Who does Iann Robinson think he is?

Kurt Fucking Loader?

;) (dead man on campus will always be a hillarious movie)

-Mike

[Keegan]

Now I'm not for sure but doesn't Atryeu in that article call themselves fashioncore? Who the hell cares if they don't sound like the original hardcore bands, anyone ever heard of a thing called evolution? That's one thing that pisses me off is that kids get all pissed off if a band doesn't sound like their first album but then they get pissed off when they make the same album again. Musical genres expand and if they don't then they die off or just become really shitty. Anyways when people describe Atryeu they should just say that if motley crue wanted to start a hardcore band this is what they would sound like.

Also if The Ramones can be considered punk then so can The Starting Line or does no one else remember the song "Won't you be my girlfriend?" by The Ramones? Or how about that one summer song? The Ramones were poppy as hell and The sex pistols were just a bunch of boy band fucks that had an anger problem.

Also in the first issue of AP that Thursday was on the cover of Geoff says that they're east coast hardcore not emo several times.

[AndrewLikeFire]

forget john kerry, iann for president.

[UnderManagement]

i don't really care that much, except i find it hypocritical since he worked for MTV.

Exactly how is that hypocritical?

[foreverfallen]

atreyu is a horribe example of "hardcore" music becuase they are the worst hardcore band i have ever heard. that said, metallica is one god-awful band and if they have influenced any of the bands i like i don't care becuase that doesn't change the fact that they just suck.

This is why you're a dumbass.

This article is pretty true, though I think he takes it a little too far in condemning (nearly) all modern hardcore. But I can definitely see where he's coming from.

[foreverfallen]

After going backwards through these replies I realize how little most people here know....it's really shocking. That and the abundance of ignorance.

[GAD_guy]

This is why you're a dumbass.



huh?

[Split2nd]

niggga pleasee, if you had your comment was posted on DTR's main site under the title "best comment ever posted on a messageboard'', you'd be giddy and homo-erotic for a few seconds as well. you can't deny it, we all have our rainbow moments. :pinkie:
LOL, man you're too much.

What was your comment that landed on the DTR site? What's the deal with that I didn't hear about that... ?

[OurHeartAttack]

"drive-thru/geffen told senses fail to write a good song and they were like "we can't""

[punkerx99]

Also if The Ramones can be considered punk then so can The Starting Line or does no one else remember the song "Won't you be my girlfriend?" by The Ramones? Or how about that one summer song? The Ramones were poppy as hell


when the ramones came out, the majority of music being released was by bands like led zepplin (who i do like), who would write long drugged out songs filled with solos and randomness. the ramones were punk because they went against the grain and started writing beach-boy-esque music that hadn't been popular for 10-20 years. the starting line, writes pop punk/power pop tunes at a time when bands that do the same thing are commonplace. they do nothing original. there is nothing punk about them except for the fact that their influences may be in punk bands.

[Al11]

when the ramones came out, the majority of music being released was by bands like led zepplin (who i do like), who would write long drugged out songs filled with solos and randomness. the ramones were punk because they went against the grain and started writing beach-boy-esque music that hadn't been popular for 10-20 years. the starting line, writes pop punk/power pop tunes at a time when bands that do the same thing are commonplace. they do nothing original. there is nothing punk about them except for the fact that their influences may be in punk bands.

well said.

[Throwback]

Ian Robinson is so fucking hardcore he worked for MTV.

The hypocrisy is almost unbearable.

[rcalica]

he's just as one sided as atreyu. he just pissed because all the bands he likes suck and he's jealous that more people are into better music then he is

[aaronsucks]

"When it comes to hardcore I want my grandkids to hear Cromags and AF, not Atreyu and Thursday"

he was right, except ive never heard thursday be called hardcore? when i saw thursday in his rant about hardcore, i stopped actually listening to what he had to say.

"PS Atreyu were named for The Neverending Story, does that irritate anybody else besides me?"

PS does that irritate anyone else that he has two n's in his name? what a douche bag.

[rbozz]

good to see intelligence still doesn't live in these forums.

[BrandNew]

Ian is totally right. A7, AFI, atreyu......the list goes on, are totally not hardcore. Seriously when was hardcore about girl pants, bandanas and black hair (A7 im looking your way) I love AFI but they are about as hardcore as elton john. Hardcore is essentially dead, just like punk rock. So to the fashcore kids, I dont care how comfortable girl pants are, they are still as lame as your movement.

[punkerx99]

Hardcore is essentially dead, just like punk rock.



hardcore isn't dead... read what i posted before:

The following are keeping the scene alive and making great music:
comeback kid
with honor
champion
the hope conspiracy
shai hulud
give up the ghost
scraps and heart attacks
most precious blood
agnostic front
the promise
the backup plan
stretch arm strong
good clean fun
stand & fight
the distance
death threat
diehard youth
etc.

these are older bands that made some kick ass music:
black flag
warzone
earth crisis
slapshot
minor threat
youth of today
gorilla biscuits
7 seconds
carry on
side by side
chain of strength
uniform choice
etc.

[GAD_guy]

Ian is totally right. A7, AFI, atreyu......the list goes on, are totally not hardcore. Seriously when was hardcore about girl pants, bandanas and black hair (A7 im looking your way) I love AFI but they are about as hardcore as elton john. Hardcore is essentially dead, just like punk rock. So to the fashcore kids, I dont care how comfortable girl pants are, they are still as lame as your movement.

except none of those bands would claim to be hardcore. there are plenty of newer hardcore bands that this guy doesn't mention. he chooses to mention bands that any idiot knows is screamo or metal.

[TylerH03eXc]

since when is it uncool to like something?

[Split2nd]

"drive-thru/geffen told senses fail to write a good song and they were like "we can't""
HAHA it's funny because it is ever so true

arcadiansky, go ahead, be giddy, you deserve it after that ish hahah

[nihilst]

Ian is totally right. A7, AFI, atreyu......the list goes on, are totally not hardcore. Seriously when was hardcore about girl pants, bandanas and black hair (A7 im looking your way) I love AFI but they are about as hardcore as elton john. Hardcore is essentially dead, just like punk rock. So to the fashcore kids, I dont care how comfortable girl pants are, they are still as lame as your movement.
I myself do not like fashioncore kids, but i have an equal dislike for your comment.

I'm not going to post my exact thoughts in here because they have been stated a few times already. Basically, everything i would have said makes me completely levelheaded and when you would have read it you have agreed with me.

[aaronsucks]

Ian is totally right. A7, AFI, atreyu......the list goes on, are totally not hardcore. Seriously when was hardcore about girl pants, bandanas and black hair (A7 im looking your way) I love AFI but they are about as hardcore as elton john. Hardcore is essentially dead, just like punk rock. So to the fashcore kids, I dont care how comfortable girl pants are, they are still as lame as your movement.

almost as lame as using a band you like as a username. haha.

seriously... hardcore isnt dead. you need to get out more.

[Frank Giaramita]

almost as lame as using a band you like as a username. haha.

seriously... hardcore isnt dead. you need to get out more.

in my opinion all hardcore sounds the same. have deep palm muted chords followed by typical weird sounding high pitched chords. add some double bass and you have yourself every hardcore song in the world. That's just how I feel though.