Bebob / Hardbop Jazz

[Rodeo]

Looking for some fellow jazzheads to wax with. Love me some Dizzy Gillespie, Miles Davis, John Coltrane, Charlie Christian, Thelonious Monk, Cannonball Adderley, Charlie Parker, Sonny Rollins, Art Blakey...etc....

Favorite jazz record?


Coltrane's "Blue Train" for me.

[IWasaCamera]

:-)

[stereomouse]

oh man

[KatieKutthroat.]

There needs to be more jazz fans on here.

[chipdip18]

Bela Fleck and the Fleckstones?

[Praetor]

Somebody give me a shitload of good jazz albums. Seriously, just bombard me. I absolutely love what I've heard but sadly it's not that much.

[IWasaCamera]

Left out the obvious Miles and Coltrane stuff but give these a shot:

Mingus - The Black Saint And The Sinner Lady
Mingus - Mingus Ah Um
Monk - Monk's Dream
Monk - Brilliant Corners
Dave Brubeck - Time Out
Sun Ra - Atlantis
Sonny Rollins - Saxophone Colossus
Dexter Gordon - Go!
Duke - The Far East Suite
Chick Corea - Inner Space
Getz/Gilberto
Art Blakey - Moanin'

[micahistheballs]

I feel like such a shitty music fan for not being able to get into jazz as much as I'd like.

[Rodeo]

I'm so glad other people on here love jazz and I'm especially excited to see another Sonny Rollins fan!!


And since it hasn't been said yet... Jaco Pastorius - "Punk Jazz: The Complete Anthology"

[Praetor]

Left out the obvious Miles and Coltrane stuff but give these a shot:

Mingus - The Black Saint And The Sinner Lady
Mingus - Mingus Ah Um
Monk - Monk's Dream
Monk - Brilliant Corners
Dave Brubeck - Time Out
Sun Ra - Atlantis
Sonny Rollins - Saxophone Colossus
Dexter Gordon - Go!
Duke - The Far East Suite
Chick Corea - Inner Space
Getz/Gilberto
Art Blakey - Moanin'
Yeah, I've got quite a few Miles records (obviously not all of them, that'd take forever to track them all down) but only a few Coltrane (his big two - A Love Supreme and Blue Train) and enjoy them all. I also downloaded Brilliant Corners but the rip was super fucked up so I should find another. Thanks for the list, I will find all that I can and give them a listen.

Also is it safe to say that most of Blue Note's releases are good jazz records?

[stereomouse]

the live one with coltrane and monk is awesome:

http://www.amazon.com/Thelonious-Monk-Quartet-Coltrane-Carnegie/dp/B000AV2GCE

[stereomouse]

"Also is it safe to say that most of Blue Note's releases are good jazz records?"

pretty much, yeah

[stereomouse]

chick corea is more jazz fusion then regular bop jazz, though

[murrich]

Left out the obvious Miles and Coltrane stuff but give these a shot:

Mingus - The Black Saint And The Sinner Lady
Mingus - Mingus Ah Um
Monk - Monk's Dream
Monk - Brilliant Corners
Dave Brubeck - Time Out
Sun Ra - Atlantis
Sonny Rollins - Saxophone Colossus
Dexter Gordon - Go!
Duke - The Far East Suite
Chick Corea - Inner Space
Getz/Gilberto
Art Blakey - Moanin'

I love Sun Ra, I'm so unfamiliar with jazz though, hopefully this list helps.

[El_Jeffe]

i fell in love with jazz through traditional ska music, any jazz fan needs to hear the skatalites. the horn section is one of the best of all time, genre regardless. & they were all trained in jazz, swing, do-wop, etc before ska came onto it in the 60s

also, any early swing fans in?

[ForeverDelayed]

Left out the obvious Miles and Coltrane stuff but give these a shot:

Mingus - The Black Saint And The Sinner Lady
Mingus - Mingus Ah Um

Getz/Gilberto
The Miles and Coltrane stuff is indeed obvious, but In A Silent Way is still probably my favorite jazz album.

Mingus frickin' rules. Have you heard Blues and Roots? If not, that should be the next one you check out. I'd put it on par with Ah Um, even though I'm sure some would disagree with me.

And Getz/Gilberto is so great. The whole bossa nova thing gets a lot of crap in some jazz circles, but I don't care. For some reason the sound and vibe just transports me to another time and place like almost nothing else. I could listen to stuff like that all day.

[IWasaCamera]

I feel like such a shitty music fan for not being able to get into jazz as much as I'd like.
Not for everyone.
I'm so glad other people on here love jazz and I'm especially excited to see another Sonny Rollins fan!!
:-)
Yeah, I've got quite a few Miles records (obviously not all of them, that'd take forever to track them all down) but only a few Coltrane (his big two - A Love Supreme and Blue Train) and enjoy them all. I also downloaded Brilliant Corners but the rip was super fucked up so I should find another. Thanks for the list, I will find all that I can and give them a listen.
Be sure to get In A Silent Way and Giant Steps by Miles and Coltrane respectively.
the live one with coltrane and monk is awesome:

http://www.amazon.com/Thelonious-Monk-Quartet-Coltrane-Carnegie/dp/B000AV2GCE
Great album.
chick corea is more jazz fusion then regular bop jazz, though
He just asked for a list of great jazz albums and I jotted down what came to mind. :shrug:
The Miles and Coltrane stuff is indeed obvious, but In A Silent Way is still probably my favorite jazz album.

Mingus frickin' rules. Have you heard Blues and Roots? If not, that should be the next one you check out. I'd put it on par with Ah Um, even though I'm sure some would disagree with me.

And Getz/Gilberto is so great. The whole bossa nova thing gets a lot of crap in some jazz circles, but I don't care. For some reason the sound and vibe just transports me to another time and place like almost nothing else. I could listen to stuff like that all day.
It's probably my third favorite behind A Love Supreme and Black Saint. Fantastic album that deserves far more recognition though. People act as if Miles only released Kind Of Blue and Bitches Brew which is incredibly unfortunate. I'll take In A Silent Way over both any day.

Mingus is indeed awesome as is Blues And Roots. A complete beast from 59 to 63 with a few really solid releases in the 70's.

Getz/Gilberto seemingly gets the same treatment Sketches Of Spain does with "purists" denouncing the sound put forth and refusing to call it jazz. I for one really dig it. Not quite as much as other varieties of the genre but still a pleasant listen when in the right mood.

[KatieKutthroat.]

I need some Charles Mingus albums, I'm not as familiar with him as I'd like to be.

[IWasaCamera]

Mingus definitely needs some more love.

[micahistheballs]

Mingus definitely needs some more love.
I downloaded Black Saint and the Sinner Lady today and I loved it actually.

[IWasaCamera]

I downloaded Black Saint and the Sinner Lady today and I loved it actually.
Awesome. One of my favorite albums of all time.

[micahistheballs]

Awesome. One of my favorite albums of all time.
There was a ridiculous amount of stuff going on in that record. I loved it.

[Rodeo]

Bitches Brew

[IWasaCamera]

In A Silent Way > Bitches Brew.

Discuss!

[Rodeo]

Oh, I totally agree with that!!! I love old Miles WAY more than his more recent stuff. I am a HUGE HUGE fan of 50's - 60's bop. For sure. The later 70's - 80's fusion stuff didn't hold anything for me.


Just picked up Coltrane's A Love Supreme yesterday. That record is flawless.

[Rodeo]

also, just found Dizzy Gillespie's "Manteca" on cassette tape at a thrift store.

[IWasaCamera]

Oh, I totally agree with that!!! I love old Miles WAY more than his more recent stuff. I am a HUGE HUGE fan of 50's - 60's bop. For sure. The later 70's - 80's fusion stuff didn't hold anything for me.


Just picked up Coltrane's A Love Supreme yesterday. That record is flawless.
In A Silent Way was released in 69 though, right before Bitches Brew, and would surely be considered a fusion album.

A Love Supreme is indeed perfect.

[guiguedz]

Not a bebop or hardpop album, but everybody should listen to Chick Corea Akoustic Band - Live From The Blue Note Tokyo. It's kinda rare, but you can download it with a little of persistence. Chick Corea, John Patitucci and a fucking incredible performance by Vinnie Colaiuta, replacing (and shitting on, hahah) Dave Weckl, the original drummer for the "Akoustic Band".

And I'll love In a Silent Way until the day I die, but Bitches Brew... That bassline on the title track is like, I don't know, that album is just superb. Amazing.

[Rodeo]

They have some Chick Corea up at the B&N here... any other album you'd rec?

[IWasaCamera]

Now He Sings, Now He Sobs is a good place to start with Chick.

[Rodeo]

Awesome, I'll check to see if they have it.


You dig Sonny Simmons at all?

[IWasaCamera]

I only know him from his work with Mingus. Where should I start in terms of solo work?

[Rodeo]

Staying on the Watch is incredible if you can track that down.


Ancient Ritual is really really good as well and features his son, Zarak Simmons on drums (whom I know personally.) GREAT stuff!!!

[IWasaCamera]

I'll sniff around and see if I can find either of those. Thanks.

[Rodeo]

Awesome!! Any other recs off the top of your head?

[IWasaCamera]

Already mentioned it earlier but since I'm currently listening, Time Out By The Dave Brubeck Quartet.

[Rodeo]

Yeah... Take Five is AMAZINGGGG!!!


5/4 time!!!

[IWasaCamera]

Haha I enjoy your enthusiasm.

[Rodeo]

You should see me at live clubs then. I get kinda ridiculous. hahah.

[IWasaCamera]

I bet.

[GiggsOho]

Wow, Cannonball Adderley is not a name I ever expected to see on this site. Completely welcome, tho. I used to take lessons with a guy who wrote a couple lick books with Adderley stuff in it. Love love love his stuff.

[Rodeo]

haha.. got made fun of for rocking out to Dizzy in the car last night at a stop light with my friend... so I turned down the music and they turned up Kid Rock and flipped us off. True story. God bless Michigan.

[IWasaCamera]

haha

On a different note, I'm currently enjoying me some Thelonious. :-)

[Rodeo]

I love your Nick Drake icon. Just thought I'd share.

[IWasaCamera]

Dizzy isn't too shabby either. ;-)

[Rodeo]

Just got back from going thrift shopping and pulled down some AMAZING gems from the 12" vinyl piles!!!

Here's what a found:

Sonny Stitt - "Kaleidoscope"
Sonny Stitt - "Plays Arrangements from the Pen of Quincy Jones"
Stan Getz - "57"
Stan Getz - "Groovin' High"
Chick Corea - "Return to Forever"
Gerry Mulligan - "Presenting..."
Jimmy Smith - "Rockin' the Boat" (Blue Note release)
Wild Bill Davis - "At Birdland"
Lee Konitz - "At Storyville"
Charlie Mariano - "s/t"
Johnny Richards - "Something Else"
Joe Williams - "A Man Ain't Supposed to Cry"
Bennie Green & Paul Quinichette - "Blow Your Horn"

Then, if that wasn't enough... I found a compilation featuring:
The Dave Brubeck Quartet
Chico Hamilton
Miles Davis
Quincy Jones
Duke Ellington
Thelonious Monk
Bud Powell
+ more


Great day!

[ForeverDelayed]

Just got back from going thrift shopping and pulled down some AMAZING gems from the 12" vinyl piles!!!

Here's what a found:

Sonny Stitt - "Kaleidoscope"
Sonny Stitt - "Plays Arrangements from the Pen of Quincy Jones"
Stan Getz - "57"
Stan Getz - "Groovin' High"
Chick Corea - "Return to Forever"
Gerry Mulligan - "Presenting..."
Jimmy Smith - "Rockin' the Boat" (Blue Note release)
Wild Bill Davis - "At Birdland"
Lee Konitz - "At Storyville"
Charlie Mariano - "s/t"
Johnny Richards - "Something Else"
Joe Williams - "A Man Ain't Supposed to Cry"
Bennie Green & Paul Quinichette - "Blow Your Horn"

Then, if that wasn't enough... I found a compilation featuring:
The Dave Brubeck Quartet
Chico Hamilton
Miles Davis
Quincy Jones
Duke Ellington
Thelonious Monk
Bud Powell
+ more


Great day!
Win.


How much did all that set you back?

[Rodeo]

The Records were $.59 a piece... so, what is that? Like... $8 something?

[Nevuk]

I'm so glad other people on here love jazz and I'm especially excited to see another Sonny Rollins fan!!


And since it hasn't been said yet... Jaco Pastorius - "Punk Jazz: The Complete Anthology"
I think I'll listen to this.

[ForeverDelayed]

The Records were $.59 a piece... so, what is that? Like... $8 something?
Sweet. And I thought I got a good deal when the record store down the street had a $1 basement sale. Once I get my turntable up here next week I need to start hunting for some cheap records.

[Nevuk]

Any opinions on Max Roach's Percussion Bittersweet?

[Rodeo]

Any opinions on Max Roach's Percussion Bittersweet?


By far his best record.

[Nevuk]

By far his best record.
Ah, I just downloaded it on a whim after he died, and find it to be one of the few of its style that I truly enjoy.

[Rodeo]

What are the others?

[Nevuk]

What are the others?
Pretty much anything by Bill Dixon, although comparing them is somewhat bizarre as Dixon is kind of an ambient free jazzer. And his music is very hard to find. Its somewhere between open, relaxing, and terrifying. Still worth listening if you can find it.

More in line with what you were expecting probably is Clifford Brown's The Beginning and the End , although that's R&B just as much as jazz. And Kind of Blue, but albums of that sort are acknowledged by pretty much everyone.

[IWasaCamera]

Just got back from going thrift shopping and pulled down some AMAZING gems from the 12" vinyl piles!!!

Here's what a found:

Sonny Stitt - "Kaleidoscope"
Sonny Stitt - "Plays Arrangements from the Pen of Quincy Jones"
Stan Getz - "57"
Stan Getz - "Groovin' High"
Chick Corea - "Return to Forever"
Gerry Mulligan - "Presenting..."
Jimmy Smith - "Rockin' the Boat" (Blue Note release)
Wild Bill Davis - "At Birdland"
Lee Konitz - "At Storyville"
Charlie Mariano - "s/t"
Johnny Richards - "Something Else"
Joe Williams - "A Man Ain't Supposed to Cry"
Bennie Green & Paul Quinichette - "Blow Your Horn"

Then, if that wasn't enough... I found a compilation featuring:
The Dave Brubeck Quartet
Chico Hamilton
Miles Davis
Quincy Jones
Duke Ellington
Thelonious Monk
Bud Powell
+ more


Great day!
The Records were $.59 a piece... so, what is that? Like... $8 something?
Holy shit, that's amazing.
Any opinions on Max Roach's Percussion Bittersweet?
Right up there with We Insist for me.

[Rodeo]

Holy shit, that's amazing.

Right up there with We Insist for me.


:wave:

[IWasaCamera]

Seriously, great finds.

[Rodeo]

Found David Brubeck's "Time Out" used for only $4. Yeah, I bought it.

[IWasaCamera]

Time Out is so good. I should buy me some jazz albums this week.

[Pat k]

Are we talking only about bop?

To get some more discussion rolling, I'm not as big a fan of Blue Train as I am Giant Steps. Giant Steps, in my opinion, is way better, and gets me energized in a way that Blue Train never could.

I recommend listening to Joshua Redman, a tenor sax player doing his thing today.

Want to talk about Bill Evans? The best jazz pianist.

Or about Herbie Hancock's best record (and debut) Takin' Off?

Who's into Albert Ayler? If you like Coltrane, you'll be into him.

How about that Norah Jones cover on Pat Metheny's One Quiet Night record?

Okay, I'm done for now.

[Nevuk]

Ayler is one of my favorites, but I never really associated him with Bop, for some reason. His version of "Truth is Marching in" on Greenwich village is awe-inspiring.
I also recently heard his "Music is the healing force of the Universe" album, which is far less free jazzy than the rest of his material. Think its his first album, has a vocalist and other albums.

[Pat k]

He's cool, but I've only heard Spiritual Unity. I'm still digesting Ayler.

I assumed we were talking about more than Bop cuz people were talking about Desmond, Jaco, etc.

[IWasaCamera]

To get some more discussion rolling, I'm not as big a fan of Blue Train as I am Giant Steps. Giant Steps, in my opinion, is way better, and gets me energized in a way that Blue Train never could.
Same.
I recommend listening to Joshua Redman, a tenor sax player doing his thing today.
Solid, but I rarely go back to his work.
Want to talk about Bill Evans? The best jazz pianist.
Certainly up there.
Or about Herbie Hancock's best record (and debut) Takin' Off?
Changes between Crossings, Empyrean Isles, and Head Hunters for me.
Who's into Albert Ayler? If you like Coltrane, you'll be into him.
Big fan.
How about that Norah Jones cover on Pat Metheny's One Quiet Night record?
Haven't heard it.

[Nevuk]

He's cool, but I've only heard Spiritual Unity. I'm still digesting Ayler.

I assumed we were talking about more than Bop cuz people were talking about Desmond, Jaco, etc.
Ah. Honestly, I think Spiritual Unity is probably the least favorite of the things I've heard from him. It isn't bad, it is very good, but his live recordings are on a higher level.

[Pat k]

Same.

Changes between Crossings, Empyrean Isles, and Head Hunters for me.



Out of those, I prefer Empyrean Isles. I prefer acoustic jazz, generally.

[IWasaCamera]

Out of those, I prefer Empyrean Isles. I prefer acoustic jazz, generally.
Depends on the day for me.

[Rodeo]

Definitely just found Miles Davis - "Kind of Blue" on vinyl for $2 at a pawn shop along with another Sonny Stitt record.



Bill Evans rules. BTW.

[IWasaCamera]

Definitely just found Miles Davis - "Kind of Blue" on vinyl for $2 at a pawn shop along with another Sonny Stitt record.



Bill Evans rules. BTW.
Figured that would have been among your first purchases ha.

Evans does in fact rule.

[ForeverDelayed]

I was talking to my roommate the other day and got on the subject of music, found out she's a big jazz fan. Hopefully after our chat (and her begging to copy my Getz stuff) she'll start playing more jazz and less Jack Johnson and John Mayer and whatnot.

Anybody like Pharoah Sanders? Eric Dolphy? Two guys I really dig that I don't hear mentioned much these days.

[IWasaCamera]

Jack Johnson and John Mayer haha.

[Rodeo]

oh, hey there!

[Rodeo]

Oh, hey there.

[IWasaCamera]

Been listening to tons of Evans lately. Seems to happen every year when fall arrives.

[Rodeo]

Same here... i LOVE the fall.

[IWasaCamera]

Best season, no contest.


Band's pretty good too.

[eliselovesmusic]

Charlie Parker is THE MAN

[Rodeo]

Best season, no contest.


Band's pretty good too.


Ba-ZING!





LOL @ 'Bebob' in the title. :hitself: Stupid typo!

[IWasaCamera]

Haha at least it's fun to pronounce.

[kearn1tm]

I've spent a lot of time with Saxophone Colossus this fall. It's brilliant.

Terence Blanchard actually performed the entirety of this album live last year (it's on NPR's All Things Considered blog hidden in the archives). He did a wonderful job recreating (and in portions, re-imagining) the work.

Speaking of Blanchard, his 2005 Post-Bop effort Flow is one of the integral Jazz releases of the '00s (and expertly produced by Herbie Handcock). Blanchard is truly one of the finest contemporary Jazz artists and his session band on that album is very cohesive.

[IWasaCamera]

Mmmm Rollins.

I prefer Bounce and Wandering Moon to Flow where Blanchard is concerned. That Requiem for Katrina record is quite solid as well.