Small Texas School District to Allow Teachers to Carry Guns

[TxRepresent]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/08/15/gun.toting.teachers.ap/index.html


Yeeee haww. But seriously, this is a horrible idea. I don't think this will catch on at bigger more urban districts, but if it does I think it's a huge step backwards on where we need to be heading.

[salmarnirecho]

horrible, horrible, horrible idea.

[aloneatlastnj]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/08/15/gun.toting.teachers.ap/index.html


Yeeee haww. But seriously, this is a horrible idea. I don't think this will catch on at bigger more urban districts, but if it does I think it's a huge step backwards on where we need to be heading.

don't have much to add to this discussion. <3 you bby

[x0sosahley]

This is a terribly dumb idea. It'll just promote more violence in school districts, and fear among the students.

[captainhampton]

because the "Gun Free Zone" signs obviously do the trick.....

[stonecoldstunna]

agreed. Awful idea, stupid gun-toting Texans.

[captainhampton]

agreed. Awful idea, stupid gun-toting Texans.

yeah damn those gun-toting Texans making their state safer

http://www.ncpa.org/pi/crime/pd101300a.html

[thespearkid]

yeah damn those gun-toting Texans making their state safer

http://www.ncpa.org/pi/crime/pd101300a.html
You're an idiot. The entire countries crime rate dropped during that period. It had nothing to do with everyone in Texas having guns.

[I'm DC]

It's not the best way to keep a kid safe, but it's being done with good intentions. There is far more of a chance for a student to crack and kill someone than a teacher, and this way the kids know that the teacher may be armed.
I have mixed feelings... But I wouldn't feel safe in a class room knowing the teacher who I hate and doesn't like me has a fucking pistol in his desk...

[captainhampton]

You're an idiot. The entire countries crime rate dropped during that period. It had nothing to do with everyone in Texas having guns.

is it a coincidence that the states with the most lenient concealed carry laws have some of the lowest rates of violent crime in the country?

[saysmydoctor]

yeah damn those gun-toting Texans making their state safer

http://www.ncpa.org/pi/crime/pd101300a.html
So, you are saying that guns directly affected the crime rate?

I knew you'd bring back some comedic value by posting here again.

[thespearkid]

is it a coincidence that the states with the most lenient concealed carry laws have some of the lowest rates of violent crime in the country?
I'd love to see a statistic on that. Do you seriously think it's a good idea to let teachers carry guns to school? haha.

[thespearkid]

It's not the best way to keep a kid safe, but it's being done with good intentions. There is far more of a chance for a student to crack and kill someone than a teacher, and this way the kids know that the teacher may be armed.
I have mixed feelings... But I wouldn't feel safe in a class room knowing the teacher who I hate and doesn't like me has a fucking pistol in his desk...
I wouldn't feel safe knowing there's a gun in the school, period.

[saysmydoctor]

It's not the best way to keep a kid safe, but it's being done with good intentions. There is far more of a chance for a student to crack and kill someone than a teacher, and this way the kids know that the teacher may be armed.
I have mixed feelings... But I wouldn't feel safe in a class room knowing the teacher who I hate and doesn't like me has a fucking pistol in his desk...
Then put a cop on campus, teachers don't need guns, teachers need yardsticks. I'm glad my taxes are going to fixing the education system.

[captainhampton]

So, you are saying that guns directly affected the crime rate?

I knew you'd bring back some comedic value by posting here again.

yeah guns don't have much to do with crime rate at all......the states with lenient concealed carry laws who have the lowest crime rates just got lucky. who needs statistics?

Are you a fake account?

[saysmydoctor]

yeah guns don't have much to do with crime rate at all......the states with lenient concealed carry laws who have the lowest crime rates just got lucky. who needs statistics?

Are you a fake account?
How would teachers with guns do anything to the crime rate? These two are totally unrelated.

[captainhampton]

I'd love to see a statistic on that. Do you seriously think it's a good idea to let teachers carry guns to school? haha.

"Among the thirty-six ‘shall-issue (http://www.concealedcampus.org/state_laws.pdf)’ states*—states where local authorities cannot require qualified applicants to "show a need" before the applicant is issued a concealed handgun license/concealed carry weapons permit—six states allow, without special provision, for any person eighteen years or older to be issued a concealed handgun license. These states are Indiana, Maine, Montana, New Hampshire, North Dakota, and South Dakota.
“Based on the FBI/Department of Justice violent crime statistics for the year 2006 (http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2006/offenses/violent_crime/index.html), the crime rates for these seven states, when ranked with all fifty states and the District of Columbia, rank as follows:

Indiana – 30
Montana – 42
South Dakota – 47
New Hampshire – 48
North Dakota – 50
Maine – 51

“Not only are Maine, North Dakota, New Hampshire, and South Dakota four of the five** U.S. states with the lowest crime rates, Montana has the tenth lowest crime rate, and Indiana isn’t even in the top 50%. Clearly, these states’ lenient concealed handgun laws are not breeding generations of young violent offenders.

“The extraordinarily low crime rates in these six states, coupled with the fact that these states have a combined population of only about 10,900,000 (approximately 1.6 million less than the combined population of America’s two largest cities—New York, NY, and Los Angeles, CA—and at approximately 1/3 the combined violent crime rate of those two cities) has led Students for Concealed Carry on Campus to focus on the majority of ‘shall-issue’ states where the minimum age to receive a concealed handgun license is 21.”


http://www.concealedcampus.org/arguments.htm

[saysmydoctor]

Except for Indiana, some of the lowest populated states in the nation. I don't know why I give you a chance. Those states are hunting states, jesus christ.

[captainhampton]

How would teachers with guns do anything to the crime rate? These two are totally unrelated.

i'd actually prefer your idea of having a cop in every classroom, but we know that is just not possible. so why not let a teacher with the proper license to carry be able to have one? what do you propose as a solution? we all know how stupid the idea of "gun Free Zones" are.

[thespearkid]

"Among the thirty-six ‘shall-issue (http://www.concealedcampus.org/state_laws.pdf)’ states*—states where local authorities cannot require qualified applicants to "show a need" before the applicant is issued a concealed handgun license/concealed carry weapons permit—six states allow, without special provision, for any person eighteen years or older to be issued a concealed handgun license. These states are Indiana, Maine, Montana, New Hampshire, North Dakota, and South Dakota.
“Based on the FBI/Department of Justice violent crime statistics for the year 2006 (http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2006/offenses/violent_crime/index.html), the crime rates for these seven states, when ranked with all fifty states and the District of Columbia, rank as follows:

Indiana – 30
Montana – 42
South Dakota – 47
New Hampshire – 48
North Dakota – 50
Maine – 51

“Not only are Maine, North Dakota, New Hampshire, and South Dakota four of the five** U.S. states with the lowest crime rates, Montana has the tenth lowest crime rate, and Indiana isn’t even in the top 50%. Clearly, these states’ lenient concealed handgun laws are not breeding generations of young violent offenders.

“The extraordinarily low crime rates in these six states, coupled with the fact that these states have a combined population of only about 10,900,000 (approximately 1.6 million less than the combined population of America’s two largest cities—New York, NY, and Los Angeles, CA—and at approximately 1/3 the combined violent crime rate of those two cities) has led Students for Concealed Carry on Campus to focus on the majority of ‘shall-issue’ states where the minimum age to receive a concealed handgun license is 21.”


http://www.concealedcampus.org/arguments.htm

Ha. No. The crime rates are lower in those states because they don't have many urban areas.

[captainhampton]

Except for Indiana, some of the lowest populated states in the nation. I don't know why I give you a chance.

jesus christ do you know how they calculate crime rates? here's a clue, it isn't just on total number of crimes committed. my god you have got to be kidding me.

[thespearkid]

i'd actually prefer your idea of having a cop in every classroom, but we know that is just not possible. so why not let a teacher with the proper license to carry be able to have one? what do you propose as a solution? we all know how stupid the idea of "gun Free Zones" are.
A cop in every class room? How do you expect students to learn while an armed officer is standing in the corner?

[atticusfinch]

Leave it to Texas to come up with the stupidest shit ever.

[x togepi x]

yeah guns don't have much to do with crime rate at all......the states with lenient concealed carry laws who have the lowest crime rates just got lucky. who needs statistics?

Are you a fake account?

hahahaha. best political forum post ever.

[chaosB4storm]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/08/15/gun.toting.teachers.ap/index.html


Yeeee haww. But seriously, this is a horrible idea. I don't think this will catch on at bigger more urban districts, but if it does I think it's a huge step backwards on where we need to be heading.

horrible, horrible, horrible idea.

don't have much to add to this discussion. <3 you bby

agreed. Awful idea, stupid gun-toting Texans.

So, you are saying that guns directly affected the crime rate?

I knew you'd bring back some comedic value by posting here again.

Leave it to Texas to come up with the stupidest shit ever.

At least the opposition has some substance to their argument...

[chaosB4storm]

And there's a really good book called "More Guns Less Crime" that has a lot to say about this kind of topic, and it's very convincing.

[chaosB4storm]

I'm not totally against this, but how is having a cop in every classroom better than having a cop at every entrance? Couldn't metal detectors along with cops at every entrance be a reasonable idea?

[ArmedROBery]

Miserable idea. Tazers, I could maybe see, so a student with a gun could be neutralized. But a loaded gun? Wtf, leave that to the cops.

I assume that now teachers would have to be trained with small firearms. Don't want little Johnny in the back of the room getting hit by some friendly fire.

[aolsux]

Seriously though. Kids learn from example. I feel letting teachers carry guns only teaches kids that guns are commonplace and easy to get at (probably in Texas - at your local Toys R Us) plus not dangerous. Also, carrying a weapon in school gives a more authoritarian approach towards discipline, the whole fact teachers are "packing heat" puts the teachers way high above the average kid. Scaring the shit out of any school goer that my principal now has a handgun or my gym teacher has a shotgun.

[chaosB4storm]

Tazers are not actually such a great idea either...anyone with a gun is not afraid of a tazer...they could just kill as many people as they can before getting knocked out.Firearms, on the other hand, have prevention value.

Tazers have the ability to end a shooting. Firearms have the ability to prevent it from happening in the first place.

[chaosB4storm]

Seriously though. Kids learn from example. I feel letting teachers carry guns only teaches kids that guns are commonplace and easy to get at (probably in Texas - at your local Toys R Us) plus not dangerous. Also, carrying a weapon in school gives a more authoritarian approach towards discipline, the whole fact teachers are "packing heat" puts the teachers way high above the average kid. Scaring the shit out of any school goer that my principal now has a handgun or my gym teacher has a shotgun.

How does teachers having guns show kids that guns are not dangerous? The whole basis of allowing teachers to carry guns is because they're dangerous.

And if this can prevent shootings from happening, isn't the authoritarian approach going to be worth it in the long run?

[chaosB4storm]

On simple risk analysis I think it would cause more problems than it would prevent.

Maybe, but the problems it prevents are more important than the problems it causes in my opinion.

[ArmedROBery]

I see what you're saying, but where would they keep the gun?

1) In a safe: less risk, yes, but by the time a kid pulls a gun, it's too late.
2) In their desk: reckless, since a crazed kid could easily obtain it.
3) Concealed [wearing it]: might as well just have a shoot out in a school! God forbid the first shot rings out, I could just see a disaster in my head. Not to mention, it's frightening/distracting.

I'm not for tazers; it was just a suggestion. I don't agree that firearms have a prevention value though. Sure, they certainly scare kids, but it doesn't stop them. I think metal detectors are one step in the solution. It takes the danger out of a teacher's hands (literally).

[thespearkid]

Sorry, but anyone who seriously thinks it's a good idea to let teachers carry guns to school is just a little messed up.

[Nevuk]

I trust the teachers less than I do the students.

[thespearkid]

How does teachers having guns show kids that guns are not dangerous? The whole basis of allowing teachers to carry guns is because they're dangerous.

And if this can prevent shootings from happening, isn't the authoritarian approach going to be worth it in the long run?
How will allowing 50 guns to come to school everyday prevent shootings? Suppose little Johnny breaks into his teacher's desk while she's in the teacher's lounge and steals her gun? Bad idea all around.

[saysmydoctor]

jesus christ do you know how they calculate crime rates? here's a clue, it isn't just on total number of crimes committed. my god you have got to be kidding me.
No shit Sherlock, but you are rattling off states with no urban areas, where the gun owners are fucking hunting deer and so on. Get a fucking clue.
hahahaha. best political forum post ever.
I thought so. You don't post nearly as often, why is that?
Tazers have the ability to end a shooting. Firearms have the ability to prevent it from happening in the first place.
Firearms shoot those bullet things, you fucking idiot.

[x togepi x]

I thought so. You don't post nearly as often, why is that?


I've been busy and not around a computer. It's summer, so there's tons of things to do. it rules pretty hard.

From the recent tazering/police brutality events, I would say that the further militarization of our schools is a horrible idea. Police brutality tends to happen with people who like abusing their power, and many teachers definitely fall into this group of people. I'm not exactly sure I want to trust teachers with weapons. It opens the school up to so many liabilities that it isn't even funny. What if a teacher brandishes a weapon in a way that can be construed as threatening? Say hello to a giant lawsuit. Most schools probably won't be able to handle that, especially the poor ones where people are claiming we have these problems with violence.

I'm also not entirely sure that it would deter school shootings and whatnot. While I do agree with that guns do deter crime, and have seen statistics backing this up, I have issues with the definition of "crime" as this vague category that could basically mean anything violent and illegal. The problem with a vague definition is there are so many different motives/types of violent crime, some of which probably wouldn't be deterred. I'm not sure that these statistics take that into account.

For weapons to be a deterrent, the perpetrator must care about their well being. For example, I can see the logic behind handguns deterring something like a mugging, because one committing that crime wants to stay alive. However, a crime like a school shooting, seems completely different than other types of violent crime in the sense that these are cases where someone snaps, and basically has no regard for themselves or anyone else. In many of these cases the person ends up committing suicide anyway. Are you seriously suggesting that someone like this is going to be deterred by a handgun, when they're already willing to die?

I'm also not entirely sure if a teacher with a gun is going to be very effective in stopping a school shooting because they would probably lack the training to be preventative. I mean police officers and military people go through training on how to use their weapons that civilians don't. It's not like teachers are going to be learning how to get a head shot on a moving target or something like that.

I don't think this is an issue where we can just look at simple statistics and go "well, you're right."

[aolsux]

I feel combating gun violence with gun violence is counterproductive. I understand kids like to go crazy and shoot up their schools but perhaps getting to the bottom of why this happens instead of just arming teachers (who can go crazy and shoot up the school as well). I feel we are coming closer to an imperialistic state.

[aolsux]

How does teachers having guns show kids that guns are not dangerous? The whole basis of allowing teachers to carry guns is because they're dangerous.

And if this can prevent shootings from happening, isn't the authoritarian approach going to be worth it in the long run?
I have a perfect example: last night I was at a party where everyone was getting trashed. I stopped after a few beers because I wanted to go home at like 2 AM, because I knew that today was one of the last days I could sleep in for awhile. Anywho, this one chick who I worked with brought her four year old kid and she told us that we weren't allowed to say we we drinking beer or whatever, we were drinking "soda" instead. So, he kept running around to everyone asking them how their "soda" was. My girlfriend, who doesn't really like beer, was drinking some Boon's Farm and the kid came up to her and asked her if he could have a sip of "blue soda." After my gf told him that he couldn't have some he started throwing a fit.

Long analogy short: kids are curious of what they cannot get their hands on. I have been dying to try some Lucid, the legal absinthe, but it's fucking expensive ($75) and I am not 21. Kids are more likely to do something if they see adults doing it as if it were the right thing to do, like the twenty five underage drinkers last night to the mind of a 4 year old.

[entrepy]

Crime statistics aren't exactly terrific statistics to rely on (though I suppose you do have to go on something).

My own personal favourite is the "x% of crimes are never reported"

[chaosB4storm]

Firearms shoot those bullet things, you fucking idiot.

If you seriously think that this is a rebuttal to what I said, I feel sorry for you.

I think calling me a "fucking idiot" does more for your stance than the first half of your statement.

[chaosB4storm]

I see what you're saying, but where would they keep the gun?

1) In a safe: less risk, yes, but by the time a kid pulls a gun, it's too late.
2) In their desk: reckless, since a crazed kid could easily obtain it.
3) Concealed [wearing it]: might as well just have a shoot out in a school! God forbid the first shot rings out, I could just see a disaster in my head. Not to mention, it's frightening/distracting.

I'm not for tazers; it was just a suggestion. I don't agree that firearms have a prevention value though. Sure, they certainly scare kids, but it doesn't stop them. I think metal detectors are one step in the solution. It takes the danger out of a teacher's hands (literally).

1) in a safe - can't hurt anything, can it?
2) No.
3) This is the reason I think it is a better solution to have metal detectors and cops at every entrance to the school.

The problem with the bolded is that it is very hard for you to prove that the greater risk of being killed won't prevent people from even pondering a shooting.

[chaosB4storm]

I trust the teachers less than I do the students.

The history of shootings shows that your trust is misplaced.

[chaosB4storm]

How will allowing 50 guns to come to school everyday prevent shootings? Suppose little Johnny breaks into his teacher's desk while she's in the teacher's lounge and steals her gun? Bad idea all around.

The element of fear may prevent shootings in some cases, and 50 people with guns makes it possible to stop a shooter.

Johnny looked into the wrong spot by the way, his teacher doesn't keep her gun in her desk.

[chaosB4storm]

I've been busy and not around a computer. It's summer, so there's tons of things to do. it rules pretty hard.

From the recent tazering/police brutality events, I would say that the further militarization of our schools is a horrible idea. Police brutality tends to happen with people who like abusing their power, and many teachers definitely fall into this group of people. I'm not exactly sure I want to trust teachers with weapons. It opens the school up to so many liabilities that it isn't even funny. What if a teacher brandishes a weapon in a way that can be construed as threatening? Say hello to a giant lawsuit. Most schools probably won't be able to handle that, especially the poor ones where people are claiming we have these problems with violence.

I'm also not entirely sure that it would deter school shootings and whatnot. While I do agree with that guns do deter crime, and have seen statistics backing this up, I have issues with the definition of "crime" as this vague category that could basically mean anything violent and illegal. The problem with a vague definition is there are so many different motives/types of violent crime, some of which probably wouldn't be deterred. I'm not sure that these statistics take that into account.

For weapons to be a deterrent, the perpetrator must care about their well being. For example, I can see the logic behind handguns deterring something like a mugging, because one committing that crime wants to stay alive. However, a crime like a school shooting, seems completely different than other types of violent crime in the sense that these are cases where someone snaps, and basically has no regard for themselves or anyone else. In many of these cases the person ends up committing suicide anyway. Are you seriously suggesting that someone like this is going to be deterred by a handgun, when they're already willing to die?

I'm also not entirely sure if a teacher with a gun is going to be very effective in stopping a school shooting because they would probably lack the training to be preventative. I mean police officers and military people go through training on how to use their weapons that civilians don't. It's not like teachers are going to be learning how to get a head shot on a moving target or something like that.

I don't think this is an issue where we can just look at simple statistics and go "well, you're right."

A lot of good points here.

I agree that some people won't be deterred by the risk of dying, although I think some other people would be deterred. I also believe that a lot of people that commit suicide after a crime may not have planned on dying beforehand, and it was an impulse decision.

And yes, you did mention possible negative repercussions of this situation. I am, however, under the belief that this will prevent certain shootings from happening, and so I believe the gain outweighs the loss.

A lot of the negative aspects you mentioned lead me to the decision that police with metal detectors at every entrance is a better solution. What is your opinion on this?

[chaosB4storm]

Guns facilitate the urge that much is obvious. Not only that but there's obvious security risks with regards to accidents.

You're right. I am not going to claim that this idea is a flawless one, but I do believe the benefits outweigh the detriments.

[ArmedROBery]

1) in a safe - can't hurt anything, can it?
2) No.
3) This is the reason I think it is a better solution to have metal detectors and cops at every entrance to the school.

The problem with the bolded is that it is very hard for you to prove that the greater risk of being killed won't prevent people from even pondering a shooting.

Agreed. And if it stretches the police force's men, have at least SOMEONE there and watching.

I side with Togepi, who was a few posts back. Once a kid has decided to go through with a violent act, he doesn't have much concern for his well being. The threat of being shot at by an untrained teacher isn't going to stop him. Too much possiblility for accidents. Let the police handle a violent situation, not teachers.

I think arming teachers is putting gun usage in the wrong context. Of course, they can be used for self-defense. But in this case, guns are being used as a threat to a kid's life, in the name of deterring crime. I don't feel that a majority of kids should be held under that looming, volatile threat just because there has been a handful of major school shootings in the past. A gun is no way to prevent theft, petty crimes, etc. within a school. Discipline and harsh punishments can be used for that.

As for preventing gun violence, I support metal detectors, minor police presence within/near a school, random locker checks. Those are just a few off the top of my head.

[chaosB4storm]

I have a perfect example: last night I was at a party where everyone was getting trashed. I stopped after a few beers because I wanted to go home at like 2 AM, because I knew that today was one of the last days I could sleep in for awhile. Anywho, this one chick who I worked with brought her four year old kid and she told us that we weren't allowed to say we we drinking beer or whatever, we were drinking "soda" instead. So, he kept running around to everyone asking them how their "soda" was. My girlfriend, who doesn't really like beer, was drinking some Boon's Farm and the kid came up to her and asked her if he could have a sip of "blue soda." After my gf told him that he couldn't have some he started throwing a fit.

Long analogy short: kids are curious of what they cannot get their hands on. I have been dying to try some Lucid, the legal absinthe, but it's fucking expensive ($75) and I am not 21. Kids are more likely to do something if they see adults doing it as if it were the right thing to do, like the twenty five underage drinkers last night to the mind of a 4 year old.

The people at your party are drinking their drinks. Teachers will only be firing their guns to save lives (which in all likelihood is never), so that is what I would say is the difference.
Wouldn't it also promote the safe use of firearms? Wouldn't it promote people wanting to defend themselves in their own homes? I think it can promote more good than bad.

[chaosB4storm]

Agreed. And if it stretches the police force's men, have at least SOMEONE there and watching.

I side with Togepi, who was a few posts back. Once a kid has decided to go through with a violent act, he doesn't have much concern for his well being. The threat of being shot at by an untrained teacher isn't going to stop him. Too much possiblility for accidents. Let the police handle a violent situation, not teachers.

I think arming teachers is putting gun usage in the wrong context. Of course, they can be used for self-defense. But in this case, guns are being used as a threat to a kid's life, in the name of deterring crime. I don't feel that a majority of kids should be held under that looming, volatile threat just because there has been a handful of major school shootings in the past. A gun is no way to prevent theft, petty crimes, etc. within a school. Discipline and harsh punishments can be used for that.

As for preventing gun violence, I support metal detectors, minor police presence within/near a school, random locker checks. Those are just a few off the top of my head.

Fair enough. We have enough of an agreement for me...

[BlinkinDuke]

A lot of the negative aspects you mentioned lead me to the decision that police with metal detectors at every entrance is a better solution. What is your opinion on this?

Fuck that shit. I went through having cops and metal detectors, its a load of shit because they also feel they have the right to go through our bags because you have a skateboard, visible tattoos, or any other bullshit reason. Its also not fun to go through airport security just to show up to school

[June_Bug]

Thats in the dallas area I think. Thats one place in texas that you don't want to be in. Thats the one place where the texan sterotype if fairly accurate.

[TxRepresent]

Leave it to Texas to come up with the stupidest shit ever.

It was actually done in Ohio first, so you can thank them for setting the bar.

[chaosB4storm]

Fuck that shit. I went through having cops and metal detectors, its a load of shit because they also feel they have the right to go through our bags because you have a skateboard, visible tattoos, or any other bullshit reason. Its also not fun to go through airport security just to show up to school

I realise that it isn't fun. I am not interested in adding metal detectors for the benefit of entertainment. It's meant for safety.

The police and metal detectors should be at the edge of the property, and not at the entrance to the building. This important difference should make it possible to lock the doors of the school before the shooter can get in.

[TxRepresent]

At least the opposition has some substance to their argument...

I know that having one or two officers on my high school campus helped keep crime down. There is no need for an officer in every classroom that is just ridiculous, 3 or 4 for the bigger districts seems reasonable, but I do not think that teachers need to be touting pistols in their desks. I know it would not make me feel any more safe.

[TxRepresent]

Thats in the dallas area I think. Thats one place in texas that you don't want to be in. Thats the one place where the texan sterotype if fairly accurate.

LOL I don't even know where to start with this. All of the unfortunate times I've been to Houston I know that I've felt less at ease than any time I've ever been in Dallas. Also, I'm pretty sure Houston fits the oil pumping cowboy hat wearing lifestyle a bit more than Dallas. Ft. Worth is a different story but Dallas is nothing like Ft. Worth.

[loveisdead]

One onsite policemen/armed security guard per school (obviously more in larger colleges) is a better idea.
Absolutely. This is the best way of going about it. I can't even believe people are trying to argue in favor of this.

[loveisdead]

His answers are pissing me off to no end, but at least he's being straight foward.

[loveisdead]

Osama Bin Laden isn't allowed to take thousands of lives but Bush is? Get the fuck out of here, John.

[captainhampton]

haha wrong thread

[loveisdead]

hahahahaha whoops, i suck.

[thespearkid]

The people at your party are drinking their drinks. Teachers will only be firing their guns to save lives (which in all likelihood is never), so that is what I would say is the difference.
Wouldn't it also promote the safe use of firearms? Wouldn't it promote people wanting to defend themselves in their own homes? I think it can promote more good than bad.
lol at firing guns to save lives.

[June_Bug]

LOL I don't even know where to start with this. All of the unfortunate times I've been to Houston I know that I've felt less at ease than any time I've ever been in Dallas. Also, I'm pretty sure Houston fits the oil pumping cowboy hat wearing lifestyle a bit more than Dallas. Ft. Worth is a different story but Dallas is nothing like Ft. Worth.

You know what I have to agree with you on that one. Houston, is on that fine line. but the last time I went to Dallas, it made me hate this state even more than being in Houston. (except for austin because I alway enjoy myself when I go there. go UT!) But I think Dallas takes the cake on this one. Thats my thoughts on it. Houston is up there on that line with Dallas, I hate them both the same.

[open mind]

cops in every classroom and armed teachers are both horrible ideas.
maybe i'm a idiot but i'll take a little insecurity over a police state any day of the week.

[Nevuk]

The history of shootings shows that your trust is misplaced.
History of shootings? What are you talking about? I see no reason to give deadly authority to a group known for misuse of other authority

[Matthew]

See if the little shits still chew gum during class when Ms. Applebum is packing a glock in the pencil drawer.

[CstrzRock]

I'd hate to catch one of these teachers on a bad day.

[Neo Cassady]

I would NEVER work in a district that allowed this. Ridiculous.

[chaosB4storm]

History of shootings? What are you talking about? I see no reason to give deadly authority to a group known for misuse of other authority

What you're sayig now is different than trusting a random selection of teenagers more than teachers.

[Nevuk]

What you're sayig now is different than trusting a random selection of teenagers more than teachers.
I do trust a random selection of teenagers more than teachers.

[Nevuk]

Come on, minors in this country are the very last class its ok to publicly oppress. Its like we're trying to protect them from themselves is the way the excuse always goes.