"This Song Will Self Destruct" Was My Favorite Song

[Jason Tate]

According to Seth on the Over It (http://www.overitonline.com) message board these will be the songs on their new album:

Intro (45 seconds)
Sirens On The 101
Waiting
We Are The Ordinary
Castle
Chef Yan
Ignore The Noise
Never Get Enough
+ a few more

songs not on silverstrand:
City Lights
Any Day
Whitewater
How Stoked Are We
This Song Will Self Destruct
+ a few more

[X__inhope]

ive only heard like half of the songs and only 4 that are on the album, but they sound soooooo good. especially siren 101 or sirens on the 101 or whatever the name will end up being haha

[track1side2]

so then can someone please send me the bootleg version now so i can hear the b-sides?

[Jason Tate]

So annoying that 'bootleg' version (line mixes of songs not even on the album) is even out there; it's weird because it's not what the songs will end up sounding like, and it's not how the band wishes for them to to be heard ... it really upsets me that someone would release someone's unfinished art before it's completed. What would the world have done if 1/2 of the Mona Lisa was released 4 years before Di Vinci wanted it to be seen. There needs to be a crack down on this sorta shit ...

[cal1082]

What's the Over It song with these lyrics. "You can play all your toughest cards but you still won't see who we are......" it's a demo song from awhile back I think?

[ActorInThisPlay]

city lights is a good song...sorry to hear it won't be on the final CD though. Oh well i still have it from that Smarpunk mix I bought a while ago.

[maledixtion]

I have all of the Silverstrand album and non-album tracks, but they lack titles, so I have no idea which ones are what. Track 13 (Chris March's fav) and Track 9 are my personal favorites.

[maledixtion]

so then can someone please send me the bootleg version now so i can hear the b-sides?
Maybe, after the CD hits shelves, I'll start sharing the tracks that got cut. But that is a long way off, and I don't want to leak anything that might make it to the record.

[track1side2]

So annoying that 'bootleg' version (line mixes of songs not even on the album) is even out there; it's weird because it's not what the songs will end up sounding like, and it's not how the band wishes for them to to be heard ... it really upsets me that someone would release someone's unfinished art before it's completed. What would the world have done if 1/2 of the Mona Lisa was released 4 years before Di Vinci wanted it to be seen. There needs to be a crack down on this sorta shit ...
this site is the industry's bitch. it's not like i'm not going to buy the record. i got the blood brothers early, and i bought it. my friends got say anything, and bought it. another friend got midtown, and then didn't buy it, but that was because that record is garbage. i understand "oh the artist's work and blahblahblah" but they should be glad they're heard.

and as far as your da vinci analogy? seriously. come on. you could have gone for a better painting than that. have you seen the mona lisa? it's on a fucking 1.5 foot by 1 foot board. biggest let down of all time when i saw that one.

[X__inhope]

i think jasons point is, the band works unbelievably hard on their record. they want you to hear it at its best. people are getting pre production shit and line mixes, which never sound good, and its giving them the wrong ideas. so so many people are getting these shitty versions and thinking "oh this blows im not buying this." so really.. it makes sense.

[robdobi]

dear bands,

don't hand your demos to dudes you can't trust.

[Jason Tate]

this site is the industry's bitch. it's not like i'm not going to buy the record. i got the blood brothers early, and i bought it. my friends got say anything, and bought it. another friend got midtown, and then didn't buy it, but that was because that record is garbage. i understand "oh the artist's work and blahblahblah" but they should be glad they're heard.

and as far as your da vinci analogy? seriously. come on. you could have gone for a better painting than that. have you seen the mona lisa? it's on a fucking 1.5 foot by 1 foot board. biggest let down of all time when i saw that one.
Heh, you obviously don't understand the significance (http://www.monalisamania.com/) of that painting then. And don't call us "the industry's bitch" when we're talking about a band on a label that has little to no money .. that's just stupid. I didn't say when the actual CD is leaked a week or 2 early, I am talking about when the UNFINISHED version of a CD is released 6 months early. I think the interview with J.E.W did the best job of explaining a band's perspective on what happens when their album (unfinished) hits the 'net'.

[Frank Giaramita]

this site is the industry's bitch. it's not like i'm not going to buy the record. i got the blood brothers early, and i bought it. my friends got say anything, and bought it. another friend got midtown, and then didn't buy it, but that was because that record is garbage. i understand "oh the artist's work and blahblahblah" but they should be glad they're heard.

and as far as your da vinci analogy? seriously. come on. you could have gone for a better painting than that. have you seen the mona lisa? it's on a fucking 1.5 foot by 1 foot board. biggest let down of all time when i saw that one.

Oh, so you're a promoter now? You know what's BEST FOR THE BAND and what will benefit them? When you're paying $50,000 for a record to be recorded and a super low bitrate/unmastered one is released SIX FUCKING MONTHS EARLY it's not GOOD FOR THE BAND. So much work goes into a record, and perfecting it, mastering, mixing, cleaning it up etc. All of that stuff costs money and time. When a lower version, shittier (for lack of terms) version of the CD is released to the public a half a year early, and people have a half a year to judge and sit on it, before the GOOD/HARDWORKED ON version comes out. It's a slap in the band's, labels, producer's, etc. face. It's downright wrong. (this is my opinion, if you don't like it too bad).

[X__inhope]

Oh, so you're a promoter? You know what's BEST FOR THE BAND and what will benefit them? When you're paying $50,000 for a record to be recorded and a super low bitrate/unmastered one is released SIX FUCKING MONTHS EARLY it's not GOOD FOR THE BAND. So much work goes into a record, and perfecting it, mastering, mixing, cleaning it up etc. All of that stuff costs money and time. When a lower version, shittier (for lack of terms) version of the CD is released to the public a half a year early, and people have a half a year to judge and sit on it, before the GOOD/HARDWORKED ON version comes out. It's a slap in the band's, labels, producer's, etc. face. It's downright wrong. (this is my opinion, if you don't like it too bad).

what he said.

[X__inhope]

dear bands,

don't hand your demos to dudes you can't trust.
very true

[Scott Weber]

Heh, you obviously don't understand the significance (http://www.monalisamania.com/) of that painting then. And don't call us "the industry's bitch" when we're talking about a band on a label that has little to no money .. that's just stupid. I didn't say when the actual CD is leaked a week or 2 early, I am talking about when the UNFINISHED version of a CD is released 6 months early. I think the interview with J.E.W did the best job of explaining a band's perspective on what happens when their album (unfinished) hits the 'net'.

haha that's my interview! Totally agree. This pisses me off every time I see something like this happen. I saw it with acceptance, I talked to the band, I know they were dissapointed - this isn't the finished product. The internet is just outa control man. When i talked to Jim (J.E.W.) he said that it you spend months making every song perfect. All that is thrown away when the casual fan downloads a band like Over It, thinks this is the final cut of the album (hasn't been mixed or mastered), thinks it sucks, and then tosses it to the side and tells all their friends that Over It stinks because the production is bad. That's BULLSHIT. I get so angry at the operators of channels in IRC for leaking stuff like this and hosting it in their channels. I used to think it was all about the music, free for anyone...not anymore. I've seen the significance of the impact on a band, and if it's unmastered, it's negative. And before you all go tell me that you've had it for months, and that the leak wasn't a big deal, tons of people had it - I don't care. It's not the point. People still have it and are still making and SPREADING opinions on a band based upon the unfinished product they have on their computer.

[bleedingemo]

haha that's my interview! Totally agree. This pisses me off every time I see something like this happen. I saw it with acceptance, I talked to the band, I know they were dissapointed - this isn't the finished product. The internet is just outa control man. When i talked to Jim (J.E.W.) he said that it you spend months making every song perfect. All that is thrown away when the casual fan downloads a band like Over It, thinks this is the final cut of the album (hasn't been mixed or mastered), thinks it sucks, and then tosses it to the side and tells all their friends that Over It stinks because the production is bad. That's BULLSHIT. I get so angry at the operators of channels in IRC for leaking stuff like this and hosting it in their channels. I used to think it was all about the music, free for anyone...not anymore. I've seen the significance of the impact on a band, and if it's unmastered, it's negative. And before you all go tell me that you've had it for months, and that the leak wasn't a big deal, tons of people had it - I don't care. It's not the point. People still have it and are still making and SPREADING opinions on a band based upon the unfinished product they have on their computer.

anyone who has the Over It album on IRC knows that it's unfinished

'nuff said.

[robdobi]

i just think its kinda funny that production in punk rock is such a huge concern.

some of my favorite songs sound like they were recorded in a toilet.

[X__inhope]

i just think its kinda funny that production in punk rock is such a huge concern.

some of my favorite songs sound like they were recorded in a toilet.
i understand what your saying but the stuff that was released is less than that quality. it is untouched. noen of the levels were corrected or anything. its just a straight line mix. even if the band was having it mixed and mastered for really cheap or by a shitty producer, it would still be much much better than then line mix.

[corporeal]

stuff leaks early = too bad for the band; stuff leaks early = too bad for the label
stuff leaks early = great for the fans. even if it's not mixed, or mastered, or it's still being demo'ed, what's it matter? we get stuff that won't be going on the album, we get stuff that's in its purest form, we get to hear the changes from one song to the next when the retail finally comes out...
if you're a lackey of a band, or if you're in a recording band, fine - you have your opinion. and i have mine. here's the thing, though: if people don't like it now, they probably won't like it later. stop pushing crappy material.

and hey, if they can't take a joke, fuck 'em

[maledixtion]

I don't see why everyone is so immature about this. It's not like these tracks are never going to be available. Go check out some older bands in the meantime instead of wasting hours on the computer searching for something you can get at Best Buy in a few months. Go look at some Cure, Depeche Mode, Foo Fighters, or whatever. Or go discover some new, small bands that nobody knows about if all your after is bragging rights. Instead of bragging about having unreleased songs, brag about a band you found before anyone else. I was given this album, but what do I get out of leaking it? Nothing. Keep this stuff to yourself. I'm sorry I'm not good with words, this didn't come out how I wanted, but oh well.

[X__inhope]

i dont think you understand what a line mix is.. haha. its taken straight from the board, bassicaly. everything all evened out. nothings touched. so in some/alot of cases, it sounds worse then if they were to just play if live or record it live.

if someone downloads a cd online and its one of these type of releases, and they cant hear the vocals or the drums sound like shit because they are too high or anything like that, they are gonna push it aside and not buy the album.

you may see it differently, but go on irc and idle in the bigger channels and look at what the people say. alot of people are as big on quality as they are on the music itself. yea, alot of us are happy to be able to hear it early and get the new stuff, but some people arent so greatful about it. and the fact of the matter is, shit like this really is affecting sales. youd be surprised to see that alot of the "big" bands right now, even bands on majors/mid-majors, are struggling on the road trying to sell cds and other merch because their labels have emptied their pockets to get their money back from production of the record.

now i dont know you or if your in a band or what but if you arent, think about it. try puting yourself in their shoes.

[X__inhope]

I don't see why everyone is so immature about this. It's not like these tracks are never going to be available. Go check out some older bands in the meantime instead of wasting hours on the computer searching for something you can get at Best Buy in a few months. Go look at some Cure, Depeche Mode, Foo Fighters, or whatever. Or go discover some new, small bands that nobody knows about if all your after is bragging rights. Instead of bragging about having unreleased songs, brag about a band you found before anyone else. I was given this album, but what do I get out of leaking it? Nothing. Keep this stuff to yourself. I'm sorry I'm not good with words, this didn't come out how I wanted, but oh well.
nah dude. well said

[hellosir]

ive had the 20 song unmastered whatever it is for a few weeks now...
city lights was probably my favorite song...i hope this band gets a lot bigger...
they were probably my favorite band ive ever been on tour with

[Chris March]

how stoked are we was probably one of the better songs ive heard in a long time! though it does sound like another 'things you never knew existed'.

[cal1082]

What's the Over It song with these lyrics. "You can play all your toughest cards but you still won't see who we are......" it's a demo song from awhile back I think?

anyone, anyone?

[Sloaner]

I agree with the people saying that it sucks for the bands that the unfinished material gets leaked. But the reason so many people search for some of this stuff is cause you tell everyone you have it and are listening to it, months before the release. If you don't think people should get to hear these versions of songs, don't bother telling us you have them.

"The new Acceptance and Over it albums are going to be so great, I'm listening to the rough versions of them right now" Without stuff like that being posted as news and in the recommendations people wouldn't try nearly as hard to get it.

[cal1082]

Also be realistic. It all starts with the label and the bands responsibiliity to not let demos get out. I'm sure it's difficult to do, but that's where responsibliity starts. Also if you push back an albums release 4 or 5 months than yes there's a good possibility that it'll leak out. Labels shoudl realize this as well.

[X__inhope]

Also be realistic. It all starts with the label and the bands responsibiliity to not let demos get out. I'm sure it's difficult to do, but that's where responsibliity starts. Also if you push back an albums release 4 or 5 months than yes there's a good possibility that it'll leak out. Labels shoudl realize this as well.
good point. i think the bands get so excited and they want people to hear it and sometimes it gets into the wrong hands. sucks.

[LTJ182]

they are playing Nov 4th in NYC with Unwritten Law...hmmmmm wonder how that got hooked up...lava records??

[intoyourarms]

it may be unmastered or whatever. im def. buying the cd now.

[corporeal]

you may see it differently, but go on irc and idle in the bigger channels and look at what the people say. alot of people are as big on quality as they are on the music itself. yea, alot of us are happy to be able to hear it early and get the new stuff, but some people arent so greatful about it. and the fact of the matter is, shit like this really is affecting sales. youd be surprised to see that alot of the "big" bands right now, even bands on majors/mid-majors, are struggling on the road trying to sell cds and other merch because their labels have emptied their pockets to get their money back from production of the record.

people on irc are scum with bad taste in music. at least, they are in the "bigger" channels. people who aren't grateful won't end up buying the cd anyway. and the reason all these bands are struggling? oversaturated market.

[X__inhope]

people on irc are scum with bad taste in music. at least, they are in the "bigger" channels. people who aren't grateful won't end up buying the cd anyway. and the reason all these bands are struggling? oversaturated market.
oversaturated market? i partially agree with you. but dude. its not just that.

i was out on tour with a pretty big band a few weeks ago and right before we left, the label had taken almost two thousand dollars out of the bands savings account to get money back from their album. so bassicaly, we were on our own on the road. merch sales said whether or not we ate or stayed in a hotel. you have no idea how many kids came up to the merch table and would say they arent buying the cd because they already have it downloaded. at least 10-15 kids a night. the $100-150 a night that the band doesnt get because the kids got it months ahead of time, and by time it was out, it was old news.

[track1side2]

Oh, so you're a promoter now? You know what's BEST FOR THE BAND and what will benefit them? When you're paying $50,000 for a record to be recorded and a super low bitrate/unmastered one is released SIX FUCKING MONTHS EARLY it's not GOOD FOR THE BAND. So much work goes into a record, and perfecting it, mastering, mixing, cleaning it up etc. All of that stuff costs money and time. When a lower version, shittier (for lack of terms) version of the CD is released to the public a half a year early, and people have a half a year to judge and sit on it, before the GOOD/HARDWORKED ON version comes out. It's a slap in the band's, labels, producer's, etc. face. It's downright wrong. (this is my opinion, if you don't like it too bad).

i love you man. you guys take everything i say so seriously. christ.

[track1side2]

i'd also like to comment on the fact that jason tate actually looked up a site on "mona lisa mania" in order to respond to my comment. i could find lucky boys confusion fan site, but that doesn't mean they aren't shitty.