lies, lies & some more lies.

[Lueda Alia]

I know this is very long but it's so worth it.

http://www.indybay.org/uploads/uncovered_the_whole_truth.wmv




All of you Bush supporters should watch it. And I know this belongs in the politics forum, but since not many people go there....

[13th hour]

damn, thats an hour long!

[Tristan Needler]

holy shit dude, whatch this video

http://www.muchosucko.com/flash/pentagonlies.html#Main

my friend showed me the other day, its about the "plane" (or lack there of) that crashed into the pentagon on 9/11

its really messed up, my friend showed it to me the other day it basically all but proves that it was a missile, not a plane. they never found any evidence of a plane hitting at the site, its so weird

watch it

[popdisaster00]

wish i had dsl, so i could watch these :(

[Lueda Alia]

holy shit dude, whatch this video

http://www.muchosucko.com/flash/pentagonlies.html#Main

my friend showed me the other day, its about the "plane" (or lack there of) that crashed into the pentagon on 9/11

its really messed up, my friend showed it to me the other day it basically all but proves that it was a missile, not a plane. they never found any evidence of a plane hitting at the site, its so weird

watch it
already watched that and so many other websites about this. http://www.freedomfiles.org/war/pentagon.htm ; http://911uncovered.com ; http://www.public-action.com/911/bumble.html


etc etc...


BUT SERIOUSLY... WATCH THE VIDEO ON THE FIRST POST. I know, I know... it's very long, but it's VERY worth it. So please watch it. Especially if you're thinking of voting for Bush on Nov.

[JoshCool7717]

holy shit dude, whatch this video

http://www.muchosucko.com/flash/pentagonlies.html#Main

my friend showed me the other day, its about the "plane" (or lack there of) that crashed into the pentagon on 9/11

its really messed up, my friend showed it to me the other day it basically all but proves that it was a missile, not a plane. they never found any evidence of a plane hitting at the site, its so weird

watch it

Woah...this truly explains a lot...Thank you Sir. Why hide the films? Conspiracy? Foreign attack? Our own military mistake? Whatever the reason, I know I hate being lied to...and this is beginning to push it.

[Tristan Needler]

I know this is very long but it's so worth it.

http://www.indybay.org/uploads/uncovered_the_whole_truth.wmv




All of you Bush supporters should watch it. And I know this belongs in the politics forum, but since not many people go there....
i just dont know how he can get away with shit like this, how people can let him get away with shit like this. the sad thing is i think hes probably going to get re-elected, almost want to become an american citizen just so i can vote against him. sadly even if i did, im not 18 until about a week after the elections anyway.

[13th hour]

guys, it was a plane that hit the pentagon.

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.htm


If you want, I can find alot more.
I seriously feel sorry for anyone who thinks 9/11 was caused by anyone other than terrorists. Bush is fucked up, but hes not fucked up enough to kill his own people.

[_astheruinfalls]

guys, it was a plane that hit the pentagon.

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.htm


If you want, I can find alot more.
I seriously feel sorry for anyone who thinks 9/11 was caused by anyone other than terrorists. Bush is fucked up, but hes not fucked up enough to kill his own people.
No one said it was Bush.

And what happened to the plane?

[13th hour]

hold on Ill find a picture I saw earlier
here.
http://img80.exs.cx/img80/6745/Pentagon091110.jpg

There was already a big discussion on this on a local forum heres the link to that discussion.

http://www.402hardcore.com/messboard/viewtopic.php?t=3710&highlight=pentagon

[_astheruinfalls]

hold on Ill find a picture I saw earlier
here.
http://img80.exs.cx/img80/6745/Pentagon091110.jpg

There was already a big discussion on this on a local forum heres the link to that discussion.

http://www.402hardcore.com/messboard/viewtopic.php?t=3710&highlight=pentagon
So you are telling me out of that crash, all that's left is that little piece?

[13th hour]

Its actually a fairly large piece, but shot at a weird angle.

Are you really telling me, TJ, that you think that something else hit the pentagon and the government is covering it up?

[_astheruinfalls]

Its actually a fairly large piece, but shot at a weird angle.

Are you really telling me, TJ, that you think that something else hit the pentagon and the government is covering it up?
No.

I'm just having fun.

But it is a little weird some of the things the government did. Like why would the confiscate every tape that recorded what happened?

[13th hour]

they were probably trying to figure out what went on themselves. Remember, no one saw this coming, they were just as confused as we were, and maybe some of the unreleased tapes were deemed too graphic for release.

[_astheruinfalls]

they were probably trying to figure out what went on themselves. Remember, no one saw this coming, they were just as confused as we were, and maybe some of the unreleased tapes were deemed too graphic for release.
But we see the Twin Towers crumbling over and over and over and we watch people jump from the buildings. But that's not too graphic at all.

[13th hour]

the government had no control over that, it was a live feed on every major channel in the world.

the reason those tapes were never released was probably because the government thought that the average citizen had seen enough and they didnt want to add any more images of death to the average persons thoughts of that day.

[_astheruinfalls]

the government had no control over that, it was a live feed on every major channel in the world.

the reason those tapes were never released was probably because the government thought that the average citizen had seen enough and they didnt want to add any more images of death to the average persons thoughts of that day.
But why did they let stations keep playing it?

And showing those tapes would answer a lot of questions. I mean, it happened. We lived through it. The tapes can't hurt us anymore than we already are hurt.

[13th hour]

it would hurt the consciousness of america. We already will never forget the towers falling. Why would we want to never be able to forget the pentagon exploding?

btw, the reason that the video of the towers was replaid was because it was broadcast live. The government couldnt have told them to stop.

[_astheruinfalls]

it would hurt the consciousness of america. We already will never forget the towers falling. Why would we want to never be able to forget the pentagon exploding?

btw, the reason that the video of the towers was replaid was because it was broadcast live. The government couldnt have told them to stop.
Why would we forget it? That's like forgeting Pearl Harbor.

Oh well. Still.

[13th hour]

I dont have an answer, I wasnt there, thats just my idea of what happened, and you have to admit, in all honestly, its a hell of alot more believeable than a missle hit the pentagon.

[ohlookitspaul]

i think it just makes you question things at least, so people will stop taking things for granted and swallowing everything they're told

[_astheruinfalls]

I dont have an answer, I wasnt there, thats just my idea of what happened, and you have to admit, in all honestly, its a hell of alot more believeable than a missle hit the pentagon.
It is.

But conspiracy theories are fun.

[13th hour]

yea, but you just have to be careful, because there are alot of people in the world less intelligent than you and I who will believe absolutely anything they are told.

[_astheruinfalls]

That's their fault.

[Lueda Alia]

Watch The Video On My First Post!!!!!!!!!

[Lueda Alia]

bump

[venus/bacchus]

Why would we forget it? That's like forgeting Pearl Harbor.

Oh well. Still.
We have forgotten Pearl Harbor. The day that it becomes a Hollywood drama is the day that it loses all emotional value and transforms into a blip on the historical radar. In 50 years, 9/11 will just be that one time where terrorists attacked us. In 200, kids'll get it wrong on history tests.

The Pentagon theory is an interesting one, but it has a lot of flaws. For one, it's presented in a flashing images mode, encouraging the watcher to not really pay that much attention to detail. If you pause and look closely at a lot of pictures, you can see things that they claim aren't there (the hole for one). Also, this still doesn't account for where the plane is. And how such a vast cover-up could be orchestrated on such a grand scale without any slip-ups.

About the first video, I'll pass. If anyone has followed politics closely over the last 4 years, you would know what each candidate stands for. If you haven't, most likely you aren't educated enough to vote. Read a book before you watch a movie with spliced in clips to form your opinion.

[Lueda Alia]

About the first video, I'll pass. If anyone has followed politics closely over the last 4 years, you would know what each candidate stands for. If you haven't, most likely you aren't educated enough to vote. Read a book before you watch a movie with spliced in clips to form your opinion.
the video isn't even about the candidates... just so you know. but since you support Bush... and the war... I really think you should watch it. I don't care if it doesn't change you and anyone's mind.. just as long as all of the people who supported the war FREAKIN REALIZE THAT THEY WERE LIED TO about the WMD's.

what's so wrong about watching the video? you're gonna vote for bush anyway, so whats the problem? just watch it. if you have a fast connection it'll take less than 5 mins for it to download... so no biggie.

[FallingOut]

Im sure none of the Bush supporters will watch it because they are afraid that it will make their favorite little cowboy look bad. I hate that Bush supporters refuse to listen to any evidence against him. You should get the facts before you vote for somebody just because you like him. I dont really know how you can vote for that guy, for one thing, Dick Cheney is a complete douchebag, and the only good thing to come out of the Bush presidency is that we got Saddam. Yet he keeps all of our troops in Iraq, letting all of the young people die for no good reason. Just makes us look tough.

[venus/bacchus]

the video isn't even about the candidates... just so you know. but since you support Bush... and the war... I really think you should watch it. I don't care if it doesn't change you and anyone's mind.. just as long as all of the people who supported the war FREAKIN REALIZE THAT THEY WERE LIED TO about the WMD's.

what's so wrong about watching the video? you're gonna vote for bush anyway, so whats the problem? just watch it. if you have a fast connection it'll take less than 5 mins for it to download... so no biggie.
I wouldn't recommend anyone watching a "highlight" video for their information period, regardless of what candidate it supports or denounces. I'd say odds are I've read all of that information and then some from reliable sources that aren't out solely to make me believe something. About being "lied" to, have you read any of the new CIA report that places almost all the blame on Tenet, and virtually none on Bush? It says that Bush did no pressuring to get the information, and it was supplied to him that it's a sure thing in Iraq that there are WMDs. Now, if the agency responsible for giving you information gives you this information, I think it'd be very important to believe them. Therefore, Bush never "lied" per se. A lie is blatantly knowing the truth, but saying something different. I'm guessing you haven't read the Colin Powell speech to the UN either, or else you'd know the majority of the information regarding WMDs that were presented to the world community and you could make an educated decision also.

I don't feel the need to waste my time on something that would be pointless for me to watch and is solely propaganda.

[firecrackermank]

i hate lying to people. and i hate it when anyone lies to me. i would cry if i lied to my b/f or if he lied to me...

[Bikeage]

rofl this coming from the same man who said our intelligence was 100% right and there was nothing wrong with it? bullshit, he sold the american people the war, and you bought it. you're just so stuck on defending him you won't admit it

[firecrackermank]

anyone heard of or like rocket from the crypt?

[venus/bacchus]

rofl this coming from the same man who said our intelligence was 100% right and there was nothing wrong with it? bullshit, he sold the american people the war, and you bought it. you're just so stuck on defending him you won't admit it
He only knows what he's told. So of course he'd say it's 100% right because he pays those people to make sure it's 100% right. Bush's job is to take the information that is given to him, and think of the best course of action. He did that, so to fault him with the actual information shows your lack of knowledge on the subject. Believe it or not, regardless of WMDs or not, I believe the war was justified, so of course I'd defend it.

[venus/bacchus]

anyone heard of or like rocket from the crypt?
anyone who doesn't like rftc is lying to themself

[Bikeage]

He only knows what he's told. So of course he'd say it's 100% right because he pays those people to make sure it's 100% right. Bush's job is to take the information that is given to him, and think of the best course of action. He did that, so to fault him with the actual information shows your lack of knowledge on the subject. Believe it or not, regardless of WMDs or not, I believe the war was justified, so of course I'd defend it.

that's sad, sometimes the ends don't justify the means

but why am i talking to you when you wont' even watch the video?

[firecrackermank]

anyone who doesn't like rftc is lying to themself
good good.

[aolsux]

anyone heard of or like rocket from the crypt?
i never really got into them, but their band name is fucking awesome

[venus/bacchus]

that's sad, sometimes the ends don't justify the means

but why am i talking to you when you wont' even watch the video?
I never said that's the case. There are still many other reasons to be in Iraq aside from there being stockpiles of WMDs.

I'm guessing you're talking to me because I know what I'm talking about without having to watch the video. That would make the most sense.

[Bikeage]

I never said that's the case. There are still many other reasons to be in Iraq aside from there being stockpiles of WMDs.

I'm guessing you're talking to me because I know what I'm talking about without having to watch the video. That would make the most sense.

rofl ignorance at it's best

[Lueda Alia]

I never said that's the case. There are still many other reasons to be in Iraq aside from there being stockpiles of WMDs.

I'm guessing you're talking to me because I know what I'm talking about without having to watch the video. That would make the most sense.
haha... you're right, you know better than the experts. :lol2:

as someone already said, you're just afraid to watch the video.

[venus/bacchus]

rofl ignorance at it's best
Let's not start tossing around claims like ignorance when you're using a spliced together video for your denunciation of Bush's practices.
haha... you're right, you know better than the experts.

as someone already said, you're just afraid to watch the video.
When did I ever say anything remotely similar to that? Oh that's right, I didn't. Take what I'm saying for what it's worth and understand what I'm trying to say before you jump to conclusions. I don't care if the movie is about Bush, Kerry, whatever, if it's done in the manner I imagine your video is, I wouldn't suggest anyone watch it. I guarantee I can still argue politics without having seen that video. I bet the same thing has been posted in text form in the politics form 20 times. I bet you don't read the news that often. I bet you haven't a page of the 9/11 Commission, or the CIA Report, or Powell's Speech to the UN. It has nothing to do with knowing more than whomever. It's the fact that I still know what's going on in the world without having to be led by some piece of obvious progpaganda. I think you'd understand that by now.

[PunkDrums182]

the video isn't even about the candidates... just so you know. but since you support Bush... and the war... I really think you should watch it. I don't care if it doesn't change you and anyone's mind.. just as long as all of the people who supported the war FREAKIN REALIZE THAT THEY WERE LIED TO about the WMD's.

what's so wrong about watching the video? you're gonna vote for bush anyway, so whats the problem? just watch it. if you have a fast connection it'll take less than 5 mins for it to download... so no biggie.
but an hour to watch lol

[_astheruinfalls]

Lala.

[venus/bacchus]

Lala.
haha, it's nothing...I don't even know why I'm trying to defend myself

[_astheruinfalls]

I know. But it was funny.

[venus/bacchus]

I know. But it was funny.
agreed

[Bikeage]

wow you haven't even watched the video and you're attacking it? for god's sake just watch it, it's not one of those "OMG LEFTIST PROPAGANDA" movies, it's an actual INTELLIGENT movie

[Lueda Alia]

wow you haven't even watched the video and you're attacking it? for god's sake just watch it, it's not one of those "OMG LEFTIST PROPAGANDA" movies, it's an actually INTELLIGENT movie
exactly. so I'm not going to even "defend" the video, when you have no idea what the hell you're talking about.

[open mind]

the government had no control over that, it was a live feed on every major channel in the world.

the reason those tapes were never released was probably because the government thought that the average citizen had seen enough and they didnt want to add any more images of death to the average persons thoughts of that day.
there really is nothing like being treated like a 5 year old by your own government.

[venus/bacchus]

wow you haven't even watched the video and you're attacking it? for god's sake just watch it, it's not one of those "OMG LEFTIST PROPAGANDA" movies, it's an actual INTELLIGENT movie
exactly. so I'm not going to even "defend" the video, when you have no idea what the hell you're talking about.
I never claimed it was leftist propaganda, just propaganda, which it undeniably is. The whole point is that I'm really sick of spotty movies conveying the "truth". I don't care what side it is either (Bush's ads are ridiculous, swift boat, pentagon movie, everything). Please, just take away from what I'm saying that you can watch all the "intelligent movies" you want, but that will never make you informed. It's sad that kids will now resort to this and half an hour of the daily show 4 times a week for political knowledge. There's no way that that sort of political envolvement can make anyone an informed voter. So please, just read some news (yahoo news is even cool) and stay up on events and avoid things like this. Americans are mesmerized by pretty colors and flashing things, but if you look past it, most of the time you're being lied to (or the truth is twisted).

You should never form your opinion by listening to someone else's opinion.

[open mind]

I never said that's the case. There are still many other reasons to be in Iraq aside from there being stockpiles of WMDs.

I'm guessing you're talking to me because I know what I'm talking about without having to watch the video. That would make the most sense.
please give me a list of those reasons, if any aren't either bullshit, or hypocritical i'll give you a gold star.

[open mind]

I wouldn't recommend anyone watching a "highlight" video for their information period, regardless of what candidate it supports or denounces. I'd say odds are I've read all of that information and then some from reliable sources that aren't out solely to make me believe something. About being "lied" to, have you read any of the new CIA report that places almost all the blame on Tenet, and virtually none on Bush? It says that Bush did no pressuring to get the information, and it was supplied to him that it's a sure thing in Iraq that there are WMDs. Now, if the agency responsible for giving you information gives you this information, I think it'd be very important to believe them. Therefore, Bush never "lied" per se. A lie is blatantly knowing the truth, but saying something different. I'm guessing you haven't read the Colin Powell speech to the UN either, or else you'd know the majority of the information regarding WMDs that were presented to the world community and you could make an educated decision also.

I don't feel the need to waste my time on something that would be pointless for me to watch and is solely propaganda.
isn't it funny how when someone started cry bullshit on parts of the case for war, that someones wife's name was given to a reporter by a senior bush administration official, which just happened to be a federal offense?

[open mind]

I know this is very long but it's so worth it.

http://www.indybay.org/uploads/uncovered_the_whole_truth.wmv




All of you Bush supporters should watch it. And I know this belongs in the politics forum, but since not many people go there....
this is a really good documentary, i saw it on showtime i think.
venus watch this, everyone talked to is from the intelligence community,the military, people from weapon inspection teams, old white house officials, and diplomats.

[venus/bacchus]

please give me a list of those reasons, if any aren't either bullshit, or hypocritical i'll give you a gold star.

isn't it funny how when someone started cry bullshit on parts of the case for war, that someones wife's name was given to a reporter by a senior bush administration official, which just happened to be a federal offense?

this is a really good documentary, i saw it on showtime i think.
venus watch this, everyone talked to is from the intelligence community,the military, people from weapon inspection teams, old white house officials, and diplomats.
I think we've discussed it enough. I don't see a gold star anywhere in my future from you.

I never heard this. Interesting.

I'll probably watch it. No one ever actually said what it was, so I just assumed the worst. I still doubt it's "fair" in any sense of the word. For some reason I respect you, so I'll check it out.

[open mind]

so there aren't any good resons left for going into iraq right?
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/09/29/novak.cia/

[venus/bacchus]

so there aren't any good resons left for going into iraq right?
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/09/29/novak.cia/
I never said that. I just said that what I believe are good reasons, you definitely don't, and you wouldn't give me a gold star no matter what I said.

I watched the first 15 minutes of the movie. Again, nothing new. Also, that speech in which Bush "lied", I see no lies. I'm guessing this was done before the latest reports also, saying that he had banned materials and still had the facilities to create nuclear weapons. Even the new CIA report says that Bush or his cabinet didn't pressure the CIA into giving any information. It even goes as far as saying Tenet said it was a "slam dunk". Britain also had the same intelligence.

[_astheruinfalls]

I never claimed it was leftist propaganda, just propaganda, which it undeniably is. The whole point is that I'm really sick of spotty movies conveying the "truth". I don't care what side it is either (Bush's ads are ridiculous, swift boat, pentagon movie, everything). Please, just take away from what I'm saying that you can watch all the "intelligent movies" you want, but that will never make you informed. It's sad that kids will now resort to this and half an hour of the daily show 4 times a week for political knowledge. There's no way that that sort of political envolvement can make anyone an informed voter. So please, just read some news (yahoo news is even cool) and stay up on events and avoid things like this. Americans are mesmerized by pretty colors and flashing things, but if you look past it, most of the time you're being lied to (or the truth is twisted).

You should never form your opinion by listening to someone else's opinion.
Daily Show is the greatest show on earth.

[open mind]

because all the reasons you listed were either bullshit or blatantly hypocritical.
it's an hour or so long why not watch the whole thing and see if there was anything you hadn't heard before?
that report isn't even out yet, so how do you know what it says?

[Bikeage]

rofl bush is quoted saying "find me anything" to prove the link between osama & hussein, and he didn't pressure them? lollerwafles

[venus/bacchus]

because all the reasons you listed were either bullshit or blatantly hypocritical.
it's an hour or so long why not watch the whole thing and see if there was anything you hadn't heard before?
that report isn't even out yet, so how do you know what it says?
The things are "bullshit" or "hypocritical" in your eyes, but I disagree. Those would happen to be opinionated terms.

The main reason I didn't watch the whole thing was I'm attempting to do physics homework, but the board keeps pulling me back. It's also very boring.

[dretti]

ahhh i still like good ole bush, the man is sexy. I just can't wait til he wins the elections and i can hear all you fuckers bitch. It will be like christmas

[open mind]

The things are "bullshit" or "hypocritical" in your eyes, but I disagree. Those would happen to be opinionated terms.

The main reason I didn't watch the whole thing was I'm attempting to do physics homework, but the board keeps pulling me back. It's also very boring.
either something is false or it's not, and holding someone up to standards that you don't hold others to is hypocritical, i don't see where opinion is involved.

[open mind]

ahhh i still like good ole bush, the man is sexy. I just can't wait til he wins the elections and i can hear all you fuckers bitch. It will be like christmas
i won't bitch if that's what happens (it's the most likely outcome) at the least more people pay attention to what's going on then before these elections, i will laugh when reality finally dawns on bush supporters though.

[_astheruinfalls]

ahhh i still like good ole bush, the man is sexy. I just can't wait til he wins the elections and i can hear all you fuckers bitch. It will be like christmas
I hate you. :)







I couldn't resist.

[LoveHate]

holy shit dude, whatch this video

http://www.muchosucko.com/flash/pentagonlies.html#Main

my friend showed me the other day, its about the "plane" (or lack there of) that crashed into the pentagon on 9/11

its really messed up, my friend showed it to me the other day it basically all but proves that it was a missile, not a plane. they never found any evidence of a plane hitting at the site, its so weird

watch it

Wow, my mouth was wide open watching that entire video clip. I am in awe. I am wordless.

[derricklc22]

I'll watch the video later on Eda. Some ppl. dont know anything about the canidates they are jsut voting on what their families say and that sucks. And when I say "some people" I dont mean you so dont take it like I'm singling anyone out, please.

[Bikeage]

ahhh i still like good ole bush, the man is sexy. I just can't wait til he wins the elections and i can hear all you fuckers bitch. It will be like christmas

and i cant wait till your ass gets drafted and sent to one of the countries that we'll be invading next, and you ask yourself "what the fuck was I thinking."

SEE YOU IN CANADA!!!

[ohlookitspaul]

i'm deciding between canada or the bahamas...

[13th hour]

Wow, my mouth was wide open watching that entire video clip. I am in awe. I am wordless.
If you actually believe whats on that video then there is absolutely no hope for you whatsoever. It is not supported by facts at all. How do we even know that the quotes in that video arent from made up people? Its a flash movie spread around on the internet. In case you missed the news flash: just because its on the internet doesnt make it real.


Seriously, how can you be that stupid?


PS. If you are saying you are in awe because of how stupid that video is, I apologize.

[_astheruinfalls]

i'm deciding between canada or the bahamas...
I love Canada.

But yay Bahamas!

[Lueda Alia]

you can all move in my room... errr.. Canada :lol2:

[open mind]

If you actually believe whats on that video then there is absolutely no hope for you whatsoever. It is not supported by facts at all. How do we even know that the quotes in that video arent from made up people? Its a flash movie spread around on the internet. In case you missed the news flash: just because its on the internet doesnt make it real.


Seriously, how can you be that stupid?


PS. If you are saying you are in awe because of how stupid that video is, I apologize.
it's auctually a documentary, i first saw it on tv, and those are real people who really work/worked where the tape said they did.
if you bothered to check the facts out for yourself you would have known that though.

[13th hour]

They were talking about the pentagon flash file. About how it wasnt really a plane that hit the pentagon.
I admit that most of the things in the movie eda is talking about are facts.