Don't Forget

[NicoleC]

Election Day is less than a month away. Don't forget to register to vote!

[LoyalSubject]

Already voted, lets here it for Absentee ballots.

[musical monkey]

some states have their deadline for registering this weekend or it just passed.

[noiamnotamember]

it's amazing because election day is my birthday.

[k0d1ak]

Fuck that shit, Ralph Nader isn't even on the fucking ballot in Virginia. I'll probably still vote, just put a write in, but this is fucking disgusting in a "representative democracy".

[AnonomusVsCA]

Fuck that shit, Ralph Nader isn't even on the fucking ballot in Virginia. I'll probably still vote, just put a write in, but this is fucking disgusting in a "representative democracy".

voting for nader is a waste of a vote. there is no way he can win, so it is just splitting votes between him and kerry and bush will come back for another four.

[JVAUGHAN]

I love how a lot of people today are so anti-bush, beucase it's Trendy. I would hope people would understand the issues & where the canidates stand. Before they vote.

[Phil507]

I love how a lot of people today are so anti-bush, beucase it's Trendy. I would hope people would understand the issues & where the canidates stand. Before they vote.

They're not anti-Bush because it's trendy, they're anti-Bush because he's a moron and the country has gone to shit with him in office.

[OnLegendary21]

They're not anti-Bush because it's trendy, they're anti-Bush because he's a moron and the country has gone to shit with him in office.

Yea, alot of people aren't likein' us because of that guy.

[nud0]

I'm registered, I'm ready for this shit.

[ZeoVGM]

They're not anti-Bush because it's trendy, they're anti-Bush because he's a moron and the country has gone to shit with him in office.

If only that was true. It's not. At all.

And voting for Nader is fucking stupid.

[Atticus887]

Those 'trendy' anti-Bush guys better catch up.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/09/30/electoral.map/index.html

Bush - 301 Kerry - 237

[k0d1ak]

voting for nader is a waste of a vote. there is no way he can win, so it is just splitting votes between him and kerry and bush will come back for another four.

Hey sorry man, my bad for wanting something better for our country. I mean perhaps you are perfectly content with having an A or B choice but I personally don't care to be told who to vote for, or what to vote on. If the major party candidates share the same opinion on an issue, say allowing the federal government to continue its policy of bullying state governments into giving up their state rights (see the alcohol age... The reason every state has set it to 21 is because if they don't then the Government with-holds massive amounts of money for transportation infrastructure) then I am shit out of luck voting for A or B. Granted A,B, or C vote isn't perfect its infinitely better than an A or B and the only way we change this two party atrocity is by proving that voting for a "third party" is not a wasted vote. Truth be told I don't really believe Nader would be that great of a president, but he tends to be the most viable third party candidate... well he is until the Democrats make sure he isn't even on the ballot.

Edit: Zeo, go suck a fuck.

[AnonomusVsCA]

Hey sorry man, my bad for wanting something better for our country. I mean perhaps you are perfectly content with having an A or B choice but I personally don't care to be told who to vote for, or what to vote on. If the major party candidates share the same opinion on an issue, say allowing the federal government to continue its policy of bullying state governments into giving up their state rights (see the alcohol age... The reason every state has set it to 21 is because if they don't then the Government with-holds massive amounts of money for transportation infrastructure) then I am shit out of luck voting for A or B. Granted A,B, or C vote isn't perfect its infinitely better than an A or B and the only way we change this two party atrocity is by proving that voting for a "third party" is not a wasted vote. Truth be told I don't really believe Nader would be that great of a president, but he tends to be the most viable third party candidate... well he is until the Democrats make sure he isn't even on the ballot.

Edit: Zeo, go suck a fuck.
go vote for nader. id love to see how much more shit bush can fuck up in another four years.

[noiamnotamember]

i like how most of the people interested in all of this are kids under the age of 18, and can't vote.

[BeltsvilleMadma]

I'm sayin, if I was 18 and the candidate for the Marijuana reform party was on the ballot then he'd get my vote.

[Wubby]

They're not anti-Bush because it's trendy, they're anti-Bush because he's a moron and the country has gone to shit with him in office.

In spite of what many people think, it's my opinion that no matter who is voted into office that the world is just going to get worse. It's inevitable, and simply true. I'll never vote.

kade

[JIMMYateEARTH]

Any one who thinks Kerry would make a good president is ignorant and dosen't deserve a vote. Bush may not be the greatest of men but is deffinatly the lesser of 2 evils. Remember the point of a deomcratic country is NOT to vote aganist some one but for someone.

and anyone who can tell me where Kerry acctually stands on a subject please tell me cause he isn't even sure him self.

[KarolaBloch]

i registered... to vote for BUSH! ahhaha.

yeah voting for nader is a waste of a vote.

[wakepunk]

I love how a lot of people today are so anti-bush, beucase it's Trendy. I would hope people would understand the issues & where the canidates stand. Before they vote.

I know the issues, where each candidate stands on them, and how much of a downturn the US has taken since Bush took office, and that's why I'm voting for Kerry. It scares me to think that if Bush is re-elected, American's will still be able to own assault rifles, abortion will become illegal, gay marriage could possibly be banned by the Constitution (though the bill keeps dying in the House, which is good), and the draft will be reinstated. I don't want any of that to happen.

I've also already voted by absentee ballot. When I turned 18, I was excited because I knew I could finally vote...I just wish the rest of the kids in my generation were as excited about voting as I am...

[left_punk]

"Don't vote, It only encourages them"

http://www.infoshop.org/voting.html

http://www.votenoone04.com/index2.html

[aminorthreat55]

voting for nader is a waste of a vote. there is no way he can win, so it is just splitting votes between him and kerry and bush will come back for another four.

Actually its not a waste of a vote unless you live in a swing state. For example, here in Maryland, Kerry will carry the state and win the ten electoral votes, so why does it really matter, he is going to win the state, so it doesn't matter if I were to vote for Nader. Same with a state that Bush will win. So unless you live in a swing state, vote for whoever the fuck you want.

[aminorthreat55]

I love how a lot of people today are so anti-bush, beucase it's Trendy. I would hope people would understand the issues & where the canidates stand. Before they vote.

I've been hating George Bush since early 2001 and had more than sufficient reasons and used to get shit for it all the time, so fuck off.

[falloutncambria]

voting can suck my dick

[em0_stars]

Bush is better than kerry. There i said it!

and i know im gonna get bashed for it too.

but hey i support who i support

[alias bean]

Any one who thinks Kerry would make a good president is ignorant and dosen't deserve a vote. Bush may not be the greatest of men but is deffinatly the lesser of 2 evils. Remember the point of a deomcratic country is NOT to vote aganist some one but for someone.

and anyone who can tell me where Kerry acctually stands on a subject please tell me cause he isn't even sure him self.

thank you thank you thank you... someone who actually has an ounce of intelligence. as much as i don't think either of the candidates are capable of running this country i whole heartedly believe that people are voting for Kerry based soley on the fact that "he's not George Bush." do any of you people that are voting for Kerry actually know where he stands on anything?

[UndefinedBoy]

Any one who thinks Kerry would make a good president is ignorant and dosen't deserve a vote.

You're an idiot.

[resUrectMe617]

i wish i could vote. this sucks. vice presidential debate this week =)

[Flags of Dawn]

i have yet to hear someone give me a good reason to vote for kerry without the word "bush" or "the president" come out.

[Driveitthrough]

i have yet to hear someone give me a good reason to vote for kerry without the word "bush" or "the president" come out.

very true.

[ericcombat]

but by voting for nader, you show that you dont want either of those assholes in office. always picking the lesser of 2 evils wont get us anywhere.

[MistaChang]

Any one who thinks Kerry would make a good president is ignorant and dosen't deserve a vote.

So you're saying nobody has the right to disagree with your almighty opinion? That no American deserves the right to vote so long as they're voting against what YOU believe in? That's digusting, you should be posting on a pro-bush elitist forum with a mouth like that.

It's funny because unlike what you've said, it's comments like yours that prove to us that most of the people who vote for Bush are drowning in a big fat tank of their own ignorance. Watch what he does to our country in the next 4 years if re-elected and you'll be denying that you ever voted to place the illiterate chimpanzee back in the white house.

[LoyalSubject]

I love how a lot of people today are so anti-bush, beucase it's Trendy. I would hope people would understand the issues & where the canidates stand. Before they vote.
Its either Anit-Bush or Anti-Kerry, You have to vote for one of them and there are only 2 choices.

[aminorthreat55]

So you're saying nobody has the right to disagree with your almighty opinion? That no American deserves the right to vote so long as they're voting against what YOU believe in? That's digusting, you should be posting on a pro-bush elitist forum with a mouth like that.

It's funny because unlike what you've said, it's comments like yours that prove to us that most of the people who vote for Bush are drowning in a big fat tank of their own ignorance. Watch what he does to our country in the next 4 years if re-elected and you'll be denying that you ever voted to place the illiterate chimpanzee back in the white house.
:appl:

[thesego211]

Yea, alot of people aren't likein' us because of that guy.
democrats today are like that one girl in high school that wants so badly to be liked. so she starts doing stupid stuff to gain the acceptance of the "cool" kids. stop and think for a second guys. is that the most important thing for our country? to be liked by other countries that are still decades behind us in terms of technology and human rights? the afformentioned reason for hating bush is just about the worst reason you could give

[Smileyjoe]

People keep saying that they don't know where Kerry stands on issues, I'm just wondering what issues you're curious about. I think that if you're informed and have looked over the party platform it's pretty clear.

And further, on the whole "flip-flopping" thing, every politician changes their opinions, that's part of what blows about politics. For example, anyone remember in the 2000 election when Bush was saying that the US wouldn't do any "nation building" during his term? This is an exmple of where perhaps flip-flopping isn't a negative thing but just a sign of an adaptability that so often government is lacking.

[MistaChang]

People keep saying that they don't know where Kerry stands on issues, I'm just wondering what issues you're curious about. I think that if you're informed and have looked over the party platform it's pretty clear.

And further, on the whole "flip-flopping" thing, every politician changes their opinions, that's part of what blows about politics. For example, anyone remember in the 2000 election when Bush was saying that the US wouldn't do any "nation building" during his term? This is an exmple of where perhaps flip-flopping isn't a negative thing but just a sign of an adaptability that so often government is lacking.

EXACTLY. Anyone happen to see that segment on the daily show quite some time ago where they placed former governer bush vs. president bush in a video-clip montage debate? That's a great example of Bush doing exactly what everyone bashes on Kerry for. You can't say Kerry stands for nothing, that's just ignorance, and it really just proves that you just don't have the motivation to discover more about the candidate in question.

This may help to refresh your memory. http://lair.xent.com/pipermail/fork/2003-April/020521.html

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/3/7/213753/1954

[em0_stars]

i have yet to hear someone give me a good reason to vote for kerry without the word "bush" or "the president" come out.


o0o yes yes good point made

[untitled]

...by other countries that are still decades behind us in terms of technology and human rights? the afformentioned reason for hating bush is just about the worst reason you could give

really? decades behind in terms of technology and human rights? where do we get all our tech shit from? oh yea...japan. and we're so far ahead in human rights too! capital punishment is epitome of human rights!

[tbsrocks820]

first off voting for a third party isnt a waste. if enough people do it over time then we will have a three party system which is all the better.

also kerrys big point at the debate was that he would get other countries to help back the war in iraq. what a moron, bush has already tried that a few times. just because its a different president that doesnt mean they will all of a sudden change their opinions. then he will end up exactly in the same situation that bush is in.

[JohnSR]

listen here is the deal what will john kerry do with terrorist attacks, the same thing clinton did JACK SHIT. bush is going to protect the country, and when it comes down to it i dont want to be killed because the president that is in office want to fight a "peacefull war on terror" terrorists purpose is to kill and terrorize the only thing they resopond to is what bush is doing.

When it comes downt to it, if u are voting for kerry cuz of his stance on abortion or something like that then look at the big picture because they wont have the right to choose if they are dead in a terrorist attack.

so whatever vote for who you want but i would rather have my family and myself safe and alive than to vote for the president that cool bands are voting for

[MistaChang]

first off voting for a third party isnt a waste. if enough people do it over time then we will have a three party system which is all the better.

also kerrys big point at the debate was that he would get other countries to help back the war in iraq. what a moron, bush has already tried that a few times. just because its a different president that doesnt mean they will all of a sudden change their opinions. then he will end up exactly in the same situation that bush is in.

Actually, you're the moron. Bush has never been successful because very few countries trust his leadership, and for good reasons. He went into Iraq without the support of anyone and then scrambled for aid from other countries. Under a different president like Kerry, whom most other countries are incredibly supportive of, they'll recognize the fact that he would be entering office and receiving a burden which he did not create but instead was left with by our inept current president. Though he may think Iraq was a "colossal flaw in our president's judgement" as he's stated before, he understands the fact that he just can't ditch the effort there and leave it a failed attempt in our country's name. His position is that if it's something he'll have to deal with, he'll deal with it with conviction to the cause and he'll step up to the plate to fix what Bush started.

And actually, yes, a change in our administration would provide us with a large amount of new allies in our efforts, I'm just not so sure that I have much faith in our country to make the right decision so we can see things improve...

[AlkTrio205]

Despite what Jason Tate and Fat Mike tell you, John Kerry isn't the answer.

Voting for a third-party or independent candidate is not a waste.

I do find it rather humorous that people in the "punk" community actually promote voting for a lesser-of-evils that voting for who you believe in.

"Change takes time."

[JIMMYateEARTH]

Hey Mista Chang , you poor poor misguided fool, it is obvisosly you who are the illterate one in my previous post I said that it was my opinion and that I am using it, and that others should use theres when casting thier votes, not mine. belive in what you want. make your own decsions don't let people tell you who to vote for; not TV, radio, our all the idiots on this site.

Bush had to go to change his views from when he was elected, if you will recall 2 very large buildings fell and changed how everything was going. but unlike his opponent, the TAN in a CAN, BOTOX man, changes is views when it is conveniant, in the Debate he said that the soldiers didn't have the top notch armor they need and have to get them for birthday presents from thier familys, he forgot mention that in the SENATE he voted AGAINST that bill to give that armor to them so where does he stand ????? Ask the Ketchup Bitch maybe she knows.

[I am all talk]

in any other year i would be 100 % for the voting of 3rd party canidates because 2 choices can't represent everyone. But after seeing the nation dive into a pile of shit following the 2000 elections, the importance of getting a new president in couldnt be clearer.

[AlkTrio205]

(point flying)

(your head)

[MistaChang]

Hey Mista Chang , you poor poor misguided fool, it is obvisosly you who are the illterate one in my previous post I said that it was my opinion and that I am using it, and that others should use theres when casting thier votes, not mine. belive in what you want. make your own decsions don't let people tell you who to vote for; not TV, radio, our all the idiots on this site.

Bush had to go to change his views from when he was elected, if you will recall 2 very large buildings fell and changed how everything was going. but unlike his opponent, the TAN in a CAN, BOTOX man, changes is views when it is conveniant, in the Debate he said that the soldiers didn't have the top notch armor they need and have to get them for birthday presents from thier familys, he forgot mention that in the SENATE he voted AGAINST that bill to give that armor to them so where does he stand ????? Ask the Ketchup Bitch maybe she knows.

Haha... "you who are the illterate one". (1) ILLITERATE, is spelled just like that. Study it. Learn it. Know it. Maybe someday you'll be as educated as our current president. (2) You have an opinion. By stating that anyone who votes for Kerry "does not deserve to vote" shows your inability to accept the fact that OTHERS like myself have one as well. Like I said, go post on an elitist forum that'll accept your ramblings about how your opinion on the election is more important than everyone else's. (3) If I'm not mistaken, 9/11 didn't turn our country into a complete foreign land, that is, unless I've been living under a very big rock. The biggest terrorist attack on our country didn't even "change the way everything was going", cause as I recall, life right now is quite the same as it was before, the only major difference now is that we're involved in a war sparked by 9/11 but not even directly related to it. We were attacked by Afghani terrorists so we declare war on Iraq! Iraq, who had absoloutely no connection with Al Qaeda. There's more but my hands are tired and I feel it's not even worth my time to reply to your uneducated banterings.

[left_punk]

Despite what Jason Tate and Fat Mike tell you, John Kerry isn't the answer.

Voting for a third-party or independent candidate is not a waste.

I do find it rather humorous that people in the "punk" community actually promote voting for a lesser-of-evils that voting for who you believe in.

"Change takes time."
Speaking of Punkvoter (not really, I just wanted to bring it up) Here's an article about it from Counterpunch (http://www.counterpunch.org/) called "How PunkVoter.Com Became Just Another Tool of the Democrats" (http://www.counterpunch.org/evans06102004.html)

Oh yeah , heres a book you all should check out, its called "Dime's Worth Of Difference: Beyond The Lesser Of Two Evils" You can find at your local, independently owned ,radical bookstore or you can purchase it here (http://www.akpress.org/dosearch.php?itemid=4821)

[JIMMYateEARTH]

Chang this is my last reply to this dead horse then I am gonna go pray for you. I missed one letter in Illiterate so that proves nothing. I can read just fine that has nothing to do with spelling any way . . . My previous statement about Kerry and those willing to vote for him was just my opinion on those people I am glad people will vote for him it just makes me feel that much smarter. I support Our fine president though he might not be the brightest bulb in the box Kerry would have this counrty going down faster than your mom would on any random guy she meets. SO get over your self and when you grow up you can vote for who ever you want, and the best part is no one can stop you. Say YEAH for Democracy.

I HOPE PEOPLE WILL USE ONLY WHAT THEY HEAR THE CANIDATES THEM SELF'S SAY TO HELP THEM DETERMINE WHO TO CAST THIER VOTE FOR.

[aminorthreat55]

first off voting for a third party isnt a waste. if enough people do it over time then we will have a three party system which is all the better.

also kerrys big point at the debate was that he would get other countries to help back the war in iraq. what a moron, bush has already tried that a few times. just because its a different president that doesnt mean they will all of a sudden change their opinions. then he will end up exactly in the same situation that bush is in.

Well, its different with Bush, he basically went "No, we don't need YOUR help! We're going to do it like this!" and therefore they didn't go with him.

[aminorthreat55]

listen here is the deal what will john kerry do with terrorist attacks, the same thing clinton did JACK SHIT. bush is going to protect the country, and when it comes down to it i dont want to be killed because the president that is in office want to fight a "peacefull war on terror" terrorists purpose is to kill and terrorize the only thing they resopond to is what bush is doing.

When it comes downt to it, if u are voting for kerry cuz of his stance on abortion or something like that then look at the big picture because they wont have the right to choose if they are dead in a terrorist attack.

so whatever vote for who you want but i would rather have my family and myself safe and alive than to vote for the president that cool bands are voting for

So it looks like you have a lifetime subscription to the culture of fear?

[aminorthreat55]

Despite what Jason Tate and Fat Mike tell you, John Kerry isn't the answer.

Voting for a third-party or independent candidate is not a waste.

I do find it rather humorous that people in the "punk" community actually promote voting for a lesser-of-evils that voting for who you believe in.

"Change takes time."

Actually, I've been pushing the vote for who you believe in on all the political posts on the main page for a while now, but yeah, good call.

[TheBlueChannel]

Vote for Bush. Kerry is full of himself and Bush is just better at what he does.

[AlkTrio205]

Actually, I've been pushing the vote for who you believe in on all the political posts on the main page for a while now, but yeah, good call.

Yeah, becuase the amount of anti-Bush "news" and anti-Kerry "news" is equal here.

And there isn't a Kerry/Edwards '04 link on the main page at all times.

[aminorthreat55]

Yeah, becuase the amount of anti-Bush "news" and anti-Kerry "news" is equal here.

And there isn't a Kerry/Edwards '04 link on the main page at all times.

Thats very true about the link, but the majority of political posts are actually not biased until the replies, for example, the posts on the main page are "Don't forget to watch the debate tonight" or "Election Day is less than a month away. Don't forget to register to vote!", so . . .

[AlkTrio205]

What are you people going to do when (if he wins) Kerry fails and the Republicans get back into office in '08?

What's worse, having Republicans in power through '12 with a break or having them in power through '08?

Why not begin the push for real change now instead of fighting for a "change" that will ultimately have very little impact?

Psuedo-liberal America.

Oy.

[JIMMYateEARTH]

as impossibe as it is I try not to see the canadate's as Rep. or Dem. but as two men both fighting for a Job, a very important job. I wish thier wern't party's only canadates

[UndefinedBoy]

democrats today are like that one girl in high school that wants so badly to be liked. so she starts doing stupid stuff to gain the acceptance of the "cool" kids. stop and think for a second guys. is that the most important thing for our country? to be liked by other countries that are still decades behind us in terms of technology and human rights? the afformentioned reason for hating bush is just about the worst reason you could give

And Republicans are like that bitchy girl whos willing to step over anyone to make sure she gets her way, and to hell what everyone else thinks because she's hot and by far the most popular! (That's my dumb analogy to go along with your equally idiotic one)

When the a huge part of the world views your country as the land of the ignorant there is a problem. If you can't understand that it just goes to show the world is probably right.

[JohnSR]

So it looks like you have a lifetime subscription to the culture of fear?
no i am just realistic about the fact that bush knows what to do and kerry would fuck us all over

[TENCopeland]

I love how people think it's a new thing that the rest of the world doesn't like us. I'm sorry but that is not new, we are at THE top world power. with that title, not many people are going to like you. either you interfere too much or too little, people are never happy. And I like how it was said that Republicans stomp on anyone to get whatever they want, it's not like every politician does it. Lieberman was the only Democrat worth voting for.

[aminorthreat55]

no i am just realistic about the fact that bush knows what to do and kerry would fuck us all over

Right because Bush hasn't fucked us over already?
Lost whatever respect we had in the world community, check.
First president since Hoover (Great Depression) to leave office with fewer jobs than he started with, check.
Inherit largest surplus ever, finish term with largest deficit ever, check.
Ignore separation of church and state, check.
I've had a rough day and don't feel like continuing, but yeah.

[Atticus887]

Not sure if you guys realize this, but you're repeating yourselves like crazy

[aminorthreat55]

Not sure if you guys realize this, but you're repeating yourselves like crazy

Yeah I realize it. Sometimes that necessary for people to get what you're talking about.

[CyberInferno]

Actually its not a waste of a vote unless you live in a swing state. For example, here in Maryland, Kerry will carry the state and win the ten electoral votes, so why does it really matter, he is going to win the state, so it doesn't matter if I were to vote for Nader. Same with a state that Bush will win. So unless you live in a swing state, vote for whoever the fuck you want.
Same thing's true in Texas. Gee, I wonder who's going to win here...

[Mattkoon8]

People keep saying that they don't know where Kerry stands on issues, I'm just wondering what issues you're curious about. I think that if you're informed and have looked over the party platform it's pretty clear.

And further, on the whole "flip-flopping" thing, every politician changes their opinions, that's part of what blows about politics. For example, anyone remember in the 2000 election when Bush was saying that the US wouldn't do any "nation building" during his term? This is an exmple of where perhaps flip-flopping isn't a negative thing but just a sign of an adaptability that so often government is lacking.

11 different positions on the war in iraq... c'mon, youre not serious are you? yes politicians change their mind on a few things, no one is doubting that. but no one can explain the flip flops kerry himself cannot explain. hes been on the wrong side of history forever and NOW hes supposed to be right??? please... Kerry's voting record (http://www.vote-smart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=S0421103 ) check it out for yourself (it may take some research so be ready)

[Mattkoon8]

EXACTLY. Anyone happen to see that segment on the daily show quite some time ago where they placed former governer bush vs. president bush in a video-clip montage debate? That's a great example of Bush doing exactly what everyone bashes on Kerry for. You can't say Kerry stands for nothing, that's just ignorance, and it really just proves that you just don't have the motivation to discover more about the candidate in question.

This may help to refresh your memory. http://lair.xent.com/pipermail/fork/2003-April/020521.html

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/3/7/213753/1954

dude, its the DAILY SHOW. dont tell me thats your news source

[Mattkoon8]

really? decades behind in terms of technology and human rights? where do we get all our tech shit from? oh yea...japan. and we're so far ahead in human rights too! capital punishment is epitome of human rights!

japan is ONE country. why do we have to own up to a world of countries for our own sake. just like the u.s., all the other countries in the world have their best interests in mind, not the u.s.' another thing: kerry supports stem cell research. germany, italy, portugal, luxembourg, and austria all ban it. whats the world gonna think of us when kerry legalizes that? (btw, im definately against it and im not accusing you of being for it) People, please just realize that Kerry is THE most liberal senator we have in office today. if he's elected, expect more liberal ideaology from our government and POSSIBLY more hate from the rest of the world.

and i hope youre smart enough to realize that (no matter how inhumane it may seem) we need capital punishment. first, to set an example to the people that choose to commit murder and other high crimes. second, to keep our prison population low. you cannot simply keep mass murderes alive. after all, prison isnt the worst place in the world - free food, clothes, and recreational facilities. might as well send em to the electric chair afterwhich theyll end up in hell, where theyll really be punished (yes i believe in God, lets all gasp and make child-like jokes now)

[Mattkoon8]

Right because Bush hasn't fucked us over already?
Lost whatever respect we had in the world community, check.
First president since Hoover (Great Depression) to leave office with fewer jobs than he started with, check.
Inherit largest surplus ever, finish term with largest deficit ever, check.
Ignore separation of church and state, check.
I've had a rough day and don't feel like continuing, but yeah.

first, we never really had respect in the world community.
second, he hasnt left office yet and probably wont for another 4 years (btw - the amount of jobs continues to grow, check it out as of sept 3. jobs (http://stats.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm) )
third, wars cost money and will always cost more than prior wars and such because of inflation and the rising costs of technology and military operations.
what exactly has bush done to ignore the seperation of church and state? (first off, God and the church were foundations for which this country was built on so dont give me that shit. second, just because he recieves guidance from prayers to God doesnt mean hes fucked us over - for you, ill say go read The Case for a Creater by Lee Strobel. its a book based in common sense, not biblical passages or scripts... it may change your mind about a few things)

[aminorthreat55]

first, we never really had respect in the world community.
second, he hasnt left office yet and probably wont for another 4 years (btw - the amount of jobs continues to grow, check it out as of sept 3. jobs (http://stats.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm) )
third, wars cost money and will always cost more than prior wars and such because of inflation and the rising costs of technology and military operations.
what exactly has bush done to ignore the seperation of church and state? (first off, God and the church were foundations for which this country was built on so dont give me that shit. second, just because he recieves guidance from prayers to God doesnt mean hes fucked us over - for you, ill say go read The Case for a Creater by Lee Strobel... may change your mind about a few things)

Well, we had some (very little), but in countries like England, Austrailia, etc.
That fact is per term, not per presidency, so by the end of this term. And oh by the way, the way the economy works, 125,000 new people are entered into the job force every month, so if you do the math, thats a guaranteed 6 million new jobs in 4 years without really creating any new jobs. And the calculations for unemployment are bullshit anyways, because a person who hasn't had a job in over 4 weeks doesn't count, but a person who hasn't had a job in 3 weeks does, messed up, but so is the government.
Of course God and the church were foundations of this country, but that doesn't mean its right for him to use it as an excuse for things, or to run around saying God chose him to have this job, and that such and such is against what God wanted, therefore he needs to do this about it etc. I believe in God and my moms a fucking priest, I know what the story is, I don't need a fucking book written by some guy to tell me what I believe or what anyone else believes.

[aminorthreat55]

dude, its the DAILY SHOW. dont tell me thats your news source

Maybe its the daily show, but everything George W. Bush says in those clips is 100% true and he has said them. Also, people who watch the Daily Show know more about politics than people who watch Jay Leno, David Letterman, or read the newspaper 4 times a day. CNN did a survey on it.

[Mattkoon8]

Well, we had some (very little), but in countries like England, Austrailia, etc.
That fact is per term, not per presidency, so by the end of this term. And oh by the way, the way the economy works, 125,000 new people are entered into the job force every month, so if you do the math, thats a guaranteed 6 million new jobs in 4 years without really creating any new jobs. And the calculations for unemployment are bullshit anyways, because a person who hasn't had a job in over 4 weeks doesn't count, but a person who hasn't had a job in 3 weeks does, messed up, but so is the government.
Of course God and the church were foundations of this country, but that doesn't mean its right for him to use it as an excuse for things, or to run around saying God chose him to have this job, and that such and such is against what God wanted, therefore he needs to do this about it etc. I believe in God and my moms a fucking priest, I know what the story is, I don't need a fucking book written by some guy to tell me what I believe or what anyone else believes.

well then you should realize that God DID choose that position for bush? if you beleive in God then you realize that God has a meaning for all of us and bush simply meant that this was his place.

but whats your point with that rant about jobs? on top of all of this is the fact that a president has very little effect on the creation of jobs, thats common sense. BUT what bush has done for jobs and the economy, is that he has created a large tax cut that benefits all people (not just the middle class). the tax cut in turn gives people more money to spend, more spending means higher demand for products (supply and demand), which means more jobs to create that higher demand for supplies, and round n round we go.

i also think that the government is fucked up. in fact i think we need LESS government, which is part of the reason im voting republican.

[Mattkoon8]

Maybe its the daily show, but everything George W. Bush says in those clips is 100% true and he has said them. Also, people who watch the Daily Show know more about politics than people who watch Jay Leno, David Letterman, or read the newspaper 4 times a day. CNN did a survey on it.

and whats your point here? i dont watch any of those news channels simply because they are biased and full of pessimism. what kerry has said and is saying in clips just like the daily shows is also true... but they put spin on it, they take comments out of context (sometimes and not all the time) to support a position or thesis.

[aminorthreat55]

well then you should realize that God DID choose that position for bush? if you beleive in God then you realize that God has a meaning for all of us and bush simply meant that this was his place.

but whats your point with that rant about jobs? on top of all of this is the fact that a president has very little effect on the creation of jobs, thats common sense. BUT what bush has done for jobs and the economy, is that he has created a large tax cut that benefits all people (not just the middle class). the tax cut in turn gives people more money to spend, more spending means higher demand for products (supply and demand), which means more jobs to create that higher demand for supplies, and round n round we go.

i also think that the government is fucked up. in fact i think we need LESS government, which is part of the reason im voting republican.

Yeah I realize that God chose him, but he doesn't need to run around telling everyone. In theory the tax cuts benefit all people in one way or another, but there are better ways than what he has done. Most of his tax cuts have been beneficial to the richest 10% of Americans, and especially to the richest 1% (estate tax, double taxation on dividends). If he stopped helping himself and his friends, like John Kerry said, neither he nor the president needs a tax break, and focused on giving more money to the working class, things would be better. We don't need to get into supply and demand, I took macroeconomics. It's also not necessarily less government, its just over the course of the history of this country, government has gone down the drain slowly through corruption and other stuff. Basically the system needs an overhaul in some areas, and thats not going to happen.

[aminorthreat55]

and whats your point here? i dont watch any of those news channels simply because they are biased and full of pessimism. what kerry has said and is saying in clips just like the daily shows is also true... but they put spin on it, they take comments out of context (sometimes and not all the time) to support a position or thesis.

Of course they're biased, I was just saying that just because its the Daily Show doesn't mean its bullshit.

[Mattkoon8]

Yeah I realize that God chose him, but he doesn't need to run around telling everyone. In theory the tax cuts benefit all people in one way or another, but there are better ways than what he has done. Most of his tax cuts have been beneficial to the richest 10% of Americans, and especially to the richest 1% (estate tax, double taxation on dividends). If he stopped helping himself and his friends, like John Kerry said, neither he nor the president needs a tax break, and focused on giving more money to the working class, things would be better. We don't need to get into supply and demand, I took macroeconomics. It's also not necessarily less government, its just over the course of the history of this country, government has gone down the drain slowly through corruption and other stuff. Basically the system needs an overhaul in some areas, and thats not going to happen.

but dont you see the problem with only giving those lower groups tax cuts... its unfair, plain and simple. i dont believe in giving money to people that havent earned it... ive said this stuff before and i dont know if youve heard it or not but people decide what happens in their lives and if they decided not to be educated, get to college, get a good job then thats their fault. I should not have to pay for their faults. tax cuts mean i am keeping MY earned money and NOT giving it to the "unfortunate" - or what the democrats have labeled them.

[aminorthreat55]

but dont you see the problem with only giving those lower groups tax cuts... its unfair, plain and simple. i dont believe in giving money to people that havent earned it... ive said this stuff before and i dont know if youve heard it or not but people decide what happens in their lives and if they decided not to be educated, get to college, get a good job then thats their fault. I should not have to pay for their faults. tax cuts mean i am keeping MY earned money and NOT giving it to the "unfortunate" - or what the democrats have labeled them.

Okay, you can be selfish and I'll be nice, thats fine by me. Also, some people just do not have the means to be educated well, go to college, etc. Let's not start arguing about that shit, but whatever.

[westsidas2000]

Fuck that shit, Ralph Nader isn't even on the fucking ballot in Virginia. I'll probably still vote, just put a write in, but this is fucking disgusting in a "representative democracy".
i hate to say this, but after hearing nader talk, i think he's a complete moron and i'd put his intelligence level about 10% higher than bush's.