Everyone Knows These Guys

[Aaron Troy]

Watch the new e-card (http://www.epitaph.com/goodies/microsite.php?url=http://media-02.epitaph.com/nofx/nofx.swf&id=311) for NOFX's upcoming greatest hits album called The Greatest Songs Ever Written (By Us) out November 9th on Epitaph.

[Flags of Dawn]

I personally cant wait for 4 more years of this band bitching about our president, while countless impressionable young teens follow suit for no reason other than "Fat Mike said so"



*note sarcasm*

[aminorthreat55]

Yeah oh well. Everyone should be involved in politics, and I see nothing wrong with the fact that bands are getting them into it, anf frankly its good that they are doing so, but I agree, "because Fat Mike says so" is a stupid reason.

[Jason Tate]

I personally cant wait for 4 more years of this band bitching about our president, while countless impressionable young teens follow suit for no reason other than "Fat Mike said so"



*note sarcasm*
As opposed to "my rich parents told me so"?

It's called the circle of influence, no one is immune. Stating that one's politics and morals are derived from one single source (albeit a band) is absurd. The only single source I see an argument for driving the majority of voters politics has been religion ..

[The Silencer]

As opposed to "my rich parents told me so"?

It's called the circle of influence, no one is immune. Stating that one's politics and morals are derived from one single source (albeit a band) is absurd. The only single source I see an argument for driving the majority of voters politics has been religion ..
thank you so much for saying that Tate, youa re seriously one of the most educated people when it comes to politics.

to djscratchnsniff(the most stupid name ever btw)-in case you weren't aware, fat mike announced the other day that this would be the alst time you would hear him speak out about politics, so shut your goddamn mouth. I apologize beforehand for being an asshole, but you have to understand that I am a big fan of NOFX and their beliefs as far as politics go.

[fluke182]

thank you so much for saying that Tate, youa re seriously one of the most educated people when it comes to politics.

to djscratchnsniff(the most stupid name ever btw)-in case you weren't aware, fat mike announced the other day that this would be the alst time you would hear him speak out about politics, so shut your goddamn mouth. I apologize beforehand for being an asshole, but you have to understand that I am a big fan of NOFX and their beliefs as far as politics go.
I bet he's shitting himself in fury right now though.

[GothamCity_hXc]

Terrible band.

[Jason Tate]

I bet the majority of the world is too....

It is almost incomprehensable to think that the majority of this country would vote for this man, and this administration. The deaths, the lies, and the pushing of one's religious moral values is just disgusting to me. It is with shock that I realize the majority of this country would want to deny those with a different sexual preference the right to marry. I can't wrap my head around that thought. I would assume I feel the same as the abolitionists did trying to convince the majority that african american's should vote and be equal, or that women should have the right to vote... I fear that my children, or my children's children, will look back on my generation with the same spite that I look upon the racists and sexists of the past.

[aminorthreat55]

I bet the majority of the world is too....

It is almost incomprehensable to think that the majority of this country would vote for this man, and this administration. The deaths, the lies, and the pushing of one's religious moral values is just disgusting to me. It is with shock that I realize the majority of this country would want to deny those with a different sexual preference the right to marry. I can't wrap my head around that thought. I would assume I feel the same as the abolitionists did trying to convince the majority that african american's should vote and be equal, or that women should have the right to vote... I fear that my children, or my children's children, will look back on my generation with the same spite that I look upon the racists and sexists of the past.

Like I said Tate, we need to run for Pres/VP

[Jason Tate]

I sincerly hope that I say, "I was wrong," more times in the next 4 years then I say, "I told you so..." - but I assure you, I will not be gloating if I am right and "win" - because it will truly mean the worst has happend.

[deadEYEDwelcome]

horrible name for it

[Cocky Caucasion]

As opposed to "my rich parents told me so"?

It's called the circle of influence, no one is immune. Stating that one's politics and morals are derived from one single source (albeit a band) is absurd. The only single source I see an argument for driving the majority of voters politics has been religion ..

honestly, I have stayed out of political discussions on this web site for so long because they don't go anywhere. No one really gives good proof about anything although Tate does seem to know a lot (and I respect him for that). There have been countless discussions over nothing. It's almost annoying. I will say this now, I am a republican but because of that I am not ignorant and nor do I feel that because I am republican that I must vote for Bush. I looked into both candidates for a long time. I threw out my parents opinions, I threw out my friends opinions, I threw out everyons opinion except my own. I came to the conclusion that Bush would be the best for our country.

I believe that Kerry had great a great plan for Education and I also agreed with Kerry's Pro-Choice. Those are some of the things I liked about Kerry but the rest of what he was going to do seemed vague or impossible. He just didn't do it for me.
Bush has good values (I know you've heard that before), he says what's on his mind and he sticks with a decision. I dont agree with the war, I think we went about it the wrong way, but I truly believe he's the only one who can get us out. I believe Kerry was all talk when it came down to it.
Thats basically a little summary so I wont have to type a novel (too late).

Bash me all you want. Call me an idiot but chances are I'm more well informed and open minded then you are. I never went around and bashed people for liking a candidate unless they were following a trend. I believe in opinions and everyone should have one as long as they know what they are talking about. I bashed Bush supporters and kerry supporters alike because alot of them didnt know shit about what was going on.

Thats my opinion. Peace. <3

[DooDooBird]

more than half US citizens are republicans... do these bands (and you Jason) realize they offend some of their fans by calling republicans rich rednecks and racist homophobes... or whatever other shit is said about them? republicans are not bad people.

[[Brendan]]

honestly, I have stayed out of political discussions on this web site for so long because they don't go anywhere. No one really gives good proof about anything although Tate does seem to know a lot (and I respect him for that). There have been countless discussions over nothing. It's almost annoying. I will say this now, I am a republican but because of that I am not ignorant and nor do I feel that because I am republican that I must vote for Bush. I looked into both candidates for a long time. I threw out my parents opinions, I threw out my friends opinions, I threw out everyons opinion except my own. I came to the conclusion that Bush would be the best for our country.

I believe that Kerry had great a great plan for Education and I also agreed with Kerry's Pro-Choice. Those are some of the things I liked about Kerry but he just didnt do it for me.
Bush has good values (I know you've heard that before), he says what's on his mind and he sticks with a decision. I dont agree with the war, I think we went about it the wrong way, but I truly believe he's the only one who can get us out. I believe Kerry was all talk when it came down to it.

Bash me all you want. Call me an idiot but chances are I'm more well informed and open minded then you are. I just thought Id summarize it there. Give my opinion since Kerry gave up.

I don't think your an idiot, you seem to have evaluated both sides and come to your own conclusion as who you wanted to vote for, and not been goaded (http://www.hyperdictionary.com/dictionary/goaded) into voted for either Kerry or Bush by listening to other people's opinions. Which in my opinion is how everyone should decide.

[Death 2 Traitor]

I bet the majority of the world is too....

It is almost incomprehensable to think that the majority of this country would vote for this man, and this administration. The deaths, the lies, and the pushing of one's religious moral values is just disgusting to me. It is with shock that I realize the majority of this country would want to deny those with a different sexual preference the right to marry. I can't wrap my head around that thought. I would assume I feel the same as the abolitionists did trying to convince the majority that african american's should vote and be equal, or that women should have the right to vote... I fear that my children, or my children's children, will look back on my generation with the same spite that I look upon the racists and sexists of the past.

You can thank me for my vote for GEORGE W BUSH...a great man

[Adrian Villagomez]

I bet the majority of the world is too....

It is almost incomprehensable to think that the majority of this country would vote for this man, and this administration. The deaths, the lies, and the pushing of one's religious moral values is just disgusting to me. It is with shock that I realize the majority of this country would want to deny those with a different sexual preference the right to marry. I can't wrap my head around that thought. I would assume I feel the same as the abolitionists did trying to convince the majority that african american's should vote and be equal, or that women should have the right to vote... I fear that my children, or my children's children, will look back on my generation with the same spite that I look upon the racists and sexists of the past.

This is the same way I feel about gay marriage. Just like African-Americans were freed and given equal rights (even though some people still can't accept it), gay marriage is going to eventually be legal, and future generations are going to wonder why the hell it wasn't legal all along.

[aminorthreat55]

This is the same way I feel about gay marriage. Just like African-Americans were freed and given equal rights (even though some people still can't accept it), gay marriage is going to eventually be legal, and future generations are going to wonder why the hell it wasn't legal all along.

Correct. In the history of our country, Civil Rights continues to progress. From the end of slavery, womens rights, civil rights movement in the 1960s, etc. The country continues to progress socially, especially with rights of the people. I expect that to continue, maybe not short-term, but long-term.

[adelphi_rocks]

what i've learned in the past few days from the posts on this site is, people from other countries know a hell of a lot more about the U.S. government than i do.Ithink Jason should get an award for puting up with all the shit people post about him and this site. oh well, back on topic, i might get this cd, the 24 page booklet looks interesting.

[punkerx99]

more than half US citizens are republicans... do these bands (and you Jason) realize they offend some of their fans by calling republicans rich rednecks and racist homophobes... or whatever other shit is said about them? republicans are not bad people.


agreed. I stopped seriously paying attention to NOFX when The War On Errorism came out. I'm also sick of bands trying to slip in "fuck bush" lines in the middle of their shows. Thank goodness we won't have to hear this stuff anymore.

[djUbilla]

honestly, I have stayed out of political discussions on this web site for so long because they don't go anywhere. No one really gives good proof about anything although Tate does seem to know a lot (and I respect him for that). There have been countless discussions over nothing. It's almost annoying. I will say this now, I am a republican but because of that I am not ignorant and nor do I feel that because I am republican that I must vote for Bush. I looked into both candidates for a long time. I threw out my parents opinions, I threw out my friends opinions, I threw out everyons opinion except my own. I came to the conclusion that Bush would be the best for our country.

I believe that Kerry had great a great plan for Education and I also agreed with Kerry's Pro-Choice. Those are some of the things I liked about Kerry but the rest of what he was going to do seemed vague or impossible. He just didn't do it for me.
Bush has good values (I know you've heard that before), he says what's on his mind and he sticks with a decision. I dont agree with the war, I think we went about it the wrong way, but I truly believe he's the only one who can get us out. I believe Kerry was all talk when it came down to it.
Thats basically a little summary so I wont have to type a novel (too late).

Bash me all you want. Call me an idiot but chances are I'm more well informed and open minded then you are. I never went around and bashed people for liking a candidate unless they were following a trend. I believe in opinions and everyone should have one as long as they know what they are talking about. I bashed Bush supporters and kerry supporters alike because alot of them didnt know shit about what was going on.

Thats my opinion. Peace. <3
You're the man. I'm really impressed with what you had to say and how you said it.

But what values do you think Bush portrays that Kerry doesn't/never had a chance to?

Nevermind, I guess it's really pointless to dwell on it.

I would tell everybody that wants to waste their breath saying Kery would have been better, to go out and look at local politics, see how you can change things close to home. The chain of influence is strong. It might take some time, but if you can make a change at home, it'll ripple. I'm e-mailing Jim DeMint this weekend and asking him how he expects me to pay for things with a 23% sales tax. Wish me luck.

[SlowDescent]

NOFX is awesome

[Cocky Caucasion]

You're the man. I'm really impressed with what you had to say and how you said it.

But what values do you think Bush portrays that Kerry doesn't/never had a chance to?

Nevermind, I guess it's really pointless to dwell on it.

I would tell everybody that wants to waste their breath saying Kery would have been better, to go out and look at local politics, see how you can change things close to home. The chain of influence is strong. It might take some time, but if you can make a change at home, it'll ripple. I'm e-mailing Jim DeMint this weekend and asking him how he expects me to pay for things with a 23% sales tax. Wish me luck.

thank you. I guess Bush was just more open and straight forward about his beliefs rather then Kerry. Plus I agree with you, I think everyone should get involved in local politics too try to help the area's around you. It really does work and helps the community.

[70x7]

You're the man. I'm really impressed with what you had to say and how you said it.

But what values do you think Bush portrays that Kerry doesn't/never had a chance to?

Nevermind, I guess it's really pointless to dwell on it.

I would tell everybody that wants to waste their breath saying Kery would have been better, to go out and look at local politics, see how you can change things close to home. The chain of influence is strong. It might take some time, but if you can make a change at home, it'll ripple. I'm e-mailing Jim DeMint this weekend and asking him how he expects me to pay for things with a 23% sales tax. Wish me luck.

Jim DeMint's 23% sales tax which will not even happen, and even has backing by both Republicans and Democrats is in lieu of income taxes. It sucks if you don't have a job, and it might suck anyways, but first of all, that was just propaganda from Tennenbaum saying that it is going to happen, and secondly, if you have a job and this tax were ever to be implemented, you probably would pay less anyways.

[Sinister Rouge]

The Idiots Are Taking Over now has even more relevance....

Congrats America....you voted for destruction.

[Flags of Dawn]

first, i never said anything about a general circle of influence. The origin of this post was about NOFX, so I talked about NOFX. Quit trying to put words into my mouth.


And second, I dont like NOFX, so have your opinions, fine, but you cant deny that this band has all but brainwashed kids who knew nothing about politics before, I can only hope that they'll eventually grow out of it and begin to vote for their own reasons. But thats a point Ive made many times before.

plus making fun of someones screen name is a good argument for anything. Thats like saying my opinion means less because my favorite band isnt the same as yours. Grow up.

[Jason Tate]

first, i never said anything about a general circle of influence. The origin of this post was about NOFX, so I talked about NOFX. Quit trying to put words into my mouth.


And second, I dont like NOFX, so have your opinions, fine, but you cant deny that this band has all but brainwashed kids who knew nothing about politics before, I can only hope that they'll eventually grow out of it and begin to vote for their own reasons. But thats a point Ive made many times before.

plus making fun of someones screen name is a good argument for anything. Thats like saying my opinion means less because my favorite band isnt the same as yours. Grow up.
I can very well deny it. Because if you are going to say that minds are so impressionable that a band was able to "brainwash" the select few that listen to nofx, then I'm going to come back and claim that anything and everything that has ever been pro Bush has brainwashed the larger majority of media viewers. Come on, using the term brainwashed is wrong: regardless of who you support. Unless you want me calling you a religious brainwashed cretin, don't call liberals fat mike brainwashees.

[aminorthreat55]

I can very well deny it. Because if you are going to say that minds are so impressionable that a band was able to "brainwash" the select few that listen to nofx, then I'm going to come back and claim that anything and everything that has ever been pro Bush has brainwashed the larger majority of media viewers. Come on, using the term brainwashed is wrong: regardless of who you support. Unless you want me calling you a religious brainwashed cretin, don't call liberals fat mike brainwashees.

:appl:

I couldn't have said it better myself.

[Flags of Dawn]

I can very well deny it. Because if you are going to say that minds are so impressionable that a band was able to "brainwash" the select few that listen to nofx, then I'm going to come back and claim that anything and everything that has ever been pro Bush has brainwashed the larger majority of media viewers. Come on, using the term brainwashed is wrong: regardless of who you support. Unless you want me calling you a religious brainwashed cretin, don't call liberals fat mike brainwashees.
actually i didnt say he brainwashed them, i said he all but brainwashed them.

[xJbx]

Tate wins the debate.

I'm interested to see if this moral trend will continue in future elections, or if the damage the Bush administration is poised to do will result in a backlash due to problems with the economy and the Iraq war.

Bush has some work cut out for him.

[aminorthreat55]

Tate wins the debate.

I'm interested to see if this moral trend will continue in future elections, or if the damage the Bush administration is poised to do will result in a backlash due to problems with the economy and the Iraq war.

Bush has some work cut out for him.

http://www.markfiore.com/animation/prizes.html

[aminorthreat55]

P.S. watch that, its great.

[Sinister Rouge]

P.S. watch that, its great.

and almost all these problems Bush has caused....and this idiot nation is stupid enough to elect him...dumb evangelicals.

[conditionalstop]

You can thank me for my vote for GEORGE W BUSH...a great man
thank me too

[conditionalstop]

I bet the majority of the world is too....

It is almost incomprehensable to think that the majority of this country would vote for this man, and this administration. The deaths, the lies, and the pushing of one's religious moral values is just disgusting to me. It is with shock that I realize the majority of this country would want to deny those with a different sexual preference the right to marry. I can't wrap my head around that thought. I would assume I feel the same as the abolitionists did trying to convince the majority that african american's should vote and be equal, or that women should have the right to vote... I fear that my children, or my children's children, will look back on my generation with the same spite that I look upon the racists and sexists of the past.
if your talking about the constitutional amendment to define marriage as an institution between a man and a women, you have your facts totally wrong. that amendment is not about hating on gay people. its about protecting the right for the people of this nation to make there own choice, state by state, on gay marriage and not having that choice made for them by rouge judges who are trying to create law, not interprut it. judges like the ones from the massachusetts supreme court forced the legislature to recognize it. its not for the courts to choose, its the peoples decision. and if im not mistaken 11 states had amendments for this on their ballots, and all were approved.

[Cocky Caucasion]

and almost all these problems Bush has caused....and this idiot nation is stupid enough to elect him...dumb evangelicals.

wow, you're making some excellent points

[xJbx]

P.S. watch that, its great.

That cartoon was awesome. I can't beleive that such an overwhelming amount of uninformed people have put the fate of the nation, and the world, in the hands of a complete failure of a human being. I pray that Bush can pull something together. I could say to all the Bush supporters that I hope they all wallow in the shit hole they've created, but this time I really want Bush to do a good job, for our sake. But if the state of Texas, Iraq, Osama Bin Laden, the economy, and the Texas Rangers are any indication, we're fucked.

[xJbx]

if your talking about the constitutional amendment to define marriage as an institution between a man and a women, you have your facts totally wrong. that amendment is not about hating on gay people. its about protecting the right for the people of this nation to make there own choice, state by state, on gay marriage and not having that choice made for them by rouge judges who are trying to create law, not interprut it. judges like the ones from the massachusetts supreme court forced the legislature to recognize it. its not for the courts to choose, its the peoples decision. and if im not mistaken 11 states had amendments for this on their ballots, and all were approved.

You don't make a lick of sense. You say "...its about protecting the right for the people of this nation to make there own choice, state by state...", and this is an argument IN FAVOR of a constitutional amendment? If you believed that states should make the decision for themselves, you would respect states rights and not use the constitution to deny civil liberties at a federal level. And I really hope that this is presented before Congress, because I can't wait to watch it crash and burn once it hits the Senate.

[Jason Tate]

if your talking about the constitutional amendment to define marriage as an institution between a man and a women, you have your facts totally wrong. that amendment is not about hating on gay people. its about protecting the right for the people of this nation to make there own choice, state by state, on gay marriage and not having that choice made for them by rouge judges who are trying to create law, not interprut it. judges like the ones from the massachusetts supreme court forced the legislature to recognize it. its not for the courts to choose, its the peoples decision. and if im not mistaken 11 states had amendments for this on their ballots, and all were approved.
When did rights become "choices" - I thought they were rights just because you were alive, breathing, and living in this country. Inalienable is the word I think is used most often ...

[Tony]

if your talking about the constitutional amendment to define marriage as an institution between a man and a women, you have your facts totally wrong. that amendment is not about hating on gay people. its about protecting the right for the people of this nation to make there own choice, state by state, on gay marriage and not having that choice made for them by rouge judges who are trying to create law, not interprut it. judges like the ones from the massachusetts supreme court forced the legislature to recognize it. its not for the courts to choose, its the peoples decision. and if im not mistaken 11 states had amendments for this on their ballots, and all were approved.
What the fuck!? That was quite a spin you TRIED to put on the idea of a constitutional amendment.

To say that it's not about "hating on gay people" shows that you have absolutely no perspective on the matter. You think it's just "protecting" your right to marry the opposite sex, whether in love or not. But at the same time, you have an entire portion of the population who are being denied their right to the pursuit of happiness. It's unconstitutional in every sense of the word, and that's wrong.

To be perfectly honest, I'm more disappointed in the outcome of the 11 states that voted on this matter than I am in the outcome of the presidential race. I wasn't actually voting for Kerry as much as I was voting against Bush. I think Kerry would have been less of a fuck-up, but only slightly. But seeing these 11 states pass this highly discriminatory, hate-filled legislation is heartbreaking and just goes to show that people don't really care about what's actually in the Constitution. Unless it involves guns, of course.

Oh, and I heart NOFX. But I won't be buying this collection because I already have all their stuff anyway and a booklet isn't going to be enough to sell me on the idea.

[MattyD]

I thought punk rock was supposed to be about addressing social and political issues. I guess times have changed.