hey there imbred pigfuckers!

[George W.Bush]

Vote for me, and ill continue to kill american troops in iraq!

[George W.Bush]

did i mention that you can fuck my daughters for 100...no... 5 dollars? 10 dollars for anal!!

[Love As Arson]

I'm pretty sure voting for John Kerry would result in the deaths of troops, too.

[venus/bacchus]

*inbred

[cal1082]

What's the point in moderators when they let threads like this stay?

[BrandNew20]

What's the point in moderators when they let threads like this stay?

they can't be on all the time...there's only two...

[sweethypocrisy]

hey pat

[open mind]

What's the point in moderators when they let threads like this stay?
don't worry kerry has gotten similiar treatment.

[cal1082]

don't worry kerry has gotten similiar treatment.

i know.....neither should be on here.

[open mind]

it's a fucking punk site, a little bit of irreverance toward politicians isn't something unprecedented.

[left_punk]

Vote for me, and ill continue to kill american troops in iraq!

"...or vote for me, John Kerry, and I'll continue killing troops in Iraq, too!"

[commatosa]

"...or vote for me, John Kerry, and I'll continue killing troops in Iraq, too!"

Who got us into this mess?

[Mercy Medical]

*sigh* Do you people seriously have this little to do with their lives that they end up creating threads like this??

[richter915]

*sigh* Do you people seriously have this little to do with their lives that they end up creating threads like this??
the mods suck.

[left_punk]

Who got us into this mess?

That fuck face, George Bush, but that other war-mongering needle-dick, John Kerry, voted for and supported the war In Iraq.

[Mercy Medical]

the mods suck.
I don't think the mods suck, I think Shelly does a good job, but no one can be on here 24/7 to watch everything, ya know. I think Shelly does a good job, but I understand what you're saying. Maybe we need at least one more mod and preferably one in a different time zone so they could somehow get close to everything.

[commatosa]

That fuck face, George Bush, but that other war-mongering needle-dick, John Kerry, voted for and supported the war In Iraq.

And why did he and the senate overwhelmingly vote for force in Iraq (as a last resort, which the president abused)? Because George W. Bush misled us. A lot of people supported the war in Iraq because they were misled. It's easy to manipulate people when you don't tell them the truth.

[Justin_stacy]

And why did he and the senate overwhelmingly vote for force in Iraq (as a last resort, which the president abused)? Because George W. Bush misled us. A lot of people supported the war in Iraq because they were misled. It's easy to manipulate people when you don't tell them the truth.
WOW, Bush must be a really good "misleader," I mean he had to be to mislead Kerry while he was still governor of Texas....

[cal1082]

And why did he and the senate overwhelmingly vote for force in Iraq (as a last resort, which the president abused)? Because George W. Bush misled us. A lot of people supported the war in Iraq because they were misled. It's easy to manipulate people when you don't tell them the truth.

The overwhelmingly voted for force because they had saw the same intel bush had seen. Like Saftey pointed out, Kerry thought Iraq had WMD's before Bush was even President. Explain how Bush mislead Kerry then......?

[Lueda Alia]

The overwhelmingly voted for force because they had saw the same intel bush had seen. Like Saftey pointed out, Kerry thought Iraq had WMD's before Bush was even President. Explain how Bush mislead Kerry then......?

Yeah, a lot of people thought that, but no one attacked Iraq like Bush did.

[Love As Arson]

The senate overwhelmingly voted for the resolution in Iraq in order to stay in power, because, at the time, the majority of Americans were for the war.

[Lueda Alia]

The senate overwhelmingly voted for the resolution in Iraq in order to stay in power, because, at the time, the majority of Americans were for the war.
I wonder why.

[Love As Arson]

I wonder why.
Bush allowed Americans to believe that Saddam was somehow involved in 9-11.

[commatosa]

The overwhelmingly voted for force because they had saw the same intel bush had seen. Like Saftey pointed out, Kerry thought Iraq had WMD's before Bush was even President. Explain how Bush mislead Kerry then......?

Bush painted a picture that made Iraq seem like a much more imminent threat than they actually were. It's debatable if whether or not we should have gone into this war to begin with. But the fact of the matter is that Bush went into the war without an exit strategy. Which brings me back to my original point of who got us into this mess. We wouldn't be in a mess if Bush had a plan to win the peace. We are now in the middle of a new breeding ground for terrorism. And who put us there?

[Lueda Alia]

Bush allowed Americans to believe that Saddam was somehow involved in 9-11.
Exactly.


Oh and about those non-existant WMD's too.

[cal1082]

Bush painted a picture that made Iraq seem like a much more imminent threat than they actually were. It's debatable if whether or not we should have gone into this war to begin with. But the fact of the matter is that Bush went into the war without an exit strategy. Which brings me back to my original point of who got us into this mess. We wouldn't be in a mess if Bush had a plan to win the peace. We are now in the middle of a new breeding ground for terrorism. And who put us there?

the picture was painted by the intelligence of the US, Israel, Britian, and the UN themselves over the past 12 years. Bush didnt some how manifest these things out of thin air.

[commatosa]

the picture was painted by the intelligence of the US, Israel, Britian, and the UN themselves over the past 12 years. Bush didnt some how manifest these things out of thin air.

Oh really? Such as WMD's. Such as a link between Iraq and Al-Qaeda. Such as an imminent threat. Desert Storm was worth it. And Desert Storm was effective. It helped cripple Saddam's regime and his regime would have stayed crippled until the day Saddam died.

[cal1082]

Bush painted a picture that made Iraq seem like a much more imminent threat than they actually were. It's debatable if whether or not we should have gone into this war to begin with. But the fact of the matter is that Bush went into the war without an exit strategy. Which brings me back to my original point of who got us into this mess. We wouldn't be in a mess if Bush had a plan to win the peace. We are now in the middle of a new breeding ground for terrorism. And who put us there?

have you or morningstar bothered reading things like the David Kay report, Duelfer report (i've yet to read this cause it just came out, and wouldnt expect everyone to read the full 1500 or so pages. But you could at least get the summary and details), or Powell's actual speech?

If you'd both read these you would see that many of these accusations you make are completely contradicted on these reports. The only accurate thing you have to this point is that there was no WMD's found.

[cal1082]

Oh really? Such as WMD's. Such as a link between Iraq and Al-Qaeda. Such as an imminent threat. Desert Storm was worth it. And Desert Storm was effective. It helped cripple Saddam's regime and his regime would have stayed crippled until the day Saddam died.

Yes, intel showed they had wmd's and showed a link. Bush didnt make this stuff up in the oval office.

[commatosa]

have you or morningstar bothered reading things like the David Kay report, Duelfer report (i've yet to read this cause it just came out, and wouldnt expect everyone to read the full 1500 or so pages. But you could at least get the summary and details), or Powell's actual speech?

If you'd both read these you would see that many of these accusations you make are completely contradicted on these reports. The only accurate thing you have to this point is that there was no WMD's found.

Have you read the 9/11 commission report? They said that there was no credible evidence that could link saddam and al-qaeda.

[cal1082]

Have you read the 9/11 commission report? They said that there was no credible evidence that could link saddam and al-qaeda.

yes, involving the actual 9/11 attacks, perhaps you shoudl read what they actually said.

[cal1082]

"I must say I have trouble understanding the flak over this. The vice president is saying, I think, that there were connections between al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein's government. We don't disagree with that. What we have said is just what [Republican co-chairman Tom Kean] just said: We don't have any evidence of a cooperative or collaborative relationship between Saddam Hussein's government and al Qaeda with regard to the attacks on the United States. So it seems to me that the sharp differences that the press has drawn, that the media has drawn, are not that apparent to me." ------Democratic co-chairman Lee Hamilton

There goes your no link!

[commatosa]

"I must say I have trouble understanding the flak over this. The vice president is saying, I think, that there were connections between al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein's government. We don't disagree with that. What we have said is just what [Republican co-chairman Tom Kean] just said: We don't have any evidence of a cooperative or collaborative relationship between Saddam Hussein's government and al Qaeda with regard to the attacks on the United States. So it seems to me that the sharp differences that the press has drawn, that the media has drawn, are not that apparent to me." ------Democratic co-chairman Lee Hamilton

There goes your no link!

Do we really need to get into this again?

[cal1082]

Do we really need to get into this again?

No, because that says it point blank.

[commatosa]

No, because that says it point blank.

eh, I'm worn out on debating that topic so I won't even refute.

[Lueda Alia]

How about Rice? She did claim that Iraq was linked to 9/11.

[_astheruinfalls]

No, because that says it point blank.
They never said that there was a link. They BELIEVE there was a link between them OUTSIDE of 9/11. What does that prove? Nothing.

[cal1082]

They never said that there was a link. They BELIEVE there was a link between them OUTSIDE of 9/11. What does that prove? Nothing.

They think there was also a link between Al Qaeda and 9/11. I'll agree it proves nothign more than an educated opinion on there part. Then again, I'm not claiming the 9/11 report said there was no link between Al Qaeda and Iraq.

[cal1082]

Again I go back to this......

have you or morningstar bothered reading things like the David Kay report, Duelfer report (i've yet to read this cause it just came out, and wouldnt expect everyone to read the full 1500 or so pages. But you could at least get the summary and details), or Powell's actual speech?

If you'd both read these you would see that many of these accusations you make are completely contradicted on these reports. The only accurate thing you have to this point is that there was no WMD's found.

[Lueda Alia]

Again I go back to this......

have you or morningstar bothered reading things like the David Kay report, Duelfer report (i've yet to read this cause it just came out, and wouldnt expect everyone to read the full 1500 or so pages. But you could at least get the summary and details), or Powell's actual speech?

If you'd both read these you would see that many of these accusations you make are completely contradicted on these reports. The only accurate thing you have to this point is that there was no WMD's found.

Aren't you saying that this administration never said there were links between Iraq & 9/11?

[_astheruinfalls]

They think there was also a link between Al Qaeda and 9/11. I'll agree it proves nothign more than an educated opinion on there part. Then again, I'm not claiming the 9/11 report said there was no link between Al Qaeda and Iraq.
Duh there was a link between Al Qaeda and 9/11. Who else would have done it? Unless you made a typo...?

That's all I'm trying to say. They have no substantial proof on that claim. So they really need to back off of it. They are just spoon feeding the people nothing but crap.

[cal1082]

Duh there was a link between Al Qaeda and 9/11. Who else would have done it? Unless you made a typo...?

That's all I'm trying to say. They have no substantial proof on that claim. So they really need to back off of it. They are just spoon feeding the people nothing but crap.

I did make a type, meant to say "between Al Qaeda and iraq."

[_astheruinfalls]

I did make a type, meant to say "between Al Qaeda and iraq."
Thought so. Or else I probably would have lost a lot of faith in human kind.

But seriously, how can they believe that? They have nothing to base that on. Or atleast nothing that I have read about, heard, or seen.

[cal1082]

Thought so. Or else I probably would have lost a lot of faith in human kind.

But seriously, how can they believe that? They have nothing to base that on. Or atleast nothing that I have read about, heard, or seen.

I havent seen all the intel the 9/11 commission has seen, but I'm sure they've seen a lot. And from what they've seen, they see a connection. Take it as it is.

[_astheruinfalls]

I havent seen all the intel the 9/11 commission has seen, but I'm sure they've seen a lot. And from what they've seen, they see a connection. Take it as it is.
True. But I don't know. I still see it as flaky because of the fact that they have shown the American people, the ones who they are telling this to, no proof.

[cal1082]

True. But I don't know. I still see it as flaky because of the fact that they have shown the American people, the ones who they are telling this to, no proof.

that's fine to be skeptical, but at the same time you can't discard their findings. For the time being take is as it is, and more stuff will come along.

[_astheruinfalls]

that's fine to be skeptical, but at the same time you can't discard their findings. For the time being take is as it is, and more stuff will come along.
I know. I can accept that there might be a link ( outside of 9/11 ) between Saddam and Al Qaeda. But I seriously doubt it. But if they can prove it, then I would accept it. ( And no, that isn't flip flopping. :lol2: )

[cal1082]

I know. I can accept that there might be a link ( outside of 9/11 ) between Saddam and Al Qaeda. But I seriously doubt it. But if they can prove it, then I would accept it. ( And no, that isn't flip flopping. :lol2: )

that's a perfectly reasonable conclusion, just explain reasonable to morningstar.

[Lueda Alia]

that's a perfectly reasonable conclusion, just explain reasonable to morningstar.
no one needs to explain anything to me.

[open mind]

the picture was painted by the intelligence of the US, Israel, Britian, and the UN themselves over the past 12 years. Bush didnt some how manifest these things out of thin air.
the intelligence community had been saying iraq wasn't a real problem for years,a few days AFTER cheney came out and said they were a big threat the intel did a quick 180.

[open mind]

that's fine to be skeptical, but at the same time you can't discard their findings. For the time being take is as it is, and more stuff will come along.
just like those wmds.......