Fat mike should shut his fat friggin' mouth

[yeat182]

"We gave it our best shot. Senator Kerry today said that now we need to come together and heal as a nation. FUCK THAT. There's no fucking way I am going to come together with these homophobic, flag-waving, god-fearing, gun-toting, uneducated, isolationist, ethnocentric REDNECKS. We live in a country that's in a shroud of ignorance." - Fat Mike on punkvoter.com

who is the ignorant one?

[dretti]

Wow, just wow. Fat Mike should not be aloud to voice anything on politics. Even his reasoning does not make sense

[_astheruinfalls]

I generaly don't mind Fat Mike too much.

But I will agree, he's getting a little crazy.

And how are the right God fearing? That's a little stupid.

[dretti]

I generaly don't mind Fat Mike too much.

But I will agree, he's getting a little crazy.

And how are the right God fearing? That's a little stupid.


Thats what I was saying about his reasoning, the right are the religious people?

[ohlookitspaul]

I generaly don't mind Fat Mike too much.

But I will agree, he's getting a little crazy.

And how are the right God fearing? That's a little stupid.
well, aren't christians supposed to fear god as well as love him? like, a god-fearing christian was a good christian. that's what i was taught when i used to be a southern baptist.

[turtlefootrx]

well, aren't christians supposed to fear god as well as love him? like, a god-fearing christian was a good christian. that's what i was taught when i used to be a southern baptist.

thats how i was brought up. that was before science came into my life and made things more complicated.

[shrguy]

YEAH... i'm sure he knows soooooo much more than the all of the 58 million people that voted for him.

fuck off you ignorant asshole

[Mercy Medical]

well, aren't christians supposed to fear god as well as love him? like, a god-fearing christian was a good christian. that's what i was taught when i used to be a southern baptist.
Not necessarily...not all "good" Christians are God fearing. And frankly, I don't believe there's such a thing as a "good" Christian...everyone makes mistakes.

I fuckin' hate people who take religion so damn gung ho. My parents are fairly religious, but not fuckin' crazy about it.

[yeat182]

regardless of who fears which god, i hope this puts an end to fat mike. there is no reason why anyone should listen to someone that promotes that sort of intolerance.

[Mercy Medical]

I'm really getting sick of hearing everyone's bitching about the election, Bush is gonna be president for the next 4 years...accept it and move on with your lives....seriously. :P

Regardless of the fact if you like him or not, there's nothing you can really do about it anymore.

[Jason Tate]

"We gave it our best shot. Senator Kerry today said that now we need to come together and heal as a nation. FUCK THAT. There's no fucking way I am going to come together with these homophobic, flag-waving, god-fearing, gun-toting, uneducated, isolationist, ethnocentric REDNECKS. We live in a country that's in a shroud of ignorance." - Fat Mike on punkvoter.com

who is the ignorant one?
Just for fun ..

http://chrisevans3d.com/files/iq.htm

Least he is sort of right...

[_astheruinfalls]

Hahahaha.

[Mercy Medical]

Just for fun ..

http://chrisevans3d.com/files/iq.htm

Least he is sort of right...
Okay, I have to admit...that was pretty damn funny. But it is true, Bush got all the southern states and well, ya...lol

[venus/bacchus]

Just for fun ..

http://chrisevans3d.com/files/iq.htm

Least he is sort of right...
I'm sure that's about as scientific as it gets too...

"This data has been published in the Economist and the St. Petersburg Times, though this does not mean it should be taken as fact."

[punklet2101]

I don't believe there's such a thing as a "good" Christian...everyone makes mistakes

That's true.

I was taught what Paul said, too

[Mercy Medical]

That's true.

I was taught what Paul said, too
See, I was never taught that. I never felt like I should fear god. I was always taught that God loved everyone, regardless, so why should I have any reason to fear him? I see it somewhat in the same perspective as my parents. I don't fear my parents, but I don't want to disappoint them.

[yeat182]

Just for fun ..

http://chrisevans3d.com/files/iq.htm

Least he is sort of right...

heh

[turtlefootrx]

I'm really getting sick of hearing everyone's bitching about the election, Bush is gonna be president for the next 4 years...accept it and move on with your lives....seriously. :P

Regardless of the fact if you like him or not, there's nothing you can really do about it anymore.

i said this in a different thread and people assumed i was mad. i was just stating the point.

[BrandNew20]

Just for fun ..

http://chrisevans3d.com/files/iq.htm

Least he is sort of right...

yes, haha.

[left_punk]

Fat Mikes not fat, he's just big boned.

[venus/bacchus]

Fat Mikes not fat, he's just big boned.
He's not fat, he's just thickheaded.

[left_punk]

He's not fat, he's just thickheaded.
Yeah, that too

[richter915]

He's not fat, he's just thickheaded.
I dunno who's more thickheaded...him or sean hannity.

I don't think people should look at fat mike like he's the spokesman of all liberals...he's far far far far to the left and there are people who like that. I don't think you can really challenge everything he said but...it's Fat mike...what did you expect?

[venus/bacchus]

I dunno who's more thickheaded...him or sean hannity.

I don't think people should look at fat mike like he's the spokesman of all liberals...he's far far far far to the left and there are people who like that. I don't think you can really challenge everything he said but...it's Fat mike...what did you expect?
I wouldn't ever claim that Sean Hannity isn't thickheaded. They're both extremists of their respective parties, which spells disaster the majority of the time.

[Love As Arson]

Christians don't exist.

[venus/bacchus]

Christians don't exist.
elaborate please

[Love As Arson]

I don't think there is anyone that follows the true Christian faith that Christ taught. It has been tainted by humanity and turned into a tool in which people with power can achieve things such as control of who gets elected.
If Christ could see what his faith has turned into, he would be disgusted.

[yeat182]

I don't think there is anyone that follows the true Christian faith that Christ taught. It has been tainted by humanity and turned into a tool in which people with power can achieve things such as control of who gets elected.
If Christ could see what his faith has turned into, he would be disgusted.

Da Vinci Code?

[cal1082]

I don't think there is anyone that follows the true Christian faith that Christ taught. It has been tainted by humanity and turned into a tool in which people with power can achieve things such as control of who gets elected.
If Christ could see what his faith has turned into, he would be disgusted.

I'd disagree and say there are many, many who try and follow what Christ taught.

[SkaBum14]

I'd disagree and say there are many, many who try and follow what Christ taught.

Same here.

[Love As Arson]

I'd disagree and say there are many, many who try and follow what Christ taught.
I'd say there are those who think they are following what Christ taught, but in reality, are not.

Da Vinci Code?
Never read it.

[cal1082]

I'd say there are those who think they are following what Christ taught, but in reality, are not.


Never read it.

i agree. i just think it's unfair to say, "I don't think there is there is anyone that follows the true Christian faith that Christ taught."

[venus/bacchus]

I don't think there is anyone that follows the true Christian faith that Christ taught. It has been tainted by humanity and turned into a tool in which people with power can achieve things such as control of who gets elected.
If Christ could see what his faith has turned into, he would be disgusted.
I think it's pretty arrogant and assumptive of you to believe that there are no people who actually follow the teachings of Jesus and don't get wrapped up in the actual religion. Granted, there are many, many people who have corrupted the faith, but there are still a great number who are genuine and open.

[yeat182]

Never read it.


its a good read, he talks alot about how the church distorted the teachings of chirst.

[cal1082]

its a good read, he talks alot about how the church distorted the teachings of chirst.

I was gonna mention to you before since I knew you read that book. I saw a book that was suppose to be a refute to the Divinci Code. I cant remember the name but I was gonna see if you heard of it, or read it, and if you havent thought it might be interesting to see the other side.

[richter915]

I think it's pretty arrogant and assumptive of you to believe that there are no people who actually follow the teachings of Jesus and don't get wrapped up in the actual religion. Granted, there are many, many people who have corrupted the faith, but there are still a great number who are genuine and open.
and those people...those few good people...their voices are drowned out by the deafening screams of "praise the lord...or die" and "hallelujah and fuck fallujah!" (I made these up right now, I'm so clever)...these extremists often found in the Bible Belt South who DO inflict fear in others...and it's not a few...it's 110 million strong and growing...it's something to take note of. Having a Born-again christian in office who, yes is less extremist than the uber Christian Rightists, but is still someone who feels that his position was given to him from God...and I'm not arguing that an uber liberal society is the way to go...

moderation is the key.

[richter915]

I was gonna mention to you before since I knew you read that book. I saw a book that was suppose to be a refute to the Divinci Code. I cant remember the name but I was gonna see if you heard of it, or read it, and if you havent thought it might be interesting to see the other side.
the da vinci code was pretty amazing. Check out Angels and Demons...it really goes deep into the split between science and faith...great read.

[yeat182]

I was gonna mention to you before since I knew you read that book. I saw a book that was suppose to be a refute to the Divinci Code. I cant remember the name but I was gonna see if you heard of it, or read it, and if you havent thought it might be interesting to see the other side.

let me know if you find out the name, i'd like to check it out.

[venus/bacchus]

I was gonna mention to you before since I knew you read that book. I saw a book that was suppose to be a refute to the Divinci Code. I cant remember the name but I was gonna see if you heard of it, or read it, and if you havent thought it might be interesting to see the other side.
They have an entire stand right when you walk in the store of about 10 books that refute the Da Vinci Code at the Barnes and Nobles here. And a lot of websites (some good, some bad) dedicated to it.

If you're interested, I've heard good things about Da Vinci Code Decoded by Martin Lunn and The Truth Behind the Da Vinci Code by Richard Abnes
and those people...those few good people...their voices are drowned out by the deafening screams of "praise the lord...or die" and "hallelujah and fuck fallujah!" (I made these up right now, I'm so clever)...these extremists often found in the Bible Belt South who DO inflict fear in others...and it's not a few...it's 110 million strong and growing...it's something to take note of. Having a Born-again christian in office who, yes is less extremist than the uber Christian Rightists, but is still someone who feels that his position was given to him from God...and I'm not arguing that an uber liberal society is the way to go...

moderation is the key.
I don't think Bush has ever claimed that he was elected president because that's what God wanted. He may have said that he believes he's doing what God wishes him to, but I don't think he's said he was appointed by God. And yet again we agree that extremists are terrible.

[richter915]

They have an entire stand right when you walk in the store of about 10 books that refute the Da Vinci Code at the Barnes and Nobles here. And a lot of websites (some good, some bad) dedicated to it.

If you're interested, I've heard good things about Da Vinci Code Decoded by Martin Lunn and The Truth Behind the Da Vinci Code by Richard Abnes

I don't think Bush has ever claimed that he was elected president because that's what God wanted. He may have said that he believes he's doing what God wishes him to, but I don't think he's said he was appointed by God. And yet again we agree that extremists are terrible.
I haven't checked out much against the da vinci code but I def. will...thanks (even though you aimed that to cal...heh).

I know...I mixed it up...but my point was that many parts of the US are still so conservative because they fear moving forward due to their faith. I think there are some 11 states in the US where the word "evolution" is not allowed to be spoken in public schools.

[_astheruinfalls]

Bush has claimed he believes God has appointed him to lead this country.

Da Vinci Code was a very good read. Even if he made some half truths and what not, the book itself was still very good.

[KGRGTheDon]

It's not fear as in "scared" fear. There really isn't an english word for what the hebrew was, but it more means "To have a deep, true respect for". Scared-type fear is a part of that innately.

[Love As Arson]

i agree. i just think it's unfair to say, "I don't think there is there is anyone that follows the true Christian faith that Christ taught."
I believe that those who aren't truly following the word of Christ are the vast majority of those who claim to be Christian.

[venus/bacchus]

I haven't checked out much against the da vinci code but I def. will...thanks (even though you aimed that to cal...heh).

I know...I mixed it up...but my point was that many parts of the US are still so conservative because they fear moving forward due to their faith. I think there are some 11 states in the US where the word "evolution" is not allowed to be spoken in public schools.
Just when I was reading the Da Vinci Code I noticed some things wrong with his "truths" based solely on a few years in high school of church history. There's a lot out there. There was also a really good Discover article a while back about the divine proportion and how he made up (or had virtually no evidence) the bulk of what he said was true.

Faith can definitely cause a lot of problems (like those you listed), but I think in general, most people are very realistic about their religion. The extremists give everything a bad name. Not every Christian takes the Bible literally.
Bush has claimed he believes God has appointed him to lead this country.

Da Vinci Code was a very good read. Even if he made some half truths and what not, the book itself was still very good.
quote please, I don't remember this

I actually didn't like the book as much as I thought I would (maybe I hyped it up in my head too much?). I was really into the first 3/4 and whizzed through it, then I got to the end and really hated it. It was dragged on so long and had the most boring, predictable ending possible. To anyone who hasn't read it, read the first three quarters, then ask someone else how it ends. You'll be much happier.

[richter915]

I actually didn't like the book as much as I thought I would (maybe I hyped it up in my head too much?). I was really into the first 3/4 and whizzed through it, then I got to the end and really hated it. It was dragged on so long and had the most boring, predictable ending possible. To anyone who hasn't read it, read the first three quarters, then ask someone else how it ends. You'll be much happier.
that's definitely true about the ending...a lot of hype which builds up to blehhh. I again suggest dan brown's angels and demons...it's so much better in every which way.

[_astheruinfalls]

I'm still looking, but this is as close as I am right now.

http://zzpat.tripod.com/cvb/oct_2004/bush_god_speaks_through_me.html

[_astheruinfalls]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1332877,00.html

Just a little humor.

[yeat182]

Just when I was reading the Da Vinci Code I noticed some things wrong with his "truths" based solely on a few years in high school of church history. There's a lot out there. There was also a really good Discover article a while back about the divine proportion and how he made up (or had virtually no evidence) the bulk of what he said was true.


i don't think he made up the divine proportion, i've read/heard about that years ago, well before the book came out.

[venus/bacchus]

I'm still looking, but this is as close as I am right now.

http://zzpat.tripod.com/cvb/oct_2004/bush_god_speaks_through_me.html
If this article is true, it's not something I like to hear Bush saying, but I'll take it with a grain of salt because it's a tripod site, and it's only being reported that he said that, there is no audio or video.
i don't think he made up the divine proportion, i've read/heard about that years ago, well before the book came out.
I know he didn't make it up, but a lot of what he said about it wasn't true. Off the top of my head, there is no evidence that it was used in the Mona Lisa, and the ratio of the distance from the top of your head to the floor, and your belly button to the floor is different for all people and incredibly arbitrary. He also used the actual numerical number as opposed to the irrational number, which is big math no-no. I'll dig up the article if I can.

EDIT: I have the link, but I'm not sure you'll be able to read it unless you're a member. I'll paste in some highlights later.
https://www.discover.com/issues/jun-04/features/cracking-the-da-vinci-code/

[venus/bacchus]

Just a few things the article claims are false or not supported by hard evidence:

"Certainly, the oft-repeated assertion that the Parthenon is based on the golden ratio is not supported by actual measurements. In fact, the entire story about the Greeks and the golden ratio seems to be without foundation. The one thing we know for sure is that Euclid, in his famous textbook Elements, written around 300 B.C., showed how to calculate its value. But he seemed more interested in the mathematics than the architecture, for he gave the golden ratio a decidedly unromantic label: extreme and mean ratio."

All of the following are either false or unsubstantiated referring to the golden ratio, not all are in the book, but have been perpetuated as true in some form or another:
The Egyptian pyramids were constructed using the golden ratio.

Some Egyptian tombs were constructed using the golden ratio.

Some stone tablets show the Babylonians knew about the golden ratio.

The cubists based much of their work on the golden ratio.

The Secretariat building at the United Nations headquarters in New York comprises a stack of three golden rectangles.

Some Gregorian chants are based on the golden ratio.

Mozart used the golden ratio in some of his music.

Béla Bartók used the golden ratio in some of his music.

The poet Virgil based the meter of his poem The Aeneid on the golden ratio.

"Whether or not the ancient Greeks felt that the golden ratio was the most perfect proportion for a rectangle, many modern humans do not. Numerous tests have failed to show that most observers prefer any one rectangle, and preferences are easily influenced by other factors."

"In his Harvard lecture, Langdon says: “Measure the distance from the tip of your head to the floor. Then divide that by the distance from your belly button to the floor. Guess what number you get.” His answer is φ. Why is this spurious? First of all, you won’t get exactly the number φ. You never can; remember, f is irrational. But in the case of measuring the human body, there is a lot of variation. True, the answers will always be fairly close to 1.6. But there’s nothing special about 1.6. Why not say the answer is 1.603? Or 1.698? More to the point, there’s no reason to divide the human body by the navel. If you spend a half hour or so taking measurements of various parts of the body and tabulating the results, you will find any number of pairs of figures whose ratio is close to 1.6—or 1.2. Or 1.8."

"The oft-repeated claims (which appear again in The Da Vinci Code) that Leonardo da Vinci believed the golden ratio is the ratio of the height of a perfect human face to its width and that he used φ in his drawing Vitruvian Man, which has a prominent role in the early part of Brown’s novel, seem to be without foundation. So, too, are the equally common claims that Sandro Botticelli used φ to proportion Venus in his famous painting The Birth of Venus and that Georges Seurat based his painting The Side Show on φ."

Well that's about it, it's a good read if you can access the site, but if not, all the claims you need to know are above. He also talks about the cases in which the divine proportion is definitely used, but I couldn't exactly paste the whole article in, and the point was to show the falsities of the novel.

[PunkDrums182]

Just for fun ..

http://chrisevans3d.com/files/iq.htm

Least he is sort of right...
I have a pretty high IQ but that doesnt meant i know a hell of alot about politics... because i dont, so can you really judge political views on IQ?

[Love As Arson]

I think it's pretty arrogant and assumptive of you to believe that there are no people who actually follow the teachings of Jesus and don't get wrapped up in the actual religion. Granted, there are many, many people who have corrupted the faith, but there are still a great number who are genuine and open.
The people you speak of are in the minority.

[Brit_Ben]

how ironic that fat mikes 'rock against bush' cds are created with money the company recieves from the government. Propagandi made a song for the cd about it, but obviously they didnt put it on.

[yeat182]

how ironic that fat mikes 'rock against bush' cds are created with money the company recieves from the government. Propagandi made a song for the cd about it, but obviously they didnt put it on.

haha, that is great

[richter915]

how ironic that fat mikes 'rock against bush' cds are created with money the company recieves from the government. Propagandi made a song for the cd about it, but obviously they didnt put it on.
ya there's always gonna be that irony surrounding "true" punks like fat mike/NOFX. If they really wanted to make a point they woulda done it on some shitty indie label.

I guess he figured that it was far more important to get the word out about Bush and the problems he's created...so for the urgency of the matter he put his own pride on the side.

[venus/bacchus]

The people you speak of are in the minority.
What are you basing that on? The extremists are always the most outspoken.

[UndefinedBoy]

how ironic that fat mikes 'rock against bush' cds are created with money the company recieves from the government. Propagandi made a song for the cd about it, but obviously they didnt put it on.

That whole thing actually had more to do with NOFX's support of MoveOn, which is funded by "bad" money. Propagandhi didn't end up on the compilation more because of a difference in ideals.

[birdman]

Not that I listen to other people a lot of the time, but if I had to choose between Sean Hannity and Fat Mike to get political education from, I would most certainly choose Hannity. Why, you ask. Because I dont think Hannity has spent the last 20 years of his life doing cocaine and writing songs about drugs, not taking showers, and hating hippies.

And as far as the IQ test goes, how many bands on punkvoter I wonder, even graduated high school? How many of these actors have a college degree?

A lot of the most outspoken liberals dont live in reality. Not everyone makes a living doing what they love to do. Not everyone makes tens of millions of dollars acting in front of a camera. Unlike Fat Mike, I am not a millionare coke-head who is forty and has green hair like he is still trying to hold on to what was once known as "punk rock". I have to go to work everyday and deal with stupid people, I have to live paycheck to paycheck to pay all my bills. So excuse me if I dont want a shitload of taxes taken out of my hard earned dollar to pay for some indigent fuck who had 3 kids when he/she was 14 and cant take care of them.

A lot of these limosouine liberals dont really have to worry about anything.

[UndefinedBoy]

Not that I listen to other people a lot of the time, but if I had to choose between Sean Hannity and Fat Mike to get political education from, I would most certainly choose Hannity. Why, you ask. Because I dont think Hannity has spent the last 20 years of his life doing cocaine and writing songs about drugs, not taking showers, and hating hippies.

And as far as the IQ test goes, how many bands on punkvoter I wonder, even graduated high school? How many of these actors have a college degree?

A lot of the most outspoken liberals dont live in reality. Not everyone makes a living doing what they love to do. Not everyone makes tens of millions of dollars acting in front of a camera. Unlike Fat Mike, I am not a millionare coke-head who is forty and has green hair like he is still trying to hold on to what was once known as "punk rock". I have to go to work everyday and deal with stupid people, I have to live paycheck to paycheck to pay all my bills. So excuse me if I dont want a shitload of taxes taken out of my hard earned dollar to pay for some indigent fuck who had 3 kids when he/she was 14 and cant take care of them.

A lot of these limosouine liberals dont really have to worry about anything.

Fat Mike has a college degree in political science I think...and the singer of Bad Religion has a PhD, and he's as far to the left as any...higher education doesn't make your opinion any more valid when it comes to politics.

HA! Like rich conservatives have anything to worry about? Gimme a break.

[_astheruinfalls]

They do have to worry about ageing hippie douche bag liberals.

[yeat182]

They do have to worry about ageing hippie douche bag liberals.

everyone should worry about that.

[_astheruinfalls]

And conservative rednecks.

[richter915]

And conservative rednecks.
maybe we should take all of them and the hippie liberals and put em in one house to annihilate each other...like that episode of south park where they put the bloods and crips in the same building...

[yeat182]

And conservative rednecks.

that too.

[_astheruinfalls]

Hahahha.

Yes.

So, the new plan: gather up all the conservative rednecks and ageing hippie douche bag liberals and put them in one big house. Even though all the liberals will die...don't give the rednecks food.

[yeat182]

Hahahha.

Yes.

So, the new plan: gather up all the conservative rednecks and ageing hippie douche bag liberals and put them in one big house. Even though all the liberals will die...don't give the rednecks food.

granola for everyone!

[_astheruinfalls]

Oh gosh oh gosh.

Are we going to hell now?

[yeat182]

Oh gosh oh gosh.

Are we going to hell now?

i hope not, it'll be full of dead hippies and rednecks.

[_astheruinfalls]

.............

Hahahahahahahahahahah.

[mike_p]

Just for fun ..

http://chrisevans3d.com/files/iq.htm

Least he is sort of right...

Oh, the St. Petersburg Times... might as well be the New York Times, more partisan newspaper facts. This list doesn't prove a damn thing. Take a look at the electoral map seperated by red/blue counties:

- Electoral Map by Counties (http://www.electoral-vote.com/images/counties-2004.gif)

Many of these blue states have a large number of red counties. So count those red counties into the state's avg IQ. If you're implying red states are dumb, I'll say that 3.5 million more people voted for Bush than Kerry... Why? Red states may be dumb, but they aren't lazy.

Tate can't help posting political bullshit like this. I don't blame him, I blame his parents. :wink3:

[_astheruinfalls]

So by saying the people who voted are lazy, are you saying they're Democrats? So I guess that would mean the country doesn't really want Bush.

The counties hold nothing to IQ.

[mike_p]

So by saying the people who voted are lazy, are you saying they're Democrats? So I guess that would mean the country doesn't really want Bush.

The counties hold nothing to IQ.

I was more or less saying that I can make that same assumption if whoever wrote that article wants to make an allegation that red states are dumb.

[_astheruinfalls]

No one made the allegation that red states are dumb. They just put together the means of the states and then who they voted for. It could be that the Republicans were smarter, but the state went Democratic.