Well!?!

[Wez1212Yes]

Are bands today all money grabbing media whoring bastards I mean seriously Paramore putting out a dvd after 2 albums is just wrong and to think I honestly thought they were different from the trend.

[Regards]

My whole world is crushed.

[googirl8907]

:-|

[murrich]

Are bands today all money grabbing media whoring bastards I mean seriously Paramore putting out a dvd after 2 albums is just wrong and to think I honestly thought they were different from the trend.

haha

[Circa1628]

No they aren't All American Rejects along with a lot of other bands have put one out after only one.

Coheed put one out after only two, and it was great.

[DaveZeroZero]

The only Paramore-related dvd I want is one containing n00dz of hayley.

[mellzie14]

I don't see anything worng with them putting out a DVD now. Especially since they are so popular and their fans have been asking for it. What's the problem? :shrug:

[DaveZeroZero]

the problem is that Hayley isn't naked, that's what.

[Regards]

The only Paramore-related dvd I want is one containing n00dz of hayley.
Go back to the PL forum. Bringing that smut in here, geez.

[DaveZeroZero]

Go back to the PL forum. Bringing that smut in here, geez.
at least I didn't reference anal.

until now!

[Wez1212Yes]

I don't see anything worng with them putting out a DVD now. Especially since they are so popular and their fans have been asking for it. What's the problem? :shrug:

I am a fan but still think it's money grabbing on their current success.

[mellzie14]

I am a fan but still think it's money grabbing on their current success.

I don't get why you think that. Of course they are trying to get money, they need to make a living too. But if this is something a lot of people want, why not put it out for them AND get paid at the same time. It seems like a win-win for both sides.

[Wez1212Yes]

I don't get why you think that. Of course they are trying to get money, they need to make a living too. But if this is something a lot of people want, why not put it out for them AND get paid at the same time. It seems like a win-win for both sides.

I disagree i'm pretty sure they've got plenty of money already and could wait until they've had a couple more albums it just seems like they're cashing in on current success and music isn't a business but an art.

[DaveZeroZero]

nobody wins without n00dz.

[chaosB4storm]

nobody wins without n00dz.

Fact.

[chaosB4storm]

Are bands today all money grabbing media whoring bastards I mean seriously Paramore putting out a dvd after 2 albums is just wrong and to think I honestly thought they were different from the trend.

Yes, and who's place is it to blame them?

[liar23]

nobody wins without n00dz.
QFT

[summer skin]

Paramore are money grubbing whores because they won't put out the Haley sex tape.

[Getup and Dance]

Refused put a DVD out after three albums, but they are also Refused and have a hell of alot more talent then Paramore.

[summer skin]

Refused put a DVD out after three albums, but they are also Refused and have a hell of alot more talent then Paramore.
You have no proof of that claim.
Parmore do kung fu flips.

[allhourcymbals]

Uhhhhh. "Wrong" to put out a DVD? The only reason I could possibly see why it is wrong is because they shouldn't be exposing people to that, you know? But ay ay ay. You.

[Getup and Dance]

Haley doesnt deserve to say "We want the airwaves back" in that one song, She stole that line from Refused.

[chaosB4storm]

Uhhhhh. "Wrong" to put out a DVD? The only reason I could possibly see why it is wrong is because they shouldn't be exposing people to that, you know? But ay ay ay. You.

Agrizzle.

[DaveZeroZero]

You have no proof of that claim.
Parmore do kung fu flips.
and we all know how much talent that requires.

[DaveZeroZero]

Uhhhhh. "Wrong" to put out a DVD? The only reason I could possibly see why it is wrong is because they shouldn't be exposing people to that, you know? But ay ay ay. You.
oh, I know, you know?

[summer skin]

oh, I know, you know?
evvvvvvvverything
I KNOW YOU DIDN'T MEAN IT
I KNOW YOU DIDN'T MEAN IT

[handlikesecret]

nope. i'll be looking forward to it.

[chaosB4storm]

nope. i'll be looking forward to it.

Yea, I'l see ya therrrre!:drew:

[Getup and Dance]

Can the DVD just be Haley jumping around in small revealing clothing?

[checkered.stars]

drop everything, start it all over
remember more than you'd like to forget

[liar23]

Would you like to forget?
Would you like to forget?

[checkered.stars]

DROP EVERYTHIIINNNNGGGG
x

[summer skin]

Worst song on that cd.

[handlikesecret]

Yea, I'l see ya therrrre!:drew:
:highfive: definitely! you're going to the tour?

[checkered.stars]

I thought it was one of the better songs of that album. :shrug:

[liar23]

I thought it was one of the better songs of that album. :shrug:
same

[chaosB4storm]

:highfive: definitely! you're going to the tour?

Aww, now I feel like a dick. I'm actually not very interested in the band. I was being sarcastic. At least you know for next time that that is my sarcastic dancer smilie. :-(

[handlikesecret]

Aww, now I feel like a dick. I'm actually not very interested in the band. I was being sarcastic. At least you know for next time that that is my sarcastic dancer smilie. :-(
haha dangit! my sarcasm detector needs new batteries apparently. ah well, that's the internet for you.

[summer skin]

I thought it was one of the better songs of that album. :shrug:
The only song that was worse was Set Phasers to Stun.

[checkered.stars]

The only song that was worse was Set Phasers to Stun.
say yes, say yes, say yes...

But it was a pretty good opener. I liked it.

[summer skin]

say yes, say yes, say yes...

But it was a pretty good opener. I liked it.
The Union is the most underrated track on that album.

[nashiscash1324]

The only Paramore-related dvd I want is one containing n00dz of hayley.

exactly.

[funkel]

It's probably the label's influence alot moreso than the band's...

[DaveZeroZero]

It's probably the label's influence alot moreso than the band's...
that ramen must be made of gold, they take so much money.

[checkered.stars]

The Union is the most underrated track on that album.
Definitely agreed. I Am Fred Astaire is great too. If they went down that road for LN, it would have been awesome.

[boxingwithstars]

i don't see the big deal about them putting out a DVD... they're making money no matter what so i doubt that was their only intention in releasing something like that. they probably want to give the fans something to enjoy while they're in between albums.

[handlikesecret]

i don't see the big deal about them putting out a DVD... they're making money no matter what so i doubt that was their only intention in releasing something like that. they probably want to give the fans something to enjoy while they're in between albums.
excellent user name, that's my favorite part of the song.

[DaveZeroZero]

ah, but they make MORE money if they put out a dvd. Duh! =]

[handlikesecret]

God forbid they make more money!

[chaosB4storm]

lol I know, eh? Who cares...

[handlikesecret]

lol I know, eh? Who cares...
last i checked, the reason they signed with FBR and worked so freakin' hard on tour and whatnot is so they can make money. because after all, it is their job.

[alltimecam]

who cares a lot of their fans probabaly want a live album
what does it matter if they only have two albums

[Wez1212Yes]

last i checked, the reason they signed with FBR and worked so freakin' hard on tour and whatnot is so they can make money. because after all, it is their job.

Music isn't a business though but an art and Paramore seriously work hard yep putting on the same rehearsed performance every night is so fucking night is so difficult I mean c'mon Comeback Kid,As I Lay Dying,Dead Swans work hard but not 4 gig a week oooh we need a break Paramore.

[Wez1212Yes]

last i checked, the reason they signed with FBR and worked so freakin' hard on tour and whatnot is so they can make money. because after all, it is their job.

Music isn't a business though but an art and Paramore seriously work hard yep putting on the same rehearsed performance every night is so fucking difficult I mean c'mon Comeback Kid,As I Lay Dying,Dead Swans work hard but not 4 gig a week oooh we need a break Paramore.

[Wez1212Yes]

who cares a lot of their fans probabaly want a live album
what does it matter if they only have two albums

I was a fan until I heard they were bringing out a dvd.

[Getup and Dance]

Music isn't a business though but an art and Paramore seriously work hard yep putting on the same rehearsed performance every night is so fucking night is so difficult I mean c'mon Comeback Kid,As I Lay Dying,Dead Swans work hard but not 4 gig a week oooh we need a break Paramore.

Wrong, music is a business. Why do you think bands want to make it big and get signed?


So they can make more money.

[IWasaCamera]

21?

[chaosB4storm]

Music isn't a business
:drew:

[handlikesecret]

Music isn't a business though but an art and Paramore seriously work hard yep putting on the same rehearsed performance every night is so fucking night is so difficult I mean c'mon Comeback Kid,As I Lay Dying,Dead Swans work hard but not 4 gig a week oooh we need a break Paramore.
hmm you don't think so? i've always thought of music as an occupation just like any other. i don't think people see it as that because it seems like such an enjoyable line of work. but by all technical definition of a job, i'd say pursuing the music scene fits the definition.

[Getup and Dance]

I was a fan until I heard they were bringing out a dvd.

Just because they want to market themselves you arent a fan?

I see you have the Shape of Punk To Come as a favorite album, Refused came out with a DVD. Are you not a fan of them anymore?

[DaveZeroZero]

there are so many people without avatars.

damn.

[Wez1212Yes]

Wrong, music is a business. Why do you think bands want to make it big and get signed?


So they can make more money.

I'm in a band but we really couldn't care less about how many fans we have i'd rather play to 20 people that listened to music that meant something and understood our ethics than 20,000 people that couldn't care less and listened to us 'cos we're played on the radio.

[Getup and Dance]

I'm in a band but we really couldn't care less about how many fans we have i'd rather play to 20 people that listened to music that meant something and understood our ethics than 20,000 people that couldn't care less and listened to us 'cos we're played on the radio.

But im sure one day you would love to get paid just to do music and not take on a side job im sure.

[Wez1212Yes]

Just because they want to market themselves you arent a fan?

I see you have the Shape of Punk To Come as a favorite album, Refused came out with a DVD. Are you not a fan of them anymore?

Aah but Refused are the epitome of amazing and Paramore are an average jump on the bandwagon band.

[DaveZeroZero]

what are these "ethics" of which you speak?

[Wez1212Yes]

But im sure one day you would love to get paid just to do music and not take on a side job im sure.

Not really i'm a chef so it's easy to travel and work just knackering.

[Wez1212Yes]

what are these "ethics" of which you speak?

We're a political hardcore band.

[m_rue]

This is stupid. The demand for a dvd is there, so why not put it out?

[checkered.stars]

I think music is a business, seeing as how the definition of business is "an occupation, profession, or trade".

Edit: Oh never mind then. I'm a little late.

[DaveZeroZero]

We're a political hardcore band.
politics isn't about ethics, don't be silly.

[Wez1212Yes]

This is stupid. The demand for a dvd is there, so why not put it out?

Yes the demand was there I mean people literally lined the streets begging for a Paramore dvd,now c'mon seriously if they hadn't released 1 no one would care I just feel you need a fuller body of work before a live dvd unless it's got documentary and backstage footage with it and I doubt Paramore will do 'cos they've already said they want to release another dvd 1 day with all that kind of stuff.

[handlikesecret]

I'm in a band but we really couldn't care less about how many fans we have i'd rather play to 20 people that listened to music that meant something and understood our ethics than 20,000 people that couldn't care less and listened to us 'cos we're played on the radio.
and what about those people think "oh wow, i love doing this and i would love to pursue this as a career?" i'm not saying being in a band is a job, but pursuing it as a career is.

I was a fan until I heard they were bringing out a dvd.
the infallibility of that logic is profound.

[Wez1212Yes]

I think music is a business, seeing as how the definition of business is "an occupation, profession, or trade".

Edit: Oh never mind then. I'm a little late.

Music was created as a way of conveying emotion not to make money.

[checkered.stars]

What's normally in a DVD? Concert footage and extras, right? So what exactly is so wrong with a band wanting to put out material that would satisfy the fans who can't make it to their concerts? Nothing, really.

[handlikesecret]

I think music is a business, seeing as how the definition of business is "an occupation, profession, or trade".

Edit: Oh never mind then. I'm a little late.
haha no worries, i was too. you hit the nail on the head though. :highfive: people our age really don't regard it as a business though, it's quite annoying.

[Wez1212Yes]

the infallibility of that logic is profound.

No it's not it pisses me off when they become money grabbers-I mean they play 14 song setlists whereas The Cure play for 3hrs now that's a dvd worth watching.

[handlikesecret]

Music was created as a way of conveying emotion not to make money.
and so was every form of art. is painting not an occupation now?

[checkered.stars]

Music was created as a way of conveying emotion not to make money.
Yeah if no one bought a band's albums or merch, they wouldn't be able to survive as a band. Being in a band is expensive, no? You have to pay to press records, to buy gas, to get equipment, etc etc. I understand what you're saying, but money is of some sort of importance.

[Wez1212Yes]

politics isn't about ethics, don't be silly.

Our political ethics.

[Wez1212Yes]

and so was every form of art. is painting not an occupation now?

Not really only for wankers there are still plenty of people who care in painting though.

[handlikesecret]

Yeah if no one bought a band's albums or merch, they wouldn't be able to survive as a band. Being in a band is expensive, no? You have to pay to press records, to buy gas, to get equipment, etc etc. I understand what you're saying, but money is of some sort of importance.
exactly, not to mention eat and buy clothing. :shrug:

[Wez1212Yes]

Yeah if no one bought a band's albums or merch, they wouldn't be able to survive as a band. Being in a band is expensive, no? You have to pay to press records, to buy gas, to get equipment, etc etc. I understand what you're saying, but money is of some sort of importance.

Lot's of bands survive and Paramore could probably survive if they packed up now to be honest.

[Wez1212Yes]

exactly, not to mention eat and buy clothing. :shrug:

Paramore seriously don't need the money though.

[checkered.stars]

haha no worries, i was too. you hit the nail on the head though. :highfive: people our age really don't regard it as a business though, it's quite annoying.
I mean yeah, I understand that music is more than a job, but like every other occupation, the bills need to be paid somehow haha.
exactly, not to mention eat and buy clothing. :shrug:
Mhmm.
Lot's of bands survive and Paramore could probably survive if they packed up now to be honest.
That's true.

[handlikesecret]

Lot's of bands survive and Paramore could probably survive if they packed up now to be honest.
only if they found another job. because that's what they're doing now: surviving through means of doing a specific task as a part of the routine of one's occupation for a price.

[DaveZeroZero]

exactly, not to mention eat and buy clothing. :shrug:
Hayley doesn't need clothing.

[wewascontenders]

I'm confused as to how putting out a DVD makes one fall into a trend.

[cryates]

Don't fans typically enjoy it when bands release a DVD?

I will say though, Underoath are a little ridiculous on the DVD releases.

[handlikesecret]

I'm confused as to how putting out a DVD makes one fall into a trend.
because EVERYONE releases DVDs OBVIOUSLY. blue-ray is where it's at apparently.

[Wez1212Yes]

only if they found another job. because that's what they're doing now: surviving through means of doing a specific task as a part of the routine of one's occupation for a price.

No i'm pretty sure they've got plenty you knowa million dollars each at least is plenty to survive on.

[Wez1212Yes]

I'm confused as to how putting out a DVD makes one fall into a trend.

'Cos every fucking band has a dvd out it's fucking stupid.

[Wez1212Yes]

Don't fans typically enjoy it when bands release a DVD?

I will say though, Underoath are a little ridiculous on the DVD releases.

True Underoath are a bit over the top but they're better than Paramore and have more albums and more tracks to swap and change the setlist.

[DaveZeroZero]

'Cos every fucking band has a dvd out it's fucking stupid.
my band hasn't.

HA, defeated.

[mybreakingpoint]

The answer is "yes" because Paramore are terrible. :-)

[Wez1212Yes]

The answer is "yes" because Paramore are terrible. :-)

I'm not saying they're terrible just money grabbers.

[alltimecam]

I was a fan until I heard they were bringing out a dvd.
thats incredibly stupid you are supposed to be a fan of the MUSIC and them putting out a dvd should not change the fact that you enjoy their cds
also if you are a fan why would you not enjoy having the ability to watch paramore live whenever you felt the urge

[Wez1212Yes]

thats incredibly stupid you are supposed to be a fan of the MUSIC and them putting out a dvd should not change the fact that you enjoy their cds
also if you are a fan why would you not enjoy having the ability to watch paramore live whenever you felt the urge

I'ma fan but unlike most people aroundhere can admit Paramore are boring live and that Hayley's voice is weak live.

[alltimecam]

I'ma fan but unlike most people aroundhere can admit Paramore are boring live and that Hayley's voice is weak live.
then dont buy the dvd....nobody is making you watch it
i dont understand, you didnt support what you said about not being a fan because they put out the dvd

[Wez1212Yes]

then dont buy the dvd....nobody is making you watch it
i dont understand, you didnt support what you said about not being a fan because they put out the dvd

No I over exaggerate haha i'm still a fan but they dissappoint me more and more these days Riot was too poppy,then they don't seem to put the same effort into performing and seem bored when talking to fans and now they release a dvd when I personally think that after only 2 albums it's too early in a career to be doing as such.

[murrich]

I'ma fan but unlike most people aroundhere can admit Paramore are boring live and that Hayley's voice is weak live.

The same applies for their albums.

[Wez1212Yes]

The same applies for their albums.

Na their albums aren't boring AWKIF is a melodic masterpiece and Riot is a bit weak but the problem is it's too fun so it gets boring after a while.

[larsthedrummer]

I am no fan of Paramore but I don't see what's wrong with putting out a DVD after two albums.

Putting out a Greatest Hits CD after two albums though is sheer douchebaggery (ahem, Coldplay).

[KatieKutthroat.]

Na their albums aren't boring AWKIF is a melodic masterpiece and Riot is a bit weak but the problem is it's too fun so it gets boring after a while.

lol. Masterpiece. Yeah.

[Getup and Dance]

I am no fan of Paramore but I don't see what's wrong with putting out a DVD after two albums.

Putting out a Greatest Hits CD after two albums though is sheer douchebaggery (ahem, Coldplay).

Coldplay has had 4 albums though.

[weeberteeoatser]

There is no logic in this. What does it matter how many albums a band has put out before releasing a DVD? If a band had no albums and only released live DVDs, would you not check them out based on that? Live music is better, always.

[handlikesecret]

No i'm pretty sure they've got plenty you knowa million dollars each at least is plenty to survive on.
that's irrelevant, you've failed to address the fact that it IS a job. don't jump around like that.

[Wez1212Yes]

that's irrelevant, you've failed to address the fact that it IS a job. don't jump around like that.

It's only a job to cunts like you or Paramore clearly 'cos to me it is a form of expression an art but most definitely not a way to earn money.

[chipdip18]

It's only a job to cunts like you or Paramore clearly 'cos to me it is a form of expression an art but most definitely not a way to earn money.


Doesn't mean you can't make money with your art.

[versus_god]

How much art can you take?

[chipdip18]

Also a good point. Sometimes, you just want music to entertain you.

[Wez1212Yes]

I am no fan of Paramore but I don't see what's wrong with putting out a DVD after two albums.

Putting out a Greatest Hits CD after two albums though is sheer douchebaggery (ahem, Coldplay).

True but I think all live dvd's should be ones that come with a greatest hits cd thus proving you've earned the right to release a live dvd.

[fadedmemories]

I am a fan but still think it's money grabbing on their current success.
nope

[versus_god]

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/1167/pict0156snj7.jpg

[Wez1212Yes]

There is no logic in this. What does it matter how many albums a band has put out before releasing a DVD? If a band had no albums and only released live DVDs, would you not check them out based on that? Live music is better, always.

No I wouldn't check them out 'cos obviously they'd be retards.Live music is only better if you're there and Paramore are poor live Hayley's voice sucks and they do the exact same thing on stage every night like a rehearsed routine and Tom Gabel has said the exact same thing so i'm not being an idiot.

[Wez1212Yes]

nope

Yes it clearly is if Paramore were not a mainstream band they wouldn't be releasing a live dvd at this stage of their careers.

[chipdip18]

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/1167/pict0156snj7.jpg

Who is Danny Callahan?

[versus_god]

http://homepages.nyu.edu/%7Ecch223/images/New/ssd_back1.jpg

[Jumpoff]

Fucking bands releasing DVD's! WHEN WILL THE MADNESS END?!?!?!

[Wez1212Yes]

Also a good point. Sometimes, you just want music to entertain you.

True but Paramore haven't worked hard enough yet to be able to put a good live dvd they play a 14song setlist for fuck's sake and I always want music to entertain me and Paramore used to but Riot was 1 of the worst album's i've ever heard even alongside shit like Westlife and Spice Girls.

[chipdip18]

I do not know.

[Wez1212Yes]

Fucking bands releasing DVD's! WHEN WILL THE MADNESS END?!?!?!

I actually agree even though you were been sarcastic.

[chipdip18]

True but Paramore haven't worked hard enough yet to be able to put a good live dvd they play a 14song setlist for fuck's sake and I always want music to entertain me and Paramore used to but Riot was 1 of the worst album's i've ever heard even alongside shit like Westlife and Spice Girls.

I saw Paramore live after the release of All We Know Is Falling and it was pretty good. They should have taped that show. They even played songs from whatever Ep they had before they were signed.

[Jumpoff]

True but Paramore haven't worked hard enough yet to be able to put a good live dvd they play a 14song setlist for fuck's sake and I always want music to entertain me and Paramore used to but Riot was 1 of the worst album's i've ever heard even alongside shit like Westlife and Spice Girls.

If you liked their old stuff then it makes no sense to hate Riot since it just did the same exact thing and made it better.

I am not a Paramore fan, but aside from that, listening to Tom Gabel's opinion - your first mistep. Second, Gabel only released two full lengths before his DVD and I heard it was a pretty damn good dvd.

On another note, maybe they just wanted to release a dvd. MAYBE it wasn't about the money. Who gives a shit.

[Wez1212Yes]

If you liked their old stuff then it makes no sense to hate Riot since it just did the same exact thing and made it better.

I am not a Paramore fan, but aside from that, listening to Tom Gabel's opinion - your first mistep. Second, Gabel only released two full lengths before his DVD and I heard it was a pretty damn good dvd.

On another note, maybe they just wanted to release a dvd. MAYBE it wasn't about the money. Who gives a shit.

No AWKIF is melodic rock Riot is pop and I didn't listen to Tom GabelI don't even like Against Me i'm just saying he agrees that they're generic and boring live.

[versus_god]

Tom "The Table" Gabel's DVD was good but it's hard to watch now, you know?

[Wez1212Yes]

I saw Paramore live after the release of All We Know Is Falling and it was pretty good. They should have taped that show. They even played songs from whatever Ep they had before they were signed.

They had an EP after they were signed but not before it was between the 2 albums.

[Jumpoff]

No AWKIF is melodic rock Riot is pop and I didn't listen to Tom GabelI don't even like Against Me i'm just saying he agrees that they're generic and boring live.

All of their albums have been pop rock. I'm sorry but honestly if you are actually being serious with this thread and you aren't just a troll... I don't know what to say to you.

And aside from that. Against Me! is currently generic and boring live. Not someone to complain about other bands.

Tom "The Table" Gabel's DVD was good but it's hard to watch now, you know?

I feel a bit of sadness everytime I hear Reinventing now.

[Wez1212Yes]

All of their albums have been pop rock. I'm sorry but honestly if you are actually being serious with this thread and you aren't just a troll... I don't know what to say to you.

And aside from that. Against Me! is currently generic and boring live. Not someone to complain about other bands.



I feel a bit of sadness everytime I hear Reinventing now.

No both albums aren't pop-rock AWKIF sounds like a female fronted JEW and Riot sounds like an even worse version of Ashlee Simpson.

[Jumpoff]

No both albums aren't pop-rock AWKIF sounds like a female fronted JEW and Riot sounds like an even worse version of Ashlee Simpson.

:-d

[fadedmemories]

Yes it clearly is if Paramore were not a mainstream band they wouldn't be releasing a live dvd at this stage of their careers.
sure they are a mainstream band, but if their label(FBR) is really backing them up, they'd still probably release a live dvd



And aside from that. Against Me! is currently generic and boring live. Not someone to complain about other bands.

yup

[versus_god]

The last DVD I bought contained some hot Ergs! action. Go figure.

[Wez1212Yes]

:-d

Yes but it's true Conspiracy,My Heart,All We Know are class crushcrushcrush,TWYG and We Are Broken are terrible although I do like Born For This,LTFB,For A Pessimist and Hallelujah.

[Wez1212Yes]

sure they are a mainstream band, but if their label(FBR) is really backing them up, they'd still probably release a live dvd

Yeah but FBR only signs bands who will make it have 2 or 3max big selling albums and then dissappear.

[Jumpoff]

The last DVD I bought contained some hot Ergs! action. Go figure.

I still have yet to get enough room to download that which you sent me. If only those were smaller files... I'm missing out on hot erg action.

[fadedmemories]

Yeah but FBR only signs bands who will make it have 2 or 3max big selling albums and then dissappear.

heard about the hush sound?
how about october fall?

[Wez1212Yes]

heard about the hush sound?
how

Yep better than Paramore no dvd and will make it big have 2 big albums and dissappear.

[Jumpoff]

Yeah but FBR only signs bands who will make it have 2 or 3max big selling albums and then dissappear.

Lifetime.
Frodus.
Impossibles.

[Wez1212Yes]

heard about the hush sound?
how about october fall?

October Fall are appalling and didn'tHayley Williams make 1 of their songs even worse.

[versus_god]

I still have yet to get enough room to download that which you sent me. If only those were smaller files... I'm missing out on hot erg action.
Lame. Totally. Get an external hard drive?

The DVD I bought has their set from Insubordination Fest on it. It rules. The video I sent you is basically an amateur shot bootleg, which is enjoyable, but you're not missing too much hot Ergtion. haha.

[fadedmemories]

October Fall are appalling and didn'tHayley Williams make 1 of their songs even worse.
I thought we were talking about FBR bands making millions of money?

[Jumpoff]

Ergtion should be in the dictionary, you know? :-p

[Wez1212Yes]

I thought we were talking about FBR bands making millions of money?

We are and how October Fall haven't made it bigI don't know same generic sound as all other FBR bands albeit Paramore were originally a little different and are now just as bad sadly.

[fadedmemories]

We are and how October Fall haven't made it bigI don't know same generic sound as all other FBR bands albeit Paramore were originally a little different and are now just as bad sadly.
because not all bands signed by FBR has a marketable sound

[summer skin]

Why are we bothering to talk to someone who likes as I lay dying?

[fadedmemories]

Why are we bothering to talk to someone who likes as I lay dying?
you're right :-d

[Wez1212Yes]

because not all bands signed by FBR has a marketable sound

Yes they do and October Fall are 1 of the most marketable but it just hasn't worked out.

[Wez1212Yes]

Why are we bothering to talk to someone who likes as I lay dying?

Let's see 'cos As I Lay Dying are too talented for you all I mean unless you're all scared of the screaming I don't know how someone can actually honestly say As I Lay Dying are better than Paramore at least they don't sound like every other band out there.Funnily enough it was Paramore name dropping As I Lay Dying that actually got me to check 'em out so perhaps I have something to be grateful for.

[kitti_katt420]

wow. there is no love on ap.net tonight.

[weeberteeoatser]

No I wouldn't check them out 'cos obviously they'd be retards.Live music is only better if you're there and Paramore are poor live Hayley's voice sucks and they do the exact same thing on stage every night like a rehearsed routine and Tom Gabel has said the exact same thing so i'm not being an idiot.
Retards? For releasing a DVD of live music? It's not only better when you're there, why do you think audio of live shows are so sought after if no one would listen to it? Maybe Paramore sucks live, but you wouldn't know that unless you checked it out, and I was speaking in general terms anyway. If I had to choose between having live sets or actual albums for about 90% of the artists that I listen to, I would almost always choose the live sets.

[underthetalking]

I am a fan but still think it's money grabbing on their current success.

You're upset because they're cashing in on their success?

WHAT?!

[DaveZeroZero]

I still demand n00dz of hayley.

[Wez1212Yes]

Retards? For releasing a DVD of live music? It's not only better when you're there, why do you think audio of live shows are so sought after if no one would listen to it? Maybe Paramore sucks live, but you wouldn't know that unless you checked it out, and I was speaking in general terms anyway. If I had to choose between having live sets or actual albums for about 90% of the artists that I listen to, I would almost always choose the live sets.

I have seen Paramore live 3 times as i'd already stated so I have checked them out and know they suck and live footage isn't sought after anyway especially not with bands like Paramore who play all of Riot and 4 songs off AWKIF ie the most generic setlist possible.I unless it was The Clash or Led Zep would never choose live sets to listen to as I said it's only good if you're there.

[Wez1212Yes]

You're upset because they're cashing in on their success?

WHAT?!

Yes they're in it for the money rather than actually pushing any boundaries they become more and more generic and boring and don't care about anybody or anything other than their bank balances.

[DaveZeroZero]

jesus, noobs, get some avatars already!

[underthetalking]

Yes they're in it for the money rather than actually pushing any boundaries they become more and more generic and boring and don't care about anybody or anything other than their bank balances.

Were they ever pushing any boundries to begin with? I mean, they were pretty damn generic from the start.

And damn you for making me defend a band as crappy as Paramore. When you get to a certain level in the music industry, you have to worry about costs. Being in a touring band is one of the most time consuming and expensive things you can do. Its morons like you that want the music industry to be this fairytale land where all the artists can give everything away for free "for the love of the art". Just because you make a profit off of something does not mean you care about it or love it any less. Nor does it lower the quality. Beethoven was paid for his 9th. Da Vinci was paid for the Mona Lisa. Does that make them money grubbing assholes who didn't care for the art? If an artist wants to give something away for free, power to them, but don't criticize them for making money out of it because you're just being a horse's ass.

And if you think putting out a DVD is a quick and easy method to making money, then you're dumber than I thought.

[Wez1212Yes]

Were they ever pushing any boundries to begin with? I mean, they were pretty damn generic from the start.

And damn you for making me defend a band as crappy as Paramore. When you get to a certain level in the music industry, you have to worry about costs. Being in a touring band is one of the most time consuming and expensive things you can do. Its morons like you that want the music industry to be this fairytale land where all the artists can give everything away for free "for the love of the art". Just because you make a profit off of something does not mean you care about it or love it any less. Nor does it lower the quality. Beethoven was paid for his 9th. Da Vinci was paid for the Mona Lisa. Does that make them money grubbing assholes who didn't care for the art? If an artist wants to give something away for free, power to them, but don't criticize them for making money out of it because you're just being a horse's ass.

And if you think putting out a DVD is a quick and easy method to making money, then you're dumber than I thought.

In Paramore's case it's quick and easy they've said themselves it's just a live dvd 'cos they want to bring another out in a couple of years with documentary and meet and greet footage etc.

[Wez1212Yes]

I still demand n00dz of hayley.

Seriously we don't want any.

[DaveZeroZero]

Seriously we don't want any.
Well, they'd be better than being forced to listen to her sing.

[checkered.stars]

Her voice is actually pretty decent.

[handlikesecret]

It's only a job to cunts like you or Paramore clearly 'cos to me it is a form of expression an art but most definitely not a way to earn money.
even if they did intend it for a form of expression when they signed with FBR, which they didn't, it's certainly become a way to earn money. so guess what that makes it, big boy...

and tsk tsk, such language.

[Wez1212Yes]

Well, they'd be better than being forced to listen to her sing.

No it would ruin the mystery.

[Wez1212Yes]

even if they did intend it for a form of expression when they signed with FBR, which they didn't, it's certainly become a way to earn money. so guess what that makes it, big boy...

and tsk tsk, such language.

They did they said they wanted to be as open as possible and let out all oftheir emotions through their music and didn't care about making money along the way.

[Wez1212Yes]

Her voice is actually pretty decent.

No it's not.

[DaveZeroZero]

Her voice is actually pretty decent.
pfft, n00dz over voice any day.

the PL forum has spoken.

[DaveZeroZero]

They did they said they wanted to be as open as possible and let out all oftheir emotions through their music and didn't care about making money along the way.

yeah, yeah - that's what they all say...

[checkered.stars]

No it's not.
Yes it is. Just because you dislike her band doesn't mean that she doesn't have a decent singing voice.
pfft, n00dz over voice any day.

the PL forum has spoken.
Jesus christ, shut up with the noodz already.

[handlikesecret]

They did they said they wanted to be as open as possible and let out all oftheir emotions through their music and didn't care about making money along the way.
[insert citation here]...oh wait.

[chaosB4storm]

Yes they're in it for the money rather than actually pushing any boundaries they become more and more generic and boring and don't care about anybody or anything other than their bank balances.

Shouldn't you be mad about the generic and boring music instead of their bank balances?

If they continue to make good music (in your opinion), why should you care?

[underthetalking]

There is no way someone can be this fucking naive. For the love of god, read a fucking book before voicing your stupid assumptions.

[DaveZeroZero]

No it would ruin the mystery.
mystery is overrated.

Yes it is. Just because you dislike her band doesn't mean that she doesn't have a decent singing voice.

Jesus christ, shut up with the noodz already.
yeah, even I'm beginning to tire a little of me saying it.

holy shit, am I growing up?

[Wez1212Yes]

Yes it is. Just because you dislike her band doesn't mean that she doesn't have a decent singing voice.

Jesus christ, shut up with the noodz already.

I don't dislike her band but her voice is the weak link.

[handlikesecret]

Her voice is actually pretty decent.
it's very decent. i don't understand why people don't want to admit that she has a good voice.

[Wez1212Yes]

Shouldn't you be mad about the generic and boring music instead of their bank balances?

If they continue to make good music (in your opinion), why should you care?

No it's them becoming boring that's making their bank balances larger 'cos people love genericism.

[Wez1212Yes]

There is no way someone can be this fucking naive. For the love of god, read a fucking book before voicing your stupid assumptions.

They aren't assumptions they're facts she's a weak singer at best.

[Wez1212Yes]

it's very decent. i don't understand why people don't want to admit that she has a good voice.

I'd admit it if she did.

[chaosB4storm]

No it's them becoming boring that's making their bank balances larger 'cos people love genericism.

So putting out a DVD = becoming boring and generic?

[checkered.stars]

mystery is overrated.


yeah, even I'm beginning to tire a little of me saying it.

holy shit, am I growing up?
Please do.
I don't dislike her band but her voice is the weak link.
Whatever, it's your opinion. Different strokes for different folks.
it's very decent. i don't understand why people don't want to admit that she has a good voice.
Probably because she's in a scene band and is automatically categorized as 'shitty'. Meh

[handlikesecret]

I'd admit it if she did.
uh-huh...

[handlikesecret]

Probably because she's in a scene band and is automatically categorized as 'shitty'. Meh
that's exactly why. it's quite a fallacy.


and Wez, i'm still waiting for that citation.

[Fin.]

Music is a business, and a dying business at this point. Bands are run by managers and money grubbing labels. That's just how it is. Every band is in it for the money to some degree. They have to make a living just like the rest of us. Should I not accept a promotion, bonus, or raise at work if I'm just in it for the money? Why should it be any different for bands?
You're in denial if you don't think you would do the same thing if you were in Paramore. Plus, it's a freaking DVD, it's not like they signed on to be in Pepsi commercials or to have a clothing line inspired by them sold at Kohls clothing stores (Red Jumpsuit Apparatus, Avril Lavigne).

[MusicBox24]

And damn you for making me defend a band as crappy as Paramore. When you get to a certain level in the music industry, you have to worry about costs. Being in a touring band is one of the most time consuming and expensive things you can do. Its morons like you that want the music industry to be this fairytale land where all the artists can give everything away for free "for the love of the art". Just because you make a profit off of something does not mean you care about it or love it any less. Nor does it lower the quality. Beethoven was paid for his 9th. Da Vinci was paid for the Mona Lisa. Does that make them money grubbing assholes who didn't care for the art? If an artist wants to give something away for free, power to them, but don't criticize them for making money out of it because you're just being a horse's ass.

And if you think putting out a DVD is a quick and easy method to making money, then you're dumber than I thought.

I laughed. And you're right.

AND you have a sweet avatar.

[underthetalking]

I laughed. And you're right.

AND you have a sweet avatar.

lol. I'm glad at least one person got it.

And that album is fucking awesome.

[handlikesecret]

lol. I'm glad at least one person got it.

And that album is fucking awesome.
lol i got it and chuckled to myself. i really like Paramore though. :shrug:

[weeberteeoatser]

Music is a business, and a dying business at this point. Bands are run by managers and money grubbing labels. That's just how it is. Every band is in it for the money to some degree. They have to make a living just like the rest of us. Should I not accept a promotion, bonus, or raise at work if I'm just in it for the money? Why should it be any different for bands?
You're in denial if you don't think you would do the same thing if you were in Paramore. Plus, it's a freaking DVD, it's not like they signed on to be in Pepsi commercials or to have a clothing line inspired by them sold at Kohls clothing stores (Red Jumpsuit Apparatus, Avril Lavigne).
Saying every band is in it for the money is ridiculous.

[handlikesecret]

Saying every band is in it for the money is ridiculous.
he meant every band who gets where Paramore is. obviously the four guys who get together twice a week to jam aren't in it for the money.

[Fin.]

Saying every band is in it for the money is ridiculous.

I said to some degree. Whether they like it or not, it's their job. We all have to have jobs to make money. I didn't say it's every bands sole purpose, but unless you're born into a rich family or something you need to make money. Bands are no different. They may love what they do and strive to be creative and artistic, but they still have to make money to live. They have to have money to fill the gas tank to get to the next show. So even if money isn't the most important thing to a band, it's still important. It's impossible for it not to be.

[Fin.]

he meant every band who gets where Paramore is. obviously the four guys who get together twice a week to jam aren't in it for the money.

Exactly. I'm talking about touring bands.

Edit: Sorry for the double post. I didn't see the post I quoted until after my last post.

[weeberteeoatser]

he meant every band who gets where Paramore is. obviously the four guys who get together twice a week to jam aren't in it for the money.
Still ridiculous. If the majority of the bands you're listening to are in it for the money and it is apparent that they aren't in it for the music, you should start finding bands with better purpose.

[Fin.]

Still ridiculous. If the majority of the bands you're listening to are in it for the money and it is apparent that they aren't in it for the music, you should start finding bands with better purpose.

I think you're missing my point. It's possible for a band to be in it for the music and still need money. I think that applies to most bands. Can you tell me one band that has never needed money and never will need money? Unless they snap their fingers and magically appear at their next show, or have some genie who makes food magically appear on their table, money is important. Show me a band that doesn't charge anything for their shows and gives away all of their merch for free. Cause that's the only kind of band that money isn't important to in any way. We all need money to survive. That's just life. Bands are not excluded from this.

[weeberteeoatser]

I think you're missing my point. It's possible for a band to be in it for the music and still need money. I think that applies to most bands. Can you tell me one band that has never needed money and never will need money? Unless they snap their fingers and magically appear at their next show, or have some genie who makes food magically appear on their table, money is important. Show me a band that doesn't charge anything for their shows and gives away all of their merch for free. Cause that's the only kind of band that money isn't important to in any way. We all need money to survive. That's just life. Bands are not excluded from this.
There's a point where certain bands stop writing songs because they come to them, or because they have something they want to say, and some tend to start writing songs because they need to put out a new album to make money. This is what I see "being in it for the money" as being.

[handlikesecret]

Still ridiculous. If the majority of the bands you're listening to are in it for the money and it is apparent that they aren't in it for the music, you should start finding bands with better purpose.
here's a thought: maybe they're in it for both.

how much more respectable does it get than this, someone writes music for a hobby. soon he realizes that he's pretty good at it, and loves doing it. what's wrong with him saying, "wow, i really love doing this and i would love to pursue it as a career." it's like that with most careers, if you're good at something and enjoy doing it, you'd want to make money while doing it. it only makes sense.

[Fin.]

There's a point where certain bands stop writing songs because they come to them, or because they have something they want to say, and some tend to start writing songs because they need to put out a new album to make money. This is what I see "being in it for the money" as being.

I agree with you. When I said "in it for the money to some degree", all I was implying was that bands need money to live just like everyone else. I wasn't meaning that all bands write songs with cash signs in their eyes. I probably should've phrased it differently.

[chaosB4storm]

I don't understand why it matters to anyone what the band is in it for. Do you like their music...?

[weeberteeoatser]

here's a thought: maybe they're in it for both.

how much more respectable does it get than this, someone writes music for a hobby. soon he realizes that he's pretty good at it, and loves doing it. what's wrong with him saying, "wow, i really love doing this and i would love to pursue it as a career." it's like that with most careers, if you're good at something and enjoy doing it, you'd want to make money while doing it. it only makes sense.
The difference being whether or not that's their purpose, and what they want out of it. If you think it doesn't affect the music, you're crazy Jon.

[cryates]

Let's see 'cos As I Lay Dying are too talented for you all I mean unless you're all scared of the screaming I don't know how someone can actually honestly say As I Lay Dying are better than Paramore at least they don't sound like every other band out there.Funnily enough it was Paramore name dropping As I Lay Dying that actually got me to check 'em out so perhaps I have something to be grateful for.
bahahahahahhaah. sorry but that was fucking hilarious.

sure, they only sound like every other 'scary' shitty metalcore band out there.

[weeberteeoatser]

I don't understand why it matters to anyone what the band is in it for. Do you like their music...?
If the band is in it for the money, my answer will be no 99% of the time.

[chaosB4storm]

If the band is in it for the money, my answer will be no 99% of the time.

First of all, you probably just decide that a band is in it for the money because you don't like their new music.

Secondly, even if this were true, still why would you judge how much you like them by what they're in it for?

You should be saying something like this instead: "Oh no! Paramore is putting out a DVD! It seems like they are in it for the money. I hope this doesn't affect how much I like their new material, because if it doesn't I don't care what they're in it for. This is because the reason I started liking them was because I enjoyed their music, not because I enjoyed what they were in it for. I will remain unbiased on the matter until I ehar new music from them!!!!"

[allhourcymbals]

First of all, you probably just decide that a band is in it for the money because you don't like their new music.

Secondly, even if this were true, still why would you judge how much you like them by what they're in it for?

You should be saying something like this instead: "Oh no! Paramore is putting out a DVD! It seems like they are in it for the money. I hope this doesn't affect how much I like their new material, because if it doesn't I don't care what they're in it for. This is because the reason I started liking them was because I enjoyed their music, not because I enjoyed what they were in it for. I will remain unbiased on the matter until I ehar new music from them!!!!"
First of all, you're an idiot.

Second of all, I don't. I never said that.

I shouldn't be saying anyway. How would I know what Paramore is in the music for if I don't know the first thing about them? I don't enjoy any of their material. I still don't see how the fuck putting out a DVD automatically means they're doing it just for the money.

[chaosB4storm]

First of all, you're an idiot.

Second of all, I don't. I never said that.

I shouldn't be saying anyway. How would I know what Paramore is in the music for if I don't know the first thing about them? I don't enjoy any of their material. I still don't see how the fuck putting out a DVD automatically means they're doing it just for the money.

I agree with everything you said except for me being an idiot.

Do you have two accounts, or did you think that when I quoted someone else that I was talking to you?

[chaosB4storm]

You missed it entirely. What I meant was that anyone who is under the belief that they are in it for the money shouldn't quit liking them because of it, or assume their music will be bad. They should stop liking Paramore when they stop liking their music.

[allhourcymbals]

The latter. And,

First of all, you probably just decide that a band is in it for the money because you don't like their new music.

This doesn't make sense in the least bit. It's not up to me to decide whether a band is in it for the money or not, and unlike you, I don't assume such things without knowing the facts first.

[allhourcymbals]

You missed it entirely. What I meant was that anyone who is under the belief that they are in it for the money shouldn't quit liking them because of it, or assume their music will be bad. They should stop liking Paramore when they stop liking their music.
I'm saying assume anything, I'm saying it's apparent through the music if they're not in it for the same reasons they were when they started out most of the time. I like my music with a little more soul, and depth than.. bands like Paramore.

[chaosB4storm]

The latter. And,



This doesn't make sense in the least bit. It's not up to me to decide whether a band is in it for the money or not, and unlike you, I don't assume such things without knowing the facts first.

You're crazy. It was directed at anyone who doesn't like Paramore for putting out a DVD under the assumption that they are in it for the money. I assumed nothing. Read the whole conversation or something, you're not getting it.

[mellzie14]

Na their albums aren't boring AWKIF is a melodic masterpiece and Riot is a bit weak but the problem is it's too fun so it gets boring after a while.

This is one of the stupidest arguments I have ever heard. They have to make a living touring and everything. There is also a HUGE demand in their fan base for a DVD. So they are taking the opportunity to make money off of something their fans will like. Their music hasn't changed, so why would you not be a fan for them putting out a DVD of the same music that is on their CDs? If they were putting out Hayley inspired tampons, I'd say it was a problem and they were in it for the money. But they are doing something their fans WANT and will enjoy.

[chaosB4storm]

I'm saying assume anything, I'm saying it's apparent through the music if they're not in it for the same reasons they were when they started out most of the time. I like my music with a little more soul, and depth than.. bands like Paramore.

Vernon Wells isn't playing baseball for the same reason as he was when he started either. Oh dear god, this is terrible.

And music that lacks soul and depth does not neccessarily equal music created by a band that is in it for the money. Maybe Paramore does not have the ability for depth? Maybe they aren't DEEP enough?

[handlikesecret]

The difference being whether or not that's their purpose, and what they want out of it. If you think it doesn't affect the music, you're crazy Jon.
granted, there are bands out there whose sole purpose is to make a quick buck, and don't give a crap about the quality of their music. it's hard to tell this though, because you don't know where the musician's heart is.

yes, if the band is just in it for the money, sure, it affects the music. but this isn't always the case. and even if they are just in it for the money, we can't really judge them in the first place, that's their problem, something they'll have to live with. you don't have to like them.

[allhourcymbals]

You're crazy. It was directed at anyone who doesn't like Paramore for putting out a DVD under the assumption that they are in it for the money. I assumed nothing. Read the whole conversation or something, you're not getting it.
Okay, then explain this: "You should be saying something like this instead: "Oh no! Paramore is putting out a DVD! It seems like they are in it for the money"

If it was directed at anyone that doesn't like paramore for blah blah blah whatever reason you said, then maybe you shouldn't have said "You probably"... or do you not see how that can be misinterpreted?

[chaosB4storm]

This is one of the stupidest arguments I have ever heard. They have to make a living touring and everything. There is also a HUGE demand in their fan base for a DVD. So they are taking the opportunity to make money off of something their fans will like. Their music hasn't changed, so why would you not be a fan for them putting out a DVD of the same music that is on their CDs? If they were putting out Hayley inspired tampons, I'd say it was a problem and they were in it for the money. But they are doing something their fans WANT and will enjoy.

It's sad when something this blatantly obvious has to be argued about.

[allhourcymbals]

granted, there are bands out there whose sole purpose is to make a quick buck, and don't give a crap about the quality of their music. it's hard to tell this though, because you don't know where the musician's heart is.

yes, if the band is just in it for the money, sure, it affects the music. but this isn't always the case. and even if they are just in it for the money, we can't really judge them in the first place, that's their problem, something they'll have to live with. you don't have to like them.

See, this is all I'm saying. That for me, maybe not for you, for the most part it's easy to tell through the music which albums/songs/bands are for the music are to be radio friendly and MTV friendly and to make a quick buck and etc.

[handlikesecret]

See, this is all I'm saying. That for me, maybe not for you, for the most part it's easy to tell through the music which albums/songs/bands are for the music are to be radio friendly and MTV friendly and to make a quick buck and etc.
in some cases, it can be obvious. but you can't always tell, and we can be wrong about it. i'm gonna be honest, i would love to play pop-punk or power pop music for a living. not because it's easier to write and because it's a popular genre which will get me fans, but because i love the genre and would love to make money doing something i love. so for me, i guess i'm just less judgmental about it. or maybe i'm just naive about it.

[chaosB4storm]

See, this is all I'm saying. That for me, maybe not for you, for the most part it's easy to tell through the music which albums/songs/bands are for the music are to be radio friendly and MTV friendly and to make a quick buck and etc.

Well, I agree.

I do think there is a very fine line between a band purposely making radio friendly songs, or a band actually only having shallow people that enjoy making those songs.

[chaosB4storm]

I still think it is the wrong philosophy to judge music on though. You should be thinking in terms of "Is this deep enough for me", instead of "is this band in it for the money".

[allhourcymbals]

Well, I agree.

I do think there is a very fine line between a band purposely making radio friendly songs, or a band actually only having shallow people that enjoy making those songs.
Either way, for the most part I'm not going to like it/listen to it. And just because it's a "shallow person" writing the songs, doesn't mean it won't have soul or passion or that they're terrible musicians. It is a thin line, but it makes a huge difference, to me at least.

[allhourcymbals]

I still think it is the wrong philosophy to judge music on though. You should be thinking in terms of "Is this deep enough for me", instead of "is this band in it for the money".
Before I'm told I'm taking this the wrong way again, are you speaking specifically to me or generally? Because if it's to me, you're completely missing what I'm saying.

[El_Jeffe]

i don't listen to these guys, but i never realized releasing a dvd was cashing in haha. i love when my favourite bands release dvds. if you're a fan, be grateful? either that or heaps of my favourite bands & artists are "sell outs" haha


also, this argument about whether it matters if a band is it purely for money or not. it depends on how you view music. if you use music as a cheap commodity of temporary entertainment, it's probably not going to bother you a great deal. but if you view music as an art, it may appear somewhat empty or lifeless knowing the particular band you're listening to is just writing whatever the radio is most likely to play, or subscribing to whatever the current trend is. i'm not saying paramore are guilty of this, i know nothing of them, don't listen to them, etc. but to some people the concept of ethics matters

[DaveZeroZero]

I feel that this debate has become too heated.

In order to quell all of your pseudo-essays, I shall say this:

tl;dr.

[chaosB4storm]

Either way, for the most part I'm not going to like it/listen to it. And just because it's a "shallow person" writing the songs, doesn't mean it won't have soul or passion or that they're terrible musicians. It is a thin line, but it makes a huge difference, to me at least.

The difference between you and me is that I think Three Days Grace actually believes they're coming up with some pretty great stuff.

[allhourcymbals]

i don't listen to these guys, but i never realized releasing a dvd was cashing in haha. i love when my favourite bands release dvds. if you're a fan, be grateful? either that or heaps of my favourite bands & artists are "sell outs" haha


also, this argument about whether it matters if a band is it purely for money or not. it depends on how you view music. if you use music as a cheap commodity of temporary entertainment, it's probably not going to bother you a great deal. but if you view music as an art, it may appear somewhat empty or lifeless knowing the particular band you're listening to is just writing whatever the radio is most likely to play, or subscribing to whatever the current trend is. i'm not saying paramore are guilty of this, i know nothing of them, don't listen to them, etc. but to some people the concept of ethics matters

This. I'm not "judging" a band based on whether or not they're in it for the money. If it's apparent, which it usually is, then it's not going be to appeal to me because there's no other meaning behind it.

[checkered.stars]

i don't listen to these guys, but i never realized releasing a dvd was cashing in haha. i love when my favourite bands release dvds. if you're a fan, be grateful? either that or heaps of my favourite bands & artists are "sell outs" haha


also, this argument about whether it matters if a band is it purely for money or not. it depends on how you view music. if you use music as a cheap commodity of temporary entertainment, it's probably not going to bother you a great deal. but if you view music as an art, it may appear somewhat empty or lifeless knowing the particular band you're listening to is just writing whatever the radio is most likely to play, or subscribing to whatever the current trend is. i'm not saying paramore are guilty of this, i know nothing of them, don't listen to them, etc. but to some people the concept of ethics matters
Well said. You deserve a speedo cop.

[handlikesecret]

I still think it is the wrong philosophy to judge music on though. You should be thinking in terms of "Is this deep enough for me", instead of "is this band in it for the money".
agreed for the most part. i think sometimes a band can be kind of guilty by association with their record label or genre though. read Jason Tate's review of Cartel debut album, he makes a really good point in his last paragraph about this stuff.

[allhourcymbals]

The difference between you and me is that I think Three Days Grace actually believes they're coming up with some pretty great stuff.
I really hope you're joking by assuming I think that.

[chaosB4storm]

Before I'm told I'm taking this the wrong way again, are you speaking specifically to me or generally? Because if it's to me, you're completely missing what I'm saying.

You think you can tell whether or not a band is in it for the money, and I don't.

I understand that you make a distinction between being in it for the money, and having bad music, so I think we agree.

Personally, I just don't really care what a band is in it for, it's not something I think about because it involves reading minds in my opinion.

[handlikesecret]

i don't listen to these guys, but i never realized releasing a dvd was cashing in haha. i love when my favourite bands release dvds. if you're a fan, be grateful? either that or heaps of my favourite bands & artists are "sell outs" haha


also, this argument about whether it matters if a band is it purely for money or not. it depends on how you view music. if you use music as a cheap commodity of temporary entertainment, it's probably not going to bother you a great deal. but if you view music as an art, it may appear somewhat empty or lifeless knowing the particular band you're listening to is just writing whatever the radio is most likely to play, or subscribing to whatever the current trend is. i'm not saying paramore are guilty of this, i know nothing of them, don't listen to them, etc. but to some people the concept of ethics matters
good points, sir. a good note to end on, i'd say.

[chaosB4storm]

I really hope you're joking by assuming I think that.

lol, no I really do think that they think their stuff is great. Honestly. I realise that you don't. I actually think that they love their music.

[allhourcymbals]

You think you can tell whether or not a band is in it for the money, and I don't.

I understand that you make a distinction between being in it for the money, and having bad music, so I think we agree.

Personally, I just don't really care what a band is in it for, it's not something I think about because it involves reading minds in my opinion.
I said if it's apparent. Not always. Are you still not understanding the reason behind why I won't listen to/enjoy the music if it's apparent?

Yes.

It matters to me because of what I personally get out of the music.

[allhourcymbals]

lol, no I really do think that they think their stuff is great. Honestly. I realise that you don't. I actually think that they love their music.
How would you realize that I don't? I've never said anything about Three Days Grace.

[handlikesecret]

don't anyone get me wrong, it does matter to me whether a band is completely in it for the money, but any band as big as Paramore who says that they're just doing it for the music is a liar. due to this, i think it's difficult to distinguish who's just in it for the money and who isn't, with some exceptions.

[chaosB4storm]

I said if it's apparent. Not always. Are you still not understanding the reason behind why I won't listen to/enjoy the music if it's apparent?

lol I get it, but I don't like the way you think. Why can't you just not like the music if it's not deep enough for you, instead of making the leap that you don't like it for the reasoning behind making it? What if the music you like becomes radio-friendly. All of your favourite bands will seem like they are in it for the money, won't they? I think there are many examples of honest radio-friendly songs, and many examples of deep songs that ended up with some radio time? I just don't like the whole philosophy of trying to judge the band's motives.

[DaveZeroZero]

Well, you guys are all wrong about Three Days Grace

You see, you missed the possessive apostrophe after "Days"

Hence, correctly, it should be "Three Days' Grace"

Take that!

[chaosB4storm]

How would you realize that I don't? I've never said anything about Three Days Grace.

lol I assumed you didn't because they were the first generic radio-friendly band I could think of. My bad.

[chaosB4storm]

Well, you guys are all wrong about Three Days Grace

You see, you missed the possessive apostrophe after "Days"

Hence, correctly, it should be "Three Days' Grace"

Take that!

This was needed. lol

[weeberteeoatser]

lol I get it, but I don't like the way you think. Why can't you just not like the music if it's not deep enough for you, instead of making the leap that you don't like it for the reasoning behind making it? What if the music you like becomes radio-friendly. All of your favourite bands will seem like they are in it for the money, won't they? I think there are many examples of honest radio-friendly songs, and many examples of deep songs that ended up with some radio time? I just don't like the whole philosophy of trying to judge the band's motives.
Obviously you don't. I don't specifically not like it for that reason, it just tends to be the reason. Just because a band is on the radio doesn't mean they are only in it for the money, no. I would love it if certain artists I like ended up on the radio, and that doesn't mean that they have to change their sound to accomplish that.

[DaveZeroZero]

This was needed. lol
Haha, glad to be of service :-)

[chaosB4storm]

Obviously you don't. I don't specifically not like it for that reason, it just tends to be the reason. Just because a band is on the radio doesn't mean they are only in it for the money, no. I would love it if certain artists I like ended up on the radio, and that doesn't mean that they have to change their sound to accomplish that.

No, I really do get it. Honest.

I just disagree with people trying to judge a band's motives instead of simply judging the music. I know you decide whether or not you like the band based on the music, but from my point of view, discussing what a band is in it for is irrelevent and is impossible to ever really know for sure.

[chaosB4storm]

Haha, glad to be of service :-)

All aircraft report!

[versus_god]

And then your favorite band signs to Sire and drinks lemon ginger tea, you know?

[weeberteeoatser]

No, I really do get it. Honest.

I just disagree with people trying to judge a band's motives instead of simply judging the music. I know you decide whether or not you like the band based on the music, but from my point of view, discussing what a band is in it for is irrelevent and is impossible to ever really know for sure.
Then why are you discussing it?

[DaveZeroZero]

All aircraft report!
They really need a Wii Star Fox.

[chaosB4storm]

Then why are you discussing it?

I am only discussing it to try and make people understand that it's irrelevent and impossible to know.

I am really not interested at all in discussing whether any band such as Paramore are in it for the money or not.

[weeberteeoatser]

I am only discussing it to try and make people understand that it's irrelevent and impossible to know.

I am really not interested at all in discussing whether any band such as Paramore are in it for the money or not.
It may be irrelevant to you, but it's not to others.

[chaosB4storm]

They really need a Wii Star Fox.

Yes, and a Wii spaceship to sit in while you play.:drew:

[chaosB4storm]

It may be irrelevant to you, but it's not to others.

Yes'm.

[weeberteeoatser]

We need more soul with the music, we got to have reggae reggae music. We don't need no countryman fiddle, we need a real cool sound.

[chipdip18]

And they need a Wii Harvest Moon.

[DaveZeroZero]

Yes, and a Wii spaceship to sit in while you play.:drew:
I need a wii spaceship for me to play the new star wars game in when it comes out next month :dance:

[weeberteeoatser]

And they need a Wii Harvest Moon.
I know you want funk, but have you heard of/checked out Aggrolites yet?

[versus_god]

Listen to the Aggrolites all day every day, you know?

[chaosB4storm]

Fox McCloud could take Luke Skywalker in a space battle.

[weeberteeoatser]

Listen to the Aggrolites all day every day, you know?
That's all I'm sayin'.

[chipdip18]

I know you want funk, but have you heard of/checked out Aggrolites yet?

I am a fan of the Aggrolites. Haha who did you know i want some more funk? And Hawai'ian for that matter.