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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/22/opinion/22fri2.html?_r=1&oref=slogin (http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/08/08/22/2054229.shtml)
Not quite yet but would be such a pity for our freedom.
Machu505
08/24/08, 04:50 AM
What the fuck is the U.S. anymore? It's as if we live in fucking Oceania. Iceland and Canada ftw.
What the fuck is the U.S. anymore? It's as if we live in fucking Oceania. Iceland and Canada ftw.
What?
Where's AnarchyintheUS?
Machu505
08/24/08, 02:40 PM
What?
Whe's AnarchyintheUS?
Sorry, I couldn't help myself. I'm not a crazy 9/11 conspiracy theorist, but shit like this makes me angry.
SoggY ThE OnE
08/24/08, 03:09 PM
What the fuck is the U.S. anymore? It's as if we live in fucking Oceania. Iceland and Canada ftw.
The televisions have heard my thoughtcrimes!
GiggsOho
08/24/08, 03:12 PM
it will be interesting to see how this plays out.
Orwell was so the Nostradamus of our time
anamericangod
08/24/08, 03:16 PM
LOL thought crimes.
SoggY ThE OnE
08/24/08, 03:18 PM
Orwell was so the Nostradamus of our time
That's a bold statement.
but he deserves to be recognized somehow.
1984 is THE book of the 20th century.
This is should be such a big deal. They are only so capable of fucking with us now because we fail to do a thing against them. Our society is o full of lazy parasites.
We're to blame if freedom eventually becomes slavery.
AnarchyintheUS
08/25/08, 05:18 AM
Sorry, I couldn't help myself. I'm not a crazy 9/11 conspiracy theorist, but shit like this makes me angry.
Do you realise that a decent portion of the US believe 9/11 was an inside job...
And outside the USA, the VAST majority of people believe these "craaaaaazy" theories.
paper halo
08/25/08, 05:23 AM
Do you realise that a decent portion of the US believe 9/11 was an inside job...
And outside the USA, the VAST majority of people believe these "craaaaaazy" theories.
That's called an appeal to belief and is a logical fallacy. Saying lots of people agree with you doesn't validate your argument.
AnarchyintheUS
08/25/08, 05:24 AM
Put "9/11 truth" into Google you get more than 22 million hits.
A New York Times/CBS News poll in 2006 found that 53% of those questioned thought the Bush administration was hiding something. Another US poll found a third of those questioned thought government officials either assisted in the 9/11 attacks or allowed them to happen.
AnarchyintheUS
08/25/08, 05:26 AM
That's called an appeal to belief and is a logical fallacy. Saying lots of people agree with you doesn't validate your argument.
True, but these people try and make these beliefs out to be on the lunatic fringes.
Which they clearly are not.
Put "9/11 truth" into Google you get more than 22 million hits.
A New York Times/CBS News poll in 2006 found that 53% of those questioned thought the Bush administration was hiding something. Another US poll found a third of those questioned thought government officials either assisted in the 9/11 attacks or allowed them to happen.
Google is a US corporation, I'd hardly trust them for anything like that.
True, but these people try and make these beliefs out to be on the lunatic fringes.
Which they clearly are not.
Something like 25% of american's believe in it according to south park. But as South Park points out, 25% of people in the US are fucking stupid.
With that said, I could see passive conspiratorial work. I don't think the Bush administration is competent enough to pull off an active conspiracy, but would they have sat back and allowed it to happen, with some amount of prior knowledge? Possibly. Now as to whether that's sheer ineptitude or something else, who knows.
AnarchyintheUS
08/25/08, 08:11 AM
Something like 25% of american's believe in it according to south park. But as South Park points out, 25% of people in the US are fucking stupid.
With that said, I could see passive conspiratorial work. I don't think the Bush administration is competent enough to pull off an active conspiracy, but would they have sat back and allowed it to happen, with some amount of prior knowledge? Possibly. Now as to whether that's sheer ineptitude or something else, who knows.
I, for one, do not believe 9/11 was just the work of a few crazies in the Bush administration.
And even leaving out all of the questionable events that occured on 9/11...
To think that Bush and his cronies had no prior knowledge and nothing to do with any of it, and then they just happened to capitalise on the situation:
And go into 3 wars (including Iran) in the Middle-East, and install the Patriot Act.
Believing that would be dumber than some of the crazy theories out there.
SoggY ThE OnE
08/25/08, 11:36 AM
9/11 could have been avoided.
case closed.
open mind
08/25/08, 07:35 PM
couple this news with the patriot act, fisa, gps's in cars and cell phones, and corporate information gathering/sharing and it's hard not to say this past decade hasn't been murder on privacy and liberty.
x togepi x
08/25/08, 07:39 PM
Put "9/11 truth" into Google you get more than 22 million hits.
A New York Times/CBS News poll in 2006 found that 53% of those questioned thought the Bush administration was hiding something. Another US poll found a third of those questioned thought government officials either assisted in the 9/11 attacks or allowed them to happen.
too bad "hiding something" doesn't mean "conspiracy to cause 9/11". i think the government is probably hiding things about 9/11, but i don't think the government did it because i'm not a moron. there's a huge difference, but making your idiotic conspiracy theories seem credible because 53% of people in a survey agree with you on a vague level is ridiculous, especially when it all amounts to one big bandwagon fallacy anyway.
saysmydoctor
08/25/08, 10:36 PM
9/11 could have been avoided.
case closed.
Has anyone denied that fact? That's not even the topic at hand. Shut the fuck up.
Jason Tate
08/25/08, 10:46 PM
I, for one, do not believe 9/11 was just the work of a few crazies in the Bush administration.
And even leaving out all of the questionable events that occured on 9/11...
To think that Bush and his cronies had no prior knowledge and nothing to do with any of it, and then they just happened to capitalise on the situation:
And go into 3 wars (including Iran) in the Middle-East, and install the Patriot Act.
Believing that would be dumber than some of the crazy theories out there.
Holy shit I hate stupid people.
Too bad you can't ban stupidity. It's seriously annoying trying to put with a conspiracy theorist.
OldJersey
08/25/08, 11:17 PM
ouch my head hurts from reading that senseless bullshit
i say we proclaim a war on all the retarded conspiracy theorists just so we do not need to put up with their endless banter on bullshit conspiracies anymore.
Broken Parachute
08/26/08, 01:19 AM
I, for one, do not believe 9/11 was just the work of a few crazies in the Bush administration.
And even leaving out all of the questionable events that occured on 9/11...
To think that Bush and his cronies had no prior knowledge and nothing to do with any of it, and then they just happened to capitalise on the situation:
And go into 3 wars (including Iran) in the Middle-East, and install the Patriot Act.
Believing that would be dumber than some of the crazy theories out there.http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/images/conspiracy_tot1.gif
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paper halo
08/26/08, 02:21 AM
Haha, someone's been on thebestpageintheuniverse today.
AnarchyintheUS
08/26/08, 07:03 AM
Holy shit I hate stupid people.
You must really hate yourself then.
paper halo
08/26/08, 07:14 AM
Witty.
AnarchyintheUS
08/26/08, 09:13 AM
Indeed.
Jason Tate
08/26/08, 10:04 AM
You must really hate yourself then.
I rest my case.
SoggY ThE OnE
08/26/08, 12:57 PM
I thought this thread was about George Orwell X-)
incredulous
08/30/08, 04:16 PM
Well, the FBi has been spying on people under the radar for a long time. Back in the 50s/60s, Cointelpro was the name of a series of often illegal investigations into groups that were "potentially dangerous to the national defense of public safety of the United States" like the New Left and Black Nationalists (probably what the linked article is referring to). I don't see much of a defference. Now they'll just cross out "Black Nationalist" and pencil in "terrorism". And now, with the advent of new technology, there are more methods they can use.
This is also interesting: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080801/tc_nm/usa_security_laptops_dc
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