Barack Obamas Vice president is Joe Biden

[cathywayer]

The drums are beating, speculation is rising. Is Joe Biden to be named our next Vice Presidential candidate?


http://www.webcastr.com/videos/politics/hope-history-obama-biden-08.html


This ad is amazing but i believe the official announcement is on August 20th


http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb149/BBIZV3/Obama-Biden08.jpg

[loveisdead]

I absolutely hope so.

[Mitch]

He said today he is not going to be the VP, but who knows.

[saysmydoctor]

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[unwritten]

haha

[Ailite]

I hope so, but that video. Haha.

[WarpSpeedChewy]

Keep in mind, Biden may be the choice and not know it. Obama hasn't told even the person he choose yet.

[MusicBox24]

Today, the rumor is that it's going to be John Kerry. Fucking fantastic.

[unwritten]

Please no.

[loveisdead]

There's no way he is going to pick Kerry. It wouldn't make any sense.

[mattybobviously]

It's gonna be Big Joe, I have faith. I wouldn't put it past him to say something like that, just for the hell of it.

[heartspelunker]

i wiiiiish. i've been refreshing the nytimes all morning. just announce it, obama!

[loveisdead]

I really hope it's Biden. And he better announce it soon.

[captainhampton]

rumor is it is Bayh. check out Drudge.

[mattybobviously]

If it is, not only have they picked a terrible running mate, but in a campaign that has been incredibly well put together design-wise, that's an absolutely hideous bumper sticker. Hoping that's not the case.

[captainhampton]

i don't know much about him. neither does the general public. what does he bring and what issues is he strong/weak on?

[mattybobviously]

He brings... Hillary supporters? He's pretty worthless, the left doesn't like him, he was a supporter of the war, does not connect with Obama's message what so ever and couldn't have a more opposite upbringing, there is nothing redeemable about Evan Bayh.

EDIT: He's kind of like Pawlenty, no one knows who the hell he is, issue-wise there isn't a lot there, and he can't speak. He's not risky, but he's boring as hell and there's no way his name is ending up in my front yard.

[Mitch]

http://drudgereport.com/obys.jpg

[WarpSpeedChewy]

I wouldn't put so much stock into it, or at lease not yet. Drudge is just reporting rumor for right now. It could just be some company being inpatient. Plus that sticker looks kind of fake. Not to mention none of the other news outlets aren't reporting it now.

[Nevuk]

Msnbc has a weird Sebellius reaction :
"No, no, no, no, no, no, no, nooooo," Kansas Gov. Kathleen Sebelius told reporters who asked for her latest thoughts on the months-long search.

[WarpSpeedChewy]

I wonder if this is some kind of bate to make Obama makes his announcement already.

[Khaos]

I suspect they drop the H bomb and pick Hilary!

[mattybobviously]

Msnbc has a weird Sebellius reaction :

That's odd, Sebelius has been like "We will see!" even today, must be just in bizarre context.

[Nevuk]

That's odd, Sebelius has been like "We will see!" even today, must be just in bizarre context.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26336195/

[wesgemm08]

If it isn't Biden, I'm not voting Barack.

[loveisdead]

If it isn't Biden, I'm not voting Barack.
What if he's given a position in the cabinet?

[loveisdead]

This is taking way too long to announce. It's pissing me off and is pretty stupid on Obama's part. Why wouldn't he announce this before the evening news?

[LastPlaceRocks]

If it isn't Biden, I'm not voting Barack.
You're voting for someone else on the basis of their VP choice?

[WarpSpeedChewy]

Something worth nothing: If this was true, don't you think the announcement would have go ahead and been made by now.

[WarpSpeedChewy]

If it isn't Biden, I'm not voting Barack.
Ultimately I'm voting for Barack Obama as president. VP is just something tagged along to it.

[loveisdead]

Something worth nothing: If this was true, don't you think the announcement would have go ahead and been made by now.
Wouldn't that apply to any possible VP choice? It's ridiculous that he hasn't announced it yet. I don't see the point in holding off so long after saying he would announce it today.

[WarpSpeedChewy]

Wouldn't that apply to any possible VP choice? It's ridiculous that he hasn't announced it yet. I don't see the point in holding off so long after saying he would announce it today.
Yeah but this the first time any sort of "evidence" has come up. He waiting so long so that the good buzz coming from it lets into the convention well.

[LastPlaceRocks]

Well it's that and right now the Presidential race is being overshadowed by the Olympics.

[loveisdead]

Yeah but this the first time any sort of "evidence" has come up. He waiting so long so that the good buzz coming from it lets into the convention well.
The biggest buzz right now is that he is appearing with whoever the VP is tomorrow. Announce it now and let's start getting people pumped to see the two together tomorrow.

[loveisdead]

Well it's that and right now the Presidential race is being overshadowed by the Olympics.
Still. Obama said it would be announced today, why wouldn't he stick to his word and just announce it? It's gonna do more harm than good.

[WarpSpeedChewy]

Well it's that and right now the Presidential race is being overshadowed by the Olympics.
Well I think they are on par with each other since the olympics are winding down a bit.

The biggest buzz right now is that he is appearing with whoever the VP is tomorrow. Announce it now and let's start getting people pumped to see the two together tomorrow.
Hey I want to know ASAP as well.

[LastPlaceRocks]

Still. Obama said it would be announced today, why wouldn't he stick to his word and just announce it? It's gonna do more harm than good.

No it won't. It's fine that you are impatient and want to know who the VP is (as do I), but how is not announcing today going to do more harm in the long-term?

[LastPlaceRocks]

Well I think they are on par with each other since the olympics are winding down a bit.
That's why we're finally hitting the point where it's a good time for both candidates to announce their VP selection; the race is going to start heating up again with the Olympics over and both conventions on the horizon.

[loveisdead]

No it won't. It's fine that you are impatient and want to know who the VP is (as do I), but how is not announcing today going to do more harm in the long-term?
It's just weird that he would tell people that he's going to announce it today and then not do it without any reasoning. If he didn't want to do it today then he should have said so earlier instead of getting everyone all riled up for nothing.

[LastPlaceRocks]

It's just weird that he would tell people that he's going to announce it today and then not do it without any reasoning. If he didn't want to do it today then he should have said so earlier instead of getting everyone all riled up for nothing.
Well one, there's still a lot of time in today for him to announce it; especially as the campaign is doing it via text message to its supporters. If it hits midnight, then maybe you have a qualm.

[loveisdead]

Well one, there's still a lot of time in today for him to announce it; especially as the campaign is doing it via text message to its supporters. If it hits midnight, then maybe you have a qualm.
But wouldn't it have been smarter to release it right before the prime time news networks went on? Then it would get more coverage.

[LastPlaceRocks]

Not really because with how they're using the event on Saturday, the DNC this week and the Olympics, they're going to get more coverage throughout the week. If you're the Obama campaign, the goal is to get as much coverage from this as possible.

[loveisdead]

Meh, agree to disagree. Isn't that big of a deal either way.

[LastPlaceRocks]

I'll take that - in the scheme of things, it's not a big deal.

[loveisdead]

Who are you pulling for to get it?

[wesgemm08]

Go to the live feed on cnn.com.. There is a crap load of people outside of Biden's house. If he isn't the candidate that is pretty ridiculous all the media that is there.

[wesgemm08]

NBC News: Sources say Bayh and Kaine received calls from Obama saying they are not VP candidate

[mattybobviously]

So happy right now.

[wesgemm08]

They are also saying that Mccain has picked Romney

[LastPlaceRocks]

Who are you pulling for to get it?
Personally I'd like to see Kaine get it because he brings the most to the ticket. He's a governor (so he has executive experience) of a large purple state (which I'd like to see the Dems pick up in November) that helps reflect Obama's message of change in Washington better than anyone else. I don't think Obama needs Bayh to pick up disgruntled Clinton supporters anymore, as well as the fact that there's no geographic diversity (although it would be nice to also pick up Indiana), Sebelius would do more harm than good by having a woman other than Hillary Clinton on the ticket and Biden can be used better in a different position in the Obama Administration, doesn't bring a state into play in addition to the fact that he can overshadow Obama (same reason why I wouldn't want to see Clinton on the ticket - that's the job of the VP candidate).

Basically each VP candidate has their pros and cons, but in the end I don't see it mattering a whole lot which one is selected by Obama because in the end who's on the ticket is low on the list of things that matter when Americans vote.

[mattybobviously]

Will be so thrilled with an Obama/Biden or Obama/Sebelius ticket, Edwards... well that would just suck.

[Mitch]

I think Biden is going to be it.

[Mitch]

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/22/activity-at-the-bidens/

[LastPlaceRocks]

Wow, that's not news at all unless you count the fact that Biden went home as something that's newsworthy.

[Mitch]

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/08/us-secret-servi.html

[mattybobviously]

So excited.

[wesgemm08]

Barack seems to have made the most logical decision.. Can't wait to hopefully see the Biden-Romney debate, it will be much more entertaining than the actual presidential debates

[wesgemm08]

Obama net worth: around 1.5 to 3 million
Biden net worth: 100,000 - 150,000 thousand

Mccain & wife net worth: 140.4 million
Romney net worth: 220 million (if he is Republican veep)


Yet somehow the Republicans will get people to believe that they are working for the common man and the democratic ticket is elitist and out of touch with reality.

[mattybobviously]

It's really incredible, as if the huge contrasts in this race haven't been framed enough, to show that statistic. I just hope that the American people don't fuck this one up.

[anamericangod]

Obama net worth: around 1.5 to 3 million
Biden net worth: 100,000 - 150,000 thousand

Mccain & wife net worth: 140.4 million
Romney net worth: 220 million (if he is Republican veep)


Yet somehow the Republicans will get people to believe that they are working for the common man and the democratic ticket is elitist and out of touch with reality.

A McCain/Romney ticket will be the end of the fucking world.

[mattybobviously]

FWIW: The Associated Press is reporting Joe Biden has secured the nomination to the Vice Presidency

[wesgemm08]

The true dream ticket is official!

[Machu505]

Fuck yeah! I come home from Boston to hear some fucking awesome news!

[asmolitor]

good choice. exactly what the campaign needs, since mccain's only shot is turning the debate into nothing but foreign policy. now that obama's covered that liability, and since mccain loses on most other issues, i guess there's nothing left but returning to that whole muslim talk until november.

[micahistheballs]

I already did not like McCain and was waffling on Obama, but him getting Biden as his VP adds a lot of confidence in my mind and hopefully it will in the minds of others that he will know what Obama doesn't and that gets rid of the whole experience thing at least.

I really hope Romney does not get the nom for the Republicans. I fucking can not stand that man.

[atticusfinch]

Great, another CFR guy.

[shit stroll]

lol i knew someone was going to say that.

[WarpSpeedChewy]

I am so glad he choose Biden. Next to Webb he was my choice to be VP. He deserves it and he and Obama make a great partnership. I believe in both of those people.

I really hope Romney does not get the nom for the Republicans. I fucking can not stand that man.
I'm kinda hoping he does just to see be torn apart. Romney is basicially the John Kerry of republicans. I can see Obama and Biden especially tearing him up and making McCain look bad.

[loveisdead]

This makes me so happy. This ticket can't lose.

[ZoSo1886]

Fantastic choice, plugging all of his holes with his vp was the way to go.

[goblue19]

Nuff Said...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDVUPqoowf8

[theguilt engine]

Obama/Biden '08 baby.

[wesgemm08]

Nuff Said...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDVUPqoowf8

These statements will look like nothing when Mitt Romney is announced as Republican Veep and the stuff he said in the primaries is shown again

[WarpSpeedChewy]

Nuff Said...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDVUPqoowf8
Funny thing about that is everyone practically said that about Obama........yet he won. Plus it was the primaries, if you had to say something bad about him it would be that. Doesn't really have much weight to it. As for the 2nd statement was during the 2004 election when the possibility was mentioned of McCain running as a independent against Bush, who McCain later supported. There's a little perspective on that.

[saysmydoctor]

Great, another CFR guy.
:appl:

[wesgemm08]

"Senator Mccain, has federal reserve chairman Ben Bernanke cut interest rates aggressively enough?"

Mccain- "I don't have that kind of expertise to know exactly whether he has cut interest rates sufficiently or not... I'm glad whenever they cut interest rates, I wish interest rates were zero."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1X3efvVTLA&feature=related
~More Mccain economic talk gaffes

[windmillninja]

Well, it's official: "Change" was just a slogan.

[GiggsOho]

"Senator Mccain, has federal reserve chairman Ben Bernanke cut interest rates aggressively enough?"

Mccain- "I don't have that kind of expertise to know exactly whether he has cut interest rates sufficiently or not... I'm glad whenever they cut interest rates, I wish interest rates where zero."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1X3efvVTLA&feature=related
~More Mccain economic talk gaffes


I coulda sworn you we're for McCain about a month ago....? Either way, welcome to the good guys.


Wish it would have been Tim Kaine, but love the fact that he has this guy in his hip pocket. That possible Romney/Biden debate is going to be a laugher.

[WarpSpeedChewy]

Well, it's official: "Change" was just a slogan.
:rolleyes:
First off, I don't get this logic that choosing Biden goes against his message of change. Logically and historically it's not true. He didn't have to most choices it terms of choosing someone who has the same background and be as well known. Plus not every politician is bad, Biden is great person. Did JFK's choice of LBJ take away from what he accomplished and what he stood for. No. The thing is as well, Obama and Biden work well together and compliment each other nicely. It's a great partnership of change/vision and experience.

[GiggsOho]

Well, it's official: "Change" was just a slogan.

From the AP article:

A senior Obama adviser, speaking on condition of anonymity, said his boss has expressed impatience with what he calls a "reverence" inside his campaign for his message of change and new politics. In other words, Obama is willing _ even eager _ to risk what got him this far if it gets him to the White House (http://www.wtopnews.com/?nid=733&inform_keyword=The+White+House).


I can see why people would say what you said above, but there was a very slim chance Obama was going to get into the White House without a senior senator at his side. Not every senator is part of "the politics of old", even if he has been a senator since the 70's.

The guy is heavy on foreign relations, which he is going to need help in, regardless of how inspiring his mantras of "change" are. Furthermore, the guy speaks his own mind, which is probably the most important part of why he was selected. People don't believe they are getting the truth from their politicans. Biden is one you are going to get the truth from whether you like it or not.

[GiggsOho]

:rolleyes:
First off, I don't get this logic that choosing Biden goes against his message of change. Logically and historically it's not true. He didn't have to most choices it terms of choosing someone who has the same background and be as well known. Plus not every politician is bad, Biden is great person. Did JFK's choice of LBJ take away from what he accomplished and what he stood for. No. The thing is as well, Obama and Biden work well together and compliment each other nicely. It's a great partnership of change/vision and experience.

Great point.

[windmillninja]

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[WarpSpeedChewy]

I can see why people would say what you said above, but there was a very slim chance Obama was going to get into the White House without a senior senator at his side. Not every senator is part of "the politics of old", even if he has been a senator since the 70's.

People don't believe they are getting the truth from their politicans. Biden is one you are going to get the truth from whether you like it or not.
EXACTLY. Spot on. Plus Biden is held in high regard with Labor, Women and Anti-crime groups. He's also been a big champion of doing something in Darfur. His background and history is also quite impressive.

Great point.
Thanks. You too.

[ActionActionFan]

Bayh would have been a much better pick for Obama being that his whole campaign is based on change.

[windmillninja]

All those ads about McCain being responsible for the state of the country due to his 25+ years in office are now equally applicable to Biden. Why not choose Richardson, a guy with plenty of foreign policy experience? Why not Sebelius? Surely she would have bridged the gap between Obama and those women still bitter over Hillary's loss.

I don't understand (but absolutely love) him choosing a running mate who not only voted for the war and even pushed the surge which Obama so stubbornly refuses to acknowledge worked, but went so far as to call for an ethnic partition in Iraq which he maintained during his entire campaign and would have led to real civil war and probably a genocide.

That, and the fact that Biden is as much a gaffe machine (if not moreso) than Obama himself.

[GiggsOho]

All those ads about McCain being responsible for the state of the country due to his 25+ years in office are now equally applicable to Biden. Why not choose Richardson, a guy with plenty of foreign policy experience? Why not Sebelius? Surely she would have bridged the gap between Obama and those women still bitter over Hillary's loss.

I don't understand (but absolutely love) him choosing a running mate who not only voted for the war and even pushed the surge which Obama so stubbornly refuses to acknowledge worked, but went so far as to call for an ethnic partition in Iraq which he maintained during his entire campaign and would have led to real civil war and probably a genocide.

That, and the fact that Biden is as much a gaffe machine (if not moreso) than Obama himself.


1) That would have had the opposite affect if you think about it, all the Hilary supporters would have cried that he was shoving it in her face. That would have alienated a base he is trying to rally.


2) I'm going to go out a limb and say no matter how Obama chose, you weren't going to vote for him anyway.

I'll refrain from actually being reasonable with you from now on.

[WarpSpeedChewy]

All those ads about McCain being responsible for the state of the country due to his 25+ years in office are now equally applicable to Biden. Why not choose Richardson, a guy with plenty of foreign policy experience? Why not Sebelius? Surely she would have bridged the gap between Obama and those women still bitter over Hillary's loss.

I don't understand (but absolutely love) him choosing a running mate who not only voted for the war and even pushed the surge which Obama so stubbornly refuses to acknowledge worked, but went so far as to call for an ethnic partition in Iraq which he maintained during his entire campaign and would have led to real civil war and probably a genocide.

That, and the fact that Biden is as much a gaffe machine (if not moreso) than Obama himself.
Somewhat true. Though this where we start parsoning words and start looking each record. Republicans have been in power for most of that time and he's been a democrat for all of it. You could apply it but Biden has also been right on a lot of issues. Even some where Obama has been wrong, which makes him a great choice. I think he has a lot of the qualities Obama wanted in a VP.

Biden said he regretted the decision but also keep in mind his vote was only really applied to removing WMD's which of course were not found. To argue the surge worked is completely missing the point. It didn't do what it was meant to do which was to help the Iraqi government get it's act together which it didn't. And of course there wouldn't have been usuch a sitituation if we hadn't gone into Iraq in the first place. Plus it was a civil war. But we're going off an a completely different issue.

[windmillninja]

1)I'll refrain from actually being reasonable with you from now on.

Exactly what is that supposed to mean? How was I being "unreasonable"? Or is your definition of "reasonable" just "falling in line"?

Yeah, I wasn't being "reasonable" at all. How dare I even mention any of the Chosen One's perceived flaws?

[windmillninja]

Somewhat true. Though this where we start parsoning words and start looking each record. Republicans have been in power for most of that time and he's been a democrat for all of it. You could apply it but Biden has also been right on a lot of issues. Even some where Obama has been wrong, which makes him a great choice. I think he has a lot of the qualities Obama wanted in a VP.

Biden said he regretted the decision but also keep in mind his vote was only really applied to removing WMD's which of course were not found. To argue the surge worked is completely missing the point. It didn't do what it was meant to do which was to help the Iraqi government get it's act together which it didn't. And of course there wouldn't have been usuch a sitituation if we hadn't gone into Iraq in the first place. Plus it was a civil war. But we're going off an a completely different issue.

See, GiggsOho? That's reasonable.

[Lueda Alia]

What is this "Chosen One" "The One" and "The Messiah" crap? Some of you people are just really scary.

[GiggsOho]

Exactly what is that supposed to mean? How was I being "unreasonable"? Or is your definition of "reasonable" just "falling in line"?

Yeah, I wasn't being "reasonable" at all. How dare I even mention any of the Chosen One's perceived flaws?


Because stating something like that has nothing to do with the real issues at hand, and leads me to believe that you are only trying to justify not voting for Obama. If you want to justify yourself based on the issues (which you started to do, than trailed off), then fine. If you wanna sling mud, please shut up.

[windmillninja]

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12735.html

Biden has accepted $5,133,072 in contributions from lawyers and lobbyists since 2003. Obama does not accept contributions from federally registered lobbyists.

And he has one other weakness that hasn't received much attention to date. One of Biden's sons, Hunter, is a registered Washington lobbyist in a year in which Obama has been excoriating lobbyists and the culture of corruption in Washington. The younger Biden is a name partner at the firm Oldaker, Biden & Belair and seems to have specialized in lobbying for just the kind of earmark spending by Congress that Obama has vowed to slash. Republican insiders say the party is likely to make an issue of Biden's family lobbying ties.


Also expect to hear more about Biden's close ties with credit card companies. His largest contributor, based on total contributions by employees, over the past five years has been MBNA, the Delaware-based bank aquired in 2005 by Bank of America that, until then, was the world's largest independent credit card issuer and a major supporter of the 2005 bankruptcy bill that Biden crossed the aisle to support.


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[windmillninja]

What is this "Chosen One" "The One" and "The Messiah" crap? Some of you people are just really scary.

I know, really. Wait...sorry. Thought you were referring to his rabid "thrill up my leg" supporters.

[WarpSpeedChewy]

What is this "Chosen One" "The One" and "The Messiah" crap? Some of you people are just really scary.
Yeah let's just call him Neo from now on.

[windmillninja]

If you wanna sling mud, please shut up.

What happens when your boys start doing just that next month, which, no doubt, was part of the strategy of choosing Biden? This is politics. There's enough mud for everyone.

[windmillninja]

Yeah let's just call him Neo from now on.

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f82/lookstoluna/the_one.jpg

[Lueda Alia]

I know, really. Wait...sorry. Thought you were referring to his rabid "thrill up my leg" supporters.
No, I'm referring to everyone that takes those things seriously.

I just find it amusing that many Americans are so hypocritical when it comes to religion. They love to portray Muslims as extremists/brainwashed, when they could easily fit in that category themselves.

[windmillninja]

you are only trying to justify not voting for Obama.

I'm not doing that at all. Simply illustrating why I believe Biden was a terrible choice. I'll tell you again and again I'm not voting for Obama either way, because this isn't the "We Love Obama Even More For Picking Biden!" thread.

[Lueda Alia]

Yeah let's just call him Neo from now on.
It just makes no sense to me, really. I can't understand how any intelligent human being could possibly buy that bs.

[windmillninja]

No, I'm referring to everyone that takes those things seriously.

I just find it amusing that many Americans are so hypocritical when it comes to religion. They love to portray Muslims as extremists/brainwashed, when they could easily fit in that category themselves.

Ha, wow. My apologies, then. I honestly thought I was the last person that found those people ridiculous. Good to know I'm not alone.

[GiggsOho]

What happens when your boys start doing just that next month, which, no doubt, was part of the strategy of choosing Biden? This is politics. There's enough mud for everyone.


Yeah, you're right, I guess I should just stop bitching, hate both candidates for not playing nice, and not vote at all. That should help things.

[GiggsOho]

I'm not doing that at all. Simply illustrating why I believe Biden was a terrible choice. I'll tell you again and again I'm not voting for Obama either way, because this isn't the "We Love Obama Even More For Picking Biden!" thread.


Which was exactly my point to begin with. Good day, sir.

[Lueda Alia]

Yeah, you're right, I guess I should just stop bitching, hate both candidates for not playing nice, and not vote at all. That should help things.
Haha I'm sure any Republican would agree that that would help things.... for them.

[Justin_stacy]

Well, it's official: "Change" was just a slogan.

just now figuring that out?

[Justin_stacy]

I think he can be ready, but right now I don't believe he is. The presidency is not something that lends itself to on-the-job training. Biden responding to a question about the Chosen One.

This should turn out to be a pretty profitable remark for the McCain camp.

[Lueda Alia]

I think he can be ready, but right now I don't believe he is. The presidency is not something that lends itself to on-the-job training. Biden responding to a question about the Chosen One.

This should turn out to be a pretty profitable remark for the McCain camp.
If McCain decides to go with Romney, I'm sure there will be some pretty good quotes for Democrats to use, too.

That's my Republican "dream ticket," so I hope it happens.

[Mitch]

Lueda, have you seen the "The One" ads?

[Lueda Alia]

Lueda, have you seen the "The One" ads?
I'm not sure. Link me to a youtube video?

[Justin_stacy]

If McCain decides to go with Romney, I'm sure there will be some pretty good quotes for Democrats to use, too.

That's my Republican "dream ticket," so I hope it happens.

If McCain goes with Romney its all over, so it wouldn't matter anyways.

[Lueda Alia]

If McCain goes with Romney its all over, so it wouldn't matter anyways.
It's not like McCain has a lot of "good" people to choose from, anyway.

[windmillninja]

Which was exactly my point to begin with. Good day, sir.

And this, in turn, furthers mine that the only things you want to hear are what makes you feel better about your savior. Have fun with the rest of the sheep.

[captainhampton]

I think he can be ready, but right now I don't believe he is. The presidency is not something that lends itself to on-the-job training. Biden responding to a question about the Chosen One.

This should turn out to be a pretty profitable remark for the McCain camp.


they've already jumped on that quote

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[windmillninja]

It's not like McCain has a lot of "good" people to choose from, anyway.

McCain/Thompson '08 (although it will never happen)

[Mitch]

I'm not sure. Link me to a youtube video?

You are about to watch a new campaign low. How this has not backfired more on McCain yet is beyond me. Watch the whole ad and you'll even see Charlton Heston make a guest appearance...

mopkn0lPzM8

[Lueda Alia]

McCain/Thompson '08 (although it will never happen)
What would he do for the ticket?

[saysmydoctor]

So a remark any presidential candidate would say is a tool? Please.

[saysmydoctor]

What would he do for the ticket?
A southern drawl.

[Mitch]

I'm not sure. Link me to a youtube video?

Oh, and the even more ridiculous sequel:

PetxaA42OuE.

[Lueda Alia]

You are about to watch a new campaign low. How this has not backfired more on McCain yet is beyond me. Watch the whole ad and you'll even see Charlton Heston make a guest appearance...

mopkn0lPzM8
Those kind of ads could only "fly" in the US. People would just laugh at them here.

Pathetic.

[AnarchyintheUS]

McCain will be made President.

Obama was used to destroy Hillary Clinton.

They have no use for him now...

[Lueda Alia]

Oh, and the even more ridiculous sequel:

PetxaA42OuE.
All I can do is shake my head, really.

[windmillninja]

What would he do for the ticket?

Conservatism. Kind of a lost cause these days.

[GiggsOho]

If McCain decides to go with Romney, I'm sure there will be some pretty good quotes for Democrats to use, too.

That's my Republican "dream ticket," so I hope it happens.

You should do research on Tom Ridge. That's a shoo-in for a GOP failure.

And this, in turn, furthers mine that the only things you want to hear are what makes you feel better about your savior. Have fun with the rest of the sheep.

No I've only done extensive research on both candidates, read their stance on the issues, read even more political opinion/books/research, and continue to watch both candidates as the campaign progresses. To this point, all incidations to me show McCain = more of Bush's cronyism politics, which this country can not afford. It's called being an "educated voter."

McCain/Thompson '08 (although it will never happen)

Ha, yeah, the only VP worse than Cheney because he won't work at all.

McCain will be made President.

Obama was used to destroy Hillary Clinton.

They have no use for him now...

Hey, pal! Why don't you head over to the 9/11 thread I made and spew some more of your lunatic bullshit! You make my head hurt.

[WarpSpeedChewy]

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12735.html
While there may be something there, keep in mind though Biden was never once investigated. At the same time those kinds of donations are a political reality for anyone wanting to run for anything with Obama being an exception. He may not have wanted it. Though that number may be small depending on his total budget. Besides that article seemed very one-sided to me. I'd like to see his response to it. His son literally has nothing to do with anything though.

Also, his relationship to lobbyist is limited at best compared to McCain's.

It just makes no sense to me, really. I can't understand how any intelligent human being could possibly buy that bs.
It's just so stupid, and so aggravating that we have it. It appeals to the absolute worst and idiotic side of people that is just degrades our whole process. I really do think low of McCain for doing that. Hopefully he gets taken to task on it.

[AnarchyintheUS]

All I can do is shake my head, really.

McCain is insane...

But no one forced this clown to make stupid wishy-washy speeches like that. It was always gonna be used against him.

[AnarchyintheUS]

Hey, pal! Why don't you head over to the 9/11 thread I made and spew some more of your lunatic bullshit! You make my head hurt.

I bet when you made that 9/11 thread, you didn't expect everyone to make you look like a fool with their responses.

[saysmydoctor]

I can't even believe Ridge is a consideration.

Jindal or Romney, those are his best choices.

[WarpSpeedChewy]

McCain is insane...

But no one forced this clown to make stupid wishy-washy speeches like that. It was always gonna be used against him.
Yeah, bad for him using a speech that inspires people. BAD MAN!!!!

It's also pretty disgusting that ad twist the words of supporters who can't respond back to such trash.

[Matthew]

The fact that Obama excites people who might otherwise be ignorant of politics altogether is, to me, a plus.

[saysmydoctor]

It bothers me. I can understand being inspired, but jump on the trend educated.

[loveisdead]

The fact that Obama excites people who might otherwise be ignorant of politics altogether is, to me, a plus.
It's an incredible accomplishment. Nobody has been able to stimulate the youth the way he is. He's a very exciting candidate and I hope all this excitement gets him a seat in the white house.

[AnarchyintheUS]

Yeah, bad for him using a speech that inspires people. BAD MAN!!!!


It only inspires people with the political nous of a jellyfish.

[loveisdead]

It bothers me. I can understand being inspired, but jump on the trend educated.
It works both ways. You have the idiots jumping on the Obama wagon because they see a lot of their peers doing it. But there are also the people who here him speak, and actually look into his policies and stances and then get on the bandwagon. I don't think I would have been nearly as involved in this election had Obama not run.

[AnarchyintheUS]

Nobody has been able to stimulate the youth the way he is. He's a very exciting candidate and I hope all this excitement gets him a seat in the white house.

Most of the "youth" is vacuous, vapid and caught up on celebrity.

I don't think excitement is a good case for becoming President.

People were once excited about Tony Blair in the UK... he turned out to be a cunt.

[WarpSpeedChewy]

It only inspires people with the political nous of a jellyfish.

It bothers me. I can understand being inspired, but jump on the trend educated.
^^^ Agreed.

[saysmydoctor]

Dear AnarchyintheUS,

Please stop making hasty generalizations if you want your argument to be legitimate.

Signed,
The Whole Forum

[hipvee43]

Today, the rumor is that it's going to be John Kerry. Fucking fantastic.

hahahaha

[loveisdead]

Dear AnarchyintheUS,

Please stop making hasty generalizations if you want your argument to be legitimate.

Signed,
The Whole Forum
I'll sign my name to that.

[hipvee43]

All I can do is shake my head, really.

hahha yeah man i feel bad for john mccains contributers that paid for that shti

[AnarchyintheUS]

hahha yeah man i feel bad for john mccains contributers that paid for that shti

I'm sure they approved.

[captainhampton]

I mean, you got the first mainstream African American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy

[windmillninja]

I mean, you got the first mainstream African American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy

That's one thing we can say for Biden. He wants his blacks so fresh and so clean (clean)!

[wesgemm08]

I mean, you got the first mainstream African American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy

"I'm glad whenever they cut interest rates, I wish interest rates were zero."

Just the kind of bright economic mind we need to lead our nation!

[windmillninja]

The fact that Obama excites people who might otherwise be ignorant of politics altogether is, to me, a plus.

Woopity-do. Castro was pretty damn exciting, too.

[wesgemm08]

"We need to put more troops on the Iraq-Pakistan border"

[Adeniz19]

"We need to put more troops on the Iraq-Pakistan border"who said this? hahaha

[Machu505]

who said this? hahaha

J-Mac did.

[GiggsOho]

I bet when you made that 9/11 thread, you didn't expect everyone to make you look like a fool with their responses.


By "look like a fool", you meant "agree with me", then fine, yeah, that's exactly what I expected.


But seriously, I'm sorry I wasted your time, go back into your bomb shelter and finger yourself to Zeitgeist again. :ok:

[Kid B]

J-Mac did.
Hahaha Good stuff.

[AnarchyintheUS]

By "look like a fool", you meant "agree with me", then fine, yeah, that's exactly what I expected.


But seriously, I'm sorry I wasted your time, go back into your bomb shelter and finger yourself to Zeitgeist again. :ok:

Just re-read the 9/11 thread, pretty sure everyone bar Saysmy... disagreed with you.

And what the fuck is your obsession with Zeitgeist?

There are plenty of things in that movie that are false... others are right on the money.

You keep occupying yourself with your cushy, cotton-wool existence, you'll see it when it happens.

[GiggsOho]

Just re-read the 9/11 thread, pretty sure everyone bar Saysmy... disagreed with you.

And what the fuck is your obsession with Zeitgeist?

There are plenty of things in that movie that are false... others are right on the money.

You keep occupying yourself with your cushy, cotton-wool existence, you'll see it when it happens.

LOL. That might be sig worthy.

[AnarchyintheUS]

LOL. That might be sig worthy.

Here's a better one.

I cannot wait until you get chipped.

[GiggsOho]

Here's a better one.

I cannot wait until you get chipped.

Hopefully they program me to take you out. You're SUCH a threat to Amero....

[Machu505]

Hopefully they program me to take you out. You're SUCH a threat to Amero....

If you kill him, his soul will just go and buy more life at Sam's Club. :shrug:

[Nevuk]

Hopefully they program me to take you out. You're SUCH a threat to Amero....
The* amero

[heartspelunker]

It bothers me. I can understand being inspired, but jump on the trend educated.

being inspired by a politician leads to people educating themselves. people have been saying since primaries that obama supporters are running on emotion, not policies, but i think a lot of them aren't being given enough credit.

It only inspires people with the political nous of a jellyfish.

or not. i fully admit i didn't care much about politics until i saw obama speak at a rally. you can be inspired and not an idiot. (and yes, before anyone says anything, i read up on campaign policies, interviews, plans, and histories in politics before i made my decision on who to support. again, inspiring people does not eclipse rational thought.)

[GiggsOho]

being inspired by a politician leads to people educating themselves. people have been saying since primaries that obama supporters are running on emotion, not policies, but i think a lot of them aren't being given enough credit.



or not. i fully admit i didn't care much about politics until i saw obama speak at a rally. you can be inspired and not an idiot. (and yes, before anyone says anything, i read up on campaign policies, interviews, plans, and histories in politics before i made my decision on who to support. again, inspiring people does not eclipse rational thought.)


IT WILL WHEN THE CHIPZ ARE IMPLANTED IN YOUR HEAD!!! RATIONAL THOUGHT IZ DYING! DOWN WITH THE MAN!

/AnarchyintheUS impression.

[AnarchyintheUS]

IT WILL WHEN THE CHIPZ ARE IMPLANTED IN YOUR HEAD!!! RATIONAL THOUGHT IZ DYING! DOWN WITH THE MAN!

/AnarchyintheUS impression.

You really get worked up about conspiracy theories. Some people don't care, and that's cool, but you go way over the top to put them down.

You sound like you're in denial.

[GiggsOho]

You really get worked up about conspiracy theories. Some people don't care, and that's cool, but you go way over the top to put them down.

You sound like you're in denial.

Because all the people out there who beat conspiracy theories into people's heads are just as weak as the people who take whatever comes out of politicians mouth's at face value. Very little people actually do research and read and watch and gather information before coming to an educated opinion.

I have said numerous times that I am quite the conspiracy theory junkie. I digest everything and anything I can get on the JFK conspiracy. I did an extensive paper in college on Mumia Abu-Jamal. I know what what's out there.

The 9/11 conspiracy theories are quite frankly, in my opinion, fucking ridiculous. While I haven't lived in D.C. long, I have heard countless times from people who had eye-witness accounts of a commercial jet liner hitting the Pentagon. I have watched the videos on YouTube, read the websites, etc... They are just as bad as some right-wing nutjob website that says Obama is a muslim. It panders to the weak-minded. It's actually really sad.

I'm not in denial, I'm educated. There's a huge difference.

[Machu505]

Because all the people out there who beat conspiracy theories into people's heads are just as weak as the people who take whatever comes out of politicians mouth's at face value. Very little people actually do research and read and watch and gather information before coming to an educated opinion.

I have said numerous times that I am quite the conspiracy theory junkie. I digest everything and anything I can get on the JFK conspiracy. I did an extensive paper in college on Mumia Abu-Jamal. I know what what's out there.

The 9/11 conspiracy theories are quite frankly, in my opinion, fucking ridiculous. While I haven't lived in D.C. long, I have heard countless times from people who had eye-witness accounts of a commercial jet liner hitting the Pentagon. I have watched the videos on YouTube, read the websites, etc... They are just as bad as some right-wing nutjob website that says Obama is a muslim. It panders to the weak-minded. It's actually really sad.

I'm not in denial, I'm educated. There's a huge difference.

Johnson killed Kennedy.

[GiggsOho]

Johnson killed Kennedy.


haha. The best is the site that says Malcolm Wallace's fingerprints were on the boxes in the book's depository, and it has a photo with fingerprints that in no way match up, and the author goes "LOOK! THEY ARE EXACT!" Then puts a disclaimer at the bottom of "I am in sound health and have never thought about suicide." Oh. Glad you put those fears to rest.

[shit stroll]

it waz teh federal reserve.

[Machu505]

haha.

I was being completely serious. He didn't fire the gun, but he was totally behind it.

[GiggsOho]

I was being completely serious. He didn't fire the gun, but he was totally behind it.

I think it was a wide ranging conspiracy. He was probably involved, i don't know if you can point the finger at one person alone. Furthermore, I don't buy the grassy knoll stuff at all, I think Oswald was completely paid off, I don't think there was a second shooter, no matter how many times Oliver Stone tells me otherwise (that's a joke). But I do believe Oswald was the one who shot him. There have been specials applying the forensics of today to the situation and said Oswald was the only one who could have shot him.

[Jason Tate]

I think it was a wide ranging conspiracy. He was probably involved, i don't know if you can point the finger at one person alone. Furthermore, I don't buy the grassy knoll stuff at all, I think Oswald was completely paid off, I don't think there was a second shooter, no matter how many times Oliver Stone tells me otherwise (that's a joke). But I do believe Oswald was the one who shot him. There have been specials applying the forensics of today to the situation and said Oswald was the only one who could have shot him.
Back and to the left.

[GiggsOho]

Back and to the left.

http://www.jfk-online.com/jfk100shot5.html

The simple fact is that John F. Kennedy's head did not snap "back and to the left." What the human eye cannot perceive with ease (http://karws.gso.uri.edu/JFK/issues_and_evidence/zapruder_film/Rearward_lurch.html) while viewing the Zapruder film is clearly revealed in a frame-by-frame comparison: that between Zapruder frames 312 and 313, the President's head is propelled forward several inches (2.3 inches, according to one study),(2) (http://www.jfk-online.com/jfk100shot5.html#N_2_) before strongly snapping backwards, beginning at frame 313 (the first frame in which the results of the bullet strike become visible).

[Jason Tate]

http://www.jfk-online.com/jfk100shot5.html
Hahaha, I was kidding because of your Oliver Stone comment ... but "several inches" means absolutely nothing. I like the magic bullet theory best of all.

[GiggsOho]

Hahaha, I was kidding because of your Oliver Stone comment ... but "several inches" means absolutely nothing. I like the magic bullet theory best of all.

The past two days have totally killed my sarcasm detector in this forum.

[Jason Tate]

The past two days have totally killed my sarcasm detector in this forum.
Hahaha, totally understandable. I still don't believe Oswald acted alone though.

[boykosaurus]

I always love lurking the politics threads. This one went from Obama's VP pick to conspiracy theories, I love it.

[AnarchyintheUS]

I always love lurking the politics threads. This one went from Obama's VP pick to conspiracy theories, I love it.

Doesn't that prove how everything is connected into one vast conspiracy!!


http://saucers.greyfalcon.us/ada14.jpg
http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/7066/davegrohlsy1.jpg

[Lueda Alia]

Well, it's official: "Change" was just a slogan.
What do you think he actually means by "change?" Because I assume he means change from the last 8 years, not the last 100 years. Maybe that's just me.

[windmillninja]

What do you think he actually means by "change?" Because I assume he means change from the last 8 years, not the last 100 years. Maybe that's just me.

Either way, this is the same old, same old. Politics as usual. Nothing new to see here.

[Jason Tate]

Either way, this is the same old, same old. Politics as usual. Nothing new to see here.
Nope.

[saysmydoctor]

I think Obama is progress, very slight. If he truly is dedicated to getting us out of Iraq, it would be the first time in 8 years that my opinion on the war has been listened to as a tax paying citizen. And that to me is change.

[windmillninja]

Nope.

Yep.

[Jason Tate]

Yep.
Been in a coma the last 8 years?

[saysmydoctor]

Yep.
Why don't you go into detail rather than your pundit originated recycled one liners?

[windmillninja]

Why don't you go into detail rather than your pundit originated recycled one liners?

Did you happen to casually ignore the oh-so-insightful comment to which it was directed?

[windmillninja]

Been in a coma the last 8 years?

Nah, man. Nah.

[windmillninja]

recycled one liners?

LOLZ

You mean like "Yes We Can™"?

[Jason Tate]

Nah, man. Nah.
So ... then you'd know the current status of the country ... right?

[windmillninja]

So ... then you'd know the current status of the country ... right?

Yeah.

[Jason Tate]

Yeah.
And you don't believe a new President will change this status? The economy, Iraq, supreme court, international view, privacy, environment, etc?

[windmillninja]

And you don't believe a new President will change this status? The economy, Iraq, supreme court, international view, privacy, environment, etc?

Not to the extent that the Obama faithful are hoping. There will be some things made different, no doubt, if he's elected, but the glorious upheaval of old-school politics people have been anticipating is just a fantasy, especially with a career politician on the ticket.

[Jason Tate]

Not to the extent that the Obama faithful are hoping. There will be some things made different, no doubt, if he's elected, but the glorious upheaval of old-school politics people have been anticipating is just a fantasy, especially with a career politician on the ticket.
No one has been championing "glorious upheaval." Just as I suspected, you had a completely different view of what "change" meant than 99% of those excited about it.

[Lueda Alia]

No one has been championing "glorious upheaval." Just as I suspected, you had a completely different view of what "change" meant than 99% of those excited about it.
That's what I figured, hence my reply.

[windmillninja]

No one has been championing "glorious upheaval." Just as I suspected, you had a completely different view of what "change" meant than 99% of those excited about it.

http://www.barackobama.com/images/quote_headers/believe.jpg

[Jason Tate]

http://www.barackobama.com/images/quote_headers/believe.jpg
Solidifying my point?

[Jason Tate]

For your sake, I hope not.
Just as I suspected, you had a completely different view of what "change" meant than 99% of those excited about it.

[windmillninja]

Solidifying my point?

For your sake, I hope not.

[windmillninja]

Just as I suspected, you had a completely different view of what "change" meant than 99% of those excited about it.

Nope.

[Jason Tate]

Nope.
Quite obviously ... stop being a moron.

[windmillninja]

Quite obviously ... stop being a moron.

I expected the name-calling sooner than this.

Did you even take the time to read my entire response to you? Did I not say that some things would be made different? You're acting like Obama's mantra of "Hope" and "Change" simply means that he's going to try to change our way of living. I'm not disputing that, but to say that he hasn't also been trumpeting himself as a new kind of politician bringing a new kind of politics to Washington is simply a display of either ignorance or outright stubbornness.

[cassusriff]

I expected the name-calling sooner than this.

Did you even take the time to read my entire response to you? Did I not say that some things would be made different? You're acting like Obama's mantra of "Hope" and "Change" simply means that he's going to try to change our way of living. I'm not disputing that, but to say that he hasn't also been trumpeting himself as a new kind of politician bringing a new kind of politics to Washington is simply a display of either ignorance or outright stubbornness.

How isn't he a new kind of politician? He's young, he has the strongest grassroots movement ever, he has a very direct connection with his supportors, he has the youth rallied, and he has displayed a knack for excellent rhetoric. No other politician has texted me his VP choice.

Will Obama be able to do everything he says? Probably not. But he is a new kind of politician and will bring new ideas to Washington if elected.

[Jason Tate]

I expected the name-calling sooner than this.

Did you even take the time to read my entire response to you? Did I not say that some things would be made different? You're acting like Obama's mantra of "Hope" and "Change" simply means that he's going to try to change our way of living. I'm not disputing that, but to say that he hasn't also been trumpeting himself as a new kind of politician bringing a new kind of politics to Washington is simply a display of either ignorance or outright stubbornness.
Just as I suspected, you had a completely different view of what "change" meant than 99% of those excited about it.

[windmillninja]

Just as I suspected, you had a completely different view of what "change" meant than 99% of those excited about it.

Trolling your own site, now, eh? How big of you.

[windmillninja]

No other politician has texted me his VP choice.


On a Saturday. In the middle of the night.

[Jason Tate]

Trolling your own site, now, eh? How big of you.
You're obviously too stupid to have picked up on what I (and others) said the first 6 times, I figure maybe you'll figure it out if I keep repeating it.

[cassusriff]

On a Saturday. In the middle of the night.

What does that have to do with anything I said?

You could say that Obama answered my call at 3am.

[windmillninja]

You're obviously too stupid to have picked up on what I (and others) said the first 6 times, I figure maybe you'll figure it out if I keep repeating it.

You mean the part where the "change" Obama has been talking about was a "change" to our way of lives and nothing else?

[LastPlaceRocks]

How isn't he a new kind of politician? He's young, he has the strongest grassroots movement ever, he has a very direct connection with his supportors, he has the youth rallied, and he has displayed a knack for excellent rhetoric. No other politician has texted me his VP choice.

Will Obama be able to do everything he says? Probably not. But he is a new kind of politician and will bring new ideas to Washington if elected.
To be fair, how many political candidates would have had this opportunity? It'd be a stretch to say that this was possible only eight years ago.

[cassusriff]

To be fair, how many political candidates would have had this opportunity? It'd be a stretch to say that this was possible only eight years ago.

Of course, I see where you are coming from. But I'm just saying that Obama has been the first candidate to embrace the technology around him. Mccain is trying to capitalize on it as well, but he seems to have much less of a connection with his supporters. The whole incident with forgetting how many homes he has was ridiculous. And it's funny that something like that doesn't get blown up as much as Obama taking a flag off his plane.

[Jason Tate]

You mean the part where the "change" Obama has been talking about was a "change" to our way of lives and nothing else?
A change in our way of life is a change in politics.

[windmillninja]

A change in our way of life is a change in politics.

Which brings me back to my original point: a career politician doesn't help.

[Jason Tate]

Which brings me back to my original point: a career politician doesn't help.
Helps bridge the gap and definitely helps with foreign policy.

[cassusriff]

Which brings me back to my original point: a career politician doesn't help.

are you talking about Biden? Have you seen his reactions to the current regime? He is absolutely infuriated and wants to change things as well.

[LastPlaceRocks]

Of course, I see where you are coming from. But I'm just saying that Obama has been the first candidate to embrace the technology around him. Mccain is trying to capitalize on it as well, but he seems to have much less of a connection with his supporters. The whole incident with forgetting how many homes he has was ridiculous. And it's funny that something like that doesn't get blown up as much as Obama taking a flag off his plane.
I don't know if Sen. Obama is the first (Howard Dean may have something to say about that), but he is the first candidate to successfully integrate it into his strategy. If you look back over the past four years, we've seen the rise of social networking and Youtube (something that didn't even exist in 2004) to supplement technology and twenty-four hour cable news. This has allowed for Presidential candidates to be able to undertake a national grassroots campaign; something that is usually reserved for state and local races. It wouldn't surprise me if the Obama campaign has one of the largest collections of email and cell phone number databases to solicit donations from in the world right now, saying that they've had over two million individuals donate.

[windmillninja]

Helps bridge the gap and definitely helps with foreign policy.

A guy willing to send a check for hundreds of millions of dollars to a terror-sponsoring regime, no strings attached, isn't exactly a foreign policy genius.

[cassusriff]

I don't know if Sen. Obama is the first (Howard Dean may have something to say about that), but he is the first candidate to successfully integrate it into his strategy. If you look back over the past four years, we've seen the rise of social networking and Youtube (something that didn't even exist in 2004) to supplement technology and twenty-four hour cable news. This has allowed for Presidential candidates to be able to undertake a national grassroots campaign; something that is usually reserved for state and local races. It wouldn't surprise me if the Obama campaign has one of the largest collections of email and cell phone number databases to solicit donations from in the world right now, saying that they've had over two million individuals donate.

well thats the point then. Obama has used the tools to his advantage.

[LastPlaceRocks]

A guy willing to send a check for hundreds of millions of dollars to a terror-sponsoring regime, no strings attached, isn't exactly a foreign policy genius.
Just because I'm curious, what would your strategy be?

well thats the point then. Obama has used the tools to his advantage.
Exactly - and that is a big thing.

[cassusriff]

A guy willing to send a check for hundreds of millions of dollars to a terror-sponsoring regime, no strings attached, isn't exactly a foreign policy genius.

So, you'd rather we not talk to these people and just threaten them and try to solve conflict with war?

Just because I'm curious, what would your strategy be?


Exactly.

Glad we agree. :)

So do you like Biden as the choice? I've supported both guys since 2006.

[saysmydoctor]

LOLZ

You mean like "Yes We Can™"?
Oh, that silly message of unity, I knew it would bite him in the ass.
Not to the extent that the Obama faithful are hoping. There will be some things made different, no doubt, if he's elected, but the glorious upheaval of old-school politics people have been anticipating is just a fantasy, especially with a career politician on the ticket.
:appl: @ the obvious uneducated opinion
What does that have to do with anything I said?

You could say that Obama answered my call at 3am.
Ahahahaha
A guy willing to send a check for hundreds of millions of dollars to a terror-sponsoring regime, no strings attached, isn't exactly a foreign policy genius.
Like we have been to Pakistan, Saudi Arabai, and other Middle Eastern countries? Like how we gave Osama Bin Laden the arms and trained the mujahadeen (sp?)? Like how we put Hussein into power?

Oh. Wait.

[LastPlaceRocks]

So, you'd rather we not talk to these people and just threaten them and try to solve conflict with war?



Glad we agree. :)

So do you like Biden as the choice? I've supported both guys since 2006.
I stated earlier in this thread that I would rather have seen Tim Kaine be the VP choice as he brings more to the ticket than Biden (I'd love to see him be the Secretary of State), but Biden's a good choice provided he doesn't end up overshadowing Obama. Plus he can help Obama pick up Pennsylvania and those white blue-collar workers he's been having trouble courting.

[LastPlaceRocks]

Like we have been to Pakistan, Saudi Arabai, and other Middle Eastern countries? Like how we gave Osama Bin Laden the arms and trained the mujahadeen (sp?)? Like how we put Hussein into power?

Oh. Wait.
Blowback is a bitch.

[windmillninja]

Just because I'm curious, what would your strategy be?

If I wanted to spend $200 million immediately after a trillion-dollar disaster that cost over 3,000 American lives, I kind of would have liked to have spent it on Americans. I also would have known the difference between an Iranian and an Arab.

[cassusriff]

I stated earlier in this thread that I would rather have seen Tim Kaine be the VP choice as he brings more to the ticket than Biden (I'd love to see him be the Secretary of State), but Biden's a good choice provided he doesn't end up overshadowing Obama. Plus he can help Obama pick up Pennsylvania and those white blue-collar workers he's been having trouble courting.

I liked Kathleen Sibelius. Biden has always been on my good list so I was glad to hear this. I think Obama made a safe choice and won't be overshadowed.

[saysmydoctor]

Kathleen Sebelius talks tonight. I'm excited.

[LastPlaceRocks]

I liked Kathleen Sibelius. Biden has always been on my good list so I was glad to hear this. I think Obama made a safe choice and won't be overshadowed.
While I like Sibelius, she would have done more harm than good as VP.

[cassusriff]

Kathleen Sebelius talks tonight. I'm excited.

Clinton is as well right?

[cassusriff]

While I like Sibelius, she would have done more harm than good as VP.

how do you figure?

[windmillninja]

Like we have been to Pakistan, Saudi Arabai, and other Middle Eastern countries? Like how we gave Osama Bin Laden the arms and trained the mujahadeen (sp?)? Like how we put Hussein into power?

Oh. Wait.

You're exactly right. All of this exists within a vacuum.

[saysmydoctor]

While I like Sibelius, she would have done more harm than good as VP.
This I agree with. Same with Clinton (though she has other reasosn). With Sebelius, I see her as 'new' to the national political realm whose comments (no matter how accurate) got her national attention. But with Obama's race and her sex, I think a dually 'minority' ticket (though woman aren't a minority, it's the only term I can think of) would have decreased his chances. Because Americans are idiots.

[saysmydoctor]

You're exactly right. All of this exists within a vacuum.
What?

[cassusriff]

This I agree with. Same with Clinton (though she has other reasosn). With Sebelius, I see her as 'new' to the national political realm whose comments (no matter how accurate) got her national attention. But with Obama's race and her sex, I think a dually 'minority' ticket (though woman aren't a minority, it's the only term I can think of) would have decreased his chances. Because Americans are idiots.

Totally makes sense. You don't think her success in Kansas would help sway voters?

[LastPlaceRocks]

how do you figure?
All the Hillary supporters would not be okay with another woman on the ticket that wasn't Hillary. That's the big one, although I can't see him picking a generally unknown person (in the national scheme) helping Obama either. Plus I don't see Kansas going blue.

[saysmydoctor]

Totally makes sense. You don't think her success in Kansas would help sway voters?
No. Rural Kansas? It might make McCain have to focus a little more on central states, even though they are generally GOP strongholds, but Pennsylvania > Kansas.

[cassusriff]

All the Hillary supporters would not be okay with another woman on the ticket that wasn't Hillary. That's the big one, although I can't see him picking a generally unknown person (in the national scheme) helping Obama either.

No. Rural Kansas? It might make McCain have to focus a little more on central states, even though they are generally GOP strongholds, but Pennsylvania > Kansas.

Both of you make extremely valid points. I was thinking that maybe Hilary supporters would be happy to support another woman, but I forget about their ardent loyalty to her.

Also, Pennsylvania will mean more in the scheme of things than Kansas.

So, how do you think anyone else besides Biden would help had Obama chosen them?

[saysmydoctor]

Richardson might have brought the hispanic community.

Webb would get the military and the not-hardcore-conservatives conservatives

[LastPlaceRocks]

Both of you make extremely valid points. I was thinking that maybe Hilary supporters would be happy to support another woman, but I forget about their ardent loyalty to her.

Also, Pennsylvania will mean more in the scheme of things than Kansas.

So, how do you think anyone else besides Biden would help had Obama chosen them?
That's the main thing - it's not just putting a woman on the ticket, it's putting the woman who got 48% of the primary vote and represents a cause on the ticket.

21 > 6. And Sibelius is not bringing any additional states with her.

I've still been hoping that Kaine would have received the nomination because he's a governor (so he has executive experience) of a large purple state (which I'd like to see the Dems pick up in November) that helps reflect Obama's message of change in Washington better than anyone else. Richardson could have brought the Hispanic vote, but saying that McCain's from a visiting state there's no guarantee.

[cassusriff]

Richardson might have brought the hispanic community.

Webb would get the military and the not-hardcore-conservatives conservatives

Interesting. I'm glad it wasn't Richardson though.

That's the main thing - it's not just putting a woman on the ticket, it's putting the woman who got 48% of the primary vote and represents a cause on the ticket.

21 > 6. And Sibelius is not bringing any additional states with her.

I've still been hoping that Kaine would have received the nomination because he's a governor (so he has executive experience) of a large purple state (which I'd like to see the Dems pick up in November) that helps reflect Obama's message of change in Washington better than anyone else. Richardson could have brought the Hispanic vote, but saying that McCain's from a visiting state there's no guarantee.

Even though I do like Sibelius way more than Clinton, it just isn't the right move at this time.

Kaine is good, but less known than Biden. I think Obama had a good pool of candidates and chose a good one.

[saysmydoctor]

Interesting. I'm glad it wasn't Richardson though.
I really liked him. Foreign policy experience, former Secretary of Energy, US Ambassador to the UN, governor of New Mexico....damn.

[LastPlaceRocks]

I really liked him. Foreign policy experience, former Secretary of Energy, US Ambassador to the UN, governor of New Mexico....damn.
I liked him a lot too, but he's another person that would do better in the hypothetical Obama Administration than as VP just because of the outlying circumstances of this race.

[loveisdead]

I really liked him. Foreign policy experience, former Secretary of Energy, US Ambassador to the UN, governor of New Mexico....damn.
I wanted either Richardson or Biden. Richardson will still be in the cabinet.

[saysmydoctor]

I liked him a lot too, but he's another person that would do better in the hypothetical Obama Administration than as VP just because of the outlying circumstances of this race.
Yeah, he is another one of those that would make the ticket a dually minority one. But his experience at the national and international level is undeniable.
I wanted either Richardson or Biden. Richardson will still be in the cabinet.
Secretary of State or I don't care.

[cassusriff]

I really liked him. Foreign policy experience, former Secretary of Energy, US Ambassador to the UN, governor of New Mexico....damn.

I liked him a lot too, but he's another person that would do better in the hypothetical Obama Administration than as VP just because of the outlying circumstances of this race.

I wanted either Richardson or Biden. Richardson will still be in the cabinet.

Without a doubt. I didn't mean I didn't like Richardson as a candidate or a person. I just didn't think he'd be a great choice for VP. Obama will have an excellent cabinet if elected.

[Jason Tate]

A guy willing to send a check for hundreds of millions of dollars to a terror-sponsoring regime, no strings attached, isn't exactly a foreign policy genius.
Wait, in which sentence did I say "foreign policy genius"?

Stop talking to me.

[windmillninja]

Wait, in which sentence did I say "foreign policy genius"?

Stop talking to me.

K.

[LastPlaceRocks]

Yeah, he is another one of those that would make the ticket a dually minority one. But his experience at the national and international level is undeniable.

I love his experience - it's a shame he didn't do better in the primaries.

[saysmydoctor]

I love his experience - it's a shame he didn't do better in the primaries.
His performance in the debates was bad, but he did get progressively better, just was too little too late.

Also, Obama and Clinton were household names unlike him.

[LastPlaceRocks]

His performance in the debates was bad, but he did get progressively better, just was too little too late.

Also, Obama and Clinton were household names unlike him.
That's what killed him, as well as Biden. Just not his year.

[saysmydoctor]

Richardson's withdrawal message:

It is with great pride, understanding and acceptance that I am ending my campaign for President of the United States.
When I entered the campaign, it was clear that we, as Democrats, had the most talented field of candidates in my lifetime running to change the direction of our country. And in the end, one of them will.
Despite overwhelming financial and political odds, I am proud of the campaign we waged and the influence we had on the issues that matter most to the future of this country. A year ago, we were the only major campaign calling for the removal of all of our troops within a year's time from Iraq. We were the only campaign calling for a complete reform of education in this country, including the scrapping of No Child Left Behind. And we were the campaign with the most aggressive clean energy plan and the most ambitious standards for reducing global warming. Now, all of the remaining candidates have come to our point of view.
I am honored to have shared the stage with each of these Democrats. And I am enormously grateful to all of my supporters who chose to stand with me despite so many other candidates of accomplishment and potential.
Now I am returning to a job that I love, serving a state that I cherish and doing the work of the people I was elected to serve. As I have always said, I am the luckiest man I know. I am married to my college sweetheart. I live in a place called the Land of Enchantment. I have the best job in the world. And I just got to run for president of the United States.
It doesn't get any better than that.



One of the reasons I supported him.

[cassusriff]

Richardson's withdrawal message:

It is with great pride, understanding and acceptance that I am ending my campaign for President of the United States.
When I entered the campaign, it was clear that we, as Democrats, had the most talented field of candidates in my lifetime running to change the direction of our country. And in the end, one of them will.
Despite overwhelming financial and political odds, I am proud of the campaign we waged and the influence we had on the issues that matter most to the future of this country. A year ago, we were the only major campaign calling for the removal of all of our troops within a year's time from Iraq. We were the only campaign calling for a complete reform of education in this country, including the scrapping of No Child Left Behind. And we were the campaign with the most aggressive clean energy plan and the most ambitious standards for reducing global warming. Now, all of the remaining candidates have come to our point of view.
I am honored to have shared the stage with each of these Democrats. And I am enormously grateful to all of my supporters who chose to stand with me despite so many other candidates of accomplishment and potential.
Now I am returning to a job that I love, serving a state that I cherish and doing the work of the people I was elected to serve. As I have always said, I am the luckiest man I know. I am married to my college sweetheart. I live in a place called the Land of Enchantment. I have the best job in the world. And I just got to run for president of the United States.
It doesn't get any better than that.



One of the reasons I supported him.

thats so awesome.

[saysmydoctor]

thats so awesome.
And he has fought for Native American rights unlike no other.

His website: Bill was also the first chairman of the newly created Subcommittee on Native American Affairs. As Congressman Richardson so colorfully put it, the Indians had been getting screwed by the United States Government for two centuries. I couldn't even the score, but I could try to do what was right.

[saysmydoctor]

http://www.richardsonforpresident.com/issues/iraq

[loveisdead]

http://www.4biden.com/news/iraq-a-way-forward/

[saysmydoctor]

His plan > Obama's plan

[Justin_stacy]

Gallup Daily: No Bounce for Obama in Post-Biden

Tracking McCain creeps ahead, 46% to 44%

http://www.gallup.com/poll/109834/Gallup-Daily-Bounce-Obama-Post-Biden-Tracking.aspx

[saysmydoctor]

Was somebody expecting said bounce? Biden was out early, his supporters were therefore mopped up early.

Edit: Imagine that: http://www.gallup.com/video/109804/Americans-Prefer-Obama-Taxes.aspx :rolleyes:

[Justin_stacy]

Totally makes sense. You don't think her success in Kansas would help sway voters?

Her "success" in Kansas is due in large part to the split between conservative and moderate Republicans and their inablity to reconcile on a state level. So her "success" isn't going to translate into national votes, and that's ignoring the fact that 6 votes aren't going to matter this year.

Biden's a much better pick and offers Obama what he's lacking most.