Putin (Russia) Accuses US of Orchestrating War ... implies for McCain.

[Jason Tate]

Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin has accused the United States of orchestrating the conflict in Georgia to benefit one of its presidential election candidates.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/08/28/russia.georgia.cold.war/index.html

Holy fuck, that's a big accusation.

[Machu505]

Bum bum ba BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUM.

[Nevuk]

It doesn't say which one....

[becauseyouwant2]

Putin has become severely unhinged. He's just pissed that the rest of the world just shit in his sandbox for trying to so something when he thought no one was paying attention. Now he is just making things up to make himself look sane. Whatever helps him sleep at night, I guess.

[AnarchyintheUS]

Didn't I already say the US instigated this conflict (Cold War revival), and it was why McCain would be elected!

;-)

[loveisdead]

This will not matter at all for the election. It doesn't suggest who Puting is talking about, and most Americans will not listen to a word that psycho has to say.

[loveisdead]

Didn't I already say the US instigated this conflict (Cold War revival), and it was why McCain would be elected!

;-)
You're terribly annoying.

[AnarchyintheUS]

You're terribly annoying.

Cos Putin backs me up?

[loveisdead]

Cos Putin backs me up?
No. Because of your stupid fucking conspiracy theories and your posts that hardly ever have any backing to them.

[Burning Star IV]

Big words.

[saysmydoctor]

Didn't I already say the US instigated this conflict (Cold War revival), and it was why McCain would be elected!

;-)
I don't know, I generally dismiss your fucking idiotic remarks due to the fact that you are the biggest fucking dipshit I've ever encountered. I'd take four captainhamptons over you.

[AnarchyintheUS]

I don't know, I generally dismiss your fucking idiotic remarks due to the fact that you are the biggest fucking dipshit I've ever encountered. I'd take four captainhamptons over you.

Do you always have to quote me?

[GiggsOho]

Didn't I already say the US instigated this conflict (Cold War revival), and it was why McCain would be elected!

;-)

This will not matter at all for the election. It doesn't suggest who Puting is talking about, and most Americans will not listen to a word that psycho has to say.

I beg to differ. None of us were around during The Cold War, we don't have anything else but history books and our elders to tell us how scary it was. My gf's father shit ten bricks during all of this, and now thinks that Russia is ready to pounce. He isn't some wack job, he is an intelligent man. It's actually very eye-opening, despite it's not a factor on why I'm voting the way I am.

I believe that some people will use this Russia thing as a means of voting for McCain.

[loveisdead]

I beg to differ. None of us were around during The Cold War, we don't have anything else but history books and our elders to tell us how scary it was. My gf's father shit ten bricks during all of this, and now thinks that Russia is ready to pounce. He isn't some wack job, he is an intelligent man. It's actually very eye-opening, despite it's not a factor on why I'm voting the way I am.

I believe that some people will use this Russia thing as a means of voting for McCain.
I think the people who see this as a reason to vote for McCain probably already planned on voting McCain. If they're voting for McCain because he's "experienced" and knows about war, then they've already had their mind made up. I know Putin is an intelligent man, I just don't think that Americans are going to heed his advice.

[GiggsOho]

I think the people who see this as a reason to vote for McCain probably already planned on voting McCain. If they're voting for McCain because he's "experienced" and knows about war, then they've already had their mind made up. I know Putin is an intelligent man, I just don't think that Americans are going to heed his advice.

Good point, I forget that my gf's dad was going to vote for McCain anyway, no matter how much I tell him it's a shit vote.

[loveisdead]

Good point, I forget that my gf's dad was going to vote for McCain anyway, no matter how much I tell him it's a shit vote.
I really think that the whole Georgia-Russia thing could only help Obama. Who did we send over there to talk with Georgia? Joe Biden. That should definitely remind people how respected Biden is in the foreign relations community, and having him on Obama's ticket totally shuts down the foreign relations attack.

[hoods]

Dude has got some balls.
I dig that shit.

[jusscali]

Dude has got some balls.
I dig that shit.
hahah he doesn't have fucking balls - hes fuckign crazy

i wouldn't past America though...

Sadly I do think that something like this would effect the American voters (the majority of which who should be stripped of the fucking right)

[loveisdead]

hahah he doesn't have fucking balls - hes fuckign crazy

i wouldn't past America though...

Sadly I do think that something like this would effect the American voters (the majority of which who should be stripped of the fucking right)
No way man. It isn't going to have that much of an effect. Like I said before, people who are going to take this into consideration already have their minds made up about voting for McCain. More people will turn to Obama due to Biden being the person sent over there to talk with the Georgians. And what the fuck are you doing in the politics forum haha, I thought this wasn't your thing

[jusscali]

No way man. It isn't going to have that much of an effect. Like I said before, people who are going to take this into consideration already have their minds made up about voting for McCain. More people will turn to Obama due to Biden being the person sent over there to talk with the Georgians. And what the fuck are you doing in the politics forum haha, I thought this wasn't your thing
It isn't but Putin's nuts. I think you underestimate how fucking stupid the vast majority of voters out there really are. I mean you already have a boat load of Hilary supporters that are willing to vote for McCain just because even though he stands for an entirely different set of values and ideas. Seriously, watching the DNC is just as bad as spending a night watching Rock of Love. The people of this country are fucked. Something like this could most certainly sway voters.

[GiggsOho]

It isn't but Putin's nuts. I think you underestimate how fucking stupid the vast majority of voters out there really are. I mean you already have a boat load of Hilary supporters that are willing to vote for McCain just because even though he stands for an entirely different set of values and ideas. Seriously, watching the DNC is just as bad as spending a night watching Rock of Love. The people of this country are fucked. Something like this could most certainly sway voters.

How the hell did you come to this conclusion?

[hoods]

How the hell did you come to this conclusion?

Because it's just a glamor show that thinks it does something.

[jusscali]

How the hell did you come to this conclusion?
It's just filled with unintentional hilarity. The nut jobs with tears in their eyes, the idealists with their hands in the air believing false promises and goofy slogans. Throw in some mind numbing commentary from the "news" reporters and its enough to keep me entertained for hours.

[loveisdead]

Because it's just a glamor show that thinks it does something.
Whether or not Obama wins or loses in the general, this day will be talked about for a very long time. The first black nominee of a major party is accepting his nomination on the 45th anniversary of Martin Luther King's I have a dream speech. This is an amazing thing we are watching.

[jusscali]

It's all a disgusting fiasco and at times I'm truly ashamed to be American. We should just use an American Idolesque show to elect our next president.

[loveisdead]

It's just filled with unintentional hilarity. The nut jobs with tears in their eyes, the idealists with their hands in the air believing false promises and goofy slogans. Throw in some mind numbing commentary from the "news" reporters and its enough to keep me entertained for hours.
The most hilarious part so far was the maraca player in Sheryl Crow's band yelling out "1-2-3-4!!!" to kick off a song and then having nothing better to do than sit there and shake his maracas.

[jusscali]

Whether or not Obama wins or loses in the general, this day will be talked about for a very long time. The first black nominee of a major party is accepting his nomination on the 45th anniversary of Martin Luther King's I have a dream speech. This is an amazing thing we are watching.
Yawn.

It all reads like one giant PR staged news event.

[Jason Tate]

It's just filled with unintentional hilarity. The nut jobs with tears in their eyes, the idealists with their hands in the air believing false promises and goofy slogans. Throw in some mind numbing commentary from the "news" reporters and its enough to keep me entertained for hours.

Apathy sure is cool.

[loveisdead]

It's all a disgusting fiasco and at times I'm truly ashamed to be American. We should just use an American Idolesque show to elect our next president.
I don't get how something like this makes you ashamed to be an American? It's used to get people excited about the election and about their candidate. Take it for what it is.

[jusscali]

The most hilarious part so far was the maraca player in Sheryl Crow's band yelling out "1-2-3-4!!!" to kick off a song and then having nothing better to do than sit there and shake his maracas.
No it's the American voters and clown politicians (puppets) that make for all the humor

[Jason Tate]

Yawn.

It all reads like one giant PR staged news event.

So ... never been to a convention of any kind before? :rolleyes:

[jusscali]

Apathy sure is cool.
I'm not trying to come off as "cool." I'm just really down and out about the situation. I'm exceedingly pleased that Biden got the bid - I'm a big fan of him. Other than that though, I'm disheartened

[loveisdead]

Yawn.

It all reads like one giant PR staged news event.
Steve, to deny the significance of this night is idiotic. The Obama candidacy will be a landmark in American History.

[jusscali]

So ... never been to a convention of any kind before? :rolleyes:
I didn't mean the actual convention...naturally that is a news event - I meant more Obama and his speech on the anniversary

[jusscali]

Steve, to deny the significance of this night is idiotic. The Obama candidacy will be a landmark in American History.
I mean in a way Tate is right...I get it, I'm just unaffected

[loveisdead]

I didn't mean the actual convention...naturally that is a news event - I meant more Obama and his speech on the anniversary
Dude, I know you're smart enough to piece those 2 things together.

[Jason Tate]

I didn't mean the actual convention...naturally that is a news event - I meant more Obama and his speech on the anniversary

Do you know how long ago the convention was planned? How the fuck do you tie that to Obama or MLK? Jesus.

[jusscali]

Dude, I know you're smart enough to piece those 2 things together.
Regardless I have to watch everything about the upcoming election for my Poli Com class so we'll see. I thought Joe did well last night. I have no idea how I'll even stomach the RNC

[loveisdead]

I mean in a way Tate is right...I get it, I'm just unaffected
He is right. I mean if you're unaffected that's cool, you have that right. It's kind of a shame though.

[loveisdead]

Regardless I have to watch everything about the upcoming election for my Poli Com class so we'll see. I thought Joe did well last night. I have no idea how I'll even stomach the RNC
RNC won't be nearly as exciting as the DNC. They just don't have the names to do it.

[jusscali]

Do you know how long ago the convention was planned? How the fuck do you tie that to Obama or MLK? Jesus.
I have no idea how they WOULD do it, nor do I think they did do it. I just said it read like it to me.

[jusscali]

RNC won't be nearly as exciting as the DNC. They just don't have the names to do it.
That and well...because there's something terribly wrong with all those people :-p

[loveisdead]

That and well...because there's something terribly wrong with all those people :-p
Oh cmon, you're excited for all the southern loonys to dance around.

[saysmydoctor]

DNC is a PR stunt? Holy shit, breakthrough.

[jusscali]

Oh cmon, you're excited for all the southern loonys to dance around.
Kid Sweitzer from Montana made my life at the DNC...fuck Hilary's "I shoulda won" speech. He was a hoot. God bless the midwest for that man

[GiggsOho]

That and well...because there's something terribly wrong with all those people :-p

Yeah, people excited about politics ought to look themselves in the mirror....

Would you rather have people crying on TV about being inspired over America, or girls inspired over Sanjaya? You can't say it's the same thing at all.

[jusscali]

Yeah, people excited about politics ought to look themselves in the mirror....

Would you rather have people crying on TV about being inspired over America, or girls inspired over Sanjaya? You can't say it's the same thing at all.
No I meant the fact they are Republican. But regardless, yeah I look at it about the same. I know it's wrong to think like that but...what can you do.

[GiggsOho]

No I meant the fact they are Republican. But regardless, yeah I look at it about the same. I know it's wrong to think like that but...what can you do.

Uhh...realize that it's wrong and you shouldn't think that way and 70,000 people packed in to a see a presidential candidate speak is a good thing?

If you are unaffected, that's one thing, don't be like "oh, wow, all these people, lol, why do they care?"

[jusscali]

Uhh...realize that it's wrong and you shouldn't think that way and 70,000 people packed in to a see a presidential candidate speak is a good thing?

If you are unaffected, that's one thing, don't be like "oh, wow, all these people, lol, why do they care?"
I'm sorry?

[*crying stars*]

What a total jackass.
Putin can shove a lot of things up his ass; why have a prime minister and a president?
Things are going downhill for Russia.

[loveisdead]

I'm sorry?
Go on aim.

[GiggsOho]

I'm sorry?

I just can't understand how you can't grasp the fact that, yeah, there is a lot of unnecessary hoopla at these things. It's been like that for years and years and years. This is what is done. It's not a bad thing.

[anamericangod]

I don't agree with the US action on this issue.

[jusscali]

I just can't understand how you can't grasp the fact that, yeah, there is a lot of unnecessary hoopla at these things. It's been like that for years and years and years. This is what is done. It's not a bad thing.
Once again it's not the event, it's the majority of the people at the event, its the people running themselves, its the people commentating it on the news.

[jusscali]

Nicholsen just come snuggle and watch the DNC with me tonight. We will see history together.

[loveisdead]

Nicholsen just come snuggle and watch the DNC with me tonight. We will see history together.
Haha fuck off. God to Braffs after Obama speaks.

[GiggsOho]

Once again it's not the event, it's the majority of the people at the event, its the people running themselves, its the people commentating it on the news.

Understood, that's why I have C-SPAN on and change it over to something non-political when someone isnt speaking.

[jusscali]

Haha fuck off. God to Braffs after Obama speaks.
Eh nah. I'll pass. No drinking for me tonight

[jusscali]

Understood, that's why I have C-SPAN on and change it over to something non-political when someone isnt speaking.
It's amazing to see how much CNN has sunk down in order to compete with FOX - once again, shameful.

[loveisdead]

It's amazing to see how much CNN has sunk down in order to compete with FOX - once again, shameful.
Gotta agree with you there. 2 opposite sides of the spectrum, but both are extremely biased.

[saysmydoctor]

CSPAN is how I get my news and I switch to MSNBC for Keith.

[loveisdead]

CSPAN is how I get my news and I switch to MSNBC for Keith.
That's the best way to go. I watched Olbermann tear into Hillary about referencing Obama's assassination on youtube the other day. He speaks so well.

[jusscali]

That's the best way to go. I watched Olbermann tear into Hillary about referencing Obama's assassination on youtube the other day. He speaks so well.
Should go back to Sportscenter hahah loved him there.

[loveisdead]

Should go back to Sportscenter hahah loved him there.
R63lypKaArg

He was good on Sports Center, but this made me love him doing what he does now.

[GiggsOho]

Should go back to Sportscenter hahah loved him there.

Olbermann and Patrick back on NBC football games this year ftw.

[windmillninja]

Makes sense for this to be an accusation of McCain. Supposing Putin's feeling the expansion bug, who do you think he'd rather face? (No, this wasn't a slam on Obama.)

[open mind]

russia has a chip on it's shoulder for sure, but i can't really blame them for it and i don't think the initial russian reaction to what georgia was attempting to do was out of line....they aren't right but they aren't wrong either at this point.
i think alot of people in the u.s. would love to paint russia as this big evil aggressor because then much of the world would have to go back to being tight with us by default......nevermind the fact that we've invaded a couple countries, started denying trials, torturing prisoners, and are continually chipping away at our own personal liberties one at a time.

[AnarchyintheUS]

russia has a chip on it's shoulder for sure ......nevermind the fact that we've invaded a couple countries, started denying trials, torturing prisoners, and are continually chipping away at our own personal liberties one at a time.

That's enough about chips.

[tait]

hot damn