lemme just one question...

[boysdontcry]

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/10/12/bush_wireless_coaching/

[theESCO]

If you look close, outside the white circle youll see it bulge up at both shoulders also. Its wraps around them...It's obsiously a bullet proof vest.

Our 'tough guy' president is scared of getting shot at a closed debate.

[Lueda Alia]

http://isbushwired.com

[Justin_stacy]

http://homepage.mac.com/cfj/.Movies/JFKCheat.mov ......i guess when Kerry actually cheats its not as big of a news story....


According to the 32-page Memorandum of Understanding agreed to by the two campaigns for governing the four debates....including tomorrow's vice presidential match-up.....no notes, charts, or other writings of any kind are allowed, unless placed on each candidates lectern by debate commission staffers.

Specifically, Section 5c says:


No props, notes, charts, diagrams, or other writings or other tangible things may be brought into the debate by any candidate. Neither candidate may reference or cite any specific individual sitting in a debate audience at any time during a debate. If a candidate references or cites any specific individual(s) in a debate audience, or if a candidate uses a prop, note, or other writing or other tangible thing during a debate, the moderator must interrupt and explain that reference or citation to the specific individual(s) or the use of the prop, note, or other writing or thing violates the debate rules agreed to by that candidate.
Moreover, according to Section 5d:


Notwithstanding subparagraph 5(c), the candidates may take notes during the debate on the size, color, and type of paper each prefers and using the type of pen or pencil that each prefers. Each candidate must submit to the staff of the Commission prior to the debate all such paper and any pens or pencils with which a candidate may wish to take notes during the debate, and the staff of the Commission will place such paper, pens, and pencils on the podium, table, or other structure to be used by the candidate in that debate

[BrandNew20]

Bush actually cheated too.

[BrandNew20]

and by that I mean that there is just as much evidence condemning Bush for cheating as there is for Kerry...we have photos of both doing so.

[Justin_stacy]

and by that I mean that there is just as much evidence condemning Bush for cheating as there is for Kerry...we have photos of both doing so.
no, actually, you have a picture of a wrinkle in the back of Bush jacket, which i agree could be something or it could be nothing, but it is not proof....now on the other hand, the link i showed you, shows Kerry pulling out a white piece of paper out of his coat pocket, setting it down on his podium and reading it....now what is on the paper, who knows, but it is infact against the rules his team fought for....and a "cheat"...

[Justin_stacy]

Bush actually cheated too.
proof??? Or is your predetermined guilt proof enough for you?

[BrandNew20]

no, actually, you have a picture of a wrinkle in the back of Bush jacket, which i agree could be something or it could be nothing, but it is not proof....now on the other hand, the link i showed you, shows Kerry pulling out a white piece of paper out of his coat pocket, setting it down on his podium and reading it....now what is on the paper, who knows, but it is infact against the rules his team fought for....and a "cheat"...

I agree, on the link you posted, Kerry does pull something out, therefore if the rules you posted are correct it does make him a cheater, but I ask the question, How much could a piece of paper help him? I don't see what he could have gotten out of that piece of paper, any agrument he had should have been committed to memeory by now...it could have been just a blank piece of paper, it could have been something that helps him...its the same thing for Bush, it could have been just a wrinkle(which seems like an odd wrinkle, but those photos could have always been doctored) or it could have been a wire helping him with coaching in the debate...we'll probably never know exactly what it was either canadate had.

[BrandNew20]

proof??? Or is your predetermined guilt proof enough for you?

I was just trying to make the point that we know about as much as what Kerry pulled out as what Bush had in his coat.

[BrandNew20]

I'm not trying to deny the fact that Kerry cheated.

[Justin_stacy]

I agree, on the link you posted, Kerry does pull something out, therefore if the rules you posted are correct it does make him a cheater, but I ask the question, How much could a piece of paper help him? I don't see what he could have gotten out of that piece of paper, any agrument he had should have been committed to memeory by now...it could have been just a blank piece of paper, it could have been something that helps him....
Thank you, i couldn't agree more with that, which is why i never posted the link before.....i have no idea of what was on that paper or if anything was(it could have been scrape paper)...but the fact was if were going to call Bush a cheater on this site do to suspicsion, we also need to call out the actually cheater, whether or not he (Kerry) gained anything by his action....


its the same thing for Bush, it could have been just a wrinkle(which seems like an odd wrinkle, but those photos could have always been doctored) or it could have been a wire helping him with coaching in the debate...we'll probably never know exactly what it was either canadate had.

my quesiton here, is with all the money the RNC has don't you think they could have found a smaller unit? Or a better place to hid it? Those two questions right there are the biggest detractors from buying into this conspiracy theory....it just wouldn't make any sense to put it on his back in plan view....but maybe reasonable doubt is an alien term to the brits (see first post)?

[yeat182]

Bush actually cheated too.

there is no evidence at all. like someone already posted, it is most likely a bulletproof vest.

[Justin_stacy]

I was just trying to make the point that we know about as much as what Kerry pulled out as what Bush had in his coat.
fair, but i feel that the difference is that we actual see the piece of paper and where he got it....all we see on bush is a wrinkle or a lump....and in my opinion that gives quite a bit more validity to the arguement against Kerry then it does Bush...

But I agree that both, could, raise suspicions...

[BrandNew20]

there is no evidence at all. like someone already posted, it is most likely a bulletproof vest.

while I don't deny that it definatly could have been a bulletproof vest, its scary to think that Bush needs one while giving a debate in a closed debate hall, with virtually unlimited security.

[yeat182]

while I don't deny that it definatly could have been a bulletproof vest, its scary to think that Bush needs one while giving a debate in a closed debate hall, with virtually unlimited security.

why take the chance? it takes no effort to put a vest on, yet if something happened and he didn't have it on, we would ask, why not, its such a simple precaution.

[BrandNew20]

why take the chance? it takes no effort to put a vest on, yet if something happened and he didn't have it on, we would ask, why not, its such a simple precaution.

but has Bush said it was a vest? why not just say that to put to end all of the speculation as to what it was?

[yeat182]

but has Bush said it was a vest? why not just say that to put to end all of the speculation as to what it was?

to my knowledge, they haven't stated what it was, but do they really need to respond to every rumor someone comes up with? i never heard a statement from Kerry about what he whipped out at the first debate.

[BrandNew20]

to my knowledge, they haven't stated what it was, but do they really need to respond to every rumor someone comes up with? i never heard a statement from Kerry about what he whipped out at the first debate.

I would think that Kerry wouldn't make a statement as to what it was because that would be essentially admitting that he did cheat, because it was against the rules for him to take anything out, regardless if it was just scrap paper or a cheat sheet.

I would think Bush would want to clear his name because the media seems to be making a bigger deal about this than they did with Kerry(for instance, Bush's advisors have been directly asked about this), so I would think Bush would want to clear his name...but you are right, Bush shouldn't have to respond to every rumor that is started.

[boysdontcry]

while I don't deny that it definatly could have been a bulletproof vest, its scary to think that Bush needs one while giving a debate in a closed debate hall, with virtually unlimited security.
well it's not a far fetched idea. usually when bush makes a public speaking appearance, the secret service only let's registered republicans in the area. being as the debates were comprised of republicans, democrats, independents, etc. he may have very well worn a bulletproof vest (because he knows A LOT of people literally hate him).

anyway, when i posted the link i wasn't implying that i thought he was/was not actually wired during the debate, i just wanted to see your opinions.