View Full Version : should i feel guilty about this?
historymonth
08/21/08, 11:06 PM
so this kid that i went to high school with died a couple of weeks ago. he got shot by one of the biggest pieces of shit ever to come out of the town where i grew up. the deceased, in all fairness, was also a terrible person. he broke into my house not once, not twice, but three times over the course of 18 months to steal my playstation 2 (this was in 2005, they weren't exactly a difficult commodity to come by), and used to peddle low grade smack to freshmen girls in exchange for handjobs. he had been arrested several times for assault, and was on probation for his third DUI. when we were in elementary school, he used to steal his neighbors' cats and dogs and fuck them up, cutting their paws up and shit.
anyway, now that he's dead, everyone i went to school with is acting as if he was the greatest dude. despite the fact that these people effectively made him a pariah throughout high school for his disturbing, anti-social behavior, apparently they all feel that he had a significant positive impact on their life. are you fucking kidding me? i'm not saying i am glad that the kid died. that's horrible, and i would never wish such a thing on anyone or their family, but i don't understand how anyone can be so out of touch with reality as to think that a sociopathic drug dealer was somehow a positive influence on the world. holy shit.
swt_catastrophe
08/21/08, 11:11 PM
i think it's more of a "respect the dead" thing.
but i agree with you, just because someone's gone, it doesn't instantly make them a saint
remedyeli
08/21/08, 11:14 PM
That's what I don't like/get about high school.
When someone who went to that school dies, everyone suddenly was their best friend or atleast exaggerate their friendship with the person.
I find it insulting in a way.
no you shouldn't feel guilty, but shouldn't be happy. He sounded like a horrible person though.
HelpMeSleep
08/21/08, 11:16 PM
i think it's more of a "respect the dead" thing.
but i agree with you, just because someone's gone, it doesn't instantly make them a saint
this.
Why would you feel guilty?
historymonth
08/21/08, 11:21 PM
Why would you feel guilty?
well, i was talking to a girl about it, and i said "yeah, i mean, i feel bad for josh's family and everything, but come on, let's be honest with ourselves. the dude had it coming" and she flipped out on me and tried to make me feel like a shitty person for having a realistic view on the matter.
64 % chance
08/21/08, 11:24 PM
smack her
well, i was talking to a girl about it, and i said "yeah, i mean, i feel bad for josh's family and everything, but come on, let's be honest with ourselves. the dude had it coming" and she flipped out on me and tried to make me feel like a shitty person for having a realistic view on the matter.
You should only feel guilty if you think what you said was wrong. If you don't, then don't worry about it.
historymonth
08/21/08, 11:28 PM
smack her
im way ahead of you
64 % chance
08/21/08, 11:33 PM
im way ahead of you
i like how you think
notoaststereo
08/21/08, 11:49 PM
sounds like the guy deserved it.
lo0serkid1118
08/22/08, 12:13 AM
You should ask the kiss the octopuss guy over in the jerry finn news post.
But seriously I've always noticed that too. When someone who really wasn't a great person died and everyone says they were great kinda pisses me off. I would just remember how they were assholes if that's how the were
coltenTALK
08/22/08, 12:28 AM
That's what I don't like/get about high school.
When someone who went to that school dies, everyone suddenly was their best friend or atleast exaggerate their friendship with the person.
I find it insulting in a way.
no you shouldn't feel guilty, but shouldn't be happy. He sounded like a horrible person though.
That happened at my school. This girl died of cancer, and as soon as she died everyone acted as if they NEVER talked shit about her. They acted like she was the closest person to them. No one liked her except the people she hung out with. No one liked them either, they kind of thought they were above everyone else. But as soon as she died everyone all of a sudden had this huge love and respect for her... I don't understand it. They all walked to her house to pay respects, which is cool and all. (I didn't go) but they were taking myspace pictures a long the way, so they couldn't of had that much respect for her. People got pissed off at me for not really being moved by it... It was kind of a fake sadness that came from everyone... I don't get it at all.
TSLROCKS
08/22/08, 12:30 AM
I wouldn't feel guilty in a situation like that
DannySniper
08/22/08, 12:33 AM
That happened at my school. This girl died of cancer, and as soon as she died everyone acted as if they NEVER talked shit about her. They acted like she was the closest person to them. No one liked her except the people she hung out with. No one liked them either, they kind of thought they were above everyone else. But as soon as she died everyone all of a sudden had this huge love and respect for her... I don't understand it. They all walked to her house to pay respects, which is cool and all. (I didn't go) but they were taking myspace pictures a long the way, so they couldn't of had that much respect for her. People got pissed off at me for not really being moved by it... It was kind of a fake sadness that came from everyone... I don't get it at all.
The wonders of the internet.
MissHeatherAnn
08/22/08, 12:38 AM
Don't feel guilty. That would annoy the shit out of me too.
coltenTALK
08/22/08, 12:39 AM
The wonders of the internet.
I know dude. It was ridiculous.
DannySniper
08/22/08, 12:41 AM
I know dude. It was ridiculous.
Exactly.
I mean really...
...FaceBook > MySpace.
Who doesn't know that?
coltenTALK
08/22/08, 12:42 AM
Exactly.
I mean really...
...FaceBook > MySpace.
Who doesn't know that?
Rofl.
johnh5304
08/22/08, 12:45 AM
Did this guy touch you when you were children?
Jiminy Cricket
08/22/08, 01:00 AM
Ehhh, I'd probably say that apart from the whole "respect for the dead" thing, which I totally believe in, I think it's probably something to do with the need for drama/attention that we all have.
chipdip18
08/22/08, 01:29 AM
Don't feel guilty at all. This in a way relates, and in a way doesn't. Back in my freshman year of high school my older sister died and everyone at school, as soon as i came back pretended to be my best friend and gave me all sorts of attention, and you know what? I just wanted to be treated normal, and i didn't want all that false sympathy and that people seemed to feel obligated to shove down my throat. People simply just don't know how to react because death is uncommon, and a teenager sure doesn't know what to do. Especially if the death doesn't even involve them. You just need to be the better person and look at this from an outside view. Don't feel guilty, you're on the right track. Be respectful but not fake about it.
showbiz
08/22/08, 07:15 AM
Exactly.
I mean really...
...FaceBook > MySpace.
Who doesn't know that?
you, sir, have made my day.
DannySniper
08/22/08, 06:52 PM
you, sir, have made my day.
:shrug: I do what I can.
swt_catastrophe
08/22/08, 06:56 PM
:shrug: I do what I can.
it's the aussie!
scmaley
08/22/08, 07:01 PM
I've known several people who have passed away in the past year and I've really seen the sorts of things that the OP described. I figure that people need to reflect positively on people have died to help themselves deal with the whole death/dying thing. I see the ridiculousness, but I just don't say anything, since it must just be how they need to grieve.
Fallinto_rhythm
08/23/08, 08:35 AM
all I have to say is karma is bitch. What goes around really does
comes around. There was this bitch when I was a senior who was the biggest piece of shit I ever met. Well one day she was hit by a car, and was fucked up pretty bad. I have no remorse for her, even though that was unfortunate.
Billy Da Mute
08/23/08, 09:12 AM
I wouldn't feel too guilty...and I agree with the post above me. karma's a bitch
Blacking_out
08/23/08, 09:22 AM
No need to feel guilty here.
mellzie14
08/23/08, 09:23 AM
I've experienced this too. I think people do it for attention.
fran.182
08/24/08, 10:53 AM
he deserved!
thecretinisback
08/24/08, 06:10 PM
well, i was talking to a girl about it, and i said "yeah, i mean, i feel bad for josh's family and everything, but come on, let's be honest with ourselves. the dude had it coming" and she flipped out on me and tried to make me feel like a shitty person for having a realistic view on the matter.
so i guess it was decent smack she got for the handjob?
sandra92
08/24/08, 07:34 PM
Those people may show those feelings about him now just because he died .. and people only give some value to people or things when they lose them . And maybe he is a positivie influence in a way to warn other people about that kind of life or something like that .
Don't feel guilty .
caress me down
08/25/08, 06:10 AM
so this kid that i went to high school with died a couple of weeks ago. he got shot by one of the biggest pieces of shit ever to come out of the town where i grew up. the deceased, in all fairness, was also a terrible person. he broke into my house not once, not twice, but three times over the course of 18 months to steal my playstation 2 (this was in 2005, they weren't exactly a difficult commodity to come by), and used to peddle low grade smack to freshmen girls in exchange for handjobs. he had been arrested several times for assault, and was on probation for his third DUI. when we were in elementary school, he used to steal his neighbors' cats and dogs and fuck them up, cutting their paws up and shit.
anyway, now that he's dead, everyone i went to school with is acting as if he was the greatest dude. despite the fact that these people effectively made him a pariah throughout high school for his disturbing, anti-social behavior, apparently they all feel that he had a significant positive impact on their life. are you fucking kidding me? i'm not saying i am glad that the kid died. that's horrible, and i would never wish such a thing on anyone or their family, but i don't understand how anyone can be so out of touch with reality as to think that a sociopathic drug dealer was somehow a positive influence on the world. holy shit.
it's sad how i read that and thought it was so much worse than all of the preceding details
eHaMpToN
08/25/08, 08:43 AM
he had it coming
miketrondson
08/25/08, 09:01 AM
That's one of my main peaves with people.
Over the past 5 years, I've known 3 people who died under fucked up circumstances. I say fucked up, only because they could've prevented their deaths.
A kid I went to school with died in a car accident. Him and his friend were completely bombed and fucked up on pills. They rolled the car into a ditch or something. The kid was such a piece of shit to teachers, people and his friends. Some teachers actually said they'd rather not waste time at his viewing or funeral. But now he's gone and he's a saint?
Another kid was a hockey prodigy. Well until him his friend ran their Ford Explorer through the front of a brick house and almost through the back of it. They had to cut the kid's dead body out. They were fucked up on all kinds of stuff. He's a saint now too.
The last kid was a straight edge kid who fought everyone, talked shit, spit on girls and any other obnoxious thing you could think of to people. Total piece of shit. Well, the kid broke edge and then started doing heavy drugs. Died of a meth overdose. The same kid who made fun of my friends for drinking and smoking weed ends up 6 feet under for something much worse than both of those. Everyone of the straight edge kids who turned their back on him now hate themselves for being shitty friends. Most other people look at this kid as one of the best people who walked this Earth. That baffles me, when all you hear are stories of him being a shithead.
I don't feel bad for any of these people at all. I don't feel guilty for that. You shouldn't either. They were shitty people who had the chance to change themselves for the better and didn't. It's not your fault at all. Karma is a bitch.
ReadyForAction
08/25/08, 09:39 AM
Everyone in this thread needs to read Speaker For The Dead asap
ReadyForAction
08/25/08, 09:40 AM
and was the shooter caught?
alx.sully
08/25/08, 10:00 AM
Speaker for the Dead is an awesome book...
Honestly, if I died, i would be so ridiculously pissed if everyone acted like that
in fact, i would probably haunt them, cuz i would be pissed
The thing is, some people really were cool
and making a saint out of a ****** sort of cheapens the deaths of people who were actually good people
Burning Star IV
08/25/08, 10:03 AM
As cruel as it sounds, some people just don't deserve to live.
The_kok
08/25/08, 10:07 AM
you need to piss on his grave
it's the right thing to do
sandra92
08/25/08, 11:48 AM
it's sad how i read that and thought it was so much worse than all of the preceding details
I thought that too :s
No need to feel guilty. Some may have actually been extremely close to this prick, feeling extreme grief; but many others are just doing it for the attention. All they want is for everyone to see how "sad" they are so that they can be "comforted."
Ugh.
miketrondson
08/25/08, 02:11 PM
They'll go so far as to post myspace bulletins with "open letters" to the departed, just so they ride on the coat tails of the dead. That's the worst. Ok, they're dead and you're sad. Don't beg for attention while posting bulletins about it.
SgtSmegma
08/25/08, 02:24 PM
I immediately thought of that last verse on Styrofoam Plates when I read this.
SgtSmegma
08/25/08, 02:25 PM
As cruel as it sounds, some people just don't deserve to live.
True
Anthony Lutz
08/25/08, 04:05 PM
i think it's more of a "respect the dead" thing.
but i agree with you, just because someone's gone, it doesn't instantly make them a saint
Yeah, this seems to be the best explanation.
atticus1492
08/25/08, 05:53 PM
Y0u Are Such An Asshole.
jster2000
08/25/08, 06:07 PM
wow
that guy seems awful
but in all honesty
it is a respect the dead thing
even if he himself is a total piece of shit ass hole
jos_hua
08/25/08, 06:18 PM
yeah, this happens a lot and all the time. people always act like they really cared about someone when they die especially hollywood actors and other famous people who they couldn't give a care for when they were alive.
wroteurname
08/26/08, 10:29 PM
A gangbanger-ish kid I went to school with got shot last year. He was the first of our class to die, people were pretty shook up but no one was like exaggerating his importance which I thought was cool everyone. One of the biggest mistakes of my life was joining a facebook group in his honor-I get all these damn messages from this kid who is "trying to sell his debut rap album in honor of his dead best friend". Like, I wanna leave the group-but that's a dick move. I'm a much worse person than the OP.
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