AP'S 2008/2009 NFL Predictions

[LeftWideOpen]

Sparked by the forecasting going on in the NFL thread right now. What are your predictions?

Mine as follows:

AFC East
New England
N.Y Jets
Buffalo
Miami

AFC North
Pittsburgh
Cleveland
Cincinati
Baltimore

AFC South
Indianapolis
x- Jacksonville
Houston
Tennessee

AFC West
San Diego
x- Oakland
Denver
Kansas City

NFC East
Dallas
x- Philadelphia
N.Y Giants
Washington

NFC North
Minnesota
Green Bay
Detroit
Chicago

NFC South
Carolina
x- New Orleans
Tampa Bay
Atlanta

NFC West
Seattle
Arizona
St. Louis
San Fransisco

PLAYOFFS

AFC Wild Card Playoff
(3) Indianapolis over (6) Oakland
(4) Pittsburgh over (5) Jacksonville

AFC Divisional Playoff
(1) New England over (4) Pittsburgh
(2) San Diego over (3) Indianapolis

AFC Championship
(1) New England over (2) San Diego



NFC Wild Card Playoff
(5) Philadelphia over (4) Minnesota
(3) Carolina over (6) New Orleans[/B]

NFC Divisional Playoff
(1) Dallas over (5) Philadelphia
(3) Carolina over (2) Seattle

NFC Championship
(1) Dallas over (3) Carolina

NFL Super Bowl
New England over Dallas


AWARDS

MVP: Tom Brady, New England
Offensive POY: Adrian Peterson, Minnesota
Defensive POY: DeMarcus Ware, Dallas
Offensive ROY: Darren McFadden, Oakland
Defensive ROY: Keith Rivers, Cincinati
Coach of the Year: Lane Kiffin, Oakland

[FondestMemory]

AFC East
New England
N.Y Jets
Buffalo
Miami

AFC North
Pittsburgh
Cleveland
Baltimore
Cincinatti

AFC South
Indianapolis
x-Jacksonville
Houston
Tennessee

AFC West
San Diego
x-Oakland
Denver
Kansas City

NFC East
Dallas
x-Philadelphia
N.Y Giants
Washington

NFC North
Green Bay
x-Minnesota
Detroit
Chicago

NFC South
New Orleans
Carolina
Tampa Bay
Atlanta

NFC West
Seattle
Arizona
St. Louis
San Fransisco

Super Bowl
New England over Dallas


AWARDS

MVP: Adrian Peterson
Offensive POY: Adrian Peterson
Defensive POY: Troy Polamalu
Offensive ROY: Darren McFadden
Defensive ROY: Vernon Gholston
Coach of the Year: Mike Tomlin

[xbrokendownx]

AFC East
New England
N.Y Jets
Buffalo
Miami

AFC North
Pittsburgh
x- Cleveland
Cincinnatti
Baltimore

AFC South
Indianapolis
x- Jacksonville
Houston
Tennessee

AFC West
San Diego
Oakland
Denver
Kansas City

NFC East
Dallas
x- Philadelphia
x- N.Y Giants
Washington

NFC North
Minnesota
Green Bay
Detroit
Chicago

NFC South
New Orleans
Carolina
Tampa Bay
Atlanta

NFC West
Seattle
San Francisco
Arizona
St. Louis

PLAYOFFS

AFC Wild Card Playoff
(3) Indianapolis over (6) Cleveland
(4) Pittsburgh over (5) Jacksonville

AFC Divisional Playoff
(1) New England over (4) Pittsburgh
(2) San Diego over (3) Indianapolis

AFC Championship
(2) San Diego over (1) New England



NFC Wild Card Playoff
(5) Philadelphia over (4) Minnesota
(3) New Orleans over (6) NY Giants

NFC Divisional Playoff
(1) Dallas over (5) Philadelphia
(3) New Orleans over (2) Seattle

NFC Championship
(1) Dallas over (3) New Orleans

NFL Super Bowl
San Diego over Dallas


AWARDS

MVP: LaDainian Tomlinson, Chargers
Offensive POY: LaDainian Tomlinson, Chargers
Defensive POY: Shawne Merriman, Chargers
Offensive ROY: Darren McFadden, Oakland
Defensive ROY: Keith Rivers, Cincinati
Coach of the Year: Jack Del Rio, Jacksonville

[livethesounds]

Continuing my prediction of the Cowboys winning the championship for the 4th straight year...

AFC East
New England
N.Y Jets
Buffalo
Miami

AFC North
Pittsburgh
Cinncinati
Cleveland
Balitmore

AFC South
Indianapolis
Jacksonville -x
Tennessee -x
Houston

AFC West
San Diego
Denver
Oakland
Kansas City

NFC East
Dallas
Washington -x
NY Giants
Philladelphia

NFC North
Green Bay
Detroit -x
Minnesota
Chicago

NFC South
New Orleans
Tampa Bay
Carolina
Atlanta

NFC West
San Francisco
Seattle
Arizona
St. Louis

PLAYOFFS

AFC Wild Card Playoff
(6) Tennessee over (3) Indinapolis
(5) Jacksonville over (4) San Diego

AFC Divisional Playoff
(1) New England over (6) Tennessee
(5) Jacksonville over (3) Pittsburgh

AFC Championship
(5) Jacksonville over (1) New England


NFC Wild Card Playoff
(5) Washington over (4) San Francisco
(3) Green Bay over (6) Detroit

NFC Divisional Playoff
(5) Washington over (1) New Orleans
(2) Dallas over (3) Green Bay

NFC Championship
(1) Dallas over (5) Washington

NFL Super Bowl
Dallas over Jacksonville


AWARDS

MVP: Tony Romo, Dallas
Offensive POY: Tony Romo, Dallas
Defensive POY: Jason Taylor, Washington
Offensive ROY: Darren McFadden, Oakland
Defensive ROY: Sedrick Ellis, New Orleans
Coach of the Year: Mike Nolan, San Francisco

[FondestMemory]

just curious, how would romo win mvp while brady takes opoy?

[livethesounds]

just curious, how would romo win mvp while brady takes opoy?

I think both of them are going to have similar seasons. but i see what you're saying, they'd give it to the MVP.

[FondestMemory]

I think both of them are going to have similar seasons. but i see what you're saying, they'd give it to the MVP.

especially because you have new england with a better record than dallas. i'd assume so at least, cause i don't see how the 2 seed in the nfc would have a better record than the 1 seed in the afc.

i mean, they occasionally seperate the opoy and mvp, but i don't see them doing that among two qbs. it's usually split between a rb and qb when they do.

sticking with romo?

[livethesounds]

especially because you have new england with a better record than dallas. i'd assume so at least, cause i don't see how the 2 seed in the nfc would have a better record than the 1 seed in the afc.

i mean, they occasionally seperate the opoy and mvp, but i don't see them doing that among two qbs. it's usually split between a rb and qb when they do.

sticking with romo?

yea, strictly because i think the NFC East is going to be brutal this year, they're going to have a harder schedule than the Pats. I think they finish a game behind the Saints for the best record in the NFC.

[LeftWideOpen]

i'm thrilled someone backed me up on oakland. i honestly think they win 10 games.

.... i thought people would consider me crazy, given oakland's rep. but i really think mcfadden will have as big of an impact as AP did last year. it'd be even bigger if justin fargas wasn't in the equation. fargas will only make them better, though.

and that defense ... fuck. if russell comes even close to being a #1 pick this season, they could challenge for the super bowl.

my guess is russell struggles and they are a wild card team, though.

[FondestMemory]

to be fair, i called oakland surprising people last year. haha.

so not sure if my backup is gonna mean that much.

[LeftWideOpen]

darren mcfadden makes it for me, though. i think he takes the league by storm.

i'm banking on him.

[livethesounds]

i'm thrilled someone backed me up on oakland. i honestly think they win 10 games.

.... i thought people would consider me crazy, given oakland's rep. but i really think mcfadden will have as big of an impact as AP did last year. it'd be even bigger if justin fargas wasn't in the equation. fargas will only make them better, though.

and that defense ... fuck. if russell comes even close to being a #1 pick this season, they could challenge for the super bowl.

my guess is russell struggles and they are a wild card team, though.

Even if he does have that big of an impact (which i don't see how he possibly could), i don't see how they make the playoffs still because the Raiders are still a young team. They have a solid D, and a really good back, but Russell is unproven and he doesn't have much aside from Walker to throw to. I'd compare them to the Vikes of last year, but in a tougher confrence. I just don't see it happening.

[FondestMemory]

i'm banking on that defense and nobody being able to pass on them.

[LeftWideOpen]

yeah, that defense is better then the vikings was last year.

and im expecting jamarcus russell 2008 > tavaris jackson 2007. i dont think thats a huge stretch.

[livethesounds]

yeah, that defense is better then the vikings was last year.

and im expecting jamarcus russell 2008 > tavaris jackson 2007. i dont think thats a huge stretch.

it's not, and i'm sure he will be, but you realize that's not saying very much.

[LeftWideOpen]

it's not, and i'm sure he will be, but you realize that's not saying very much.

the 2008 Oakland defense is better then the 2007 Vikings. They brought in the likes of Hall, Wilson, Joseph, Edwards, Gbaja-Biamila, Wesley, Hartwell, etc. ..... they are better then last year's Vikings defense.

not saying they are better than the '08 Vikings D (although they are pretty damn close), but they are certainly improved. Jamarcus Russell just needs to be decent for that team to win 10 games with their schedule.

[livethesounds]

just looking at their schedule, i'd give them 8-8, and that's giving them all the games i'm unsure about. assuming they preform like wild card contender.

[LeftWideOpen]

just looking at their schedule, i'd give them 8-8, and that's giving them all the games i'm unsure about. assuming they preform like wild card contender.

... they have the 3rd easiest schedule in football, based off the records of last season. they could go 13-3 by your criteria of uncertainty. My guess is 10-6 or 9-7. They have no clear losses, outside of the Pats game and 2 SD games.

[livethesounds]

... they have the 3rd easiest schedule in football, based off the records of last season. they could go 13-3 by your criteria of uncertainty. My guess is 10-6 or 9-7. They have no clear losses, outside of the Pats game and 2 SD games.

Well, if you're putting them in the superbowl contender range, then i guess... i'm just saying i don't think there's any way they're THAT good.

[FondestMemory]

i think they'll split with sd. but their youth will make a few should be wins into losses.

[Broken Parachute]

AFC East
New England
N.Y Jets
Buffalo
Miami

AFC North
Pittsburgh
Cleveland
Baltimore
Cincinnati

AFC South
Indianapolis
Jacksonville (WC)
Houston
Tennessee

AFC West
San Diego
Oakland (WC)
Denver
Kansas City

NFC East
Dallas
NY Giants (WC)
Philadelphia
Washington

NFC North
Green Bay
Minnesota
Detroit
Chicago

NFC South
Carolina
New Orleans (WC)
Tampa Bay
Atlanta

NFC West
Seattle
Arizona
San Fransisco
St. Louis

NFL Super Bowl
New England over Dallas

AWARDS
MVP: Tom Brady, New England
Offensive POY: Adrian Peterson, Minnesota
Defensive POY: Karlos Dansby, Arizona
Offensive ROY: Jonathan Stewart, Carolina
Defensive ROY: Jerod Mayo, New England
Coach of the Year: Sean Payton, New Orleans

[FondestMemory]

wow. dansby?

ballsy pick. way to go out on a limb.

[Broken Parachute]

Yeah, I always go out on a limb. It's easy to pick out of 3 or 4 surefire guys...but Dansby had a great season last year, so I figured why not, ya know?

[1moreandimfree]

AFC East
New England
N.Y Jets
Buffalo
Miami

AFC North
Pittsburgh
Cleveland- x
Cinci
Baltimore

AFC South
Indianapolis
Jacksonville -x
Tennessee
Houston

AFC West
San Diego
Oakland
Kansas City
Denver

NFC East
Dallas
NY Giants- x
Washington
Philladelphia

NFC North
Minnesota
Green Bay- x
Detroit
Chicago

NFC South
New Orleans
Tampa Bay
Carolina
Atlanta

NFC West
Seattle
Arizona
San Francisco
St. Louis

AWARDS

MVP: Tom Brady
Offensive POY: Tom Brady
Defensive POY: Jared Allen
Offensive ROY: Stewart (Just to be different. Maybe DF gets hurt?)
Defensive ROY: Rivers
Coach of the Year: Phillips

[Scott Weber]

haha. here we go with the 49ers shit again.

[FondestMemory]

i don't think there's a nationwide consensus sexy pick this year.

was the cardinals for a few years. then the 9ers last year.

i don't hear anybody getting talked up for no reason really though. the jets and the browns get a lot of hype, but at least there's some logic there. maybe the raiders? but i think lwo and i are alone there.

just weird. first year in a while there doesn't seem to be one stupid pick that everybody thinks is gold.

[Scott Weber]

i don't think there's a nationwide consensus sexy pick this year.

was the cardinals for a few years. then the 9ers last year.

i don't hear anybody getting talked up for no reason really though. the jets and the browns get a lot of hype, but at least there's some logic there. maybe the raiders? but i think lwo and i are alone there.

just weird. first year in a while there doesn't seem to be one stupid pick that everybody thinks is gold.
the vikings are without a doubt the sexy pick this year.

[1moreandimfree]

the vikings are without a doubt the sexy pick this year.

agreed, and i hate it.

[looksthatkillbn]

AFC East
New England
Buffalo
N.Y Jets
Miami

AFC North
Pittsburgh
Cleveland
Cincinnati
Baltimore

AFC South
Indianapolis
x- Jacksonville
Houston
Tennessee

AFC West
San Diego
x- Denver
Oakland
Kansas City

NFC East
Dallas
x- Philadelphia
x- N.Y Giants
Washington

NFC North
Green Bay
Minnesota
Detroit
Chicago

NFC South
New Orleans
Carolina
Tampa Bay
Atlanta

NFC West
Seattle
Arizona
St. Louis
San Fransisco

PLAYOFFS

AFC Wild Card Playoff
(3) San Diego over (6) Denver
(5) Jacksonville over (4) Pittsburgh

AFC Divisional Playoff
(1) New England over (5) Jacksonville
(2) Indianapolis over (3) San Diego

AFC Championship
(1) New England over (2) Indianapolis



NFC Wild Card Playoff
(5) Philadelphia over (4) Green Bay
(3) New Orleans over (6) NY Giants

NFC Divisional Playoff
(1) Dallas over (5) Philadelphia
(3) New Orleans over (2) Seattle

NFC Championship
(3) New Orleans over (1) Dallas

NFL Super Bowl
New England over New Orleans


AWARDS

MVP: Tom Brady, New England
Offensive POY: Tom Brady, New England
Defensive POY: Osi Yumeniora, NY Giants
Offensive ROY: Jonathan Stewart, Carolina
Defensive ROY: Glenn Dorsey, Kansas City
Coach of the Year: Sean Payton, New Orleans

[looksthatkillbn]

that was dumb

[blimpcityhero11]

AFC East
New England
N.Y Jets
Buffalo
Miami

AFC North
Cleveland
Pittsburgh-x
Cincinnati
Baltimore

AFC South
Indianapolis
Jacksonville-x
Houston
Tennessee

AFC West
San Diego
Oakland
Denver
Kansas City

NFC East
Dallas
Philadelphia-x
NY Giants
Washington

NFC North
Minnesota
Green Bay-x
Detroit
Chicago

NFC South
New Orleans
Carolina
Tampa Bay
Atlanta

NFC West
Seattle
Arizona
St. Louis
San Fransisco

Wild Card Round
AFC:
[3] Indianapolis over [6] Pittsburgh
[5] Jacksonville over [4] Cleveland
NFC:
[6] Green Bay over [3] Seattle
[5] Philadelphia over [4] Minnesota

Divisional Round
AFC:
[1] New England over [5] Jacksonville
[2] San Diego over [3] Indianapolis
NFC
[1] Dallas over [6] Green Bay
[2] New Orleans over [5] Philadelphia

Conference Playoff
AFC:
[1] New England over [2] San Diego
NFC:
[1] Dallas over [2] New Orleans

Super Bowl:
New England over Dallas

AWARDS
MVP: LaDanian Tomlinson, San Diego
Offensive POY: Adrian Peterson, Minnesota
Defensive POY: Shawn Merriman, San Diego
Offensive ROY: Matt Forte, Chicago
Defensive ROY: Keith Rivers, Cincinnati
Coach of the Year: Romeo Crenell, Cleveland

[FondestMemory]

the vikings are without a doubt the sexy pick this year.

i think they're somewhat justified though. moreso than the sexy picks of the past have been.

[Broken Parachute]

At least Minnesota have Peterson. San Fran is my second favorite team and even I would never pick them to come close to even a WC spot. At least they have Isaac Bruce now.

[Scott Weber]

AFC East
New England
N.Y Jets
Buffalo
Miami

AFC North
Pittsburgh
Cincinnati-x
Cleveland
Baltimore

AFC South
Indianapolis
Jacksonville-x
Houston
Tennessee

AFC West
San Diego
Oakland
Denver
Kansas City

NFC East
Dallas
NY Giants-x
Philadelphia
Washington

NFC North
Green Bay
Minnesota
Detroit
Chicago

NFC South
New Orleans
Carolina-x
Tampa Bay
Atlanta

NFC West
Seattle
Arizona
St. Louis
San Fransisco

Wild Card Round
AFC:
[3] Pittsburgh over [6] Cincinnati
[5] Jacksonville over [4] San Diego
NFC:
[3] New Orleans over [6] Carolina
[5] New York over [4] Green Bay

Divisional Round
AFC:
[1] New England over [5] Jacksonville
[3] Pittsburgh over [2] Indianapolis
NFC
[1] Dallas over [3] New Orleans
[2] Seattle over [5] New York

Conference Playoff
AFC:
[1] New England over [3] Pittsburgh
NFC:
[1] Dallas over [2] Seattle

Super Bowl:
New England over Dallas

AWARDS
MVP: Tom Brady, New England
Offensive POY: Tom Brady, New England
Defensive POY: Impossible to predict
Offensive ROY: Jonathan Stewart, Carolina
Defensive ROY: Glenn Dorsey, Chiefs
Coach of the Year: Mike Tomlin, Pittsburgh

[FondestMemory]

wow. cincy?

[Scott Weber]

wow. cincy?
yep. I think the AFC sucks balls this year after the top 4. I think 9-7 is enough to win them the 6 spot, and it's very doable with their schedule.

[anamericangod]

NFC means nothing to me, so I'm gonna go with.

1. New England
2. Pittsburgh
3. Indy
4. San Diego
5. Buffalo
6. Jax

[FondestMemory]

their schedule's pretty brutal. the afc north has the schedule from hell. they have it slightly easier than pitt and cleveland, so that'll work in their favor.

i think 9-7 might win that division.

[Scott Weber]

their schedule's pretty brutal. the afc north has the schedule from hell. they have it slightly easier than pitt and cleveland, so that'll work in their favor.

i think 9-7 might win that division.
cincy has the 2 winnable games at home (wash, philly) so I'm counting on them winning that. But more than anything it's just a gut feeling that things will finally click there. I think the defense will be much improved from experience alone.

[FondestMemory]

cincy has the 2 winnable games at home (wash, philly) so I'm counting on them winning that. But more than anything it's just a gut feeling that things will finally click there. I think the defense will be much improved from experience alone.

i just think that team's a complete mess right now. haha.

there's the talent to pull it off, it's just a matter of getting it all together.

[Scott Weber]

i just think that team's a complete mess right now. haha.

there's the talent to pull it off, it's just a matter of getting it all together.
haha. yeah. gotta make at least one ballsy pick though, right?

[Scott Weber]

hahaha I just saw LeftWide has Carolina in the NFC Championship game, if he picks them enough times they might finally succeed.

[FondestMemory]

hahaha I just saw LeftWide has Carolina in the NFC Championship game, if he picks them enough times they might finally succeed.

i think the world would end if next season the panthers sign josh mccown and he has a record breaking year on the way to winning them a super bowl.

i think leftwide and i would be forced to make out or something if that happened.

[Broken Parachute]

Defensive POY: Impossible to predictKARLOS DANSBY


x

[FondestMemory]

i had originally said mario williams for dpoy, but then my hopes of troy playing a full season healthy kicked in.

[AshesAshes]

AFC East
New England
x- N.Y Jets
Buffalo
Miami

AFC North
Pittsburgh
Cleveland
Cincinati
Baltimore

AFC South
Indianapolis
x- Jacksonville
Houston
Tennessee

AFC West
San Diego
Denver
Oakland
Kansas City

NFC East
Dallas
x- Philadelphia
N.Y Giants
Washington

NFC North
Minnesota
x-Green Bay
Detroit
Chicago

NFC South
New Orleans
Carolina
Tampa Bay
Atlanta

NFC West
Seattle
Arizona
St. Louis
San Fransisco

PLAYOFFS

AFC Wild Card Playoff
(3) Indianapolis over (6) NY
(4) Pittsburgh over (5) Jacksonville

AFC Divisional Playoff
(1) New England over (4) Pittsburgh
(3) Indianapolis over (2) San Diego
AFC Championship
(1) Indianapolis over (2) New England



NFC Wild Card Playoff
(4) Minnesota over (5) Philadelphia
(3) Seattle over (6) Green Bay[/B]

NFC Divisional Playoff
(1) Dallas over (4) Minnesota
(3) Seattle over (2) New Orleans
NFC Championship
(1) Dallas over (3) Seattle

NFL Super Bowl
Indianapolis over Dallas


AWARDS

MVP: Adrian Peterson, Minnesota
Offensive POY: Tom Brady, New England
Defensive POY: DeMarcus Ware, Dallas
Offensive ROY: Darren McFadden, Oakland
Defensive ROY: Keith Rivers, Cincinati

[LastPlaceRocks]

agreed, and i hate it.
Ditto. All this hype is just leading up to a major letdown.

[AshesAshes]

Ditto. All this hype is just leading up to a major letdown.

I just dont want another Gary Anderson type of letdown.

[LastPlaceRocks]

Well looks like I'm going to have to drink earlier than planned tonight to repress that game again.

[Spicoli hey bud]

AFC East
New England
Buffalo
N.Y Jets
Miami

AFC North
Cleveland
x - Cincy
Pittsburgh
Baltimore

AFC South
Indianapolis
x- Jacksonville
Houston
Tennessee

AFC West
San Diego
Oakland
Denver
Kansas City

NFC East
Dallas
x- Philadelphia
N.Y Giants
Washington

NFC North
Minnesota
Green Bay
Chicago
Detroit

NFC South
New Orleans
x - Tampa Bay
Carolina
Atlanta

NFC West
Seattle
Arizona
St. Louis
San Fransisco

PLAYOFFS

AFC Wild Card Playoff
(3) Indianapolis over (6) Cincy
(5) Jacksonville over (4) Cleveland

AFC Divisional Playoff
(5) Jacksonville over (2) New England
(3) Indy over (2) SD

AFC Championship
(3) Indy over (5) Jacksonville



NFC Wild Card Playoff
(4) Minnesota over (5) Tampa
(3) Seattle over (6) Philly

NFC Divisional Playoff
(1) Dallas over (5) Minn
(2) NO over (3) Seattle

NFC Championship
(1) Dallas over (3) NO

NFL Super Bowl
Indy over Dallas


AWARDS

MVP: Peyton Manning, Indy
Offensive POY: Adrian Peterson, Minnesota
Defensive POY: Bob Sanders, Indy
Offensive ROY: Darren McFadden, Oakland
Defensive ROY: Keith Rivers, Cincinati
Coach of the Year: Tony Dungy, Indy

[INhopewefail]

Is it just me, or does anybody else find it a little f'n ridiculous that the Patriots (statistically) have the easiest schedule? By statistically, I mean that the overall win % of their opponents is lower than any other team's schedule. I'd also like to point out that Chicago is at the bottom or very close to the bottom of everybody's NFC North list. They've got one of the best defenses in the league! Granted, they have had some QB trouble in the past, but nobody in that division has a solid QB! Regardless, I can't wait to see what happens.

[FondestMemory]

Is it just me, or does anybody else find it a little f'n ridiculous that the Patriots (statistically) have the easiest schedule? By statistically, I mean that the overall win % of their opponents is lower than any other team's schedule. I'd also like to point out that Chicago is at the bottom or very close to the bottom of everybody's NFC North list. They've got one of the best defenses in the league! Granted, they have had some QB trouble in the past, but nobody in that division has a solid QB! Regardless, I can't wait to see what happens.

i don't see how it's f'n ridiculous about the pats schedule.

it's not like it's randomly picked. that's just how their schedule is this year.

and chicago's defense isn't what it's been in years past. not to mention the qb issues, the wr issues, the oline issues and the rb issues.

[Drew Beringer]

AFC East:
New England
New York
Buffalo
Miami

AFC North:
Pittsburgh
Cleveland
Cincinnati
Baltimore

AFC South:
Indianapolis
Jacksonville
Houston
Tennessee

AFC West:
San Diego
Oakland
Denver
Kansas City

AFC Wild Card:
(3) Indianapolis over (6) Houston
(5) Jacksonville over (4) Pittsburgh

AFC Divisional Round:
(5) Jacksonville over (1) New England
(2) San Diego over (3) Indianapolis

AFC Championship:
(2) San Diego over (5) Jacksonville

NFC East:
Dallas
Philadelphia
Washington
New York

NFC North:
Green Bay
Minnesota
Chicago
Detroit

NFC South:
New Orleans
Tampa Bay
Carolina
Atlanta

NFC West:
Seattle
Arizona
San Francisco
St. Louis

NFC Wild Card:
(3) Seattle over (6) Washington
(4) Green Bay over (5) Philadelphia

NFC Divisional:
(1) Dallas over (4) Green Bay
(3) Seattle over (2) New Orleans

NFC Championship:
(1) Dallas over (3) Seattle

Super Bowl XLIII:
San Diego over Dallas

[LeftWideOpen]

hahaha I just saw LeftWide has Carolina in the NFC Championship game, if he picks them enough times they might finally succeed.

this is the year!

[xbrokendownx]

hooray drew you picked the same SB as me

[Chris M.]

Is it just me, or does anybody else find it a little f'n ridiculous that the Patriots (statistically) have the easiest schedule? By statistically, I mean that the overall win % of their opponents is lower than any other team's schedule. I'd also like to point out that Chicago is at the bottom or very close to the bottom of everybody's NFC North list. They've got one of the best defenses in the league! Granted, they have had some QB trouble in the past, but nobody in that division has a solid QB! Regardless, I can't wait to see what happens.

chicago's defense is no where near as good as it was when they made their run to the super bowl in '06, or in '05 when that defense basically carried that team. the key players from those years are getting older, and it's showing. couple that with the fact that there are major questions at qb, rb and with the o-line, and it's very plausible that they finish last in the division, though as a bears fan, it's tough for me to that we might have a worse season than the lions.


picks:

AFC East
New England
Buffalo
New York
Miami

AFC North
Pittsburgh
x - Cleveland
Cincinnati
Baltimore

AFC South
Indianapolis
x - Jacksonville
Houston
Tennessee

AFC West
San Diego
Oakland
Denver
Kansas City

NFC East
Dallas
x - Philadelphia
x - N.Y Giants
Washington

NFC North
Minnesota
Green Bay
Chicago
Detroit

NFC South
New Orleans
Carolina
Tampa Bay
Atlanta

NFC West
Seattle
Arizona
St. Louis
San Fransisco

PLAYOFFS

AFC Wild Card Playoff
(3) San Diego over (6) Jacksonville
(5) Cleveland over (4) Pittsburgh

AFC Divisional Playoff
(1) New England over (5) Cleveland
(3) San Diego over (2) Indianapolis

AFC Championship
(3) San Diego over (1) New England


NFC Wild Card Playoff
(6) New York over (3) New Orleans
(5) Philadelphia over (4) Minnesota

NFC Divisional Playoff
(1) Dallas over (6) New York
(5) Philadelphia over (2) Seattle

NFC Championship
(1) Dallas over (5) Philadelphia

NFL Super Bowl
San Diego over Dallas

AWARDS

MVP: LaDainian Tomlinson, San Diego
Offensive POY: LaDainian Tomlinson, San Diego
Defensive POY: Troy Polamalu, Pittsburgh
Offensive ROY: Darren McFadden, Oakland or Matt Forte, Chicago (bit of a homer pick)
Defensive ROY: Keith Rivers, Cincinnati
Coach of the Year: Norv Turner, San Diego

[IcedOpethBlind]

AFC East
New England
N.Y Jets
Buffalo
Miami

AFC North
Pittsburgh
Cleveland (WC)
Cincinnati
Baltimore


AFC South
Indianapolis
Jacksonville (WC)
Houston
Tennessee

AFC West
San Diego
Oakland
Denver
Kansas City

NFC East
Dallas
Philadelphia (WC)
NY Giants
Washington

NFC North
Green Bay
Minnesota
Chicago
Detroit


NFC South
New Orleans
Carolina (WC)
Tampa Bay
Atlanta

NFC West
Seattle
Arizona
San Fransisco
St. Louis

NFL Super Bowl
San Diego over Dallas

AWARDS
MVP: LaDainian Tomlinson, San Diego
Offensive POY: LaDainian Tomlinson, San Diego
Defensive POY: Patrick Willis, San Francisco
Offensive ROY: Darren McFadden, Oakland
Defensive ROY: Jerod Mayo, New England
Coach of the Year: John Fox, Carolina

[livethesounds]

wow, so like everyone thinks an improved titans team will finish in last place?

i'll be honest, i havn't seen anywhere that predicts Oakland to be a playoff contender. i've been looking for it more now that i hear all the talk in here.

[xbrokendownx]

titans are at BEST the third best team in that division. they could very well end up with the same record as houston

[livethesounds]

titans are at BEST the third best team in that division. they could very well end up with the same record as houston

Tennessee isn't that far behind the Colts or Jags. They split with both teams last year and finished only a game behind the Jags last year. I'll agree that the Jags and Colts have an edge over the Titans, but i just think it's funny that the last like 15 people all picked the titans to finish last behind even Houston.

[Scott Weber]

Last time I checked, the Titans are still "led" by Vince Young.

So....

[FondestMemory]

wow, so like everyone thinks an improved titans team will finish in last place?

i'll be honest, i havn't seen anywhere that predicts Oakland to be a playoff contender. i've been looking for it more now that i hear all the talk in here.

where's all the talk in here about oakland as a playoff contender? outside of lwo and myself, it's nonexistent. and i haven't seen anywhere else predict it either, but that's irrelevant. these are my predictions, not predictions i read somewhere else.

[livethesounds]

where's all the talk in here about oakland as a playoff contender? outside of lwo and myself, it's nonexistent. and i haven't seen anywhere else predict it either, but that's irrelevant. these are my predictions, not predictions i read somewhere else.

well, looking at the last couple of pages of predictions nearly everyone has the raiders finishing second ( a couple have them winning the WC ). Maybe you guys talk have influenced that or something, but it seems like more people than i would have thought picking them to at least have a good / decent season.

[Scott Weber]

oakland's defense has the potential to be absolutely dominating this year.

[Chris M.]

well, looking at the last couple of pages of predictions nearly everyone has the raiders finishing second ( a couple have them winning the WC ). Maybe you guys talk have influenced that or something, but it seems like more people than i would have thought picking them to at least have a good / decent season.

most people have them finishing second in that division because it's probably the worst division in the afc. san diego should win the division quite easily, while kansas city will likely struggle to win 5 games and we'll be in the basement of the division, that leaves 2nd place up for grabs between denver and oakland. i, for one, like oakland's defense a lot better than denver's, as well as their run game. denver has the better qb (for now) with cutler, but i doubt oakland's going to ask a lot out of russell this season, especially with a backfield of mcfadden, fargas and michael bush.

keep in mind, this doesn't mean i think they'll make the playoffs, though i think they very well could finish 9-7 and sneak in.

[IcedOpethBlind]

the thing is 9-7 wont get it done in the AFC...so brutal.

[Scott Weber]

I don't think the AFC is half as good as people make it out to be anymore from top to bottom. It's living on reputation. Still the stronger division, but it's a little overblown. The AFC East and AFC West are really bad divisions outside of the top teams.

[looksthatkillbn]

wow, so like everyone thinks an improved titans team will finish in last place?

i'll be honest, i havn't seen anywhere that predicts Oakland to be a playoff contender. i've been looking for it more now that i hear all the talk in here.

the only person i've seen talk about the raiders is john clayton

I don't think the AFC is half as good as people make it out to be anymore from top to bottom. It's living on reputation. Still the stronger division, but it's a little overblown. The AFC East and AFC West are really bad divisions outside of the top teams.

this is a fact. the nfc east and afc south are the top two divisions. afc north is third best just because of cleveland and cincy. past that none is too impressive.

[livethesounds]

I don't think the AFC is half as good as people make it out to be anymore from top to bottom. It's living on reputation. Still the stronger division, but it's a little overblown. The AFC East and AFC West are really bad divisions outside of the top teams.

yea, but the AFC south and north have 3 or more teams (currently) that can finish above .500 and win the division. For me the verdict is still out on just how good or bad the Broncos or Jets will be, and maybe the Raiders and Bills step up and solidify it, but i still think the AFC is the strongest division.

in other news. cant wait for madden tonight!

[IcedOpethBlind]

im so upset i dont have the money to pick up the new madden right now

i still play '08 almost every day lol

i love running a franchise

[livethesounds]

i play at least 5 years in franchise every year. this is the first year that i'll have at least 4 years of actual college players to draft from though (first year i found out how to download rosters for ncaa09). pretty excited about that.

[rcrook]

AFC East:
New England
New York
Buffalo
Miami

AFC North:
Pittsburgh
Cleveland
Cincinnati
Baltimore

AFC South:
Indianapolis
Jacksonville
Tennessee
Houston


AFC West:
San Diego
Oakland
Denver
Kansas City

AFC Wild Card:
(3) Indianapolis over (6) Cleveland
(5) Jacksonville over (4) Pittsburgh

AFC Divisional Round:
(1) New England over Jacksonville
(2) San Diego over (3) Indianapolis

AFC Championship:
(2) San Diego over (1) New England

NFC East:
Dallas
Philadelphia
New York
Washington

NFC North:
Green Bay
Minnesota
Chicago
Detroit

NFC South:
New Orleans
Carolina
Tampa Bay
Atlanta

NFC West:
Seattle
Arizona
San Francisco
St. Louis

NFC Wild Card:
(3) Seattle over (6) Arizona
(5) Philadelphia over (4) Green Bay

NFC Divisional:
(1) Dallas over (5) Philadelphia
(2) New Orleans over (3) Seattle

NFC Championship:
(2) New Orleans over (1) Dallas

Super Bowl XLIII:
San Diego over New Orleans

[1moreandimfree]

lol you homer

[rcrook]

as 10 other people pick san diego to win....

[1moreandimfree]

4 does not equal 10

[Scott Weber]

hahahah

[rcrook]

sure feels like 10

[iihungrieii]

titans to the superbowl!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[atticusfinch]

AFC East
New England
x-N.Y. Jets
Buffalo
Miami

AFC North
Pittsburgh
Cincinatti
Cleveland
Baltimore

AFC South
Jacksonville
x-Indianapolis
Houston
Tennessee

AFC West
San Diego
Oakland
Denver
Kansas City

NFC East
Dallas
N.Y Giants
Philadelphia
Washington

NFC North
Green Bay
x-Minnesota
Detroit
Chicago

NFC South
New Orleans
x-Carolina
Tampa Bay
Atlanta

NFC West
Seattle
Arizona
St. Louis
San Fransisco

PLAYOFFS

AFC Wild Card Playoff
(3) New England over (6) N.Y. Jets
(4) Pittsburgh over (5) Indianapolis

AFC Divisional Playoff
(1) San Diego over (4) Pittsburgh
(2) Jacksonville over (3) New England

AFC Championship
(2) Jacksonville over (1) San Diego

--

NFC Wild Card Playoff
(4) Green Bay over (5) Carolina
(6) Minnesota over (3) Seattle

NFC Divisional Playoff
(1) Dallas over (4) Green Bay
(6) Minnesota over (2) New Orleans

NFC Championship
(1) Dallas over (3) Minnesota

NFL Super Bowl
Jacksonville over Dallas

[naked_colts_fan]

AFC East
New England (13-3)
N.Y Jets (9-7 or 10-6)
Buffalo (9-7)
Miami (4-12)

AFC North
Cleveland (11-5)
Pittsburgh (10-6)
Baltimore (8-8)
Cincinatti (5-11)

AFC South
Indianapolis (12-4)
x-Jacksonville (10-6)
Houston (9-7)
Tennessee (7-9)

AFC West
San Diego (14-2)
x-Denver (9-7)
Oakland (6-10)
Kansas City (6-10)

NFC East
Dallas (11-5)
x-N.Y. Giants (11-5)
Philadelphia (9-7)
Washington (8-8)

NFC North
Minnesota (12-4)
x-Green Bay (9-7)
Detroit (6-10)
Chicago (4-12)

NFC South
New Orleans (11-5)
Carolina (9-7)
Tampa Bay (7-9)
Atlanta (7-9)

NFC West
Seattle (10-6)
Arizona (9-7)
St. Louis (5-11)
San Fransisco (3-13)

Super Bowl
Indianapolis over Minnesota

Super Bowl MVP
Peyton Manning


AWARDS

MVP: Adrian Peterson
Offensive POY: Adrian Peterson
Defensive POY: Antonio Cromartie
Offensive ROY: Jonathan Stewart
Defensive ROY: Glenn Dorsey
Coach of the Year: Tony Dungy

[looksthatkillbn]

your records combined equal out to 17 games over .500

first post fail.

[rcrook]

Vikings in the super bowl?

[MIKEY_HORROR]

Superbowl
Minn over NE

MVP
M Williams
(2 Int) 8 tck.

longshot, but I decided to be different...and am still slightly bitter he is no longer a bengal

[rcrook]

vikings win the super bowl?!?!?!

tavaris jackson is their fucking quarterback!!!!!!!!

[mikeyxxcore]

AFC East

AFC North
Cleveland (11-5)
Pittsburgh (10-6)
Baltimore (8-8)
Cincinatti (5-11)



you just put WAY too much stock in the AFC North.
the only team I can see actually having one of those records is Pittsburgh,
Baltimroe and Cincinatti could and maybe should be in the lower 6 teams in the NFL this year.
Baltimore for sure, Cinci for their rep, injuries and awful defense.

[xbrokendownx]

baltimore 8-8 lolol

[iihungrieii]

AFC East
New England (13-3)
N.Y Jets (9-7 or 10-6)
Buffalo (9-7)
Miami (4-12)

AFC North
Cleveland (11-5)
Pittsburgh (10-6)
Baltimore (8-8)
Cincinatti (5-11)

AFC South
Indianapolis (12-4)
x-Jacksonville (10-6)
Houston (9-7)
Tennessee (7-9)

AFC West
San Diego (14-2)
x-Denver (9-7)
Oakland (6-10)
Kansas City (6-10)

NFC East
Dallas (11-5)
x-N.Y. Giants (11-5)
Philadelphia (9-7)
Washington (8-8)

NFC North
Minnesota (12-4)
x-Green Bay (9-7)
Detroit (6-10)
Chicago (4-12)

NFC South
New Orleans (11-5)
Carolina (9-7)
Tampa Bay (7-9)
Atlanta (7-9)

NFC West
Seattle (10-6)
Arizona (9-7)
St. Louis (5-11)
San Fransisco (3-13)

Super Bowl
Indianapolis over Minnesota

Super Bowl MVP
Peyton Manning


AWARDS

MVP: Adrian Peterson
Offensive POY: Adrian Peterson
Defensive POY: Antonio Cromartie
Offensive ROY: Jonathan Stewart
Defensive ROY: Glenn Dorsey
Coach of the Year: Tony Dungy

LOL....

[IcedOpethBlind]

giving out W's like theyre doughnuts

[deadstar]

I think winner of the AFC North goes 7-9. Those teams play a brutal schedule this year,

[looksthatkillbn]

I think winner of the AFC North goes 7-9. Those teams play a brutal schedule this year,

if any team in the north wins ten games, they could legitimately be the best team in the afc. schedules are disgusting.

[rcrook]

i wouldnt put the browns in the same breathe as the colts, patriots or chargers

[LeftWideOpen]

or the jaguars, even.

but the season hasn't started, so we'll see.

[xbrokendownx]

i would put the Steelers up there with those teams at this moment, but like LWO said, still havent started the year so who knows. plus theyre schedule is rough

[LeftWideOpen]

so that kid not exactly being a math whiz prompted me to back up my initial picks with actual records. here's my best guess:

AFC East
New England 14-2
N.Y Jets 8-8
Buffalo 7-9
Miami 5-11

AFC North
Pittsburgh 9-7
Cleveland 7-9
Cincinati 6-10
Baltimore 5-11

AFC South
Indianapolis 12-4
Jacksonville 11-5
Houston 7-9
Tennessee 6-10

AFC West
San Diego 13-3
Oakland 9-7
Denver 7-9
Kansas City 3-13

NFC East
Dallas 12-4
Philadelphia 10-6
N.Y Giants 8-8
Washington 7-9

NFC North
Minnesota 9-7
Green Bay 8-8
Detroit 6-10
Chicago 5-11

NFC South
Carolina 10-6
New Orleans 10-6
Tampa Bay 7-9
Atlanta 4-12

NFC West
Seattle 11-5
Arizona 8-8
St. Louis 7-9
San Fransisco 5-11

[LastPlaceRocks]

Superbowl
Minn over NE

MVP
M Williams
(2 Int) 8 tck.

longshot, but I decided to be different...and am still slightly bitter he is no longer a bengal
That'd be nice, but no.

[speak easy]

[quote=LeftWideOpen;19068211]so that kid not exactly being a math whiz prompted me to back up my initial picks with actual records. here's my best guess:

AFC East
New England 14-2
N.Y Jets 8-8
Buffalo 7-9
Miami 5-11


wayyy off

[IcedOpethBlind]

NE is 11-5 at worst...i dont think 14-2 is unattainable with that offense still intact....defense is worse, but they're still the cream of the crop.

[looksthatkillbn]

i wouldnt put the browns in the same breathe as the colts, patriots or chargers

hence why they won't win ten games.

[FondestMemory]

NE is 11-5 at worst...i dont think 14-2 is unattainable with that offense still intact....defense is worse, but they're still the cream of the crop.

the offense should be just as good, if not better than last season. not to mention the schedule is ridiculously light.

14-15 wins is extremely possible.

i'd say 12 at minimum. barring a major injury of course.

[CstSnow]

THis is going to be way out of left field, but the 49ers are my sleeper pick to win the NFC west. I am going to go with 10-6. J.T. O'Sullivan is going to surprise a lot of people.

[Scott Weber]

THis is going to be way out of left field, but the 49ers are my sleeper pick to win the NFC west. I am going to go with 10-6. J.T. O'Sullivan is going to surprise a lot of people.
hahaha, it was only a matter of time. even if that team improves, they are still the worst team in that division.

[xbrokendownx]

THis is going to be way out of left field, but the 49ers are my sleeper pick to win the NFC west. I am going to go with 10-6. J.T. O'Sullivan is going to surprise a lot of people.



http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/2/maxwell_smart__confused.gif

[rcrook]

the 9ers will be 8-8 at best but probably have 6 or 7 wins

[Scott Weber]

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/2/maxwell_smart__confused.gif
haha that one is amazing.

[Scott Weber]

the 9ers will be 8-8 at best but probably have 6 or 7 wins
more like 3 or 4 wins. Maybe 5.

[rcrook]

who is this years sexy pick? the 9ers were it last year.

[Drew Beringer]

THis is going to be way out of left field, but the 49ers are my sleeper pick to win the NFC west. I am going to go with 10-6. J.T. O'Sullivan is going to surprise a lot of people.
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a298/Drew51/ColbertForShame.gif

[Drew Beringer]

who is this years sexy pick? the 9ers were it last year.
Honestly in the NFC the trendy pick is Minnesota, AFC trendy pick is Cleveland and maybe the Jets now.

[LastPlaceRocks]

who is this years sexy pick? the 9ers were it last year.
Vikings.

[rcrook]

tavaris jackson is too far shitty of a qb to lead the vikings to a super bowl like a few fools predicted here

[LeftWideOpen]

I'm telling you guys ... Oakland and Carolina.

theres your super bowl

(not really, but they are both making the playoffs).

[rcrook]

Oakland's defense is going to be real good

[Drew Beringer]

tavaris jackson is too far shitty of a qb to lead the vikings to a super bowl like a few fools predicted here
I agree, but "analysts" are counting on AP (who will get hurt this year and miss significant time) and the defense will carry the team.

[CstSnow]

hahaha, it was only a matter of time. even if that team improves, they are still the worst team in that division.

How do you figure, their D is as good or better as any in the division, and the last few years when they have been HORRIBLE they have a 6-6 record in the division. So how are they easily the worst team in the division when they have gotten better and before the improvement were a .500 team in the division?

[xbrokendownx]

seattle is easily better than them, i dont have to argue that. the cardinals have the best passing game in the division and maybe the entire NFC, so that puts them ahead of SF. and the Rams offense will bounce back, although their D is still shit. the niners have the worst team in the division, and thats saying something because that divsion sucks

[LastPlaceRocks]

tavaris jackson is too far shitty of a qb to lead the vikings to a super bowl like a few fools predicted here

That wasn't me. I think Jackson will have a good year if he stays healthy, but the only way the Vikings will reach the Super Bowl is if they have the greatest D of all time. And even then that's a stretch.

[LeftWideOpen]

Yeah.... the NFC West, to me, is essentially this:

Seattle










Arizona, St. Louis, San Fransisco. Any of these teams finishing 2nd wouldnt surprise me. Any of them making the playoffs would.

[rcrook]

id much rather have seattles defense over san fran's

[Scott Weber]

How do you figure, their D is as good or better as any in the division, and the last few years when they have been HORRIBLE they have a 6-6 record in the division. So how are they easily the worst team in the division when they have gotten better and before the improvement were a .500 team in the division?
their D is not better than seattle's or even close. that's a joke.

they may have won a few division games when teams underestimated them or when they were destroyed by injuries, but what does that really demonstrate? that they can go .500 in the worst division in the NFL? somehow this means they're ready to win the division? they can't beat good competition, which they're going to have to do in order to win the division. they may have beaten seattle 2 years ago with seneca wallace scrambling around or the rams with some sacks of potatoes for offensive linemen, but when everyone in the division is healthy they just don't stand a chance to win consistently.

they have a brand new offense, a completely untested quarterback, old or bad receivers. that offense is a mess and there's no looking around that. San Fran continues to have one of the most overrated defenses every offseason. they may be talented on paper, but in reality their offense can't stay on the field and the D gets gassed early and often.

[CstSnow]

seattle is easily better than them, i dont have to argue that. the cardinals have the best passing game in the division and maybe the entire NFC, so that puts them ahead of SF. and the Rams offense will bounce back, although their D is still shit. the niners have the worst team in the division, and thats saying something because that divsion sucks

I would agree that Seattle is better than them, but SF has always played them really tough, sweeping and splitting the last two years. The Cardinals wont do anything, Kurt Warner will play decently, then get hurt and they will fall apart, and the Rams are no good.

Sf has Martz who WILL revitalize their offense, and they have two of the better defensive players in the league (Willis, and Clement) on a really solid defense. Im not saying they are going to win the Super Bowl, but they will be a lot better, either 9-7 or 10-6.

[Scott Weber]

49er fans always hold on to that sweep in 06. whatever gets you through the night. seattle played without I believe 7 offensive starters in that game, including hasselbeck, engram, alexander, and 2 offensive linemen. and SF barely, and I mean barely won.

[xbrokendownx]

mike martz coached teams have finished last in the league in rushing like the past 3 years. just saying

[CstSnow]

their D is not better than seattle's or even close. that's a joke.

they may have won a few division games when teams underestimated them or when they were destroyed by injuries, but what does that really demonstrate? that they can go .500 in the worst division in the NFL? somehow this means they're ready to win the division? they can't beat good competition, which they're going to have to do in order to win the division. they may have beaten seattle 2 years ago with seneca wallace scrambling around or the rams with some sacks of potatoes for offensive linemen, but when everyone in the division is healthy they just don't stand a chance to win consistently.

they have a brand new offense, a completely untested quarterback, old or bad receivers. that offense is a mess and there's no looking around that. San Fran continues to have one of the most overrated defenses every offseason. they may be talented on paper, but in reality their offense can't stay on the field and the D gets gassed early and often.

I completely agree that this has been the case the last few years, but this year the D is even better, and the offense is going to be improved so you will see less of a tired D at the end of games.

And their receiving corps is going to surprise people this year. Vernon Davis will have a break out year, Bruce is old, but will be ok, I really like Bryant Johnson, and I think Josh Morgan has the potential to be a huge sleeper.

[Scott Weber]

mike martz coached teams have finished last in the league in rushing like the past 3 years. just saying
mike martz teams have also been terrible those years. haha.

[LeftWideOpen]

seattle is easily better than them, i dont have to argue that. the cardinals have the best passing game in the division and maybe the entire NFC, so that puts them ahead of SF. and the Rams offense will bounce back, although their D is still shit. the niners have the worst team in the division, and thats saying something because that divsion sucks

no offense, but are you really going to try and pass that off as logical evidence to back up such a definitive statement as "the niners are the worst team in the division".

i really don't see much of a case for anyone to say st louis > san fransisco or vice versa. predictions are one thing, but i don't think there is a legit reason to write off someone's opinion based off being so sure that SF is the worst team in the division. there just isnt the evidence for it.

winning the division is a whole different issue, but im willing to give the kid a break because he at least said its a sleeper pick.

[Scott Weber]

I completely agree that this has been the case the last few years, but this year the D is even better, and the offense is going to be improved so you will see less of a tired D at the end of games.

And their receiving corps is going to surprise people this year. Vernon Davis will have a break out year, Bruce is old, but will be ok, I really like Bryant Johnson, and I think Josh Morgan has the potential to be a huge sleeper.
How exactly will Vernon Davis have a break out year? How? Because Martz says so? When was the last time a tight end did ANYTHING in Martz's offense? The answer is never. Bryant Johnson is a lazy route runner who was a giant bust out of college. Expect nothing from him.

The 49ers defense is touted every year for the past 3 years and each time it has completely underachieved, and that's before they got totally gassed. They're just not that good.

[CstSnow]

mike martz coached teams have finished last in the league in rushing like the past 3 years. just saying

Gore is the best back he has had to work with since Faulk in his prime, and he was pretty good in the Martz system.*


*In no way do I think that Martz is a great or even good head coach, but you cant argue with his teams offensive achievements.

[Scott Weber]

no offense, but are you really going to try and pass that off as logical evidence to back up such a definitive statement as "the niners are the worst team in the division".

i really don't see much of a case for anyone to say st louis > san fransisco or vice versa. predictions are one thing, but i don't think there is a legit reason to write off someone's opinion based off being so sure that SF is the worst team in the division. there just isnt the evidence for it.

winning the division is a whole different issue, but im willing to give the kid a break because he at least said its a sleeper pick.
I think there is. The Rams were a .500 team in 2006 that lost twice on last second field goals. Bulger, Steven Jackson, the entire (I mean entire) offensive line was all hurt last year. They weren't even the Rams. They made some nice pickups and got everyone healthy again. That's going to be a potent offense again, and while the defense remains an issue, it's manageable. It was in 06 and it will be again. To me, they're a lock to win at least 6 games while the Niners are only a lock to win 3.

[xbrokendownx]

no offense, but are you really going to try and pass that off as logical evidence to back up such a definitive statement as "the niners are the worst team in the division".

i really don't see much of a case for anyone to say st louis > san fransisco or vice versa. predictions are one thing, but i don't think there is a legit reason to write off someone's opinion based off being so sure that SF is the worst team in the division. there just isnt the evidence for it.

winning the division is a whole different issue, but im willing to give the kid a break because he at least said its a sleeper pick.





fair enough. i just cant take a team with JT O Sullivan as QB seriously

[xbrokendownx]

i also think its funny that the dolphins get to play the NFC west haha thank god

[CstSnow]

fair enough. i just cant take a team with JT O Sullivan as QB seriously


But, but he was the NFL Europe MVP haha.

I am obviously in the minority but I went out to the open practices at training camp a couple times and I really like O'Sullivan. Plus it will be such a good story if he succeeds with his hometown team that he grew up liking.

[rcrook]

i went and saw richie sexson at an open batting practice and he hit 15 balls out of the yard so he is obviously a great hitter....

[CstSnow]

i went and saw richie sexson at an open batting practice and he hit 15 balls out of the yard so he is obviously a great hitter....

What a horrible analogy, because BP is the same as full team scrimmages... and where did I say O ' Sullivan is a GREAT Qb. I said I thought he would surprise people and has the chance to be a great story if he succeeds. Way different than proclaiming his greatness.

[Scott Weber]

i love having a discussion with somebody when they ignore your posts and respond to other people's because they don't have a good answer.

[rcrook]

a 9ers fan yesterday told me that the chargers werent going to be good this year because they only beat the 9ers 20-17 last week

[xbrokendownx]

you mean preseason doesnt mean anything?!?!?!11

[CstSnow]

i love having a discussion with somebody when they ignore your posts and respond to other people's because they don't have a good answer.

You said what you had to say, I said what I had to say we wont know who is right until the games are played.

But can you be really naive enough to think the Vernon Davis couldnt possibly have a break out year? The raw physical ability is there and Martz has said he will utilize him a lot. No Martz TE has had a good year because he hasnt ever had an elite TE which VD has the chance to be.

With him, Gore, Josh Morgan, Battle, Johnson, and Bruce their offense is going to be light years better than last years which was almost historically bad, there is no way they wont be leaps and bounds better. That will keep the D off of the field and make that unit even better.

And yes the year they swept the Seahawks injuries played a big part of it, but how about last year when the split the series, the fact is no matter how bad they have been SF has played the division really tough.

[CstSnow]

a 9ers fan yesterday told me that the chargers werent going to be good this year because they only beat the 9ers 20-17 last week

Well he was obviously and idiot... what does that have to do with a discussion about the 49ers? A lot of Angels fans are idiots (read Halos Heaven for a laugh sometime) does that make their team bad?

[xbrokendownx]

lol @ anyone expecting anything from Arnez Battle, Bryant Johnson, and Josh Morgan

[morebreakdowns]

Sparked by the forecasting going on in the NFL thread right now. What are your predictions?



NFL Super Bowl
New England over Dallas


[quote=livethesounds;16334721]Continuing my prediction of the Cowboys winning the championship for the 4th straight year...



NFL Super Bowl
Dallas over Jacksonville



i unfourtunetly can't agree with either of your super bowl predictions since you each have your hometown team winning it all.

1) like the taste the mets still feel from last year's collapse the pats will have the same from losing the only game that mattered to (my team) the giants.

2) dallas is good and is most likely the strongest team in the nfc east. adam jones will destroy the atmospere of that team

[rcrook]

Well he was obviously and idiot... what does that have to do with a discussion about the 49ers? A lot of Angels fans are idiots (read Halos Heaven for a laugh sometime) does that make their team bad?

wow you are mindboggling

[rcrook]

[quote=LeftWideOpen;16331421]Sparked by the forecasting going on in the NFL thread right now. What are your predictions?



NFL Super Bowl
New England over Dallas



i unfourtunetly can't agree with either of your super bowl predictions since you each have your hometown team winning it all.

1) like the taste the mets still feel from last year's collapse the pats will have the same from losing the only game that mattered to (my team) the giants.

2) dallas is good and is most likely the strongest team in the nfc east. adam jones will destroy the atmospere of that team

couldn't be any farther from the truth

[CstSnow]

lol @ anyone expecting anything from Arnez Battle, Bryant Johnson, and Josh Morgan

As their 4th, 5th, and 6th options they are not bad, if those were a teams top weapons yes they would be in trouble, but as your back end guys it could be a lot worse.

[CstSnow]

wow you are mindboggling

How am I mindboggling ? All YOU have brought to the discussion is a shitty Richie Sexson analogy, and an out of nowhere story about a 49ers fan you talked to...

[DaveFeelsRight]

Is it just me, or does anybody else find it a little f'n ridiculous that the Patriots (statistically) have the easiest schedule? By statistically, I mean that the overall win % of their opponents is lower than any other team's schedule. I'd also like to point out that Chicago is at the bottom or very close to the bottom of everybody's NFC North list. They've got one of the best defenses in the league! Granted, they have had some QB trouble in the past, but nobody in that division has a solid QB! Regardless, I can't wait to see what happens.you're nuts. the bears defense is old as balls.

[LeftWideOpen]

How am I mindboggling ? All YOU have brought to the discussion is a shitty Richie Sexson analogy, and an out of nowhere story about a 49ers fan you talked to...

... he has a point.

in response to weber, thats all good support for predicting the rams will be better. they very well may be (i happen to think they finish ahead, too). i felt like commenting because people seem to be ganging up on this guy for comments that really weren't all that bold and people responding by saying the 49ers are so clearly the worst team in the division made about as little sense to me as saying they could be a sleeper? :shrug:

the rams and cardinals are both so mediocre that i don't think the 49ers finishing ahead of them is that far-fetched. its one of the worst divisions in football.

[Scott Weber]

You said what you had to say, I said what I had to say we wont know who is right until the games are played.

But can you be really naive enough to think the Vernon Davis couldnt possibly have a break out year? The raw physical ability is there and Martz has said he will utilize him a lot. No Martz TE has had a good year because he hasnt ever had an elite TE which VD has the chance to be.

With him, Gore, Josh Morgan, Battle, Johnson, and Bruce their offense is going to be light years better than last years which was almost historically bad, there is no way they wont be leaps and bounds better. That will keep the D off of the field and make that unit even better.

And yes the year they swept the Seahawks injuries played a big part of it, but how about last year when the split the series, the fact is no matter how bad they have been SF has played the division really tough.
I'm not naive, but i do think it's naive to think he WILL have a breakout year. It's fine to be cautiously optimistic. he's not going to get a lot worse.

dirt may be better than turds, but it's still dirt. that's still a very, VERY bad WR core.

dude. it's ONE GAME that they beat seattle. you have to let go of that. honestly. you can't just pick out one game here and there to have hope. you have to look at their work as a whole, not a game in which they beat a CLEARLY better team.

[Scott Weber]

As their 4th, 5th, and 6th options they are not bad, if those were a teams top weapons yes they would be in trouble, but as your back end guys it could be a lot worse.
4th, 5th, and 6th weapons? What world are you living in?

[xbrokendownx]

i guess hes saying Gore, Davis, and Isaac Bruce are the 1-2-3, but still

[CstSnow]

I'm not naive, but i do think it's naive to think he WILL have a breakout year. It's fine to be cautiously optimistic. he's not going to get a lot worse.

dirt may be better than turds, but it's still dirt. that's still a very, VERY bad WR core.

dude. it's ONE GAME that they beat seattle. you have to let go of that. honestly. you can't just pick out one game here and there to have hope. you have to look at their work as a whole, not a game in which they beat a CLEARLY better team.

except its not only ONE game, they are .500 against the NFC west over a 3 year period, one game could be a fluke but 3 years?

[Scott Weber]

i guess hes saying Gore, Davis, and Isaac Bruce are the 1-2-3, but still
i didn't know we ranked total offensive players as part of "weapons" when talking about WRs specifically.

[CstSnow]

4th, 5th, and 6th weapons? What world are you living in?

Gore, Davis, Bruce, then them, how are they not the 4th, 5th, and 6th weapons?

[xbrokendownx]

i didn't know we ranked total offensive players as part of "weapons" when talking about WRs specifically.




duh scott!

[Scott Weber]

except its not only ONE game, they are .500 against the NFC west over a 3 year period, one game could be a fluke but 3 years?
Dude! Oh my god.

Who cares how they've been against the NFC West? News flash - .500 is NOT GOOD. This is what really matters:

http://photos-g.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v338/187/67/10700758/n10700758_39526054_8490.jpg

That is IT. Nothing else. Nothing against the rest of a weak NFC, or some wins against crippled Seattle.

[CstSnow]

i didn't know we ranked total offensive players as part of "weapons" when talking about WRs specifically.


This would maybe make sense if I said they were the 4th, 5th and 6th receivers, I specifically said weapons, I never talked only about the receiving corps all I have said is the offense as a whole.

[xbrokendownx]

yea it doesnt matter if you go 6-6 against the NFC west if you go like 10-30 against the rest of the teams you play...

[rcrook]

except its not only ONE game, they are .500 against the NFC west over a 3 year period, one game could be a fluke but 3 years?

who cares what their winning percentage is against the rest of the nfc west over the last 3 years. outside of division play the 9ers have been pretty shitty. 2-8 in 07, 4-6 in 06 and 2-8 in 05. so outside of nfc west play the past 3 years they are a combined 8-22.

[Scott Weber]

This would maybe make sense if I said they were the 4th, 5th and 6th receivers, I specifically said weapons, I never talked only about the receiving corps all I have said is the offense as a whole.
Ok, if you're not concerned about anything after your #1 WR, who is 65 years old, that's fine with me.

[CstSnow]

Dude! Oh my god.

Who cares how they've been against the NFC West? News flash - .500 is NOT GOOD. This is what really matters:



That is IT. Nothing else. Nothing against the rest of a weak NFC, or some wins against crippled Seattle.

So if a team was 6-0 in their division and .500 against the rest of the league and another team was 0-6 in the division but undefeated against the rest of the league, the team who was better against the rest of the league would be the best team in the division?

[LeftWideOpen]

So if a team was 6-0 in their division and .500 against the rest of the league and another team was 0-6 in the division but undefeated against the rest of the league, the team who was better against the rest of the league would be the best team in the division?

and this is where you lost me.

edit: and the 6-0 team would be better, regardless, because they'd be 11-5.

[xbrokendownx]

that doesnt prove your point at all, and that situation will never happen so its really pointless

[CstSnow]

who cares what their winning percentage is against the rest of the nfc west over the last 3 years. outside of division play the 9ers have been pretty shitty. 2-8 in 07, 4-6 in 06 and 2-8 in 05. so outside of nfc west play the past 3 years they are a combined 8-22.

With a bust of a QB, a different shitty offensive coordinator each year, and a tired defense. It is a different team this year, they WILL be improved, to what degree is of course debatable, some think they will merely go from pretty much worst team in the league to bad. I think they will be average or a tick above average.

[CstSnow]

that doesnt prove your point at all, and that situation will never happen so its really pointless

...yah it was a dumb argument haha.

[rcrook]

The gap between Smith and O'Sullivan is minimal, like previously stated Mike Martz's teams have been shit as of late and you're defense is still below average. I don't see how that equates out to being average or a tick above average

[xbrokendownx]

i mean i hate ripping on the niners because i actually like a lot of their players, but the facts are that they have a shit QB, crap WRs, and a shaky defense at best

[FondestMemory]

first off, bryant johnson couldn't accomplish shit when fitzgerald and boldin were eating up all the attention. now you expect him to be even remotely relevant as a top three wr? good luck with that. bruce is old and past his good days, but still the best option. not a good sign. battle only shows up a few weeks a year and josh morgan wouldn't make 31 rosters in this league.

Gore is the best back he has had to work with since Faulk in his prime, and he was pretty good in the Martz system.*


*In no way do I think that Martz is a great or even good head coach, but you cant argue with his teams offensive achievements.

but you can.

you can't argue with what he accomplished when he had the most versatile running back ever, a qb having some of the best seasons in league history and the fastest wr corps in the league playing more than half their games on indoor turf.

try to argue how awesome detroit's offense was the past few years though.

i unfourtunetly can't agree with either of your super bowl predictions since you each have your hometown team winning it all.

1) like the taste the mets still feel from last year's collapse the pats will have the same from losing the only game that mattered to (my team) the giants.

2) dallas is good and is most likely the strongest team in the nfc east. adam jones will destroy the atmospere of that team

one of the most stupid posts i've read. who cares if their hometown teams are their picks? it's not like they went out on a limb. the pats and cowboys are wide favorites nation wide.

the pats have four titles this decade. they know how to be prepared. if anything, that loss will make them more hungry this year.

and just how will pacman destroy the atmosphere of that team? the same way tank johnson did? the same way to did? blanket statements like that are a reach.

[CstSnow]

The gap between Smith and O'Sullivan is minimal, like previously stated Mike Martz's teams have been shit as of late and you're defense is still below average. I don't see how that equates out to being average or a tick above average


You are just wrong with these points, sorry but you are. Yes Martz head coached teams suck, but his OC work cant be argued with, one thing they will do is put up points. And pre injury Smith I agree with you, but he has never been the same since getting hurt last year, his mechanics are so fucked and he has zero confidence.

[xbrokendownx]

if his OC work cant be argued with, why havent the lions been good the past 2 years? Kitna > Smith and OSullivan combined and Roy Williams > any 49er WR since jerry rice. so?

[CstSnow]

i mean i hate ripping on the niners because i actually like a lot of their players, but the facts are that they have a shit QB, crap WRs, and a shaky defense at best


See I would go with untested QB, mediocre to a little below average WR's and a solid defense.

[CstSnow]

if his OC work cant be argued with, why havent the lions been good the past 2 years? Kitna > Smith and OSullivan combined and Roy Williams > any 49er WR since jerry rice. so?


Their is a difference between a team putting up a ton of points and being a good team.
His offenses have been good, the rest of the team has sucked.

[Scott Weber]

You are just wrong with these points, sorry but you are. Yes Martz head coached teams suck, but his OC work cant be argued with, one thing they will do is put up points. And pre injury Smith I agree with you, but he has never been the same since getting hurt last year, his mechanics are so fucked and he has zero confidence.
seriously, talk about how epic the lions offense was. with roy williams.

[xbrokendownx]

name me teams that have worse WRs than the niners. titans, dolphins, ....?

and how is their defense solid? 25th in YPG allowed last year and 20th in PPG allowed

[FondestMemory]

You are just wrong with these points, sorry but you are. Yes Martz head coached teams suck, but his OC work cant be argued with, one thing they will do is put up points. And pre injury Smith I agree with you, but he has never been the same since getting hurt last year, his mechanics are so fucked and he has zero confidence.

look at the lions offensive numbers the past few years.

mike martz is not god.

smith sucked ass even before getting hurt last year. dude's been a bust from the get go and hasn't warranted having any confidence.

[Scott Weber]

That 19th in the league Lions offense sure was great. So was their dead last time of posession. Oh wait, one team was worse.

The fucking 49ers.

Enjoy having a shitty offense and a gassed defense AGAIN. Martz is not a savior.

[xbrokendownx]

thank god miami didnt get the #1 pick and SF didnt pass on Smith in 05. i mean i know we havent had a good QB since then but still, we have Ronnie so

[CstSnow]

name me teams that have worse WRs than the niners. titans, dolphins, ....?

and how is their defense solid? 25th in YPG allowed last year and 20th in PPG allowed


Because they were on the field ALL the time, the offense was 3 and out almost every series, any defense would be run down having to deal with that. Thats almost like saying a pitcher is bad because he doesnt have a nice and shiny E.R.A. Their offense is of course debatable this year and could be really bad, but their defense is solid.

[CstSnow]

look at the lions offensive numbers the past few years.

mike martz is not god.

smith sucked ass even before getting hurt last year. dude's been a bust from the get go and hasn't warranted having any confidence.


Smith may well have been a bust but he has been dealt a horrible hand. A different OC every year in the league and on a horrible team, the one year he had an okay OC (Turner) he was starting to look pretty good near the end of the year.

[rcrook]

thank god miami didnt get the #1 pick and SF didnt pass on Smith in 05. i mean i know we havent had a good QB since then but still, we have Ronnie so

besides the whole favre fiasco how happy is rodgers he isn't in sf

[rcrook]

Because they were on the field ALL the time, the offense was 3 and out almost every series, any defense would be run down having to deal with that. Thats almost like saying a pitcher is bad because he doesnt have a nice and shiny E.R.A. Their offense is of course debatable this year and could be really bad, but their defense is solid.


well like weber said martz's offense was second to last in time of possession so you're defense is still going to be on the field ALL the time.

[xbrokendownx]

i cant wait til the niners win like 4 games and this guy never comes back haha

[IcedOpethBlind]

there is NO way the 49ers win more than 5 games.....6 to be generous....no fucking way though

[xbrokendownx]

who does everyone think will be the worst team? im going with Atlanta or KC

[IcedOpethBlind]

KC likely, but it just doesnt seem right to call them that with the offensive weapons they have.....shit line sandwich kills any chance though lol.

[rcrook]

outside of division games which they will win 3 at most and that is being very generous i only see the niners having a chance against the dolphins, lions and maybe the bills.


edit: the game against the bills is in late november in buffalo so there goes any chance of winning

[IcedOpethBlind]

Buffalo would be my sexy pick out of the AFC

[FondestMemory]

chiefs will be up there.

falcons. and probably rams and niners will be close to the top of the draft. ravens too.

that may be the top five, in some order.

[IcedOpethBlind]

Rams will push 8 wins if they keep SJax & Bulger on the field....injuries were absolutely devastating last year, but they have the talent on both sides of the ball.

[bduke13]

AFC East
New England
N.Y Jets
Buffalo
Miami

AFC North
Pittsburgh
x- Cleveland
Baltimore
Cincinnati

AFC South
Indianapolis
x- Jacksonville
Houston
Tennessee

AFC West
San Diego
Denver
Oakland
Kansas City

NFC East
Dallas
x- Philadelphia
N.Y Giants
Washington

NFC North
Minnesota
Green Bay
Detroit
Chicago

NFC South
Carolina
New Orleans
Tampa Bay
Atlanta

NFC West
Seattle
x- St. Louis
Arizona
San Fransisco

PLAYOFFS

AFC Wild Card Playoff
(3) Indy over (6)Cleveland
(4) Pittsburgh over (5) Jacksonville

AFC Divisional Playoff
(1) New England over (4) Pittsburgh
(2) San Diego over (3) Indianapolis

AFC Championship
(2) San Diego over (1) New England


NFC Wild Card Playoff
(5) Philadelphia over (4) Minnesota
(3) Carolina over (6) St. Louis

NFC Divisional Playoff
(1) Dallas over (5) Philadelphia
(2) Seattle over (3) Carolina

NFC Championship
(1) Dallas over (3) Seattle

NFL Super Bowl
Dallas over San Diego

[rcrook]

how many wins do you think the fins will have?

[LeftWideOpen]

I'd go:

Kansas City
Atlanta
Chicago
Miami
Baltimore

[Scott Weber]

Rams will push 8 wins if they keep SJax & Bulger on the field....injuries were absolutely devastating last year, but they have the talent on both sides of the ball.
the rams have talent on one side of the ball. haha.

[IcedOpethBlind]

witherspoon, atogwe, carriker, long, hill etc. i think they have some defensive talent

im not saying theyre a top unit or anything

[rcrook]

yeah i think 8 wins is pushing it for the rams and i think bduke's prediction of them being a wc is pretty farfetch'd

[xbrokendownx]

how many wins do you think the fins will have?





5-6, especially with the schedule we play. the West divisions are both pretty much crap besides the Chargers and Seahawks (raiders too)

[Scott Weber]

witherspoon, atogwe, carriker, long, hill etc. i think they have some defensive talent

im not saying theyre a top unit or anything
not really though. that defense is easily worst in the division and among the bottom 3 in the conference.

[IcedOpethBlind]

well thankfully the games will begin telling us if we are right or wrong in just a few days!

[CstSnow]

i cant wait til the niners win like 4 games and this guy never comes back haha

Dude, im saying that they COULD be okay. I could see if I was saying they were going to the SB. I have been wrong before and im still here, so whatever.

[xbrokendownx]

10-6 is not "okay". 10-6 is a good team, especially in the NFC

and theres no way SF wins 10 games

[rcrook]

Dude, im saying that they COULD be okay. I could see if I was saying they were going to the SB. I have been wrong before and im still here, so whatever.

you said they were your sleeper pick and would go 10-6 and win the west....

[CstSnow]

well thankfully the games will begin telling us if we are right or wrong in just a few days!

This = truth. Im a waaay bigger baseball fan but the Mariners are fucking depressing outside of Adrian Beltre and King Felix so im looking forward to football season more than I have in a while.

[IcedOpethBlind]

im a big fan of pat willis & nate clements, about the only thing i like about the 49ers, outside of fantasy reasons

[rcrook]

oh well weber must be thrilled that youre a m's fan

[CstSnow]

you said they were your sleeper pick and would go 10-6 and win the west....

I changed that to 9-7 or maybe 10-6 and they are my sleeper pic, they could be good, but arent expected to be.

[xbrokendownx]

im real pumped for thursday night. skins-giants and ill be in Va getting hammered. is Jason Taylor supposed to play?

[Scott Weber]

you said they were your sleeper pick and would go 10-6 and win the west....
yeah seriously, the backtracking is insane now.

[Scott Weber]

and lol @ never admitting about the time of posession thing with martz.

[IcedOpethBlind]

why wouldnt jason taylor play?

[xbrokendownx]

he hurt his ankle like 2 weeks ago and he was supposed to be out 10-14 days

[FondestMemory]

im real pumped for thursday night. skins-giants and ill be in Va getting hammered. is Jason Taylor supposed to play?

game time decision last i heard.

[rcrook]

he got hurt in preseason over a week ago they said 10-14 days to recover

[IcedOpethBlind]

yeah, just read up, 50-50 chance of playing, limited even if he does

[CstSnow]

oh well weber must be thrilled that youre a m's fan

Dude you have brought next to nothing to this discussion, and we have had M's discussion in the past and agree on most stuff... so fuck off.

[bduke13]

yeah i think 8 wins is pushing it for the rams and i think bduke's prediction of them being a wc is pretty farfetch'd

Yea, I wanted to make one interesting pick. I think if they get 8 wins, which isn't too unreasonable, they may be able to slide in there. I'm also not really sold on the Saints, Cardinals, Packers, or Giants being playoff teams

[xbrokendownx]

im definitely rocking my Sean Taylor #36 skins jersey thursday

[Scott Weber]

Dude you have brought next to nothing to this discussion, and we have had M's discussion in the past and agree on most stuff... so fuck off.
yeah, back then I thought you were intelligent about sports.

[IcedOpethBlind]

hah

[CstSnow]

yeah, back then I thought you were intelligent about sports.

Hahahaha okay...So just because someone goes against the established opinion of one team they are now unintelligent regarding sports. Come on man thats ridiculous.

[Scott Weber]

Hahahaha okay...So just because someone goes against the established opinion of one team they are now unintelligent regarding sports. Come on man thats ridiculous.
No, that's not it. Your logic is stupid and you ignored key points made against you because you didn't have a good answer. If you want to be respected, you should try having a back and forth with somebody. I made a big point about time of possession with Martz last year that you never addressed. You also came out and said they would win the division with a 10-6 record and then backed off to say they would be average or slightly above that, and backed up some more.

[CstSnow]

No, that's not it. Your logic is stupid and you ignored key points made against you because you didn't have a good answer. If you want to be respected, you should try having a back and forth with somebody. I made a big point about time of possession with Martz last year that you never addressed. You also came out and said they would win the division with a 10-6 record and then backed off to say they would be average or slightly above that, and backed up some more.

I only backed down to 9-7 with 10-6 being still a possibility so WOW I backpeddled one whole game. And your Martz point is a good point, If they are last in the league in TOP they WILL be fucked, I have no problem admitting that, but from what I have seen they will not be last in the league, probably somewhere right in the middle. They are going to be an average to slightly below average offensive team with a stout defense. I stand by that, and like others have said the beauty of it is the games are starting next week and we will begin to see who is right.

And I didnt ignore your post, I was trying to reply to 3-4 people all at the same time and it just got lost in the shuffle, but whatever.

[rcrook]

I only backed down to 9-7 with 10-6 being still a possibility so WOW I backpeddled one whole game. And your Martz point is a good point, If they are last in the league in TOP they WILL be fucked, I have no problem admitting that, but from what I have seen they will not be last in the league, probably somewhere right in the middle. They are going to be an average to slightly below average offensive team with a stout defense. I stand by that, and like others have said the beauty of it is the games are starting next week and we will begin to see who is right.

And I didnt ignore your post, I was trying to reply to 3-4 people all at the same time and it just got lost in the shuffle, but whatever.

offense that was 32nd in time of possession + offensive coordinator that was 31st in time of possession=middle of the pack in time of possession this year.



hooray math!

[anamericangod]

I truly do not believe the Jets will finish 2nd in the division or make the playoffs.

[xbrokendownx]

i think the jets will definitely finish second in the division because it sure as hell wont be miami and i dont think buffalo is good either

[anamericangod]

i think the jets will definitely finish second in the division because it sure as hell wont be miami and i dont think buffalo is good either

Are you a Jets fan?

[xbrokendownx]

lol look at my avatar...no way

[anamericangod]

lol look at my avatar...no way

I wasn't sure since your location and all.

I dunno, the Dolphins will definitely finish last. I have high hopes for the Bills, but the Brett Favre situation has definitely taken the challenge up a notch. I guess we'll see.

[xbrokendownx]

i mean you never know. i thought buffalo would be awful last year and they still won 7 games so who knows

[cscwell107]

AFC East
New England
Buffalo
N.Y Jets
Miami

AFC North
Pittsburgh
x- Cleveland
Baltimore
Cincinnati

AFC South
Indianapolis
Jacksonville
Tennessee
Houston

AFC West
San Diego
x- Denver
Oakland
Kansas City

NFC East
Dallas
x- N.Y Giants
Washington
Philadelphia

NFC North
Minnesota
Green Bay
Detroit
Chicago

NFC South
New Orleans
x- Carolina
Tampa Bay
Atlanta

NFC West
Seattle
St. Louis
San Fransisco
Arizona

PLAYOFFS

AFC Wild Card Playoff
(3) San Diego over (6) Cleveland
(4) Pittsburgh over (5) Denver

AFC Divisional Playoff
(4) Pittsburgh over (1) New England over
(3) San Diego over (2) Indianapolis

AFC Championship
(4) Pittsburgh over (2) San Diego


NFC Wild Card Playoff
(4) Seattle over (5) Carolina
(6) New York Giants over (3) New Orleans

NFC Divisional Playoff
(1) Dallas over (4) Seattle
(2) Minnesota over (6) N.Y. Giants

NFC Championship
(1) Dallas over (2) Minnesota

NFL Super Bowl
Pittsburgh over Dallas

[livethesounds]

oh look, someone who thinks the titans wont finish in last place.

[IcedOpethBlind]

if your not first, your last

[looksthatkillbn]

merril hoge just picked the niners to go 10-6 and make the playoffs. that seals it. zero chance.

[rcrook]

merril hoge also said the steelers were the best team in the nfl halfway thru the season last year

[Scott Weber]

the only smart thing merrill hodge has ever said was talking tons of shit on vince young.

[rcrook]

the only smart thing merrill hodge has ever said was talking tons of shit on vince young.

thats not smart, thats second nature to every single human being on the planet not named livethesounds

[AshesAshes]

the only smart thing merrill hodge has ever said was talking tons of shit on vince young.

Vince Young whining about it was the best part

[Dirty Ernie]

Why Meril Hodge gets paid is beyond me. I mean at least people like Screamin A and Woody bring some sort of entertainment value. Hodge is a dud and completely wrong with prediction after prediction.

[miketrondson]

The year of the Lions, yo! Hahahahahaha

[livethesounds]

the only smart thing merrill hodge has ever said was talking tons of shit on vince young.

thats not even the problem i have with him, who the hell calls out a player time and time again (besides like skip bayless) on what's supposed to be a serious nfl program and just tears him apart. sometimes he does it completely unwarranted. I don't care if he points out his flaws, he just outright dislikes Young and goes to great lengths to voice that on national television. the dudes a douche bag and an idiot.

[Scott Weber]

thats not even the problem i have with him, who the hell calls out a player time and time again (besides like skip bayless) on what's supposed to be a serious nfl program and just tears him apart. sometimes he does it completely unwarranted. I don't care if he points out his flaws, he just outright dislikes Young and goes to great lengths to voice that on national television. the dudes a douche bag and an idiot.
he's a douche and an idiot but he's been spot on with young and i love him for shitting on him in the draft and continuing to do so. vince young has been nothing short of terrible in the NFL and since it was so controversial for calling him out in the first place when everyone said "he just wins baby" i don't blame him for continuing to shit on him.

[rcrook]

the media doesn't give vince young nearly as much shit as he deserves so its fine that merril hodge over does it.

[dekdog11]

chargers over saints in the super bowl
buffalo and philly both make the playoffs
cleveland doesn't even finish at .500
the dolphins win more games than the jets

okay so the last one i just hope happens...

[rcrook]

so uhhh anybody want to make revisions?

[LeftWideOpen]

man, going back to predictions threads are always good for a laugh.

i'm thrilled someone backed me up on oakland. i honestly think they win 10 games.

.... i thought people would consider me crazy, given oakland's rep. but i really think mcfadden will have as big of an impact as AP did last year. it'd be even bigger if justin fargas wasn't in the equation. fargas will only make them better, though.

and that defense ... fuck. if russell comes even close to being a #1 pick this season, they could challenge for the super bowl.

my guess is russell struggles and they are a wild card team, though.

darren mcfadden makes it for me, though. i think he takes the league by storm.

i'm banking on him.

the 2008 Oakland defense is better then the 2007 Vikings. They brought in the likes of Hall, Wilson, Joseph, Edwards, Gbaja-Biamila, Wesley, Hartwell, etc. ..... they are better then last year's Vikings defense.

not saying they are better than the '08 Vikings D (although they are pretty damn close), but they are certainly improved. Jamarcus Russell just needs to be decent for that team to win 10 games with their schedule.

... they have the 3rd easiest schedule in football, based off the records of last season. they could go 13-3 by your criteria of uncertainty. My guess is 10-6 or 9-7. They have no clear losses, outside of the Pats game and 2 SD games.

major fail on my part.

hahaha I just saw LeftWide has Carolina in the NFC Championship game, if he picks them enough times they might finally succeed.

but maybe not here!

[livethesounds]

yeah, that defense is better then the vikings was last year.

and im expecting jamarcus russell 2008 > tavaris jackson 2007. i dont think thats a huge stretch.

haha @ this post. You're usually right on (and so is fondest) so i honestly felt like i was in the twilight zone when i was arguing against the raiders going to the playoffs and having a better D than the Vikings last year.
I think you guys argued your point so much that it made half the people pick Oakland for the playoffs.

wow, so like everyone thinks an improved titans team will finish in last place?

i'll be honest, i havn't seen anywhere that predicts Oakland to be a playoff contender. i've been looking for it more now that i hear all the talk in here.

titans are at BEST the third best team in that division. they could very well end up with the same record as houston

And in the first 10 pages of this thread only 3 people picked the Titans to NOT finish dead last in the division, and i was the only one who had them making the playoffs.
Granted a few things were unforeseeable (Brady going down, Injuries plaguing the Jags and Colts), but i still thought it was silly not a single person picked the titans to even make the playoffs, while so many picked the raiders to at least finish 2nd in the division.


/TITANS AGAINST THE WORLD!!!

[Scott Weber]

to be fair, oakland finished 3 games back in a bad division, had injuries to tons of offensive players (mcfadden, fargas, walker, curry), cut deangelo hall, ed hartwell never recovered from that injury...the team looked a lot better on paper before they made terrible personnell decisions and got wrecked.