A strong Conservative here, who may be switching sides

[birdman]

Anyone who knows me knows that I am a strong conservative, not a republican, a conservative. I believe in small government, free markets, a states rights, and lower taxes. I believe that unless its a military matter or national security matter, the federal government should stay out of it. I believe that the government destroys everything that they touch. I believe that Bush and his administration ruined the Republican party, and I believe that John McCain is a very smart man.

Having said that, I believe that I am voting for Obama in '08. Confused? Let me explain.

- One of the main criticisms of Obama is that he is wet behind the ears, and doesn't have the experience to run the country. Well, after the Clinton dynasty and the Bush regime (two politicians who have A LOT of experience) maybe it is time for some fresh ideas and a fresh outlook. The previous two presidents did terrible jobs with all of their experience.

- I have voted Republican in the last 2 presidential elections and the last 3 midterm elections. While the Republicans lost Congress in the last midterm, the situation it created was having a Republican president and a Democratic Congress. So for the past two years they have gotten absolutely nothing done. THIS IS A GOOD THING!!! The more gum you can stick in the gears of the government the better, the less the government can do, the better. Every time the government makes a law they are taking the choice away from you. So while I plan to vote Obama into the Oval office, I also plan to vote Republican for my house and senate seats.

- John McCain, and excuse me for being insensitive, COULD very well die in his term as president should he win. So unless he picks a killer VP (I am hoping Lieberman), my faith in his longevity as a president is stilted by his age. Again, I am not trying to be a dick, but lets face it the guy is old.

- I am a strong fiscal conservative, but I believe myself to be a social liberal. I don't think there should be any law banning gay marriage (I don't think there should be any laws regarding marriage period), I believe that while abortion is socially unacceptable, a woman should have the right to safe treatment should she choose to have one. I believe in basic civil rights (or as i call it, human decency) for illegal immigrants while continuing to find solutions to our immigration issue.

- We have an energy crisis, and a banking crisis in this country right now. I think that it was the old guard ideas of Clinton and Bush that put us in this situation. We need to loosen up the energy market (aka, not tax the fuck out of them) to encourage companies to invest in alternative energy. We need to pump money into military applied science to create new technologies to convert wind and solar energy into products we can use. THAT is how you bring down oil prices!!! We are always going to need oil, but our situation isn't so dire that we need to destroy our own environment for every last drop of oil.

Anyways, I am sick of writing. Let me know what you think.

[TK]

Anyone who knows me knows that I am a strong conservative, not a republican, a conservative. I believe in small government, free markets, a states rights, and lower taxes. I believe that unless its a military matter or national security matter, the federal government should stay out of it. I believe that the government destroys everything that they touch. I believe that Bush and his administration ruined the Republican party, and I believe that John McCain is a very smart man.

Having said that, I believe that I am voting for Obama in '08. Confused? Let me explain.

- One of the main criticisms of Obama is that he is wet behind the ears, and doesn't have the experience to run the country. Well, after the Clinton dynasty and the Bush regime (two politicians who have A LOT of experience) maybe it is time for some fresh ideas and a fresh outlook. The previous two presidents did terrible jobs with all of their experience.

- I have voted Republican in the last 3 presidential elections and the last two midterm elections. While the Republicans lost Congress in the last midterm, the situation it created was having a Republican president and a Democratic Congress. So for the past two years they have gotten absolutely nothing done. THIS IS A GOOD THING!!! The more gum you can stick in the gears of the government the better, the less the government can do, the better. Every time the government makes a law they are taking the choice away from you. So while I plan to vote Obama into the Oval office, I also plan to vote Republican for my house and senate seats.

- John McCain, and excuse me for being insensitive, COULD very well die in his term as president should he win. So unless he picks a killer VP (I am hoping Lieberman), my faith in his longevity as a president is stilted by his age. Again, I am not trying to be a dick, but lets face it the guy is old.

- I am a strong fiscal conservative, but I believe myself to be a social liberal. I don't think there should be any law banning gay marriage (I don't think there should be any laws regarding marriage period), I believe that while abortion is socially unacceptable, a woman should have the right to safe treatment should she choose to have one. I believe in basic civil rights (or as i call it, human decency) for illegal immigrants while continuing to find solutions to our immigration issue.

- We have an energy crisis, and a banking crisis in this country right now. I think that it was the old guard ideas of Clinton and Bush that put us in this situation. We need to loosen up the energy market (aka, not tax the fuck out of them) to encourage companies to invest in alternative energy. We need to pump money into military applied science to create new technologies to convert wind and solar energy into products we can use. THAT is how you bring down oil prices!!! We are always going to need oil, but our situation isn't so dire that we need to destroy our own environment for every last drop of oil.

Anyways, I am sick of writing. Let me know what you think.

How can you be 26, and have voted in the last 3 presidential elections?

26 Years Old
-12 Years
____
14 Years Old

[birdman]

How can you be 26, and have voted in the last 3 presidential elections?

26 Years Old
-12 Years
____
14 Years Old

haha, thanks for pointing that out, I meant 2 presidential elections, 3 midterm elections.

[The_kok]

Aren't you more of a libertarian though?

[birdman]

Aren't you more of a libertarian though?

Well, I define libertarian as the most extreme kind of conservative. So yes, I am a libertarian. But the Republicans that are in office right now ARE NOT conservatives by any stretch of the imagination. Thus, we must fire them.

[Machu505]

Well, I define libertarian as the most extreme kind of conservative. So yes, I am a libertarian. But the Republicans that are in office right now ARE NOT conservatives by any stretch of the imagination. Thus, we must fire them.

George W. Bush isn't conservative?

[saysmydoctor]

tl;dr

[birdman]

George W. Bush isn't conservative?

A conservative is fiscally responsible (he is not), and wants to decrease the size of government (Bush and Cheney have INCREASED the size of government exponentially during their term)

[theliftedlorax8]

I think it's great that you're willing to look at what the candidates stand for and decide based on that, rather than what political party they belong to.

[se1046]

Anyone who knows me knows that I am a strong conservative, not a republican, a conservative. I believe in small government, free markets, a states rights, and lower taxes. I believe that unless its a military matter or national security matter, the federal government should stay out of it. I believe that the government destroys everything that they touch. I believe that Bush and his administration ruined the Republican party, and I believe that John McCain is a very smart man.

Having said that, I believe that I am voting for Obama in '08. Confused? Let me explain.

- One of the main criticisms of Obama is that he is wet behind the ears, and doesn't have the experience to run the country. Well, after the Clinton dynasty and the Bush regime (two politicians who have A LOT of experience) maybe it is time for some fresh ideas and a fresh outlook. The previous two presidents did terrible jobs with all of their experience.

- I have voted Republican in the last 2 presidential elections and the last 3 midterm elections. While the Republicans lost Congress in the last midterm, the situation it created was having a Republican president and a Democratic Congress. So for the past two years they have gotten absolutely nothing done. THIS IS A GOOD THING!!! The more gum you can stick in the gears of the government the better, the less the government can do, the better. Every time the government makes a law they are taking the choice away from you. So while I plan to vote Obama into the Oval office, I also plan to vote Republican for my house and senate seats.

- John McCain, and excuse me for being insensitive, COULD very well die in his term as president should he win. So unless he picks a killer VP (I am hoping Lieberman), my faith in his longevity as a president is stilted by his age. Again, I am not trying to be a dick, but lets face it the guy is old.

- I am a strong fiscal conservative, but I believe myself to be a social liberal. I don't think there should be any law banning gay marriage (I don't think there should be any laws regarding marriage period), I believe that while abortion is socially unacceptable, a woman should have the right to safe treatment should she choose to have one. I believe in basic civil rights (or as i call it, human decency) for illegal immigrants while continuing to find solutions to our immigration issue.

- We have an energy crisis, and a banking crisis in this country right now. I think that it was the old guard ideas of Clinton and Bush that put us in this situation. We need to loosen up the energy market (aka, not tax the fuck out of them) to encourage companies to invest in alternative energy. We need to pump money into military applied science to create new technologies to convert wind and solar energy into products we can use. THAT is how you bring down oil prices!!! We are always going to need oil, but our situation isn't so dire that we need to destroy our own environment for every last drop of oil.

Anyways, I am sick of writing. Let me know what you think.

your second point about the government not getting anything done being a good thing, I agree with. I don't see how putting a democrat in at president is going to help that view though.

your fourth point- obama wants to tax the heck out of the "energy market"

I don't get why you're voting for him if you're a conservative?

[aidan1029]

Anyone who knows me knows that I am a strong conservative, not a republican, a conservative. I believe in small government, free markets, a states rights, and lower taxes. I believe that unless its a military matter or national security matter, the federal government should stay out of it. I believe that the government destroys everything that they touch. I believe that Bush and his administration ruined the Republican party, and I believe that John McCain is a very smart man.

Having said that, I believe that I am voting for Obama in '08. Confused? Let me explain.

- One of the main criticisms of Obama is that he is wet behind the ears, and doesn't have the experience to run the country. Well, after the Clinton dynasty and the Bush regime (two politicians who have A LOT of experience) maybe it is time for some fresh ideas and a fresh outlook. The previous two presidents did terrible jobs with all of their experience.

- I have voted Republican in the last 2 presidential elections and the last 3 midterm elections. While the Republicans lost Congress in the last midterm, the situation it created was having a Republican president and a Democratic Congress. So for the past two years they have gotten absolutely nothing done. THIS IS A GOOD THING!!! The more gum you can stick in the gears of the government the better, the less the government can do, the better. Every time the government makes a law they are taking the choice away from you. So while I plan to vote Obama into the Oval office, I also plan to vote Republican for my house and senate seats.

- John McCain, and excuse me for being insensitive, COULD very well die in his term as president should he win. So unless he picks a killer VP (I am hoping Lieberman), my faith in his longevity as a president is stilted by his age. Again, I am not trying to be a dick, but lets face it the guy is old.

- I am a strong fiscal conservative, but I believe myself to be a social liberal. I don't think there should be any law banning gay marriage (I don't think there should be any laws regarding marriage period), I believe that while abortion is socially unacceptable, a woman should have the right to safe treatment should she choose to have one. I believe in basic civil rights (or as i call it, human decency) for illegal immigrants while continuing to find solutions to our immigration issue.

- We have an energy crisis, and a banking crisis in this country right now. I think that it was the old guard ideas of Clinton and Bush that put us in this situation. We need to loosen up the energy market (aka, not tax the fuck out of them) to encourage companies to invest in alternative energy. We need to pump money into military applied science to create new technologies to convert wind and solar energy into products we can use. THAT is how you bring down oil prices!!! We are always going to need oil, but our situation isn't so dire that we need to destroy our own environment for every last drop of oil.

Anyways, I am sick of writing. Let me know what you think.
How can you say that Obama's lack of experience doesn't matter when you also say that John McCain's age does matter. Nooooo...it doesn't matter if you lack experience (too young), but it does matter if you are too old. Try some consistency in your argument. I don't think that age matters. I like Obama enough to overlook his "lack of experience". I'm a very pragmatic person...I go with what I think will work best. That being said, I honestly don't know who I favor more. I'm not going to put much thought in this because I'm running on three hours of sleep.

[se1046]

A conservative is fiscally responsible (he is not), and wants to decrease the size of government (Bush and Cheney have INCREASED the size of government exponentially during their term)

I agree with this too.

[jbaseball44]

Remember that Obama is really an economic conservative in the grand scheme or things, he's just not as extreme as Bush or Mccain.

Having said that Bush spent fuck loads on two unwinnable wars instead of spending it on better things. Obama would likely spend the same or less than Bush did because he wouldn't spend on Iraq.

I can definitely sympathise with not wanting to spend money but that's not what the Republicans stand for right now. They stand for spending a lot on foreign policy and social moralising and very little on health care and eduication. The democrats stand for the reverse but don't neccessarily intend to spend more. They will just spend in different and in my opinion better areas.

The money spent on Iraq could easilly have insured all those uninsured people you have.

Agreed

[Clockwork]

Anyone who knows me knows that I am a strong conservative, not a republican, a conservative. I believe in small government, free markets, a states rights, and lower taxes. I believe that unless its a military matter or national security matter, the federal government should stay out of it. I believe that the government destroys everything that they touch. I believe that Bush and his administration ruined the Republican party, and I believe that John McCain is a very smart man.

Having said that, I believe that I am voting for Obama in '08. Confused? Let me explain.

- One of the main criticisms of Obama is that he is wet behind the ears, and doesn't have the experience to run the country. Well, after the Clinton dynasty and the Bush regime (two politicians who have A LOT of experience) maybe it is time for some fresh ideas and a fresh outlook. The previous two presidents did terrible jobs with all of their experience.

- I have voted Republican in the last 2 presidential elections and the last 3 midterm elections. While the Republicans lost Congress in the last midterm, the situation it created was having a Republican president and a Democratic Congress. So for the past two years they have gotten absolutely nothing done. THIS IS A GOOD THING!!! The more gum you can stick in the gears of the government the better, the less the government can do, the better. Every time the government makes a law they are taking the choice away from you. So while I plan to vote Obama into the Oval office, I also plan to vote Republican for my house and senate seats.

- John McCain, and excuse me for being insensitive, COULD very well die in his term as president should he win. So unless he picks a killer VP (I am hoping Lieberman), my faith in his longevity as a president is stilted by his age. Again, I am not trying to be a dick, but lets face it the guy is old.

- I am a strong fiscal conservative, but I believe myself to be a social liberal. I don't think there should be any law banning gay marriage (I don't think there should be any laws regarding marriage period), I believe that while abortion is socially unacceptable, a woman should have the right to safe treatment should she choose to have one. I believe in basic civil rights (or as i call it, human decency) for illegal immigrants while continuing to find solutions to our immigration issue.

- We have an energy crisis, and a banking crisis in this country right now. I think that it was the old guard ideas of Clinton and Bush that put us in this situation. We need to loosen up the energy market (aka, not tax the fuck out of them) to encourage companies to invest in alternative energy. We need to pump money into military applied science to create new technologies to convert wind and solar energy into products we can use. THAT is how you bring down oil prices!!! We are always going to need oil, but our situation isn't so dire that we need to destroy our own environment for every last drop of oil.

Anyways, I am sick of writing. Let me know what you think.

I wish more people could voice what and why they believe like you do.

[saysmydoctor]

Bush has experience? He was a one-term governor, maybe two. Hence why he surrounded himself by those with experience.

Also, gas companies get tons of tax breaks.

[Lueda Alia]

your second point about the government not getting anything done being a good thing, I agree with. I don't see how putting a democrat in at president is going to help that view though.

your fourth point- obama wants to tax the heck out of the "energy market"

I don't get why you're voting for him if you're a conservative?
I thought he already explained why he might vote for Obama, despite the fact that he's a Conservative? Maybe you should read his post again.

[open mind]

no republican president from the last 30 plus years has been fiscally responsible.

[birdman]

no republican president from the last 30 plus years has been fiscally responsible.

Sorry, gotta disagree with that one, I still think Reagen was a genius.

[Machu505]

Sorry, gotta disagree with that one, I still think Reagen was a genius.

Reagan was a shitty president.

We haven't had a good president since Kennedy, and Obama really does have the potential to break that streak.

[jbaseball44]

Sorry, gotta disagree with that one, I still think Reagen was a genius.

I doubt you could say he was fiscally responsible though.

[saysmydoctor]

Reagan can be a genius and still not be fiscally responsible.

[GiggsOho]

Sorry, gotta disagree with that one, I still think Reagen was a genius.

200 billion in debt after his term. Trickle down economics was fucking stupid, there is no other way to say it.

[Machu505]

200 billion in debt after his term. Trickle down economics was fucking stupid, there is no other way to say it.

Trickle down was fucking stupid. My parents had to move from West Virginia to Texas just to find work.

[aolsux]

I hate fucking terms and labels. No one can have their own opinion anymore, it's all "well I'm a conservative so I vote for ______," "I am a liberal so I cannot vote for _____," "I want my vagina monitored by the US Government so I am voting for _______."

And I feel that it's a hypocritical statement.

[AnarchyintheUS]

We need to pump money into military applied science to create new technologies to convert wind and solar energy into products we can use. THAT is how you bring down oil prices!!!

Those technologies already exist. But there is too much money to be made from oil.

And oil prices are going to fall sharply again... supply is outpacing demand now.

Speculators will always bid up the market and make a buck, but oil is going nowhere for a long time.

[Skadrist]

Hey Reagan did have an awesome foreign policy.

jk

[GuitarR0cker1]

So many hyprocritical points in his reasoning. It seems like he wants the government to do things about energy but at the same time he thinks it is wrong for the government to expand which would be necessary.

[&IllBeTheReason]

How can you say that Obama's lack of experience doesn't matter when you also say that John McCain's age does matter. Nooooo...it doesn't matter if you lack experience (too young), but it does matter if you are too old. Try some consistency in your argument. I don't think that age matters. I like Obama enough to overlook his "lack of experience". I'm a very pragmatic person...I go with what I think will work best. That being said, I honestly don't know who I favor more. I'm not going to put much thought in this because I'm running on three hours of sleep.
I'm sorry, can you die from being too young?

[saysmydoctor]

Those technologies already exist. But there is too much money to be made from oil.

And oil prices are going to fall sharply again... supply is outpacing demand now.

Speculators will always bid up the market and make a buck, but oil is going nowhere for a long time.
Oh really?

[GuitarR0cker1]

Those technologies already exist. But there is too much money to be made from oil.

And oil prices are going to fall sharply again... supply is outpacing demand now.

Speculators will always bid up the market and make a buck, but oil is going nowhere for a long time.
That posts shows you know little about the situation. We are past peak oil and are going to be facing severe problems for years to come.

[saysmydoctor]

Don't fuck with him, he supports anarchy and believes 9/11 is a conspiracy. This guy is advanced.

[asmolitor]

well, he's not completely off-based. there has been an absolutely miniscule drop in oil demand (albeit domestically) coupled with an absolutely miniscule rise in supply - roughly equal to the ever-so-slight reduction. of course, that was last month, could've changed since then. plus, oil futures seem to be hovering around $115 a barrel - i forget where the supposed support/resistance levels are on the chart, but i do remember $115 being fairly important. i'm pretty sure a lasting drop below $115 could send it back to around $80-90. of course, another spike could send it on its way to $200. but it's all based on whatever random WSJ article the speculators read which morning.

[open mind]

Sorry, gotta disagree with that one, I still think Reagen was a genius.

reagan was a dipshit and he's been given far to much credit.....but my point was he wasn't fiscally responsible, and when you look at the debt he racked up i don't think anyone can credibly argue that he was.

[Machu505]

Don't fuck with him, he supports anarchy and believes 9/11 is a conspiracy. This guy is advanced.

He's certainly beyond the normal homo sapien.

[saysmydoctor]

Shut the fuck up, don't mess with this motherfucker.

[ghostyouare]

Reagan was a shitty president.

We haven't had a good president since Kennedy, and Obama really does have the potential to break that streak.
kennedy was a good president? The guy that got us into vietnam was a good president? The guy that wanted nothing to do with civil rights was definitely not a good president.

[Nevuk]

I don't think America has ever actually had a good president

[Machu505]

kennedy was a good president? The guy that got us into vietnam was a good president? The guy that wanted nothing to do with civil rights was definitely not a good president.

1. The movie The Fog of War shows a tape recording that confirms that Kennedy had planned on pulling out of Vietnam soon. But after he was assassinated, Johnson only escalated the problem.

2. Kennedy had proposed what would become the Civil Rights Act of 1964 before he died, Johnson was the one who signed it into power.

[AnarchyintheUS]

Kennedy was taken out because he was trying too hard to promote US/Soviet co-operation in Space.

On September 20, 1963, in a speech before the UN General Assembly, Kennedy invited the USSR to join the United States in developing a joint expedition to the moon, the same mission he had justified two years earlier primarily on the basis of American-Soviet rivalry.

[Machu505]

I blame Johnson.

[jbaseball44]

I blame Johnson.

As do I.

[ghostyouare]

1. The movie The Fog of War shows a tape recording that confirms that Kennedy had planned on pulling out of Vietnam soon. But after he was assassinated, Johnson only escalated the problem.

2. Kennedy had proposed what would become the Civil Rights Act of 1964 before he died, Johnson was the one who signed it into power.
kennedy was a bunch of talk and a lack of action. He dicked out the freedom rides and wasnt really all the behind being a civil rights leader. Johnson inherited kennedys fuck ups, yes he did make vietnam worse but atleast he had the guts to sign that bill. Johnson would have been an amazing president that the era needed if he didnt have to follow kennedy.

[saysmydoctor]

1. The movie The Fog of War shows a tape recording that confirms that Kennedy had planned on pulling out of Vietnam soon. But after he was assassinated, Johnson only escalated the problem.

2. Kennedy had proposed what would become the Civil Rights Act of 1964 before he died, Johnson was the one who signed it into power.
What I came to say.

[Machu505]

kennedy was a bunch of talk and a lack of action. He dicked out the freedom rides and wasnt really all the behind being a civil rights leader. Johnson inherited kennedys fuck ups, yes he did make vietnam worse but atleast he had the guts to sign that bill. Johnson would have been an amazing president that the era needed if he didnt have to follow kennedy.

Kennedy sent the bill to Congress on June 19 to go through legislation. He was dead by the time it came out of the House of Reps. He couldn't have signed it.

[saysmydoctor]

Kennedy sent the bill to Congress on June 19 to go through legislation. He was dead by the time it came out of the House of Reps. He couldn't have signed it.
And that's his fucking problem, if he gave a shit, he would have pulled a Jesus Christ for three days. Stop giving that "He was dead" shit.

:rolleyes:

[Machu505]

And that's his fucking problem, if he gave a shit, he would have pulled a Jesus Christ for three days. Stop giving that "He was dead" shit.

:rolleyes:

And he would've flamethrower'd Johnson.

[saysmydoctor]

And he would've flamethrower'd Johnson.
:lol:

[highpi]

Kennedy sent the bill to Congress on June 19 to go through legislation. He was dead by the time it came out of the House of Reps. He couldn't have signed it.
kennedy was like the wroste predesident ever becuase he cuased the cuban missele crisis becuase when he spoke to the communist leader he wsa sick making them think we were weak and a push over so he had no fear putting nukes on cuba almost cuasing the first nuclear war and probibly the last so he was terrible and dont forgot the bay of pigs

[Machu505]

kennedy was like the wroste predesident ever becuase he cuased the cuban missele crisis becuase when he spoke to the communist leader he wsa sick making them think we were weak and a push over so he had no fear putting nukes on cuba almost cuasing the first nuclear war and probibly the last so he was terrible and dont forgot the bay of pigs

3 worst presidents imo: Reagan, Bush, Bush

Meeting with Khrushchev only helped evade nuclear war because the Soviets removed the Cuban missiles afterwords lol

[saysmydoctor]

kennedy was like the wroste predesident ever becuase he cuased the cuban missele crisis becuase when he spoke to the communist leader he wsa sick making them think we were weak and a push over so he had no fear putting nukes on cuba almost cuasing the first nuclear war and probibly the last so he was terrible and dont forgot the bay of pigs
What?

[Machu505]

What?

RUN-ON SENTENCE OVERLOAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!

x

[jbaseball44]

kennedy was like the wroste predesident ever becuase he cuased the cuban missele crisis becuase when he spoke to the communist leader he wsa sick making them think we were weak and a push over so he had no fear putting nukes on cuba almost cuasing the first nuclear war and probibly the last so he was terrible and dont forgot the bay of pigs

Kennedy's relationship with Khrushchev only helped avoid nuclear war, i doubt very much that Khrushchev thought we were weak. Also, Kennedy did not plan the bay of pigs, that was Eisenhower and the CIA. When he got into office the whole thing was already planned, all he did was give the order

[open mind]

kennedy was a good president? The guy that got us into vietnam was a good president? The guy that wanted nothing to do with civil rights was definitely not a good president.

kennedy wasn't the one who began our involvement in vietnam, and he was going to pull the u.s. out of the country but he was killed before he could.

[open mind]

kennedy was like the wroste predesident ever becuase he cuased the cuban missele crisis becuase when he spoke to the communist leader he wsa sick making them think we were weak and a push over so he had no fear putting nukes on cuba almost cuasing the first nuclear war and probibly the last so he was terrible and dont forgot the bay of pigs

you don't know the real history here, kennedy blockaded cuba with our navy during the missle crisis and essentially dared the soviets to try and do something about it.......while simultaneously being as diplomatic as possible.