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Jason Tate
10/15/04, 04:39 PM
Jon Stewart annihilates the Crossfire crew live on CNN. Read the transcript here (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0410/15/cf.01.html). (On a similar note I recommend the movie "Outfoxed (http://www.outfoxed.org/)")

isitmeisittrue
10/15/04, 04:43 PM
anyone know if this will reair cause i really wanna see it

tbag311
10/15/04, 04:46 PM
i don't think that crossfire airs again after it's original showing...hopefully it i'm wrong though

Jason Tate
10/15/04, 04:52 PM
absolutely destroyed those guys .. genius.

BrandNew20
10/15/04, 04:54 PM
absolutely destroyed those guys .. genius.

I really wish I could see the video of this...

Robb
10/15/04, 05:08 PM
At his concert last Sunday, Morrissey announced his "Jon Stewart for President" campaign.

sweethypocrisy
10/15/04, 05:09 PM
PRESIDENT?!

jon stewart for god

Jason Tate
10/15/04, 05:16 PM
http://bitflood.org:8080/?file=791b2f5d95a54d1381b85f271b51f 71e73964185

a torrent for those interested.

djUbilla
10/15/04, 05:18 PM
http://bitflood.org:8080/?file=791b2f5d95a54d1381b85f271b51f 71e73964185

a torrent for those interested.
thank ya, jason

AudioBoxer624
10/15/04, 05:19 PM
The files aren't working for me. They're coming up as .torrent files.

CT-Tim
10/15/04, 05:21 PM
My friend is voting Strongbad/Emeril for president/vp ;)

hinkelmanf
10/15/04, 05:21 PM
thanks for the torrent nogga.

Jason Tate
10/15/04, 05:21 PM
The files aren't working for me. They're coming up as .torrent files.
http://bittorrent.com/

_astheruinfalls
10/15/04, 05:26 PM
PRESIDENT?!

jon stewart for god
I actually agree.

tyais
10/15/04, 05:32 PM
I like Jon Stewart for the simple fact that he knows both parties are spewing crap day in and day out. He wants cooperation, not domination.

commatosa
10/15/04, 05:36 PM
Yes, I got it on tape. The thing that sucks is that I like Crossfire and The Daily Show. Those are two of my favorite shows. But it was refreshing to watch Jon Stewart call Tucker Carlson a dick and make fun of his bow tie. He made excellent points and pretty much laced into them. He was pretty much lacing into all shows like that (Hardball, Hannity & Colmes).

PunkDrums182
10/15/04, 05:38 PM
stewart kicked ass. that was amazing. they called him boring, he was hilariously right, those guys were so pwned. somebody get a pic of that video and right PWNED on it for a new owned pic.

brandonrocks
10/15/04, 05:43 PM
My friend is voting Strongbad/Emeril for president/vp ;)


because nothing is cooler than wasting your vote

billcom6
10/15/04, 05:44 PM
crossfire is retarded, i could tear them apart easily, so im not too suprised john stewart did, im not on john stewarts meat like everyone else but hes a smart guy


he should tear apart john edwards next do you that edwards said "with john kerry as president, people like christopher reeves will walk again" how fuckin ridiculous is that? playin on paralyzed peoples hopes of walking again to get votes, that is discusting

thewk
10/15/04, 05:55 PM
stewart
OWNED THEM.
that made me feel so good.

commatosa
10/15/04, 05:57 PM
crossfire is retarded, i could tear them apart easily, so im not too suprised john stewart did, im not on john stewarts meat like everyone else but hes a smart guy


he should tear apart john edwards next do you that edwards said "with john kerry as president, people like christopher reeves will walk again" how fuckin ridiculous is that? playin on paralyzed peoples hopes of walking again to get votes, that is discusting

Well first, Christopher Reeves is dead. And also, he was making a reference to stem cell research. Stem cell research could potentially cure spinal chord injury (among thousands of other diseases). Bush has put up many road blocks because him and his conservative base think that using embryos is murder. Even if it was (which it's not), don't you think using embryos, which would be wasted anyway, is worth saving millions of lives? John Kerry wouldn't put up any road blocks. That's what John Edwards was saying.

billcom6
10/15/04, 06:12 PM
no hes sayin john kerry will cure paralysis, look at what he said, not what you think he meant

isitmeisittrue
10/15/04, 06:18 PM
how old are you? 35. and you wear a bow tie...haha so funny.

Jason Tate
10/15/04, 06:18 PM
no hes sayin john kerry will cure paralysis, look at what he said, not what you think he meant
Hypocrite.

It's obvious what he said if you take the context of his comment, and if you're going to bitch about something that has a high probability of actually being true (why not dream? it's better to dream about this than "star wars" and missiles), but not discuss the BLATENT lie over Bin Laden that Bush gave in his last debate, you have some serious soul searching to do ...

Also, if you do the google search on what your quote was, the first articles:

CNN.com - Frist knocks Edwards over stem cell comment - Oct 12 ...
... country, the work that we will do when John Kerry is president, people like Christopher
Reeve will get up out of that wheelchair and walk again," Edwards said. ...
www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/10/12/edwards.stem.cell/ - 57k - Oct 13, 2004 - Cached - Similar pages

Rightwing Conspiracy Newsletter # 80
... When John Kerry is president, people like Christopher Reeve are going get up out
of that wheelchair and walk again.' Edwards made the unprecedented campaign ...
www.angelfire.com/ak2/ intelligencerreport/rightwing80.html - 9k - Oct 13, 2004 - Cached - Similar pages

Boston.com / News / Nation / GOP hits Edwards on stem-cell talk
... the work that we will do when John Kerry is president, people like Christopher Reeve
are going to get up out of that wheelchair and walk again," Edwards told ...
www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/ 2004/10/13/gop_hits_edwards_on_stem_cell_talk/ - 32k - Oct 13, 2004 - Cached - Similar pages

Right Wing News (Conservative News and Views)
... do in this country, the work that we will do when John Kerry is President, people
like Christopher Reeve will get up out of that wheelchair and walk again..". ...
www.rightwingnews.com/ - 55k - Cached - Similar pages

As for the ACTUAL full quote you're talking heads keep takling about is:

Edwards said Reeve, who died Sunday, "was a powerful voice for the need to do stem cell research and change the lives of people like him.

"If we do the work that we can do in this country, the work that we will do when John Kerry is president, people like Christopher Reeve will get up out of that wheelchair and walk again," Edwards said.

isitmeisittrue
10/15/04, 06:24 PM
i liked this show so much better when it was called hannity and colmes.

billcom6
10/15/04, 06:42 PM
how am i a hypocrite?

all i said was IMO he was playing on peoples emotions by promising stuff he cant deliver to get votes

so chill out before you start name callin like 12 year old girl and telling me i have "soul searching" to do

Jason Tate
10/15/04, 06:47 PM
how am i a hypocrite?

all i said was IMO he was playing on peoples emotions by promising stuff he cant deliver to get votes

so chill out before you start name callin like 12 year old girl and telling me i have "soul searching" to do
It's hard to say what you were "saying" when it's posted above.

70x7
10/15/04, 06:53 PM
Jon Stewart did do a real good job.

Making fun of Tucker Carlson for wearing a bow tie though is stupid. Who's to say that's any worse than a regular tie or a bolo tie or anything. Bow ties are no worse than cargo pants or jeans from Express and you know that covers 90% of the people here.

tbag311
10/15/04, 07:00 PM
sweetness! thanks for the torrent man....awesome that someone thought of recording crossfire :blah:

Jason Tate
10/15/04, 07:04 PM
Jon Stewart did do a real good job.

Making fun of Tucker Carlson for wearing a bow tie though is stupid. Who's to say that's any worse than a regular tie or a bolo tie or anything. Bow ties are no worse than cargo pants or jeans from Express and you know that covers 90% of the people here.
Bow ties suck.

druck
10/15/04, 07:06 PM
if john stewart ran for president, i would vote for him in a heartbeat. and im sure most of america would as well, i mean look at arnold.

aminorthreat55
10/15/04, 07:13 PM
absolutely destroyed those guys .. genius.

YES

aminorthreat55
10/15/04, 07:13 PM
YES

P.S. I hate Tucker Carlson.

strikeunderwear
10/15/04, 07:16 PM
That was fucking brilliant. I wish I had a video of it. My favorite part:

STEWART: You know what's interesting, though? You're as big a dick on your show as you are on any show.

aminorthreat55
10/15/04, 07:17 PM
That was fucking brilliant. I wish I had a video of it. My favorite part:

STEWART: You know what's interesting, though? You're as big a dick on your show as you are on any show.

Yeah, that was awesome:
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ShoeSh1ne
10/15/04, 07:37 PM
Real Time With Bill Maher is absolutely awesome as well. Its on HBO Friday night @ 11 est.

tbag311
10/15/04, 07:40 PM
man, after watching that i've gained so much (more) respect for john stewart. Seroiusly, he fuckin ripped tuckers head off, and i hate that fucker. damn right-winger! go jon!

ILoveYourChaos
10/15/04, 07:42 PM
pwned

thanks for the bt link.

billcom6
10/15/04, 07:49 PM
just for the record, most conservatives do not like tucker carlson

oxfordqueef
10/15/04, 07:55 PM
i donno. i'd rather go with George Carlin for president.

ShoeSh1ne
10/15/04, 07:57 PM
And he said dick on live television. Awesome.

dude45230
10/15/04, 07:59 PM
wow, Carlson and Begala sure acted like they couldn't take him seriously.
"I think you're a great comedian..."
"I thought you were going to be funny..."
"Is this really Jon Stewart?"

Jon's trying to be serious and they are COMPLETELY trying to get him off topic. I've lost the little respect I still had for Crossfire right there. It's not like I'm naive and think the media is always really doing what it should, I'm a Journalism major here in college and fully aware of the embarassing and deceitful state of the newsmedia, but when a show is going out of its way to repress free speech, especially the opinion and concrete observations as smart a guy as Jon Stewart, its repulsive.

AnonomusVsCA
10/15/04, 08:06 PM
rip chris
http://maddox.xmission.com/c.cgi?u=creeve

aminorthreat55
10/15/04, 08:09 PM
just for the record, most conservatives do not like tucker carlson

Just for the record, most people do not like Tucker Carlson. It wouldn't suprise me if he secretly hated himself.

70x7
10/15/04, 08:18 PM
Bow ties suck.

cargo pants suck


PS: You shouldn't hate somebody just because they have a different political view as you. And I think a lot of people hate Tucker Carlson just because he's conservative. A lot of people villify Bush, saying how bad of human being he is, but even the other guy from Crossfire at least admitted he was a good guy, just not a good president.

PPS: Did anybody else catch The Decemberists on John McEnroe's show tonight. That was genious

Jason Tate
10/15/04, 08:22 PM
cargo pants suck


PS: You shouldn't hate somebody just because they have a different political view as you. And I think a lot of people hate Tucker Carlson just because he's conservative. A lot of people villify Bush, saying how bad of human being he is, but even the other guy from Crossfire at least admitted he was a good guy, just not a good president.

PPS: Did anybody else catch The Decemberists on John McEnroe's show tonight. That was genious
I like cargo pants, go back to your wranglers. And Carlson is a fucking douche bag no matter how you cut it ...

70x7
10/15/04, 09:19 PM
I like cargo pants, go back to your wranglers. And Carlson is a fucking douche bag no matter how you cut it ...

Because that many pockets are needed? Come on, you know how highly I think of myself, why would I wear Wrangler when I can wear Diesel. And do you know Tucker Carlson personally? Since I can't judge John Edwards based on what I hear from people or see on TV, then you shouldn't be able to judge Tucker Carlson.

new_deal13
10/15/04, 09:42 PM
No matter how you look at it...the whole American News Media system has turned into a war propaganda machine. I live in Canada, and I cannot even stomach to watch the majority of American television anymore. All you hear about it how people of Middle-Eastern descent are terrorists, the whole lot of them, and how America will be atacked again. The United States live under a reign of fear. This is how the Bush establishment holds it's power. With the fact that since they have been in the so called "War Against Terror", no attacks have occured on American soil by "Foreign Extremists". Please keep in mind that the Western World has just as many "Extremists", it's just that the media tends to downplay their involement in anything.

This is the Japanese Internment of the Second World War, and the Ukranian Internment of the First World War all over again.

Politically speaking, America needs a change. Never has a country been so hated because of it's establishment, or governenment. And ignrance runs rampant among the Western World. Any Canadian would know this simply by watching CBC's Talking to Americans.

Jon Stewart is the begginning of this change. I'm glad he ripped apart Crossfire, and the establishment of CNN as a whole. It was time someone stood their ground on what they believe in a television environment.

*Just a note...some of the things posted are over-generalizations. Please take them appropriatley so. I love Americans, I just simply hate ignorance. I am not Pro-Kerry or Anti-Bush, just Pro-Change.*

johnarc
10/15/04, 10:21 PM
No matter how you look at it...the whole American News Media system has turned into a war propaganda machine. I live in Canada, and I cannot even stomach to watch the majority of American television anymore. All you hear about it how people of Middle-Eastern descent are terrorists, the whole lot of them, and how America will be atacked again. The United States live under a reign of fear. This is how the Bush establishment holds it's power. With the fact that since they have been in the so called "War Against Terror", no attacks have occured on American soil by "Foreign Extremists". Please keep in mind that the Western World has just as many "Extremists", it's just that the media tends to downplay their involement in anything.

This is the Japanese Internment of the Second World War, and the Ukranian Internment of the First World War all over again.

Politically speaking, America needs a change. Never has a country been so hated because of it's establishment, or governenment. And ignrance runs rampant among the Western World. Any Canadian would know this simply by watching CBC's Talking to Americans.

Jon Stewart is the begginning of this change. I'm glad he ripped apart Crossfire, and the establishment of CNN as a whole. It was time someone stood their ground on what they believe in a television environment.

*Just a note...some of the things posted are over-generalizations. Please take them appropriatley so. I love Americans, I just simply hate ignorance. I am not Pro-Kerry or Anti-Bush, just Pro-Change.*
well said, good sir.

aminorthreat55
10/15/04, 10:31 PM
No matter how you look at it...the whole American News Media system has turned into a war propaganda machine. I live in Canada, and I cannot even stomach to watch the majority of American television anymore. All you hear about it how people of Middle-Eastern descent are terrorists, the whole lot of them, and how America will be atacked again. The United States live under a reign of fear. This is how the Bush establishment holds it's power. With the fact that since they have been in the so called "War Against Terror", no attacks have occured on American soil by "Foreign Extremists". Please keep in mind that the Western World has just as many "Extremists", it's just that the media tends to downplay their involement in anything.

This is the Japanese Internment of the Second World War, and the Ukranian Internment of the First World War all over again.

Politically speaking, America needs a change. Never has a country been so hated because of it's establishment, or governenment. And ignrance runs rampant among the Western World. Any Canadian would know this simply by watching CBC's Talking to Americans.

Jon Stewart is the begginning of this change. I'm glad he ripped apart Crossfire, and the establishment of CNN as a whole. It was time someone stood their ground on what they believe in a television environment.

*Just a note...some of the things posted are over-generalizations. Please take them appropriatley so. I love Americans, I just simply hate ignorance. I am not Pro-Kerry or Anti-Bush, just Pro-Change.*

Damn straight, I love Canada and Canadians, never a bad experience with either. You're right though, the system is screwed, and needs an overhaul which won't happen, oh well.

MidniteVulture
10/15/04, 10:42 PM
Jon Stewart had some good points.

However, I agree with Carlson in that Stewart has such an important presence in political commentary nowadays, and he should be using that to his advantage instead of sucking up to the political figures when they appear on the show. Maybe that's not what The Daily Show started off as, but that's certainly what it's become and they need to adapt to that. They can still be funny and hard-hitting at the same time.

I don't know, I've been a big fan of The Daily Show for years but I've been rather disappointed with it all year.

kissbangkill
10/15/04, 10:51 PM
Jon Stewart had some good points.

However, I agree with Carlson in that Stewart has such an important presence in political commentary nowadays, and he should be using that to his advantage instead of sucking up to the political figures when they appear on the show. Maybe that's not what The Daily Show started off as, but that's certainly what it's become and they need to adapt to that. They can still be funny and hard-hitting at the same time.

I don't know, I've been a big fan of The Daily Show for years but I've been rather disappointed with it all year.

should he? probably. does he have to? not at all. i think he totally has the right to make light of politics. he made such a good point simply by saying that his show follows puppets that make prank phone calls or whatever. it's comedy central, not cnn or fox news or what have you. he shouldn't have to ask 'hard hitting' questions if he doesn't want to. obviously he's not gonna try to call john kerry out on anything, he supports the guy. and he has every right to do so. he's one of the producers, and it's on a comedy station. sure he's got a large presence in politics, but anyone that's looking strictly to him for their political views needs to get their head out of their asses and form their own opinion. there's nothing wrong with having him as an influence, but one shouldn't decide how they feel about politics based on what john stewart says on comedy central. he's an actor on a comedy show that reports the news in a comedic fashion.

but yes, that did rule. i'm so glad he went off on carlson the way he did. good stuff..

i2ockbotm
10/15/04, 11:09 PM
yet another link (http://www.ifilm.com/filmdetail?ifilmid=2652831&htv=12)

Split2nd
10/15/04, 11:28 PM
Tucker Carlson looks like Pee-Wee Herman with that ridiculous bow-tie on.

I wonder how the conversations between them went in between commercial breaks. I would've liked to see Jon and Tucker throw it down. That would've been fucking great.

knivesbatstats
10/16/04, 12:08 AM
you all keep talking about how he "owned" them yet all ive heard people say is he made fun of his bowtie and called him a dick, WOW GREAT "OWNING"!!!1!!!!

FoScholz
10/16/04, 12:14 AM
i don't understand why most of you indicate that you'd vote for stewart 'in a hearbeat'..you don't know half of his views...his show is a comedy designed to poke fun at the system from both sides (as he stated). I'm sure it was difficult for the hosts of crossfire to take him seriously because he doesn't seme to care about 'serious' politics on his show and thats not the persona he portrays. For instance, if crossfire was to have michael moore on their show, the hosts are expecting some sort of far left point of view and if moore decided to just suddenly start supporting bush through his comments, they would be in disbelief. Back to Stwart, even in his book, his seriousness doesn't shine through in between all the jokes directed upon our democracy. Its apparent that half of you miss the concept of his show, it is indeed the 'Comedy Central's fake news program'. Stewart obviously didn't want to talk about anything newsworthy (o'reilly incident) because he quote "doesn't care"..however; he should care. That is a big 'real' news story because o'reilly does actually care about politics and he has proven that he has some substantial influence in reporting the news. (#1 ratings). Imagine public opinion of bill o'reilly before the incident and after, some people may change how they preceive bill o'reilly and his views. Thats quite a bit of voters, and if Jon Stewart wanted to get serious...he should make an effort. Did you people not see when stewart was confronted about the tough questions segment..? He sat silently with a smile because he didn't have any response to the hosts...

knivesbatstats
10/16/04, 12:25 AM
stewart didnt get them that good, he attacks their show and say it is hurting america but isnt his show hurting america also since so many people are using a comedy show to get their news, including all of these young voters and probably all of these people on this website claiming they would vote for stewart for president, when people should instead be using news programs to get their news, stewart is somehow allowed to attack their integrity and how they state news and do interviews but when they try to turn the tables on him and attack his show and his sucking up to kerry he just uses the defense that he is on a comedy show and they should not compare their show to his, when in reality a lot of americans today are using his show as a news show, which even though this is not stewart's fault, he should be aware that even though his show is made to be comedy, a lot of people today, including young voters and liberals (since the show and stewart are clearly liberal in their views and how they spin the stories and who they make most of their jokes towards) use it as a way to get news and as a substitute for news programs, so yea i think its lame of stewart to hide behind this whole "but my show is comedy" excuse when in reality his show is about half news and half comedy and he should be asking better questions to politicians and quit kissing ass....

knivesbatstats
10/16/04, 12:45 AM
also its funny that stewart says he is allowed to ask questions such as "how are you holding up", "is it hard not to take the attacks personally" and "have you ever flip flopped", because his show is a comedy show and not news but those questions are not even remotely funny, they are just questions to suck up to kerry and they all have obvious answers, of course kerry is going to say he never flip flopped and the attacks question obviously will make people feel sorry for him being "attacked personally", its just absurd cause its pretty obvious what stewarts strategy was on this show, he just went on there knowing he would attack them and they would attack back to which he would simply respond that his show is comedy so they can never ever attack him, i mean i think they are allowed to comment on his questions even if their show is not exactly like his, it wasnt hard for stewart to "own" them when all he did was hide behind his show not being fully serious, in my opinion it was not much of an owning cause all the people who watch the daily show anyways and were already fans, such as all the liberal young punk kids on this website claiming stewart to be a god and good candidate for the president of the U.S., are going to of course agree wit stewart no matter what while more serious people who are educated and watch the news frequently will just see stewart as being childish and having no real argument when on his show he sucks his candidate's dick with questions while constantly attacking bush with the show's material, this all just shows how uneducated and immature the "young, liberal, punk" kids on this website are when they are calling stewart, who just acts on a comedy show that runs alongside a puppet show, a possible serious candidate for president of the U.S. and... a god?

halfpricepizza
10/16/04, 12:50 AM
man, after watching that i've gained so much (more) respect for john stewart. Seroiusly, he fuckin ripped tuckers head off, and i hate that fucker. damn right-winger! go jon!

You know, its cool to dislike the president and what not, and even to disagree with right-wing politics. I for one disagree with many aspects of the Bush camp, and plan on voting for Kerry in the next election. However, I feel that people are making out all right-wing people as evil and conspirators. You make it sound as if right-wing conservatives are wrong and conspire to tear the country apart. While some right-wing politicians and media personalities are annoying as hell (O'Reilly, Limbaugh, Carlson), there are others who strive for betterment of America and its systems. Stewarts whole point in this wasn't to create more divisiveness between Democrats and Republicans, but to encourage partisanship. There are as many bipartisan Republicans as there are Democrats, and to expect a country that is partisan is somewhat of a pipe dream. However, people like you who make conservatives out to be evil (or for that matter republicans who make out left-wing liberals to be evil), encourage bipartisanship. My parents are right-wing Baptist conservatives, and I don't agree with all the political stances they take. However, I know they're good people who wish to better the country as much as you. They don't want war. They don't want inflation and depression. They don't want rapists and murderers on the street with semi-automatic weapons. To make conservatives the representaion of evil itself is stupid, and to speak of them condescendingly is even worse. I wish that people would see political parties for what they are, and not as sports teams. They shouldn't compete with each other, but strive together. To look condescendingly at anyone's personal beliefs, which can be appreciated and respected, is close minded, and is much worse of a sin than being a part of a political party.

Keegan
10/16/04, 12:53 AM
Did anyone ever see the commercial for the daily show where they polled people and like I think 80% said that they got all their news information from the "Daily Show" and he said something like "what's wrong with you people". I just thought that was funny.

John Stewart deosn't have to have an answer on why he didn't ask important questions. It's his show, if he doesn't want to he doesn't have to, he doesn't owe anyone anything. Didn't he rip one of the bush people a new one when the guy went on his show? The Daily Show isn't a news program, that's like saying weekend update on snl should report real news and ask real questions 'cause a shitload of people watch their show. If you're gonna watch a show like the daily show for your news information, then no matter what john asked we're all ready in the shitter.

Grimis22
10/16/04, 01:43 AM
Bow ties are no worse than cargo pants or jeans from Express and you know that covers 90% of the people here.[/QUOTE]

HAHA true that man, fuck kerry, hes a pussy that cant run america

Keegan
10/16/04, 03:45 AM
Because that many pockets are needed? Come on, you know how highly I think of myself, why would I wear Wrangler when I can wear Diesel.

Please god tell me you wear girls diesel 'cause their guys jeans aren't that great.

Jared Kaufman
10/16/04, 04:26 AM
you all keep talking about how he "owned" them yet all ive heard people say is he made fun of his bowtie and called him a dick, WOW GREAT "OWNING"!!!1!!!!
Then why don't you go read the transcript or find the video to watch?

ZeoVGM
10/16/04, 06:21 AM
Bah. Edwards is a douche. I used to like him a lot too, but lately he pisses me off. And I still hate Kerry.

djUbilla
10/16/04, 06:25 AM
No matter how you look at it...the whole American News Media system has turned into a war propaganda machine. I live in Canada, and I cannot even stomach to watch the majority of American television anymore. All you hear about it how people of Middle-Eastern descent are terrorists, the whole lot of them, and how America will be atacked again. The United States live under a reign of fear. This is how the Bush establishment holds it's power. With the fact that since they have been in the so called "War Against Terror", no attacks have occured on American soil by "Foreign Extremists". Please keep in mind that the Western World has just as many "Extremists", it's just that the media tends to downplay their involement in anything.

This is the Japanese Internment of the Second World War, and the Ukranian Internment of the First World War all over again.

Politically speaking, America needs a change. Never has a country been so hated because of it's establishment, or governenment. And ignrance runs rampant among the Western World. Any Canadian would know this simply by watching CBC's Talking to Americans.

Jon Stewart is the begginning of this change. I'm glad he ripped apart Crossfire, and the establishment of CNN as a whole. It was time someone stood their ground on what they believe in a television environment.

*Just a note...some of the things posted are over-generalizations. Please take them appropriatley so. I love Americans, I just simply hate ignorance. I am not Pro-Kerry or Anti-Bush, just Pro-Change.*
You the man.

djUbilla
10/16/04, 06:28 AM
i don't understand why most of you indicate that you'd vote for stewart 'in a hearbeat'..you don't know half of his views...his show is a comedy designed to poke fun at the system from both sides (as he stated). I'm sure it was difficult for the hosts of crossfire to take him seriously because he doesn't seme to care about 'serious' politics on his show and thats not the persona he portrays. For instance, if crossfire was to have michael moore on their show, the hosts are expecting some sort of far left point of view and if moore decided to just suddenly start supporting bush through his comments, they would be in disbelief. Back to Stwart, even in his book, his seriousness doesn't shine through in between all the jokes directed upon our democracy. Its apparent that half of you miss the concept of his show, it is indeed the 'Comedy Central's fake news program'. Stewart obviously didn't want to talk about anything newsworthy (o'reilly incident) because he quote "doesn't care"..however; he should care. That is a big 'real' news story because o'reilly does actually care about politics and he has proven that he has some substantial influence in reporting the news. (#1 ratings). Imagine public opinion of bill o'reilly before the incident and after, some people may change how they preceive bill o'reilly and his views. Thats quite a bit of voters, and if Jon Stewart wanted to get serious...he should make an effort. Did you people not see when stewart was confronted about the tough questions segment..? He sat silently with a smile because he didn't have any response to the hosts...
Anybody that bases their political views off of somebody else's to such a high degree that anything the first person does directly affects the second person's views is a moron.

new_deal13
10/16/04, 06:55 AM
The thing is, you cannot rely on any sole source for your news. You need to take a bit from everyone. And you especially cannot take all of your news from any American station solely. Once again, I feel that the American News Media is simply a war propaganda machince as of late.

I don't get all my news from only Canadian stations. I use worldwide news to paint my own picture of what has happened, and decide for myself if I think the news it true.

And anyone who gets all of their political news solely from the Daily Show, seriously, come on. It's a political satire. They don't even report the real news. It's an hilarious show, and I love it, but you absolutley cannot rely on a program like that.

deadEYEDwelcome
10/16/04, 07:17 AM
absolutely destroyed those guys .. genius.
haha yeah deffenitly

Flags of Dawn
10/16/04, 07:50 AM
i get my news from the onion.

www.theonion.com

halfpricepizza
10/16/04, 08:47 AM
i get my news from the onion.

www.theonion.com

then you are a smart man.

mattbrowne
10/16/04, 08:55 AM
This is the Japanese Internment of the Second World War, and the Ukranian Internment of the First World War all over again.


what the fuck are you talking about? no its not.

saintjoel
10/16/04, 09:49 AM
HAHA true that man, fuck kerry, hes a pussy that cant run america

yeah because kerrys a pussy and W's a dick, and pussys dont like dicks becuase they get fucked by them. but saddam, hes an asshole and dicks fuck them too, because if dicks didnt, then the assholes would shit all over the pussys and dicks.

p.s. MATT DAMON

hinkelmanf
10/16/04, 09:58 AM
hahaha siant joel you saw team america world police.

saintjoel
10/16/04, 10:02 AM
hahaha siant joel you saw team america world police.

brilliant movie, i <3 trey parker

aminorthreat55
10/16/04, 10:18 AM
The thing is, you cannot rely on any sole source for your news. You need to take a bit from everyone. And you especially cannot take all of your news from any American station solely. Once again, I feel that the American News Media is simply a war propaganda machince as of late.

I don't get all my news from only Canadian stations. I use worldwide news to paint my own picture of what has happened, and decide for myself if I think the news it true.

And anyone who gets all of their political news solely from the Daily Show, seriously, come on. It's a political satire. They don't even report the real news. It's an hilarious show, and I love it, but you absolutley cannot rely on a program like that.

Yeah man

knivesbatstats
10/16/04, 10:31 AM
Then why don't you go read the transcript or find the video to watch?

if you read my later responses RIGHT AFTER the one you quoted and replied to you would see that i later read the transcript and described why stewart did not really "own" anyone but hid behind the fact that his show is not serious, which is wrong since so many people are actually dumb enough to use his show as their sole source for news...

knivesbatstats
10/16/04, 10:41 AM
Did anyone ever see the commercial for the daily show where they polled people and like I think 80% said that they got all their news information from the "Daily Show" and he said something like "what's wrong with you people". I just thought that was funny.

John Stewart deosn't have to have an answer on why he didn't ask important questions. It's his show, if he doesn't want to he doesn't have to, he doesn't owe anyone anything. Didn't he rip one of the bush people a new one when the guy went on his show? The Daily Show isn't a news program, that's like saying weekend update on snl should report real news and ask real questions 'cause a shitload of people watch their show. If you're gonna watch a show like the daily show for your news information, then no matter what john asked we're all ready in the shitter.

so what you are saying is its stewart's show so he does not owe anything to anyone and can do whatever he wants on it which is fine, but yet he goes on their show and criticizes how they run THEIR show and when they come back by criticizing his he cannot take it...how does that make any sense? stewart can criticize someone else's show but his cannot be criticized, thats called a double standard, and OF COURSE he ripped a bush person a new one, hes a LIBERAL, its just funny he says their show is ruining america when his show is all sucking up to liberals like kerry and then attacking conservatives like bush supporters, which just gives america slanted news and unfairly influences people's opinions, how come his comedy show cannot hate on both parties equally? that would be FAIR, the point is not that stewart should ask real questions and report real stories but that he should hate on and make jokes about both parties equally, when he sucks up to kerry and then is hard on a conservative on his show, this is acting unfairly and is hurting america and dividing it just as much as he says Crossfire does, i think he is no better than the people he is criticizing and only comes off as right because he is a comedian and is funny, stewart says their show hurts america, but isn't his show doing the same when so many people are using his comedy show as their sole means of getting news????? stewart should either be more responsible and realize people in america especially liberals, cause they are getting liberally biased news coverage and getting told what they want to hear, are actually dumb enough to use his show as their news source, or he should be more fair and parody and make jokes about both sides equally otherwise he is dividing america just as much as he is saying crossfire does...

knivesbatstats
10/16/04, 10:43 AM
ps- im still waiting for tate to respond, maybe he cannot find a place to copy and paste information relating to this topic from, maybe the ideas in this thread were too original for him to find someone else's ideas on??????

hinkelmanf
10/16/04, 11:23 AM
brilliant movie, i <3 trey parker


it really was fantastic, the hardcore puppet sex was kinda iffy, but i still laughed my ass off at it.

70x7
10/16/04, 01:09 PM
Please god tell me you wear girls diesel 'cause their guys jeans aren't that great.
A lot of their guys jeans do suck, but a lot of the older ones look good without coming with tears and bad whiskering/bleach jobs

venus/bacchus
10/16/04, 01:23 PM
No matter how you look at it...the whole American News Media system has turned into a war propaganda machine. I live in Canada, and I cannot even stomach to watch the majority of American television anymore. All you hear about it how people of Middle-Eastern descent are terrorists, the whole lot of them, and how America will be atacked again. The United States live under a reign of fear. This is how the Bush establishment holds it's power. With the fact that since they have been in the so called "War Against Terror", no attacks have occured on American soil by "Foreign Extremists". Please keep in mind that the Western World has just as many "Extremists", it's just that the media tends to downplay their involement in anything.

This is the Japanese Internment of the Second World War, and the Ukranian Internment of the First World War all over again.

Politically speaking, America needs a change. Never has a country been so hated because of it's establishment, or governenment. And ignrance runs rampant among the Western World. Any Canadian would know this simply by watching CBC's Talking to Americans.

Jon Stewart is the begginning of this change. I'm glad he ripped apart Crossfire, and the establishment of CNN as a whole. It was time someone stood their ground on what they believe in a television environment.

*Just a note...some of the things posted are over-generalizations. Please take them appropriatley so. I love Americans, I just simply hate ignorance. I am not Pro-Kerry or Anti-Bush, just Pro-Change.*
That is the most ridiculous, ignorant, uninformed post I've ever seen on this site attempted to be passed off as intelligence. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

"All you hear about it how people of Middle-Eastern descent are terrorists, the whole lot of them..."

"This is the Japanese Internment of the Second World War, and the Ukranian Internment of the First World War all over again."

"Never has a country been so hated because of it's establishment, or governenment."

What the fuck are you talking about?

TheOldJostler
10/16/04, 02:12 PM
That is the most ridiculous, ignorant, uninformed post I've ever seen on this site attempted to be passed off as intelligence. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

"All you hear about it how people of Middle-Eastern descent are terrorists, the whole lot of them..."

"This is the Japanese Internment of the Second World War, and the Ukranian Internment of the First World War all over again."

"Never has a country been so hated because of it's establishment, or governenment."

What the fuck are you talking about?

i concur. but i still love canada, mostly because of the 10 dollar (canadian!!) lapdances in Montreal and 'lucky 10.0' malt liquor.

Split2nd
10/16/04, 02:53 PM
A lot of their guys jeans do suck, but a lot of the older ones look good without coming with tears and bad whiskering/bleach jobs


All their jeans are soo expensive, though :(

kissbangkill
10/16/04, 03:03 PM
ps- im still waiting for tate to respond, maybe he cannot find a place to copy and paste information relating to this topic from, maybe the ideas in this thread were too original for him to find someone else's ideas on??????

also its funny that stewart says he is allowed to ask questions such as "how are you holding up", "is it hard not to take the attacks personally" and "have you ever flip flopped", because his show is a comedy show and not news but those questions are not even remotely funny, they are just questions to suck up to kerry and they all have obvious answers, of course kerry is going to say he never flip flopped and the attacks question obviously will make people feel sorry for him being "attacked personally", its just absurd cause its pretty obvious what stewarts strategy was on this show, he just went on there knowing he would attack them and they would attack back to which he would simply respond that his show is comedy so they can never ever attack him, i mean i think they are allowed to comment on his questions even if their show is not exactly like his, it wasnt hard for stewart to "own" them when all he did was hide behind his show not being fully serious, in my opinion it was not much of an owning cause all the people who watch the daily show anyways and were already fans, such as all the liberal young punk kids on this website claiming stewart to be a god and good candidate for the president of the U.S., are going to of course agree wit stewart no matter what while more serious people who are educated and watch the news frequently will just see stewart as being childish and having no real argument when on his show he sucks his candidate's dick with questions while constantly attacking bush with the show's material, this all just shows how uneducated and immature the "young, liberal, punk" kids on this website are when they are calling stewart, who just acts on a comedy show that runs alongside a puppet show, a possible serious candidate for president of the U.S. and... a god?

wow. just wow. so many things wrong with what you said. first of all, if you knew anything about comedy, you'd know that you're not supposed to try to be funny. it'd be rediculous if he asked a "funny" question. it's literally a method of comedy, you don't try to something funny, you just do what you do and the comedy comes as a result. the joke isn't in the question, it's in the dialouge.

as for the his show being a comedy show defense. that's a perfectly good defence. of course that was his strategy and it was pretty fucking smart of him. i said it before, he made such a good point when he said something to the effect of "your show is on cnn, mine follows puppets who make phone calls". any person that's looking soley to john stewart for their news is a fucking retard and if they can't figure out that they should find their news and opinions from more than a comedian on a talk show, shouldn't be allowed to have an opinion, so that's no defense on your part.

i'm educated, i watch every news network, my local news, read newspapers, visit different websites, look at both sides of an issue, AND watch and love the daily show. and i like john stewart. do you honestly think that these kids SERIOUSLY think john stewart is god? do they honestly worship him and pray to him? if you fail to realize that they're only joking and that john stewart is allowed to ask whatever fucking questions he wants and still be able to critisize carlson, then you need to get out more and get a fucking sense of humor. and saying your ideas are so fucking original? grow the fuck up. tate copies and pastes information, not opinions. he bases his opinion on what he reads/sees/hears just like everyone else. he copies and pastes that stuff to back up his arguments. let it go.

mattbrowne
10/16/04, 05:05 PM
That is the most ridiculous, ignorant, uninformed post I've ever seen on this site attempted to be passed off as intelligence. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

"All you hear about it how people of Middle-Eastern descent are terrorists, the whole lot of them..."

"This is the Japanese Internment of the Second World War, and the Ukranian Internment of the First World War all over again."

"Never has a country been so hated because of it's establishment, or governenment."

What the fuck are you talking about?
this guy rules

new_deal13
10/16/04, 06:20 PM
what the fuck are you talking about? no its not.


I mean it's the same situation. The overall fear of a group of people, for irrational reasons.

new_deal13
10/16/04, 06:28 PM
That is the most ridiculous, ignorant, uninformed post I've ever seen on this site attempted to be passed off as intelligence. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

"All you hear about it how people of Middle-Eastern descent are terrorists, the whole lot of them..."

"This is the Japanese Internment of the Second World War, and the Ukranian Internment of the First World War all over again."

"Never has a country been so hated because of it's establishment, or governenment."

What the fuck are you talking about?

You have no idea how the world views the United States, because you are American. You cannot hate yourself.

-Watch the news. Then flip to the news in, say, Manitoba. Pot holes in the roads make top stories. Not how 10 Middle Eastern people have been arrested on suspicions of having conections to people who met a "terrorist".

-This is a very similar situation as the ones that lead to the interment of the Japanese, and Ukranians. An overall fear, and in some cases, hatred, of a race or group of people, because of irrational, media driven fear.

-America IS hated by an enourmous number of people across the world. It's the overall ignorance, and arrogance of the American Government towards the rest of the world. Its the attitude that "We can do whatever we want because we are the United States, who's going to stop us." A lot of American people also add to this. Not saying all Americans are bad, or everyone else is good. It's just a general trend.

-Seriously....come on.

em0_stars
10/16/04, 07:13 PM
You have no idea how the world views the United States, because you are American. You cannot hate yourself.

-Watch the news. Then flip to the news in, say, Manitoba. Pot holes in the roads make top stories. Not how 10 Middle Eastern people have been arrested on suspicions of having conections to people who met a "terrorist".

-This is a very similar situation as the ones that lead to the interment of the Japanese, and Ukranians. An overall fear, and in some cases, hatred, of a race or group of people, because of irrational, media driven fear.

-America IS hated by an enourmous number of people across the world. It's the overall ignorance, and arrogance of the American Government towards the rest of the world. Its the attitude that "We can do whatever we want because we are the United States, who's going to stop us." A lot of American people also add to this. Not saying all Americans are bad, or everyone else is good. It's just a general trend.

-Seriously....come on.

like were gonna watch news about potholes in the road sheesh. Its called people make there money with the story about terrorists and not about the story of how uncle jim fell into a pothole.


plus the only reasons we had to attack people in the middle east(iraq afghanistan) is because we kinda had those planes hit these buildings in uh i think it was NYC?

corporeal
10/16/04, 09:11 PM
guys...

WHY DO YOU ARGUE INCESSENTALY ABOUT SHIT YOU CANNOT CHANGE?

new_deal13
10/16/04, 10:45 PM
plus the only reasons we had to attack people in the middle east(iraq afghanistan) is because we kinda had those planes hit these buildings in uh i think it was NYC?

:Mr-T: This is something that will never end. Let's not get into the justification of The "War Against Terror" and the War in Iraq.

apex
10/16/04, 11:00 PM
plus the only reasons we had to attack people in the middle east(iraq afghanistan) is because we kinda had those planes hit these buildings in uh i think it was NYC?

yeah thank god we took down saddam, the man who made 9/11 possible.

so back to the new post - i just watched the video and it was better then i could have imagined.

rupture&rapture
10/16/04, 11:06 PM
the daily show needs to be an hour

new_deal13
10/16/04, 11:15 PM
yeah thank god we took down saddam, the man who made 9/11 possible.

Was that with extreme sarcasm?

Split2nd
10/16/04, 11:20 PM
AHAHAHA did anyone else see the headline on the ticker at the last second of the show that said" some kid became the first BOY to ever win the Easy Bake Oven competition since..."

oh man, that was great.

fork_in_outlet
10/16/04, 11:45 PM
Jon Stewart is right. Period. If you can't realize that then you're in denial and you blindly follow one system of idealism or another. Stop watching spin and make up your own fucking minds about current events.

fangwon
10/17/04, 01:11 AM
A lot of their guys jeans do suck, but a lot of the older ones look good without coming with tears and bad whiskering/bleach jobs

diesel jeans? please tell me you guys are gay...

Split2nd
10/17/04, 01:21 AM
diesel jeans? please tell me you guys are gay...

What does the type of jeans someone wears have anything to do with their sexuality?

babywhooper
10/17/04, 01:30 AM
god, getting behind john kerry is like the cool thing to do these days in this "awesome scene". kids that have no idea of what the fuck they're talking about are like, "yeah fuck bush, vote for kerry", or "stop destroying america, vote for kerry". now, i'll be the first to admit that i'm not a huge follower of politics, and never have been, but i know enough to not fucking bad talk a candidate just because everyone else is. that seems to be the message around here and a lot of other places. now, i'm sure a lot of people have their reasons, and i respect that, but some people have NO idea of what policies bush/kery have in their design. yet, they "decide" that bush is fucking up our country. i don't know, it just seems that this is the way it is going down.

MidniteVulture
10/17/04, 08:47 AM
guys...

WHY DO YOU ARGUE INCESSENTALY ABOUT SHIT YOU CANNOT CHANGE?You don't think normal people have the power to change anything? Even if it's changing a couple people's opinion on a local scale, if it landslides it can make so much of a difference. Quit being so negative.

Split2nd
10/17/04, 09:53 AM
god, getting behind john kerry is like the cool thing to do these days in this "awesome scene". kids that have no idea of what the fuck they're talking about are like, "yeah fuck bush, vote for kerry", or "stop destroying america, vote for kerry". now, i'll be the first to admit that i'm not a huge follower of politics, and never have been, but i know enough to not fucking bad talk a candidate just because everyone else is. that seems to be the message around here and a lot of other places. now, i'm sure a lot of people have their reasons, and i respect that, but some people have NO idea of what policies bush/kery have in their design. yet, they "decide" that bush is fucking up our country. i don't know, it just seems that this is the way it is going down.

Who are you to judge whether people know their politics or not? Don't just assume things because that's what you think is going on.

marrost
10/17/04, 04:00 PM
100 replies. theres a video at ifilm.com if it wasnt mentioned yet. I can't believe Stewart called Tucker a dick. Classic.

venus/bacchus
10/19/04, 11:35 AM
You have no idea how the world views the United States, because you are American. You cannot hate yourself.

-Watch the news. Then flip to the news in, say, Manitoba. Pot holes in the roads make top stories. Not how 10 Middle Eastern people have been arrested on suspicions of having conections to people who met a "terrorist".

-This is a very similar situation as the ones that lead to the interment of the Japanese, and Ukranians. An overall fear, and in some cases, hatred, of a race or group of people, because of irrational, media driven fear.

-America IS hated by an enourmous number of people across the world. It's the overall ignorance, and arrogance of the American Government towards the rest of the world. Its the attitude that "We can do whatever we want because we are the United States, who's going to stop us." A lot of American people also add to this. Not saying all Americans are bad, or everyone else is good. It's just a general trend.

-Seriously....come on.
I know this is a few days old, but I feel the need to respond anyway, I forgot about this thread.

Anyway, I can hate myself. I can look at America and say "we aren't doing what I wish we were doing." Not every American is a blind patriot. Since you watch so much American news and know so much about us like you claim, you'd know that. People have been protesting this war since it started. Not everyone worships at the feet of the president because he is the president.

I don't watch the news. I read the news daily though (does that count?). And I rarely read about alleged terrorists being arrested or anything like that. It's not an everyday occurrence. We also have news about potholes. Canada would have news about terrorists if they were attacked by them too. So that argument makes no sense. It would make sense for news stations to report on current events within the nation. Also, I think it's fairly safe to say that America is free to judge itself and can openly. Every action is criticized and squabbled over, no one agrees on anything. To think that we are incapable of self-critique also shows you don't know as much about America as you claim.

This is nowhere near the hysteria of any internment camps era. To say that is a gross gross exageration, and I hope you can see that. I don't know of any Muslims who aren't free to walk the streets or worship at their own volition. Only in very very rare circumstances are people being riciculed or put down for their beliefs, but that's because America does have ignorant citizens (gasp!...like every other nation in the world) that hate blacks, or hispanics, or asians also. So don't pin this on the idea that America is deathly afraid of terrorists.

I'm not saying America isn't hated by a great number of nations and peoples, but to say "never has government or establishment been so hated" is just another ignorant, ridiculous comment. If you want your argument to hold water, you have to have some viability to it. It has to sound like you know what you're talking about. You obviously don't.

In closing, I love Canada. I've been there about 5 times (Windsor's an hour away), but damn is that country liberal. To say that Canadian stations are completely fair about their assessment of our actions, but we aren't holds no water. Everyone has their bias, regardless of nationality.

apex
12/07/04, 09:19 AM
Was that with extreme sarcasm?

2 months late, but yes.