The "New" Drive Thru Records

[Greg Thimmes]

Here is a message posted on the Drive Thru Records website (http://www.drivethrurecords.com)

Some of you know, some of you don't care, but we are absolutely THRILLED to be done with our 5 year sentence with MCA/Geffen Records. The distribution deal (which included a vile clause where Geffen could take any of our bands from us whenever they felt like it) is over!!! After meeting with every label on the planet, we decided to make a new deal with Sanctuary which was signed today. We turned down millions of dollars from majors to keep our independence. Sanctuary is an independent record label, management company, booking agency, merch company...they do it all. Basically, the company is a collective of a bunch of entrepreneurs who started awesome companies from the ground up and then joined together to form one giant company. They get what we're doing! They aren't a clueless major label. DTR is 100% independent, as we always have been, but this time no one can take our bands from us!

We are so excited to begin our new situation and the "new" Drive-Thru Records. As always, we appreciate all of you so much and thank you for supporting our bands and our label. We love you.

[skakamikaze]

If they're happy. Good for them..

[betweenyouandus]

so as of now, what bands are on DTR?

[PunkVideoGuys]

so as of now, what bands are on DTR?


umm just off the top of my head...sorry if i forget any

rx bandits, steel train, hidden in plain view, the early november, allister, home grown, jenoah, hellogoodbye, adelphi, socratic, halifax, and an angle....i hope i don't forget anything


As for DTR I am really happy for them. No matter what everybody wants to say they are good people and they work very very very hard. I happen to know a couple people down there personally and the DTR office is a great environment. Richard is an awesome person who gives his time to little bands that just want feedback from the guy behind dtr. You can say whatever you want, but I back DTR 100%

[betweenyouandus]

so i take that as DTR got boned out of their bigger bands (nfg, finch)?

[XPrettyXWasteX]

That's good for them.

[samurai23]

so TEN is the only band on the label. One ain't bad.
They should have sold out.

[derricklc22]

SoCo is gone from Drive-Thru, that seems weird.

[selftitled85]

it sucks they lost all of the good bands besides ten and hipv. but new bands will come along if they stop signing shitty bands minus halifax. and when most people will think of dtr im sure they will stil think of nfg and soco

[xOxBeMinexOx]

Thats awesome for them. I've always loved Drive-Thru. It sucks that Geffen took most of their bigger bands...

[tyais]

it sucks they lost all of the good bands besides ten and steel train and rx bandits

Fixed your post. :blah:

[punklet2101]

why would you get into a contract like that with MCA anyway? i'm just curious

[xhilaryx]

isn't Sanctuary run by megadeth ????

[AsheyLarryRXB]

is rxb still on drive thru or did they get off it yet

[nud0]

This is fucking awesome.

[infamous_alias]

Hmmmm, no anti-DTR posts yet. I'm a little suprised...

[PunkVideoGuys]

Thats awesome for them. I've always loved Drive-Thru. It sucks that Geffen took most of their bigger bands...


yeah geffen took nfg, finch, soco and tsl

[Keegan]

I thought that RX bandits got out of the deal with dtr 'cause they were unhappy with it and they're on their own record label or something.

That sucks that they lost the bands that they went out and found and supported themselves to only have someone steal it away from them.

Also the reason they signed with MCA for distro is because their records didn't get out anywhere and MCA said that they would just Rich and Stef money to run the label they wanted without having to max out all their credit cards. However they got screwed by a couple things.

[Humres0083]

The reason DTR signed the original deal with MCA was because at that point they were a struggling label, couldnt put out records, coudlnt give tour support for bands. MCA comes along sees promise in them and offers to give them financial stability, with their backs against the wall the kind of sold their souls to the devil, for five years anyway. And from what i understand as i saw them last week, the Rx Bandits are no longer on dtr they are apart of an independent label much smaller, i do not recall the name but it wasnt an indie label many have heard of

[benpotrykus]

<i>DTR is 100% independent, as we always have been</i>

Pahahahahahah--wwwwhhhattt??!

[TMBJon]

If there was a label with all the previously on drive thru bands, i'd like it more. oh wait, its called geffen? right.

[Frank Giaramita]

Does sanctuary realize how much DTR's new signings suck??

p.s.- I'm sorry to break the streak of positive posts but this thread is a little too gay and joyful for me, this isn't a fucking parade.

[Humres0083]

oh and the other night at the show, the Rx Bandits had a flyer at their table with a list of prices for shirts and other merch, when it got to cds it said:

CD's: Fuck Geffen records burn it for free from a friend or online!

[punklet2101]

oh and the other night at the show, the Rx Bandits had a flyer at their table with a list of prices for shirts and other merch, when it got to cds it said:

CD's: Fuck Geffen records burn it for free from a friend or online!

haha nice

[djUbilla]

Wow, I think this is the wrong direction to take the label. It seems like this'll be a company taht doesn't even care about the music. I don't get it...we'll see.

[AlkTrio205]

I like how they're free after all the bands that were any good on their label left.

(Okay, I lied. I like HIPV, and Allister and Home Grown are alright for just simple pop-punk bands.)

[Burnout2888]

They misspelled available on their site, on the An Angle flash. :lol2:

[higherbudget]

why would you get into a contract like that with MCA anyway? i'm just curious

when they started out, they had NO money whatsoever, it was in an interview posted a while back i believe

[Mr Nohbody]

Wow, I think this is the wrong direction to take the label. It seems like this'll be a company taht doesn't even care about the music. I don't get it...we'll see.

I think you have it backwards, if I understand what your trying to say... that or I have it backwards if you dont understand what I'm trying to say... one of the two

[middlenameboom]

why would you get into a contract like that with MCA anyway? i'm just curious
Well i'm just guessing but dtr probably has like no major distrobution. They can mail you stuff from there store but they probably cant get into actual record stores without the help of a distributor. That's probably also why they had two online eps and home grown can only be bought in their online store. Thats why they signed with another label. They probably signed with MCA because they needed a distributor and this was a big label. Plus dont have have Blink.

[InaGreendase]

If the Rx Bandits are on any label besides Drive-Thru, it's probably Matt's label, Mashdown Babylon.

Also, I saw Steel Train tonight with them, and they really aren't as terrible as everyone cracks them up to be. Granted they're much more of a jam band than when DT first signed them, but they're still not THAT bad. Nothing I would listen to on my own time, but I didn't mind them.

[Jac Vanek]

SoCo is gone from Drive-Thru, that seems weird.

I totally agree.

[intoyourarms]

RXB still have one record left on their Drive Thru contract so they aren't technically completely out of it yet. Although Matt did say he want to do his own thing completely with Mash Down Babylon Records.

[ihatepunk]

why would you get into a contract like that with MCA anyway? i'm just curious

from what i remeber richard saying in an interview it was because they had little to no money, were on the verge of giving what was their's (he and stephanie's) dream due to their financial woes. Geffen came along and saw something they liked, it was either that or go under and this is just a guess on my part, but they probably didn't think it was nearly as bad in the beginning anyway. i know they both thought that as much as they loved the bands on their label, the chance of any of them blowing up like NFG was incredibly slim, so i doubt that part of the contract was a very big concern to them when, as richard said, they were just trying to keep their heads above water.
i don't know if all of that is true word for word, but that was the essence of what i got from one of his recent interviews.

i like rx and finch although the latter isn't theirs anymore i guess, and the other stuff just doesn't appeal to me.
but good for them. i know if i ran/owned a label and had it blow up like drive-thru did, after getting out of a bad deal, i'd find the best available situation with the most freedom possible, sign bands i liked and told everyone who complained or didn't 'approve' of the bands because either they weren't diverse enough or didn't fit the scene enough (it's always either/or) to fuck off and start their own label. and mortgaging your future for a dream is a nice story, but i'd do the same if i was a trust fund baby too.

even though i think drive thru deserves some props, Stephanie Reines' diatribe on this site several months ago still makes me question if she has grown up yet or if all those bands on D/T have to deal with the unprofessional bitch she came across as back then. hopefully, for the sake of any and everyone who has to spend time around her(that includes all the bands and even her brother), she's grown up.

[YoureAnImbecile]

Don't forget that they do still hold the rights to I Am The Avalanche. I'm kind of curious to see what happens with that.

[jacobe]

They say Sanctuary is a bunch of small labels that worked from the ground up and joined forces to be one huge company....just like the majors did. It's apples/oranges.

If you want to consider yourself indie or diy, don't sign a P&D deal. Fat and Epitaph both handle the production and distribution of thier titles. They are truly indie labels.

Vagrant, DTR and even EVR all have some sort of major label money coursing through them, not that there is anything wrong with that at all, but don't come off as doing some amazing thing by not being with Geffen, but signing with Sanc.

The statement "DTR is and always has been independent" is far from the truth. What were they independent of? footing the bill?

I have respect for Richard and Stef at DTR, but they make some bold statements at times that are about as far from the truth as something can get.

[[Brendan]]

Vagrant, DTR and even EVR all have some sort of major label money coursing through them, not that there is anything wrong with that at all, but don't come off as doing some amazing thing by not being with Geffen, but signing with Sanc.

You also missed out Victory who are apparently (http://www.arancidamoeba.com/mrr/whoownswho2.html) owned by the same parent record label/corperation that also own Island.

I think this is good for DTR and I hope they do well. I just wish they'd sign some good bands again and stop signing [insert average band here] and just go back to finding some bands with lots of potential that could be just as good as NFG, Finch, SoCo, and TSL if not better.

[Sailor Tattoos]

OH FUCK! i cant wait for i am the avalanche!!! i dont care what label its on!!! long live vinnie c.!!!!

[ihatepunk]

Does sanctuary realize how much DTR's new signings suck??

p.s.- I'm sorry to break the streak of positive posts but this thread is a little too gay and joyful for me, this isn't a fucking parade.


that p.s. was hilarious

[MaybeOneDay]

oh and the other night at the show, the Rx Bandits had a flyer at their table with a list of prices for shirts and other merch, when it got to cds it said:

CD's: Fuck Geffen records burn it for free from a friend or online!
That's awesome.

[NJUNDERDOG]

DTR didnt really loose any bands. Geffen just has the rights to the albums, not the bands themselves. DTR still has finch, nfg, soco, its just that theyre not releasing thier albums.

[brandonrocks]

We turned down millions of dollars from majors to keep our independence.



bullshit

[xploream]

drive thru had a deal with a major(geffen), that's why they lost some of the bands. they have never really been independent with geffen.

guess what, sanctuary are a huge major corporation. traded on the stock exchange, etc. they raise huge amounts of money via public offerings of stock.

guess what? sanctuary are distributed by a major label, BMG.

at least drive thru should be honest about it. posers. stop trying to get some street cred by claiming you are an independent. posers.

jimmy

[richtsl]

I think what they mean by being Independant is that their own their own label., They had a deal with effen but Geffen never owned any part of Drive Thru, whereas other indie are part owned by majors. (Victory)

Check out the interview i did about a month ago at www.gamefoe.co.uk then go to interviews.

[benpotrykus]

drive thru had a deal with a major(geffen), that's why they lost some of the bands. they have never really been independent with geffen.

guess what, sanctuary are a huge major corporation. traded on the stock exchange, etc. they raise huge amounts of money via public offerings of stock.

guess what? sanctuary are distributed by a major label, BMG.

at least drive thru should be honest about it. posers. stop trying to get some street cred by claiming you are an independent. posers.

jimmy

Good to see SOMEONE doing research! It DOES fucking matter where your money goes when you buy a CD, and people should start to realize that. You want to keep music alive? BUY CDs from the little labels -- the REAL little labels. I still advocate burning the stuff from the bigger guys (if you have to listen to any of it at all...) I feel they can afford it. And if it comes down to a subsidiary losing a deal with its major, it is probably better off. These people who try to claim independence while going through majors are making a mockery of what the DIY culture and punk scene were all about/have been all about/could potentially still be about. I think I would have more respect for a major label exec who tells me flat-out that people wrote the songs for his newest band so they could try to make the most money possible than people who put out records in the name of independent music while taking money off those execs. They're not bad people, but they should tell their listeners/customers the truth.

And that's my two cents. You don't have to agree with me, and I appreciate constructive feedback, so go for it. :]

[Rogers2407]

finch is still on dtr...hipv and halifax are probably my favorite bands on dtr. It's not like geffen needed Soco of NFG thas so gay...It makes me hate them except of blink.

[samurai23]

just wait until the bands they have decide to leave on their own

[sweitz03]

i could just be really stupid, but i'm not really exactly sure how this works anyway, so don't make fun of me, fill me in lol

i bought the senses fail cd the other day, and it says on the spine "vagrant/drive thru" so the logo is still on the cd. so i don't know what that means, but it looks like senses fail is still affiliated.

[caringiscreepy]

Actually in an interview with matt he said that he talked to richard and stephanie and they let them out of the contract a record early. So I'd say its pretty official the rx bandits are not on drive thru anymore. matt said either mash down would release there material or asia man records.

[failedXromance]

All the bands on geffen are their for the tenure of their contracts, so, if NFG or Finch or SoCo or TSL (thats a fucking lot of anagrams) Dont want to be on Geffen, then they just dont need to sign new contracts. This means, in a perfect world, all the great older DTR bands could return to DTR when theyre album requirments are up, or, when geffen drops them for not selling like Blink or Green Day, or i guess now a days i guess TBS, they can all just go back to DTR. I know it sounds like im hating on all the geffen/dtr bands but im not. 3 out of the 4 are some of my favorite bands (not a big NFG fan) I think that their all great bands, but, i mean come on, witht eh exception of SoCo, none of the bands have real cross over appeal. As much as I hate to say it, yeah, alot of Britany Spears fan base is 12 year old girls, theres still pervy old men and high school and college girls that buy the cds, goes to the shows, watchs her Pay per view concerts, thats how a cd by her can sell 10 million copies. The bands can go back to DTR in probably no time if they want. At very least, they can just not sign a new contract with geffen and go on back when their contracts are up.

[earthvsralph]

too bad all the good bands are gone or leaving. (and senses fail doesnt count as a band leaving cause they suck. good riddance to those fakers.)

[AsheyLarryRXB]

Actually in an interview with matt he said that he talked to richard and stephanie and they let them out of the contract a record early. So I'd say its pretty official the rx bandits are not on drive thru anymore. matt said either mash down would release there material or asia man records.

asian man records still exists?

[xJeremyx]

this really doesnt mean much to me anymore. It would have been cool news two years ago or so but now with all the horrible horrible signings, it just doesnt matter. I think the last DTR cd i actually bought was soco's leaving through the window and the only current signing i enjoy is hellogoodbye. Seriously wtf is up with an angle and their horrible attempt to rip off bright eyes.

[saintjoel]

i think by saying that they have always been indy they mean simply that its always been their say who they sign

[em0_stars]

All the bands on geffen are their for the tenure of their contracts, so, if NFG or Finch or SoCo or TSL (thats a fucking lot of anagrams) Dont want to be on Geffen, then they just dont need to sign new contracts. This means, in a perfect world, all the great older DTR bands could return to DTR when theyre album requirments are up, or, when geffen drops them for not selling like Blink or Green Day, or i guess now a days i guess TBS, they can all just go back to DTR. I know it sounds like im hating on all the geffen/dtr bands but im not. 3 out of the 4 are some of my favorite bands (not a big NFG fan) I think that their all great bands, but, i mean come on, witht eh exception of SoCo, none of the bands have real cross over appeal. As much as I hate to say it, yeah, alot of Britany Spears fan base is 12 year old girls, theres still pervy old men and high school and college girls that buy the cds, goes to the shows, watchs her Pay per view concerts, thats how a cd by her can sell 10 million copies. The bands can go back to DTR in probably no time if they want. At very least, they can just not sign a new contract with geffen and go on back when their contracts are up.

nough said g

[MidniteVulture]

Holy cow Richard and Stefanie talk so much shit.

[piebaldkid42]

atleast drive thru was smart enough to not ditch there most talented band

rx bandits

[Jim Morgan]

All the bands on geffen are their for the tenure of their contracts, so, if NFG or Finch or SoCo or TSL (thats a fucking lot of anagrams) Dont want to be on Geffen, then they just dont need to sign new contracts. This means, in a perfect world, all the great older DTR bands could return to DTR when theyre album requirments are up, or, when geffen drops them for not selling like Blink or Green Day, or i guess now a days i guess TBS, they can all just go back to DTR. I know it sounds like im hating on all the geffen/dtr bands but im not. 3 out of the 4 are some of my favorite bands (not a big NFG fan) I think that their all great bands, but, i mean come on, witht eh exception of SoCo, none of the bands have real cross over appeal. As much as I hate to say it, yeah, alot of Britany Spears fan base is 12 year old girls, theres still pervy old men and high school and college girls that buy the cds, goes to the shows, watchs her Pay per view concerts, thats how a cd by her can sell 10 million copies. The bands can go back to DTR in probably no time if they want. At very least, they can just not sign a new contract with geffen and go on back when their contracts are up.

Just cause DTR got a bad deal doesnt mean NFG, Soco, Finch and TSL did

[Albino_Virgin]

Actually in an interview with matt he said that he talked to richard and stephanie and they let them out of the contract a record early. So I'd say its pretty official the rx bandits are not on drive thru anymore. matt said either mash down would release there material or asia man records.


Yes, that is correct. I'm sure Matt'll just release it his though...unless he needs some extra help. They are seriously one of the greatest bands ever. They were the only band I liked on DTR, and now they left on their own. But hey, maybe it'll be a fresh start or something cheesy like that and they'll actually start signing good bands to the roster again.

[Humres0083]

If the Rx Bandits are on any label besides Drive-Thru, it's probably Matt's label, Mashdown Babylon.

Also, I saw Steel Train tonight with them, and they really aren't as terrible as everyone cracks them up to be. Granted they're much more of a jam band than when DT first signed them, but they're still not THAT bad. Nothing I would listen to on my own time, but I didn't mind them.


This is true they are really alot more like jam band now....they drew pretty well when i saw them probably 200 kids...thats better than what Midtown did on their tour...they averaged 150 except in NJ and one other city

[Humres0083]

i could just be really stupid, but i'm not really exactly sure how this works anyway, so don't make fun of me, fill me in lol

i bought the senses fail cd the other day, and it says on the spine "vagrant/drive thru" so the logo is still on the cd. so i don't know what that means, but it looks like senses fail is still affiliated.

That means that Drive Thru was the original label that had their rights, they got on vagrant via a loop hole so... If you look on Thursdays Cd (War all the time) youll notice there is a Victory records logo on it, thats because Island bought Thursday out of their Victory contract

[Humres0083]

Does anyone know if Geffen wants to pick up a DTR band, did they have to go to Geffen, I had heard that the Rx Bandits and The Early November refused?

[weworemasks]

rx bandits are the only band worth anything on drive thru now.

[failedXromance]

Just cause DTR got a bad deal doesnt mean NFG, Soco, Finch and TSL did


Im not saying they got a bad deal, what Im saying is that, if they want to, they dont ever have to be fully geffen. the only contracts they have signed, to the best of my knowlage, are there drive thru contracts, so, if when its up, meaning that there geffen shit is up too, they can go back to DTR or to who ever the hell else thy want to sign

[tyais]

Now is the time where I point out once again that Richard and Steffanie are the ones who signed the contract. If they didn't read the clause, they're obviously HORRIBLE business people. If they did, they obviously didn't have the foresight to realize a bad deal - another aspect of a bad business person.

We're not talking about a kid who is barely eight who traded his Bonds rookie card for a candy bar. We're talking about adults who are trying to make a business out of what they're doing. If you can't be a good business person, don't be a business person. Be a talent scout or something. But don't bitch and moan that you got screwed, when you're the one who jumped in bed naked with the guy.

[Contortionist]

Now is the time where I point out once again that Richard and Steffanie are the ones who signed the contract. If they didn't read the clause, they're obviously HORRIBLE business people. If they did, they obviously didn't have the foresight to realize a bad deal - another aspect of a bad business person.

We're not talking about a kid who is barely eight who traded his Bonds rookie card for a candy bar. We're talking about adults who are trying to make a business out of what they're doing. If you can't be a good business person, don't be a business person. Be a talent scout or something. But don't bitch and moan that you got screwed, when you're the one who jumped in bed naked with the guy.
What I don't think you richard or steph understand is that they would of been shit with out the MCA contract, they probably wouldn't exist today and would of never got to release any of the good cds they got to release, and though Geffen are assholes Drive Thru is just paying off their debts and now they have an alright label money wise at least and im sure their alot happier doing this then w/e the fuck they would have been doing if drive thru went out of business (with out the contract). Especially since I know smaller labels that are dying to get major support cause they've maxed out credit cards on bands and are just barely making it, kindof like the situtation drive thru was in.

[ra223]

so from what i know, when i was @ warped this summer the guy @ the dtr booth told me something. He told me that yes Geffen has control of NFG/SOCO/FINCH/TSL However, they have not "left" dtr. Legally when the bands put out cds DTR are allowed to put that logo @ the end of the cd, as someone mentioned with the Thursday Island/Victory delema. As its been noted about the new Senses Fail etc... It is because they are dtr bands and they never left on bad terms in any case of touring or promotion or anything wise DTR will always back them up just like they do for LTJ. As well for tours if they want a spot on the next Drive Thru Invasion they are all more then welcomed to infact drive thru wants them to. Legally now they are on a major label however, Drive thru still considers them part of the family(from what im told)

My Opinion: alot of the bands are kinda now starting to be rip offs, this new band sounds like a damn Bright Eyes wanna bes, but dont knock them for being picked up(dtr that is.) it is good Marketing, they are one of the pioners of Pop Punk which is so mainstream the bands that get big were from the core of this label. Drive Thru can put on the shittiest band on the plannet that was manufactured and can't play an instrument litterally. But because of the past that they have had its okay because they can still market it because of the name "Drive Thru." I can garantee thats why labels jumped out to try and get them to sign with them, But this RX Bandits thing??? I wanna know what happend with that.

LONG LIVE ALLISTER ONE OF THE ORIGNAL BANDS ON DTR

[classicjazz123]

geffen robbed dtr of everything good.

drive thru is done.

[TheDaveCarlson]

What I dont get is.. How so many of you can sit here and tear apart or try to support DTR without the knowledge of what's inside their now-defunct contract?

Details of label logo's on CD spine: In the contract.. and yes they probably fought over it.

Good for DTR, I hope they use this window to do good things. Good for Geffen, they got some bands out of the deal.


For all that care:

Lesson about about "Independents" and "Majors"..

True Independent - Has no affiliation with a major or mini-major, but is financed by its owners and/or investors. Examples: Ryko, Epitaph, Sub Pop, etc.. Even though some of these labels records go through majors. The true indies distribute their records through independent distributors, which arent affiliated with a major. In the past the indie distributors handled the majors.. but now the majors have their own distro, so now the indie distros only distribute smaller labels.

Major distributors - BMG, EMI, Sony, Universal, and WEA

all of which own major labels, or more-so.. the labels own these distro's together.. such as BMG is owned/shared by Arista, Jive, and RCA.. and I believe J Records has a part in it [clive davis]

Mini-major labels - A&M, Geffen, Virgin, Interscope, Motown, Jive, LaFace, Chrysalis, Island, Sire, Dreamworks, and Enigma

all of which were bought and merged as well..

they merged because the indie market is kicking the major markets ass lately..

It's all really confusing.. so its hard to make up opinions on such. If you want to know more about it.. pick up a book. That's where I pulled all this from.

"All You Need To Know About The Music Business" by Donald S. Passman

so much to type.. all for nothign im sure, hah

[MumblingMiles]

SoCo is gone from Drive-Thru, that seems weird.

SoCo has been gone for almost two years now. They were bumped up to MCA along with Finch not long after NFG was.

[tyais]

What I dont get is.. How so many of you can sit here and tear apart or try to support DTR without the knowledge of what's inside their now-defunct contract?

Details of label logo's on CD spine: In the contract.. and yes they probably fought over it.

Good for DTR, I hope they use this window to do good things. Good for Geffen, they got some bands out of the deal.


For all that care:

Lesson about about "Independents" and "Majors"..

True Independent - Has no affiliation with a major or mini-major, but is financed by its owners and/or investors. Examples: Ryko, Epitaph, Sub Pop, etc.. Even though some of these labels records go through majors. The true indies distribute their records through independent distributors, which arent affiliated with a major. In the past the indie distributors handled the majors.. but now the majors have their own distro, so now the indie distros only distribute smaller labels.

Major distributors - BMG, EMI, Sony, Universal, and WEA

all of which own major labels, or more-so.. the labels own these distro's together.. such as BMG is owned/shared by Arista, Jive, and RCA.. and I believe J Records has a part in it [clive davis]

Mini-major labels - A&M, Geffen, Virgin, Interscope, Motown, Jive, LaFace, Chrysalis, Island, Sire, Dreamworks, and Enigma

all of which were bought and merged as well..

they merged because the indie market is kicking the major markets ass lately..

It's all really confusing.. so its hard to make up opinions on such. If you want to know more about it.. pick up a book. That's where I pulled all this from.

"All You Need To Know About The Music Business" by Donald S. Passman

so much to type.. all for nothign im sure, hah


Not all for nothing. Thanks for the book recommend and for increasing the bandwidth charge for AP. ;)