John McCain's Vice President Is Sarah Palin

[windmillninja]

"Sen. John McCain picks Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate on GOP ticket for White House, CNN learns."

http://twitter.com/cnnbrk

Did not see that. Wow.

[saysmydoctor]

This woman is a cold blooded bitch, you can tell she is a manipulative pain in the ass. But she is not nearly as conservative as McCain, so this could be interesting.

[.invisible ink.]

Very odd. She's only been Governor since Dec. 2006 and before that she was 2 term mayor for some podunk town in Alaska. She's only 44 and has 5 kids.

[.invisible ink.]

This woman is a cold blooded bitch, you can tell she is a manipulative pain in the ass. But she is not nearly as conservative as McCain, so this could be interesting.

What do you know about her? I'm curious. She can't be as shitty as McCain though.

[AnarchyintheUS]

I'm the only one who called this, last week:

She is an excellent speaker.

She cleans up the disgruntled women voters.

She gets the Conservative Republicans on side.

Biden won't be able to tear into her, like he could a man (remember Lazio vs Hillary).

The Democrats can't use the age argument nearly as much.

She will destroy Biden in picking up Blue-collar voters.



This forum = dumbasses!

[cuetheflames]

Mistake by Mccain. The guy is a fucking idiot. Hes such a shiester, id vote for a monkey over him.

He obviously only picked this conservative chick just because shes a woman and he thinks that will sway dems to him (which i hope it doesnt.) She is a fucking governor from a small place in alaska which equals NO people and NO real time experience.

How can Mccain that hypocrite mother fucker ever say anything about obamas inexperience when he picks this chick who's past occupations in recent years are; "Congressional Quarterly notes Palin's other past occupations, including commercial fishing company owner; outdoor recreational equipment company owner; and sports reporter."

Unbeleivable. I dont see how its possible but if Mccain becomes president I am moving out of this fucking country.

[cuetheflames]

Man I hope our new VP for the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA is a really conservative woman who knows a lot about outdoor recreation and sporting goods in Alaska and hardly anything about the majority of the middle class American people of the rest of the country! :-)

[cuetheflames]

What do you know about her? I'm curious. She can't be as shitty as McCain though.

Shes probably just as shiesty and even more conservative. She's a female bush in the flesh. Shes already talking about an oil pipeline from Alaska and loves guns and all that.

[AnarchyintheUS]

He obviously only picked this conservative chick just because shes a woman and he thinks that will sway dems to him (which i hope it doesnt.) She is a fucking governor from a small place in alaska which equals NO people and NO real time experience.

How can Mccain that hypocrite mother fucker ever say anything about obamas inexperience when he picks this chick who's past occupations in recent years are; "Congressional Quarterly notes Palin's other past occupations, including commercial fishing company owner; outdoor recreational equipment company owner; and sports reporter."



Palin has more executive experience than Obama and Biden combined.

[windmillninja]

Shes probably just as shiesty and even more conservative. She's a female bush in the flesh. Shes already talking about an oil pipeline from Alaska and loves guns and all that.

You lost us at "probably".

[cuetheflames]

I'm the only one who called this, last week:

She is an excellent speaker.

She cleans up the disgruntled women voters.

She gets the Conservative Republicans on side.

Biden won't be able to tear into her, like he could a man (remember Lazio vs Hillary).

The Democrats can't use the age argument nearly as much.

She will destroy Biden in picking up Blue-collar voters.



This forum = dumbasses!

your a dumbass dude. your fucking name is anarchyintheUS you shouldn't be able to even make a logical statement about politics or the state of this country.

And if your blue collar you would have to be a half retarded inbred redneck not to vote for Obama. He is for the working class. People like george bush - said republicans who are suppsoibly upholding the republican spirit by standing for small business is bullshit. All they care about is making money and taxing and all that shit.

[crit]

lol

[AnarchyintheUS]

And if your blue collar you would have to be a half retarded inbred redneck not to vote for Obama. He is for the working class.

STFU. :-d


I'm just telling you what is gonna happen.

I'm not for either party, but this could be a GOP landslide.

[Mercy Medical]

Hahahaha, this whole situation is entirely laughable.

[cuetheflames]

Palin has more executive experience than Obama and Biden combined.

that doesnt even make sense. She is a small governor in ALASKA who hunts and fishes she knows nothing about the VAST majority of the American public.

You guys are idiots and if you are seriously for Mccain then you need to pull your heads out of your asses because this country is in the toilet and unless theres a big change were going to keep going under. You can say it all you want.. waaa waa obama doesnt have the exp, that mccain has. Well shit Bush has an assload of govt experience and look where he got is. It doesnt have to do with that. It has to do with now. All you want is more shit piled on top of the shit we already have.

[cuetheflames]

STFU. :-d


I'm just telling you what is gonna happen.

I'm not for either party, but this could be a GOP landslide.

whatever dude. bush and mccain are for big business and money and money now and dont care about the people or the country or ETHICS. fuck, mccain thinks that the definition of middle class is people who make under 5 million dollars a year.. shit, i dont know anyone that makes that much and everyone i know is MIDDLE CLASS

[windmillninja]

I think this is a good move, really. Female. Pretty much no record (i.e. no real scandals). Known for her ethics standards. Conservative. Not saying this is McCain's shoe-in, but he made a wise choice, IMO.

[AnarchyintheUS]

that doesnt even make sense. She is a small governor in ALASKA who hunts and fishes she knows nothing about the VAST majority of the American public.

You guys are idiots and if you are seriously for Mccain then you need to pull your heads out of your asses because this country is in the toilet and unless theres a big change were going to keep going under. You can say it all you want.. waaa waa obama doesnt have the exp, that mccain has. Well shit Bush has an assload of govt experience and look where he got is. It doesnt have to do with that. It has to do with now. All you want is more shit piled on top of the shit we already have.

I would never vote for Republicans or Democrats, I'm just calling it as I see it.

Also, chill the fuck out... your reaction suggests you see this as a possible winning pick.

[cuetheflames]

CNN.com says it IS.

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McCain picks Alaska governor as running mate

[cuetheflames]

I think this is a good move, really. Female. Pretty much no record (i.e. no real scandals). Known for her ethics standards. Conservative. Not saying this is McCain's shoe-in, but he made a wise choice, IMO.

Ya wise if your a conservative and this was an election in the 60s.

[Mercy Medical]

I think this is a good move, really. Female. Pretty much no record (i.e. no real scandals). Known for her ethics standards. Conservative. Not saying this is McCain's shoe-in, but he made a wise choice, IMO.
How? He's hoping choosing a female will sway the Hillary supporters his way, but that just shows you how big of idiots those supporters are if they are willing to vote for someone solely based on the fact that she's female, not based on her stances as a politician. It just shows you how big of idiots McCain sees his supporters of being. Also, she has little to no experience. McCain's main attack on Obama is his lack of experience. Obama obviously knows that's his weakness and chose a VP with experience. Smart move. Where's the intelligent move in choosing a VP with very little experience when that's your main attack on the other opponent. It's hypocritical.

[.invisible ink.]

How? He's hoping choosing a female will sway the Hillary supporters his way, but that just shows you how big of idiots those supporters are if they are willing to vote for someone solely based on the fact that she's female, not based on her stances as a politician. It just shows you how big of idiots McCain sees his supporters of being. Also, she has little to no experience. McCain's main attack on Obama is his lack of experience. Obama obviously knows that's his weakness and chose a VP with experience. Smart move. Where's the intelligent move in choosing a VP with very little experience when that's your main attack on the other opponent. It's hypocritical.

amen. you hit the nail on the head.

[cuetheflames]

How? He's hoping choosing a female will sway the Hillary supporters his way, but that just shows you how big of idiots those supporters are if they are willing to vote for someone solely based on the fact that she's female, not based on her stances as a politician. It just shows you how big of idiots McCain sees his supporters of being. Also, she has little to no experience. McCain's main attack on Obama is his lack of experience. Obama obviously knows that's his weakness and chose a VP with experience. Smart move. Where's the intelligent move in choosing a VP with very little experience when that's your main attack on the other opponent. It's hypocritical.

THANK YOU.

Your right they would be idiots if they did that based on because shes a woman. Sadly some people could do that. But yeah it was dumb, I hope most people see that because its the truth

[WarpSpeedChewy]

Interesting choice.....but we exactly does she bring beside the possibility of women voters ? She was against abortion rights so I wouldn't say she has that locked up. Plus she looks small compared to Biden. Biden will absolutely pick her apart during the debates. It does take away the experience argument from McCain. People will look at this anyway as an attempt to get Hilary voters, I don't see McCain and Palin fitting well together.

[cuetheflames]

not to mention the little experience she does have is with issues in a state that is completely different from what 90% of americans deal with on a day to day basis.

[windmillninja]

Obama obviously knows that's his weakness and chose a VP with experience. Smart move. Where's the intelligent move in choosing a VP with very little experience when that's your main attack on the other opponent.

The Republican ticket is now a mirror image of the Democratic ticket.

[fedhed7]

This is a hail mary by McCain.

He knows he's slipping in the polls, so he goes out and picks Palin to pick off the Hill-billys still yearning to see a woman in the White House.

I love how Karl Rove claimed Obama's pick would be purely political that ignores the responsibilities of the Presidency (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/08/10/ftn/main4336134.shtml) when in fact he did the opposite. He picks an extremely smart and experienced Senator from a state that was already locked up as Democratic. In fact it was HIS boy McCain who picked a running mate that ignores the responsibilities of the Presidency.

Sure, Sarah Palin may be smart, but she looks like Forrest Gump next to Biden and especially Obama.

[cuetheflames]

Interesting choice.....but we exactly does she bring beside the possibility of women voters ? She was against abortion rights so I wouldn't say she has that locked up. Plus she looks small compared to Biden. Biden will absolutely dismantle her during the debates. Plus, it does take away the experience argument from McCain. People will look at this anyway as an attempt to get Hilary voters, I don't see McCain and Palin fitting well together.

absolutely nothing. all she does is add more conservativeness to their party. It only attracts hardcore republicans. No one else should bite if theyre smart. Shes just another step in making an America that is the same as its been or worse.

[cuetheflames]

This is a hail mary by McCain.

He knows he's slipping in the polls, so he goes out and picks Palin to pick off the Hill-billys still yearning to see a woman in the White House.

I love how Karl Rove claimed Obama's pick would be purely political that ignores the responsibilities of the Presidency (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/08/10/ftn/main4336134.shtml) when in fact he did the opposite. He picks an extremely smart and experienced Senator from a state that was already locked up as Democratic. In fact it was HIS boy McCain who picked a running mate that ignores the responsibilities of the Presidency.

Sure, Sarah Palin may be smart, but she looks like Forrest Gump next to Biden and especially Obama.

Word up.

[cuetheflames]

The Republican ticket is now a mirror image of the Democratic ticket.

how is that? its two idiots vs two respectable human beings that relate to the american people

[we are cured]

Sure, Sarah Palin may be smart, but she looks like Forrest Gump next to Biden and especially Obama.

we'll see...i don't necessarily think she'll grab all the women voters, but if she holds up in a debate with biden and the female population sees her as intelligent and steadfast, she's going to garner a lot of those votes.

[nfggc10]

People are also forgetting that Vice Presidential choices are largely irrelevant come November. Even knowing that this is a fairly weak pick that screams desperation at trying to grab a few remaining Hillary supporters and the hardcore Republicans that don't care for McCain.

[selftitled85]

Mistake by Mccain. The guy is a fucking idiot. Hes such a shiester, id vote for a monkey over him.

He obviously only picked this conservative chick just because shes a woman and he thinks that will sway dems to him (which i hope it doesnt.) She is a fucking governor from a small place in alaska which equals NO people and NO real time experience.

How can Mccain that hypocrite mother fucker ever say anything about obamas inexperience when he picks this chick who's past occupations in recent years are; "Congressional Quarterly notes Palin's other past occupations, including commercial fishing company owner; outdoor recreational equipment company owner; and sports reporter."

Unbeleivable. I dont see how its possible but if Mccain becomes president I am moving out of this fucking country.

Dude you must not know much about politics. This solidifies McCain's stance on energy. If anything, people will see this as a huge step in the right direction to combat our addiction to Middle Eastern oil. (Although it is still wrong in my mind most Americans are stupid). He could easily gain a large amount of votes if he plays this correctly.

[nfggc10]

we'll see...i don't necessarily think she'll grab all the women voters, but if she holds up in a debate with biden and the female population sees her as intelligent and steadfast, she's going to garner a lot of those votes.You're overestimating the effect of Vice Presidential debates.

[Mercy Medical]

The Republican ticket is now a mirror image of the Democratic ticket.
A mirror image that makes no sense.

It makes sense of an inexperienced President to chose an experienced VP. He recognizes his weakness as a president and accounts for it. It makes logical sense.

I does not make sense for an experienced president to chose an inexperienced VP. What weakness is he accounting for? None, he's playing to the crowd who are a bunch of idiots and trying to sway the female vote his way.

While Obama makes a logical choice, McCain makes a solely strategic and illogical choice. McCain's entire platform is based on strategy and playing to his audience. He's hoping to pick up the voters who care about the here and now and who want instant gratification, instant satisfaction. They don't care about the long run. He's trying to pick up the poor, defeated Hillary supporters. It's solely based on strategy, not logic.

[nfggc10]

Dude you must not know much about politics. This solidifies McCain's stance on energy. If anything, people will see this as a huge step in the right direction to combat our addiction to Middle Eastern oil. (Although it is still wrong in my mind most Americans are stupid). He could easily gain a large amount of votes if he plays this correctly.And the Democrats could play the hypocrite card and negate much of the effect this could have.

[windmillninja]

I does not make sense for an experienced president to chose an inexperienced VP.

Palin has more executive experience than both Obama and Biden.

[WarpSpeedChewy]

This is a hail mary by McCain.

He knows he's slipping in the polls, so he goes out and picks Palin to pick off the Hill-billys still yearning to see a woman in the White House.

I love how Karl Rove claimed Obama's pick would be purely political that ignores the responsibilities of the Presidency (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/08/10/ftn/main4336134.shtml) when in fact he did the opposite. He picks an extremely smart and experienced Senator from a state that was already locked up as Democratic. In fact it was HIS boy McCain who picked a running mate that ignores the responsibilities of the Presidency.
Add the fact the Clinton will be campaigning for Obama which will help.

Biden was a perfect choice for Obama. I have 0 clue how Palin could be president but Biden could take it up in no time. I think Biden has better credentials to women's issues than Palin ever could have. Palin really gonna have nothing to say on a lot of issues because she doesn't have much of a record on them. Biden will make her look small.

absolutely nothing. all she does is add more conservativeness to their party. It only attracts hardcore republicans. No one else should bite if theyre smart. Shes just another step in making an America that is the same as its been or worse.
I'm fascinated by seeing them together. It looks completely strange. Another point is that McCain needed someone well versed on the economy and he picked someone with no record or history with handling the economy.

[Paul Tao]

The thought of this woman as president (if they win and McCain dies) scares the crap out of me. Seriously guys, if she becomes president, it may be a bigger debacle than the past eight years...

[we are cured]

You're overestimating the effect of Vice Presidential debates.

in a close race you shouldn't underestimate their importance.

[Mercy Medical]

Palin has more executive experience than both Obama and Biden.
Source?

EDIT: You fucking copy/pasted this from that other dudes post. Seriously, stfu.

[nfggc10]

in a close race you shouldn't underestimate their importance.You're also giving the U.S. population too much credit in assuming they'll be swayed either way by what happens in a VP debate. There's little chance of Palin coming close to matching Biden in those so it's a moot point really.

[odelay]

I think this is a good move, really. Female. Pretty much no record (i.e. no real scandals). Known for her ethics standards. Conservative. Not saying this is McCain's shoe-in, but he made a wise choice, IMO. Ummm. She's in the middle of an abuse of power scandal back in Alaska.

[AnarchyintheUS]

how is that? its two idiots vs two respectable human beings that relate to the american people

Get your head out of your ass, hippie.

Also, Palin has the smarts.

[nfggc10]

Ummm. She's in the middle of an abuse of power scandal back in Alaska.Haha I just came across that while researching more about her accomplishments.

[we are cured]

You're also giving the U.S. population too much credit in assuming they'll be swayed either way by what happens in a VP debate. There's little chance of Palin coming close to matching Biden in those so it's a moot point really.

i'm just saying that women tend to be tougher on women and will likely have a close eye on how she performs in these debates.

[windmillninja]

Source?

EDIT: You fucking copy/pasted this from that other dudes post. Seriously, stfu.

Source? She's been Governor of AK since 2006. You know how elected officials work, right?

And no, I didn't "fucking copy/paste" anything. Did you read both sentences. Did you see the oh-so-slight differences? Two people can't share the same opinion? "You agree with that guy! Shut the fuck up!"

You really dropped the logic bomb on me, there.

[AnarchyintheUS]

Source? She's been Governor of AK since 2006. You know how elected officials work, right?

And no, I didn't "fucking copy/paste" anything. Did you read both sentences. Did you see the oh-so-slight differences? Two people can't share the same opinion? "You agree with that guy! Shut the fuck up!"



Maybe she didn't understand "executive experience".

[wesgemm08]

This should be a giant slap in the face to any intelligent Hilary Clinton supporter

[Jason Tate]

I'd say this is a mistake by McCain. It's a move to try and APPEAR more liberal - without actually being. To try and grab women voters and harp on his "we need to drill" lunacy. It negates the 'washington' experience argument - and looks desperate.

[Mercy Medical]

Source? She's been Governor of AK since 2006. You know how elected officials work, right?

And no, I didn't "fucking copy/paste" anything. Did you read both sentences. Did you see the oh-so-slight differences? Two people can't share the same opinion? "You agree with that guy! Shut the fuck up!"

You really dropped the logic bomb on me, there.
Since 2006?

"In his sixth consecutive term in the Senate, Biden has served for the sixth-longest period among current senators."

"Obama was elected to the Senate in November 2004 with 70% of the vote."

Executive or not, Biden and Obama have a substantially more experience then she does. This is her first term as governor.

[nfggc10]

Maybe she didn't understand "executive experience".Perhaps if there was a direct correlation, or any consistent correlation for that matter, between "executive experience" and success as President more people would care or it would be a relevant argument for or against a candidate.

[WarpSpeedChewy]

I bet Mitt Romney is pissed this morning.

This should be a giant slap in the face to any intelligent Hillary Clinton supporter
Agreed. This just looks like McCain is getting desperate for some of the disgruntled Hilary voters.

Since 2006?

"In his sixth consecutive term in the Senate, Biden has served for the sixth-longest period among current senators."

"Obama was elected to the Senate in November 2004 with 70% of the vote."

Executive or not, Biden and Obama have a substantially more experience then she does. This is her first term as governor.
FTW.

[AnarchyintheUS]

Agreed. This just looks like McCain is getting desperate for some of the disgruntled Hilary voters.


I'm sure CNN will paint it that way.

But who knows, by next month, Palin could be the star pick.

[nfggc10]

Another problem with this is that McCain's 2nd biggest attack on Obama, after "inexperience," is that he's not ready to be Commander in Chief. Well, considering McCain's age and past health issues his VP pick is more meaningful than ever and she has no qualifications to be in that role.

[nfggc10]

I'm sure CNN will paint it that way.It will be hard for the conservative media to not admit that as well since it's so obvious.

[Jason Tate]

Another problem with this is that McCain's 2nd biggest attack on Obama, after "inexperience," is that he's not ready to be Commander in Chief. Well, considering McCain's age and past health issues his VP pick is more meaningful than ever and she has no qualifications to be in that role.
Not ready, not experienced enough - gone. No foreign relations experience. And disconnected from the entire country ... she won't relate to anyone. And it solidifies the notion that Republicans are in BIG OIL's pockets.

[selftitled85]

And the Democrats could play the hypocrite card and negate much of the effect this could have.

How? Yes...McCain at first said that drilling offshore and all that was not good. But it is typical politics to change stances. Yes the Democrats could grill him on that. But the fact remains, he has the Alaskan governor as his VP and with her they could probably open up Alaska to drilling quite easily. People want results. That would be results.

[nfggc10]

Not ready, not experienced enough - gone. No foreign relations experience. And disconnected from the entire country ... she won't relate to anyone.Their ad campaigns just got a lot more difficult considering they just lost most of their arguments against him.

[Mercy Medical]

Not ready, not experienced enough - gone. No foreign relations experience. And disconnected from the entire country ... she won't relate to anyone.
But she sure will ring in those angry Hillary Clinton supporters!

[WarpSpeedChewy]

I'm sure CNN will paint it that way.

But who knows, by next month, Palin could be the star pick.
Well the media is at lease gonna get some more mileage out of that dead decrepit horse. FOX news will make it last til the election.

Another problem with this is that McCain's 2nd biggest attack on Obama, after "inexperience," is that he's not ready to be Commander in Chief. Well, considering McCain's age and past health issues his VP pick is more meaningful than ever and she has no qualifications to be in that role.
Age wise they are on completely opposite ends. It's gonna be werid seeing someone who is young and only been governor for 2 years with a veteran with 25 years in the senate. Considering McCain "get off my lawn" demeanor, it'll be interesting to see how they are together or if there is any cohesiveness together.

[nfggc10]

How? Yes...McCain at first said that drilling offshore and all that was not good. But it is typical politics to change stances. Yes the Democrats could grill him on that. But the fact remains, he has the Alaskan governor as his VP and with her they could probably open up Alaska to drilling quite easily. People want results. That would be results.I was talking about picking an inexperienced VP candidate, not her stance on energy.

[AnarchyintheUS]

Another problem with this is that McCain's 2nd biggest attack on Obama, after "inexperience," is that he's not ready to be Commander in Chief. Well, considering McCain's age and past health issues his VP pick is more meaningful than ever and she has no qualifications to be in that role.

If and when that happens, she will have had several years experience as VP.

[Jason Tate]

How? Yes...McCain at first said that drilling offshore and all that was not good. But it is typical politics to change stances. Yes the Democrats could grill him on that. But the fact remains, he has the Alaskan governor as his VP and with her they could probably open up Alaska to drilling quite easily. People want results. That would be results.
Yet drilling for more oil is not going to produce results for at best a decade. Hammer that home.

[nfggc10]

If and when that happens, she will have had several years experience as VP.Yes, but would that be good or bad experience? Like I said earlier, the experience argument is largely moot for me since the context politicians use it in implies that longevity, regardless of how well you've performed, is an asset.

[WarpSpeedChewy]

Another problem with this is that McCain's 2nd biggest attack on Obama, after "inexperience," is that he's not ready to be Commander in Chief. Well, considering McCain's age and past health issues his VP pick is more meaningful than ever and she has no qualifications to be in that role.
Excellent point. Well said.

[saysmydoctor]

This undercuts his whole attempt to attack Obama's experience argument. She hasn't finished her first term as governor. All she does is whistleblow and that whistleblowing gets into office. She is a manipulative bitch.

[shawnb213]

I really hope people are smart enough to see through this as desperate.

BTW: The band playing at McCain's rally today was just playing Creed... One more reason I hate him.

[Jason Tate]

I think this may convince a group of conservatives to stay in and not vote ... my question will be if it sways any Hillary supporters (who I think are smart enough to know it's what the woman stands for, not the woman that matters). I'm pretty sure they supported Hillary for what she stood for (pro-choice, et al.) not simply because of her gender.

[WarpSpeedChewy]

Yet drilling for more oil is not going to produce results for at best a decade. Hammer that home.
I'm looking forward to the point in the debates where Obama and Biden really confront McCain and Palin with that.

[AnarchyintheUS]

Yes, but would that be good or bad experience? Like I said earlier, the experience argument is largely moot for me since the context politicians use it in implies that longevity, regardless of how well you've performed, is an asset.

As a governor of Alaska (albeit 2 years), she is also required to deal with Foreign Governments.

[saysmydoctor]

Palin, this is unbelievable. I was under the impression McCain wanted to win.

[Jason Tate]

This undercuts his whole attempt to attack Obama's experience argument. She hasn't finished her first term as governor. All she does is whistleblow and that whistleblowing gets into office. She is a manipulative bitch.
And she already has scandal accusations up there - in less than a term. What's even gotten done during that term?

[saysmydoctor]

As a governor of Alaska (albeit 2 years), she is also required to deal with Foreign Governments.
Canada, whoa!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I guess that means Pataki has foreign policy experience, along with Pawlenty, etc, etc.

[AnarchyintheUS]

This undercuts his whole attempt to attack Obama's experience argument. She hasn't finished her first term as governor. All she does is whistleblow and that whistleblowing gets into office. She is a manipulative bitch.

You have been looking into her for what, an hour now?

I don't think calling her a bitch helps either.

[nfggc10]

As a governor of Alaska (albeit 2 years), she is also required to deal with Foreign Governments.Like I said earlier, come back to me on how well she's done in those situations and how integral they were in any process. Results/performance holds more weight than experience in a role.

[saysmydoctor]

And she already has scandal accusations up there - in less than a term. What's even gotten done during that term?
Huge tax cuts except for the upper tax brackets.

She tries to validate her anti-same sex marriage belief by saying she has gay friends.

[Adeniz19]

i am laughing so hard over this selection. i dont see how the people on the front page think this was a good pick at all

[saysmydoctor]

http://www.johnmccain.com/Images/HP3/ticket_main.jpg

[nfggc10]

Like this woman on CNN just said, McCain took on what could be a possible short term gain for what will likely be a long term detriment.

[saysmydoctor]

You have been looking into her for what, an hour now?

I don't think calling her a bitch helps either.
Like you have any room to talk, you type 'bullshit' into your google searchbar and copy and paste it onto the forums.

[captainhampton]

I think this may convince a group of conservatives to stay in and not vote ... my question will be if it sways any Hillary supporters (who I think are smart enough to know it's what the woman stands for, not the woman that matters). I'm pretty sure they supported Hillary for what she stood for (pro-choice, et al.) not simply because of her gender.

you should take a look at some of the conservative blogs, THEY LOVE THE PICK. this will convince more of the conservative base to vote, not less.

[AnarchyintheUS]

Like I said earlier, come back to me on how well she's done in those situations and how integral they were in any process. Results/performance holds more weight than experience in a role.

I don't dispute that, but a lot of voters are either dumb or shallow.

Just like a lot of the Obama bandwagon jumpers.

If the media takes to Palin, anything could happen.

[saysmydoctor]

http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/News/PressReleases/Read.aspx?guid=b1a33b7f-5388-4ab9-99a4-95d9d35268ce


For Immediate Release
August 29, 2008 Contact:
(http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/News/PressReleases/Read.aspx?guid=b1a33b7f-5388-4ab9-99a4-95d9d35268ce#) John McCain Selects Alaska Governor Sarah Palin As Vice Presidential Running Mate

ARLINGTON, VA -- U.S. Senator John McCain today announced that he has selected Alaska Governor Sarah Palin to be his running mate and to serve as his vice president.
Governor Palin is a tough executive who has demonstrated during her time in office that she is ready to be president. She has brought Republicans and Democrats together within her Administration and has a record of delivering on the change and reform that we need in Washington.
Governor Palin has challenged the influence of the big oil companies while fighting for the development of new energy resources. She leads a state that matters to every one of us -- Alaska has significant energy resources and she has been a leader in the fight to make America energy independent.
In Alaska, Governor Palin challenged a corrupt system and passed a landmark ethics reform bill. She has actually used her veto and cut budgetary spending. She put a stop to the "bridge to nowhere" that would have cost taxpayers $400 million dollars.
As the head of Alaska's National Guard and as the mother of a soldier herself, Governor Palin understands what it takes to lead our nation and she understands the importance of supporting our troops.
Governor Palin has the record of reform and bipartisanship that others can only speak of. Her experience in shaking up the status quo is exactly what is needed in Washington today.

[nfggc10]

you should take a look at some of the conservative blogs, THEY LOVE THE PICK. this will convince more of the conservative base to vote, not less.You act as if they would say anything else. They know how much trouble they're in so they're job now is to excite their party.

[wesgemm08]

Sarah Palin: Pro-life until you are out of the womb, then you are on your own.

[AnarchyintheUS]

Saysmy... Copy and paste much?

[captainhampton]

You act as if they would say anything else. They know how much trouble they're in so they're job now is to excite their party.

no if he had picked Lieberman, the blogs would not have been so kind. that's a load of crap.

[saysmydoctor]

Saysmy... Copy and paste much?
It's things that are actually happening, not lunatic bullshit.

Can we just ban him, fuck?

[nfggc10]

ARLINGTON, VA -- U.S. Senator John McCain today announced that he has selected Alaska Governor Sarah Palin to be his running mate and to serve as his vice president.[/FONT]
Governor Palin is a tough executive who has demonstrated during her time in office that she is ready to be president. She has brought Republicans and Democrats together within her Administration and has a record of delivering on the change and reform that we need in Washington.
Governor Palin has challenged the influence of the big oil companies while fighting for the development of new energy resources. She leads a state that matters to every one of us -- Alaska has significant energy resources and she has been a leader in the fight to make America energy independent.
In Alaska, Governor Palin challenged a corrupt system and passed a landmark ethics reform bill. She has actually used her veto and cut budgetary spending. She put a stop to the "bridge to nowhere" that would have cost taxpayers $400 million dollars.
As the head of Alaska's National Guard and as the mother of a soldier herself, Governor Palin understands what it takes to lead our nation and she understands the importance of supporting our troops.
Governor Palin has the record of reform and bipartisanship that others can only speak of. Her experience in shaking up the status quo is exactly what is needed in Washington today.:explode:

[Adeniz19]

oh hey, her husband works for an oil company... cool.

[AnarchyintheUS]

It's things that are actually happening, not lunatic bullshit.

Can we just ban him, fuck?

Fascist.

[nfggc10]

no if he had picked Lieberman, the blogs would not have been so kind. that's a load of crap.He was never going to pick Lieberman because of pressure within the party so that's irrelevant.

[saysmydoctor]

oh hey, her husband works for an oil company... cool.
But she is all for energy independence! And her son is in the National Guard, she is a patriot. Step the fuck back.

[captainhampton]

He was never going to pick Lieberman because of pressure within the party so that's irrelevant.

you were saying that of course the blogs are going to celebrate the pick because they know they are in trouble and need to unite. that's not true. Believe me, if it were Pawlenty or Romney, there would not have been much excitement from the Conservative voters. It's a load of crap that you think they are all just gonna praise whoever the pick is for the sake of the party. They genuinely like the pick and this would not have happened if t were Pawlenty or Romney. There would have been plenty of critics.

[Jason Tate]

you should take a look at some of the conservative blogs, THEY LOVE THE PICK. this will convince more of the conservative base to vote, not less.
I don't think bloggers is a way to tell that.

[saysmydoctor]

She is a lifetime member of the National Rifle Association and takes part in two of Alaska's popular pastimes -- fishing and hunting.
Oh my god.

[Mercy Medical]

I feel like this is almost an insult to the Hillary supporters. If I was one of them I would be insulted.

[captainhampton]

I don't think bloggers is a way to tell that.

maybe not. I'll be interested as to what the Conservative radio hosts like Limbaugh have to say today.

[s.t.e.v.e.n.]

After watching Obama last night this is putting me to sleep

[nfggc10]

you were saying that of course the blogs are going to celebrate the pick because they know they are in trouble and need to unite. that's not true. Believe me, if it were Pawlenty or Romney, there would not have been much excitement from the Conservative voters. It's a load of crap that you think they are all just gonna praise whoever the pick is for the sake of the party. They genuinely like the pick and this would not have happened if t were Pawlenty or Romney. There would have been plenty of critics.Considering most conservatives have no idea who Palin is I'd say that's a stretch. And even for the sake of discussion I say they're excited over this then obviously it doesn't take much. I also think the words excited, conservatives, McCain-led ticket don't belong in the same sentence.

[captainhampton]

Oh my god.

she hunts and fishes. OMG she must be so out of touch.

[Jason Tate]

"You will hear from my opponent's campaign in every speech, every interview, every press release that I'm running for President Bush's third term. You will hear every policy of the President described as the Bush-McCain policy. Why does Senator Obama believe it's so important to repeat that idea over and over again? Because he knows it's very difficult to get Americans to believe something they know is false." - McCain

WOW. Easy to prove him wrong on that one.

[saysmydoctor]

I feel like this is almost an insult to the Hillary supporters. If I was one of them I would be insulted.
No, they love this. McCain is now their hero. They feel they were robbed of Hillary from the Democrats, so McCain is their superhero, fighting the power and the glass ceiling, selecting this woman. Dirty but smart politics.

[saysmydoctor]

she hunts and fishes. OMG she must be so out of touch.
I'm going to assume I was more focused on the NRA bit. Considering she has declared she is against special interests,

[nfggc10]

I don't think bloggers is a way to tell that.Especially when CNN was interviewing people at today's McCain rally and most of them didn't know who she was or what her accomplishments are. So if people who are backing McCain enough to attend one of his funeral-like rallies and they still don't know anything about Palin what does that say for the average conservative voter?

[Jason Tate]

No, they love this. McCain is now their hero. They feel they were robbed of Hillary from the Democrats, so McCain is their superhero, fighting the power and the glass ceiling, selecting this woman. Dirty but smart politics.
I don't see it that way ... the policies they loved Hillary for (ie: progressive politics) she doesn't embody. It's easy to show that to the voter.

[nfggc10]

"You will hear from my opponent's campaign in every speech, every interview, every press release that I'm running for President Bush's third term. You will hear every policy of the President described as the Bush-McCain policy. Why does Senator Obama believe it's so important to repeat that idea over and over again? Because he knows it's very difficult to get Americans to believe something they know is false." - McCain

WOW. Easy to prove him wrong on that one.Kinda like McCain saying Obama is inexperienced during every speech, ad, etc?

[Jason Tate]

Especially when CNN was interviewing people at today's McCain rally and most of them didn't know who she was or what her accomplishments are. So if people who are backing McCain enough to attend one of his funeral-like rallies and they still don't know anything about Palin what does that say for the average conservative voter?
Well, it's time to start looking at her policies and accomplishments.

[Jason Tate]

Kinda like McCain saying Obama is inexperienced during every speech, ad, etc?
I thought the hypocrisies were funny.

[saysmydoctor]

I don't see it that way ... the policies they loved Hillary for (ie: progressive politics) she doesn't embody. It's easy to show that to the voter.
You know the Clintonites were voting for name recognition and because she has a vagina.

[Jason Tate]

We dont need to go back. We need to go foward. Fuck change

:rotfl:

[NickLopez]

I just can't imagine people thinking this is a good idea.

[Mercy Medical]

Huge tax cuts except for the upper tax brackets.

She tries to validate her anti-same sex marriage belief by saying she has gay friends.Hahahahahaahahahahaha

No, they love this. McCain is now their hero. They feel they were robbed of Hillary from the Democrats, so McCain is their superhero, fighting the power and the glass ceiling, selecting this woman. Dirty but smart politics.It's a complete insult. Clinton and this chick stand for two completely different things. That's essentially saying that those Clinton voters are too stupid to care about the actual issues and they'll vote for a woman just to vote for a woman, not to vote for someone they truly believe in.

That's a complete insult. He's making them out to be idiots.

[SoggY ThE OnE]

Of course he would choose a female....
wow
this is pathetic.

[nfggc10]

This speech is hilarious considering how well done Obama's introduction of Biden was and how in depth he went into his life and accomplishments. This took McCain about 3 minutes.

[Jason Tate]

You know the Clintonites were voting for name recognition and because she has a vagina.
I wouldn't count out their intelligence quite yet ... we'll see. She's practically the anti-Biden. I look forward to a foreign policy discussion. What role does McCain think she can bring to this administration? Should a half term governor be put in the position of running our country in the wake of a Presidential death? To do anything? That doesn't show foresight or experience in making a decision for the betterment of our country.

[Jason Tate]

I hope to see the the democrats play up yet another Republican Oil connection.

[IAPAI]

I feel like this is almost an insult to the Hillary supporters. If I was one of them I would be insulted.

that's a really good observation, actually. hopefully a pundit somewhere repeats those sentiments.

[Jason Tate]

This speech is hilarious considering how well done Obama's introduction of Biden was and how in depth he went into his life and accomplishments. This took McCain about 3 minutes.
Hahahaha.

[Adeniz19]

I wouldn't count out their intelligence quite yet ... we'll see. She's practically the anti-Biden. I look forward to a foreign policy discussion. What role does McCain think she can bring to this administration? Should a half term governor be put in the position of running our country in the wake of a Presidential death? To do anything? That doesn't show foresight or experience in making a decision for the betterment of our country.a half term governor in a state that has 1/3 less people than the city of chicago.

i never thought i would be actually angry with who mccain picks as his vp but i think i kind of am.

[Jason Tate]

a half term governor in a state that has 1/3 less people than the city of chicago.

i never thought i would be actually angry with who mccain picks as his vp but i think i kind of am.
And yet he chooses to put a person with that experience in a direct path to potentially lead the country. Experience must not be as big a qualifier as he led on.

[nfggc10]

The blind patriotism displayed at these rallies continues to disgust me.

[saysmydoctor]

She has foreign policy experience, as governor of Alaska. At least, AnarchyintheUS says so.

[Jason Tate]

She has foreign policy experience, as governor of Alaska. At least, AnarchyintheUS says so.
Hahahah, the qualifying statement negates my even bothering to care about the first part.

[Jason Tate]

I hope the democratic team can do its best to point out the massive flaws in this choice. And how it shows the kind of decisions McSame will be making ... the wrong ones. I'd love for Hillary to come out against her ... that'd be amazing.

[nfggc10]

"Challenge the status-quo"

Hmm, that makes this ticket a bit odd then.

[saysmydoctor]

If they try the she is inexperienced attack....I'll flip out. Don't be a hypocrite.

[Jason Tate]

Today, John McCain put the former mayor of a town of 9,000 with zero foreign policy experience a heartbeat away from the presidency. Governor Palin shares John McCain's commitment to overturning Roe v. Wade, the agenda of Big Oil and continuing George Bush's failed economic policies -- that's not the change we need, it's just more of the same. - Bill Burden

After the great success of the Democratic convention, the choice of Sarah Palin is surely a Hail Mary pass. It is a real roll of the dice and shows how John McCain, Karl Rove et al realize what a strong position the Obama-Biden team and Democrats in general are in in this election. Certainly the choice of Palin puts to rest any argument about inexperience on the Democratic team and while Palin is a fine person, her lack of experience makes the thought of her assuming the presidency troubling. I particularly look forward to the Biden-Palin debate in Missouri. - Shchumer

[Jason Tate]

Pak-rH0dCeA

2:50 "What exactly does the VP do everyday?"

[Adeniz19]

I hope the democratic team can do its best to point out the massive flaws in this choice. And how it shows the kind of decisions McSame will be making ... the wrong ones. I'd love for Hillary to come out against her ... that'd be amazing.i can't wait for these upcoming debates

[windmillninja]

I just want them to play "Hot For Teacher" when she comes out to give her speech next week.

http://askpang.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/sabine5.jpg

[nfggc10]

Pak-rH0dCeA

2:50 "What exactly does the VP do everyday?"
Translation: "I'll be in way over my head"

[Jason Tate]

Translation: "I'll be in way over my head"
I am floored by this pick. Haha, but kind of happy -- makes my debates so much easier because it takes "experience" completely off the floor. Hahaha.

[GiggsOho]

As a governor of Alaska (albeit 2 years), she is also required to deal with Foreign Governments.

LOLOLOLOLOL. Yeah. I'm sure Putin and Amandinejad are just waiting to see what this woman brings to the table.

"I'm a hockey mom, you guys wanna drop the gloves over it?"

Pak-rH0dCeA

2:50 "What exactly does the VP do everyday?"


I half expected her to drop a "golly, gee, don't ya know?"

i can't wait for these upcoming debates

Neither can i, someone please tell what this woman brings to the table? Anyone.....?

[s.t.e.v.e.n.]

"its cool, i want them to ask me the questions?"

am i the only one who laughed at that...she said its cool like were at the lunch table

[nfggc10]

I am floored by this pick. Haha, but kind of happy -- makes my debates so much easier because it takes "experience" completely off the floor. Hahaha.Coming off one of the best Democratic Conventions this really continues their momentum from a strategic standpoint. I'm sure the staff got some renewed energy this morning and are anxious to get to work on the many different directions they can attack this pick. Regardless of how good the ratings are for the debates I know I'm looking forward to them much more.

[Jason Tate]

So ... while she's off campaigning for the next few months ... who's governing Alaska? Or are they glad she's out? :shrug:

[s.t.e.v.e.n.]

whats sucks is the Obama camp is gonna have to come out and be like "way to go, you nominated a woman as we celebrate womans suffrage etc etc", instead of just coming out and saying "she lives in an igloo, we have our shit together, game over.

[Adeniz19]

2:50 "What exactly does the VP do everyday?"http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/2/2lawm89.gif

[Jason Tate]

"its cool, i want them to ask me the questions?"

am i the only one who laughed at that...she said its cool like were at the lunch table
I need to look more into these allegations I've seen pop-up a few times now.

[nfggc10]

So ... while she's off campaigning for the next few months ... who's governing Alaska?Hopefully someone who is qualified....such as any parent who has a son/daughter in the military. Haha.

[GiggsOho]

So ... while she's off campaigning for the next few months ... who's governing Alaska? Or are they glad she's out? :shrug:


http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/03_03/mooseDM2003_468x440.jpg

Obviously already smiling for pictures.

[Jason Tate]

Hopefully someone who is qualified....such as any parent who has a son/daughter in the military. Haha.
And husband who works for the oil company apparently.

[Jason Tate]

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/03_03/mooseDM2003_468x440.jpg

Obviously already smiling for pictures.
:-d

[s.t.e.v.e.n.]

I heard John Edwards slept with her

[Jason Tate]

I heard John Edwards slept with her
Twice.

[Mercy Medical]

"But Palin's seemingly bright future was clouded in late July when the state legislature voted to hire an independent investigator to find out whether she tried to have a state official fire her ex-brother-in-law from his job as a state trooper."

Hahaha, wow.

[nfggc10]

Ha, Republicans are saying they welcome the "experience" questions about Palin stating that she has more executive experience than either Obama and Biden. Well, Bush had 4 more years of executive experience, in a bigger, more important, and more diverse state at that, and yet look how his Presidency has turned out.

[Lueda Alia]

I think this is a good move, really. Female. Pretty much no record (i.e. no real scandals). Known for her ethics standards. Conservative. Not saying this is McCain's shoe-in, but he made a wise choice, IMO.
I don't know if anyone pointed this out, but I'm hearing that she's in the middle of a scandal/investigation. So what are you talking about?

[s.t.e.v.e.n.]

Just to be fair, it seems like this supposed scandal about firing the ex brother-in-law is going to amount to nothing. Unless I'm missing something. I hope Obama and Biden don't focus on that.

[Jason Tate]

"But Palin's seemingly bright future was clouded in late July when the state legislature voted to hire an independent investigator to find out whether she tried to have a state official fire her ex-brother-in-law from his job as a state trooper."

Hahaha, wow.
She has a failed marriage? How old is she? Geez ...

[nfggc10]

"But Palin's seemingly bright future was clouded in late July when the state legislature voted to hire an independent investigator to find out whether she tried to have a state official fire her ex-brother-in-law from his job as a state trooper."

Hahaha, wow.Since she has a son in the military I'm questioning your patriotism for criticizing her.

Ha.

[Mercy Medical]

This (http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/tapped_archive?month=08&year=2008&base_name=the_party_of_political_co rrect) is some interesting insight on the whole situation.

So in a campaign where the candidate on the top of the ticket has contended that he is immune to criticism on the basis that he was a POW, the we can expect Republicans to argue that the Veep pick should be immune to criticism because she is a woman.

The pick of Palin is dripping with transparent condescension, the notion that the enthusiasm behind Hillary was simply the result of her being a woman, that it had nothing to do with what she actually stood for, and in that sense it's equally sexist. Palin is essentially a hard-right ideologue, and therefore nothing like Hillary as far as substance is concerned. It's not very different from running Alan Keyes against Barack Obama in 2004. The conservative media reaction has already engaged in paternalistic language, with FOX News reporting on television that "McCain broke the glass ceiling," implying in fact, that the pick had nothing to do with Palin or her qualifications, but merely her gender. It's fitting that the party positing affirmative action as a program that picks people exclusively based on race or gender rather than qualification should do something similar given an opportunity for political advancement. While Obama is promising change through policy, not simply through the circumstances of his birth, the McCain campaign thinks his appeal is simply visual and demographic, and therefore something they can exploit.

This is a pick primed to take advantage of the ongoing media narrative around gender, and I wouldn't be surprised if it had the predicted effect. But it lends more credence to the argument that the McCain campaign is a war room masquerading as a campaign. They're not thinking about governing--they're thinking about winning.

At the same time, on a fundamental level, it's a good thing to have more women in politics, and more women in high places in the Republican Party. It's good for the American people to get used to the idea of a woman being president. I really can't argue with that.

--A. Serwer

[nfggc10]

Already comparing Palin to Clinton? Yikes, hopefully that continues so independents and Democrats can laugh for a bit longer.

[Mercy Medical]

She has a failed marriage? How old is she? Geez ...
44

(In her defense, it could be her sister's ex-husband)

[Adeniz19]

She has a failed marriage? How old is she? Geez ...her sister had the failed marriage.

[Jason Tate]

Ha, Republicans are saying they welcome the "experience" questions about Palin stating that she has more executive experience than either Obama and Biden. Well, Bush had 4 more years of executive experience, in a bigger, more important, and more diverse state at that, and yet look how his Presidency has turned out.
What's this "executive" bullshit now?

Wouldn't the counter be ... "ok, well, then she has more 'executive experience' than McCain as well"?

[Lueda Alia]

You guys should check this (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12969.html) out.

[Jason Tate]

44

(In her defense, it could be her sister's ex-husband)

her sister had the failed marriage.

Gotcha. Makes sense.

[nfggc10]

What's this "executive" bullshit now?

Wouldn't the counter be ... "ok, well, then she has more 'executive experience' than McCain as well"?Great point and you can add that to the list Democrats need to use going forward.

[GiggsOho]

You guys should check this (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12969.html) out.


Tate's got the YouTube clip up of this a few pages back.

[Adeniz19]

You guys should check this (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12969.html) out.haha jason posted the video of that in here already.... i'm still baffled by all of this

[Mercy Medical]

You guys should check this (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12969.html) out.
Hahaha, wow.

This choice just seems like a joke. It feels like there was no true thought put into it whatsoever.

[HelpMeSleep]

The Democrats can't use the age argument nearly as much.

She will destroy Biden in picking up Blue-collar voters.



This forum = dumbasses!
why the fuck not? I think it's even more relevant now. we have fucking old ass McCain, and who knows if he'll make it 4 years or if something will happen to him as does often happen with really old people. and this is what he's picked as his replacement? this young, inexperienced woman? I think it's stupid.

Mistake by Mccain. The guy is a fucking idiot. Hes such a shiester, id vote for a monkey over him.

He obviously only picked this conservative chick just because shes a woman and he thinks that will sway dems to him (which i hope it doesnt.) She is a fucking governor from a small place in alaska which equals NO people and NO real time experience.

How can Mccain that hypocrite mother fucker ever say anything about obamas inexperience when he picks this chick who's past occupations in recent years are; "Congressional Quarterly notes Palin's other past occupations, including commercial fishing company owner; outdoor recreational equipment company owner; and sports reporter."

Unbeleivable. I dont see how its possible but if Mccain becomes president I am moving out of this fucking country.
all of this. and I'm right there with you with moving out of the country if he were to win.

Man I hope our new VP for the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA is a really conservative woman who knows a lot about outdoor recreation and sporting goods in Alaska and hardly anything about the majority of the middle class American people of the rest of the country! :-)
hahahaha.

Palin has more executive experience than Obama and Biden combined.
you're kidding yourself. sure they may be considered executive... but it's less than two years as the governor of one of the least populated states in our country and mayor of some town that probably no one's even heard of. I'd hardly qualify that as experience.

[RedWineSheets]

Still cant get over how dumb this pick is.

[HelpMeSleep]

What's this "executive" bullshit now?

Wouldn't the counter be ... "ok, well, then she has more 'executive experience' than McCain as well"?
hahaha. exactly.

[Jason Tate]

It seems as though the party is using her as a first-lady, not a VP.

[Lueda Alia]

I really hope Republicans turn against him for making this choice.

[Adeniz19]

It seems as though the party is using her as a first-lady, not a VP.i guess cindy needs someone to have tea parties with.

[captainhampton]

I really hope Republicans turn against him for making this choice.

not likely. in fact, the opposite may occur.

[Jason Tate]

I really hope Republicans turn against him for making this choice.
I have a hard time believing this would have been Karl Rove's choice.

If that's good or bad is up to debate ... but I haven't been able to wrap my head around why this would be a smart move? It immediately removes your arguments against the other party and doesn't bolster your defense against theirs. Unlike Obama's decision which removes their arguments against you - and aides yours against them.

Now it's important that the democrats are able to get their message across.

[HelpMeSleep]

I really hope Republicans turn against him for making this choice.
I hope so too.

[Jason Tate]

not likely. in fact, the opposite may occur.
Watching Twitter you can see plenty of Republicans announcing their switch of parties or "I'm now staying home in November."

[Lueda Alia]

not likely. in fact, the opposite may occur.
I have a hard time understanding how this strengthens the ticket at all.

[WarpSpeedChewy]

Hopefully they make their response known soon. I'm curious to the Obama/Biden response.

[captainhampton]

Watching Twitter you can see plenty of Republicans announcing their switch of parties or "I'm now staying home in November."

are you talking about the more moderate republicans or the conservative base?

[Lueda Alia]

Hopefully they make their response known soon. I'm curious to the Obama/Biden response.
I hope they use the "inexperienced" card. A lot.

[deadstar]

I have a hard time believing this would have been Karl Rove's choice.

If that's good or bad is up to debate ... but I haven't been able to wrap my head around why this would be a smart move? It immediately removes your arguments against the other party and doesn't bolster your defense against theirs. Unlike Obama's decision which removes their arguments against you - and aides yours against them.

Now it's important that the democrats are able to get their message across.
As many are saying, it may take some attacks away from the Republicans, but it also paints the picture of McCain's ticket being of reform.

[captainhampton]

I have a hard time understanding how this strengthens the ticket at all.

this takes care of the conservative base, which wasn't 100 percent sold on McCain.

[RedWineSheets]

Republicans want to make foreign policy the key issue, Palin has zero. Nothing in her background makes me think she is capable of being a President, with McCain's age and questionable health his VP pick is more important than it normally would be. This makes no sense. Such a transparent ploy to get Hillary voters, which is sad and funny at the same time.

[Jason Tate]

are you talking about the more moderate republicans or the conservative base?
I'm talking about people that would have voted McCain that are now not.

[Lueda Alia]

this takes care of the conservative base, which wasn't 100 percent sold on McCain.
Does she know anything about the Economy (one of McCain's biggest weaknesses)?

[s.t.e.v.e.n.]

i think it just hit me that if McCain dies, she is President

Compare that to if something happens to Obama

no contest

[Jason Tate]

As many are saying, it may take some attacks away from the Republicans, but it also paints the picture of McCain's ticket being of reform.
Voting records determine your "reform" or lack thereof. Both of their records are far from.

[captainhampton]

Does she know anything about the Economy (one of McCain's biggest weaknesses)?

actually yes that is one of her strengths. like others have said, foreign policy is the obvious weakness for her right now. it'll be interesting to see her go against Biden on this.

[KidRobot]

Unbeleivable. I dont see how its possible but if Mccain becomes president I am moving out of this fucking country.

http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/02/24/75-threatening-to-move-to-canada/

[deadstar]

Voting records determine your "reform" or lack thereof. Both of their records are far from.
Says who. Attempting to shed the "old man country club" image that is the Republican party might not be such a bad idea.

[Jason Tate]

actually yes that is one of her strengths. like others have said, foreign policy is the obvious weakness for her right now. it'll be interesting to see her go against Biden on this.
Could you expand on how one of the strengths of a 1/2 term governor, with a pretty week educational resume, is the national economy?

[saysmydoctor]

actually yes that is one of her strengths. like others have said, foreign policy is the obvious weakness for her right now. it'll be interesting to see her go against Biden on this.
Shut the fuck up, you are pulling that out of your ass. What makes it a strength? She sold a jet on eBay, that doesn't mean she is a pro.

[Jason Tate]

Says who. Attempting to shed the "old man country club" image that is the Republican party might not be such a bad idea.
Says smart people? You can't just attach a woman to your party ticket and think that changes who you are ... McSame is still boring, the party is still stagy. They won based upon that for 8 years - that's who elected them.

[captainhampton]

Could you expand on how one of the strengths of a 1/2 term governor, with a pretty week educational resume, is the national economy?

from the conservative perspective, she has a reputation for cutting unnecessary spending and cutting taxes. I know this may not appeal to you and your ideas on how to run the economy, but conservatives are desperate for someone who is more fiscally responsible.

[RedWineSheets]

Shut the fuck up, you are pulling that out of your ass. What makes it a strength? She sold a jet on eBay, that doesn't mean she is a pro.

:lol:

[Jason Tate]

I think the guy speaking just made a good point at her lack of "campaigning" ability. Getting out to raise money, campaign, and bring in votes.

[deadstar]

Says smart people? You can't just attach a woman to your party ticket and think that changes who you are ... McSame is still boring, the party is still stagy. They won based upon that for 8 years - that's who elected them.
Missing the point, but I dont really expect you to see it anyway.

I think its an interesting pick and am excited to see how this plays out.

[Jason Tate]

from the conservative perspective, she has a reputation for cutting unnecessary spending and cutting taxes. I know this may not appeal to you and your ideas on how to run the economy, but conservatives are desperate for someone who is more fiscally responsible.
That doesn't answer my question.

[HelpMeSleep]

i think it just hit me that if McCain dies, she is President

Compare that to if something happens to Obama

no contest
exactly. and McCain is actually really old, so I think it's a lot more of an issue for him.

[Jason Tate]

Missing the point, but I dont really expect you to see it anyway.

I think its an interesting pick and am excited to see how this plays out.
Maybe you should better word your point.

[Lueda Alia]

I think the guy speaking just made a good point at her lack of "campaigning" ability. Getting out to raise money, campaign, and bring in votes.
Doesn't she have a four month old kid with down syndrome too? I imagine that doesn't make it any easier to go out there and raise money.

[Adeniz19]

from the conservative perspective, she has a reputation for cutting unnecessary spending and cutting taxes. I know this may not appeal to you and your ideas on how to run the economy, but conservatives are desperate for someone who is more fiscally responsible.
it seems pretty easy to be more fiscally responsible in a state with only 600k people

[Jason Tate]

Doesn't she have a four month old kid with down syndrome too? I imagine that doesn't make it any easier to go out there and raise money.
I actually feel bad for the kid ... I hope he's getting the attention he needs somewhere.

[Jason Tate]

Palin is governor of a state that is 23 years younger than McCain.

[Adeniz19]

I actually feel bad for the kid ... I hope he's getting the attention he needs somewhere.
well he has 4 other siblings.

[captainhampton]

it seems pretty easy to be more fiscally responsible in a state with only 600k people

not as easy as you'd think in a state with as much corruption as Alaska. Her 80 percent approval rating isn't too bad either.

[alaskan]

it seems pretty easy to be more fiscally responsible in a state with only 600k people
except we are one of the richest states there is, oil company ring a bell

[WarpSpeedChewy]

I wonder if we are underestimating the effect this will have on republicans. Though I think once she start actively participating in the election and has to deal with having no real substantive record on a number of issues and actually has to start dealing with Obama/Biden, she will start looking weaker.

I hope they use the "inexperienced" card. A lot.
Same. I hope they tread carefully though because I don't want it to play like they are coming down on the woman. They need to directly take her to task on her record (or lack there of) in reference to the economy and foreign policy ASAP. Basically show she is of little substance. I think it will happen once she gets out into the election more.

http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/02/24/75-threatening-to-move-to-canada/
Hahahahaha......too true.

[alaskan]

Palin is governor of a state that is 23 years younger than McCain.
and obama is five years younger than the state, and only three years older than palin, what is with the scrutiny of age, i realize mccain is old, but come on

[Adeniz19]

except we are one of the richest states there is, oil company ring a bellhow does that prove she is in touch with the rest of the country and their needs?

[GiggsOho]

Palin is governor of a state that is 23 years younger than McCain.


And this right here needs to be printed on T-shirts.

[captainhampton]

except we are one of the richest states there is, oil company ring a bell

how do the majority feel about her in Alaska? I know open mind is from there too, I'm interested in knowing what her reputation is over there.

[Lueda Alia]

and obama is five years younger than the state, and only three years older than palin, what is with the scrutiny of age, i realize mccain is old, but come on
He is too old.

[alaskan]

I wonder if we are underestimating the effect this will have on republicans. Though I think once she start actively participating in the election and has to deal with having no real substantive record on a number of issues and actually has to start dealing with Obama/Biden, she will start looking weaker.


Same. I hope they tread carefully though because I don't want it to play like they are coming down on the women. They need to directly take her to task on her record (or lack there of) in reference to the economy and foreign policy ASAP. Basically show she is of little substance. I htink it will happen once she gets out into the election more.


and obama is so much more versed than palin? look at the records

[alaskan]

how does that prove she is in touch with the rest of the country and their needs?
i was referring to her fiscal responsibility

[Jason Tate]

and obama is five years younger than the state, and only three years older than palin, what is with the scrutiny of age, i realize mccain is old, but come on
I know. I found it interesting. Chill out.

[Jason Tate]

and obama is so much more versed than palin? look at the records
Yes.

[alaskan]

how do the majority feel about her in Alaska? I know open mind is from there too, I'm interested in knowing what her reputation is over there.
alaska loves her, she oused murkowsi, and ran with very little funding, she has done nothing but help alaskans, she is good for the people, not herself. we are losing a great governor if she is taken as VP, she has distanced herself from stevens/ young, as they are under federal investigation

[WarpSpeedChewy]

and obama is so much more versed than palin? look at the records
Obama is far more credible on economic matter than Palin or McCain for that matter ever will be.

[Adeniz19]

i was referring to her fiscal responsibilityso am i. if every state could drill oil then i don't think we would be having the problems we do now.

[oldwirehands]

this shits retarded.

[saysmydoctor]

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/29/clyburn-says-palin-is-risky-could-be-a-disaster/

[RedWineSheets]

You can't out "change" Obama just by putting a woman on the ticket, especially when you are promoting the ideas of the past.

[deadstar]

You can't out "change" Obama just by putting a woman on the ticket, especially when you are promoting the ideas of the past.
McCain doesnt have to "out change" Obama, he just needs to distance himself from Bush more.

[windmillninja]

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/29/clyburn-says-palin-is-risky-could-be-a-disaster/

This just in: Democrats think something a Republican did was a bad idea. News at 11.

[Lueda Alia]

McCain doesnt have to "out change" Obama, he just needs to distance himself from Bush more.
Good luck with that.

[saysmydoctor]

This just in: Democrats think something a Republican did was a bad idea. News at 11.
I see what you did here.

[saysmydoctor]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/29/rollins.palin/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/29/begala.palin/index.html

[Jason Tate]

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/29/clyburn-says-palin-is-risky-could-be-a-disaster/
I just read that a little bit ago.

[Jason Tate]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/29/rollins.palin/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/29/begala.palin/index.html
I liked this quote, "For a man who is 72 years old and has had four bouts with cancer to have chosen someone so completely unqualified to become president is shockingly irresponsible. Suddenly, McCain's age and health become central issues in the campaign, as does his judgment."

[Adeniz19]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/29/rollins.palin/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/29/begala.palin/index.htmlgood reads

[Adeniz19]

"And she was runner-up for the Miss Alaska title, won Miss Congeniality in that contest, and plays the flute."

i found that hilarious

[saysmydoctor]

I think the age card is a low blow, politically. I do not like it.

[HelpMeSleep]

this was amusing. my dad's been on business calls all morning and he finally comes out of the office and I'm just like "hey Dad, did you hear about McCain's pick?" and he's just like "who? that MN governor?" and I tell him her name and he's just like "who?" so I start telling him about her and he laughs and is just like "no, it's a joke. where did you read this?" and he goes back into his office and checks CNN's website and we have a good laugh when he sees it's for real.

[saysmydoctor]

She has been compared to Dan Quayle and Geraldine Ferraro.

You're done.

[HelpMeSleep]

I liked this quote, "For a man who is 72 years old and has had four bouts with cancer to have chosen someone so completely unqualified to become president is shockingly irresponsible. Suddenly, McCain's age and health become central issues in the campaign, as does his judgment."
great quote. great point.

[Broken Parachute]

How? He's hoping choosing a female will sway the Hillary supporters his way, but that just shows you how big of idiots those supporters are if they are willing to vote for someone solely based on the fact that she's female, not based on her stances as a politician. It just shows you how big of idiots McCain sees his supporters of being. Also, she has little to no experience. McCain's main attack on Obama is his lack of experience. Obama obviously knows that's his weakness and chose a VP with experience. Smart move. Where's the intelligent move in choosing a VP with very little experience when that's your main attack on the other opponent. It's hypocritical.The funny thing is, there are stupid people like that...so I wouldn't be surprised.

[Adeniz19]

"
Speaking of celebrities, Barack Obama proved why he is one at INVESCO Field, home of the Denver Broncos, last night before 85,000 crying, cheering adoring fans. And what's wrong with that? He is a real talent and he excites and inspires his supporters.
Those of us who are not supporters need to step back and quit watching in awe and prepare for battle. Obama's natural and developed speaking style is unchallengeable."






Wow, REALLY!?

[Lueda Alia]

"
Speaking of celebrities, Barack Obama proved why he is one at INVESCO Field, home of the Denver Broncos, last night before 85,000 crying, cheering adoring fans. And what's wrong with that? He is a real talent and he excites and inspires his supporters.
Those of us who are not supporters need to step back and quit watching in awe and prepare for battle. Obama's natural and developed speaking style is unchallengeable."






Wow, REALLY!?
Who said that?

[vaguestcargo]

he's playing to the crowd who are a bunch of idiots and trying to sway the female vote his way.



This right here is the problem. Americans, in general, are a bunch of idiots. You'll have the slew of bitter, hillary-supporting feminazis that REFUSE to vote for Obama simply because he won, who'll be ready to vote for McCain solely because he'll put a woman in the office. Forget the fact it'll be another 4 years of a Bush admin... forget the fact McCain will be dead in the next two years and we'll have a 2-year GOVERNOR as president... forget the issues...we need some vagina in the white house no matter the cost..

and as an obama supporter, I'll admit i AM concerned about this pick, as the American public just may be stupid enough to fall for this move.

[Adeniz19]

Who said that?ed rollins in that cnn link. yea, lets just totally ignore one side and go blindly with the other.

[Jason Tate]

"
Speaking of celebrities, Barack Obama proved why he is one at INVESCO Field, home of the Denver Broncos, last night before 85,000 crying, cheering adoring fans. And what's wrong with that? He is a real talent and he excites and inspires his supporters.
Those of us who are not supporters need to step back and quit watching in awe and prepare for battle. Obama's natural and developed speaking style is unchallengeable."






Wow, REALLY!?
:lol:

[Broken Parachute]

Anyone have any links with information on her policies?

On The Issues has nothing.

[saysmydoctor]

Five kids? Does she have a vagina or a clown car?

[HelpMeSleep]

"
Speaking of celebrities, Barack Obama proved why he is one at INVESCO Field, home of the Denver Broncos, last night before 85,000 crying, cheering adoring fans. And what's wrong with that? He is a real talent and he excites and inspires his supporters.
Those of us who are not supporters need to step back and quit watching in awe and prepare for battle. Obama's natural and developed speaking style is unchallengeable."






Wow, REALLY!?
I still find the whole Obama's a celebrity argument to be so stupid. because he's actually well liked and incredibly popular that makes him a celebrity? come on.

[lightcollapse]

Remember when republicans criticized John Edwards for running for president when his wife had cancer?
What are they going to say about a woman who's running for vice president when she just had a 4 month old with downs syndrome?

[WarpSpeedChewy]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/29/rollins.palin/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/29/begala.palin/index.html
Paul Begala is great. I love this quote.

"He passed over Mitt Romney, who ran a big state, Massachusetts; a big company, Bain Capital; and a big event, the Olympics.
He passed over Kay Bailey Hutchison, the Texas senator who is knowledgeable about the military, good on television, and -- obviously -- a woman.
He passed over Joe Lieberman, his best friend in the Senate and fellow Iraq Kool-Aid drinker."

Really looking forward to seeing James Carville's response to this.

[windmillninja]

"Obama's natural and developed speaking style is unchallengeable."


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[Adeniz19]

Five kids? Does she have a vagina or a clown car?mccain + palin = 13 kids in total hahaha

[Jason Tate]

Anyone have any links with information on her policies?

On The Issues has nothing.
That says a lot ...

[vaguestcargo]

She has foreign policy experience, as governor of Alaska. At least, AnarchyintheUS says so.

haha awww... saysmy's right back at it... ever get through to cspan?

(apologies on this being 3 hours late...i'm trying to get caught up)

[captainhampton]

Five kids? Does she have a vagina or a clown car?

I really don't see how anyone can have any respect for you.