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Blake Solomon
08/27/08, 04:47 PM
Anberlin – New Surrender
Record Label: Universal Republic Records
Release Date: September 30, 2008
Forgive me if I seem a bit zany during this review. There has been great upheaval in La Vida de Blake lately. Things started out great: I finally found a girl that liked me enough to let me do that cute thing where you hold hands by interlocking fingers. I heard music everywhere, and that wasn’t only because Pierce Brosnan hit his high note in “SOS.” Aside from this happy fact – we’re soulmates, I can feel it – I was forced to deal with some devastating news: Anberlin has signed to a major label. Put on your black graphic tee and mourn. It’s time to un-bookmark their Myspace and Twitter pages. Well, at least until now there was the slim chance New Surrender would be terrible. Hell, I’d dump Jasmine in a heartbeat if it would make this album contain terrible ballads and safe, music-executive approved radio rock. They’d be back on an indie and they’d be all mine. Of course it’s just my luck that New Surrender rocks with the force of Blueprints and smarts of Never Take Friendship Personal. And worse still, Jasmine found out my father doesn’t own and never has owned a private island near Bermuda. If you need me, just listen for the sobs at Anberlin’s next packed arena concert.
It didn’t take the 10 billion listens I’ve given New Surrender to tell me this, but opening barnburners “The Resistance” and “Breaking” hit with such a precision that radio may actually collapse upon itself. Guitarists Joseph Milligan and new addition Christian McAlhaney pummel and delight with intricate fingerplay. Don’t snap my neck, but this is their record. Case in point, the last 20 seconds of “The Resistance” will spin you around with lightning fast shredding. As my colleague Rich Duncan would say, “Don’t piss your bed!”
Even though the faster songs satisfy the most, we’ve come to expect a certain level of care with the band’s thoughtfully paced rockers. “Retrace” is the first of these mid-tempo jams to bounce us on its knee with Deon Rexroat’s bass and Stephen Christian’s smooth delivery. Christian commands an orchestrated bridge with the lyrics, “Photographs, they haunt me lately / Chasing shadows as the evening takes me / I’m still searching but the picture’s fading.” Perfect ammo for an away message. “Breathe” also slow dances the listener with NTFP-era acoustic guitars and hugely contrasting bass drum kicks. Tinkling percussion, a downtrodden guitar solo and choral “Whoa Oh’s” – my kryptonite when it comes to tearing up - bring the song home in such a way that you’ll never get ballad-itis. Most upbeat rock bands can hide their lack of dynamism behind solos and speed. This song stands out in the open and allows the world to dissect its flaws. Good luck finding any.
OK, yeah, “Feel Good Drag”: not a whole lot has changed (see ya, screaming!), and in my opinion, this isn’t even the best single choice on New Surrender. However, despite its hard-hitting nature, there is just enough mystery to this song. I hardly expect a flop.
Perhaps “Younglife” (and happy-go-lucky “Haight St.” to an extent) is due to a fluke phase when the band wore turtlenecks and played broomball with their church youth group. The song sits stagnant despite fuzzily-produced drums and catchy “la la la’s.” Anberlin pick themselves back up, however, with “Soft Skeletons,” which happens to be one of the darkest songs of their career. Bending guitar segues, eerie electronic noises and Christian laying everything out on the line for lyrics like, “There’s life in your veins / These needles are chains to hold you down / How can you expect to win this war / If you’re too afraid to fight?” serve to wrap the listener in a hazy fog. If you’re not careful, this song will overpower you. Keep your composure, for although we have but one song left, it’s a monumental doozy.
As has been the norm for Anberlin, "Misearbile Visu (Ex Malo Bonum)" elongates their trusty formula and seriously turns up the emotion. The song’s apocalyptic subject matter (“The sun will turn dark very soon / Your days are numbered / When there’s blood on the moon”) only makes it more intense. Try to stay stoic once the track fully unleashes its onslaught of guitar solos and Vheissu-sized percussion. While “Misearbile…” may, at its core, be just another lengthy buildup number we’ve heard from the band before, it’s still wonderfully executed - especially lyrically - with drama and grace.
On second thought, a band like Anberlin winding up on the radio may actually save the medium. (Although, if “Misearbile Visu (Ex Malo Bonum)” winds up true, there won’t be much left to salvage.) New Surrender showcases a band still brimming with ideas, a band primed to finally see the audience it has so long deserved. Worry not, there’s plenty of Anberlin to go around.
Recommended If You Like: Search The City, The Classic Crime, the word "hella", Ivoryline, the word "stoked"
www.absolutepunk.net/anberlin
handlikesecret
08/27/08, 04:50 PM
i still don't know how i feel about this album.
great review though.
Rich Duncan
08/27/08, 04:55 PM
Awesome review! Hahah I see you did decide to throw that qoute in there afterall
Theow593
08/27/08, 04:55 PM
79?
79?????
END YOURSELF, BLAKE.
You've lost all credibility.
Chris Fallon
08/27/08, 05:02 PM
Solid review, Blakester. 79% is fitting - it's not a bad disc by any means, but it's a bit of a step down from their past two releases.
Chris Fallon
08/27/08, 05:03 PM
79?
79?????
END YOURSELF, BLAKE.
You've lost all credibility.
He gave this only one percent higher than The Maine (http://absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=420641). Also, he gave The Maine a higher score in creativity.... Yeah.
Anberlin is Blake's favorite band, so I think his opinion might be a little harsher than some - but it's also more honest.
sweetfootaction
08/27/08, 05:05 PM
Anberlin is Blake's favorite band, so I think his opinion might be a little harsher than some - but it's also more honest.I deleted my post because I had a number wrong, but he still did give The Maine a higher score in creativity, sadly.
unnameworthy
08/27/08, 05:12 PM
Dying of anticipation over here. How would you rate this album against Cities?
Shakriel
08/27/08, 05:22 PM
"Retrace" is my favourite song so far, wonderful album.
Blake Solomon
08/27/08, 05:45 PM
I deleted my post because I had a number wrong, but he still did give The Maine a higher score in creativity, sadly.
Calling me out for the score on another review is irrelevant, but I would generally agree that Anberlin is more creative than the Maine. I spend the smallest of time figuring out those number scores. If you think the review was crap, let's talk about that.
But, in terms of Anberlin and general rock music, this doesn't turn over any new stones either.
IamTheINDUSTRY
08/27/08, 06:22 PM
Calling me out for the score on another review is irrelevant, but I would generally agree that Anberlin is more creative than the Maine. I spend the smallest of time figuring out those number scores. If you think the review was crap, let's talk about that.
But, in terms of Anberlin and general rock music, this doesn't turn over any new stones either.
what's the album in your avatar?
princesschad
08/27/08, 06:27 PM
This album is very good, but not as epic as Cities.
Soft Skeletons is one of their best songs in my opinion though.
hockeyguitar99
08/27/08, 06:40 PM
I'm waiting till the disc hits stores to hear it, but I love "Feel Good Drag". This has potential to be one of my top 5 this year.
Klatzke
08/27/08, 07:06 PM
I'm pretty on the fence about this album.. " The Resistance" is really tight, but a lot of the other tracks haven't clicked with me.
Blake Solomon
08/27/08, 07:08 PM
what's the album in your avatar?
Johnny Foreigner - Waited Up 'Til It Was Light
jaredCoO
08/27/08, 07:25 PM
Second listen through, it sounds pretty good, but the first time I heard it it was a complete letdown, since I was measuring it up to Cities. But as an album on it's own, it's a worthy album.
lukenelson
08/27/08, 07:31 PM
Wasn't impressed by this album at first, but it really grew on me.
and yes, soft skeletons is one of their best songs yet.
thehighwaysend
08/27/08, 07:41 PM
Honestly, the screaming in Feel Good Drag really made the song for me. The song is passable without it, but it doesn't feel right with him just singing into the solo. It really doesn't carry the emotion.
Theow593
08/27/08, 07:55 PM
Sorry, but this is a barely publishable review. You can do better, Blake.
MixedwithBlood
08/27/08, 08:11 PM
Sorry, but this is a barely publishable review. You can do better, Blake.
i thought delving into his personal life to start a review was sort of tacky but i wont talk shit about it. id pay to see a better review from you
MyWorldEntire
08/27/08, 08:12 PM
Fantastic Review Blake! A little lower than I was expecting, but nonetheless this gets me even more excited to hear the album in its entirety.
irishpunk14
08/27/08, 08:22 PM
i had a feeling this album wasn't gonna live up to the hype. i'm listened to it and it doesn't grab me like any of their other albums did.
Young Machetes
08/27/08, 08:50 PM
See I don't know..... I like almost all of your reviews, but I'm not sure if I like this one.
And I understand you're such a huge Anberlin fan that you've got to be critical of it, but I think this deserves a bit higher of a score than what it received. This album is much more of a grower than Cities.
Sure, it's not quite as dark and epic as Cities was, but considering this is their first jump into the mainstream, I'd say it's quite the damn success. Though in the end I guess we'll see just how big they get, but I'd bet they'll blow up in the same vein as The Starting Line did.
Here It Goes
08/27/08, 08:54 PM
This is album is, so far, a slight letdown.
To me, as a casual fan, Anberlin has gotten stagnant. They really on the same old songwriting, and while its far from bad, quite good actually, its not fantastic. There's nothing yet on this album that hits me like "Paperthin Hymn", "Fin" or "The Unwinding Cable Car" did.
Still a great band, but their potential to be an amazing band is fading fast, I think.
Klatzke
08/27/08, 08:56 PM
This is album is, so far, a slight letdown.
To me, as a casual fan, Anberlin has gotten stagnant. They really on the same old songwriting, and while its far from bad, quite good actually, its not fantastic. There's nothing yet on this album that hits me like "Paperthin Hymn", "Fin" or "The Unwinding Cable Car" did.
Still a great band, but their potential to be an amazing band is fading fast, I think.
Thats what i think. I got Cities first, and by the time i got NTFP i think i was already burnt out on their songwriting.
Here It Goes
08/27/08, 09:16 PM
Thats what i think. I got Cities first, and by the time i got NTFP i think i was already burnt out on their songwriting.
Yeah, overall this album sounds more solid than some of their others I think, but its starting to get kinda same-old, same-old with Anberlin I think.
Glad you understood what I was saying, I typed "really" instead of "rely". Hate when I do that.
Blake Solomon
08/27/08, 09:39 PM
See I don't know..... I like almost all of your reviews, but I'm not sure if I like this one.
And I understand you're such a huge Anberlin fan that you've got to be critical of it, but I think this deserves a bit higher of a score than what it received. This album is much more of a grower than Cities.
Sure, it's not quite as dark and epic as Cities was, but considering this is their first jump into the mainstream, I'd say it's quite the damn success. Though in the end I guess we'll see just how big they get, but I'd bet they'll blow up in the same vein as The Starting Line did.
Did you mean to say you usually "like almost all of my scores?" Or was there actually a problem with how the review was written? There are a few forgettable songs on this album, two of which I mention and one of which I don't ("Burn Out Brighter (Northern Lights)"). An album simply can't score in the top 20th percentile with 3 less than great tracks. The rest are extremely strong, extremely catchy and extremely Anberlin, so the album still received a very high score.
Blake Solomon
08/27/08, 09:42 PM
Dying of anticipation over here. How would you rate this album against Cities?
I would say it is not as good, but I hesitate to call this album a let down. I've been constantly playing it and I think it will be a more than worthy album to call "newest" until they release another.
Sorry, but this is a barely publishable review. You can do better, Blake.
I'm all for improvement. Hit me with some edits or critiques.
i thought delving into his personal life to start a review was sort of tacky but i wont talk shit about it. id pay to see a better review from you
Yeah, Jasmine would be pissed if she knew I was talking about our breakup on here. And my dad would be super pissed if he found out I told everyone he doesn't own a private island. Luckily he's off flying around in his rocket suit so he won't see this for a while.
Sic Transit Zeb
08/27/08, 10:10 PM
I thought you had another great review Blake.
I agree with much of what you said, but I still like cities the most.
Sic Transit Zeb
08/27/08, 10:14 PM
Did you mean to say you usually "like almost all of my scores?" Or was there actually a problem with how the review was written? There are a few forgettable songs on this album, two of which I mention and one of which I don't ("Burn Out Brighter (Northern Lights)"). An album simply can't score in the top 20th percentile with 3 less than great tracks. The rest are extremely strong, extremely catchy and extremely Anberlin, so the album still received a very high score.
Yeah, thep roblem is people hold scores in different 'height's. To some, an 80 isn't that great while others might view and 80% score to be pretty damn good, and a 90 exceptional. That's gotta make reviewing tough
FaceLixeMurder
08/27/08, 10:21 PM
Reading this review, keeps me wanting this, but not as much as before...sadly. Still I know Anberlin will not disappoint me.
I have to say blake your probably my favorite reviewer on this site. I picked up "The Maine" cd based on your review and they always seem to make me laugh. I especially like the away comment because there's so much truth to the statement. Keep up the good work.
cereal4life
08/27/08, 11:12 PM
Hella stoked for this! Anberlin never cease to deliver the goods. Like I said, hella stoked!
sean4123
08/27/08, 11:19 PM
People are jumping the gun on how they feel about this album. Listen to it a little more than 1 and 1/2 or 2 times. Let it sink in.
I've had many listens and this album definitely does NOT dissapoint. Its amazing.
Blake Solomon
08/27/08, 11:22 PM
Hella stoked for this! Anberlin never cease to deliver the goods. Like I said, hella stoked!
hahaha, touche
mr chainsaw
08/28/08, 04:58 AM
I'm waiting till the disc hits stores to hear it, but I love "Feel Good Drag". This has potential to be one of my top 5 this year.
Wait, isn't "Feel Good Drag" from Never Take Friendship Personal? Did they redo this? Idiots!
Never Take Friendship Personal was the only Anberlin CD that I would listen to more than once.
Oh, yeah...and too many people have that Underoath avatar...it is getting annoying.
ThatGuy
08/28/08, 07:07 AM
i'm sure tooth and nail will welcome them back with open arms after they get dropped
gonfreaks
08/28/08, 07:08 AM
Great review, pretty much exactly what I think of the album too. It's a good album, but a definite step down from Cities. I can't stop listening to Haight St., so catchy.
jallred11
08/28/08, 07:09 AM
im calling it right here....they are going to be dropped. the record doesnt hold up at a major label standard. this record is practically just regurgitated old songs...you'll see
Jason_Merch
08/28/08, 07:14 AM
I'm pretty sure this is still one of my AOTY picks. I have much faith in Anberlin. They seem to mature and get better with each album. Even though I'm sure there will be a day when they do release an album that totally fails everyone's expectations, I don't think this one is it. I'm stoked for some new anberlin!
SomedayTheFire
08/28/08, 07:19 AM
Wait, isn't "Feel Good Drag" from Never Take Friendship Personal? Did they redo this? Idiots!
Never Take Friendship Personal was the only Anberlin CD that I would listen to more than once.
Oh, yeah...and too many people have that Underoath avatar...it is getting annoying.
yes.
and it's a compitition.
The album isn't as good as cities unfortuanatly but its better than NTFP
bailmeout13
08/28/08, 07:24 AM
Good review Blake. I am excited to finally hear this album come late September.
XenoAbe
08/28/08, 07:27 AM
Still love this album although I agree it's not Cities. That album is still one of my fav albums of all time.
Anton Djamoos
08/28/08, 07:28 AM
People complain that the ratings are too high on this site. When attempting to balance, people complain that the reviews are too low on this site.
ship of fools
08/28/08, 07:30 AM
the beginning of the first song sounds like something by dredg
boykosaurus
08/28/08, 07:32 AM
Good to see you back in the mix and I'm excited for this album.
Protested Hero
08/28/08, 07:37 AM
I didn't like this album as much as cities, but it's still decent. Jack's Mannequin kind of overpowered the album release date anyway.
Great review. I do enjoy reading your reviews. Can't wait to hear this album. I hope it doesn't disappoints.
drudo182
08/28/08, 07:41 AM
Don't agree about Younglife and Haight St. Two of my favorite tracks on the album.
BBScience
08/28/08, 07:43 AM
This album is far better than Cities, been enjoying it alot.
drudo182
08/28/08, 07:44 AM
And I agree it's maybe a "step down" from NTFP and Cities, but I think it's the counterpart to Cities and how dark that ended up being which I think is perfect.
Good review though. I never stated that before.
I like it more than cities, but less that NTFP.
I´d give it an 82 :)
HBK42581
08/28/08, 07:47 AM
I'm still on the fence about this album. I'm a huge Anberlin fan, have been since before Blueprints had even come out and I've seen them in concert every time they've come to Boston except once. This album just feels way too watered down. There are a few decent songs on it but not one of them really feels like it reaches it's peak. I fear that 'Cities' will be the height of their genius but I'll hold out for the next CD to hopefully prove me wrong. I still (heart) you though, Anberlin.
Good review. 79 seems a little low for me though. :shrug:
hardpill
08/28/08, 07:58 AM
As a big Anberlin fan even before Blueprints... came out, i thought this was pretty spot on. Although I find myself preferring what a lot of people would consider the 'forgettable' tracks. The weakest link in their discography, but still a damn good release.
Jumpoff
08/28/08, 07:59 AM
Great review like always. I really liked their last album at one point, though I haven't given it many spins lately... based on this review not sure whether to check this out or not haha.
ad7ddrums
08/28/08, 08:05 AM
don't agree with this. absolutely love this album. can't wait to buy a hardcopy
escapepodrock
08/28/08, 08:05 AM
I must be taking crazy pills here - but I see a lot of folks here stating that "Cities" was better than "Never Take Friendship Personal"?! Agreed it had standouts like "Adelaide" and "Unwinding Cable Car" and "Dismantle. Repair." - but nothing came close to the EVERY SONG magic of "NTFP".
Although I will say that "New Surrender" has grown on me. I thoroughly enjoy a bunch of these songs - some of it is the same old Anberlin - but some of it is a slight departure. At this point I would have to say Anberlin records as follows:
1. Never Take Friendship Personal
2. New Surrender
3. Tie: Cities / Blueprints for the Blackmarket
My two cents. I just feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
vandalroyale
08/28/08, 08:06 AM
79?
79?????
END YOURSELF, BLAKE.
You've lost all credibility.
Um....hardly... good review blake-- I still havent listened to a song (besides Feel Good Drag), so this will be exciting on 9/30
Young Machetes
08/28/08, 08:10 AM
Did you mean to say you usually "like almost all of my scores?" Or was there actually a problem with how the review was written? There are a few forgettable songs on this album, two of which I mention and one of which I don't ("Burn Out Brighter (Northern Lights)"). An album simply can't score in the top 20th percentile with 3 less than great tracks. The rest are extremely strong, extremely catchy and extremely Anberlin, so the album still received a very high score.
I meant what I said, but that works too. The more I listen to it, the more those "weaker" songs stand out to me... they just don't sound like Anberlin, maybe that's why I like it so much. Your score fits for your opinion of the album, but then again, that's why we have these boards attached to each review, so we can all argue about our own opinions of it. Anberlin has a sound that they can call their own, and while this album tried to break from the typical mold, I felt it works. We'll see how the lasting value compares to NTFP or Cities.
BUT....
I don't know why people are bashing you for rating an album like The Maine's higher than this. You cannot compare something of that genre to Anberlin. It's like comparing Underoath to Fall Out Boy. Each review is only compared to the band's last release, and it's impossible to compare bananas to watermelon. Both are fruit (genre), but they're not the same (metal to pop-punk)
aradiantsunrise
08/28/08, 08:11 AM
Great review, Blake. I'm waiting until the album is released in stores to hear it and even though you didn't give it a perfect score, would you say it's in your top 5 albums of the year so far?
nicolerork
08/28/08, 08:12 AM
I would have left personal life stories out of it, but it's not my review. "Breathe" is my favorite.
You Vandal
08/28/08, 08:17 AM
The first paragraph is really sloppy.
chcougar1
08/28/08, 08:23 AM
Did you mean to say you usually "like almost all of my scores?" Or was there actually a problem with how the review was written? There are a few forgettable songs on this album, two of which I mention and one of which I don't ("Burn Out Brighter (Northern Lights)"). An album simply can't score in the top 20th percentile with 3 less than great tracks. The rest are extremely strong, extremely catchy and extremely Anberlin, so the album still received a very high score.
I actually think Burn Out Brighter is a great track. Retrace, Younglife, and Blame Me Blame Me are my bottom three....Younglife is the only one I cant really stand haha
Drew Beringer
08/28/08, 08:24 AM
Good review. Probably around the same I'd review it.
chcougar1
08/28/08, 08:26 AM
I must be taking crazy pills here - but I see a lot of folks here stating that "Cities" was better than "Never Take Friendship Personal"?! Agreed it had standouts like "Adelaide" and "Unwinding Cable Car" and "Dismantle. Repair." - but nothing came close to the EVERY SONG magic of "NTFP".
Although I will say that "New Surrender" has grown on me. I thoroughly enjoy a bunch of these songs - some of it is the same old Anberlin - but some of it is a slight departure. At this point I would have to say Anberlin records as follows:
1. Never Take Friendship Personal
2. New Surrender
3. Tie: Cities / Blueprints for the Blackmarket
My two cents. I just feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
Yeah you are nuts haha
I think the general Anberlin fan consensus is NTFP>Cities>New Surrender> Blueprints
and for me and probably many others there isn't much room between best and least great!!!
You Vandal
08/28/08, 08:43 AM
How is this review good? The first paragraph just doesn't make much sense. Mixing the girl and the band could have been a lot better. I didn't even really understand what you were trying to do there. Then the rest of the text is filled with music cliches. I'd give the review a 40%
Anton Djamoos
08/28/08, 08:53 AM
I can't wait to see "The Resistance" live and clap along with it.
bostonryan
08/28/08, 08:54 AM
Wait, isn't "Feel Good Drag" from Never Take Friendship Personal? Did they redo this? Idiots!
Never Take Friendship Personal was the only Anberlin CD that I would listen to more than once.
Oh, yeah...and too many people have that Underoath avatar...it is getting annoying.
especially because underoath sucks haha. their new album is some of the worst garbage ive heard in a while
EchoPark
08/28/08, 09:00 AM
Blake solid review mate.
This album is one that may not immidietely hit you but upon repeated listens it will be one of the top 10 of 2008.
i must be the odd-ball anberlin fan on this site because i would rate the albums as followed :
NS>blueprints>cities>ntfp
i always felt that ntfp was way to pop punk ish, but then again thats just my opinion. Very excited for this to come out.
Theow593
08/28/08, 09:11 AM
Sorry, maybe I was a little harsh.
S9Dallasoz
08/28/08, 09:13 AM
I must be taking crazy pills here - but I see a lot of folks here stating that "Cities" was better than "Never Take Friendship Personal"?! Agreed it had standouts like "Adelaide" and "Unwinding Cable Car" and "Dismantle. Repair." - but nothing came close to the EVERY SONG magic of "NTFP".
Although I will say that "New Surrender" has grown on me. I thoroughly enjoy a bunch of these songs - some of it is the same old Anberlin - but some of it is a slight departure. At this point I would have to say Anberlin records as follows:
1. Never Take Friendship Personal
2. New Surrender
3. Tie: Cities / Blueprints for the Blackmarket
My two cents. I just feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
We are on the same page, my friend.
djsclaus
08/28/08, 09:14 AM
I have yet to give this album a full listen yet, it's been on shuffle for a little while and often i'll catch one or two songs
I do enjoy Haight St. despite your bas review of the song
but maybe it's because I live near San Francisco..
con40dmitri
08/28/08, 09:16 AM
to me it sounds just like any other anberlin..not a whole lot of progression if you ask me.
SkyHeldUpByStar
08/28/08, 09:19 AM
"I'm stoked, this album is hella sweet."
-For Blake
I agree with the 79 rating. I think it's very fitting. Cities will, for me personally, be that album for Anberlin (unless they change that further down the road). I think Cities is the album that will be suggested when people ask which album they should start with. New Surrender is a bit of a step down from that but I still love it even though, yeah, Younglife is not the best song in their catalogue. At least it's only one song though. I just consider it their Foreign Language of this album, a song I can simply skip if I want to when it comes to it. I would probably rate this one somewhere around Never Take Friendship Personal status if a bit catchier. Overall, I've been a fan from the beginning and I will be buying this when it comes out. I've loved watching them grow from the tiny band they used to be into this major label group garnering some much deserved attention.
On another note, I remember talking to Stephen at a show a loooong time ago when Blueprints was just coming out and they were on tour with Further Seems Forever (Jason era). I wasn't as familiar with FSF then and so my friends and I were there to see Anberlin. When FSF came out Stephen got excited and said he loved the band and when they played The Sound he said it was his favorite song. I told him I wasn't as familiar with the new FSF and that I was actually there to see Anberlin to which he responded with a shocked look followed by a chuckle. He just turned to me and said, "Really? Why?" Haha, I love his humbleness. They deserve all the attention they get.
SeanEBoy2686
08/28/08, 09:32 AM
"recommended if you like the word 'hella'"
awesome
Ryzenfall
08/28/08, 09:40 AM
Good review. Aw man, i like Younglife.
so like..are the people who listened to the leak and didn't really enjoy the album not going to pick it up now??
Brandon Allin
08/28/08, 09:49 AM
Good review, Blake. I adore this record, so naturally I would have given it a significantly higher score, but that's just my humble opinion. I agree with whoever mentioned that this album takes more time to grow on you than Cities does. Cities was a love at first listen type of deal for me, while New Surrender took me at the very least 3 or 4 plays through to really appreciate it. "The Resistance," "Breaking," "Retrace," "Breathe," and "Haight St." are my favorites.
mallyland
08/28/08, 09:49 AM
Haven't checked the album out yet, but that opening paragraph was hilarious.
interesting it was a good review, but it seems like the rating drops a good amount for 1/2 of the bad songs you talked about.
Chancetobe
08/28/08, 09:59 AM
I actually think this is a great album. The more I listen, the more I like it. Stephens voice just keeps improving with every album. And the songs that you label forgettable (mainly Younglife) are actually among my favorites.
This album certainly compares with the previous 3 releases. I can understand how some people are dissapointed, because after 3 stellar albums, maybe they want something different, but, I am more than happy to get the same ol' same ol' from one of my favorite bands.
edit: I know I'm crazy, but, at the moment BFTBM = NTFP = NS > Cities. Cities had a few forgettable tracks, and, whereas I loved it upon first listen, I feel like it's gotten worse with time, whereas all of the other albums only get better with time.
AvengeCasper
08/28/08, 10:08 AM
"take that vest off, McLovin' you look like freakin' Aladdin!"
does your Jasmine look anything like the robin's egg blue wearing princess from the movie!?
p.s. cheers to Haight St.
NFG4ever
08/28/08, 10:08 AM
Solid review, Blakester. 79% is fitting - it's not a bad disc by any means, but it's a bit of a step down from their past two releases.
I agree with this. I find the vocals are a little too clean to,But overall its a solid rock album. Defenitly not Anberlin's best though. Few real strong tracks but theres a few that I have a hard time liking. I'm really feeling The Resistance. Wish there we're most songs like that.
kidwithhelmet
08/28/08, 10:15 AM
Does anybody hear a little "When Your Heart Stops Beating (+44)" in "Disappear?" I totally do in the opening riffs.
Did you mean to say you usually "like almost all of my scores?" Or was there actually a problem with how the review was written? There are a few forgettable songs on this album, two of which I mention and one of which I don't ("Burn Out Brighter (Northern Lights)"). An album simply can't score in the top 20th percentile with 3 less than great tracks. The rest are extremely strong, extremely catchy and extremely Anberlin, so the album still received a very high score.
Burns out brighter, is HARDLY a forgettable track. i'm not going to post unreleased said lyrics but, if you listen to the last chorus, the lyrics are simply amazing. your review was good, and i am a huge anberlin fan, while i do agree that i loved cities and it defined me in a lot of ways, you have to admit that this record is a totally different direction and it's more of a feel good (drag) than a depression.
This is album is, so far, a slight letdown.
To me, as a casual fan, Anberlin has gotten stagnant. They really on the same old songwriting, and while its far from bad, quite good actually, its not fantastic. There's nothing yet on this album that hits me like "Paperthin Hymn", "Fin" or "The Unwinding Cable Car" did.
Still a great band, but their potential to be an amazing band is fading fast, I think.
please go back to listening to JIMMY EAT WORLD and leave us alone :)
NFG4ever
08/28/08, 10:22 AM
This is album is, so far, a slight letdown.
To me, as a casual fan, Anberlin has gotten stagnant. They really on the same old songwriting, and while its far from bad, quite good actually, its not fantastic. There's nothing yet on this album that hits me like "Paperthin Hymn", "Fin" or "The Unwinding Cable Car" did.
Still a great band, but their potential to be an amazing band is fading fast, I think.
All amazing songs , But the Resistance hit me like those songs did. Proboly the best Anberlin song I've ever heard.
CIWWAF "rotation" iz s000ooo much the better than Anberlin'z "NEW SURRENDAR"
Mibabalou
08/28/08, 10:33 AM
CIWWAF "rotation" iz s000ooo much the better than Anberlin'z "NEW SURRENDAR"
wow
not at all
All amazing songs , But the Resistance hit me like those songs did. Proboly the best Anberlin song I've ever heard.
The resistance is a phenomenal song. and could become the best LIVE song they have, very excited to hear it on Oct. 24th
nickdallasanta
08/28/08, 10:37 AM
CIWWAF "rotation" iz s000ooo much the better than Anberlin'z "NEW SURRENDAR"
:crackup:
nice one
on a frequency
08/28/08, 10:43 AM
good review. i really want to pick this album up when it hits stores if i have some funds left over after buying the glass passenger. 79 seems a little low in comparison to the review though.
March_Faster!!
08/28/08, 10:44 AM
Nice review, but after reading it and seeing the score you gave it, I was a bit surprised as the two didn't seem to correlate. Anyway, Anberlin continue bringing the melodic rock and I love it.
Timetoroll
08/28/08, 10:47 AM
Amazing review. Thank you so much.
WhatJulianSaid
08/28/08, 10:53 AM
This album is good in general but I'm also still not sure how it stacks against the others, its clear that with every next step they take they try new things and always succeed at that skill maybe sometime in the near future everyone will love this album... I hope so anyway
Alex Djaferis
08/28/08, 10:55 AM
im no big anberlin fan but this is their best release imo.
TBSEmoKid
08/28/08, 11:00 AM
Did you mean to say you usually "like almost all of my scores?" Or was there actually a problem with how the review was written? There are a few forgettable songs on this album, two of which I mention and one of which I don't ("Burn Out Brighter (Northern Lights)"). An album simply can't score in the top 20th percentile with 3 less than great tracks. The rest are extremely strong, extremely catchy and extremely Anberlin, so the album still received a very high score.
I just can't believe you didn't enjoy Haight St. To me,it's the song with the most single potential now that they're going into mainstream.Catchy and pop sensible.This song reminds me a lot of Time and Confusion or Audrey,Start The Revolution.I can agree with the other two less than stellar tracks,but this just surprised me.To each his own though.
brokenwings
08/28/08, 11:03 AM
it's a solid pop album and i really like the production (which i am especially happy about because i couldn't stand aaron sprinkles work on the last record)... but i was hoping for a lot more. the problem i have with this record is the fact that it is really poppy most of the time and lacking some of the hard-hitting, fast rock songs that originally made me fall in love with this band. and it's a shame that among the very few heavy songs on the record one is just a 3 1/2 year old re-recorded track.
chcougar1
08/28/08, 11:05 AM
I just can't believe you didn't enjoy Haight St. To me,it's the song with the most single potential now that they're going into mainstream.Catchy and pop sensible.This song reminds me a lot of Time and Confusion or Audrey,Start The Revolution.I can agree with the other two less than stellar tracks,but this just surprised me.To each his own though.
Haight St. is one of the best feel good tracks of the year in my opinion...It just puts a big smile on my face and brings back memories of good times...I think it would be a good single choice as well!
TBSEmoKid
08/28/08, 11:05 AM
I must be taking crazy pills here - but I see a lot of folks here stating that "Cities" was better than "Never Take Friendship Personal"?! Agreed it had standouts like "Adelaide" and "Unwinding Cable Car" and "Dismantle. Repair." - but nothing came close to the EVERY SONG magic of "NTFP".
Although I will say that "New Surrender" has grown on me. I thoroughly enjoy a bunch of these songs - some of it is the same old Anberlin - but some of it is a slight departure. At this point I would have to say Anberlin records as follows:
1. Never Take Friendship Personal
2. New Surrender
3. Tie: Cities / Blueprints for the Blackmarket
My two cents. I just feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
I agree with you.
alaskan
08/28/08, 11:12 AM
good review, this sounds like anberlin is coming full circle
dan.is.empire
08/28/08, 11:15 AM
the best part of anberlin was the incredible production on NTFP and Cities....this one lacks a LOT in that department.
Colto0824
08/28/08, 11:16 AM
Ya... Overall I agree... I was pretty sad when I found out they signed to a major label... And honestly expected it to be a steamy pile of crap... But it was all in all pretty decent.... I'm only a lukewarm listener of Anberlin in the first place, but I'm a huge fan of Stephen Christian... His book The Orphaned Anythings: Memoir of a Lesser Known, is my favorite book.... It's amazing and everyone should read it... And in all honesty I think Anchor & Braille is far better than Amberlin.... So I was a little pissed about them leaving all us awesome indie kids... But it's an overall good record... For being on a major label it's really good... Nice review dude....
sorry for the noob question, but...
when you are commenting on the review about individual tracks, such as the resistance etc. how have you heard these songs to be able to comment on them?
i was guessing its because you have all been sent advanced copies for one reason or another, but there are an awful lot of you which is why im curious...
thanks
the album leaked recently thats why
singyoutocoma
08/28/08, 11:26 AM
i always felt that ntfp was way to pop punk ish, but then again thats just my opinion.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks it's their worst.
Blake, that was an awesome review, man. I got so caught up in reading it that I didn't even look at the score until well after I finished. I'm glad about that, because this seems like one of those times where what you said was really important, and the score was just the necessary irrelevance.
HBK42581
08/28/08, 11:34 AM
sorry for the noob question, but...
when you are commenting on the review about individual tracks, such as the resistance etc. how have you heard these songs to be able to comment on them?
i was guessing its because you have all been sent advanced copies for one reason or another, but there are an awful lot of you which is why im curious...
thanks
Yes, it's called downloading torrents. Speaking of which, the new Jack's Mannequin is stellar. My preferential tune on New Surrender is definitely 'Disappear.' That song rocks.
downwithgravity
08/28/08, 11:42 AM
79% is about right. This CD still hasn't grabbed me yet. I've listened to it at least 3 or 4 times. Unlike Cities, which got me hooked immediately. It's good, but I think I'm jaded by the progress they made with each CD before this.
Poor timing though, this should have come out before Cities, because now it definitely seems like a step down. Interesting direction they took on the long last song formula. Wasn't expecting it to sound anything like that, not sure what I think of it yet.
Phil507
08/28/08, 11:48 AM
People complain that the ratings are too high on this site. When attempting to balance, people complain that the reviews are too low on this site.
I think we just complain because reviews aren't really objective. Too much medicore stuff is given a pass because it's "just fun to sing along too" or something along those lines (see: The Maine, All Time Low, etc.)
Phil507
08/28/08, 11:50 AM
Ya... Overall I agree... I was pretty sad when I found out they signed to a major label... And honestly expected it to be a steamy pile of crap... But it was all in all pretty decent.... I'm only a lukewarm listener of Anberlin in the first place, but I'm a huge fan of Stephen Christian... His book The Orphaned Anythings: Memoir of a Lesser Known, is my favorite book.... It's amazing and everyone should read it... And in all honesty I think Anchor & Braille is far better than Amberlin.... So I was a little pissed about them leaving all us awesome indie kids... But it's an overall good record... For being on a major label it's really good... Nice review dude....
I guarantee you there is nothing remotely "indie" about you or any of your friends.
drudo182
08/28/08, 11:51 AM
Albums gets better and better with every listen.
Nice review, but after reading it and seeing the score you gave it, I was a bit surprised as the two didn't seem to correlate. Anyway, Anberlin continue bringing the melodic rock and I love it.
Yeah that's exactly what I was thinking.
Can't wait for this album.
Phil507
08/28/08, 11:56 AM
Did the reviewer get an advance copy or did he just download the leaked version like the rest of us minions?
strtfrd7
08/28/08, 11:58 AM
haha hella stoked. fantastic review, i'm really excited to hear this.
Shooter McGavin
08/28/08, 12:10 PM
It's going to be hard for them to ever do anything as good as Cities. I remember Stephen making comments about Cities being their "Ok Computer" even before the album was even done. That being said, after a few listens I love the first track but I'm crazy about the rest of it. I would put Cities and Friendship ahead of it.
downwithgravity
08/28/08, 12:12 PM
I must be taking crazy pills here - but I see a lot of folks here stating that "Cities" was better than "Never Take Friendship Personal"?! Agreed it had standouts like "Adelaide" and "Unwinding Cable Car" and "Dismantle. Repair." - but nothing came close to the EVERY SONG magic of "NTFP".
Although I will say that "New Surrender" has grown on me. I thoroughly enjoy a bunch of these songs - some of it is the same old Anberlin - but some of it is a slight departure. At this point I would have to say Anberlin records as follows:
1. Never Take Friendship Personal
2. New Surrender
3. Tie: Cities / Blueprints for the Blackmarket
My two cents. I just feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
I'm the complete opposite. I can't see why some consider NTFP better than Cities (I'm a complete Cities junkie). Everything on it is crafted so well and grabs my attention (well, except maybe the less good Adelaide and Inevitable). The good songs on NTFP are excellent (title track, Feel Good Drag, Paperthin Hymn) but others are just blah to me (blase, Stationary, Heavy Hearted Work).
Ya... Overall I agree... I was pretty sad when I found out they signed to a major label... And honestly expected it to be a steamy pile of crap... But it was all in all pretty decent.... I'm only a lukewarm listener of Anberlin in the first place, but I'm a huge fan of Stephen Christian... His book The Orphaned Anythings: Memoir of a Lesser Known, is my favorite book.... It's amazing and everyone should read it... And in all honesty I think Anchor & Braille is far better than Amberlin.... So I was a little pissed about them leaving all us awesome indie kids... But it's an overall good record... For being on a major label it's really good... Nice review dude....
Try typing with out using... every other word. next off, try making complete sentences and correcting typos and then i might actually be able to understand what you wrote here.
Nick Le
08/28/08, 12:24 PM
Solid review, Blakester. 79% is fitting - it's not a bad disc by any means, but it's a bit of a step down from their past two releases.
I agree with this...
Not as epic as Cities. And I love NTFP. I think it might be better than Blueprints, but it'll take me a while to really get used to this album. Maybe like it more?
I really like Feel Good, Disappear, and Breaking.
i'm stoked for this anyways...to come out, need a physical copy.
And I liked the RIYL...haha
Phil507
08/28/08, 12:30 PM
I still can't understand why this got the same score as turds such as The Maine but maybe I'm just old and out-of-touch?
yo jeff
08/28/08, 12:40 PM
I must be taking crazy pills here - but I see a lot of folks here stating that "Cities" was better than "Never Take Friendship Personal"?! Agreed it had standouts like "Adelaide" and "Unwinding Cable Car" and "Dismantle. Repair." - but nothing came close to the EVERY SONG magic of "NTFP".
Although I will say that "New Surrender" has grown on me. I thoroughly enjoy a bunch of these songs - some of it is the same old Anberlin - but some of it is a slight departure. At this point I would have to say Anberlin records as follows:
1. Never Take Friendship Personal
2. New Surrender
3. Tie: Cities / Blueprints for the Blackmarket
My two cents. I just feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
you are taking crazy pills
Cities tied with Blueprints?
S9Dallasoz
08/28/08, 12:56 PM
you are taking crazy pills
Cities tied with Blueprints?
That is crazy, actually.
I have Cities and New Surrender neck & neck w/ NTFP ahead of the rest.
S9Dallasoz
08/28/08, 12:56 PM
Haight St. is one of the best feel good tracks of the year in my opinion...It just puts a big smile on my face and brings back memories of good times...I think it would be a good single choice as well!
Agreed.
chcougar1
08/28/08, 01:04 PM
I still can't understand why this got the same score as turds such as The Maine but maybe I'm just old and out-of-touch?
No you arent just old and out of touch. There is no way in fuck this album should have the same score as The Maine.
I'd give this album a 91%
Just for comparison's sake I'd probably give NTFP a 94%, Cities a 93% and Blueprints an 88%
Maybe I'm too nice or somethin haha
Chemical Love
08/28/08, 01:06 PM
Love this album.
grimis16
08/28/08, 01:23 PM
i like about half the songs. It gets better after more listens, but its not up to the last two
Blake Solomon
08/28/08, 01:26 PM
I still can't understand why this got the same score as turds such as The Maine but maybe I'm just old and out-of-touch?
You probably can't understand it because making comparisons like this are completely irrelevant.
SanePsychotic
08/28/08, 01:26 PM
Great review, as per usual. Wouldn't know about the album and I doubt I'd spend the money to find out.
Phil507
08/28/08, 01:32 PM
You probably can't understand it because making comparisons like this are completely irrelevant.
How is it irrelevant? Similar scores would mean similar levels of quality, correct? At least, based on the rating system this site has.
MusicTalks
08/28/08, 01:34 PM
Calling me out for the score on another review is irrelevant, but I would generally agree that Anberlin is more creative than the Maine. I spend the smallest of time figuring out those number scores. If you think the review was crap, let's talk about that.
i agree with blake's first page post about ratings. honestly, it's difficult to determine if a vocal is an 8.00 or 8.25. or if the lyrics are 7.25 instead of 7.75? what really makes up the other .25 or the other .50? so, while i appreciate how it's broken into those categories, i think that actual review is more important than the numbers on the side. because if you can't get a feel for the vibe of the album, from the words, you certainly won't get it from the numbers on the left. good review, i'm looking forward to the release. thanks, blake.
hockeyguitar99
08/28/08, 01:41 PM
Wait, isn't "Feel Good Drag" from Never Take Friendship Personal? Did they redo this? Idiots!
Never Take Friendship Personal was the only Anberlin CD that I would listen to more than once.
Oh, yeah...and too many people have that Underoath avatar...it is getting annoying.
Ok...
And the Underoath avatars are for a contest, which is the only reason that i have it.
Andrew Love
08/28/08, 01:43 PM
while I would have personally gave this a higher score, I still respect your opinion.
The Marc
08/28/08, 01:44 PM
This album is the first Anberlin album that's really clicked with me. Good stuff.
The overly cutesy review, however, is not your best - and it has nothing to do with the scores. Do people still actually get upset when a band signs to a major label?
Blake Solomon
08/28/08, 02:03 PM
How is it irrelevant? Similar scores would mean similar levels of quality, correct? At least, based on the rating system this site has.
Two numbers taken out of context don't mean anything, which is what you are implying. The words in those reviews make it clear with album I think is worth more. Anberlin have created a great album. I also like The Maine's album, but one opinion on one band shouldn't discredit an opinion on others.
You like cheese?! You can't like coffee!
Blake Solomon
08/28/08, 02:04 PM
This album is the first Anberlin album that's really clicked with me. Good stuff.
The overly cutesy review, however, is not your best - and it has nothing to do with the scores. Do people still actually get upset when a band signs to a major label?
I'd say the first paragraph is more sarcastic than anything - per usual- but if you want to call it cute, go right ahead. Power to the people!
Cities was a disappointment for me after BFTB and NTFP. I'll still probably pick up this album though.
im_wide_awake
08/28/08, 02:19 PM
i didn't like the direction they seemed to be taking, and I really don't like the lyrics either from the ones you choose, it sounds like metal bands and not anberlin. ah we'll see though
Loch_Doun
08/28/08, 02:22 PM
Christian brought some of that Acceptance magic to this band. He's a great fit.
albatrossflyer
08/28/08, 02:24 PM
Blake, if you can't compare numbers between reviews on this site, then how can the scores mean anything? How can you judge how an album compares to music in general if every score is relative? And apart from that, if you were to compare scores to school grades for instance, I would say this album is way above passing. Mid-to-upper eighties at least. It's not the best thing the music world has ever seen, but it's head-and-shoulders above almost everything in the scene right now. Certainly "The Maine" for crying out loud.
I agree that the written review should cary more weight in people's minds, but I think the score undermines your compliments to the band in your review, as if you don't mean what you're saying. I would consider revising it to a slightly higher score, 'cause you wouldn't want to scare people away from this album would you?
albatrossflyer
08/28/08, 02:27 PM
And for the record: Cities>New Surrender>Never Take Friendship Personal>Blueprints for the Black Market.
But to be honest, I only say Cities is better because of preference. I like the darker, more intense tone, but New Surrender has its place, and I like that it's not a carbon copy of anything they've released to date.
Blake Solomon
08/28/08, 02:51 PM
Blake, if you can't compare numbers between reviews on this site, then how can the scores mean anything? How can you judge how an album compares to music in general if every score is relative? And apart from that, if you were to compare scores to school grades for instance, I would say this album is way above passing. Mid-to-upper eighties at least. It's not the best thing the music world has ever seen, but it's head-and-shoulders above almost everything in the scene right now. Certainly "The Maine" for crying out loud.
I agree that the written review should cary more weight in people's minds, but I think the score undermines your compliments to the band in your review, as if you don't mean what you're saying. I would consider revising it to a slightly higher score, 'cause you wouldn't want to scare people away from this album would you?
Posting so I remember to answer this when im back on my computer
xtheaudition
08/28/08, 02:56 PM
AP mag gave them 3 out of 5 stars =/
chcougar1
08/28/08, 03:08 PM
Yeah, thep roblem is people hold scores in different 'height's. To some, an 80 isn't that great while others might view and 80% score to be pretty damn good, and a 90 exceptional. That's gotta make reviewing tough
This does make things hard....because to me a 79% is a C+....which this album clearly is not...guess I am too used to the grading system used in schools. If 50% is considered average then a 79% might not be too bad....but The Maine getting the same score is oh so wrong.
chcougar1
08/28/08, 03:09 PM
You probably can't understand it because making comparisons like this are completely irrelevant.
I would agree to some extent, but I consider both Anberlin and The Maine to be pop rock bands....yeah they are quite different stylistically, but really it is not like we are comparing Slipknot to Fall Out Boy or something?!
chcougar1
08/28/08, 03:13 PM
AP mag gave them 3 out of 5 stars =/
That is ridiculous.
Sic Transit Zeb
08/28/08, 03:16 PM
This does make things hard....because to me a 79% is a C+....which this album clearly is not...guess I am too used to the grading system used in schools. If 50% is considered average then a 79% might not be too bad....but The Maine getting the same score is oh so wrong.
Yeah i see what you're saying.
The Maine got a 70 though, not at 79. The rating, to me, has to be one of the hardest things to do.
atticusfinch
08/28/08, 03:17 PM
I am really enjoying this album, especially "Blame me! Blame me!"
Mattylikesfilms
08/28/08, 03:19 PM
Solid review, Blakester. 79% is fitting - it's not a bad disc by any means, but it's a bit of a step down from their past two releases.
i agree that its a MAJOR STEP DOWN
id rate it more like 59%. When one of the best songs on the album is a old song they re recorded, it should be a red flag. i cant find any songs that grab me at all. such a bad album from such a great bunch of musicians
fucking sad
chcougar1
08/28/08, 03:20 PM
Yeah i see what you're saying.
The Maine got a 70 though, not at 79. The rating, to me, has to be one of the hardest things to do.
Oh...okay then...that isnt as bad then haha but still it would be nice to know if Blake was going by a school grade scale or a "50% is average scale"
mr chainsaw
08/28/08, 03:25 PM
Ok...
And the Underoath avatars are for a contest, which is the only reason that i have it.
sell out
hockeyguitar99
08/28/08, 03:29 PM
sell out
http://i29.tinypic.com/kd52ft.gif
Hagysaurus Rex
08/28/08, 03:29 PM
i thought delving into his personal life to start a review was sort of tacky but i wont talk shit about it. id pay to see a better review from you
Same here...I kept waiting for the moment when he'd start talking about the album itself, hah. But it turned into a stellar write-up, and actually has me pretty excited for Anberlin for the first time in years. I'll be checking this out ASAP
GuitarR0cker1
08/28/08, 03:35 PM
Good review
And for the record: Cities>New Surrender>Never Take Friendship Personal>Blueprints for the Black Market.
But to be honest, I only say Cities is better because of preference. I like the darker, more intense tone, but New Surrender has its place, and I like that it's not a carbon copy of anything they've released to date.
Thank you for posting this and not making me the only person to think this. Cities is better IMO but New Surrender is a Grower and an amazing first release on a major label debut. and new surrender is a VERY close second.
http://i29.tinypic.com/kd52ft.gif
well i would have enjoyed this more hadn't it lasted 5 hours. and secondly your underoath avatar fucks everything ITS FUCKING BR00T4L
what_ever
08/28/08, 04:09 PM
Accurate score and pretty good review. Good job.
Excited to get this hard copy.
mr chainsaw
08/28/08, 04:13 PM
http://i29.tinypic.com/kd52ft.gif
congratulations!
http://bilesnarksneer.typepad.com/bile_snark_sneer/images/south_park_5bthe_biggest_douche_in_ the_u.jpg
Blake Solomon
08/28/08, 04:18 PM
Oh...okay then...that isnt as bad then haha but still it would be nice to know if Blake was going by a school grade scale or a "50% is average scale"
50% is average. I'm no teacher. That's how all the reviews on this site are gauged.
Brett132
08/28/08, 04:21 PM
Can't wait to listen to it.
SLADE775
08/28/08, 04:35 PM
This album is very good, but not as epic as Cities.
lol
hockeyguitar99
08/28/08, 04:38 PM
.
well i would have enjoyed this more hadn't it lasted 5 hours. and secondly your underoath avatar fucks everything ITS FUCKING BR00T4L
I would have enjoyed that a lot more if it was coherent statement.
congratulations!
http://bilesnarksneer.typepad.com/bile_snark_sneer/images/south_park_5bthe_biggest_douche_in_ the_u.jpg
:bow:
alex11264
08/28/08, 04:39 PM
You probably can't understand it because making comparisons like this are completely irrelevant.
why is that?
the maine and anberlin isnt exactly like comparaing rap and opera is it?
not having a go, just curious...
I would have enjoyed that a lot more if it was coherent statement.
:bow:
ever heard of sarcasm (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sarcasm) ?
why is that?
the maine and anberlin isnt exactly like comparaing rap and opera is it?
not having a go, just curious...
Kind of like comparing dog shit and your favorite food. Which would you rather eat? i'd rather have anberlin.
hockeyguitar99
08/28/08, 04:50 PM
ever heard of sarcasm (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sarcasm) ?
That doesn't make a statement coherent.
That doesn't make a statement coherent.
oh wait, you are 15, my bad dude. Please come back when you've taken a college english class or two. don't forget to blast that underøath tunage!
Blake Solomon
08/28/08, 04:55 PM
Blake, if you can't compare numbers between reviews on this site, then how can the scores mean anything? How can you judge how an album compares to music in general if every score is relative? And apart from that, if you were to compare scores to school grades for instance, I would say this album is way above passing. Mid-to-upper eighties at least. It's not the best thing the music world has ever seen, but it's head-and-shoulders above almost everything in the scene right now. Certainly "The Maine" for crying out loud.
I agree that the written review should cary more weight in people's minds, but I think the score undermines your compliments to the band in your review, as if you don't mean what you're saying. I would consider revising it to a slightly higher score, 'cause you wouldn't want to scare people away from this album would you?
why is that?
the maine and anberlin isnt exactly like comparaing rap and opera is it?
not having a go, just curious...
I've never been a fan of numeric reviews for albums, but as it's one of the main thing people look it, they are necessary. I just feel that a number for one album shouldn't have any bearing on a number for another. They sort of exist in a vacuum. My opinion on one album doesn't discredit my opinion on all albums. Not saying my opinion usually matters, but in this discussion it pretty much does.
As I said previously, I don't grade as a teacher. I grade as a 50% being run of the mill or average. There aren't necessarily failing grades like a teacher would give, but there are terrible albums. A bad score speaks to a general feeling of disappointment rather than missing certain critera. Now, keep in mind this is my view, others may something different.
Also, I don't see the discrepancy in what I said and the score. They lined up in my mind, otherwise I would have fixed the score immediately. 3 not-so-good songs and you get your score. Some of the number values may be a bit skewed to find the final number I wanted, but I stand by it.
fedhed7
08/28/08, 05:15 PM
Disagreed with the review. This cd is much better than Cities... It's got bigger hooks, better lyrics, better everything. I'd have to call it the best album they've made yet.
carsancalor1es
08/28/08, 05:17 PM
NTFP>CITIES>New Surrender
I really can not get into new surrender...hopefully it will grow on me.
mr chainsaw
08/28/08, 05:40 PM
oh wait, you are 15, my bad dude. Please come back when you've taken a college english class or two. don't forget to blast that underøath tunage!
hey now he doesnt listen to underoath, he is just a poser
Illuminate
08/28/08, 05:44 PM
Blake, I liked this review but extremely disagree...a 79??!?!!- blasphemy.
This album is amazing, I can't wait till my pre-order comes. Anberlin never fails. This is not cities but it's pretty fucking close. Maybe in a few more weeks it'll overtake the great "Cities"
Illuminate
08/28/08, 05:45 PM
NTFP>CITIES>New Surrender
I really can not get into new surrender...hopefully it will grow on me.
really? I love NTFP but in my opinion it's not even close to as great as cities... and I think i like new surrender better than it as well
hey now he doesnt listen to underoath, he is just a poser
hahaha so true!
tommy413
08/28/08, 06:06 PM
Congratulations on your very first girlfriend.
scmaley
08/28/08, 06:19 PM
I liked, at most, three songs on Cities and I think I like more than that on this album. Overall, they're solid.
Gumbyjag
08/28/08, 06:32 PM
that review was so awesome. great job, definitely getting this now.
princesschad
08/28/08, 06:38 PM
lol
Something hilarious?
Colto0824
08/28/08, 07:11 PM
I guarantee you there is nothing remotely "indie" about you or any of your friends.
Considering you know me and my friends so well, that's an excellent observation! And I didn't mention a single thing about my friends bud. Hell, most my friends wouldn't even know what indie meant. I'll let you think what you want. Have a nice day!
Try typing with out using... every other word. next off, try making complete sentences and correcting typos and then i might actually be able to understand what you wrote here.
Awwww! He's illiterate! Considering his grammar is so correct, I'm glad he has room to speak! Your great run-on sentences have shown me exactly what I was doing wrong in my writing and your capitalization leaves me in awe. I can understand how about four typos can trip you up and make it hard for you to read; But if you can't understand standard English, just move on and don't make yourself look like an ass(no one would have ever known you couldn't read if you didn't mention it).
desipunk7
08/28/08, 07:37 PM
Kinda off topic, and about a completely diff album, but the acoustic guitar in the beginning of Unwinding Cable Car and the acoustic guitar in Fin are the best things Anberlin EVER wrote.
Fin isn't as amazing as everyone makes it out to be. I prefer NS' ending to it. :shrug:
imtimwhoareyou
08/28/08, 08:06 PM
People complain that the ratings are too high on this site. When attempting to balance, people complain that the reviews are too low on this site.
Haha, seriously. Might as well just take the forum part out of the reviews...
imtimwhoareyou
08/28/08, 08:17 PM
Ya... Overall I agree... I was pretty sad when I found out they signed to a major label... And honestly expected it to be a steamy pile of crap... But it was all in all pretty decent.... I'm only a lukewarm listener of Anberlin in the first place, but I'm a huge fan of Stephen Christian... His book The Orphaned Anythings: Memoir of a Lesser Known, is my favorite book.... It's amazing and everyone should read it... And in all honesty I think Anchor & Braille is far better than Amberlin.... So I was a little pissed about them leaving all us awesome indie kids... But it's an overall good record... For being on a major label it's really good... Nice review dude....
:rotfl:
People complain that the ratings are too high on this site. When attempting to balance, people complain that the reviews are too low on this site.
Completely true
GReat review Blake, I enjoyed reading it- I agree with your critique, too. Its a good disc but it could be much better.
DandonTRJ
08/28/08, 08:38 PM
Woo, this is a popular review. I'll try to add my thoughts without being too redundant, hopefully.
This album is definitely a grower. I think the expectations we all have of Anberlin are dwarfing the sheer brilliance that lies in this album's accessibility when compared to their previous releases. Cities, while an amazing album, presented a great challenge to the average listener with its tones and subject matter; it's not a great introductory disc, imo. NTFP was more immediately likable, but also slightly more limited in its sonic palette [not to discount the fact that every song is golden on it]. It hit, but it didn't hit hard.
I think New Surrender presents the culmination of Anberlin's efforts to capture and distill their sound in a way that appeals to mainstream audiences while maintaining much of the style they're already known for. As a disc, it feels cohesive to me. It has much of the maturity of Cities, but also more of NTFP's hookiness, and even a bit of Blueprints' rawness (and many times its overt happiness) thrown into the mix. A little bit of old, a little bit of new, and as an overall album, a much different feel than any release they've put out before. To me, that spells success, and I'm convinced that it will become more and more evident over time.
In any case, great write-up -- I'm sure you've gotten enough shit over the numerical score by now [not sifting through 150+ comments right now, haha], and while I personally would have knocked it up to the mid-80's, I can see exactly where you're coming from. Hopefully it grows on you a little more over time as well!
TBSEmoKid
08/28/08, 09:07 PM
You probably can't understand it because making comparisons like this are completely irrelevant.
Haha,not to sound like an annoyance,but man I do really want to know what you don't like about Haight St. I loved the review,and the score is fitting,if I'm to be completely honest with myself.But I just really want to know,because I agreed almost 100% except for that point,hahaha.
Sorry if this is getting annoying for you.
tragedyco
08/28/08, 09:10 PM
I was listening to them on myspace... and after two songs was wondering when they were going to put up some songs from the new album. And then i realized both the songs i listened to were new. Never was a huge fan, but i thought the songs sounded just like every other anberlin song.
With that being said, they're a decent band... i think dude has a killer voice.
TheBaroness
08/28/08, 09:36 PM
poor Blake, you can't win - either it's too low or too high
hockeyguitar99
08/28/08, 10:06 PM
oh wait, you are 15, my bad dude. Please come back when you've taken a college english class or two. don't forget to blast that underøath tunage!
I think it's hilarious that I'm 9 years younger than you, and you're still acting petty.
Sic Transit Zeb
08/28/08, 10:13 PM
I think it's hilarious that I'm 9 years younger than you, and you're still acting petty.
i hate when people bring up an age thing. You're 15...big deal.
Blake Solomon
08/28/08, 10:47 PM
poor Blake, you can't win - either it's too low or too high
haha, such is life
I think it's hilarious that I'm 9 years younger than you, and you're still acting petty.
Oh so now you are 10 years old? i'm not being petty i'm merely stating that you know nothing of which you speak and need to get the fuck off of AP.net and go back to sucking on your mom's tits while pretending to listen to underoath
i hate when people bring up an age thing. You're 15...big deal.
yeah the kid is 15 or 10. knows nothing the end.
alex11264
08/29/08, 01:10 AM
i think its a pretty good album, that all on first listen.
i was expecting so, so much more from the final track, but hopefully it will grow on me as well.
Chris Fallon
08/29/08, 03:37 AM
I think we just complain because reviews aren't really objective. Too much medicore stuff is given a pass because it's "just fun to sing along too" or something along those lines (see: The Maine, All Time Low, etc.)
I see what you mean, but to me, I generally believe staff review to be more judgmental and critical. I would never give an album a high score simply because it has some catchy hooks - substance and depth are important. Considering Blake is a huge Anberlin fan, he might be more critical than some would be, but isn't that what people want? Otherwise, a flimsy grade won't satisfy anyone.
Then again ... people never seem to be satisfied with scores, and really, the scores are reflected in the writing - if someone outright says "this album is great because you can sing along to it," that shouldn't determine it's score unless you have some evidence. Blake is a huge fan of the band, so objectivity is present definitely here.
Chris Fallon
08/29/08, 03:39 AM
And are people seriously confused as to why the band re-recorded "Feel Good Drag"? How many times have we seen this people? C'mon now.
aradiantsunrise
08/29/08, 04:53 AM
And are people seriously confused as to why the band re-recorded "Feel Good Drag"? How many times have we seen this people? C'mon now.
I guess those people weren't around when that explanation blog about it from Stephen was posted on here. :shrug:
And for the record....to those who never read that, the reason for it is a good one, Anberlin knows what they're doing.
hockeyguitar99
08/29/08, 05:05 AM
Oh so now you are 10 years old? i'm not being petty i'm merely stating that you know nothing of which you speak and need to get the fuck off of AP.net and go back to sucking on your mom's tits while pretending to listen to underoath
yeah the kid is 15 or 10. knows nothing the end.
I'm really, really glad that you took this opportunity to prove that you're not an idiot who lost an argument and replies with immature petty comments.
I am not liking these avatars. I don't care if it's a contest. It's annoying.
Aphasia17
08/29/08, 06:57 AM
I am not liking these avatars. I don't care if it's a contest. It's annoying.
:hitself:
Phil507
08/29/08, 08:14 AM
Two numbers taken out of context don't mean anything, which is what you are implying. The words in those reviews make it clear with album I think is worth more. Anberlin have created a great album. I also like The Maine's album, but one opinion on one band shouldn't discredit an opinion on others.
You like cheese?! You can't like coffee!
I don't understand why The Maine gets a free pass on this site. Don't they display just as many homogeneous, sterile, auto-tuned qualities as some of their more evil contemporaries?
I'm really, really glad that you took this opportunity to prove that you're not an idiot who lost an argument and replies with immature petty comments.
well if you are so "mature" then why do you keep arguing? :thisissparta:
Phil507
08/29/08, 08:22 AM
Considering you know me and my friends so well, that's an excellent observation! And I didn't mention a single thing about my friends bud. Hell, most my friends wouldn't even know what indie meant. I'll let you think what you want. Have a nice day!
I do know you and your friends well. You're so similar to almost every other misinformed kid posting on this site you might as well have come from a factory.
Your stubborn refusal to give the record a chance (at least from your post) because it was on a "major" label just proves how much of a fucking moronic sheep you are.
As you get older, you realize that "indie" labels function basically the EXACT same way majors do and would just like to reach into wallet as well.
I do know you and your friends well. You're so similar to almost every other misinformed kid posting on this site you might as well have come from a factory.
Your stubborn refusal to give the record a chance (at least from your post) because it was on a "major" label just proves how much of a fucking moronic sheep you are.
As you get older, you realize that "indie" labels function basically the EXACT same way majors do and would just like to reach into wallet as well.
i'm suprised that kid you are fighting with could type with out "dot dot dot" every second :-d
I'm really, really glad that you took this opportunity to prove that you're not an idiot who lost an argument and replies with immature petty comments.
http://smiliesftw.com/x/2girls.gif
Sic Transit Zeb
08/29/08, 08:52 AM
Oh so now you are 10 years old? i'm not being petty i'm merely stating that you know nothing of which you speak and need to get the fuck off of AP.net and go back to sucking on your mom's tits while pretending to listen to underoath
yeah the kid is 15 or 10. knows nothing the end.
yeah and being 19 you know everything
yeah and being 19 you know everything
never said i did? know a lot more that this fucker though.
Blake Solomon
08/29/08, 09:33 AM
I don't understand why The Maine gets a free pass on this site. Don't they display just as many homogeneous, sterile, auto-tuned qualities as some of their more evil contemporaries?
free pass? what? I like their music. I can't and won't speak for the rest of "the site" but I have a hunch most of them don't agree with my opinion. But yet they still respect my opinion on Anberlin by letting me write this review, shouldn't that be enough?
Plus, for the last fucking time, 79% is a good score. It is not a low score or a score indicative of much negativity. 5% points, as you probably agree, don't mean a whole hell of a lot in the long run.
Colto0824
08/29/08, 10:07 AM
I do know you and your friends well. You're so similar to almost every other misinformed kid posting on this site you might as well have come from a factory.
Your stubborn refusal to give the record a chance (at least from your post) because it was on a "major" label just proves how much of a fucking moronic sheep you are.
As you get older, you realize that "indie" labels function basically the EXACT same way majors do and would just like to reach into wallet as well.
Wow! You are about as bad at reading as that xe fagot! If you would of read what I posted you would know that I enjoyed this CD in spite of them being on a major label. I have listened through this album 3 times and for the most part like it more than the stuff they put out with Tooth & Nail or whoever they were with. The reason I have problems with major label bands is because they aren't talented. I'll give any band a chance. The majority of bands on major labels like Fall Out Boy, Three Days Grace, and Breaking Benjamin aren't talented but are extremely popular anyways. THAT is what pisses me off. If those bands played the same shit and were on an Indie label they would still suck. I'm proud of Anberlin for being good and on a major label. I will still proudly be wearing my Anberlin t-shirt. Don't tell me who I am or what I think. And most definitely don't tell me about my friends. None of my friends are in to any of this kind of music. Most of them don't even listen to music. I'm nothing like my friends in musical opinion so don't even mention any of my friends. Learn to read before you open your mouth.
Sic Transit Zeb
08/29/08, 10:42 AM
Wow! You are about as bad at reading as that xe fagot! If you would of read what I posted you would know that I enjoyed this CD in spite of them being on a major label. I have listened through this album 3 times and for the most part like it more than the stuff they put out with Tooth & Nail or whoever they were with. The reason I have problems with major label bands is because they aren't talented. I'll give any band a chance. The majority of bands on major labels like Fall Out Boy, Three Days Grace, and Breaking Benjamin aren't talented but are extremely popular anyways. THAT is what pisses me off. If those bands played the same shit and were on an Indie label they would still suck. I'm proud of Anberlin for being good and on a major label. I will still proudly be wearing my Anberlin t-shirt. Don't tell me who I am or what I think. And most definitely don't tell me about my friends. None of my friends are in to any of this kind of music. Most of them don't even listen to music. I'm nothing like my friends in musical opinion so don't even mention any of my friends. Learn to read before you open your mouth.
How can you say FOB is not talented? I'm not saying you have to like them, but to say they don't have any talent is just stupid.
Colto0824
08/29/08, 11:16 AM
How can you say FOB is not talented? I'm not saying you have to like them, but to say they don't have any talent is just stupid.
Above all I don't like them but in all honestly they aren't good at what they do. Patrick Stump is not a good singer. I saw them live at the Honda Civic tour a couple years back and he couldn't hit most of his notes and his voice is just freakin' annoying. Pete Wentz is just a mediocre bassist. He's no better than my little brother who has only played for a year and he taught himself(he's 12). Joe Trohman is okay... He isn't terrible... But he isn't all that good. And Andy Hurley is a boring drummer that doesn't do anything complicated. Their music is unoriginal. And all in all they aren't very good.
Disagreed with the review. This cd is much better than Cities... It's got bigger hooks, better lyrics, better everything. I'd have to call it the best album they've made yet.
i agree
xtheaudition
08/29/08, 04:24 PM
That is ridiculous.
i agree! im still gonna pick up a copy anyways! i just thought it would of gotton higher!
S9Dallasoz
08/29/08, 06:38 PM
The reason I have problems with major label bands is because they aren't talented.
Quite the generalization you've made there.
fadedmemories
08/29/08, 07:41 PM
Aoty?
buried_
08/29/08, 07:55 PM
hey Blake, i love your style of writing. I never noticed it before.
i agree with your score, but only in comparison to the standards i hold anberlin to. in comparison to most other music out there nowadays, i would definitely give a score of something in the 90's.
Colto0824
08/29/08, 08:20 PM
Quite the generalization you've made there.
Ya... You forgot I also wrote this right after. "I'll give any band a chance. The majority of bands on major labels like Fall Out Boy, Three Days Grace, and Breaking Benjamin aren't talented but are extremely popular anyways. THAT is what pisses me off." Sure it sounds bad if you take it out of context.
BuriedAlive
08/29/08, 11:01 PM
I don't know if it's been posted yet, or if I'm the only one but in the breakdown of "Breaking" (about 2:40 into the song) all I could hear was Celine Dion's "My Heart Will Go On". Hah, it made me laugh.
sean4123
08/30/08, 12:06 AM
The Resistance is probably the best "hard" song they've ever written.
That palm mute riff and the drum beat makes you wanna punch someone its so good.
There is said it.
The Resistance is probably the best "hard" song they've ever written.
That palm mute riff and the drum beat makes you wanna punch someone its so good.
There is said it.
agreed, i love the album a ton
Calling me out for the score on another review is irrelevant, but I would generally agree that Anberlin is more creative than the Maine. I spend the smallest of time figuring out those number scores. If you think the review was crap, let's talk about that.
But, in terms of Anberlin and general rock music, this doesn't turn over any new stones either.
Don't mean to offend, but that's the score that ends up everywhere. This album deserves a way higher score than that. I'm getting sick of this whole 'oh no! major label = crappy songs and albums!'. Well, it is your opinion. Sometimes now, i just think the member ratings is more credible.
For the record, i prefer the new Feel Good Drag, go on, abuse me :p
theastralpanda
09/01/08, 12:46 PM
Yeah, i thought Cities was bloody awful so I'm hoping they get a little more NTFP on this one.
johnny sniper
09/01/08, 09:03 PM
On first listen to The Resistance, I got really excited about the rest of the album.
On first listen to the rest of the album.. I started to miss Cities.
Klatzke
09/01/08, 09:11 PM
The chorus on The Resistance blows the rest of the album away.
Phil507
09/02/08, 08:54 AM
Wow! You are about as bad at reading as that xe fagot! If you would of read what I posted you would know that I enjoyed this CD in spite of them being on a major label. I have listened through this album 3 times and for the most part like it more than the stuff they put out with Tooth & Nail or whoever they were with. The reason I have problems with major label bands is because they aren't talented. I'll give any band a chance. The majority of bands on major labels like Fall Out Boy, Three Days Grace, and Breaking Benjamin aren't talented but are extremely popular anyways. THAT is what pisses me off. If those bands played the same shit and were on an Indie label they would still suck. I'm proud of Anberlin for being good and on a major label. I will still proudly be wearing my Anberlin t-shirt. Don't tell me who I am or what I think. And most definitely don't tell me about my friends. None of my friends are in to any of this kind of music. Most of them don't even listen to music. I'm nothing like my friends in musical opinion so don't even mention any of my friends. Learn to read before you open your mouth.
I probably shouldn't still be arguing with you because it would be like challenging an 80-year-old woman to a fistfight, just extremely unfair and inappropriate. Nevertheless, you continue to amaze me by basically being a walking talking cliche. You even through in some homophobic slang to prove what a tough guy you are, not realizing that's akin to dropping the "n" word.
All major label bands aren't talented? Please. I'll give you a hint. Most "indie" bands aren't that talented as well. Look, can we just accept that you're a giant cliche who demonstrates absolutely no ability to think for yourself? I'd expect this kind of nonsense out of someone who was 12-13 (maybe a few mildly retarted 14-year-olds) but at 16, it's just time to step out of that "major labels are evil! indie labels DA BOMB.COM!" line of thinking.
Phil507
09/02/08, 08:58 AM
I see what you mean, but to me, I generally believe staff review to be more judgmental and critical. I would never give an album a high score simply because it has some catchy hooks - substance and depth are important. Considering Blake is a huge Anberlin fan, he might be more critical than some would be, but isn't that what people want? Otherwise, a flimsy grade won't satisfy anyone.
Then again ... people never seem to be satisfied with scores, and really, the scores are reflected in the writing - if someone outright says "this album is great because you can sing along to it," that shouldn't determine it's score unless you have some evidence. Blake is a huge fan of the band, so objectivity is present definitely here.
Makes sense. It just can be a little frustrating that some albums are criticized for things that others are prasied for in a sense. For example, a paint-by-the-numbers-nu-metal album (like Trapt) will get a harsh review for delivering exactly what one expects while a paint-by-the-numbers-girly-psuedo-pop-punk album (All Time Low, The Maine, etc) gets a HIGHER score by...yes, providing exactly what everyone expected.
Klatzke
09/02/08, 09:20 AM
Makes sense. It just can be a little frustrating that some albums are criticized for things that others are prasied for in a sense. For example, a paint-by-the-numbers-nu-metal album (like Trapt) will get a harsh review for delivering exactly what one expects while a paint-by-the-numbers-girly-psuedo-pop-punk album (All Time Low, The Maine, etc) gets a HIGHER score by...yes, providing exactly what everyone expected.
You've got a good point, but in some releases consistency is good, while others it's bad. For example, I think this album has some serious problems because it sounds just like the rest of their stuff..
The same thing goes for pop albums, if it sounds like every other pop band, I'd take serious points off for creativity.
Entertaining and well-written review.
Honestly, I'd give it a score in the mid-80s, but to each their own.
Colto0824
09/02/08, 02:38 PM
I probably shouldn't still be arguing with you because it would be like challenging an 80-year-old woman to a fistfight, just extremely unfair and inappropriate. Nevertheless, you continue to amaze me by basically being a walking talking cliche. You even through in some homophobic slang to prove what a tough guy you are, not realizing that's akin to dropping the "n" word.
All major label bands aren't talented? Please. I'll give you a hint. Most "indie" bands aren't that talented as well. Look, can we just accept that you're a giant cliche who demonstrates absolutely no ability to think for yourself? I'd expect this kind of nonsense out of someone who was 12-13 (maybe a few mildly retarted 14-year-olds) but at 16, it's just time to step out of that "major labels are evil! indie labels DA BOMB.COM!" line of thinking.
You still make me laugh at how amazingly ignorant you are. If we are going to be bringing age into this, than I guess that I can bring up the fact that you are a 24 year old who still can't read worth shit. On top of that you are repeatedly saying moronic things based on complete ignorance. I am not a fan of major labels. When a company like Virgin sues a band for 3 million dollars or whatever it was they sued 30 Seconds To Mars for it pisses me off. The majority of major label bands suck and can't play their instruments let alone write music worth crap. There are the select few who actually got somewhere based on talent and not the mindless fan base of 12 and 13 year old girls. I don't base how I feel about a band based on their label. I've said that before and yet you are still far too dense to listen. I fully realize that lot's of indie bands are terrible. The ones that are terrible are the ones I don't listen to; but the majority of talent in the music industry comes from the indie bands. On a different note, me calling him a fagot had nothing to do with me being homophobic.
Oh, and the 80 year old woman would kick your ass.
Phil507
09/03/08, 09:46 AM
You still make me laugh at how amazingly ignorant you are. If we are going to be bringing age into this, than I guess that I can bring up the fact that you are a 24 year old who still can't read worth shit. On top of that you are repeatedly saying moronic things based on complete ignorance. I am not a fan of major labels. When a company like Virgin sues a band for 3 million dollars or whatever it was they sued 30 Seconds To Mars for it pisses me off. The majority of major label bands suck and can't play their instruments let alone write music worth crap. There are the select few who actually got somewhere based on talent and not the mindless fan base of 12 and 13 year old girls. I don't base how I feel about a band based on their label. I've said that before and yet you are still far too dense to listen. I fully realize that lot's of indie bands are terrible. The ones that are terrible are the ones I don't listen to; but the majority of talent in the music industry comes from the indie bands. On a different note, me calling him a fagot had nothing to do with me being homophobic.
Oh, and the 80 year old woman would kick your ass.
I can read perfectly, thank you.
Regarding Virgin suing 30STM, I don't know all the details but it sounds like they broke their contract. You break a contract, you have to be prepared for some sort of legal ramifications. Welcome to the real world, kiddo.
In terms of your "majority of label bands suck and can't play their instruments let alone write music worth crap" it seems a little far fetched that you can make this broad generalization about SO MANY BANDS/ARTISTS. You're too young to realize it but you're so desperately craving authenticity that you will sacrifice quality in order to get it. And, yes, using the word "fagot" is totally unacceptable and ignorant in this day in age.
fillingxsilence
09/04/08, 02:04 AM
Definitely not a fan of the re-recorded "Feel Good Drag". Perhaps thats just the screamo/hardcore lover in me - I liked it much better with the screaming. I think it sounds more raw, which i love.
I've only listened to this album a few times, but to me, it didn't have as much appeal as 'NTFP' and 'Cities' did...
losethegirl
09/04/08, 07:10 AM
My best friend and I are both HUGE Anberlin fans and we actually both thought that "Younglife" and "Haight St." are two of the catchiest songs on the album. Although "Burn Out Brighter (Northern Lights)" is definitely the low point of the album for sure.
Colto0824
09/04/08, 07:15 AM
I can read perfectly, thank you.
Regarding Virgin suing 30STM, I don't know all the details but it sounds like they broke their contract. You break a contract, you have to be prepared for some sort of legal ramifications. Welcome to the real world, kiddo.
In terms of your "majority of label bands suck and can't play their instruments let alone write music worth crap" it seems a little far fetched that you can make this broad generalization about SO MANY BANDS/ARTISTS. You're too young to realize it but you're so desperately craving authenticity that you will sacrifice quality in order to get it. And, yes, using the word "fagot" is totally unacceptable and ignorant in this day in age.
There has been no sacrifice made on my part. I have been surrounded by music all my life and am an active musician; I know the difference between a crappy and a talented band. Pretty much all of the bands that I have found that are talented and pleasant to my ear are on indie labels. If someone will point out a few decent major label bands I'd be happy to check them out but I haven't found very many at all myself. And about the word "fagot", I sincerely apologize for offending you.
cereal4life
09/04/08, 08:44 PM
There has been no sacrifice made on my part. I have been surrounded by music all my life and am an active musician; I know the difference between a crappy and a talented band. Pretty much all of the bands that I have found that are talented and pleasant to my ear are on indie labels. If someone will point out a few decent major label bands I'd be happy to check them out but I haven't found very many at all myself. And about the word "fagot", I sincerely apologize for offending you.
Death Cab for Cutie, Radiohead, Arcade Fire. There are heaps more good bands on major labels!
Colto0824
09/05/08, 08:04 AM
Death Cab is ok... But I'll give the others a listen...
albatrossflyer
09/07/08, 12:18 AM
Above all I don't like them but in all honestly they aren't good at what they do. Patrick Stump is not a good singer. I saw them live at the Honda Civic tour a couple years back and he couldn't hit most of his notes and his voice is just freakin' annoying. Pete Wentz is just a mediocre bassist. He's no better than my little brother who has only played for a year and he taught himself(he's 12). Joe Trohman is okay... He isn't terrible... But he isn't all that good. And Andy Hurley is a boring drummer that doesn't do anything complicated. Their music is unoriginal. And all in all they aren't very good.
It's so popular to hate on Fall Out Boy these days and it pisses the crap out of me. Give the critics a decade or so, and Fall Out Boy will be the best thing since duct tape, but to like them in their heyday is such a crime! Give me a break, they're not the most talented musicians ever, but they put out such better music then so many mainstream (and even a lot of indie) artists.
Patrick Stump is a great singer, I'd like to see you try to sing their stuff, and he has a phenomenal ear for melody. Stop following the crowd and think for yourself a little, huh?
Colto0824
09/07/08, 05:26 PM
It's so popular to hate on Fall Out Boy these days and it pisses the crap out of me. Give the critics a decade or so, and Fall Out Boy will be the best thing since duct tape, but to like them in their heyday is such a crime! Give me a break, they're not the most talented musicians ever, but they put out such better music then so many mainstream (and even a lot of indie) artists.
Patrick Stump is a great singer, I'd like to see you try to sing their stuff, and he has a phenomenal ear for melody. Stop following the crowd and think for yourself a little, huh?
First off, I don't care if I can sing their songs because Patrick can't sing his own songs. It's crazy how much people don't pay attention to what other people write when quoting stuff on this site. It has nothing to do with who they are, or what anyone else thinks. Patrick Stump is a terrible singer who can't sing in tune the slightest bit when live. He is not good.
Blake Solomon
09/07/08, 07:41 PM
Shhhhh now, children.
cereal4life
09/08/08, 05:42 AM
Can't we all just....get along?
radxbandit
09/11/08, 08:51 PM
i love this album. it's definitely a mainstream rock record, but they do it so much better than every other radio band (fingers crossed that they make it to the radio). the only mediocre songs on this record i think are haight st and burn out brighter. i made sure not to compare it to cities, because that record is kind of it's own entity for this band. fortunately i didn't really like NTFP too much, so feel good drag seems just like any other new track off New Surrender :p can't wait to purchase this.
Hainzey X
09/11/08, 10:55 PM
how is haight street not a single right now ?
Question. Does antyhing on New Surrender have a "There is no Math. to love/loss" or "reclusion" type of uptempo synth sound to it? I love both of those songs, and i'm just wondering if their still moving in that direction with any material.
BTW: Cities>Blueprints>NTFP...which is way to poppy, though ithad some great tracks and is still a formitable album, its staying power sucked though. There is NO WAY NTFP is better then cities or even close.
Just listened to most of the album. It's a good album, but not great. It would have been very tough to top cities--an album that may turn out to be the pinnacle of their careers.
A couple of observations: noting that I haven't listened to "breathe" or "miserable visu" yet.
-"Blame me, blame me" is underrated IMO, and is the smoothest track on the album. Great flow and very clean despite its simplicity.
- "The Resistance" is a unique track w/an edge. I love the transitions, and i'm sure it will grow on me.
- "Breaking" isn't re-inventing the wheel but its catchy.
- "Retrace" is a fantastic ballad. Anberlin is legendary with creating a sense of emotion with slower songs.
- "Feel good drag" Why again?
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Just listened to most of the album. It's a good album, but not great. It would have been very tough to top cities--an album that may turn out to be the pinnacle of their careers.
A couple of observations: noting that I haven't listened to "breathe" or "miserable visu" yet.
-"Blame me, blame me" is underrated IMO, and is the smoothest track on the album. Great flow and very clean despite its simplicity.
- "The Resistance" is a unique track w/an edge. I love the transitions, and i'm sure it will grow on me.
- "Breaking" isn't re-inventing the wheel but its catchy.
- "Retrace" is a fantastic ballad. Anberlin is legendary with creating a sense of emotion with slower songs.
- "Feel good drag" Why again?
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mattrussell1124
09/17/08, 04:26 PM
hey this review is kind of wack. based on this review i expected something that was a lot like NTFP with some corniness of Blueprints, but i got the cd and it's not like ANY other Anberlin cd. it's really good, and i love the other stuff, too. but this new cd is dynamic and much more diverse. the other cd's (cities in particular) were just a bunch of a riff, rock out with riff, get quiet for verse, rock the chorus, play the intro/get quiet for verse. they were really repetitive, but this disc has some versatility, and i respect them as musicians a lot more for this cd. And that beginning part where you mentioned you hope it fails so they go back to an indie label (i know you didn't really mean it, i'm not retarded), is wrong. stephen's made it clear that if this disc fails, anberlin is over.
mattrussell1124
09/17/08, 04:29 PM
and haight st. will definitely be playing in your local Hollister. i kind of like it.
and i'm a little disappointed you didn't even mention "disappear" unless i missed that
IMO the most diversed album yet, well done guys!
bencoles
09/25/08, 03:33 AM
I like it because it's not Cities. Some of the tracks are incredibly catchy, Haight St. and Retrace especially.
blindrider529
09/29/08, 04:18 PM
I'm excited to pick this up tomorrow!
c_rob2700
09/29/08, 04:52 PM
I don't see how anyone in their right mind would buy this over The Glass Passenger.
Enoch Ching
09/30/08, 12:24 PM
This review seems to give Anberlin a little too much credit; it's quite obvious (to me) that Cities was an album that spoke to your heart. With 'New Surrender,' i'm not quite sure what to think of it. It seems like the band is trying to prolongue the feel that 'Cities' had, but yet it ends up as being a fake-feel of what Cities did to your emotions. This album has stepped down in terms of quality and honest singing - maybe Anberlin should have given another few months or even a full year if they had the time to make more meaningful songs. Hopefully this mainstream deal won't soften their talent.
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