Running In Circles, It's You I'm Thinking Of

[Jared Kaufman]

You can read quite an interesting interview with Richard of Drive-Thru Records right here (www.gamefoe.co.uk/interviews/dtr.php).

Submitted By ChidosBros

[JeffPopular]

holy shit talk about brutal honesty in its utmost form...oh hell yes - such a good read.

[NFGmoviestar]

haha he really went out on vagrant

[The Silencer]

my favorite parts are when he talks about "jumping ont he bandwagon" which he afmits to doing, then he makes fun of other labels who do the same thing...wtf?

and "some people are wrong sometimes, like Senses Fail" hahahahaha

[anyone new york]

I am sure there were more bands than finch and glassjaw screaming.

[Frank Giaramita]

I am sure there were more bands than finch and glassjaw screaming.

very very few popular bands back then mized the screaming and singing. I remember listening too Finch's old version of What It is to burn for teh first time in november of 2001 and saying to myself.."what the fuck is this??!"

[Frank Giaramita]

that interview was bomb, I love DTR's blunt/unprofessional approach on things, it rocks.

[punkerx99]

what happened with senses fail?

best labels ever: bridge nine and equal vision...

[Billy]

That was interesting.

[Jim Morgan]

wow they really hate senses fail

[formyownheart]

interesting how he said the guy from victory was jealous hmmm maybe victory will steal a band from them ....

[Frank Giaramita]

what happened with senses fail?

best labels ever: bridge nine and equal vision...

What happened to them? Ill tell you what happened...They were all diagnosed with the retard disease and can't write good music.

(actually vagrant stole them from DTR, so they're officially a vagrant band now.)

[formyownheart]

what happened with senses fail?

best labels ever: bridge nine and equal vision...
where have you been fo' serious dude, but yea equal vision does kick ass

[anyone new york]

very very few popular bands back then mized the screaming and singing. I remember listening too Finch's old version of What It is to burn for teh first time in november of 2001 and saying to myself.."what the fuck is this??!"


Didn't the dude from RX do the screams for Finch's first release?

From Autumn To Ashes release came out before Finch, I know their 3 song demo did.

What about Grade?

What about Thursday, Waiting came out in 99.

[coandca33]

tehy might not jump on the bandwagon but half their roster all has the same sound

[Coronary Parasite]

good interview, i know who the british band is, they signed them, i heard dtr is not going to let senses fail "get away with that behavior" and "neither is vagrant"

but i really have to disagree with the no other bands were screaming thing, richard should've been hanging out on LI, they've been screaming for years, glassjaw wasn't the first hardcore/metal/alternative type band...

[punkerx99]

how did vagrant steal them? sorry i'm a little slow because i don't like senses fail.

[Frank Giaramita]

Didn't the dude from RX do the screams for Finch's first release?

From Autumn To Ashes release came out before Finch, I know their 3 song demo did.

What about Grade?

What about Thursday, Waiting came out in 99.

oh yeha, there was def bands doing it. But non of them were big, thursday, grade, and fata were relatively unknown back than. Atleast to mainstream.

[Sureshot182]

great interview. i love how richard doesn't give a shit about what people think and doesn't seem obsessed with money. and he never said he jumped on any bandwagon.

[poopie pants]

wow....what a bitter bitter dude. Hmmmmm...they don't jump on the bandwagon.....that's pretty funny....cause every dtr band is a copy of another. What about Halifax? Are they not screamo? And Vagrant...definitely doesn't jump on trends......look at every band they have. There are only a few Vagrant bands that are what's "popular" right now....and bands like FATA signing to them..isn't because they're looking for a new trend...FATA wanted a new label....i remember was looking into majors even.....and so Vagrant liked them..and put an offer on the table. That Drive-thru guy has to stop hating before it comes back to him. All he's doing is saying how all these labels are jealous of his..yet....he just makes it seem like HE is the one who is jealous

[Aileen]

he should grow up

[xLOCUST REIGNx]

what happened with senses fail?

best labels ever: bridge nine and equal vision...

Bridge 9 owns.

[BradFoSho]

There are alot of stupid replys so far.

[xLOCUST REIGNx]

Richard and Stefanie both think that theyre fucking royalty, and they seem to have a problem with every band or label in the business. As much as anyone can deny that they (richard and stefanie) are assholes, you have to look at the fact that they are the common denominators in all of this.


Oh, and I hope Senses Fail fails miserably at every attempt that they make to do anything that has to do with making music.

[starglorystar]

Richard and Stefanie both think that theyre fucking royalty, and they seem to have a problem with every band or label in the business. As much as anyone can deny that they (richard and stefanie) are assholes, you have to look at the fact that they are the common denominators in all of this.


Oh, and I hope Senses Fail fails miserably at every attempt that they make to do anything that has to do with making music.

Did you ever think that they might have a problem with everyone in the business for a reason? Did you ever stop to think that maybe they might be some of the only straight forward people in the scene? But yeah, SF needs to die soon!!

[BrandNew20]

the only thing that made me mad about the interview is that he said there was nothing good on Vagrant, when vagrant has the likes of The Alkaline Trio and .moneen. still on its roster...as for the rest, I don't blame him about being bitter towards the record industry. If you had your best selling bands taken from you over the course of 5 years, you'd become jaded too.

[anyone new york]

Grade was popular, Thursday was popular. The whole scene was a lot less popular back then, but given the popularity inflation rate, I would say back when Grade came out they were just up there with Taking Back Sunday now. Grade would sell out places. Vagrant has FATA and SF who else screams on them, I think Vagrant has better bands than DTR. Drive Thru just loses all of their bands to other labels so they hate. Dashboard was a big loss and I am sure they lost some other big names. So what if Vagrant wanted to sign Boys Night Out, I am sure there are 100 labels who want to, they play whats popular right now and people like them. If it was wong for Vagrant to try to take Boys Night Out, wasn't it wrong for Ferret to take them from One Day Savior? That is how it works, just because DTR can't take anyone they hate.

[Kid_Dynamite]

very very few popular bands back then mized the screaming and singing. I remember listening too Finch's old version of What It is to burn for teh first time in november of 2001 and saying to myself.."what the fuck is this??!"

come on...that was just b/c u only listened to pop punk before....ther was always screaming...maybe not that poppy like today but anyway


hell yea to the guy who likes bridge nine :)

[InaGreendase]

Halifax is NOT screamo. In ANY variation. Thanks.

[punkerx99]

thanks for the bridge 9 comment... :lol2:

i can't find the new Champion cd anywhere!! it's really pissing me off.

[punkerx99]

Halifax is NOT screamo. In ANY variation. Thanks.

of course they're not. screamo= blood brothers, circle takes the square, saetia, etc.

[ShoeSh1ne]

That was an awesome interview. I hope the bands that went to Geffen go back to DTR.

[Frank Giaramita]

come on...that was just b/c u only listened to pop punk before....ther was always screaming...maybe not that poppy like today but anyway


hell yea to the guy who likes bridge nine :)

so you're telling me there were screamo on labels as big as Drive thru/Geffen in 2001?

[The Bled 13]

I guess he hasn't heard of labels such as Threeoneg and Hydra Head, whatta douche.

[anyone new york]

Drive Thru wasn't Geffen in 2001, there were bands on labels screaming in early 90's. Kid Dyanmite hit the nail on the head. Everyone use to think that Mest was the hardest band around on this site. Drive Thru jumps and trends and band wagons as much as everyone else.

[Frank Giaramita]

I guess he hasn't heard of labels such as Threeoneg and Hydra Head, whatta douche.

I guess i'll need to post my original post again bc you obviously didnt read it. There were relatively no POPULAR (mainstream/major label/big/well known) "screamo" (based on what Richard Reines considers screamo- Finch, GlassJaw etc.) around in 2001. Hydra Head and Threeongg are not POPULAR, mainstream, big, well known labels by any means and they are not 1/4 as popular as DTR/MCA is (a label finch was signed to in 2001).

[CROMagnon]

"you can like something on Vagrant which, nothing on that label is great basically"
-Richard Reines

i understand the hostility, but three words hoss: Saves The Day

[Frank Giaramita]

Drive Thru wasn't Geffen in 2001, there were bands on labels screaming in early 90's. Kid Dyanmite hit the nail on the head. Everyone use to think that Mest was the hardest band around on this site. Drive Thru jumps and trends and band wagons as much as everyone else.
DTR was with MCA in 2001. Same Shit. Richard's point was that he signed Finch to a HUGE label before HUGE labels were signing that stuff, now every big label is. I mean of course there were bands screaming in the ealry 90's... no shit, everyone knows that, but none of them were signed to a label that hosted mainstream (pop-punk, MTV) kind of rock. richard is saying he started that and was the first too host it on a mainstream (his label) level.

[starglorystar]

"you can like something on Vagrant which, nothing on that label is great basically"
-Richard Reines

i understand the hostility, but three words hoss: Saves The Day

How about I add two more words.........Alkaline Trio!!

[Frank Giaramita]

"you can like something on Vagrant which, nothing on that label is great basically"
-Richard Reines

i understand the hostility, but three words hoss: Saves The Day

Get up kids too. Drive thru tried signing Get up kids as their first band EVER. SO i cant understand how Richard cannot like them.

[ParisInFlames55]

.that whole thing about the finch being the only band to scream is way wrong, but who cares i guess. finch is a great band and i will admit they definetly opened up the world to the screaming side of music. thats just because drive thru pushes the hell out of all their bands. i give that label a huge amount of respect in that area. no band in that "family" goes unnoticed.

[CROMagnon]

How about I add two more words.........Alkaline Trio!!
right dude
i mean, i like some of the dtr bands, a couple i love, but GUK, Saves the Day and Alkaline Trio destroy anything on that label

[starglorystar]

right dude
i mean, i like some of the dtr bands, a couple i love, but GUK, Saves the Day and Alkaline Trio destroy anything on that label

I'm not too big on GUK, but I agree. I think he made that statement without thinking first. But I still love the way he is straight-forward and brutal with what he says.

[NFGmoviestar]

How about I add two more words.........Alkaline Trio!!
reggie and the full effect

[NFGmoviestar]

i think hes just so pissed at vagrant he doesnt think before he talks

[Frank Giaramita]

i think hes just so pissed at vagrant he doesnt think before he talks

I'd be pissed as well, if a label took TWO of my bands. but yeah, i agree, he def should think more before he bashes them.

[CROMagnon]

I'm not too big on GUK, but I agree. I think he made that statement without thinking first. But I still love the way he is straight-forward and brutal with what he says.
and let's not forget dashboard

but yeah, he is just ballsy

[surfwaxsideshow]

Vagrant destroys drive thru in ever way, shape, and form. The Get Up Kids/Reggie/New Ams, Saves the Day, Alkaline Trio, Dashboard, and Hot Rod Circuit are equalled by only the Rx Bandits as far as dtr bands go.

What people have to realize is that drive thru was always hopping on trends. Two years ago every band on that label was pop punk. The only difference is that all those bands were at least decent and a lot more people find pop punk acceptable than people who find screamo acceptable. The trend then was pop punk. The trend now is shitty wannabe dark sounding bands with terrible screaming. And the bands that DTR signs as a risk, as in a band that doesn't fit this screamo stereotype, all of them suck a lot. Hellogoodbye? Steel Train? Hopefully Halifax and Jenoah are a sign of things to come, and Socratic and HIPV are a sign of what is on the way out.

[starglorystar]

Hopefully Halifax and Jenoah are a sign of things to come, and Socratic and HIPV are a sign of what is on the way out.

As far as this matter is concerned Halifax and HIPV kick Socratics and Jenoahs asses up and down the playground.

[piebaldkid42]

The only record label owner that I can think of that was that honest, is Suge Knight.

With that being said.. what is this guys beef with Vagrant? The only bands on Vagrant worth listening to are Moneen and The Get Up Kids/New Amsterdams everything else we can do without.

What's was the whole Fall Out Boy bit?

Victory does sign some shitty bands.
imagine if fall out boy was on rushmore records? look how far theyve gotten on island, that seems to have worked out quite well for them. to me it almost seems like island is the place to go for bands that would like to be bigger but dont totally want to over do it (fall out boy, thursday, cky, etc.)

[piebaldkid42]

As far as this matter is concerned Halifax and HIPV kick Socratics and Jenoahs asses up and down the playground.
agreed, though i dont hate jenoah or socatic or anything like that, i think hipv and halifax are definately better imo

[starglorystar]

imagine if fall out boy was on rushmore records? look how far theyve gotten on island, that seems to have worked out quite well for them. to me it almost seems like island is the place to go for bands that would like to be bigger but dont totally want to over do it (fall out boy, thursday, cky, etc.)

FOB made their mark on FBR and were a favorite of many way before they got signed to island

[punkerx99]

true, but the man makes a good point. Island is by far the best major label: thrice, thursday, autopilot off, fall out boy, andrew wk, the bronx, etc.

they seem to be one of the only big labels that actually cares about the artist.

[xLOCUST REIGNx]

meh. If I were Richard, I would be happy that senses fail is on vagrant now.

[Frank Giaramita]

meh. If I were Richard, I would be happy that senses fail is on vagrant now.

I woudlnt be happy, bc they're still alive and writing music.

[starglorystar]

meh. If I were Richard, I would be happy that senses fail is on vagrant now.

I won't be happy till they die or atleast stop making "music"

[starglorystar]

I woudlnt be happy, bc they're still alive and writing music.

That's almost exactly what I just said!!

[Frank Giaramita]

That's almost exactly what I just said!!

hahaha, props :wink3:

[OnLegendary21]

the only thing that made me mad about the interview is that he said there was nothing good on Vagrant, when vagrant has the likes of The Alkaline Trio and .moneen. still on its roster...as for the rest, I don't blame him about being bitter towards the record industry. If you had your best selling bands taken from you over the course of 5 years, you'd become jaded too.

Yea that kinda pissed me off too. The trio are great guys and they don't deserve that. So fuck that guy and his shitty bands. I honestly don't give a damn how nice you are, if you're making shitty music I'm not going to buy it. They had The Movielife (which I love) and that's it. They were the only good band on that entire label.

[crappypants]

very very few popular bands back then mized the screaming and singing. I remember listening too Finch's old version of What It is to burn for teh first time in november of 2001 and saying to myself.."what the fuck is this??!"

Arcadiansky, you are missing the point. You are right, they were one of the first popular screamo bands but Richard was trying to say they were one of the first screaming bands out there and drive thru is sweet because they got them, which is a bogus statement.

He said "we signed Finch when nobody was screaming." What kiddynamite and newyork are saying is Richard's statement is complete bullshit and I agree. Nobody was screaming when they signed Finch? My ass. There are so many bands out there that were around way before Finch.

[ihatepunk]

Grade was popular, Thursday was popular. The whole scene was a lot less popular back then, but given the popularity inflation rate, I would say back when Grade came out they were just up there with Taking Back Sunday now. Grade would sell out places. Vagrant has FATA and SF who else screams on them, I think Vagrant has better bands than DTR. Drive Thru just loses all of their bands to other labels so they hate. Dashboard was a big loss and I am sure they lost some other big names. So what if Vagrant wanted to sign Boys Night Out, I am sure there are 100 labels who want to, they play whats popular right now and people like them. If it was wong for Vagrant to try to take Boys Night Out, wasn't it wrong for Ferret to take them from One Day Savior? That is how it works, just because DTR can't take anyone they hate.


man, RELAX about who was first... jesus does it matter? screaming has been a part of music long before grade or finch or thursday. this 'ohh they were doing it before so and so' is so fucking high school.

[ihatepunk]

Arcadiansky, you are missing the point. You are right, they were one of the first popular screamo bands but Richard was trying to say they were one of the first screaming bands out there and drive thru is sweet because they got them, which is a bogus statement.

He said "we signed Finch when nobody was screaming." What kiddynamite and newyork are saying is Richard's statement is complete bullshit and I agree. Nobody was screaming when they signed Finch? My ass. There are so many bands out there that were around way before Finch.

mike patton was screaming before all those bands and a thousand singers were doing it before him so settle down people.

[Frank Giaramita]

Arcadiansky, you are missing the point. You are right, they were one of the first popular screamo bands but Richard was trying to say they were one of the first screaming bands out there and drive thru is sweet because they got them, which is a bogus statement.

He said "we signed Finch when nobody was screaming." What kiddynamite and newyork are saying is Richard's statement is complete bullshit and I agree. Nobody was screaming when they signed Finch? My ass. There are so many bands out there that were around way before Finch.

i understand that, but im syaing when he says "nobody" he's not literally speaking bc he and everyone else knows there has been bands screaming, singing, making noises, farting since only god knows when. When he says "nobody" he doesnt literally mean.."not a single band was screaming when we signed finch" bc the dude isnt that stupid. I guess the statement is just open for interpretation though.

[IamNogreatMan]

Man, i love richard.

[Burnout2888]

As much as I enjoyed that interview, I bet Richard signed Senses Fail the moment he heard "NOOOOOOOWWWW I'M INNNSSAAANNNNEEE!!!!!" Definitely bandwagon hopping there.

[oiga boiga]

Taken from the interview:

"you can like something on Vagrant which, nothing on that label is great basically"

Ok how about fucking Hey Mercedes, which is still pretty much Braid. One of the hardest working/original/indie/nice bands of all time. And if it wasn't for that band, I'm sure your label wouldn't even fucking exist, along with most of the bands on it. If you hate the label, you can atleast respect their band(s). Total bullshit this is.

[IPS Josh]

Drive Thru posts always get loads of comments. It doesn't matter what it's about; they get comments. I am looking forward to seeing the direction they will take this label and Rushmore. Cheers!

JOSHau3rn

[NFGmoviestar]

FOB made their mark on FBR and were a favorite of many way before they got signed to island
they had gotten asked to move up to island but they didnt want to move that fast so island made a deal with fueled by ramen that they would release one cd but it would have major label backings

[NFGmoviestar]

jesus screamed first

http://img13.photobucket.com/albums/v38/blancomeow83/jesus-saves-walmart.jpg

[projectmayhem16]

jesus screamed first

http://img13.photobucket.com/albums/v38/blancomeow83/jesus-saves-walmart.jpgLMFAO

[ChiodosBros]

Anyone remember "90 Pound Wuss"? I know they were not the first but they were definitely before the screaming got popular.

[Kid_Dynamite]

i understand that, but im syaing when he says "nobody" he's not literally speaking bc he and everyone else knows there has been bands screaming, singing, making noises, farting since only god knows when. When he says "nobody" he doesnt literally mean.."not a single band was screaming when we signed finch" bc the dude isnt that stupid. I guess the statement is just open for interpretation though.

ur right in a way but even though there were bands like finch around..the only thing is that it just wasnt that popular at that time...dtr made "screamo" ( i hate this word) more mainstream.

@ the b9 guy: the new champion record is pretty good! try to get it!

[+adamo/videos__]

"you can like something on Vagrant which, nothing on that label is great basically"

that made me laugh.

i love richard, he's a badass.

[Frank Giaramita]

ur right in a way but even though there were bands like finch around..the only thing is that it just wasnt that popular at that time...dtr made "screamo" ( i hate this word) more mainstream.

@ the b9 guy: the new champion record is pretty good! try to get it!

bro, "screamo" is the most retarded word ever invented. Literally. I feel ten times less educated even saying it.

[starglorystar]

bro, "screamo" is the most retarded word ever invented. Literally. I feel ten times less educated even saying it.

It really is a shame that this world is filled to the brim with stereotypical classifications for just about everything. Just to add fuel to the fire, I hate the word emo!!!

[surfwaxsideshow]

Screaming really should be left to hardcore. That is the genre that birthed it and it is the only genre it doesn't sound retarded in.

[GetWellBoss]

FOB made their mark on FBR and were a favorite of many way before they got signed to island

Just so you know(this might be late or already said cause i only have internet when im at school and ive also only read through page 4) but the FBR release that Fall Out Boy did was actually funded by Island. They just used FBR as way to break them into the scene.

[OurHeartAttack]

the only thing that made me mad about the interview is that he said there was nothing good on Vagrant, when vagrant has the likes of The Alkaline Trio and .moneen. still on its roster...as for the rest, I don't blame him about being bitter towards the record industry. If you had your best selling bands taken from you over the course of 5 years, you'd become jaded too.

Yeah, that was the only comment that pissed me off. You can't deny the awesomeness of Alk3/RatFE.

[StartingLine182]

I dont feel like reading all the comments, but hopefully nobody asked this already.

What was he talking about with Fall Out Boy?

[GetWellBoss]

i understand that, but im syaing when he says "nobody" he's not literally speaking bc he and everyone else knows there has been bands screaming, singing, making noises, farting since only god knows when. When he says "nobody" he doesnt literally mean.."not a single band was screaming when we signed finch" bc the dude isnt that stupid. I guess the statement is just open for interpretation though.

I honestly think the point that Richard was trying to make was that they sign bands because they love the bands music not because they are jumping on the bandwagon. Yes people were screaming before finch, but they signed finch because they love them as a band not because of the screaming. It's the same reason they sign all of the bands, because they love them as people and not see them as money. You can see the trend throughout Vagrant(as Richard pointed out) that with pop-culture their SIGNINGS change. They do keep the older bands and because of that their roster is different and unique. While money IS important for a label to survive and keep bands. Richard is saying that they don't sign a band because they know they can sell hundreds of thousands of albums. They sign them because they love the music and the people.

[richtsl]

I was the one that did the interview with Rich and feel i should out a few things straight.

Richard is not an asehole and doesn't think he is royalty. If he did why would he get out of bed to talk to a 19 year old kid for an hour? He was nothing but nice to me and my little sister who was hanging around.

I like his honesty, and his points about Finch had meaning. At the time there were very few screaming bands in the mainstream scene.

As far as i could work out the FOB comment was just saying that they offered them a deal on Rushmore but they wanted to be on Drive Thru so it didn't work. End of. It would have worked out for the band either way (Rushmore/DTR/Island) as they are a great band.

The Vagrant comments were a bit harsh BUT he seems SOOOOO hurt by Vagrant, SF and Geffen.

[iamtheemo1]

If all bands are Vagrant bands are soo shitty than why did Drive-Thru sign Dashboard a while back?

[dongdong]

is this guy an idiot...its like a 5 year old going off on a tangent. I think when someone goes on an interview you be a little more professional about it. Instead of going...this guys an asshole, this band sucks. he even bashed one of his own bands. yea we all know the major labels are bullshit, and they do it for the money, tell us something we don't know dumbass. arrogant bastard, talking like his bands are the shit. what a hypocrite. I hope his label goes to shit. and by the way there were plenty of GOOD bands screaming before finch...if you want an example Boy Sets Fire. All your shitty west coast poppy punk sounds the fucking same.

[Scuba Chris]

If all bands are Vagrant bands are soo shitty than why did Drive-Thru sign Dashboard a while back?

I think we need to get over this whole "there are some good bands on vagrant" thing. We know Richard doesn't have the best view of Vagrant for good reason. I am sure if you asked him specifically about some of the band you all mentioned he would say he enjoys most of thier music.

That aside, I enjoyed the interview. Quite revealing.
Lastly, I respect Richard and Stefanie. I know alot of people rag on them all the time, but I enjoy thier label and most of the bands.

[fullcollapse88]

Get up kids too. Drive thru tried signing Get up kids as their first band EVER. SO i cant understand how Richard cannot like them.

maybe that's why he doesn't like them: they shot his sorry ass down. richard reines is an assclown. i think he says it best with "We've always had the same taste." This guy needs to realize he's not 15 anymore, and he's allowed to like bands that don't try and sound like blink 182. no wonder the rx bandits want nothing do to with drive thru anymore.

[fullcollapse88]

true, but the man makes a good point. Island is by far the best major label: thrice, thursday, autopilot off, fall out boy, andrew wk, the bronx, etc.

they seem to be one of the only big labels that actually cares about the artist.

i don't think they care about everyone...i don't recall cky getting much press at all thanks to island, and thursday isn't happy with island (or so it sounds). it took APO forever to get a full length out, i wonder how they feel about that. let's see how fall out boy and letter kills feel in a year or so.

and what the hell is rushmore records?

[Scenestorm]

very very few popular bands back then mized the screaming and singing. I remember listening too Finch's old version of What It is to burn for teh first time in november of 2001 and saying to myself.."what the fuck is this??!"

Oh man this list could stretch for pages of all the bands which combined hardcore and melody, or metal and melody. Sing/Scream. Age does play a part, so it's nothing to feel ashamed of ;) 10 years from now, kids at that time wont even know who Finch is and you'll have to explain it to those "kids".
I know of a ton of bands and alot of them I was into for a time. Yet I am sure there were hundreds more that even I had no clue about. Grade, Quicksand, Into Another, Far, Helmet, CIV, Sensefield, Ignite, Good Riddance, Bloodshed, Zao, Blindside, Strongarm, Shai Hullud, Unbroken, Orange9mm, Stavesacre, Focused, Jawbox, Hum, Embodyment, Deftones, Downset, FATA, Thursday, Hopesfall, Poison the Well, Snapcase, blahblahblah. Go to www.revelationrecords.com and www.victoryrecords.com for some linkage and samples...Yes, several of the bands above were on major labels. You should all buy the first Bloodshed "ep" from Tooth and Nail, that album fits in perfect with todays standards.

[dongdong]

worms of the earth=WORST SONG EVER MADE

[Cocky Caucasion]

is this guy an idiot...its like a 5 year old going off on a tangent. I think when someone goes on an interview you be a little more professional about it. Instead of going...this guys an asshole, this band sucks. he even bashed one of his own bands. yea we all know the major labels are bullshit, and they do it for the money, tell us something we don't know dumbass. arrogant bastard, talking like his bands are the shit. what a hypocrite. I hope his label goes to shit. and by the way there were plenty of GOOD bands screaming before finch...if you want an example Boy Sets Fire. All your shitty west coast poppy punk sounds the fucking same.

shut the hell up

[Frank Giaramita]

I honestly think the point that Richard was trying to make was that they sign bands because they love the bands music not because they are jumping on the bandwagon. Yes people were screaming before finch, but they signed finch because they love them as a band not because of the screaming. It's the same reason they sign all of the bands, because they love them as people and not see them as money. You can see the trend throughout Vagrant(as Richard pointed out) that with pop-culture their SIGNINGS change. They do keep the older bands and because of that their roster is different and unique. While money IS important for a label to survive and keep bands. Richard is saying that they don't sign a band because they know they can sell hundreds of thousands of albums. They sign them because they love the music and the people.

I know, I agree with you 100% and Ive talked to richard a 100 times and I know thats what him and Stefanie are about. I wasn't saying otherwise.

[Tyler Revolution]

I dont understand some things... maybe I just didnt read well enough, but he said the things about all of the old bands leaving the label or something.. are all of the old bands still on it or what? he made it sound like they were all dropping off... also what did he mean by the fall out boy thing? they wanted to be signed to drive thru but he wouldnt let them or what? why wouldnt he just keep signing bands to drive thru? i dont understand why they are making a new label... does anyone know any of the new bands that are being signed to drive thru or any of the bands being signed to rushmore? and what are all of the old bands that they used to have on drive thru?

[Frank Giaramita]

is this guy an idiot...its like a 5 year old going off on a tangent. I think when someone goes on an interview you be a little more professional about it. Instead of going...this guys an asshole, this band sucks. he even bashed one of his own bands. yea we all know the major labels are bullshit, and they do it for the money, tell us something we don't know dumbass. arrogant bastard, talking like his bands are the shit. what a hypocrite. I hope his label goes to shit. and by the way there were plenty of GOOD bands screaming before finch...if you want an example Boy Sets Fire. All your shitty west coast poppy punk sounds the fucking same.

The thing that's so likable about DTR is the fact that they are unprofessional, and you know what, if he was more professional you'd call him a "stuck up prick who thinks he's better than everyone" bc thats the way it always works, Its a double edged sword. "he even bashed one of his own bands"...what band are you talking about? Senses Fail? obviously you are less educated on the topic than i originally thought bc Senses fail is on vagrant now, dumbass. Welcome to the Absolutepunk.net forums, prepare to get shit on.

p.s.- he could talk like his bands are "the shit" bc theyve sold more records than you can even imagine, so obviously he's doing something right. Keep making sense... and go clean my shit off your face.

[WheresTheChorus]

i know he's pissed at vagrant for the dashboard and senses fail drama but how can the man say that there is nothing great on vagrant (reggie and the full effect, hey mercedes, saves the day, hot rod circuit, the get up kids, alkaline trio, moneen, and now emanuel) when its not like drive thru has any GREAT bands themselves, especially with all these new signings of halicratic or socranoah and all those bands.

i mean, don't get me wrong...jenoah, socratic, hidden in plain view, halifax are good bands but even drive thru's older bands such as the starting line, new found glory, finch, the early november, etc. can't touch vagrant's.

but in the end, they are both great labels who deserve what they have.

[Talib Scottie]

they're isn't a great band on vagrant? Hot Rod, Saves the Day, Get Up Kids, New Amsterdams? Reggie?? Who is so great on Drive Thru though? New Found Glory is the only band that accomplished anything and are the best MTV pop-punk band but I like each band i listed above better. The Early November, The Starting Line, Finch, and the Movielife were the best bands they've ever had and Finch is the only one coming close to greatness in my book. That being said Vagrant, Victory, and Drive Thru are all well accomplished indie labels. He's right about Sense Fail though, they suck and i heard they were dicks.

Edit: didn't read the post above me first but we're on the same wavelength and how could i forget my boys in hey merc...

[GetWellBoss]

I know, I agree with you 100% and Ive talked to richard a 100 times and I know thats what him and Stefanie are about. I wasn't saying otherwise.

I know you weren't saying otherwise. I was actually agreeing with you but just putting it in a different way for everyone else. You were just the last comment on that topic that was worth reading so I used you as a starting point. Sorry if it confused you. You are still awesome in my book.

[punkerx99]

my final word on the topic: drive-thru and vagrant are both bad labels.


www.equalvision.com
www.bridgenine.com

[GetWellBoss]

is this guy an idiot...its like a 5 year old going off on a tangent. I think when someone goes on an interview you be a little more professional about it. Instead of going...this guys an asshole, this band sucks. he even bashed one of his own bands. yea we all know the major labels are bullshit, and they do it for the money, tell us something we don't know dumbass. arrogant bastard, talking like his bands are the shit. what a hypocrite. I hope his label goes to shit. and by the way there were plenty of GOOD bands screaming before finch...if you want an example Boy Sets Fire. All your shitty west coast poppy punk sounds the fucking same.

Youre dumb. The lead singer from Boys Sets Fire is the biggest asshole I have ever met. I'm not exaggerating either. He's such a douche bag. And they weren't at all on a major label.

[+adamo/videos__]

haha, EQUAL VISION does rule. Bridge 9 still kills.

[NFGmoviestar]

The thing that's so likable about DTR is the fact that they are unprofessional, and you know what, if he was more professional you'd call him a "stuck up prick who thinks he's better than everyone" bc thats the way it always works, Its a double edged sword. "he even bashed one of his own bands"...what band are you talking about? Senses Fail? obviously you are less educated on the topic than i originally thought bc Senses fail is on vagrant now, dumbass. Welcome to the Absolutepunk.net forums, prepare to get shit on.

p.s.- he could talk like his bands are "the shit" bc theyve sold more records than you can even imagine, so obviously he's doing something right. Keep making sense... and go clean my shit off your face.
thank you

just shut the hell up about the screaming comment and vagrant bands thing. READ THROUGH ALL THE MESSAGES FIRST ASSHOLES. what ever anyone says its not gonna matter. we're all stubborn and we're not gonna agree with you

[MumblingMiles]

Saying "Drive-Thru" in these forums is like shouting "evolution!" in a church...

[xxAvenged7Xxx]

Hey guys, i Just wanted to say that Richard is an incredibly nice and down to earth guy who really is all about the love for music. Example: I am in a band from MA and with out even hearing us, he invited us to his house in NJ to listen to our demo and give us advice. This is a guy who has made some of the Biggest Pop Punk bands in the world what they are today, and he was nice enough to sit down with 4 teenagers with a dream and give them advice. and whether you like the bands on DTR or not you cannot deny that a majority of people who are into the Pop Punk scene today, which is litteraly millions of kids, love at least 2 or 3 drive thru bands, and would say that they are some of their favorites.

I dont pretend to know the details about the whole SF/ Vagrant/Geffen Fiasco, but if I were in his position I would have BEEF with those people as well.

Richard is one of the Few people in the music industry that speaks his mind and is not full of shit, you gotta respect that.


~Spence

[ShatteredYou]

Youre dumb. The lead singer from Boys Sets Fire is the biggest asshole I have ever met. I'm not exaggerating either. He's such a douche bag. And they weren't at all on a major label.

yea they were, wind up records along with evnesce, creed, cold, and the only pop-punk band to be so bad they are never mentioned on this site, cauterize

[em0_stars]

my favorite parts are when he talks about "jumping ont he bandwagon" which he afmits to doing, then he makes fun of other labels who do the same thing...wtf?

and "some people are wrong sometimes, like Senses Fail" hahahahaha


true that

[em0_stars]

Hey guys, i Just wanted to say that Richard is an incredibly nice and down to earth guy who really is all about the love for music. Example: I am in a band from MA and with out even hearing us, he invited us to his house in NJ to listen to our demo and give us advice. This is a guy who has made some of the Biggest Pop Punk bands in the world what they are today, and he was nice enough to sit down with 4 teenagers with a dream and give them advice. and whether you like the bands on DTR or not you cannot deny that a majority of people who are into the Pop Punk scene today, which is litteraly millions of kids, love at least 2 or 3 drive thru bands, and would say that they are some of their favorites.

I dont pretend to know the details about the whole SF/ Vagrant/Geffen Fiasco, but if I were in his position I would have BEEF with those people as well.

Richard is one of the Few people in the music industry that speaks his mind and is not full of shit, you gotta respect that.


~Spence

yes, yes i do

[em0_stars]

does Richard hate fall out boy?

[poopie pants]

You know what the problem is. It's this love your label bullshit. Just fucking like a band...or don't like a band. Who the hell really gives a shit what label they were/are on. Do any of you remember before the scene became popular? Do you remember buying a cd from Green Day...or Offspring...or Rancid...or whoever you did back in the day...and not caring or even knowing what label it was on..you just liked the band. Major label...or indy...it doesn't matter.........it's the bands music that does..end of story.

[crappypants]

The thing that's so likable about DTR is the fact that they are unprofessional, and you know what, if he was more professional you'd call him a "stuck up prick who thinks he's better than everyone" bc thats the way it always works, Its a double edged sword. "he even bashed one of his own bands"...what band are you talking about? Senses Fail? obviously you are less educated on the topic than i originally thought bc Senses fail is on vagrant now, dumbass. Welcome to the Absolutepunk.net forums, prepare to get shit on.

p.s.- he could talk like his bands are "the shit" bc theyve sold more records than you can even imagine, so obviously he's doing something right. Keep making sense... and go clean my shit off your face.

Um, i think he was talking about Midtown.....but maybe not. It doesnt really matter.

Off the subject. Arcadiansky, you really need to get out of your computer chair and go do something more productive than talk about shitting on peoples faces. Whenever I come here to read some news and funny comments I find your hardass has about 50 posts in each forum. Go get some sunshine, visit your grandma, go to yellowstone before it blows up...anything. Im not trying to be mean but I am worried about you becoming a recluse. :wink3:

[crappypants]

You know what the problem is. It's this love your label bullshit. Just fucking like a band...or don't like a band. Who the hell really gives a shit what label they were/are on. Do any of you remember before the scene became popular? Do you remember buying a cd from Green Day...or Offspring...or Rancid...or whoever you did back in the day...and not caring or even knowing what label it was on..you just liked the band. Major label...or indy...it doesn't matter.........it's the bands music that does..end of story.

WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA. Where the hell did you come from!!!!! This is crazy! Not only is this the first time I have seen you on here but you posted right above my post! We must be some sort of kindred spirits with the same love of wrecking our pants. And I must say, I think I like the name poopie pants better than crappy pants (but I did beat you to it by about a month or two).

[formyownheart]

Um, i think he was talking about Midtown.....but maybe not. It doesnt really matter.

Off the subject. Arcadiansky, you really need to get out of your computer chair and go do something more productive than talk about shitting on peoples faces. Whenever I come here to read some news and funny comments I find your hardass has about 50 posts in each forum. Go get some sunshine, visit your grandma, go to yellowstone before it blows up...anything. Im not trying to be mean but I am worried about you becoming a recluse. :wink3:

he's not a recluse he just sleeps till 3 then post on here till like midnight then goes out hits up a white castle sesh and comes home. once in a while he'll hit up a party or two or tell me to comeover so i can make sure he's not glued to his chair no big deal.

speaking of frank when you were talking to richard did you mention yesterday*/aidelon and be like "listen ill have a band sounding this good by the end of next week just get me a lead singer who doesnt 23 stiches to the chin cuz hes he doesnt know how to name a song"

[formyownheart]

btw ive seen most of the drive thru bands live including some of the ones that used to be on them. and the worst without a doubt are socratic, and adelphi in a close second.Those bands were completely signed so that they could replace money lost from bands signed to geffen hmmm. rxb, hipv and the early november are all amazing live same with finch and the starting line.something corporate allister and jenoah were good, NFG, Halifax, and allister were all alright. Midtown and senses fail were all exactly what they come off as, then they were both awesome but cocky and assholes simple as that. im seeing hellogoodbye and hipv again at the end of the month ill tell you how that goes (ps ap.net tour woot woot)

[surfwaxsideshow]

Equal Vision is great. Bridge 9 is great for what it does, but myself (and probably a lot of people here) aren't really into the majority of hardcore.

[tyais]

I've never met Richard, but if I were to judge him off this interview alone, and the bands he's signed, I would come to a couple of concluisons...

*Bitter. Not justified anger mind you, but straight up bitter. It comes through in the jab shots at Vagrant and Senses Fail. He might need to realize, guess what, people get screwed. Get over it.
*Not a good business man. He got tied into the deal with Geffen in the first place. He's the one who's been losing band after band. If you're not a good business man, get someone who is to work for you. You can have your love for the music and pull in creative bands and talents without being the lead business man.
*He seems like that kid who is vindicated by the idea that he knew about a band before everyone and is the only person who liked them before they got signed or talked about. Get over yourself.
*Not a good public figure. He comes off childish and pathetic. As a label, it's not your job to be one of the kids. It's your job to get the kids what they want. Hell, I have no clue who the owner of Militia Group is, but I would swear he's one of the damn coolest people I know because he constantly brings me bands that make me happy. I haven't bought a MG CD and been disappointed. And yet, the owner of MG doesn't feel the need to blow smoke up my ass or tell me about himself.
*He knows some good talent when he sees it. Bands like Steel Train, Early November, and Rx Bandits all have different followings that love their music. He finds bands that appeal to a wide base of people. While I'm not a huge fan of NFG, they're probably the most popular Pop Punk band out there.

[punkerx99]

steel train is absolutely horrible. the only dtr bands i like are nfg, rx bandits, the movielife, homegrown, and midtown. i like a few of the halifax songs i've heard too.

[tyais]

steel train is absolutely horrible. the only dtr bands i like are nfg, rx bandits, the movielife, homegrown, and midtown. i like a few of the halifax songs i've heard too.

Wow. Ever think that maybe you just don't like Steel Train's type of music, it's not that they suck?

Run with that buddy.

[Lemieux66]

Wow. Ever think that maybe you just don't like Steel Train's type of music, it's not that they suck?

Run with that buddy.

Ever consider you like shitty music?

Get a whiff of that.

[beauty is dead]

Bridge 9 owns.

fucking right it does, some of the best bands.

[beauty is dead]

Ever consider you like shitty music?

Get a whiff of that.

dude steel train is by far one of the most talented bands on DTR, behind RX bandits of course, so dont talk shit.

[formyownheart]

Wow. Ever think that maybe you just don't like Steel Train's type of music, it's not that they suck?

Run with that buddy.
agreed, i like that new song on drive thrus summer sampler

[TheGoodnightMoon]

i have pretty much the same story as spence, i first met richard last summer. i talked to him on the internet and he was nice enough to fly from california to here just to listen to my bands demo and give us advice. is he still an asshole label owner if he is nice enough to spend ass loads of money just to hang out with 4 teenagers thousands of miles away? didnt think so. he's made another trip out here to do the same and in june i returned the favor. he is the nicest, most down to earth person i think i have ever met in my life. if you've ever met him or have hung out with him, you know exactly what im talking about. and senses fail got what they deserved, their assholes and back stabbers, r + s have every right in the world to shit in their face right alongside vagrant's. plus, dtr's new bands will blow you away and will easily make up for their losses.

[tyais]

i have pretty much the same story as spence, i first met richard last summer. i talked to him on the internet and he was nice enough to fly from california to here just to listen to my bands demo and give us advice. is he still an asshole label owner if he is nice enough to spend ass loads of money just to hang out with 4 teenagers thousands of miles away? didnt think so. he's made another trip out here to do the same and in june i returned the favor. he is the nicest, most down to earth person i think i have ever met in my life. if you've ever met him or have hung out with him, you know exactly what im talking about. and senses fail got what they deserved, their assholes and back stabbers, r + s have every right in the world to shit in their face right alongside vagrant's. plus, dtr's new bands will blow you away and will easily make up for their losses.

I agree it's cool and all that he did that, but look at it in context. If your band was something to talk about, Richard stood to make a pretty penny off of you. As for spending "ass loads of money..." just call me a pessimist, but it's a business expense. And with the income he's making, it's probably tax deductible out the wazoo.

And Sense Fail got what they deserved? A contract with Vagrant and they stand to make a lot of money in the near future.

As for DTR's new bands. Meh. Not my thing. I'm sure people like that, but it's just not for my taste in music.

I don't know him personally, I'm just saying, in that interview, he comes across as extremely whiny and extremely unprofessional. To quote someone else in this thread who put it perfectly, he needs to grow up.

[TheGoodnightMoon]

I agree it's cool and all that he did that, but look at it in context. If your band was something to talk about, Richard stood to make a pretty penny off of you. As for spending "ass loads of money..." just call me a pessimist, but it's a business expense. And with the income he's making, it's probably tax deductible out the wazoo.

And Sense Fail got what they deserved? A contract with Vagrant and they stand to make a lot of money in the near future.

As for DTR's new bands. Meh. Not my thing. I'm sure people like that, but it's just not for my taste in music.

I don't know him personally, I'm just saying, in that interview, he comes across as extremely whiny and extremely unprofessional. To quote someone else in this thread who put it perfectly, he needs to grow up.

i see your point, and i totally respect your opinion. i was also talking about the bands that havent been announced yet, they are really good and not the typical "dtr pop punk".

[tyais]

i see your point, and i totally respect your opinion. i was also talking about the bands that havent been announced yet, they are really good and not the typical "dtr pop punk".

I love it when I find people who post intelligently. Seriously, mad props to you. Got a purevolume page or anything to listen to your band?

[TheGoodnightMoon]

I love it when I find people who post intelligently. Seriously, mad props to you. Got a purevolume page or anything to listen to your band?

thanks so much dude, i really like to see people discuss things tastefully, even if they dont see eye to eye. as for my band, i'd post the url on here but im afraid to get ripped apart from the other users, give me your aim, yahoo, msn, whatever and we'll talk. thanks again!

[classicjazz123]

Vagrant destroys drive thru in ever way, shape, and form. The Get Up Kids/Reggie/New Ams, Saves the Day, Alkaline Trio, Dashboard, and Hot Rod Circuit are equalled by only the Rx Bandits as far as dtr bands go.

What people have to realize is that drive thru was always hopping on trends. Two years ago every band on that label was pop punk. The only difference is that all those bands were at least decent and a lot more people find pop punk acceptable than people who find screamo acceptable. The trend then was pop punk. The trend now is shitty wannabe dark sounding bands with terrible screaming. And the bands that DTR signs as a risk, as in a band that doesn't fit this screamo stereotype, all of them suck a lot. Hellogoodbye? Steel Train? Hopefully Halifax and Jenoah are a sign of things to come, and Socratic and HIPV are a sign of what is on the way out.



bad comment,whats wrong with hipv?

[Frank Giaramita]

Um, i think he was talking about Midtown.....but maybe not. It doesnt really matter.

Off the subject. Arcadiansky, you really need to get out of your computer chair and go do something more productive than talk about shitting on peoples faces. Whenever I come here to read some news and funny comments I find your hardass has about 50 posts in each forum. Go get some sunshine, visit your grandma, go to yellowstone before it blows up...anything. Im not trying to be mean but I am worried about you becoming a recluse. :wink3:

i get out of the house more than 99% of the people in the world do. I'm an insomniac and i have been up for the past 6 days straight (i sleep about once every 8 days). I have 24 hours a day too work with here so you can only imagine how much shit i get done (inside and outside) of the house. You make it seem like scrolling down a page and posting is very time consuming. It takes up about 1% of my daily activites with the amount of time my insomnia allows. Besides, shitting on people's faces is fun and you should try it sometime. I suggest using your dog or cat as a test subject though...to see how it works out. :wink3:

p.s.- its 3AM right now, what else could I be doing that is funner than making ass holes feel like ass holes in the absolutepunk.net forums?

[classicjazz123]

these forums are gay

listen to northstar.

[richtsl]

*Not a good business man. He got tied into the deal with Geffen in the first place. He's the one who's been losing band after band. If you're not a good business man, get someone who is to work for you. You can have your love for the music and pull in creative bands and talents without being the lead business man.

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME!???!?!?!?!?!??!

You are saying that one of the two people that has built up DTR is a BAD business man?? It's a company that majors were offering MILLIONS of dollars for.

[atw]

no wonder the rx bandits want nothing do to with drive thru anymore.

the rx bandits like drive thru. its the deal with geffen/mca they despised. matt specifically says drive thru is cool about everything and that its the majors he despises. especially since when progress was being made, mca threatened to stop financing it unless the political/social stuff was changed.

[Rick James]

Drive thru is signing waking ashland (www.purevolume.com/wakingashland)and a band called bel air academy (www.purevolume.com/belairacademy) is getting signed to rushmore. My best friend is a drive thru intern and got the dirt.

[bdye910]

i like drive thru records a lot and i think in the future they will sign a bunch of new bands to rebuild up the label, like halifax. vagrant does have some decent bands like FATA, STD, alkaline trio, and emanuel but most of their bands go down hill. the newest saves the day, dashboard, and get up kids albums are horrible.

i do like senses fail but they are a bunch of fucking cocksuckers so im glad that their new album was leaked about 6 months ago and that they wil make absolutely no money off of it.

[Al11]

Okay the vagrnat comment was completely bitter and rude. These ass clowns make it seem like every band they sign are moral saints who are the only pure souls in this music industry. Right, my friend works for a radio and was assigned to interview finch who were completely rude to him. He interviews a lot of bands and finch were the only ones who disrespected him. Now I like Finch and wouldn't hold that against them, maybe they had a bad day but they certaintly aren't perfect like they make all there bands out to be. The Early November are pigs who fuckin gang bang little 16 year olds at shows. Rad. Oh right and don't they completely rip off the get up kids (vagrant band) Also I know of a band drive thru wanted to sign and they went down to there NJ house and were completely disgusted at the use of the word "***" and the homophobe comments coming out of that lard ass stephanies mouth. They also met a few bands who talked about how they de-virginized a bunch of little girls on there tours. Needless to say the band was disgusted and declined the offer.

Now there is a difference between speaking your mind and flat out talking shit. One is respectable the other is rude and distasteful. Richard talked shit. This label and geffen used to toss around the Rx Bandits and the Bandits could say plenty but WHENEVER interviewers address it in the interviews matt shys away saying he doesn't want to talk shit. Thank god they are done with that trendy medicore ass label.

[left_punk]

G7 Welcoming Committee is the best record label out there! Check out their bands, they sound way better than most of Drive Thru's bands.

[ReggieRock]

Take this for what it's worth...

I honestly thought Vagrant would be powerful but scary, and Drive Thru would be chill and fun. We walked away from both experiences with very different opinions than we went in with.

On a professional level, Vagrant is the better label. They have a staff of people that are actually employed, unlike Drive Thru. They hire interns who just seem stoked to get a stack of Starting Line stickers and a Finch t-shirt as payment for their labor. The people at Vagrant actually want to help develop (a&r) bands of all different shapes and sizes, while Drive Thru is very proud of the "sound" they consistently sign. When you sign a "sound", you are not investing in bands or people as artists.

On a personal level...Vagrant is still the better label. The owner Rich Egan asks what you want, and tells you what they can give you. I can honestly say that the royalty rate that Vagrant offers is pretty cool. Sitting down with Rich Reines, it takes awhile to get down to business. Weird as it sounds, the interview I just read resembles any conversation you'll have with him, especially lately.

Bottom line is this...the Reines, Rich Reines, have a lot of bitterness. They are generally unpleasant, mean spirited people who contradict themselves and really have nothing good to say about anyone. This is why many bands choose not to sign with them, not that other labels "steal" them. It's easier for him to blame people and call them names then ever SIMPLY say, "yeah, they were offered a better deal there than we could offer them." There is nothing wrong with that, but for some reason, Rich Reines likes to make a big deal of business, which does nothing but draw attention to DTR inadequacies. I hope he gets help soon.

[KnoWs My NaMe]

In the FOB song 'Growing Up' they make a reference to Rushmore and i dunno but did that have anything to do with the DTR situation???

[tyais]

Take this for what it's worth...

I honestly thought Vagrant would be powerful but scary, and Drive Thru would be chill and fun. We walked away from both experiences with very different opinions than we went in with.

On a professional level, Vagrant is the better label. They have a staff of people that are actually employed, unlike Drive Thru. They hire interns who just seem stoked to get a stack of Starting Line stickers and a Finch t-shirt as payment for their labor. The people at Vagrant actually want to help develop (a&r) bands of all different shapes and sizes, while Drive Thru is very proud of the "sound" they consistently sign. When you sign a "sound", you are not investing in bands or people as artists.

On a personal level...Vagrant is still the better label. The owner Rich Egan asks what you want, and tells you what they can give you. I can honestly say that the royalty rate that Vagrant offers is pretty cool. Sitting down with Rich Reines, it takes awhile to get down to business. Weird as it sounds, the interview I just read resembles any conversation you'll have with him, especially lately.

Bottom line is this...the Reines, Rich Reines, have a lot of bitterness. They are generally unpleasant, mean spirited people who contradict themselves and really have nothing good to say about anyone. This is why many bands choose not to sign with them, not that other labels "steal" them. It's easier for him to blame people and call them names then ever SIMPLY say, "yeah, they were offered a better deal there than we could offer them." There is nothing wrong with that, but for some reason, Rich Reines likes to make a big deal of business, which does nothing but draw attention to DTR inadequacies. I hope he gets help soon.

Who are you...? I feel as if from your user name and the two posts you have made, that you are someone noteworthy.

[littleleaguerec]

In the FOB song 'Growing Up' they make a reference to Rushmore and i dunno but did that have anything to do with the DTR situation???

No this has nothing at all to do with Rushmore Records, that song was written/recorded/performed far before the idea of Rushmore ever leaked. This situation is humorous and amazing. keep talking everyone....

[SomePerson22]

he's so unprofessional. it's kind of sad.

vagrant has alkaline trio, saves the day, get up kids, and moneen among others.
drive thru has rx bandits.

i find it funny that he can talk shit about vagrant when they [dtr] only have one great band on their roster, who probably won't even be on there much longer.

so many bands have had problems with drive-thru. i just don't believe anything the reines say. it all seems like bullshit. and they're so defensive of themselves all the time. anytime people get really defensive it's like admitting they're wrong.