Superman: Man of Steel

[tait]

it's either going to be a reboot or a sequel.

article (http://io9.com/5040723/warner-brothers-takes-the-time-to-make-a-superman-that-wont-suck)

imdb page (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0770828/)

[SwishMX48]

This is an incredibly stupid question probably, and I'm apologizing in advance. But, isn't Deepak Chopra a well known Yoga expert? Pitching the story and advising on the next Superman movie?

[tait]

This is an incredibly stupid question probably, and I'm apologizing in advance. But, isn't Deepak Chopra a well known Yoga expert? Pitching the story and advising on the next Superman movie?
haha i do not know

[dontsneeze]

cool. if it turns out like the article says it will, i'm looking forward to it.

[Greg]

i am sorry but this sounds retarded

What does Chopra mean exactly? "He [Batman] needs to go to Darfur, or Somalia. Superman needs to have more paranormal abilities – like precognition, telepathy, the ability to see past lifetimes.”

[tait]

i am sorry but this sounds retarded
nice avatar and user title

[WordzandDreamz]

its all good....until the exact same thing happens when Singer isn't involved as what happened with X-Men 3.

[FondestMemory]

i'm a singer fanboy, and actually enjoyed returns, but rebooting the franchise without him isn't a bad idea.

all the rumors i've heard of replacements and possible stories are pretty nice. i think singer tried to tackle too much with a film that was supposed to be introducing a new take on the franchise. he got far too ambitious.

[JIMMYateEARTH]

i'm a singer fanboy, and actually enjoyed returns, but rebooting the franchise without him isn't a bad idea.

all the rumors i've heard of replacements and possible stories are pretty nice. i think singer tried to tackle too much with a film that was supposed to be introducing a new take on the franchise. he got far too ambitious.

I think rebooting the franchise is a bad idea in general. They aren;t going to top the original superman movie, they just need to improve on what they have

[buysoap]

I think rebooting the franchise is a bad idea in general. They aren;t going to top the original superman movie, they just need to improve on what they have
They should just not make another Superman movie! Hahaha


And if they do, it should be a live-action Doomsday story. Hell, the animated movie pulled it off - just translate that to actors.

[ToastedHedgehog]

They should just not make another Superman movie! Hahaha


And if they do, it should be a live-action Doomsday story. Hell, the animated movie pulled it off - just translate that to actors.
QFT

[JIMMYateEARTH]

They should just not make another Superman movie! Hahaha


And if they do, it should be a live-action Doomsday story. Hell, the animated movie pulled it off - just translate that to actors.

Or they could just concentrate on the Kiowo... I mean Green Lantern Movie.

[buysoap]

Or they could just concentrate on the Kiowo... I mean Green Lantern Movie.
Hooray!!!!!

[FondestMemory]

I think rebooting the franchise is a bad idea in general. They aren;t going to top the original superman movie, they just need to improve on what they have

i don't mean a complete reboot. no need to do an origin or anything, not with superman.

but they pretty much need to disregard returns. adding superboy in the first installment was a horrible idea, in my opinion. i understand not wanting to carry that storyline on, but it can't be a straight up sequel and ignore it.

i think it'd be beneficial to just make a standalone movie. take for granted that the origin and relationships are understood.

[JIMMYateEARTH]

i don't mean a complete reboot. no need to do an origin or anything, not with superman.

but they pretty much need to disregard returns. adding superboy in the first installment was a horrible idea, in my opinion. i understand not wanting to carry that storyline on, but it can't be a straight up sequel and ignore it.

i think it'd be beneficial to just make a standalone movie. take for granted that the origin and relationships are understood.


They could take the kid in the direction of Christopher Kent. Like in last son, which is a very good story.
They just need to build off what they have

I heard they want to redo an origin and make the movie much darker in tone. Which does not work for the character in any way

[drudo182]

I loved Superman Returns but I hated the entire kid story. I don't want a reboot but I don't want that kid involved in any way. I hope they keep Brandon Routh too. He was great.

[CstSnow]

I heard they want to redo an origin and make the movie much darker in tone. Which does not work for the character in any way

This is what I have heard as well, and it looks like that is definitely the way they are going to take it. Here is a quote from an article that came out yesterday.

"Like the recent Batman sequel -- which has become the highest-grossing film of the year thus far -- Mr. Robinov wants his next pack of superhero movies to be bathed in the same brooding tone as "The Dark Knight." Creatively, he sees exploring the evil side to characters as the key to unlocking some of Warner Bros.' DC properties. "We're going to try to go dark to the extent that the characters allow it," he says. That goes for the company's Superman franchise as well. "'Superman' didn't quite work as a film in the way that we wanted it to," says Mr. Robinov. "It didn't position the character the way he needed to be positioned." "Had 'Superman' worked in 2006, we would have had a movie for Christmas of this year or 2009," he adds. "But now the plan is just to reintroduce Superman without regard to a Batman and Superman movie at all."

[JIMMYateEARTH]

This is what I have heard as well, and it looks like that is definitely the way they are going to take it. Here is a quote from an article that came out yesterday.

"Like the recent Batman sequel -- which has become the highest-grossing film of the year thus far -- Mr. Robinov wants his next pack of superhero movies to be bathed in the same brooding tone as "The Dark Knight." Creatively, he sees exploring the evil side to characters as the key to unlocking some of Warner Bros.' DC properties. "We're going to try to go dark to the extent that the characters allow it," he says. That goes for the company's Superman franchise as well. "'Superman' didn't quite work as a film in the way that we wanted it to," says Mr. Robinov. "It didn't position the character the way he needed to be positioned." "Had 'Superman' worked in 2006, we would have had a movie for Christmas of this year or 2009," he adds. "But now the plan is just to reintroduce Superman without regard to a Batman and Superman movie at all."

Dark works for batman

Superman is a damn boyscout, he can't do dark.

I think a great example of this is just to look at the directions that thier 90's cartoon went.

[buysoap]

Ugggggggggh.

Not everything should be fucking dark. People need to realize this. Batman has evolved into quite a dark character, sure, but just because thematically the darkness worked for The Dark Knight does NOT mean it will work for every fucking super hero movie ever. If they try and make the Green Lantern movie into a world of darkness, I will flip a literal shit.

[JIMMYateEARTH]

Ugggggggggh.

Not everything should be fucking dark. People need to realize this. Batman has evolved into quite a dark character, sure, but just because thematically the darkness worked for The Dark Knight does NOT mean it will work for every fucking super hero movie ever. If they try and make the Green Lantern movie into a world of darkness, I will flip a literal shit.

In BRIGHTEST DAY, in Blackest night.

Brightest day is the key there.

[buysoap]

In BRIGHTEST DAY, in Blackest night.

Brightest day is the key there.
Then again, with the coming of "The Blackest Night," shit will probably get pretty dark... what with the Death Lanterns and all that.

Still. For a Green Lantern movie (which should be about Hal getting the lantern from Abin Sur, Hal training with Kilowog and Sinestro, and then Hal learning the truth about Sinestro), there is NO NEED to make it dark and gritty and blah blah blah

[CstSnow]

Dark works for batman

Superman is a damn boyscout, he can't do dark.

I think a great example of this is just to look at the directions that thier 90's cartoon went.

This = truth

[drudo182]

I don't want Superman being really dark either. One of the things I loved about Superman Returns, and Superman in general, is you see him out doing his thing in broad daylight.

I think the scene in Returns where he flies out of the helicopter and up towards the sun is one of the greatest things I've ever seen. Best part of the entire film.

[Foxholes]

he success of The Dark Knight has convinced Robinov thatt building more realistic superheroes with darker stories may be the key to box office gold.
http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/08/22/superman-reboot-confirmed/

Tell me how a dark Superman is supposed to work? No one cares about Superman anymore anyways.

[drudo182]

I do.

[AshesAshes]

I love Superman I hope this turns out good. I would love to see a live action Doomsday movie that would be great.

[FondestMemory]

dark won't work for superman, and you can't make a superman movie realistic like nolan's batman's have gone for. the dude's a fucking alien. not sure how you can make that more realistic.

'angry god' is how one producer was quoted as how he wants him portrayed.

[drudo182]

Superman Returns had Lex in it as well and I think people might be sick of those two going at it but it.

I'd like to see Doomsday again but that story really has to be done right to work.

[fluke182]

Dark works for batman

Superman is a damn boyscout, he can't do dark.

I think a great example of this is just to look at the directions that thier 90's cartoon went.

Ugggggggggh.

Not everything should be fucking dark. People need to realize this. Batman has evolved into quite a dark character, sure, but just because thematically the darkness worked for The Dark Knight does NOT mean it will work for every fucking super hero movie ever. If they try and make the Green Lantern movie into a world of darkness, I will flip a literal shit.

Then again, with the coming of "The Blackest Night," shit will probably get pretty dark... what with the Death Lanterns and all that.

Still. For a Green Lantern movie (which should be about Hal getting the lantern from Abin Sur, Hal training with Kilowog and Sinestro, and then Hal learning the truth about Sinestro), there is NO NEED to make it dark and gritty and blah blah blah
All quoted for truth. Superman is not dark. The Dark Knight is not a formula for all comic movies, besides the fact it's good and they should all be made well. If they make all of them dark, GL will be stupid, Flash will be stupid, and good god, Superman will be stupid.

Look at Spider-Man. They tried to make SM3 edgy and dark, and that movie sucked ass.

[buysoap]

Superman Returns had Lex in it as well and I think people might be sick of those two going at it but it.

I'd like to see Doomsday again but that story really has to be done right to work.
Yeah, because Lex is only Superman's ultimate arch-rival...
All quoted for truth. Superman is not dark. The Dark Knight is not a formula for all comic movies, besides the fact it's good and they should all be made well. If they make all of them dark, GL will be stupid, Flash will be stupid, and good god, Superman will be stupid.

Look at Spider-Man. They tried to make SM3 edgy and dark, and that movie sucked ass.

If The Dark Knight says anything, it's that you don't have to draw 100% from the source material in order to make a good comic book material. TDK kicked ass, sure, but when you compare Nolan's Batman to the comic book Batman, there are a lot of differences. Nolan showed that this can be OK.

However, what people are taking from The Dark Knight is that dark, gritty and edgy = cool. That's not right. I think this, in part, might draw back in to 2005 with the release of Sin City, which was widely popular and 100% true to the gritty source material. I am aware Begins came out at the same time, but look at how much Batman Begins made. It was less than Hancock. Look at 300, another Frank Miller piece which was fairly close to the material and, even though more people disliked this movie for being over the top, was still widely popular. And yeah, I know Frank Miller has turned into a degenerate fuck hole with a shitty Batman series and a shitty looking Spirit flick, but still. It just goes to show you that you can lay blame on Frank Miller at all times.

Movies about the Green Lantern, Flash, and Superman could be serious without being dark. People apparently have problems telling the two apart in comic book movies.

[JIMMYateEARTH]

DC is desperate to keep thier franchices alive at the moment because marvel stands to kill them in the box office with all the leads to the avengers

[ForlrnPerplxity]

I don't want them to make Superman dark just because The Dark Knight had major success off of it.

I really hope Singer bows out. I don't like what he did with Superman Returns at all. The whole kid turning into superboy was so fucking absurd and ruined the story. Also, Kate Bosworth was a horrible casting decision.

Reinventing the franchise and starting from the beginning is a great idea.

[FondestMemory]

singer's not backing out so much as not being welcomed back.

[ForlrnPerplxity]

According to the article, it's Singer's unless he doesn't agree with the direction they're taking.

[drudo182]

Singer and the writers just made a mistake on the kid part. I really loved everything else. Seeing that movie was a different feeling than other movies I've seen. Felt kind of old fashioned in a way. Maybe because it followed the original version closely in a lot of ways.

[poppa Q]

Singer and the writers just made a mistake on the kid part. I really loved everything else. Seeing that movie was a different feeling than other movies I've seen. Felt kind of old fashioned in a way. Maybe because it followed the original version closely in a lot of ways.

I can agree with that.

[tait]

Singer and the writers just made a mistake on the kid part. I really loved everything else. Seeing that movie was a different feeling than other movies I've seen. Felt kind of old fashioned in a way. Maybe because it followed the original version closely in a lot of ways.
yes definitely

[drudo182]

Here is what the douche bag Mark Millar had to say about his trilogy.

“It’s gonna be like Michael Corleone in the Godfather films, the entire story from beginning to end, you see where he starts, how he becomes who he becomes, and where that takes him. The Dark Knight showed you can take a comic book property and make a serious film, and I think the studios are ready to listen to bigger ideas now.”

I want to start on Krypton, a thousand years ago, and end with Superman alone on Planet Earth, the last being left on the planet, as the yellow sun turns red and starts to supernova, and he loses his powers."

Can't figure out why we need another origins story. The ending sounds like it could be epic but I'm not sure why he ruined it for everybody.

[fluke182]

Here is what the douche bag Mark Millar had to say about his trilogy.

“It’s gonna be like Michael Corleone in the Godfather films, the entire story from beginning to end, you see where he starts, how he becomes who he becomes, and where that takes him. The Dark Knight showed you can take a comic book property and make a serious film, and I think the studios are ready to listen to bigger ideas now.”

I want to start on Krypton, a thousand years ago, and end with Superman alone on Planet Earth, the last being left on the planet, as the yellow sun turns red and starts to supernova, and he loses his powers."

Can't figure out why we need another origins story. The ending sounds like it could be epic but I'm not sure why he ruined it for everybody.
I really like that idea actually. I mean, the problem with Superman is he's just too powerful. There is really no story tension because he just doesn't lose. However, telling a story like that gives you the life story of a great figure on Earth, and as that type of film I think it would be great and epic as all hell. Why is Millar saying that though? Is he involved with the project?

Douchebag or not, the dude is a good comic writer.

[Deadwomb88]

Why is Millar saying that though? Is he involved with the project?



He wanted to pitch a superman reboot idea like a month ago i believe. But i doubt they'd ever give him Superman.

[gilatron5000]

http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/08/22/superman-reboot-confirmed/

Tell me how a dark Superman is supposed to work? No one cares about Superman anymore anyways.Incorrect. If no one cared, we wouldn't be discussing!

I really like that idea actually. I mean, the problem with Superman is he's just too powerful. There is really no story tension because he just doesn't lose. However, telling a story like that gives you the life story of a great figure on Earth, and as that type of film I think it would be great and epic as all hell. Why is Millar saying that though? Is he involved with the project?

Douchebag or not, the dude is a good comic writer.That's a really unfair assumption. You could say the same thing about almost any other character. Not because they're as powerful, but because their name is on the book. The tension comes from villains, not because of the power level of the main character(s). And with regads to villains, he has some that are just as powerful, if not, more.

Plus, Superman has probably the most iconic death in comics.

[drudo182]

I really like that idea actually. I mean, the problem with Superman is he's just too powerful. There is really no story tension because he just doesn't lose. However, telling a story like that gives you the life story of a great figure on Earth, and as that type of film I think it would be great and epic as all hell. Why is Millar saying that though? Is he involved with the project?

Douchebag or not, the dude is a good comic writer.

If he is given the okay, and Singer doesn't want to do Man of Steel, Millar wants to do a Superman trilogy.

I really think the ending sounds epic. I like the idea of everything around Superman dying away and him losing what makes him him when the sun dies out. That just sounds epic to me.

I just don't want another straight origins story again. Plus, I loved Returns so I'd rather have it be a sequel to that.

I am only calling him a douche because I am bitter about how Returns was received and what has happened since.

[drudo182]

Off-topic, but is Superman Returns worth $10 on 360? I want to be Superman and I heard it was trashy, but it's so cheap.

[fluke182]

That's a really unfair assumption. You could say the same thing about almost any other character. Not because they're as powerful, but because their name is on the book. The tension comes from villains, not because of the power level of the main character(s). And with regads to villains, he has some that are just as powerful, if not, more.

Plus, Superman has probably the most iconic death in comics.
That's true, and I worded it incorrectly anyways. What I meant to say is he is pretty much impossible to kill (short of kryptonite or magic based plus quite the beating), so this type of story just makes sense rather than a villain just straight up going after him. Ultimately though, his stories are defined by the villains in them and in my opinion, by far his most interesting villains are not the ones that are as powerful, but the ones that use their intellect to go at him and those around him (i.e. Luthor and Brainiac).

Superman did have one of the all time best deaths in comics, but also one of the all time fastest returns from death. Which is why it's a problem - even at his most dire of personal circumstances, the most we can really worry about is a prolonged disappearance (like between Superman II and Superman Returns or between Death of Superman and Rise of the Supermen).

Anyways, you know I love the character, I just think Millar's method is a good storytelling tool to add tension and a sense of lore to a character that is hard to challenge face to face. I don't remember which story it was, but there was a Superman story that was pretty much him dealing with the fact that no matter what happens to him, all those that he love will be long gone when he finally dies. That's dynamic storytelling right there, and akin to what Millar is going for (it seems).

Also, I'm not a huge fan of another origin story either. I just don't know where they can take the Superman Returns story from there. An entire reboot of the series with a defined story arc sounds like an attractive alternative to me (especially with a great starting vision like Millar's).

[gilatron5000]

I was just venting sort of. I hear that a lot, and I think it's a real unfair judgment.

Don't get me wrong. There are two characters whose origins have been done to death. If I never see another Superman or Batman origin, I'll be set.

Personally, I'd like a movie that doesn't FORGET the previous ones, but isn't bound by them either.

Like The Incredible Hulk.

[sevinw0rds]

Off-topic, but is Superman Returns worth $10 on 360? I want to be Superman and I heard it was trashy, but it's so cheap.

Yeah it is, the game isn't all that challenging and the dialogue makes me cringe, but flying around in Super speed and catching falling cars is the shit!

On the topic of the film (can't believe I never noticed this thread) I too am on board for a continuation of SR. The weakest elements it had were Luthor's land plot destroying the planet and introducing a child...although the latter is interesting in terms of having Kal finally connect to someone on Earth besides Lois and Martha Kent. Otherwise, I think the seeds were planted for us to see Braniac in the next film which would be sweet.

And I want Brandon back, he was awesome.

[buysoap]

Here is what the douche bag Mark Millar had to say about his trilogy.

“It’s gonna be like Michael Corleone in the Godfather films, the entire story from beginning to end, you see where he starts, how he becomes who he becomes, and where that takes him. The Dark Knight showed you can take a comic book property and make a serious film, and I think the studios are ready to listen to bigger ideas now.”

I want to start on Krypton, a thousand years ago, and end with Superman alone on Planet Earth, the last being left on the planet, as the yellow sun turns red and starts to supernova, and he loses his powers."

Can't figure out why we need another origins story. The ending sounds like it could be epic but I'm not sure why he ruined it for everybody.
Oh hell naw. You did not just call Mark Millar a douchebag!

[gilatron5000]

Off-topic, but is Superman Returns worth $10 on 360? I want to be Superman and I heard it was trashy, but it's so cheap.I got it for the original Xbox for Christmas last year.

It's pretty bad. I got it for free and i think I overpaid.

[IAPAI]

Here is what the douche bag Mark Millar had to say about his trilogy.

“It’s gonna be like Michael Corleone in the Godfather films, the entire story from beginning to end, you see where he starts, how he becomes who he becomes, and where that takes him. The Dark Knight showed you can take a comic book property and make a serious film, and I think the studios are ready to listen to bigger ideas now.”

I want to start on Krypton, a thousand years ago, and end with Superman alone on Planet Earth, the last being left on the planet, as the yellow sun turns red and starts to supernova, and he loses his powers."

Can't figure out why we need another origins story. The ending sounds like it could be epic but I'm not sure why he ruined it for everybody.

man I like that idea.

[SkyHeldUpByStar]

Has anyone read this yet? Apparently Chris Nolan is going to be "mentoring" the development of the new Superman movie (whatever it's going to be....at this point I have no idea).

Our insiders say that the brains behind rebooted Batman has been asked to play a "godfather" role and ensure The Man Of Steel gets off the ground after a 3 1/2-year hiatus.

http://www.deadline.com/hollywood/its-a-bird-its-a-plane-its-chris-nolan-hell-mentor-superman-3-0-while-preparing-3rd-batman/

Thoughts?

[jwicklun]

Has anyone read this yet? Apparently Chris Nolan is going to be "mentoring" the development of the new Superman movie (whatever it's going to be....at this point I have no idea).



http://www.deadline.com/hollywood/its-a-bird-its-a-plane-its-chris-nolan-hell-mentor-superman-3-0-while-preparing-3rd-batman/

Thoughts?
not a bad idea actually. Nolan knows his story mechanics that will be a huge plus. And with his knowledge of Batman, I think it would be safe to say he would know how to keep the Superman fans happy.

[SkyHeldUpByStar]

not a bad idea actually. Nolan knows his story mechanics that will be a huge plus. And with his knowledge of Batman, I think it would be safe to say he would know how to keep the Superman fans happy.
It'll certainly be interesting to say the least. I'm still confused as to what this movie is actually going to be. It's changed so many times over the last four years.

[drudo182]

Rumor has it that WB wants Chris Columbus to direct the Superman reboot... God, no.

[sevinw0rds]

What?!?!?

[Prestonxsmith]

Who in the hell is Chris Columbus?

[Gaugzilla]

Who in the hell is Chris Columbus?
http://www.writeonnewjersey.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Christopher-Columbus.jpg

[drudo182]

Who in the hell is Chris Columbus?

Just to name a few of the bigger movies

Adventures in Babysitting
Home Alone
Home Alone 2
Mrs. Doubtfire
Nine Months
Jingle all the Way
Stepmom
Bicentennial Man
Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone
Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secets
Rent
I Love You, Beth Cooper
Percy Jackson & the Olympians: The Lightning Thief

[narcoleptic953]

Chris Columbus has made some of my favorite movies (Home Alones, Mrs Doubtfire), but no way he's the right director for Superman.

[anthonydarko]

Lol what an awful choice if true

[SkyHeldUpByStar]

Please, please, please don't let this happen.

[Prestonxsmith]

There is no way he is being considered.