You asked for them, now you got them.

[Jason Tate]

Here are some of the soundscan numbers for last week:

Yellowcard: 31621
Taking Back Sunday: 21579
New Found Glory: 8257
Say Anything: 436
Moments in Grace: 543
Head Automatica: 2505
Snow Patrol: 6458

As always, please support indie artists and buy those albums you love.

Submitted by Alex

[trustmeimokay]

i dont understand why say anything doesnt sell more

[derricklc22]

I love Say Anything better than any cd that has came out this yr.

[CROMagnon]

i dont understand why say anything doesnt sell more
i may be wrong on this, but i don't know if they get played on the radio widely, or even at all

the two big ones on that list are all over the damn place, they were playing the new TBS at a bowling alley i went to

[mprestop]

snow patrol is sick...how to die is a great opening track

[foreverfallen]

I love Say Anything better than any cd that has came out this yr.

The Say Anything is much better than the Taking Back Sunday, but what do you expect?

[KnoWs My NaMe]

i may be wrong on this, but i don't know if they get played on the radio widely, or even at all


they happened to be in the "cool band alert" section in TeenPeople magazine...my uhh sister's Teen People :wink3:

[A Zoo Story]

This website hypes up say anything so friggin much...so because of that, I listened to a song, and it was awful, that's probably why they're not selling a lot of records.

[knibl]

man how does yellowcard continue to sell so many CD's?

their CD has been out for almost a year...correct?

[CROMagnon]

they happened to be in the "cool band alert" section in TeenPeople magazine...my uhh sister's Teen People :wink3:
yeah but if they don't get airtime, it's going to be harder to actually hear a song of theirs

not everyone d/l's

[Romancebled]

This website hypes up say anything so friggin much...so because of that, I listened to a song, and it was awful, that's probably why they're not selling a lot of records.

yeah... i didn't really like the Say Anything album either. Nothing special about it

[musical monkey]

t indie artists and buy those albums you love.

Submitted by Alex

now maybe i'm wrong here but, 5 out of 7 of those bands are on major labels. not exactly indie.

[xfarfromoverx]

its all about timing/touring/consistency and building your fan base. look at maroon 5..."songs about jane" has been out for two and half years and just last week they reached their peak position on billboard 200 (#6), and they've also recently been certified double platinum. of course, when you write undeniably catchy pop songs, have a fairly good looking lead singer, and have been in tow behind john mayer for a year, it makes sense, no?

[Yeti777]

I have all those albums except the ones that suck.

[djUbilla]

Thanks Tate! Say Anything doesn't sell more because it doesn't have a widely-accepted sound. I actually didn't like it until I picked it up to review for the radio station down here...but yeah they finally won me over. The melodies and lyrics are great, and they fit well with this odd sound,

[trustmeimokay]

Thanks Tate! Say Anything doesn't sell more because it doesn't have a widely-accepted sound. I actually didn't like it until I picked it up to review for the radio station down here...but yeah they finally won me over. The melodies and lyrics are great, and they fit well with this odd sound,
i liked em from the get go, but thats just me

[mwhpunk]

thanks for the update... i'm glad you are listening to comments

[CircaEnder]

Say anything is the best cd up there...ill say it too..they are amazing

[Aaron Troy]

This website hypes up say anything so friggin much...so because of that, I listened to a song, and it was awful, that's probably why they're not selling a lot of records.

gotta agree with u there. saw em live not too long ago and had to go outside.

[try_pie]

like someone said in this thread, what do u expect.

[psykosteve]

Yellowcard: 31621
Taking Back Sunday: 21579
New Found Glory: 8257
Say Anything: 436
Moments in Grace: 543
Head Automatica: 2505
Snow Patrol: 6458

As always, please support indie artists and buy those albums you love.



Always buy indie artists? You realize that you only listed 2 indie artists out of 7? And 3 f them have NEVER released an album on an indie. I'll agree with you buy indie artists, they need it. But I don't extend that to Major Label bands trying to pretend that they are indie.

[WSUskee]

Yeah I dont get the Say Anything album either. I got it or free to play on the college station I work at but it ahsnt received much play because I dont care for it at all. I guess I just dont get it as for the other albums mentioned I can understand why they are all selling good.

[chuckmagnum]

i dont understand why say anything doesnt sell more

um cause its in very few stores

[radxbandit]

Always buy indie artists? You realize that you only listed 2 indie artists out of 7? And 3 f them have NEVER released an album on an indie. I'll agree with you buy indie artists, they need it. But I don't extend that to Major Label bands trying to pretend that they are indie.


correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't TBS still on Victory? And then Say Anything, and Moments in Grace, that makes 3 indie bands.

[FalloutGuy]

Bitches buy that Head Automatica cd. It needs to be doing better than that.

[psykosteve]

correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't TBS still on Victory? And then Say Anything, and Moments in Grace, that makes 3 indie bands.


Moments In Grace is on Atlantic. Atlantic is owned by The Waner Music Coporation. They are not only not an "indie" band, they are one of the bands that has never been on an indie.

The other two you listed are the 2 indie bands.

[TheRunAround]

the say anything cd is WAYYYY to hyped up....its a mediocre cd....just because something DOESNT receive a lot of hype and is indie is not a reason for u guys to jump ur bones on the cd.
o i forgot..ur only cool if u like stuff that not a lot of people like
o and head automica, new found glory, yellowcard, and taking back sunday are all good cd's
i just got the head automatica and it is great

[Jason Tate]

You like the TBS CD and YC CD and not the Say Anything CD. Man, no wonder Paris Hilton got a record contract.

AND MIG is on Salad Days, distro'd by Atlantic.

[brianthomas7]

I think say anything's album is horrible, it wasn't even bareable to me. It just sound like they are trying so hard to be different and weird, it really just seems forced. Their cd makes a great coaster though. But I def agree with those who say to buy Head Automatica, that album seriously rocks.

[Sloaner]

When I first listened to Say Anything I laughed at it cause I thought it was terrible and this site hyped it so much. But then I actually gave it a chance and it's now my third favorite album of the year after JEW, and Northstar. Everyone else I know now loves the album after disliking it at first. If you've only listened to this once or twice don't give up on it. If you still end up hating it, sorry for wasting your time.

[kallok]

Head Automatica is the best CD on that list, I can't believe it hasn't sold more than that... it is such a quality release! And I can't believe Say Anything only has around 500 sold... that is sad... they deserve to have a little more than that!

[psykosteve]

Head Automatica is the best CD on that list, I can't believe it hasn't sold more than that... it is such a quality release! And I can't believe Say Anything only has around 500 sold... that is sad... they deserve to have a little more than that!

Thouse numbers are last week alone. Not total sales.

[ActorInThisPlay]

This website hypes up say anything so friggin much...so because of that, I listened to a song, and it was awful, that's probably why they're not selling a lot of records.

yeah i really don't see what is so great about Say Anything. I honestly think the singer is terrible but that's just my opinion.

[ActorInThisPlay]

You like the TBS CD and YC CD and not the Say Anything CD. Man, no wonder Paris Hilton got a record contract.

AND MIG is on Salad Days, distro'd by Atlantic.

I love the YC CD and I like the TBS CD a lot too but Say Anything just doesn't do it for me...sorry. MIG is pretty good though and I am really thinking about picking up their new CD. Just because someone doesn't like one band doesn't mean anything...it's all a matter of personal opinion.

[intoyourarms]

I love the YC CD and I like the TBS CD a lot too but Say Anything just doesn't do it for me...sorry. MIG is pretty good though and I am really thinking about picking up their new CD. Just because someone doesn't like one band doesn't mean anything...it's all a matter of personal opinion.

It matters to Tate. If he hypes the fuck out of a band and you don't like them then you're fucked and you're going to receive musical taste criticism for it. Although I do love Say Anything and can't wait for their tour with Northstar,SLR, and HRC.

[Jason Tate]

It matters to Tate. If he hypes the fuck out of a band and you don't like them then you're fucked and you're going to receive musical taste criticism for it. Although I do love Say Anything and can't wait for their tour with Northstar,SLR, and HRC.
Some people just don't get it. ^^^^^^^^^^

[thewk]

i won't bash any of the bands on that list
but by far say anything is the best.
this site hypes them up so much
because they are everything the so called "punk scene" needs
it doesn't matter if 500 or 500,000 people buy their records
just as long as their sound is heard
all is gracious
or at least me.

[Nate_RAWKS]

gotta agree with u there. saw em live not too long ago and had to go outside.

yep seen them live a few months ago and i was laughing my ass off at how terrible it was. IMO

[ActorInThisPlay]

It matters to Tate. If he hypes the fuck out of a band and you don't like them then you're fucked and you're going to receive musical taste criticism for it. Although I do love Say Anything and can't wait for their tour with Northstar,SLR, and HRC.

I love a bunch of bands that Jason hypes up but Say Anything is just not my style. I guess I deserve criticism for not liking a band that I think is terrible huh? Oh well whatever, I don't care, I listen to what I like and not what everyone says is cool, but that's just me.

[intoyourarms]

Yea you do because this is what happened to someone else that didn't like them.

- You like the TBS CD and YC CD and not the Say Anything CD. Man, no wonder Paris Hilton got a record contract.

[TheWordsmith]

the say anything cd is WAYYYY to hyped up....its a mediocre cd....just because something DOESNT receive a lot of hype and is indie is not a reason for u guys to jump ur bones on the cd.
o i forgot..ur only cool if u like stuff that not a lot of people like
o and head automica, new found glory, yellowcard, and taking back sunday are all good cd's
i just got the head automatica and it is great


stating an opinion about a band, cool. lame generalizations about people on the site, not cool.

[fgevilmonkey]

Say Anything doesn't appeal to everybody on this site because it's not emo. I mean, even Punknews regulars (me being one of them) were surprised that even Jason Tate endorsed this band (although, Jason, you do come out making them sound like Jesus taking form as Say Anything on the sticker on the front. They're not THAT good.)

Still, this is, in my mind, the most original and certainly most amazing album of 2004, far surpassing the album I had originally expected to be so good (Where You Want To Be) which ends up being one of the worst albums of 2004, at least in this scene. Straylight sounds overproduced so I can't imagine it beating out Say Anything.

[radxbandit]

Moments In Grace is on Atlantic. Atlantic is owned by The Waner Music Coporation. They are not only not an "indie" band, they are one of the bands that has never been on an indie.

The other two you listed are the 2 indie bands.

oops sorry dude, didn't know about moments in grace

[ilovedrugs]

Always buy indie artists? You realize that you only listed 2 indie artists out of 7? And 3 f them have NEVER released an album on an indie. I'll agree with you buy indie artists, they need it. But I don't extend that to Major Label bands trying to pretend that they are indie.

which 3?
NFG on fiddler
TBS on victory
MIG on Salad days
Yellowcard on Lobster
Say Anything on Dogghouse
and Head Automatica halfway counts cause while Daryl was in Glassjaw, they released an album on roadrunner. that leaves 1.5 bands that have exclusively been on a major.

[effinstupendous]

which 3?
NFG on fiddler
TBS on victory
MIG on Salad days
Yellowcard on Lobster
Say Anything on Dogghouse
and Head Automatica halfway counts cause while Daryl was in Glassjaw, they released an album on roadrunner. that leaves 1.5 bands that have exclusively been on a major.


I think the point that was trying to be made is that NFG and Yellowcard are both *currently* being backed by major labels. Now the fact that TBS is way outselling NFG is just simply phenomenal... too bad Victory has TBS in a 7 album deal and wants $350,000 per album to buy them out!!! TBS could be frickin huge right now, or on there next two records if they had the major label push. Also, consider how many albums NFG sold when they were actually on Fiddler, or even on Nothing Gold Can Stay, which was there only Drive-Thru records (all others had MCA or Geffen distribution and marketing).

[psykosteve]

which 3?
NFG on fiddler
TBS on victory
MIG on Salad days
Yellowcard on Lobster
Say Anything on Dogghouse
and Head Automatica halfway counts cause while Daryl was in Glassjaw, they released an album on roadrunner. that leaves 1.5 bands that have exclusively been on a major.


NFG is on Geffin (major), was on Drive Through and Fidler (both indie)
TBS is on Victory (still indie)
MIG is on Atlantic (major) with a Salad Days inprint for some street cred (seems to be working)
Yellow Card is on Capital Records (Major), was on Lobester (indie)
Say Anything Doghouse (one of the two insie bands I listed)
Head Automatic has only been on Warner Brothers, Darly has been on an indie but HA has never.
Snow Patrol is on A&M Records (major) they may have been on indies in england, but in the US only ever majors.

5 on majors (3 on only Majors, 2 on Majors now, but had been indie)
2 indiea bands

[guitarguy33]

Moments In Grace is on Atlantic. Atlantic is owned by The Waner Music Coporation. They are not only not an "indie" band, they are one of the bands that has never been on an indie.

The other two you listed are the 2 indie bands.

Since when is "Indie" the label a band is on and not their music? Labels (as in punk, emo, hardcore etc.) are the worst man-made invention.

[ActorInThisPlay]

Since when is "Indie" the label a band is on and not their music? Labels (as in punk, emo, hardcore etc.) are the worst man-made invention.

true dat. either the music is good or bad, that's it.

[psykosteve]

"Indie" stands for INDEPENDANT. By definition it is how you do buissness. It is not a genra. There are "indie" country bands, "indie" jazz acts, "indie" hip hop acts.


Thats not to say it is a bad thing to be on a major. I love lots of bands on majors. But lets not give them some form of credit they dont deserve.

[guitarguy33]

"Indie" stands for INDEPENDANT. By definition it is how you do buissness. It is not a genra. There are "indie" country bands, "indie" jazz acts, "indie" hip hop acts.


Thats not to say it is a bad thing to be on a major. I love lots of bands on majors. But lets not give them some form of credit they dont deserve.

That seems like a huge oxymoron to me. Personally if "Indie" means just independent then bands like Name Taken and such should be considered "Indie," but if a band is on a label they are getting help from that label which makes them not very independent. At least that's how i view it. About them getting credit they don't deserve? Well that's just using made up labels for your argument. Saying a band is supposedly "Indie" when they are on a major label would be false (by your definition) but that doesn't mean they don't deserve credit. Credit comes from how hard a band works, and granted they may not have to work as hard with their major label push as bands on smaller labels, but some of them still do a lot of little things on their own when they are on major's and that deserves just as much credit as any band that works that hard.

[CT-Tim]

That seems like a huge oxymoron to me. Personally if "Indie" means just independent then bands like Name Taken and such should be considered "Indie," but if a band is on a label they are getting help from that label which makes them not very independent. At least that's how i view it. About them getting credit they don't deserve? Well that's just using made up labels for your argument. Saying a band is supposedly "Indie" when they are on a major label would be false (by your definition) but that doesn't mean they don't deserve credit. Credit comes from how hard a band works, and granted they may not have to work as hard with their major label push as bands on smaller labels, but some of them still do a lot of little things on their own when they are on major's and that deserves just as much credit as any band that works that hard.

"Indie" refers to the label they are on as far as I know. Possibly independant from the RIAA? :wink3:

But yeah, I don't honestly care if a band is "indie" or not. If they rock, they rock. If they're overproduced, that's fine too, as long as the CD sounds good. I don't even care if they have fake singers. Music is music, and I like the music, not nescassarilly the bands making it.

[FreshyFresh23]

You like the TBS CD and YC CD and not the Say Anything CD. Man, no wonder Paris Hilton got a record contract.

AND MIG is on Salad Days, distro'd by Atlantic.

No shit. Say Anything is very good. If you like melody and good music at all you'd give them a chance and find its very good. You can't be closed minded just because the first time you listen to them you don't like it...

[derricklc22]

i won't bash any of the bands on that list
but by far say anything is the best.
this site hypes them up so much
because they are everything the so called "punk scene" needs
it doesn't matter if 500 or 500,000 people buy their records
just as long as their sound is heard
all is gracious
or at least me.


I agree 100%

[guitarguy33]

"Indie" refers to the label they are on as far as I know. Possibly independant from the RIAA? :wink3:

But yeah, I don't honestly care if a band is "indie" or not. If they rock, they rock. If they're overproduced, that's fine too, as long as the CD sounds good. I don't even care if they have fake singers. Music is music, and I like the music, not nescassarilly the bands making it.

Yea, exactly dude. I don't know what Indie is or what Punk is. No label has distinct boundaries and it pisses me off that relatively good bands lose potential listeners because of a label. Everyone should just like what they feel sounds good and not what other people think they should listen to.

[ilovedrugs]

NFG is on Geffin (major), was on Drive Through and Fidler (both indie)
TBS is on Victory (still indie)
MIG is on Atlantic (major) with a Salad Days inprint for some street cred (seems to be working)
Yellow Card is on Capital Records (Major), was on Lobester (indie)
Say Anything Doghouse (one of the two insie bands I listed)
Head Automatic has only been on Warner Brothers, Darly has been on an indie but HA has never.
Snow Patrol is on A&M Records (major) they may have been on indies in england, but in the US only ever majors.

5 on majors (3 on only Majors, 2 on Majors now, but had been indie)
2 indiea bands

right, but if you read your original post, you said "how many have NEVER released an album on an indie?" i was simply correcting that statement.

[nud0]

I was surprised when I saw 59 replies of this thread and 75% of them were about Say Anything. I don’t know if that’s a good or bad thing but at least their most popular of the bunch. When I see MIG sell more then my favorite album pretty much of all time (...Is a Real Boy) it makes me wonder.

MIG are a great solid band but if they are making more sales then Say Anything, the band that is suppose to save this genre then I have a problem with it. To say that their is nothing special about this band is a complete lie. Every song has so much emotion and feeling in it, it pretty much just hits you on your ass from beginning to end.

Before people post such bold opinions about bands they truly need to listen thoroughly threw the cd listening to the lyrics carefully and then post why or why the band sucks or not. I’m sick of hearing "AP hyped this band up to much I listened to a few songs and they suck" I mean come on. What does that say about the individual? If you can’t listen to a full cd waste 45 minutes of your day before you give an opinion you’re obviously not a real music fan and your better off listening to TBS and YC.

You’re a faker, you’re a fraud, ADMIT IT!!!

[thomaslovesemo]

SAYANYTHING rocks! nothing else needed to say . . . the haters of SAYANYTHING need to go away . . .

[avitabully]

ill admit this ... i felt almost proud when i bought the say anything cd and the sticker on the front had the words from mr jason tate that i read in his review.

i dont know what that means but i wanted to share it

[benpotrykus]

please support indie artists

The majority of those bands are not independent artists. I don't get it.

[benpotrykus]

NFG is on Geffin (major), was on Drive Through and Fidler (both indie)
TBS is on Victory (still indie)
MIG is on Atlantic (major) with a Salad Days inprint for some street cred (seems to be working)
Yellow Card is on Capital Records (Major), was on Lobester (indie)
Say Anything Doghouse (one of the two insie bands I listed)
Head Automatic has only been on Warner Brothers, Darly has been on an indie but HA has never.
Snow Patrol is on A&M Records (major) they may have been on indies in england, but in the US only ever majors.

5 on majors (3 on only Majors, 2 on Majors now, but had been indie)
2 indiea bands

Drive-Thru has been distributed and backed by MCA for as long as I can remember and I don't consider them an independent label.
Fiddler, I am pretty sure, is also backed by a major. I want to say Island/Def Jam, but I am not positive.
Victory is most definitely not indie, sir.
Doghouse is still independent as of right now.

To check any of that shit, look it up on riaaradar.com I'm too lazy right now.

[benpotrykus]

Drive-Thru has been distributed and backed by MCA for as long as I can remember and I don't consider them an independent label.
Fiddler, I am pretty sure, is also backed by a major. I want to say Island/Def Jam, but I am not positive.
Victory is most definitely not indie, sir.
Doghouse is still independent as of right now.

To check any of that shit, look it up on riaaradar.com I'm too lazy right now.

I stand corrected -- Victory + Fiddler are both indie. Victory is still the shadiest label ever, though, haha.

[InaGreendase]

Indie pop and indie rock are actual music styles, subgenres of rock. Indie also stands as the abbreviated version of "independent" when referring to record labels, but it IS also a style that isn't just limited to independent bands. Confirm it with allmusic and deal with it.

Example: Franz Ferdinand may be on a major, but they are still, by definition, "indie rock."

[youareallfreaks]

after reading this thread, i think ima go listen to say anything. if they suck, i will kick you. if they're good, high fives all around.

[twe]

yeah... i didn't really like the Say Anything album either. Nothing special about it
i'm going to disagree there. i downloaded the whole album and then decided that they were most definitely worthy of my money and went out and purchased it. it is by far my favorite album of the year, hard to beat it.

[mondeoman]

Nice to see Snow Patrol selling well. And Head Automatica is good too.

[Darren McLeod]

Say Anything's album probably doesn't sell well because it's so damn hard to find.

I've wanted to pick it up but no record stores in Canada have it... however, I see TBS and Yellowcard in plentiful supplies at every Walmart and Future Shop and HMV... displayed in easy to find locations too.

[PAID2makeUpanic]

"i worry about how this album will sell, cuz I believe that it'll determine the amount of SEX i will have in the future."

mann Max Bemis is not getting laid. :(

[druck]

say anything deserves MUCH more than that, come on people buy the fucking cd.