The 2008 Denver DNC Discussion Thread

[WarpSpeedChewy]

Schedule for Democratic National Convention
(http://www.cnbc.com/id/26311221)
Michelle Obama is supposed to be speaking tonight. I'm looking forward to her speech and seeing how this whole thing kicks off the next stage of the election. Plus further on Ted Kennedy, Joe Biden should all be making their respective speeches. Joe Biden appearance should be interesting since this will be it'll really be his first big presentation as VP on his own.

[Machu505]

Coolio.

[loveisdead]

I don't have cable :-(

[saysmydoctor]

Geraldine Ferraro, GET OFF TV.

[Machu505]

Haha, Daddy Yankee supports McCain.

[saysmydoctor]

Haha, Daddy Yankee supports McCain.
Duh. He isn't a true yankee otherwise.

[GiggsOho]

Haha, Daddy Yankee supports McCain.

I heard McCain introduce him today and my jaw hit the floor.


MCCAIN/YANKEE 08 - NO MORE EXPENSIVE GASOLINA.

[Machu505]

Well Obama has support from Wilco, Arcade Fire, Jay-Z, and Conor Oberst. What now McCain?

[saysmydoctor]

Arcade Fire > any endorsements

[Machu505]

OBAMA/ARCADE FIRE '08

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[Machu505]

Jack Cafferty is pretty awesome.

[saysmydoctor]

OBAMA/ARCADE FIRE '08

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Gov. Deval Patrick (D) MA. “OBAMA’S ECONOMIC POLICIES”
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I'm excited.

10:00PM EDT
Republican for Obama

Who is this?

[saysmydoctor]

Defeat Al Qaeda in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Silly cochair. I hope you plan to do this by pulling out of the Middle East entirely and stop giving money to Israel, or you will fucking fail and waste my tax money.

[Machu505]

Gov. Deval Patrick (D) MA. “OBAMA’S ECONOMIC POLICIES”
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I'm excited.

10:00PM EDT
Republican for Obama

Who is this?

idk

[saysmydoctor]

This mayor is a good speaker. He should run for governor.

[Machu505]

Jim Leach is the republican for Obama you spoke of I think.

[saysmydoctor]

Get Joe Baca off the stage. Why would you appropriate even more funds to a military base, you fucking dipshit. 11 million dollars in road work and all they did was tear it back up to put in piping. What a fucking waste.

[saysmydoctor]

Was he saying Orama on purpose?

[mattybobviously]

Only watching tonight to see my girlfriend Claire speak.

[saysmydoctor]

Grace Napolitano just owned McCain, in Spanish.

[saysmydoctor]

Only watching tonight to see my girlfriend Claire speak.
McCaskill?

[Machu505]

I bet Lou Dobbs' head is exploding right now from all the Spanish being spoken.

[saysmydoctor]

I bet Lou Dobbs' head is exploding right now from all the Spanish being spoken.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA PUERTO RICO?! BOOM HEADSHOT.

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[saysmydoctor]

Who the hell is DJing? The music is awesome.

[saysmydoctor]

The pro-choice lobby is so misunderstood.

[mattybobviously]

McCaskill?
Mmhmmm

[saysmydoctor]

Mmhmmm
I don't know anything about her, who is she?

[Machu505]

I need a big avatar now so I can pimp an Obama/Biden avatar.

[mattybobviously]

I don't know anything about her, who is she?

Junior Senator from Missouri, elected in '06, spent a few years as an attourney, was State Auditor, lost a close governor's race in '04. Worked closely with Sen. Obama on the senate floor, and has sworn not to use earmarks

[saysmydoctor]

Junior Senator from Missouri, elected in '06, spent a few years as an attourney, was State Auditor, lost a close governor's race in '04. Worked closely with Sen. Obama on the senate floor, and has sworn not to use earmarks
She is good in my book.

[saysmydoctor]

Al Sharpton. Who the fuck?

[Machu505]

Al Sharpton. Who the fuck?

He was invited to perform on Dancing with the Stars, but he declined haha.

[Machu505]

Bruce Springsteen performing on Thursday? Awesome.

[saysmydoctor]

He was invited to perform on Dancing with the Stars, but he declined haha.
Ahahahahaha no way?
Bruce Springsteen performing on Thursday? Awesome.
Jesse Lacey plays after Obama's acceptance speech.

[Machu505]

Ahahahahaha no way?

Could have sworn I read that somewhere.

EDIT: Found it. (http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2008/07/25/2008-07-25_side_dish_jeter_seeing_a_lotto_r achel.html)

[saysmydoctor]

Ahahaha, amazing.

Hey fuckheads: it's a microphone, stop shouting.

[Machu505]

I wish Dick Cheney had ran this year. The White House would automatically belong to Obama.

[LastPlaceRocks]

That's one of the few reasons why this as close of a race as it is.

[Machu505]

Appearantly, the public is not convinced that J-Mac will be another G-Dub. (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/25/poll.mixedmessage/index.html)

[saysmydoctor]

I wish Dick Cheney had ran this year. The White House would automatically belong to Obama.
Maybe.
Appearantly, the public is not convinced that J-Mac will be another G-Dub. (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/25/poll.mixedmessage/index.html)
The American public is dumb.

[LastPlaceRocks]

Appearantly, the public is not convinced that J-Mac will be another G-Dub. (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/25/poll.mixedmessage/index.html)
That's not too surprising.

[Machu505]

Ted Kennedy is the man.

[LastPlaceRocks]

Agree, although it's sad that this basically the end of a dynasty.

[saysmydoctor]

I refuse to believe.

[Machu505]

The fourth generation of Kennedys need to pick up the pace.

[Lueda Alia]

My throat feels so tight now after watching him on stage. Here's to hoping that he'll be around in January.

[WarpSpeedChewy]

Well Obama has support from Wilco, Arcade Fire, Jay-Z, and Conor Oberst. What now McCain?
You can't forget Obama has the M.Ward vote as well. It is essential.

My throat feels so tight now after watching him on stage. Here's to hoping that he'll be around in January.
That was very beautiful. Very inspiring.

[saysmydoctor]

Kennedy is a constant of Congress and a bastion of intelligent discussion and a source of progression on Capitol Hill. Washington will be different without him, regardless of your position.

[Machu505]

You can't forget Obama has the M.Ward vote as well. It is essential.

And Bruce Springsteen.

[saysmydoctor]

And Arcade Fire. I know it's been mentioned.

But still.

Did anybody else hear Michael Jackson earlier? I got so excited, my favorite song.

[loveisdead]

And Dave Mathews. I'm pissed I didn't see any of this, damn cable guy doesn't come until thursday and I'm too busy playing super smash brothers with my roomates to leave.

[Machu505]

And Bob Dylan. I can't wait to hear what Joe Manchin has to say. I can't stand him, but I want to hear what he has to say.

[saysmydoctor]

I just read your signature.

Where is that gay marriage gem? Link it.

[LastPlaceRocks]

If most musicians aren't for the Democratic candidate, then they really have a problem. It should be a given.

[GiggsOho]

So there is a press conference starting in 5 minutes about 3 jackoffs who were detained possibly trying to get into the convention to shoot Obama.

[Trainsaw]

Well Obama has support from Wilco, Arcade Fire, Jay-Z, and Conor Oberst. What now McCain?

The M. Shadows vote will offset all of those

[saysmydoctor]

So there is a press conference starting in 5 minutes about 3 jackoffs who were detained possibly trying to get into the convention to shoot Obama.
And so it begins.

[WarpSpeedChewy]

And Bruce Springsteen.
And of course the all important Death Cab vote which Obama has.

If most musicians aren't for the Democratic candidate, then they really have a problem. It should be a given.
Either that or they are country music stars.

The M. Shadows vote will offset all of those
M.Ward >>>>>>>>>> M.Shadows

[Trainsaw]

M.Ward >>>>>>>>>> M.Shadows

not if we're talking about bats.

you can watch the DNC coverage online here: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/22886841#22886841

[GiggsOho]

And im not going to get it because the feed just died, thanks network i won't rip on here.

[LastPlaceRocks]

Either that or they are country music stars.
That's true - let me rephrase it: If most musicians discussed on this site aren't for the Democratic candidate, then they really have a problem. It should be a given.

[GiggsOho]

On Sunday at 1 in the morning, some guy was arrested outside Denver on a suspicion of DUI. Dude didn't have a known address. Guy was driving on a suspended license, and and a prior arrest. Car was searched, found guns, ammo, and drugs. Two other guys were also arrested, by a bunch of local and federal cops. One guy fled his hotel room when feds tried to get him.

And the local cops can't comment because its a federal case now.

[LastPlaceRocks]

Enjoyed that speech.

[wesgemm08]

"They'll tell them how this time, we listened to our hopes, instead of our fears. How this time, we decided to stop doubting and to start dreaming."

Truly amazing and inspiring speech by Michelle Obama.. That's one of the many lines that really stood out to me.

[dat scene kid]

I thought the speech was just ok. I did like how she kept it casual. She was a very good speaker, however, seemed very confident. I did like the line about treating people with dignity and respect even if you disagree with them. A lot of people (people on this site for one) could learn from that. His daughters cracked me up, also.

Side note: I recommend "Audacity of Hope" for anyone who wants to learn more about Obama's views. It's a well-written and fascinating book.

[splitsecond]

This thread is chock full of stupid, most of it thanks to saysmydoctor.

[Steve Henderson]

Michelle Obama's speech was incredible. Absolutely stunning delivery/woman.

[Steve Henderson]

This thread is chock full of stupid, most of it thanks to saysmydoctor.
Care to elaborate?

[saysmydoctor]

This thread is chock full of stupid, most of it thanks to saysmydoctor.
Because I'm trying to create discussion? Troll in General, kthx.

[Jason Tate]

Thought tonight went really well. I'd really like to see some more focus from the party on why what Bush did was wrong, how McCain plans to continue those "wrongs" and why the Dem ticket will provide a better country in the end.

[saysmydoctor]

Thought tonight went really well. I'd really like to see some more focus from the party on why what Bush did was wrong, how McCain plans to continue those "wrongs" and why the Dem ticket will provide a better country in the end.
Tonight's focus was an informational 'biography' of Obama. Tomorrow, they get into the Dem goals.

[Jason Tate]

Obama talks sports with ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/video/videopage?videoId=3553404&categoryId=2378529).

[Jason Tate]

Tonight's focus was an informational 'biography' of Obama. Tomorrow, they get into the Dem goals.
I know. I just hope they can voice those correctly.

[saysmydoctor]

I know. I just hope they can voice those correctly.
I think tonight was a spectacular introduction. I missed the Republican speaker.

[Machu505]

I just read your signature.

Where is that gay marriage gem? Link it.

Here. (http://absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?p=15553821#post15553 821)

[Steve Henderson]

Thought tonight went really well. I'd really like to see some more focus from the party on why what Bush did was wrong, how McCain plans to continue those "wrongs" and why the Dem ticket will provide a better country in the end.
I agree, but I think tonight was completely necessary. I always go to CNN's Political Ticker to see what the low information voters think of a story, and you can tell right there it was a success. Michelle really won a lot of people over and even inspired some as much as Hillary has.

[Jason Tate]

I agree, but I think tonight was completely necessary. I always go to CNN's Political Ticker to see what the low information voters think of a story, and you can tell right there it was a success. Michelle really won a lot of people over and even inspired some as much as Hillary has.
That's always good news.

[saysmydoctor]

Kathleen Sebelius is tonight's first speaker on "Growing the Economy."

Ted Strickland and Ed Rendell will be doing a "Bush Failed Policies" thing.

New avatar/title because I've never been more inspired before by any man....amazing.

[Matthew]

Cute.

I once compiled papers for Ted Kennedy to wave around at a Capitol Hill hearing.

[Matthew]

Also, Sebelius gets so much hype, but when I saw her give the response to the State of the Union, it was Welcome to Yawn City, Population: Me. Maybe she'll be better tonight.

[saysmydoctor]

I liked her response.

[Matthew]

T.K.O.: Ted Kennedy Ownage.

[loveisdead]

I'm just watching the youtube videos now of the speeches. Michelle was awesome. I hope that changes the minds of the people who dislike her for the proud of her country comment.

[SoggY ThE OnE]

Edit:

Edited for my stupidity
*runs into closet and cries*

[LastPlaceRocks]

Still going until Thursday.

[Machu505]

OMG Dennis Kucinich.

[GiggsOho]

OMG Dennis Kucinich.


could have done without the "gold medal" line.

[Machu505]

could have done without the "gold medal" line.

He's Dennis fucking Kucinich. He'll say what ever the fuck he wants.

[GiggsOho]

He's Dennis fucking Kucinich. He'll say what ever the fuck he wants.

lol aint that the truth.

[saysmydoctor]

He's Dennis fucking Kucinich. He'll say what ever the fuck he wants.
"The House is NOT in order!"

[Machu505]

lol isn't that the truth?

Fixed due to grammatical errors.

[GiggsOho]

aww man, you missed a chance for Stinger1921 to come in and rip me. Ah, well.

[saysmydoctor]

Don't mess with him, he is part of the Christian foundation this nation is built on. You motherfucker.

[Machu505]

Fuck you Joe Manchin.

[saysmydoctor]

Barbara Boxer <3

[saysmydoctor]

Claire McCaskill just punched the Administration in the liver.

[Machu505]

Ed Rendell seems like a cool guy.

[GiggsOho]

ELECTRIC CITY FTW!

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[saysmydoctor]

Ed Rendell is a witty guy. "The only thing green in McCain's energy policy is the billions of dollars oil companies are making."

Owned.

[saysmydoctor]

ELECTRIC CITY FTW!

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I just noticed you are from NW DC. Niceeeeeeeeeee.

[saysmydoctor]

Ahahaha he almost did a Dean Scream like state name drop thing.

[Jason Tate]

Why doesn't Fox cover the DNC?

[saysmydoctor]

Why doesn't Fox cover the DNC?
Because they are not a biased news channel and present said news in a fair and balanced manner. Duh.

[Machu505]

ELECTRIC CITY FTW!

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Scranton gets better and better every day.

[Jason Tate]

Because they are not a biased news channel and present said news in a fair and balanced manner. Duh.
Just checking.

[GiggsOho]

I just noticed you are from NW DC. Niceeeeeeeeeee.

Well I have family from Scranton, so that's why I did that.


Why doesn't Fox cover the DNC?


Because they are having enough problems with the people in Denver:

-S7o95Md4VM&feature=related

[saysmydoctor]

Just checking.
Yeah, they were doing some commentating on Michelle Obama's speech I think.
Because they are having enough problems with the people in Denver:

-S7o95Md4VM&feature=related
:lol:

[saysmydoctor]

"The great city of LA."

What the hell did I visit then?

[Machu505]

This guy right now couldn't give a speech for his life.

[LastPlaceRocks]

Why doesn't Fox cover the DNC?
Because they're preparing hardcore to broadcast from my backyard.

[Jason Tate]

Because they're preparing hardcore to broadcast from my backyard.
They're going to run the RNC? Doesn't that sort of prove their bias once and for all?

[LastPlaceRocks]

They're going to run the RNC? Doesn't that sort of prove their bias once and for all?
Don't actually know if they are going to run the RNC (in fact I doubt it because they don't control the 10 PM EST hour with their affiliates), but it's always fun to discuss News Corp's bias.

[saysmydoctor]

They're going to run the RNC? Doesn't that sort of prove their bias once and for all?

Only if you're intelligent.

[saysmydoctor]

Janet Napolitano. She needs to be in the cabinet.

[GiggsOho]

DNC Drinking Game: http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=cfea4f2e-9b57-40bb-94c0-32f3e7d21320

[WarpSpeedChewy]

I have good feelings about Hilary's speech tonight. Don't screw it up.

[Steve Henderson]

OMG Dennis Kucinich.
I do want to have sex with his wife, I will say.

http://www.foxnews.com/images/284838/0_61_kucinich_elizabeth.jpg

[Machu505]

"That's not a maverick, that's a sidekick."

[GiggsOho]

"That's not a maverick, that's a sidekick."

FOUR MORE MONTHS!

I dig.

[Lueda Alia]

"That's not a maverick, that's a sidekick."
I just pointed that out to my boyfriend. I loved that line. So good.

[JCCC]

Why doesn't Fox cover the DNC?

I just turned it there right now and they were covering it.

[Machu505]

I just turned it there right now and they were covering it.

Coolio.

[GiggsOho]

Most networks outside of C-SPAN and PBS aren't covering anything but the keynote speakers. As a member of the media, I think it's outright embarassing. I think the major networks should be carrying at least the keynote of each night. I'm looking at NBC for example, and I see Jerry Springer and some Britney Spears wanna-be. It's a fucking disgrace.

[captainhampton]

last night O'Reilly did his show from the DNC and Brit Hume and all the others were covering it. They showed Michelle Obama's whole speech. I don't know what tate is talking about.

[open mind]

in a perfect world dennis kucinich would have gotten the nomination.

[LastPlaceRocks]

I thought he meant the Fox Broadcasting Network not Fox News Channel. I'd expect FNC to be there.

[wesgemm08]

Mark Warner 2016


...That was a Kennedy-esqe speech

[Jason Tate]

All the network channels beside Fox were covering - that's what I meant.

http://i36.tinypic.com/28i15kn.gif

[LastPlaceRocks]

Fox only has two hours of primetime programming unlike the rest of networks. The 10 PM hour is given back to their affiliates, so many of them have news programming or syndicated shows at this hour.

[GiggsOho]

Fox only has two hours of primetime programming unlike the rest of networks. The 10 PM hour is given back to their affiliates, so many of them have news programming or syndicated shows at this hour.

In D.C., the local Fox station is pumping in the convention.

[LastPlaceRocks]

It's up to the various affiliates - they're free to do what they want. I wonder if ours will do it for the RNC since it's in the Twin Cities - just have news at this time.

[ambulance]

what is this, another hillary concession speech?

[GiggsOho]

what is this, another hillary concession speech?

OMGOMGOMGOMGOMG SIQ BURN.

[ambulance]

i could have done without the first part of this speech. i think she picked it up a bit now though.

[LastPlaceRocks]

That wasn't a bad speech as she overcame a slow start.

[GiggsOho]

That was fantastic -- exactly what needed to be said. Direct and powerful. Perfect.

[ambulance]

I think the beginning of that speech was a bit unneeded. The strongest was the part in the middle where she actually made the case of why her fans supported Hillary; for her or for the democratic ideals her and Obama share. I really wish she would have made a bigger deal out of that.

[Steve Henderson]

Hopefully these PUMA morons come around.

[ambulance]

I wish these cunts on CNN would shut up about why Hillary was not picked as vice president.

[LastPlaceRocks]

Easy there tiger...

[ambulance]

are. you. fucking. kidding? is anyone watching this lady on cnn?

[Broken Parachute]

Great speech. I just hate how she throws the women's rights crap in there. Yeah, we get it.

[Lueda Alia]

Great speech. I just hate how she throws the women's rights crap in there. Yeah, we get it.
Why is that a bad thing?

[ambulance]

Hopefully these PUMA morons come around.

In case no one saw, what I was just referring to was one of the delegates. She said that her speech tonight was a 'presidential speech' and that Hillary did 'what she needed to do' and that Obama 'should do what he needs to do now' alluding to him stepping down, making Hillary the Presidential nominee. She then went on to say she will still vote for Hillary at the convention, but she WON'T vote for McCain (thank god) but she doesn't know if she will vote at all now in the Presidential election. This will be her only time not voting in her lifetime.

I guess this won't make them come around.

[Broken Parachute]

Why is that a bad thing?We knowwwwwwwwwwww how hard it was for her. We all do. It's not easy for women in anything, especially politics...but it seems like when she needs something powerful to say, she heads right for the women's rights issue.

[open mind]

Great speech. I just hate how she throws the women's rights crap in there. Yeah, we get it.

you might hate it, but feminists love it and attempting to lock up their vote with blatant pandering is just smart politics.

[Lueda Alia]

In case no one saw, what I was just referring to was one of the delegates. She said that her speech tonight was a 'presidential speech' and that Hillary did 'what she needed to do' and that Obama 'should do what he needs to do now' alluding to him stepping down, making Hillary the Presidential nominee. She then went on to say she will still vote for Hillary at the convention, but she WON'T vote for McCain (thank god) but she doesn't know if she will vote at all now in the Presidential election. This will be her only time not voting in her lifetime.

I guess this won't make them come around.
These people are just too ignorant.

[Lueda Alia]

We knowwwwwwwwwwww how hard it was for her. We all do. It's not easy for women in anything, especially politics...but it seems like when she needs something powerful to say, she heads right for the women's rights issue.
I don't mind that at all, considering that women still aren't equal. Women can relate to what she's saying, so that's why she keeps bringing it up. It makes sense.

Besides, that's not half as bad as McCain's use of the "POW" line. Now that one needs to stop being repeated and used as an answer for every question out there.

[boogygirl17]

Its funny that John McCain is running and is from AZ while Janet Napolitano is the govern of AZ and is at the DNC.

[LastPlaceRocks]

In case no one saw, what I was just referring to was one of the delegates. She said that her speech tonight was a 'presidential speech' and that Hillary did 'what she needed to do' and that Obama 'should do what he needs to do now' alluding to him stepping down, making Hillary the Presidential nominee. She then went on to say she will still vote for Hillary at the convention, but she WON'T vote for McCain (thank god) but she doesn't know if she will vote at all now in the Presidential election. This will be her only time not voting in her lifetime.

I guess this won't make them come around.
I'm not a fan of these people either, but let's not kid ourselves. If Clinton was the nominee, there would be tens of thousands of Obama supporters who would do similar things. That's what happens in a close election.

[Broken Parachute]

you might hate it, but feminists love it and attempting to lock up their vote with blatant pandering is just smart politics.Oh I'm not denying that.

I don't mind that at all, considering that women still aren't equal. Women can relate to what she's saying, so that's why she keeps bringing it up. It makes sense.

Besides, that's not half as bad as McCain's use of the "POW" line. Now that one needs to stop being repeated and used as an answer for every question out there.At this point I'm fairly convinced I'm going third party in this election. I'm so sick of trying to decide.

[ambulance]

I don't mind that at all, considering that women still aren't equal. Women can relate to what she's saying, so that's why she keeps bringing it up. It makes sense.

I think the problem with that, though, is that that gives them a much stronger tie to Hillary. It's like women don't think men want them to be equal, and electing a woman is the only way to get equal rights for them. That's how I see it, at least.

[asmolitor]

We knowwwwwwwwwwww how hard it was for her. We all do. It's not easy for women in anything, especially politics...but it seems like when she needs something powerful to say, she heads right for the women's rights issue.

it seems to me like hillary uses the women-empowerment crutch as much as mccain uses the P.O.W. crutch. both are usually needless pandering attempts.

[Lueda Alia]

Oh I'm not denying that.

At this point I'm fairly convinced I'm going third party in this election. I'm so sick of trying to decide.
Obama!

[Lueda Alia]

it seems to me like hillary uses the women-empowerment crutch as much as mccain uses the P.O.W. crutch. both are usually needless pandering attempts.
She doesn't use it nearly as much as McCain does. It doesn't matter if he's asked a question about the economy, he'll still pull out the POW card. I just don't understand how he gets away with it.

[ambulance]

I'm not a fan of these people either, but let's not kid ourselves. If Clinton was the nominee, there would be tens of thousands of Obama supporters who would do similar things. That's what happens in a close election.

See, I don't it would be on the same magnitude though. I don't see Obama supporters flipping sides and wanting to vote for McCain. The people that are voting for Obama are more ardent supporters of democratic ideals, and I don't think Hillary being elected would make them switch sides. Maybe I'm being optimistic because we haven't seen that side of Obama's supporters.

Edit: Electing a woman president is a much bigger deal than electing a black president. I think that's where the difference is IMO.

[Broken Parachute]

Obama!Barr/Root 08
http://www.lpin.org/f/images/barr3.jpg

[asmolitor]

She doesn't use it nearly as much as McCain does. It doesn't matter if he's asked a question about the economy, he'll still pull out the POW card. I just don't understand how he gets away with it.

the same way hillary does. to me, it seems like overcoming adversity (i.e. rising up ranks as a woman in america / surviving a prisoner camp) gives both of them a free pass, since criticism seems to end where similar experiences end.

[Lueda Alia]

Barr/Root 08
http://www.lpin.org/f/images/barr3.jpg
Well, who do you actually agree with more on the issues?

[Lueda Alia]

the same way hillary does. to me, it seems like overcoming adversity (i.e. rising up ranks as a woman in america / surviving a prisoner camp) gives both of them a free pass, since criticism seems to end where similar experiences end.
I really don't think she used it as much during the primary. Not even close.

[ambulance]

Barr/Root 08
http://www.lpin.org/f/images/barr3.jpg

No.

[Broken Parachute]

the same way hillary does. to me, it seems like overcoming adversity (i.e. rising up ranks as a woman in america / surviving a prisoner camp) gives both of them a free pass, since criticism seems to end where similar experiences end.I feel bad for both of them, I really do. We know McCain's story and the heroism he showed in being a tortured POW and living to tell the story. We know Hillary overcame so many harsh prejudices to get where she is now. I get it...but there comes a time where you have to just say what you need to say and not use either of those things as a crutch.

[LastPlaceRocks]

See, I don't it would be on the same magnitude though. I don't see Obama supporters flipping sides and wanting to vote for McCain. The people that are voting for Obama are more ardent supporters of democratic ideals, and I don't think Hillary being elected would make them switch sides. Maybe I'm being optimistic because we haven't seen that side of Obama's supporters.

Edit: Electing a woman president is a much bigger deal than electing a black president. I think that's where the difference is IMO.
I think that's more of the case.

[asmolitor]

I really don't think she used it as much during the primary. Not even close.

fair enough, selective memory perhaps. i haven't noticed much of the blatant POW talk until recently, leno interview included. but then again, i only focused on one side during most of the primary season, which is why the woman/black dichotomy seems much more noticeable.

[open mind]

Barr/Root 08
http://www.lpin.org/f/images/barr3.jpg

one of the guys who pushed hardest for clinton's impeachment?

no thanks.

[Broken Parachute]

Well, who do you actually agree with more on the issues?Abortion: McCain
Cuba: push
Education: Obama
Death Penalty: neither
Gay marriage: push
Global Warming: push (they have similar beliefs, no? I never really found out)
Gun Control: Obama
Immigration: McCain
Iraq: Obama
Taxes: I haven't read too much on it yet so I don't know either of their plans

So it looks like I should be voting for Obama, but whatever. My vote doesn't mean much in New York. That's how it feels anyway.

one of the guys who pushed hardest for clinton's impeachment?

no thanks.

No.Did you actually think I was being serious?

[asmolitor]

I feel bad for both of them, I really do. We know McCain's story and the heroism he showed in being a tortured POW and living to tell the story. We know Hillary overcame so many harsh prejudices to get where she is now. I get it...but there comes a time where you have to just say what you need to say and not use either of those things as a crutch.

agreed in full. i can't empathize with either of their situations, but at the same time, seamlessly interjecting them into platform talking points certainly won't win my support anytime soon.

[open mind]

Did you actually think I was being serious?

there really wasn't any indication that you were joking, so yeah i did.

[Broken Parachute]

there really wasn't any indication that you were joking, so yeah i did.The indication was the fact that I would admit I was voting for him.

I live in GA, people supporting Barr is actually common here, so you never know.Touche.

[ambulance]

Abortion: McCain
Cuba: push
Education: Obama
Death Penalty: neither
Gay marriage: push
Global Warming: push (they have similar beliefs, no? I never really found out)
Gun Control: Obama
Immigration: McCain
Iraq: Obama
Taxes: I haven't read too much on it yet so I don't know either of their plans

So it looks like I should be voting for Obama, but whatever. My vote doesn't mean much in New York. That's how it feels anyway.



Did you actually think I was being serious?

I live in GA, people supporting Barr is actually common here, so you never know.

[WarpSpeedChewy]

Very good speech by Clinton. She did exactly what she needed to do.

In case no one saw, what I was just referring to was one of the delegates. She said that her speech tonight was a 'presidential speech' and that Hillary did 'what she needed to do' and that Obama 'should do what he needs to do now' alluding to him stepping down, making Hillary the Presidential nominee. She then went on to say she will still vote for Hillary at the convention, but she WON'T vote for McCain (thank god) but she doesn't know if she will vote at all now in the Presidential election. This will be her only time not voting in her lifetime.

I guess this won't make them come around.
There are just some that are just too ignorant to come around. They are too small though. I think the media uses a lot of those people to get a story about the divide from the democratic party.


I'm not a fan of these people either, but let's not kid ourselves. If Clinton was the nominee, there would be tens of thousands of Obama supporters who would do similar things. That's what happens in a close election.
Here's the thing; I actually like Hilary Clinton alright, but it's her supporters that drive me absolutely fucking nuts. I don't disagree with you, but I can imagine Obama supporters being a lot more reasonable and not so fucking crazy. Hilary has those people and it's a shame because it's gets in the way for a lot of people of what good she brings.

[samsara]

Bill Richardson is beardcore



fox is a media whore

[saysmydoctor]

The Clintons marginalized themselves. How mature.

[Broken Parachute]

What are the chances Bill Clinton was genuinely happy with Hillary and meant it when he mouthed "I love you, I love you, I love you" to her?

(serious question)

[Lueda Alia]

Abortion: McCain
Cuba: push
Education: Obama
Death Penalty: neither
Gay marriage: push
Global Warming: push (they have similar beliefs, no? I never really found out)
Gun Control: Obama
Immigration: McCain
Iraq: Obama
Taxes: I haven't read too much on it yet so I don't know either of their plans

So it looks like I should be voting for Obama, but whatever. My vote doesn't mean much in New York. That's how it feels anyway.



Did you actually think I was being serious?
Why wouldn't you vote for him if you agree with him on most issues, then?

[LastPlaceRocks]

Here's the thing; I actually like Hilary Clinton alright, but it's her supporters that drive me absolutely fucking nuts. I don't disagree with you, but I can imagine Obama supporters being a lot more reasonable and not so fucking crazy. Hilary has those people and it's a shame because it's gets in the way for a lot of people of what good she brings.
See I agree with you on basically everything, but Obama does have those people as well. Maybe it wouldn't be at the same level that Clinton supporters are taking things, but there would be plenty of Obama supporters who would not want to vote for Hillary based on what she did in the primary.

[saysmydoctor]

I wish Clinton had won her yellow jacket.

http://i27.tinypic.com/28snfbr.jpg

[Nevuk]

I wish these cunts on CNN would shut up about why Hillary was not picked as vice president.
It'd be a bit easier to accept that sexism is dead if people weren't referring to HRC supporters as "cunts".

And Daily Show had a great piece on PUMA.

[Lueda Alia]

See I agree with you on basically everything, but Obama does have those people as well. Maybe it wouldn't be at the same level that Clinton supporters are taking things, but there would be plenty of Obama supporters who would not want to vote for Hillary based on what she did in the primary.
That would be understandable, though. She played a lot dirtier than Obama did.

[open mind]

What are the chances Bill Clinton was genuinely happy with Hillary and meant it when he mouthed "I love you, I love you, I love you" to her?

(serious question)

i'd say he was probably being genuine.
maybe the clintons are dissappointed that hilary didn't get the nomination this go around......but they're both still relatively young (when it comes to something like presidential politics that is) and hilary hasn't hurt her career by taking on the gracious team player act, so they'll be back.

[LastPlaceRocks]

That would be understandable, though. She played a lot dirtier than Obama did.
Not going to argue with that - as long as someone actually acknowledges that Obama supporters would be doing the same thing if the positions were switched, I'm happy.

[saysmydoctor]

God, Chelsea Clinton is hot.

[WarpSpeedChewy]

What are the chances Bill Clinton was genuinely happy with Hillary and meant it when he mouthed "I love you, I love you, I love you" to her?

(serious question)
I actually thought that was a genuine moment. Separate the spectacle and scandle of their political careers and the cynicism from how they are personally with each other, I do think they are good partners with each other. I do see a deep connection between the two.

See I agree with you on basically everything, but Obama does have those people as well. Maybe it wouldn't be at the same level that Clinton supporters are taking things, but there would be plenty of Obama supporters who would not want to vote for Hillary based on what she did in the primary.
Well they might actually have some good reasoning with that since she did a lot of the same things McCain did. It's fortunate I think she generally has the right idea about a lot of things. And for full disclosure, I would be one of those people. Different is I'm not at that level and I'm persuadable if it wasn't for her delusional overtop indulgent supporters.

[WarpSpeedChewy]

God, Chelsea Clinton is hot.
Agreed. I'm sure the crazed Clinton supporters are glad we said it.

[Broken Parachute]

Why wouldn't you vote for him if you agree with him on most issues, then?I never said I wouldn't, haha.

[open mind]

God, Chelsea Clinton is hot.

she does look pretty good these days......makes me wonder if she's had some work done because when she was younger it looked like she hit every branch during her fall down the ugly tree.

[Lueda Alia]

she does look pretty good these days......makes me wonder if she's had some work done because when she was younger it looked like she hit every branch during her fall down the ugly tree.
Hahaha yeah, I've thought the same thing. She looks a lot better now than she did a few years ago. So does her mother, though. Maybe it's their genes.

[Broken Parachute]

Chelsea Clinton was always hideous when she was younger. I don't know how, but she pulled through. She's not bad these days.

http://www.davidstuff.com/opinion/los-chelsea.jpg

[Lueda Alia]

I never said I wouldn't, haha.
Well, I do hope you consider it. Issues are what matters the most.

[saysmydoctor]

Agreed. I'm sure the crazed Clinton supporters are glad we said it.
I'm going to go ahead and say it: would.
she does look pretty good these days......makes me wonder if she's had some work done because when she was younger it looked like she hit every branch during her fall down the ugly tree.
Yeah I remember her looking as haggard as you have explained.

I liked Hillary's speech. But I like the direction she took it in even more. It wasn't Obama kiss assery in my opinion.

[Jason Tate]

God, Chelsea Clinton is hot.
"Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly?"
"Because Janet Reno is her father."

- McCain.

[Lueda Alia]

I'm going to go ahead and say it: would.

Yeah I remember her looking as haggard as you have explained.

I liked Hillary's speech. But I like the direction she took it in even more. It wasn't Obama kiss assery in my opinion.
It shouldn't have been, either. That would make it seem fake and not sincere at all.

[LastPlaceRocks]

Well they might actually have some good reasoning with that since she did a lot of the same things McCain did. It's fortunate I think she generally has the right idea about a lot of things. And for full disclosure, I would be one of those people. Different is I'm not at that level and I'm persuadable if it wasn't for her delusional overtop indulgent supporters.
Again it doesn't matter if Obama supporters would have more rationale or not (this is politics we are talking about), but that they would actually do it if the positions were switched.

And for the record, I would be in the same camp.

[saysmydoctor]

"Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly?"
"Because Janet Reno is her father."

- McCain.
:lol:

http://thehill.com/campaign-2008/bill-clinton-in-denver-again-undercuts-obama-2008-08-26.html
He said: "Suppose for example you're a voter. And you've got candidate X and candidate Y. Candidate X agrees with you on everything, but you don't think that person can deliver on anything. Candidate Y disagrees with you on half the issues, but you believe that on the other half, the candidate will be able to deliver. For whom would you vote?"
Then, perhaps mindful of how his off-the-cuff remarks might be taken, Clinton added after a pause: "This has nothing to do with what's going on now."

[Broken Parachute]

Hahaha yeah, I've thought the same thing. She looks a lot better now than she did a few years ago. So does her mother, though. Maybe it's their genes.Hillary is one of those female anomalies. She started out looking bleh and as she got older she looked better.

[saysmydoctor]

Also, "to my sisterhood of my traveling pantsuits" = nice touch

[WarpSpeedChewy]

I'm going to go ahead and say it: would.
hahaha

"Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly?"
"Because Janet Reno is her father."

- McCain.
:lol:

That is horrible and in poor taste.........but it is a good one.

Again it doesn't matter if Obama supporters would have more rationale or not (this is politics we are talking about), but that they would actually do it if the positions were switched.

And for the record, I would be in the same camp.
Alright put it this way, I think if the position we're switched there would be more people on the obama side willing to switch and not be as ridiculous than there would be on the Clinton side.

Also, "to my sisterhood of my traveling pantsuits" = nice touch
Yeah I liked that touch too. Very clever.

[open mind]

Hahaha yeah, I've thought the same thing. She looks a lot better now than she did a few years ago. So does her mother, though. Maybe it's their genes.

it might be......but i'm still gonna go with hiring expensive stylists and/or visiting a good plastic surgeon over the notion of graceful aging.

[saysmydoctor]

I'd like to see Michelle Obama spearhead action in Darfur. It's a very first lady-esque cause and perfect for her I think.

[ambulance]

It'd be a bit easier to accept that sexism is dead if people weren't referring to HRC supporters as "cunts".

And Daily Show had a great piece on PUMA.

I was referring to the CNN commentators as cunts, not HRC supporters. It'd be even better if people weren't seeing the word 'cunt' as being sexist. Can't men be cunts too? I think so.

[saysmydoctor]

I was referring to the CNN commentators as cunts, not HRC supporters. It'd be even better if people weren't seeing the word 'cunt' as being sexist. Can't men be cunts too? I think so.
Not this linguistic debate again. While I disagree with many concerning the term bitch, the term cunt originated from sex and is extremely offensive sexist term.

[LastPlaceRocks]

Alright put it this way, I think if the position we're switched there would be more people on the obama side willing to switch and not be as ridiculous than there would be on the Clinton side.
I don't know if this would be true. I'd like to hope and think that it would be the case, but at the same time Clinton is a very polarizing politician. Look at some of the comments in this thread tonight. At the very least, CNN would be able to find Obama delegates similar to the Clinton ones they were interviewing tonight.

[GiggsOho]

In case no one saw, what I was just referring to was one of the delegates. She said that her speech tonight was a 'presidential speech' and that Hillary did 'what she needed to do' and that Obama 'should do what he needs to do now' alluding to him stepping down, making Hillary the Presidential nominee. She then went on to say she will still vote for Hillary at the convention, but she WON'T vote for McCain (thank god) but she doesn't know if she will vote at all now in the Presidential election. This will be her only time not voting in her lifetime.

I guess this won't make them come around.


I saw EXACTLY what you were talking about, and you couldn't be further from what that woman meant.


That woman meant that she needed Obama to convince her to vote for him. Not that Obama should step down. That "cunt" as you refer to her (classy and intelligent, btw) also said "Obama has 2 months to convince me to vote for him." Nowhere did she say, suggest, or allude to the notion that Obama should step down, even though she said her delegate vote was going to be cast of Clinton. Please pay attention next time.

Also, on your "cunt" argument, can white people be referred to by the "N-word?" A man cannot be classified as a cunt.

[open mind]

I don't know if this would be true. I'd like to hope and think that it would be the case, but at the same time Clinton is a very polarizing politician. Look at some of the comments in this thread tonight. At the very least, CNN would be able to find Obama delegates similar to the Clinton ones they were interviewing tonight.

i've never liked clinton much because she's always been willing to hop on the censorship bandwagon whenever it suited her.......but i'm pretty sure i'd vote for her (if i was allowed to anyways) over mccain.......which is weird because i used to think mccain was just about the only decent republican out there.

[Broken Parachute]

What's the consensus on Joe Lieberman these days? Liked/hated? Good/bad politician? Sellout or not?

[saysmydoctor]

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/26/18502/0485/461/575179

[saysmydoctor]

What's the consensus on Joe Lieberman these days? Liked/hated? Good/bad politician? Sellout or not?
Unimportant.

[saysmydoctor]

Holy wanting to void Roe v Wade Batman! http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/C/CVN_GOP_PLATFORM?SITE=AP

[ambulance]

I saw EXACTLY what you were talking about, and you couldn't be further from what that woman meant.


That woman meant that she needed Obama to convince her to vote for him. Not that Obama should step down. That "cunt" as you refer to her (classy and intelligent, btw) also said "Obama has 2 months to convince me to vote for him." Nowhere did she say, suggest, or allude to the notion that Obama should step down, even though she said her delegate vote was going to be cast of Clinton. Please pay attention next time.

Also, on your "cunt" argument, can white people be referred to by the "N-word?" A man cannot be classified as a cunt.

again. I WAS REFERRING TO THE CNN COMMENTATORS. Some were guys. Everyone keeps asking ever senator, every person that spoke about Hillary being VP. He's already picked his VP I don't want to continue hearing about Hillary. She's not the nominee, she's not going to be the VP and never will. There is no reason to continue talking about this point. And sure, poor taste of wording by me, but they are acting like what I refer to as cunts, which I do not view as a sexist remark. So my bad if that offends others and I'll refrain from using that in the future.

We are obviously going to disagree on the meaning. I followed the context of what she was saying, and that is how it came across for me. It wasn't until later when the question was asked who she would vote for that the point of Obama needing him to convince her came up. Even then, that makes no sense, because he has all the ideals, and the only reason she doesn't want to vote for him was because 'he isn't ready.' Hellooooo, Clinton hasn't had that much experience either. Neither has many of our Presidents when they were elected. She isn't any more qualified to run the country as he is. They both stand for the same general ideals and there is no reason why she shouldn't vote for Obama come November.

Was she not paying attention in the debates or something? Why does he need to convince her even more than what they did during the primary? What more is there to prove. This woman needs to learn to vote on the issues.

[Jason Tate]

Holy wanting to void Roe v Wade Batman! http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/C/CVN_GOP_PLATFORM?SITE=AP
:hitself:

[saysmydoctor]

:hitself:
Social conservatism doesn't infringe on civil rights, don't say it.

[Lueda Alia]

What's the consensus on Joe Lieberman these days? Liked/hated? Good/bad politician? Sellout or not?
He is what I would call a "dickbag."

[LastPlaceRocks]

i've never liked clinton much because she's always been willing to hop on the censorship bandwagon whenever it suited her.......but i'm pretty sure i'd vote for her (if i was allowed to anyways) over mccain.......which is weird because i used to think mccain was just about the only decent republican out there.
That sounds about right. But then again for every ten people who think like this, you're going to get someone like this:

Even then, that makes no sense, because he has all the ideals, and the only reason she doesn't want to vote for him was because 'he isn't ready.' Hellooooo, Clinton hasn't had that much experience either. Neither has many of our Presidents when they were elected. She isn't any more qualified to run the country as he is. They both stand for the same general ideals and there is no reason why she shouldn't vote for Obama come November.

Was she not paying attention in the debates or something? Why does he need to convince her even more than what they did during the primary? What more is there to prove. This woman needs to learn to vote on the issues.

[open mind]

That sounds about right. But then again for every ten people who think like this, you're going to get someone like this:

but even he isn't saying that he wouldn't vote for her had she gotten the nomination.

[Nevuk]

At this point I'd honestly take Hilary over Obama, sheerly for FISA. But it's not like I'd ever support or vote for either.

[LastPlaceRocks]

No not him, the Clinton supporter he's talking about. For every ten people who would vote for the other candidate, you will get someone like that who will continue to fight for their candidate.

[saysmydoctor]

What did everybody think of my man Deval Patrick? I like this guy a lot. I loved his speech. The one generation portion was amazing. And the community portion as well.

[open mind]

What's the consensus on Joe Lieberman these days? Liked/hated? Good/bad politician? Sellout or not?

he's what you don't do when you lose an election.....he's also a pro-censorship and pro-war douche.

[lauren<3s music]

whoops i was being a bad person and posting in the wrong thread. i liked clinton's speech. i thought it was nice and supportive. sure it was a little trite but it was in the right place

[LastPlaceRocks]

What did everybody think of my man Deval Patrick? I like this guy a lot. I loved his speech. The one generation portion was amazing. And the community portion as well.
I think that he got overshadowed by Warner, but all in all it was a good speech.

[open mind]

At this point I'd honestly take Hilary over Obama, sheerly for FISA. But it's not like I'd ever support or vote for either.

obama's fisa vote was incredibly dissappointing to me to.....but even my jaded heart is still hoping it was a move made to put the moneymen at ease in order to get elected, and once elected obama will betray them, kinda like how jfk went back on his promises to his funders after elected but without the whole getting killed for it thing happening........it's far fetched and probably pure fantasy on my part i know.......but either way obama will most likely be at least a teeny bit better then mccain if elected.

[lauren<3s music]

I think that he got overshadowed by Warner, but all in all it was a good speech.
i missed warners speech. i should be taken out back and beaten, i know. i will watch online

[Nevuk]

obama's fisa vote was incredibly dissappointing to me to.....but even my jaded heart is still hoping it was a move made to put the moneymen at ease in order to get elected, and once elected obama will betray them, kinda like how jfk went back on his promises to his funders after elected but without the whole getting killed for it thing happening........it's far fetched and probably pure fantasy on my part i know.......but either way obama will most likely be at least a teeny bit better then mccain if elected.
I hope that too, and while it seems like its a bit better than McCain, no one can tell as they're both making their respective sprints towards bizarre positions no one within their parties agrees with. I'm reminded of the lyrics in Minor Threat's "In My Eyes" ... "You just change for the same". But I enjoy depressing, so consider me a doomsayer.

[saysmydoctor]

I think that he got overshadowed by Warner, but all in all it was a good speech.
I didn't like Warner's speech personally. I thought it was weak. Wasn't he the keynote speaker too?
i missed warners speech. i should be taken out back and beaten, i know. i will watch online
The fangirl sucks at fangirling.

[LastPlaceRocks]

i missed warners speech. i should be taken out back and beaten, i know. i will watch online
It's like I don't know who you are anymore Lauren.

I didn't like Warner's speech personally. I thought it was weak. Wasn't he the keynote speaker too?
Yessir.

[open mind]

I hope that too, and while it seems like its a bit better than McCain, no one can tell as they're both making their respective sprints towards bizarre positions no one within their parties agrees with. I'm reminded of the lyrics in Minor Threat's "In My Eyes" ... "You just change for the same". But I enjoy depressing, so consider me a doomsayer.


yeah it's depressing but it's the nature of the beast that is our electoral system.....and it's not going to change much until we get some real campaign finance reform that's free of loopholes enacted and some equal time regulations put in place.

[saysmydoctor]

I was pretty sure, well for a keynote...it was pretty weak and not inspiring really.

[GiggsOho]

I was pretty sure, well for a keynote...it was pretty weak and not inspiring really.


I have to agree, I thought it was stale, all the pundits today were crying for the Dems to attack, attack, attack...that wasn't exactly what they were lookin' for.

[saysmydoctor]

I have to agree, I thought it was stale, all the pundits today were crying for the Dems to attack, attack, attack...that wasn't exactly what they were lookin' for.
It was my rehashed speeches from the day. Unlike Obama's, which was fresh and invigorating.

[open mind]

I have to agree, I thought it was stale, all the pundits today were crying for the Dems to attack, attack, attack...that wasn't exactly what they were lookin' for.

eh, fuck the pundits.
they're just looking for some bullshit to talk about incessantly while ignoring the real point that was trying to be made.

[GiggsOho]

eh, fuck the pundits.
they're just looking for some bullshit to talk about incessantly while ignoring the real point that was trying to be made.


Only reason I said that was I kind of agree with them. I'm not asking them to ram it down my throat, and I understand that this is supposed to be about Democrats and what they stand for, but this is a historic election, even beyond the fact of Obama. They need to be hitting on how bad the current administration has been, and in waves. I thought Warner could have helped that, considering he got a slot on the cable news networks. But then again, I talked to a friend about it who works in Va. politics and she said that's not Warner's style. So it was what it was.

[lauren<3s music]

I didn't like Warner's speech personally. I thought it was weak. Wasn't he the keynote speaker too?

The fangirl sucks at fangirling.

i heard it was an "intellectual" speech. and i heard he quoted friedman <333

i suck at a lot of things

It's like I don't know who you are anymore Lauren.


Yessir.

blame it on the sun!! i was out having a nice dinner and was like oh fuck but was too far away from a tv.

[saysmydoctor]

I really really really really like Napolitano.

CSPAN coverage is amazing. The callers are the funniest.

"Caller from New York, you're on the air." "(in a New York accent) Uh, yeah, I think that Clinton is the rightful candidate simply because she is a woman."

[lauren<3s music]

I really really really really like Napolitano.

CSPAN coverage is amazing. The callers are the funniest.

"Caller from New York, you're on the air." "(in a New York accent) Uh, yeah, I think that Clinton is the rightful candidate simply because she is a woman."
did you see the whining clinton blogger on larry king. "i'm a good catholic girl from boston, ma. i don't vote on the first date" one? she was bitching about how the dems were being mean to her 'because she's a clinton supporter' - no they hate her bc she's a dumb bitch not bc her candidate lost

[saysmydoctor]

I can't watch CNN since they included Paul Begala in TV's Best Political Team.

So no. But what a dipshit.

[saysmydoctor]

Kathleen Sebelius is a quiet woman but if you get beyond that, her soft-spoken voice kind of pulls you and forces you to hear her. It's enjoyable.

Dennis Kucinich dropped "neocon" term. It's going down.

[Jason Tate]

If anyone has other things you think I should add to my list of why I won't vote for McCain (http://www.absolutepunk.net/journal.php?do=showentry&e=55441) ... feel free to let me know.

[Nevuk]

If anyone has other things you think I should add to my list of why I won't vote for McCain (http://www.absolutepunk.net/journal.php?do=showentry&e=55441) ... feel free to let me know.
Called his wife a Cunt. Trollop too, I think. (Might be included in having a bad temper).

[Jason Tate]

Called his wife a Cunt. Trollop too, I think. (Might be included in having a bad temper).
Which wife?

[Nevuk]

Which wife?
Let me find a source, fairly sure its the current one.

Yep:
http://www.drudge.com/archive/106692/author-mccain-called-wife-****-trollop

Full quote
"At one point, Cindy playfully twirled McCain's hair and said, 'You're getting a little thin up there,'" Schechter writes. "McCain's face reddened, and he responded, 'At least I don't plaster on the makeup like a trollop, you cunt.' McCain's excuse was that it had been a long day. If elected president of the United States, McCain would have many long days."

He has several others, and that was just the first source to pop up.

[Jason Tate]

Let me find a source, fairly sure its the current one.

Yep:
http://www.drudge.com/archive/106692/author-mccain-called-wife-****-trollop

Full quote


He has several others, and that was just the first source to pop up.

Damn. Great guy.

[open mind]

Only reason I said that was I kind of agree with them. I'm not asking them to ram it down my throat, and I understand that this is supposed to be about Democrats and what they stand for, but this is a historic election, even beyond the fact of Obama. They need to be hitting on how bad the current administration has been, and in waves. I thought Warner could have helped that, considering he got a slot on the cable news networks. But then again, I talked to a friend about it who works in Va. politics and she said that's not Warner's style. So it was what it was.

i think everyone (even the uninformed) realize how bad the last 8 years has been....which is reflected in the bush administrations low approval ratings.
if the dems are going to repeatedly harp on anything it should be in explaining how mccain offers the same thing as bush instead of simply stating that's what he's offering.

[Kram41]

Alright put it this way, I think if the position were switched there would be more people on the obama side willing to switch and not be as ridiculous than there would be on the Clinton side.



I think it probably would have been about the same. Lots of Obama supporters I know hate Hillary.

[Steve Henderson]

If anyone has other things you think I should add to my list of why I won't vote for McCain (http://www.absolutepunk.net/journal.php?do=showentry&e=55441) ... feel free to let me know.
1) Consistently whores out his POW story - most recently when asked (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/08/on-leno-mccain.html) about his "houses" gaffe by Leno.
2) Potential to reinstate the draft (http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/20/mccain-support-draft/).

[Jason Tate]

1) Consistently whores out his POW story - most recently when asked (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/08/on-leno-mccain.html) about his "houses" gaffe by Leno.
2) Potential to reinstate the draft (http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/20/mccain-support-draft/).
Why does he bring that POW thing up so many times?

I like this op-ed on McCain's POW story ... from someone there with him:

I furthermore believe that having been a POW is no special qualification for being President of the United States. The two jobs are not the same, and POW experience is not, in my opinion, something I would look for in a presidential candidate.

http://www.military.com/opinion/0,15202,164859_1,00.html

[Steve Henderson]

Why does he bring that POW thing up so many times?

I like this op-ed on McCain's POW story ... from someone there with him:

I furthermore believe that having been a POW is no special qualification for being President of the United States. The two jobs are not the same, and POW experience is not, in my opinion, something I would look for in a presidential candidate.

http://www.military.com/opinion/0,15202,164859_1,00.html
Because no one wants to ask about it...it kills whatever line of questioning he is on. It is his trump card and he is using it up fast. It is just as low as if Obama pulled out the race card to deflect questions on Ayers or the like.

[Jason Tate]

Because no one wants to ask about it...it kills whatever line of questioning he is on. It is his trump card and he is using it up fast. It is just as low as if Obama pulled out the race card to deflect questions on Ayers or the like.
If he ever pulled (pulls?) the race card ... pundits would jump down his throat so fast it's not even funny. His race is the "anti-card" at the moment because if he EVER brings it up ... he'll probably be eaten alive.

[Steve Henderson]

If he ever pulled (pulls?) the race card ... pundits would jump down his throat so fast it's not even funny. His race is the "anti-card" at the moment because if he EVER brings it up ... he'll probably be eaten alive.
Exactly...which is why someone needs to call out McCain on his abuse of this one to his face.

[dai the flu]

His race is the "anti-card" at the moment because if he EVER brings it up ... he'll probably be eaten alive.
he's already brought it up.
not that i'm disagreeing with anything being said here in this thread, but i just thought i'd point that out.

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[Lueda Alia]

he's already brought it up.
not that i'm disagreeing with anything being said here in this thread, but i just thought i'd point that out.

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That sounds more like a joke than anything.