Sarah Palin Hiding Daughter's Pregnancy

[anamericangod]

Take a gander.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/30/121350/137

[anamericangod]

Lol why am I the only one awake right now to enjoy this story.

[Rawrr]

Doesn't she have some other controversy going on currently as well?

[Nevuk]

Yeah, she got her sistes ex-husband fired from his job

[anamericangod]

Doesn't she have some other controversy going on currently as well?

This is wayyyy beyond that one. This is like, fucked up on a human level.

Passing off her daughter's bastard child as her own 5th kid? What in the fuck is she thinking?

[Rawrr]

http://web.me.com/dnksr/vpilf.com/SARAH_PALIN__Vice_President_Nominee /Entries/2008/8/16_McCain_to_meet_with_Palin_files/wwp-photo2.jpg
Would

[Nevuk]

I think she was thinking its almost impossible to prove either way, and no one would notice. Which probably no one would have except for vindictive liberal computer geeks.

[anamericangod]

Vindictive liberal computer geeks, lol.

I think there's a slight difference between those and investigative reporters.

[Nevuk]

Vindictive liberal computer geeks, lol.

I think there's a slight difference between those and investigative reporters.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/12/30/105756/86/843/175108

... that's the only other story the guy has done. "
NY TIMES / AOL: Gay Cowboy Wizards ARE THE DEVIL."


I dunno, they don't seem like an investigative reporter. I don't think being a vindictive computer geek is a bad thing, its just funny that they are probably the best at holding politicians accountable for mistakes.

And I do not think that this is the appropriate thing to focus on. These allegations whether true or not will fuck up her daughter's life, and there are some other, actually verifiable evidence other than "well, it looks like she was sucking in her gut" that are far more crucial. I'm fairly sure at this point the only way we'll know if it happened is if someone confesses. Hard evidence would have to be voluntarily submitted to (DNA testing, etc. Is that even confirmable?). Or a video of the child being born, I guess.

[anamericangod]

This opens a giant can of worms and possible conspiracy theories.

She's a potential VP. George Bush wants her in the White House. Who's to say a DNA test can't be staged?

This is unreal.

[Nevuk]

This opens a giant can of worms and possible conspiracy theories.

She's a potential VP. George Bush wants her in the White House. Who's to say a DNA test can't be staged?

This is unreal.
Exactly what I'm saying. It is not possible to prove this one or the other, and pursuit of it will probably damage the side making the accusation more than the accused.

[splitsecond]

If you think the Daily Koz is a reliable source you are simply out of your fucking mind.

[Nevuk]

If you think the Daily Koz is a reliable source you are simply out of your fucking mind.
This too

[anamericangod]

If you think the Daily Koz is a reliable source you are simply out of your fucking mind.

It gets around 20 million hits a month. It's not like it's Rense.com.

[Nevuk]

just pointing out- there's less evidence presented here than the 9/11 truthers have.

[anamericangod]

just pointing out- there's less evidence presented here than the 9/11 truthers have.

Horrible comparison.

[splitsecond]

It gets around 20 million hits a month. It's not like it's Rense.com.

So? Ann Coulter sells millions of books. Does that make her reliable?

[Nevuk]

Horrible comparison.
Why? The logic presented quite strongly reminds me of that specific conspiracy theory in that rather than it seeming likely, it looks like there is a small possibility of truth.

[anamericangod]

So? Ann Coulter sells millions of books. Does that make her reliable?

There's plenty of information on Kos that is completely reliable.

This can be looked at 2 ways.

1. It's her kid and she was completely irresponsible during the pregnancy.
2. It's not her kid and this is a cover up.

Why? The logic presented quite strongly reminds me of that specific conspiracy theory in that rather than it seeming likely, it looks like there is a small possibility of truth.

9-11 is something we've had 7 years to pick apart. This story is just now surfacing, whether it's true or not.

[splitsecond]

He is being a retard about this (no pun intended) so I wouldn't bother arguing with him right now.

[Nevuk]

Ok, I just saw this comment by Sue Williams: http://mudflats.wordpress.com/2008/08/30/off-to-the-land-of-palin/#comments

It offers the shocking conclusion that both the mother and daughter were pregnant. Does the person cite their credentials? No, but its a valid explanation either way.

... I can't believe I'm defending fucking McCain's vice presidential nominee.

To the person who commented on Sarah’s hair - no, it’s what happens when one has hair extensions - which Sarah, at one time, don’t know about now, had.
Re: babygate - I don’t know what’s being reported. Here, however, is the truth. Trig is Sarah and Todd’s baby.
When Sarah first learned she was pregnant, it was shocking and overwhelming. While she and Todd had not planned to have anymore children, it is common knowledge among their family and friends that neither of them ever surgically insured that they wouldn’t have any “late in life” surprises/blessings.
This, to me, showed a disturbing lack of judgement. If you want to ask the citizens of a state to let you run the state for four years, to me she and Todd should have thought ahead and determined that the possibility of an unplanned pregnancy wouldn’t have been prudent for either the child, their family, their extended family (who are the ones who end up helping them raise their current four children) or the citizens of the state.
They either didn’t think this through, or didn’t care. Not sure. But, either way, to me and to others, it was a lack of foresight and judgement.
But it is the same vein - this lack of judgement - Sarah showed, on the campaign trail for governor, when asked who would raise her children should she win, she promptly stated that Todd would quit his job and stay at home with the kids (Todd works a “Slope” week on/week off schedule).
Sarah was elected and then - whoops. Todd didn’t like the stay at home gig - so Sarah, citing they needed money for the kid’s college (even though Track enlisted in the military) said Todd was returning to work. When asked about her statements on the campaign trail about how Todd would quit his job, Sarah said she’d actually never talked to him about what they would do if she was elected (in terms of his employment) and that she’d spoken out of turn when she spoke for him stating he’d quit his job.
Again, call me picky, but this is the kind of bizarre judgement Sarah routinely displays. Are you kidding me that she would run for governor and she and her husband would somehow not think to have a conversation about what to do with their four school aged kids? That’s insane. So, either her judgement is super goofy, or she wasn’t telling the truth. Either way, it’s not reassuring to now think this is someone who would be one 72 year old heartbeat away from having to call shots for the country/world.
So Todd trots himself back to work and Sarah is busy traipsing around the state and the nation. The kids are “farmed out” (this is the word used by thier associates in “the Valley”) to family and friends to raise while Todd and Sarah are off having their respective careers (Sarah is famously quoted as saying, “My mom does whatever I need her to”).
During this period is when Bristol, Sarah’s sixteen year old daughter, turns up pregnant. So, it’s kind of interesting to note that the Republican Vice Presidential Nominee and her sixteen year old junior in high school unwed daughter were carrying babies at the same time. Once Bristol’s condition became more obvious this summer, she was whisked out of sight and hasn’t been seen in public until yesterday in Ohio. This is why Trig’s blanket was strung across her entire abdomen and torso, but, when she walked down the stairs from the stage, in a profile shot, it was very clear to see she is well into her third trimester of her pregnancy.
It has come out in the past couple of days that she and her high school boyfriend had a quickie wedding and that she is home schooling her senior year.
The Anchorage Daily News has known about this for months - and haven’t touched the story. But I can’t imagine the national press or the Democratic Party will be as willing to turn a blind eye.
For me, once again it speaks to judgement. We all - every single one of us - even Sarah’s closest friends in the Valley (I know, I’ve been speaking to them) know she is in no way qualified for this position. At all.
But then, why would she accept the nomination, knowing that Bristol’s situation will come to light and knowing her hunger for national and international acclaim and attention will carry with it a mighty high price for her seventeen year old daughter who had absent parents last year and who turned up pregnant.
How embarrassing will it be for Bristol once the news (or the baby) comes out and not just the Valley, not just Alaska, not just the USA - but Bristol will be known the world over as the seventeen year old unwed - then quickly wed senior-in-high-school-homeschooled-teenage mom and daughter to the Republican Vice Presidential Nominee?
How hard will that degree of scrutiny and shame be?
How does one do that to one’s daughter?
How does one dash about the country for the next 66 days trying to pull off an image of the devoted mother of five when she, by and large, isn’t the one raising them and when one of them - her daughter, is in a truly vulnerable point in life; not to say anything about the needs of Trig. But maybe he doesn’t count, except as a talking point or a photo prop. But this is a person, a little boy who is going to require a tremendous amount of time and attention. From his mother.
This is okay?

[anamericangod]

I'm not sure how that article is in defense of her...

[Nevuk]

I'm not sure how that article is in defense of her...
It's not a defense per se, in fact none of them on the site like Palin as far as I can tell, but it does address the baby pregnancy thing.

[dai the flu]

so in other words...its irresponsible for a mother to hold a position and neglect her family
this brings up a question for me.
its never been wrong for a father to do this? how many men have fathered children while in office or right before? if sarah palin is going to be criticized for putting her career ahead of raising her kids, why stop with her? how about obama and his daughters?
this is ridiculous. find a real issue to talk about.

[splitsecond]

so in other words...its irresponsible for a mother to hold a position and neglect her family
this brings up a question for me.
its never been wrong for a father to do this? how many men have fathered children while in office or right before? if sarah palin is going to be criticized for putting her career ahead of raising her kids, why stop with her? how about obama and his daughters?
this is ridiculous. find a real issue to talk about.

Exactly. Lets also not forget that this is based entirely on hearsay and conjecture at this point as well. If this is the best the Obama crowd can muster, they are in trouble.

[anamericangod]

Exactly. Lets also not forget that this is based entirely on hearsay and conjecture at this point as well. If this is the best the Obama crowd can muster, they are in trouble.

I think a lot of people would agree that it's wrong for a mother to neglect her family. That kind of goes against the principle of being a mother.

This isn't "the best the Obama crowd can muster." It's one article of many out there.

For some reason the fact that this woman has little to no qualification for the VP position isn't causing much alarm among the Republican base. Why? Because this is nothing more than an image based selection.

McCain supporters have a nasty habit lately of ignoring substance and logic.

[captainhampton]

so in other words...its irresponsible for a mother to hold a position and neglect her family
this brings up a question for me.
its never been wrong for a father to do this? how many men have fathered children while in office or right before? if sarah palin is going to be criticized for putting her career ahead of raising her kids, why stop with her? how about obama and his daughters?
this is ridiculous. find a real issue to talk about.

this.

anamericangod, cmon give it up. you have no evidence to any of your claims.

[Lueda Alia]

so in other words...its irresponsible for a mother to hold a position and neglect her family
this brings up a question for me.
its never been wrong for a father to do this? how many men have fathered children while in office or right before? if sarah palin is going to be criticized for putting her career ahead of raising her kids, why stop with her? how about obama and his daughters?
this is ridiculous. find a real issue to talk about.
Like Republicans have found real issues to talk about? I recall hearing rumors about Obama being a Muslim, lying about his birth certificate, being involved with Rezko, connected to Ayers and somehow being a terrorist because of it, etc. I guess it hurts when the same kind of distortions are thrown your way as well.

I don't know if this is true yet, but even if it is, I'm sure Republicans will find a way to justify her actions and forgive her.

[captainhampton]

Like Republicans have found real issues to talk about? I recall hearing rumors about Obama being a Muslim, lying about his birth certificate, being involved with Rezko, connected to Ayers and somehow being a terrorist because of it, etc. I guess it hurts when the same kind of distortions are thrown your way as well.

I don't know if this is true yet, but even if it is, I'm sure Republicans will find a way to justify her actions and forgive her.

no one is saying republicans don't engage in the same kind of smear campaigns. you could at least admit that what they are doing now is a little sleazy.

[Lueda Alia]

no one is saying republicans don't engage in the same kind of smear campaigns. you could at least admit that what they are doing now is a little sleazy.
And I never said that. I was simply pointing out that people are hypocrites. Aren't you one of the people that still kept insisting that Kerry lied about activities in Vietnam? Even after that whole "issue" was proven to be a lie? Because that's even worse.

If it turns out to be a lie, then yeah, but what if there's some truth to it? If she finds a way to disapprove the rumors, then I will believe it and I'll think people are retarded for pushing this rumor afterward. But either way, she's a very irresponsible mother for a) flying while she was 7 months into the pregnancy, or b) covering this up and not supporting her daughter the right way.

[captainhampton]

Kerry did lie.

[Lueda Alia]

Kerry did lie.
There we go.

Thanks for proving my point (unless you're being sarcastic).

[captainhampton]

There we go.

Thanks for proving my point (unless you're being sarcastic).

let's not get off topic with Kerry.

back to what you are saying. I don't think it is fair for people like you to pass judgement on what she did during her preganancy. unless you were with her throughout those 9 months, you have no fucking right to pass judgement on how she could have possibly hurt her child. all you know is what people are reporting and acting like it is fact. you are a hypocrite because you still fail to condemn this witch hunt. you would be going BESERK if someone was doing something like this to Michelle Obama. this is dirty politics, but since it is a republican, it might be true so it's ok right?

[Lueda Alia]

let's not get off topic with Kerry.

back to what you are saying. I don't think it is fair for people like you to pass judgement on what she did during her preganancy. unless you were with her throughout those 9 months, you have no fucking right to pass judgement on how she could have possibly hurt her child. all you know is what people are reporting and acting like it is fact. you are a hypocrite because you still fail to condemn this witch hunt. you would be going BESERK if someone was doing something like this to Michelle Obama. this is dirty politics, but since it is a republican, it might be true so it's ok right?
I'll just quote you, because some of the things you said apply to you more than they do to me - as proven by your post above.

[captainhampton]

I'll just quote you, because some of the things you said apply to you more than they do to me - as proven by your post above.

or you just can't respond to the truth?

anyways since we're talking about smear campaigns.
1. The people who are wasting time on Obama's birth certificate are idiots.
2. when people make fun of his middle name it is immature
3. the witch hunt to try and show that he is muslim is laughable.

look i can go on. I don't like Obama's politics and that's why Im not voting for him, but unlike you, I have the guts to call bullshit smear campaigns what they are.

[windmillninja]

You "enjoy this", and that's kind of saddening. Who's more likely to give birth to a baby with Downs Syndrome? My money's on a 44 year old woman, but that's just me.

[Lueda Alia]

or you just can't respond to the truth?

anyways since we're talking about smear campaigns.
1. The people who are wasting time on Obama's birth certificate are idiots.
2. when people make fun of his middle name it is immature
3. the witch hunt to try and show that he is muslim is laughable.

look i can go on. I don't like Obama's politics and that's why Im not voting for him, but unlike you, I have the guts to call bullshit smear campaigns what they are.
Right, like the Kerry issue.

And I have no desire to debate with you, I never do. That's why I don't bother writing long replies to you. I've tried it before and it only falls on deaf ears. I'd rather let other people rip you apart.

[thespearkid]

This doesn't seem like something we should focus on. Just doesn't seem right.

[captainhampton]

You "enjoy this", and that's kind of saddening. Who's more likely to give birth to a baby with Downs Syndrome? My money's on a 44 year old woman, but that's just me.

these people think that somehow the governor of Alaska organized this cover up for 9 months and no one in the state noticed that THE GOVERNOR wasn't pregnant and that it was actually her daughter. they sound like 9/11 truthers.

[captainhampton]

This doesn't seem like something we should focus on. Just doesn't seem right.

good for you to step up and say this. and I know you are no McCain fan.

Why are American elections fought over 'scandals' and not policies?

i don't get it either. this stuff isn't important. just look at the issues and vote based on that. I wish that was how it worked.

[lauren<3s music]

IS there actually any proof of this? I mean we all know I'm not the biggest republican fan, but this just does not seem possible

[Lueda Alia]

IS there actually any proof of this? I mean we all know I'm not the biggest republican fan, but this just does not seem possible
At this point, only time will tell whether this is just a rumor or the truth.

[captainhampton]

Right, like the Kerry issue.

And I have no desire to debate with you, I never do. That's why I don't bother writing long replies to you. I've tried it before and it only falls on deaf ears. I'd rather let other people rip you apart.

you won't debate with me because you are gutless. I had the guts to call some of the Obama smear campaigns bullshit, now it's your turn. Do you have the guts to call this Palin stuff what it is?

[lauren<3s music]

Why are American elections fought over 'scandals' and not policies?

It's sad, but something like this is a complete character flaw [if it is in fact true] and character is just as important as policy.

At this point, only time will tell whether this is just a rumor or the truth.

Well they could just throw Edwards back in the Dems face. sigh

[Lueda Alia]

you won't debate with me because you are gutless. I had the guts to call some of the Obama smear campaigns bullshit, now it's your turn. Do you have the guts to call this Palin stuff what it is?
No, because I don't know for sure (and by that, I mean 100%) whether this is a rumor or the truth. If it turns out that it is just a rumor, then I will "call it what it is."

And keep compliments to yourself.

[Lueda Alia]

It is very frustrating even as an outsider. It seems to me that 80% of people vote for the same party every time purely because it is "their" party, 15% vote based on misconceptions or mud slinging and a small minority vote actually based on who the best candidate is.

The UK isn't much better but there isn't the same importance put on stupid stuff like whether a candidate wears a flag badge or other crap like that.
That's how Bush won the election in 2004. Scare tactics and smears.

[captainhampton]

No, because I don't know for sure (and by that, I mean 100%) whether this is a rumor or the truth. If it turns out that it is just a rumor, then I will "call it what it is."

And keep compliments to yourself.

if this were a story about Michelle Obama, you'd have called it bullshit. that is the truth.

[lauren<3s music]

That's how Bush won the election in 2004. Scare tactics and smears.
don't forget the mass ignorance of the majority of the american people.

[Lueda Alia]

It's sad, but something like this is a complete character flaw [if it is in fact true] and character is just as important as policy.



Well they could just throw Edwards back in the Dems face. sigh
I don't see how that would be relevant since he has nothing to do with the campaign at this point. Though I'm sure they would try to find a way to spin that anyway.

[lauren<3s music]

if this were a story about Michelle Obama, you'd have called it bullshit. that is the truth.
well since her daughters are like 11 and 8, yes asshole she would. why do you bother posting in the politics forum anymore? you offer nothing of value EVER.

[Lueda Alia]

if this were a story about Michelle Obama, you'd have called it bullshit. that is the truth.
Thanks for letting me know that you know me better than I know myself.

[lauren<3s music]

I don't see how that would be relevant since he has nothing to do with the campaign at this point. Though I'm sure they would try to find a way to spin that anyway.
of course they would. after all they are the party of morality [who also cheat on their wives, engage in male prostitution, etc] and limited gov't [the examples here are endless]

[Lueda Alia]

well since her daughters are like 11 and 8, yes asshole she would. why do you bother posting in the politics forum anymore? you offer nothing of value EVER.
I just find it funny that he thinks he knows how I would react. But as you pointed out, this story would be impossible the other way around.

Let's not forget that there were people in the News thread who "passed judgment" on Obama for not letting his kids (especially his 8 year old) know where he is 24/7.

[captainhampton]

well since her daughters are like 11 and 8, yes asshole she would. why do you bother posting in the politics forum anymore? you offer nothing of value EVER.

i'm speaking in what ifs. i'm aware the age of Obama's daughters.

[Lueda Alia]

of course they would. after all they are the party of morality [who also cheat on their wives, engage in male prostitution, etc] and limited gov't [the examples here are endless]
The worst part is that a lot of people still consider them "the party of morality."

[lauren<3s music]

I just find it funny that he thinks he knows how I would react. But as you pointed out, this story would be impossible the other way around.

Let's not forget that there were people in the News thread who "passed judgment" on Obama for not letting his kids (especially his 8 year old) know where he is 24/7.

well of course. i mean after all you are the one who always posts unreasonable 'what ifs' just to argue with people :rolleyes:

again, people are for the most part morons

i'm speaking in what ifs. i'm aware the age of Obama's daughters.

Perhaps you could join all of the rest of us in reality and discuss the issue at hand.

[Lueda Alia]

i'm speaking in what ifs. i'm aware the age of Obama's daughters.
Then there's no "what ifs," as it would be impossible.

[lauren<3s music]

The worst part is that a lot of people still consider them "the party of morality."
i could care less about the morality. i mean i highly doubt God or whoever else is up there is like oooh hey I'm a Republican. God does not belong to one party or another.

The limited government lie almost bothers me more.

[captainhampton]

Perhaps you could join all of the rest of us in reality and discuss the issue at hand.

i already stated my opinion about this bullshit. I'm just waiting on the evidence.

[Lueda Alia]

well of course. i mean after all you are the one who always posts unreasonable 'what ifs' just to argue with people :rolleyes:

again, people are for the most part morons



Perhaps you could join all of the rest of us in reality and discuss the issue at hand.
I just don't understand what's wrong with not believing anything 100% when it comes to this. I'm not believing the story, but I'm also not going to try and argue that all of this is just a rumor when I really don't know either way.

If people continue to push this story even after it's been proved that it's just a rumor, then yeah, I would think that's pathetic.

[Lueda Alia]

i already stated my opinion about this bullshit. I'm just waiting on the evidence.
Let's turn the tables around for a second. What will you think or say if this turns out to be true?

I'm speaking in "what ifs," here too.

[hiddentrack]

It wouldn't have been a big deal if she would have just said "Yes, my daughter was pregnant and this is her child." But, claiming it as her own? Using this child as an example that you are "pro-life?" That's cold.

If you lie about your own family's life and/or mistakes, what makes her think she won't lie about bigger issues if she gets into the White House?

[lauren<3s music]

i already stated my opinion about this bullshit. I'm just waiting on the evidence.

good. then take the what if games elsewhere. thanks.

I just don't understand what's wrong with not believing anything 100% when it comes to this. I'm not believing the story, but I'm also not going to try and argue that all of this is just a rumor when I really don't know either way.

If people continue to push this story even after it's been proved that it's just a rumor, then yeah, I would think that's pathetic.

agreed. i don't believe it all quite frankly, but there's a slim chance it could be true. if its a rumor its a rumor if its true its true. we all just have to play the wait and see game

[captainhampton]

Let's turn the tables around for a second. What will you think or say if this turns out to be true?

I'm speaking in "what ifs," here too.

i will say it was a terrible thing to do if it was true, which I doubt.

[Lueda Alia]

i will say it was a terrible thing to do if it was true, which I doubt.
If that was true, would you still believe that she should be Vice President?

[Lueda Alia]

good. then take the what if games elsewhere. thanks.



agreed. i don't believe it all quite frankly, but there's a slim chance it could be true. if its a rumor its a rumor if its true its true. we all just have to play the wait and see game
Pretty much.

I don't know why some people are believing this right away, just like I don't understand why some people act as if they know for a fact that this is a lie. No one really knows except for her family.

[Steve Henderson]

Why are American elections fought over 'scandals' and not policies?
1) It makes for better TV.
2) Voters in our country are fucking idiots.

[lauren<3s music]

Pretty much.

I don't know why some people are believing this right away, just like I don't understand why some people act as if they know for a fact that this is a lie. No one really knows except for her family.
exactly. i mean if this blows up and it's not true, her poor daughter will just be like great i'm fat. i mean really

[saysmydoctor]

I think this is a plausible rumor. I'd also like to point out how I would totally want to put my seed in her daughter.

[Steve Henderson]

Idiots in the UK generally don't vote at all. Which is most likely a good thing.
It used to be that way here also, but since we have turned our elections into tabloid fodder, the morons now come out in droves as well.

[Steve Henderson]

i mean i highly doubt God or whoever else is up there is like oooh hey I'm a Republican. God does not belong to one party or another.
Sean Hannity disagrees (http://mediamatters.org/items/200406250001).

[saysmydoctor]

Pics?
http://www.albertmohler.com/images/PalinFamily_Outside_web.jpg
Girl on the right.

[Steve Henderson]

http://www.albertmohler.com/images/PalinFamily_Outside_web.jpg
Girl on the right.
Mother >>>> daughter

[saysmydoctor]

Threesome.

[Lueda Alia]

http://www.albertmohler.com/images/PalinFamily_Outside_web.jpg
Girl on the right.
She's not even good looking. You have bad taste in women.

[NickLopez]

I feel like after reading this thread some people are too quick to assume its verity. Aside from the obvious need for hard evidence, I think I'll need an explanation as to why, if this moron decided to cover up her daughter's pregnancy, she failed at it so miserably. If I were covering that up, there's no chance I would speak some place that requires an eight hour plane ride to get back home to the doctor who, presumably, had agreed to this crap.

[saysmydoctor]

She's not even good looking. You have bad taste in women.
What?

I think she is cute. :shrug:

Regardless.

I think if this story holds water...lol.

[thespearkid]

She's a cutie.

[shes.a.ghost]

I don't really give a shit about Palin's personal life. She just scares the shit out of me. It's too likely that McCain could die and she become president. For that sole reason alone I'm not going to vote for McCain. I liked certain things he has said, as well as certain things Obama has said. I was in a toss up between who I liked. Now it's clear as day who I am voting for. Big mistake by McCain. In my eyes at least.

[NickLopez]

I don't really give a shit about Palin's personal life. She just scares the shit out of me. It's too likely that McCain could die and she become president. For that sole reason alone I'm not going to vote for McCain. I liked certain things he has said, as well as certain things Obama has said. I was in a toss up between who I liked. Now it's clear as day who I am voting for. Big mistake by McCain. In my eyes at least.
Oklahoma City? I'm a freshman at OU.

[make_this_hurt]

Being first term Gov. in Alaska = 1st in line to Presidency if the old man dies.

[shes.a.ghost]

Oklahoma City? I'm a freshman at OU.Right on. OU is a lot of fun. Live it up.

[AnarchyintheUS]

Isn't the photo with the "bump" from 2006?

[lauren<3s music]

Sean Hannity disagrees (http://mediamatters.org/items/200406250001).
You're right. However could I have missed the official proclamation from God's PR person himself. Whoops.

[saysmydoctor]

You're right. However could I have missed the official proclamation from God's PR person himself. Whoops.
Don't question Sean Hannity, you fucking heathen.

[lauren<3s music]

Don't question Sean Hannity, you fucking heathen.
I'm sure I'll go missing soon as the NSA does an IP trace

[saysmydoctor]

I'm sure I'll go missing soon as the NSA does an IP trace
http://www.oddpic.com/data/512/its-a-trap-cat.gif

[AnarchyintheUS]

DailyKos Embraces The Palin 'Fake Pregnancy' Rumor But Rejects The Edwards Story (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lee-stranahan/why-dailykos-embraced-the_b_122790.html)

Its the wackiest rumor about Sarah Palin or any other politician so far this election. It's making it's way all through the internet. And of course it came from DailyKos.



Let's hear from noted reporter ArcXIX, following up on story by the widely respected Inky99..."Well, Sarah, I'm calling you a liar. And not even a good one. Trig Paxson Van Palin is not your son. He is your grandson. The sooner you come forward with this revelation to the public, the better."The whole story is based on an insulting view of fundamentalist Christians; that they'd be so freaked out by a teenage pregnancy that they'd have the Governor -- the most highly visible and public women in the small fishbowl of Alaska -- fake a pregnancy to cover up the sins her of daughter Bristol.





http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lee-stranahan/why-dailykos-embraced-the_b_122790.html

Even the liberal news are calling this garbage. ;-)

[lauren<3s music]

http://www.oddpic.com/data/512/its-a-trap-cat.gif
Poor kitty!!!

[Steve Henderson]

You're right. However could I have missed the official proclamation from God's PR person himself. Whoops.
Don't let it happen again.

http://uponthepath.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/god_is_angry_2007-06-18-17-30.jpg

[dpatrickguy]

What people seem to be missing is that, regardless of whether this is true or not, one blogger does not stand for the entire Democratic Community.

It seems a little fishy to me, but right now it's just an anonymous blogger creating a theory.

[Jason Tate]

What people seem to be missing is that, regardless of whether this is true or not, one blogger does not stand for the entire Democratic Community.

It seems a little fishy to me, but right now it's just an anonymous blogger creating a theory.

Correct.

[lauren<3s music]

Don't let it happen again.

http://uponthepath.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/god_is_angry_2007-06-18-17-30.jpg
hahhahahahahaha. iced tea all over my room. thanks for that steve. its signs like this that make me worry about the state of our nation

[saysmydoctor]

Don't let it happen again.

http://uponthepath.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/god_is_angry_2007-06-18-17-30.jpg
Ahahahahahahahahahahaha

[Adeniz19]

What people seem to be missing is that, regardless of whether this is true or not, one blogger does not stand for the entire Democratic Community.

It seems a little fishy to me, but right now it's just an anonymous blogger creating a theory.this is pretty much how i feel about it. i don't believe these rumors right now, but if this did end up being true, i don't think i'll be able to stop laughing.

[AnarchyintheUS]

This could very well be a Republican trap.

That, or The Daily Kos just called a 16 year old girl a fat whore.

If this is made-up and gets out of hand, there will be a lot of sympathy for Palin.

[Lueda Alia]

Correct.
Seriously.

I don't see how that one blogger represents the feeling of the whole community, or DailyKos for that matter.

That's like saying that one of our posters represents the feelings of AP/Jason. So stupid.

[Adeniz19]

Seriously.

I don't see how that one blogger represents the feeling of the whole community, or DailyKos for that matter.

That's like saying that one of our posters represents the feelings of AP/Jason. So stupid.ap journals are full of intelligent people

[Nevuk]

It is very frustrating even as an outsider. It seems to me that 80% of people vote for the same party every time purely because it is "their" party, 15% vote based on misconceptions or mud slinging and a small minority vote actually based on who the best candidate is.

The UK isn't much better but there isn't the same importance put on stupid stuff like whether a candidate wears a flag badge or other crap like that.
American Politics has always had an element like this, it's usually during resurgences of political interests like in the latter half of the 1800s with political machines and in the early 1900s with yellow journalism. Basically combine the two and you get the current political climate, but we have fewer voters.

[AnarchyintheUS]

The Huffington Post has had another go at the "story".


"I was fascinated for a hot second by the story that OMG U R NOT GONNA BELIEVE THIS!!!!111 Do We Know Who the Momma Is? But really the whole thing is embarrassingly like an IM conversation:

librulgirl44: omfg, you are not going to believe this!
gopsux4reals: hit me.
librulgirl44: Ok, you know that crazy Christian woman from Alaska?
gopsux4reals: o, right, the haha! women must be dumb and gullible chick, hi I'm John McCain and I approved this condescending msg, oops I stared at her ass AGAIN?
librulgirl44: yep.
gopsux4reals: ok.
librulgirl44: dude, she might not even have given birth to her latest womb-booger.
gopsux4reals: um, ok.
librulgirl44: she did all this weird stuff and she didn't look pregnant! And her daughter has a possible baby bump in a picture from 2007.
gopsux4reals: Well, isn't he the runt of the litter anyway? How can we judge based on some skimpy photographic evidence and weird anecdotes? On second thought...this is awesome!
librulgirl44: I know!
gopsux4reals: I mean we might possibly get dragged into an insane psycho drama that if true will only endear Palin to millions of lunatic Christian conservatives & even some soccer moms and if false would make the Bush National Guard fiasco look like nothing, but heck, let's run with it!
librulgirl44: lollercaust! awesome!

Guys, its a loser. Can we not do this? Let's keep in mind that the person getting picked on here is not the Governor, who signed up for all this crap, but her seventeen year-old daughter. It 'taint right."




http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bart-motes/palin-baby-shocker_b_122813.html

[WarpSpeedChewy]

Guys, its a loser. Can we not do this? Let's keep in mind that the person getting picked on here is not the Governor, who signed up for all this crap, but her seventeen year-old daughter. It 'taint right." To be honest, I agree with that, Wither it's true or not, it has nothing to do with anything important and the democrats are wasting their time and energy if they decide to go for it. Besides it crosses a personal line that will get bitter and just be completely counter-productive. There are a lot of other different and just things to get Palin on.

[saysmydoctor]

Well, that being the case, if it's not an issue, then why is it being hidden? (If it holds water)

[cuetheflames]

what a dumb slut. i hate this woman and mccain more everyday

[windmillninja]

Please, please, please keep driving this as a legitimate talking point. Please.

[Jason Tate]

Please, please, please keep driving this as a legitimate talking point. Please.
No one has.

[Adeniz19]

Well, that being the case, if it's not an issue, then why is it being hidden? (If it holds water)it might not be an important issue in the grand scheme of things but if it is true it sure doesn't say much for her character. i think it's a much more important thing over if obama is a muslim or not haha

[Justin_stacy]

http://rightwingnuthouse.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/angelina.jpg

Angelina Jolie at 6 months...? Or is she faking it too?

People taking the daily kookoo seriously, what a shame. Obama got no wow, no bump and no excitement out of Biden, McCain got all three out of Palin (depending on the poll) and the left is scared as hell, oh joy. Let see if we can come up with their next desperate attack....her husband is a closet homosexual, no to easy. He's the president of Exxon. Or maybe the most damning of all, late at night by the light of the moon her family and her eat live kittens.....savages.

The story here is that Palin, knowing very early in her pregnancy that she was having a sick, 'special' needs, child, keep the baby instead of taking the 'easy out' alternative, and should be commended for that path rather then attacked by a few inept fools.

[timbedinosaur]

What else do you respect from us Republicans?

[timbedinosaur]

http://rightwingnuthouse.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/angelina.jpg

Angelina Jolie at 6 months...? Or is she faking it too?

People taking the daily kookoo seriously, what a shame. Obama got no wow, no bump and no excitement out of Biden, McCain got all three out of Palin (depending on the poll) and the left is scared as hell, oh joy. Let see if we can come up with their next desperate attack....her husband is a closet homosexual, no to easy. He's the president of Exxon. Or maybe the most damning of all, late at night by the light of the moon her family and her eat live kittens.....savages.

The story here is that Palin, knowing very early in her pregnancy that she was having a sick, 'special' needs, child, keep the baby instead of taking the 'easy out' alternative, and should be commended for that path rather then attacked by a few inept fools.Her head looks to big for her body

[Jason Tate]

http://rightwingnuthouse.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/angelina.jpg

Angelina Jolie at 6 months...? Or is she faking it too?

People taking the daily kookoo seriously, what a shame. Obama got no wow, no bump and no excitement out of Biden, McCain got all three out of Palin (depending on the poll) and the left is scared as hell, oh joy. Let see if we can come up with their next desperate attack....her husband is a closet homosexual, no to easy. He's the president of Exxon. Or maybe the most damning of all, late at night by the light of the moon her family and her eat live kittens.....savages.

The story here is that Palin, knowing very early in her pregnancy that she was having a sick, 'special' needs, child, keep the baby instead of taking the 'easy out' alternative, and should be commended for that path rather then attacked by a few inept fools.
The polls say exactly the opposite. And why should she be be commended for bringing a child into the world that will have an extremely difficult life? And then almost immediately put herself in a position where she won't be around much to help this child? That's commendable?

The only desperation was on the side of whoever made this selection, because we now know it sure wasn't McCain.

This story is no better than people saying Obama is muslim. Difference is one or two little websites is nothing compared to the massive email chains circulating lies. Maybe a few people are thinking they deserve a taste of their own medicine. It'll be interesting to finally see a story go up on snopes about this ... they don't have nearly enough on Republicans.

PS: Love the picture source: http://rightwingnuthouse.com/

Here's another - 6 months:

http://www.babble.com/CS/blogs/famecrawler/2008/02/23-End/angiebradtwins1.jpg

[Steve Henderson]

Please, please, please keep driving this as a legitimate talking point. Please.
Um, yeah who is doing that? I think this is all good for a chuckle, and little more. Thankfully the dems are a little smarter than to exploit this until it is proven.

[GiggsOho]

http://rightwingnuthouse.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/angelina.jpg

Angelina Jolie at 6 months...? Or is she faking it too?

People taking the daily kookoo seriously, what a shame. Obama got no wow, no bump and no excitement out of Biden, McCain got all three out of Palin (depending on the poll) and the left is scared as hell, oh joy. Let see if we can come up with their next desperate attack....her husband is a closet homosexual, no to easy. He's the president of Exxon. Or maybe the most damning of all, late at night by the light of the moon her family and her eat live kittens.....savages.

The story here is that Palin, knowing very early in her pregnancy that she was having a sick, 'special' needs, child, keep the baby instead of taking the 'easy out' alternative, and should be commended for that path rather then attacked by a few inept fools.

Keep telling yourself that, because you and every other GOP stalwart are completely clueless. Keep trying to spin this as a good move.

Regardless of this baby bullshit, she is an embarrassment of a choice. It's insulting to women that the GOP looks at the election as a demographic study, and is throwing a hail mary to try and steal one for their side. It's a slap in the face to intelligent Americans, but then again, that's the GOP's calling card.

[wesgemm08]

http://rightwingnuthouse.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/angelina.jpg

Angelina Jolie at 6 months...? Or is she faking it too?

People taking the daily kookoo seriously, what a shame. Obama got no wow, no bump and no excitement out of Biden, McCain got all three out of Palin (depending on the poll) and the left is scared as hell, oh joy. Let see if we can come up with their next desperate attack....her husband is a closet homosexual, no to easy. He's the president of Exxon. Or maybe the most damning of all, late at night by the light of the moon her family and her eat live kittens.....savages.

The story here is that Palin, knowing very early in her pregnancy that she was having a sick, 'special' needs, child, keep the baby instead of taking the 'easy out' alternative, and should be commended for that path rather then attacked by a few inept fools.

"1. Overall Reaction to Palin's Selection Similar to Biden Selection
Americans' overall reaction to the McCain selection of Sarah Palin as his vice presidential running mate is very similar to last week's reaction to Obama's selection of Biden.
A little less than half of Americans rate the selection of Palin as excellent or pretty good, while 37% rate it as only fair or poor (the rest have no opinion). Gallup's measure of reaction to Biden's selection on August 23 was only slightly different, even though many more Americans were familiar with the Delaware senator when he was named."



Gallup.com

[Adeniz19]

just to fuel the fire- isn't the rumor that she wasn't showing at 7 months? why are you guys showing pics of jolie at 6? there is a huge difference in a months time, especially during the 3rd trimester of a pregnancy

[Lueda Alia]

http://rightwingnuthouse.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/angelina.jpg

Angelina Jolie at 6 months...? Or is she faking it too?

People taking the daily kookoo seriously, what a shame. Obama got no wow, no bump and no excitement out of Biden, McCain got all three out of Palin (depending on the poll) and the left is scared as hell, oh joy. Let see if we can come up with their next desperate attack....her husband is a closet homosexual, no to easy. He's the president of Exxon. Or maybe the most damning of all, late at night by the light of the moon her family and her eat live kittens.....savages.

The story here is that Palin, knowing very early in her pregnancy that she was having a sick, 'special' needs, child, keep the baby instead of taking the 'easy out' alternative, and should be commended for that path rather then attacked by a few inept fools.
You can still tell that she's pregnant in that picture, unless you're blind. And no, the DailyKos didn't post anything about Palin's pregnancy. A blogger did. Just like, you know, users here post journals, or make posts on these forums. They don't represent Jason's views, do they? Now, if they were posted on the main page of AP ... that would be a different story.

[Jason Tate]

You can still tell that she's pregnant in that picture, unless you're blind. And no, the DailyKos didn't post anything about Palin's pregnancy. A blogger did. Just like, you know, users here post journals, or make posts on these forums. They don't represent Jason's views, do they? Now, if they were posted on the main page of AP ... that would be a different story.
I should go post this on the main page. Hahaha. Kidding.

This could be 100% absolutely verifiably true and it would still be less of a reason to not vote for her than her absolutely insane record.

[Lueda Alia]

I should go post this on the main page. Hahaha. Kidding.

This could be 100% absolutely verifiably true and it would still be less of a reason to not vote for her than her absolutely insane record.
Exactly. There's plenty of information out there to use against her, or as reasons to not vote for her.

[GiggsOho]

OMG Cindy McCain said Palin's time in the PTA shows that he has the grounds to be a good VP.

http://web2.modmyprofile.com/mmc/celeb-quotes/zoolander-mugatu-crazy-pills.jpg

[Jason Tate]

Exactly. There's plenty of information out there to use against her, or as reasons to not vote for her.
Yep. But when you still have some 11% thinking Obama is muslim ... well ... yeah, people are idiots.

[Jason Tate]

OMG Cindy McCain said Palin's time in the PTA shows that he has the grounds to be a good VP.

http://web2.modmyprofile.com/mmc/celeb-quotes/zoolander-mugatu-crazy-pills.jpg
People will fall for it.

[Lueda Alia]

Yep. But when you still have some 11% thinking Obama is muslim ... well ... yeah, people are idiots.
I sometimes wonder if that's the only way to win elections in the US. You know, through smears.

Also, it's like people don't even really care about issues anymore. It's more important to know that gays aren't getting married, and that women have no choice over their bodies. It makes no sense to me.

[Adeniz19]

Yep. But when you still have some 11% thinking Obama is muslim ... well ... yeah, people are idiots.http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2008-03-17-080317_obama_hp.jpg

[Steve Henderson]

OMG Cindy McCain said Palin's time in the PTA shows that he has the grounds to be a good VP.
Almost as good as the guy from Fox News that says she has foreign relations experience because Alaska is near Russia:

KDmNk23vEYI

[GiggsOho]

Almost as good as the guy from Fox News that says she has foreign relations experience because Alaska is near Russia:

KDmNk23vEYI


Well, I live next to the Russian embassy, so by that logic, I guess I should apply for a position working in foreign relations. :rolleyes:

[AnarchyintheUS]

I sometimes wonder if that's the only way to win elections in the US. You know, through smears.

Also, it's like people don't even really care about issues anymore. It's more important to know that gays aren't getting married, and that women have no choice over their bodies. It makes no sense to me.

Those are valid issues for some people... just as valid for liberals who want the opposite.

[Jason Tate]

Almost as good as the guy from Fox News that says she has foreign relations experience because Alaska is near Russia:

KDmNk23vEYI
Absolutely ludicrous.

[saysmydoctor]

Steve Doocy is a fucking dipshit, there is a reason why Colbert mocks that fucking tool constantly.

[Jason Tate]

Those are valid issues for some people... just as valid for liberals who want the opposite.
Learn to read or GTFO.

[AnarchyintheUS]

Well, I live next to the Russian embassy, so by that logic, I guess I should apply for a position working in foreign relations. :rolleyes:

Or you could apply to run the country, you sound just as qualified as Obama.

[Jason Tate]

Well, I live next to the Russian embassy, so by that logic, I guess I should apply for a position working in foreign relations. :rolleyes:
I live by a river - I am now a marine biologist.

[Jason Tate]

Or you could apply to run the country, you sound just as qualified as Obama.
http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/fail-owned-baby-fail.jpg

[GiggsOho]

Or you could apply to run the country, you sound just as qualified as Obama.

My hopes that you lose your hands in a horrible accident so you can no longer type on this site would disqualify me, though.

[saysmydoctor]

Or you could apply to run the country, you sound just as qualified as Obama.
:wallbash:
I live by a river - I am now a marine biologist.
I lived on a marine base. I am now a tank technician.

[AnarchyintheUS]

I don't dispute she's unqualified, but neither is Obama.

I think Biden is the most equipped of the four, but he's also a clown.

[splitsecond]

I am amused by the fact that people are quoting polls in here, or anywhere to make an argument about this election. Do you all forget the polls from the last election? The electoral vote predictors that put Kerry so far ahead?

Poll sampling for all of these polls is absolutely terrible. Do you actually know anyone who has been polled? Most of the time they are polling people who are too stupid to avoid being polled by getting on the no call list or screening their calls. I guarantee you that these people probably not little to nothin about palin and biden both, and probably think mccain is 85 and obama is a muslim.

[saysmydoctor]

I am amused by the fact that people are quoting polls in here, or anywhere to make an argument about this election. Do you all forget the polls from the last election? The electoral vote predictors that put Kerry so far ahead?

Poll sampling for all of these polls is absolutely terrible. Do you actually know anyone who has been polled? Most of the time they are polling people who are too stupid to avoid being polled by getting on the no call list or screening their calls. I guarantee you that these people probably not little to nothin about palin and biden both, and probably think mccain is 85 and obama is a muslim.
Actually, the polls with Kerry and Bush actually narrowed closer to election time as 527s tore his campaign apart.

[timbedinosaur]

Steve Doocy is a fucking dipshit, there is a reason why Colbert mocks that fucking tool constantly.
Colbert mocks everybody in the political world, it's his job. You can't take anything he or Jon Stewart or any other comedian for that matter, takes seriously. It's purely comedy and nothing else.

[saysmydoctor]

Colbert mocks everybody in the political world, it's his job. You can't take anything he or Jon Stewart or any other comedian for that matter, takes seriously. It's purely comedy and nothing else.
:wallbash:

[WarpSpeedChewy]

Steve Doocy is a fucking dipshit, there is a reason why Colbert mocks that fucking tool constantly.
I love it when he refers to the other guy on that show as "the guy who isn't Steve Doocey".

Colbert mocks everybody in the political world, it's his job. You can't take anything he or Jon Stewart or any other comedian for that matter, takes seriously. It's purely comedy and nothing else.
I wouldn't say that completely. It's somewhat true, but like all good comedy has underlining truth to it. Plus depending on the guest, Stewart can get pretty heated. Colbert's genius is providing a mirror to what is already ridiculous. Both shows offer some pretty good observations. It's interesting they are the voice of sanity in the circus that the media can be.

[Steve Henderson]

I am amused by the fact that people are quoting polls in here, or anywhere to make an argument about this election. Do you all forget the polls from the last election? The electoral vote predictors that put Kerry so far ahead?

Poll sampling for all of these polls is absolutely terrible. Do you actually know anyone who has been polled? Most of the time they are polling people who are too stupid to avoid being polled by getting on the no call list or screening their calls. I guarantee you that these people probably not little to nothin about palin and biden both, and probably think mccain is 85 and obama is a muslim.
I agree with you on the issue of polls being meaningless, but they should concern you more than me, for example.

1) They are just national sampling polls, not statewide. As it stands, Obama has the electoral vote edge.
2) An increasingly large demographic not being polled are cell phone users, the majority of whom are going to be younger people who will overwhelmingly vote for Obama.

While my two above points might not mean much now, I still agree with you that some people obsess over these tracking polls which claim to have such small margins of error.

[Jason Tate]

I am amused by the fact that people are quoting polls in here, or anywhere to make an argument about this election. Do you all forget the polls from the last election? The electoral vote predictors that put Kerry so far ahead?

Poll sampling for all of these polls is absolutely terrible. Do you actually know anyone who has been polled? Most of the time they are polling people who are too stupid to avoid being polled by getting on the no call list or screening their calls. I guarantee you that these people probably not little to nothin about palin and biden both, and probably think mccain is 85 and obama is a muslim.
Polls are used in most countries to track corruption in elections. And the polls from the last election did not show Kerry so far ahead toward November.

http://pollingreport.com/2004.htm

Pretty damn close to the actual outcome - especially when averaged.

Yes, I know quite a few. The problem with most of the samples is it does not include cell phones - which would, theoretically, leave out more Obama voters within the 18-31 age than McCain.

[Adeniz19]

I am amused by the fact that people are quoting polls in here, or anywhere to make an argument about this election. Do you all forget the polls from the last election? The electoral vote predictors that put Kerry so far ahead?

Poll sampling for all of these polls is absolutely terrible. Do you actually know anyone who has been polled? Most of the time they are polling people who are too stupid to avoid being polled by getting on the no call list or screening their calls. I guarantee you that these people probably not little to nothin about palin and biden both, and probably think mccain is 85 and obama is a muslim.
so you are saying polls tend to lead more republican, then? that's even better news!

haha all joking aside, i don't think polls are the most accurate things to go by, especially with more and more people only having cell phones and no land line, but its at least something

[saysmydoctor]

I love it when he refers to the other guy on that show as "the guy who isn't Steve Doocey".


I wouldn't say that completely. It's somewhat true, but like all good comedy has underlining truth to it. Plus depending on the guest, Stewart can get pretty heated. Colbert's genius is providing a mirror to what is already ridiculous.
"Woman that isn't Steve Doocey"

Stewart-McCain arguments are always good. And if you pay attention to Colbert's segments like "Better Know a District" and "Better Know a Lobbyist," you can tell he is incredibly informed.

[WarpSpeedChewy]

"Woman that isn't Steve Doocey"

Stewart-McCain arguments are always good. And if you pay attention to Colbert's segments like "Better Know a District" and "Better Know a Lobbyist," you can tell he is incredibly informed.
I love that too. Both the Daily Show & Colbert Repot have some really great observations than some opinion shows while being incredibly entertaining and smart.

Especially The Word segment. Plus it fantastic when he plays around with the politicians. It was amazing when he got Robert Wexler to say "I enjoy doing cocaine because it's a fun thing to do".

[timbedinosaur]

I love it when he refers to the other guy on that show as "the guy who isn't Steve Doocey".


I wouldn't say that completely. It's somewhat true, but like all good comedy has underlining truth to it. Plus depending on the guest, Stewart can get pretty heated. Colbert's genius is providing a mirror to what is already ridiculous. Both shows offer some pretty good observations. It's interesting they are the voice of sanity in the circus that the media can be.
True, but what I'm saying is that you can't believe that just because he lampoons somebody that it means that is what he's actually thinking.

[fuller]

http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/9515/3073504041standaloneprovb5.jpg

Palin preggors last year at SEVEN months.

http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/5232/capt529a19dfc6774f30811bx4.jpg
Preggors with Track in 1989.

http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Gov-Sarah-Palin-Wasilla2C-Alaska-Republican-presidential-candidate-Alaska-Gov-Sarah-Palin-vice-presidential-running-mate/ss/events/pl/082908govsarahpalin/s:/politico/13001/im:/080831/480/529a19dfc6774f308117d4be16d30c8d/print

This actually has legs.

[GiggsOho]

Wow...interesting.

[Steve Henderson]

Preggors with Track in 1989.
Unrelated, but lol @ name "Track"

[GiggsOho]

Unrelated, but lol @ name "Track"

True story -- she named him that because she likes track and field. She named her daugher Bristol because ESPN offered her a job but she didn't want to leave Alaska. (For those who don't know, ESPN HQ is in Bristol, CT)

[Steve Henderson]

Interesting read from a guy that interviewed her at 7 months (video also):

http://alaskapodshow.com/index.php/2008/08/30/sarah-palin-pregnancy-scandal/

[Steve Henderson]

True story -- she named him that because she likes track and field. She named her daugher Bristol because ESPN offered her a job but she didn't want to leave Alaska. (For those who don't know, ESPN HQ is in Bristol, CT)
Not true (http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20222685_2,00.html), actually.

"Where do your children's names come from?
TODD: Sarah's parents were coaches and the whole family was involved in track and I was an athlete in high school, so with our first-born, I was, like, 'Track!' Bristol is named after Bristol Bay. That's where I grew up, that's where we commercial fish. Willow is a community there in Alaska. And then Piper, you know, there's just not too many Pipers out there and it's a cool name. And Trig is a Norse name for "strength."

[NickLopez]

True story -- she named him that because she likes track and field. She named her daugher Bristol because ESPN offered her a job but she didn't want to leave Alaska. (For those who don't know, ESPN HQ is in Bristol, CT)
Down's syndrome baby is named Trig.

[NickLopez]

Not true (http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20222685_2,00.html), actually.

"Where do your children's names come from?
TODD: Sarah's parents were coaches and the whole family was involved in track and I was an athlete in high school, so with our first-born, I was, like, 'Track!' Bristol is named after Bristol Bay. That's where I grew up, that's where we commercial fish. Willow is a community there in Alaska. And then Piper, you know, there's just not too many Pipers out there and it's a cool name. And Trig is a Norse name for "strength."
I read the Bristol, CT thing in a CNN article or something. Maybe Yahoo. I don't know. Point is, a respectable source got it wrong.

[GiggsOho]

Not true (http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20222685_2,00.html), actually.

"Where do your children's names come from?
TODD: Sarah's parents were coaches and the whole family was involved in track and I was an athlete in high school, so with our first-born, I was, like, 'Track!' Bristol is named after Bristol Bay. That's where I grew up, that's where we commercial fish. Willow is a community there in Alaska. And then Piper, you know, there's just not too many Pipers out there and it's a cool name. And Trig is a Norse name for "strength."

I read the Bristol, CT thing in a CNN article or something. Maybe Yahoo. I don't know. Point is, a respectable source got it wrong.


Thanks for the correction, a reporter I know is geting a smackdown.

[Steve Henderson]

I read the Bristol, CT thing in a CNN article or something. Maybe Yahoo. I don't know. Point is, a respectable source got it wrong.

Thanks for the correction, a reporter I know is geting a smackdown.
Yeah I know Olbermann made a joke about it, but not sure if anyone else made it into a more serious report.

[Steve Henderson]

I will say that this is not as interesting for the actual pregnancy part of the story as it is for the potential cover up.

[wesgemm08]

http://perf2.msnbc.msn.com/id/24213499/

"The governor went into labor Thursday while in Texas at an energy conference. Her contractions let up enough for her to fly home on Alaska Airlines to deliver her baby in Alaska, Leighow said."

Seems like some pretty bad judgment to me... That article also refers to her posing for pictures in Vogue during her pregnancy, maybe those pictures/the article could help clear up this debate a little.

[fuller]

I feel sorry for the daughter if this is true. Either her mother is using the child for political reasons or she is so embarassed about the pregnancy that she can't even properly love her own kid. Disgusting.

[Jason Tate]

I will say that this is not as interesting for the actual pregnancy part of the story as it is for the potential cover up.
Especially due to her extreme pro-abstinence stance.

[windmillninja]

No one has.

Um, yeah who is doing that? I think this is all good for a chuckle, and little more. Thankfully the dems are a little smarter than to exploit this until it is proven.

Fair enough.

[dai the flu]

Like Republicans have found real issues to talk about? I recall hearing rumors about Obama being a Muslim, lying about his birth certificate, being involved with Rezko, connected to Ayers and somehow being a terrorist because of it, etc. I guess it hurts when the same kind of distortions are thrown your way as well.

I don't know if this is true yet, but even if it is, I'm sure Republicans will find a way to justify her actions and forgive her.
actually the distortions aren't being thrown my way. i don't like palin or mccain, i couldn't care less about them. i just think this issue is a non-issue and i can't believe anyone thinks it important enough to waste their time speculating about it.

[Lueda Alia]

actually the distortions aren't being thrown my way. i don't like palin or mccain, i couldn't care less about them. i just think this issue is a non-issue and i can't believe anyone thinks it important enough to waste their time speculating about it.
I didn't really mean just "your" way anyway, it was more of a general "your."

[dai the flu]

I didn't really mean just "your" way anyway, it was more of a general "your."
fair enough.

[Justin_stacy]

The polls say exactly the opposite. And why should she be be commended for bringing a child into the world that will have an extremely difficult life? And then almost immediately put herself in a position where she won't be around much to help this child? That's commendable?

The only desperation was on the side of whoever made this selection, because we now know it sure wasn't McCain.

This story is no better than people saying Obama is muslim. Difference is one or two little websites is nothing compared to the massive email chains circulating lies. Maybe a few people are thinking they deserve a taste of their own medicine. It'll be interesting to finally see a story go up on snopes about this ... they don't have nearly enough on Republicans.

PS: Love the picture source: http://rightwingnuthouse.com/

Here's another - 6 months:

http://www.babble.com/CS/blogs/famecrawler/2008/02/23-End/angiebradtwins1.jpg

Actually you're wrong on the polls. Obama got no bump from Biden, and infact saw his numbers dip. Since his convention blip his numbers have fallen flat, and McCain's have rebounded since the Palin announcement. Gallup has Obama's 8 point lead since Friday shrink to 6, Zogby has Obama's post convention lead wiped out to a dead heat, and CNN has McCain retaking the lead. So the Polls do back that up.

Commendation, as opposed to a mindless, made up, attack? Should she be commended for allowing a child with mental disabilities to enter the world, instead of being destroyed as burdensome, yes I'd say that. Do I think its necessary to do so, no. As for the Muslim attack, I couldn't agree more, but with fools on this site, fools who I would assume would take great issue with the made up Muslim attacks on Obama saying thing like this,
This is like, fucked up on a human level.

....it kind of warrants pointing out the kind of response that should be given to the story. I'd add that even if this were true, is it really some kind of awful conspiracy? A loving mother protecting her child and helping her through a 'mistake' without forcing her to do something that could destroy her and the life of another, while giving the innocent child a chance at a normal life? Really what a bitch, right?

p.s. I'm glad you like the link, its tough to find pictures the site doesn't blowup....

[Lueda Alia]

Couldn't she be a good mother and simply support her daughter?

[Jason Tate]

Actually you're wrong on the polls. Obama got no bump from Biden, and infact saw his numbers dip. Since his convention blip his numbers have fallen flat, and McCain's have rebounded since the Palin announcement. Gallup has Obama's 8 point lead since Friday shrink to 6, Zogby has Obama's post convention lead wiped out to a dead heat, and CNN has McCain retaking the lead. So the Polls do back that up.

Inequitably false as the polls already published by Steve and myself in this thread show. The gallup polls show the Palin pick did as little as (http://pollingreport.com/wh08.htm) Biden and the election remains as it has been for the past weeks (http://www.pollingreport.com/wh08gen.htm#Gallup) - fluctuating. Zogby is a horribly unreliable poll - which had McCain up 5 points 2 weeks ago.

With 49% of the vote, Obama has tied his high (http://www.gallup.com/poll/109900/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Continues-Lead-49-41.aspx) for the campaign to date (this is after the Palin announcement).

Commendation, as opposed to a mindless, made up, attack?

Source?

[Machu505]

So is this like the real deal or what?

[Jason Tate]

So is this like the real deal or what?
Zero tangible evidence beside pure speculation based almost entirely off her not "looking" preggo and it being around the same time her daughter withdrew from school.

[Justin_stacy]

Inequitably false as the polls already published by Steve and myself in this thread show. The gallup polls show the Palin pick did as little as Biden and the election remains as it has been for the past weeks (http://www.pollingreport.com/wh08gen.htm#Gallup) - fluctuating. Zogby is a horribly unreliable poll - which had McCain up 5 points 2 weeks ago.
Source?

The Gallup poll shows that Obama's post convention numbers have already begin to dip.

http://media.gallup.com/poll/graphs/080831DailyUpdateGraph1_mkadfo.gif

Two points in two days. Whether you tie that to Palin, natural fluxation, margin of error, or pollers coming back down to earth.....it doesn't really matter. The gain is not holding, and Obama did not recieve the type of bump he desperately needed.

And a source for what? That the story was made up?

[Machu505]

Zero tangible evidence beside pure speculation based almost entirely off her not "looking" preggo and it being around the same time her daughter withdrew from school.

Okey dokey.

[anamericangod]

The Gallup poll shows that Obama's post convention numbers have already begin to dip.

http://media.gallup.com/poll/graphs/080831DailyUpdateGraph1_mkadfo.gif

Two points in two days. Whether you tie that to Palin, natural fluxation, margin of error, or pollers coming back down to earth.....it doesn't really matter. The gain is not holding, and Obama did not recieve the type of bump he desperately needed.

And a source for what? That the story was made up?

You mean McCain did not receive the type of bump he desperately needed. There is hardly any point fluctuation in the past week, and Obama still has a 6-8 point lead.

That's a fairly significant lead for now, especially considering the Democrats have not been on the offensive anywhere near as much as the Republicans.

[Steve Henderson]

Inequitably false as the polls already published by Steve and myself in this thread show. The gallup polls show the Palin pick did as little as (http://pollingreport.com/wh08.htm) Biden and the election remains as it has been for the past weeks (http://www.pollingreport.com/wh08gen.htm#Gallup) - fluctuating. Zogby is a horribly unreliable poll - which had McCain up 5 points 2 weeks ago.

With 49% of the vote, Obama has tied his high (http://www.gallup.com/poll/109900/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Continues-Lead-49-41.aspx) for the campaign to date (this is after the Palin announcement).
Good info on the polling data...also good summary here (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html).

[Jason Tate]

The Gallup poll shows that Obama's post convention numbers have already begin to dip.

http://media.gallup.com/poll/graphs/080831DailyUpdateGraph1_mkadfo.gif

Two points in two days. Whether you tie that to Palin, natural fluxation, margin of error, or pollers coming back down to earth.....it doesn't really matter. The gain is not holding, and Obama did not recieve the type of bump he desperately needed.

And a source for what? That the story was made up?
You should probably read the text with the graph.

With 49% of the vote, Obama has tied his high for the campaign to date. (To view the complete trend since March 7, 2008, click here (http://www.gallup.com/poll/107674/Interactive-Graph-Follow-General-Election.aspx).) He has received a boost in the polls coming out of the Democratic Party's convention this week, at which he became the first African-American to be nominated as the presidential candidate of a major political party.

The current results are based on Aug. 27-29 interviewing, which includes two nights of polling during the convention and one post-convention night on Friday. The Friday interviewing was conducted in an unusual political environment -- the first conducted fully after Obama's well-regarded acceptance speech (http://www.gallup.com/poll/109948/Obama-Acceptance-Speech-Gets-High-Marks-From-Public.aspx) and McCain's surprise announcement of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his vice presidential running mate (http://www.gallup.com/poll/109951/Palin-Unknown-Most-Americans.aspx). Each event in isolation has usually been associated with increased candidate support for the relevant party. On this day -- with strong partisan forces pushing the public in both directions -- Obama still polled better than he had been prior to the convention, but not as well as he was polling on the individual nights of the convention.

Now the focus shifts to the Republican convention in St. Paul, Minn., beginning Monday, and McCain hopes for a bounce similar to what Obama has enjoyed the past few days. -- Jeff Jones


The numbers simply do not back up your statements.

[Justin_stacy]

You mean McCain did not receive the type of bump he desperately needed. There is hardly any point fluctuation in the past week, and Obama still has a 6-8 point lead.

That's a fairly significant lead for now, especially considering the Democrats have not been on the offensive anywhere near as much as the Republicans.

McCain didn't require the bump as much as Obama did, who has seen his numbers tank as he spends more and more money. He also hasn't had the post convention 'blip'.

[Steve Henderson]

The Gallup poll shows that Obama's post convention numbers have already begin to dip.

http://media.gallup.com/poll/graphs/080831DailyUpdateGraph1_mkadfo.gif
DIP? What fucking DIP? 49 --> 48%? Good lord.

[Jason Tate]

McCain didn't require the bump as much as Obama did, who has seen his numbers tank as he spends more and more money. He also hasn't had the post convention 'blip'.
Absolutely untrue as your own graph shows - he tied his all time high. The numbers have been extremely steady - and rising. What are you smoking?

[Justin_stacy]

You should probably read the text with the graph.

He has received a boost in the polls coming out of the Democratic Party's convention this week, at which he became the first African-American to be nominated as the presidential candidate of a major political party.[/I]

Where did i disagree with that comment? That his point number didn't rise following the convention?

[Steve Henderson]

McCain didn't require the bump as much as Obama did, who has seen his numbers tank as he spends more and more money. He also hasn't had the post convention 'blip'.
He needs more of a bump, since he is behind in the electoral count. That is why everyone is calling Palin a "hail mary."

And don't expect a post-convention bump from the RNC, since if it happens at all, it will be nothing special, and could even hurt them if McCain whores out the hurricane.

[Jason Tate]

Where did i disagree with that comment? That his point number didn't rise following the convention?
"He also hasn't had the post convention 'blip'."

[billyboatkid]

I don't know nearly anything about politics and what not. But, does that take into consideration the people who didn't vote in the primaries?!

[Justin_stacy]

Absolutely untrue as your own graph shows - he tied his all time high. The numbers have been extremely steady - and rising. What are you smoking?

Your comparing the nomination of Vp for the conclusion of a convention? What are smoking? All McCain needed was to stop Obama's rise prior to the GOP convention, and by every poll he did just that and some.

[saysmydoctor]

McCain didn't require the bump as much as Obama did, who has seen his numbers tank as he spends more and more money. He also hasn't had the post convention 'blip'.
lolwut?
DIP? What fucking DIP? 49 --> 48%? Good lord.
The sky is falling now. (It's raining)

[wesgemm08]

DIP? What fucking DIP? 49 --> 48%? Good lord.

With a 2.5% margin of error in these polls, so a 1% difference between days pretty much means absolutely nothing.

[Jason Tate]

Your comparing the nomination of Vp for the conclusion of a convention? What are smoking? All McCain needed was to stop Obama's rise prior to the GOP convention, and by every poll he did just that and some.
I'm not comparing anything. I'm saying what the numbers show: Palin did not help McCain as he had hoped and Palin did not give McCain any more of an increase than Biden's nomination. He did not do that at all. Seriously, what are you smoking?

[Jason Tate]

With a 2.5% margin of error in these polls, so a 1% difference between days pretty much means absolutely nothing.
It means his numbers are tanking. Obviously. :rolleyes:

[Justin_stacy]

"He also hasn't had the post convention 'blip'."

actually my wording was

Since his convention blip his numbers have fallen flat.

[saysmydoctor]

actually my wording was

Since his convention blip his numbers have fallen flat.
It's Sunday.

[Jason Tate]

actually my wording was

Since his convention blip his numbers have fallen flat.
No, your wording was exactly what I quoted. Your post is still here (http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?p=19079651#post19079 651).

And even that is misleading - since the convention (merely days ago) his numbers have been steady.

[Steve Henderson]

You mean McCain did not receive the type of bump he desperately needed. There is hardly any point fluctuation in the past week, and Obama still has a 6-8 point lead.

That's a fairly significant lead for now, especially considering the Democrats have not been on the offensive anywhere near as much as the Republicans.
The text on the latest poll (http://www.gallup.com/poll/109903/Gallup-Daily-ObamaBiden-Ticket-Leads-Points.aspx) graph agrees with your conclusion:

As the recent trend shows, Obama did not gain any additional support in the poll since his generally well-reviewed acceptance speech on Thursday night. However, the Aug. 28-30 field period also includes two days of interviewing since the Friday morning announcement by McCain that he has chosen Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin to join him on the Republican ticket. Thus, it is unclear whether the full positive impact on national voters of the Democratic convention or Obama's speech would have been greater if not for the Palin announcement.

[Jason Tate]

It's Sunday.
Hahaha.

[Justin_stacy]

I'm not comparing anything. I'm saying what the numbers show: Palin did not help McCain as he had hoped and Palin did not give McCain any more of an increase than Biden's nomination. He did not do that at all. Seriously, what are you smoking?

He stopped the tide, that's the only contention I make. If you want to put that on Palin, fine if you don't fine. But he did rebound over the weekend, and stopped Obama's gains.

[Jason Tate]

The text on the latest poll (http://www.gallup.com/poll/109903/Gallup-Daily-ObamaBiden-Ticket-Leads-Points.aspx) graph agrees with your conclusion:

As the recent trend shows, Obama did not gain any additional support in the poll since his generally well-reviewed acceptance speech on Thursday night. However, the Aug. 28-30 field period also includes two days of interviewing since the Friday morning announcement by McCain that he has chosen Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin to join him on the Republican ticket. Thus, it is unclear whether the full positive impact on national voters of the Democratic convention or Obama's speech would have been greater if not for the Palin announcement.
Exactly. McCain needs to make up roughly 4-6 points within the next few weeks ... he'd be looking good at that spot going into the debates. Then depending on those, we'll probably see our winner.

[Steve Henderson]

It's Sunday.
I think the right might have had a day of successful prayer for a bump...we shall see.

[fuller]

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/images/2008/08/31/palin_family.jpg

Hi wedding ring

[Jason Tate]

He stopped the tide, that's the only contention I make. If you want to put that on Palin, fine if you don't fine. But he did rebound over the weekend, and stopped Obama's gains.
The gain tied Obama's all time high. He needs to do more than simply stop gains.

[Steve Henderson]

He stopped the tide, that's the only contention I make. If you want to put that on Palin, fine if you don't fine. But he did rebound over the weekend, and stopped Obama's gains.
And made none of his own.

[Jason Tate]

I think the right might have had a day of successful prayer for a bump...we shall see.
Is that prayer going out along with the "rain on Colorado in biblical style" prayer?

[anamericangod]

Exactly. McCain needs to make up roughly 4-6 points within the next few weeks ... he'd be looking good at that spot going into the debates. Then depending on those, we'll probably see our winner.

You should get me press credentials to the VP Presidential debate. I'll do an AbsoluteAccess. Maybe Brad Streeter can tag along and get an interview with Joe Biden.

I think the right might have had a day of successful prayer for a bump...we shall see.

Lol.

[Jason Tate]

And made none of his own.
Which, according to Justin_Stacy's posts post-Biden announcement, would indicate a massive failure. I am not going to mirror that claim - but the polls do indicate Palin was not a great pick and I think will continue to be a massive liability for this ticket.

[Jason Tate]

You should get me press credentials to the VP Presidential debate. I'll do an AbsoluteAccess. Maybe Brad Streeter can tag along and get an interview with Joe Biden.



Lol.
Hahaha, I have no idea how to get those. That would be awesome though.

I do hope there is a net-neutrality question in the debates. McCain's stance is absolutely horrific.

[Justin_stacy]

No, your wording was exactly what I quoted. Your post is still here (http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?p=19079651#post19079 651).


actually that was about mccain. who hasn't seen a convention 'blip' because there's been no convention to speak of.

I don't know how to do the little link thing but I conceded his lead on page 12.

[Jason Tate]

...the Palin pick reflects the most dangerous (http://www.time-blog.com/swampland/2008/08/gunslinger.html) tendencies in McCain's foreign policy--the tendency to react, to overreact, to crises, without thinking it through. It also reflects a defiant, adolescent "screw you" attitude toward governance.

[anamericangod]

Is that prayer going out along with the "rain on Colorado in biblical style" prayer?

Georgia Gov. Perdue organizes prayer sessions on the steps of the Capitol here to pray for rain. We are in the worst drought of the century right now, so whenever it rains I say that "Perdue must have been praying extra hard today."

Hahaha, I have no idea how to get those. That would be awesome though.

I do hope there is a net-neutrality question in the debates. McCain's stance is absolutely horrific.

I actually have a few connections and am going to try to see if I can at least be in the audience. The website for the event basically says "we're sorry, but you normal people aren't allowed to come watch this."

What does McCain say about net-neutrality?

[GiggsOho]

...the Palin pick reflects the most dangerous (http://www.time-blog.com/swampland/2008/08/gunslinger.html) tendencies in McCain's foreign policy--the tendency to react, to overreact, to crises, without thinking it through. It also reflects a defiant, adolescent "screw you" attitude toward governance.


MAVERICK!

[anamericangod]

MAVERICK!

More like fuckass.

[saysmydoctor]

MAVERICK!
AGAINST THE STATUS QUO!
x

[saysmydoctor]

More like fuckass.
Hers? Maybe.





















Ba doom tsh

[wesgemm08]

2zP8uFPWxaA

This posted anywhere yet?

[Steve Henderson]

MAVERICK!
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/6/62/200px-Maverick_movie.jpg
????

[Jason Tate]

Georgia Gov. Perdue organizes prayer sessions on the steps of the Capitol here to pray for rain. We are in the worst drought of the century right now, so whenever it rains I say that "Perdue must have been praying extra hard today."



I actually have a few connections and am going to try to see if I can at least be in the audience. The website for the event basically says "we're sorry, but you normal people aren't allowed to come watch this."

What does McCain say about net-neutrality?
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2007/6/3/224720.shtml

Opposes it. Probably because he can barely use a computer.

[saysmydoctor]

:wallbash:

The proximity argument is shit.

I lived in California.

I'm an immigration expert.

[GiggsOho]

This posted anywhere yet?

It was talked about.

[Steve Henderson]

2zP8uFPWxaA

This posted anywhere yet?
I have not seen that one yet, but a few have posted the guy from Fox News video stating the same thing.

Which once again goes to show that the GOP feeds Fox News their talking points. Oy.

[GiggsOho]

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/6/62/200px-Maverick_movie.jpg
????

http://www.solarnavigator.net/films_movies_actors/actors_films_images/top_gun_maverick_tom_cruise_suited. jpg

[GiggsOho]

http://www.isemanandmaverick.com/ICEMANandMAVERICK.jpg/ICEMANandMAVERICK-full.jpg

[saysmydoctor]

http://www.solarnavigator.net/films_movies_actors/actors_films_images/top_gun_maverick_tom_cruise_suited. jpg
Ahahahahahhahahahah omg stop ahahahahahahahaha

[anamericangod]

http://media.mcclatchydc.com/smedia/2007/10/25/15/811-25web-NOWITZKI.standalone.prod_affiliate. 91.jpg

[GiggsOho]

http://media.mcclatchydc.com/smedia/2007/10/25/15/811-25web-NOWITZKI.standalone.prod_affiliate. 91.jpg


hahahahah well played.

[Jason Tate]

McCain could not pick a running mate who was Pro-Gay Rights (http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/14/mccain-bloomberg-pro-gay-rights/).

“I think it’s a fundamental tenet of our party to be pro-life but that does not mean we exclude people from our party that are pro-choice. We just have a–albeit strong–but just it’s a disagreement. And I think Ridge is a great example of that. Far more so than Bloomberg, because Bloomberg is pro-gay rights, pro, you know, a number of other issues.”

[Steve Henderson]

http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2007/6/3/224720.shtml

Opposes it. Probably because he can barely use a computer.
More (http://openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=7493).

[Jason Tate]

In a recent BusinessWeek interview, Gov. Sarah Palin (R-AK) admitted that she believes the Iraq war was fought, in part, because of oil (http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/content/aug2008/db20080829_272692.htm): We are a nation at war and in many [ways] the reasons for war are fights over energy sources, which is nonsensical when you consider that domestically we have the supplies ready to go.

[Jason Tate]

More (http://openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=7493).
Thank you.

[Lueda Alia]

2zP8uFPWxaA

This posted anywhere yet?
How can people seriously say this and not feel really, really ignorant?

[fuller]

I wonder what will happen tomorrow when conservative talk radio gets onto this story and drives the "crazy liberal" meme until it lands on the 9 pm news and Obama loses the election because moms get sympathetic to Palin.

[Steve Henderson]

In a recent BusinessWeek interview, Gov. Sarah Palin (R-AK) admitted that she believes the Iraq war was fought because of oil (http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/content/aug2008/db20080829_272692.htm): We are a nation at war and in many [ways] the reasons for war are fights over energy sources, which is nonsensical when you consider that domestically we have the supplies ready to go.

Wow, two huge things wrong with that short, short statement.

1) Backs the idea of the war being started with no basis.
2) Further trumpets the idea of opening ANWR.

[anamericangod]

How can people seriously say this and not feel really, really ignorant?

Because they are already really ignorant.

[GiggsOho]

I wonder what will happen tomorrow when conservative talk radio gets onto this story and drives the "crazy liberal" meme until it lands on the 9 pm news and Obama loses the election because moms get sympathetic to Palin.


GOP radio wont talk about it, they will be too busy acting like a PBS drive for Gustav.

[Steve Henderson]

How can people seriously say this and not feel really, really ignorant?
Haha, I know Michelle Obama is sitting at home lol'ing and thinking "that dumb bitch." :lol:

[Jason Tate]

Wow, two huge things wrong with that short, short statement.

1) Backs the idea of the war being started with no basis.
2) Further trumpets the idea of opening ANWR.
Absolutely.

[wesgemm08]

I can't wait for Biden's response to Palin's foreign policy "credentials"... Should be a good chuckle

[Jason Tate]

Haha, I know Michelle Obama is sitting at home lol'ing and thinking "that dumb bitch." :lol:
I honestly can't believe that's a talking point. Hearing that once should be enough to go "what the fuck are these people talking about"? Do I really want them leading my country?

[LastPlaceRocks]

GOP radio wont talk about it, they will be too busy acting like a PBS drive for Gustav.

Have to make up for the mistakes of Katrina somehow.

[Lueda Alia]

Haha, I know Michelle Obama is sitting at home lol'ing and thinking "that dumb bitch." :lol:
No one can possibly seriously believe those statements.

[Steve Henderson]

I can't wait for Biden's response to Palin's foreign policy "credentials"... Should be a good chuckle
Don't think he is too worried (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/31/biden-palins-good-looking/). :)

[saysmydoctor]

Don't think he is too worried (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/31/biden-palins-good-looking/). :)
He is mocking her.

Amazing.

[Justin_stacy]

The gain tied Obama's all time high. He needs to do more than simply stop gains.

Obama's had a ten plus lead over McCain before.

All McCain needed to do over the weekend was limit his loses before the GOP event and keep himself in play. Democrats always average +6 points post convention, and given that this is Obama's forum it was to be expected he'd have a similar, if not bigger, bump.

Besides in the CNN poll McCain's leading so one could say he's done more then simply stop the gain.

[Jason Tate]

Don't think he is too worried (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/31/biden-palins-good-looking/). :)
PS: Here's a nice link worth book marking (http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/23/mccain-dismisses-equal-pay-legislation-says-women-need-more-training-and-education/) for the future regarding McCain's stance on equal pay for equal work ... something you think women should look into before voting.

McCain has a long record of failure (http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason/2008/04/11/mccain_abortion/) on women’s issues, earning him a 0 percent rating (http://www.prochoiceamerica.org/elections/statements/mccain.html) from NARAL ProChoice America six years in a row, from 2001-2007.

[Steve Henderson]

Besides in the CNN poll McCain's leading
O, rly?

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/31/cnn-poll-obama-49-mccain-48/

[anamericangod]

The RNC is going to be a clusterfuck.

What the fuck are they going to say in defense of the past 8 years?

[Steve Henderson]

PS: Here's a nice link worth book marking (http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/23/mccain-dismisses-equal-pay-legislation-says-women-need-more-training-and-education/) for the future regarding McCain's stance on equal pay for equal work ... something you think women should look into before voting.
Hillary needs to send this shit to her entire email list.

[nfggc10]

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This posted anywhere yet?In those 26 seconds she neither made any sense nor said anything relevant regarding the question that was asked. Nice work and is another great visual of conservatives stumbling while trying to defend her.

McCain could not pick a running mate who was Pro-Gay Rights (http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/14/mccain-bloomberg-pro-gay-rights/).

“I think it’s a fundamental tenet of our party to be pro-life but that does not mean we exclude people from our party that are pro-choice. We just have a–albeit strong–but just it’s a disagreement. And I think Ridge is a great example of that. Far more so than Bloomberg, because Bloomberg is pro-gay rights, pro, you know, a number of other issues.”How dare we grant people basic human rights and we shall do everything we can do to further discriminate!

Sounds like a great party to support.

[Jason Tate]

Obama's had a ten plus lead over McCain before.

All McCain needed to do over the weekend was limit his loses before the GOP event and keep himself in play. Democrats always average +6 points post convention, and given that this is Obama's forum it was to be expected he'd have a similar, if not bigger, bump.

Besides in the CNN poll McCain's leading so one could say he's done more then simply stop the gain.
In the CNN poll Obama is leading (http://www.pollingreport.com/wh08gen.htm).

I also don't see this 10pt lead (http://www.pollingreport.com/wh08gen.htm#Gallup) you're talking about.

In March it was only a 2pt lead.

[GiggsOho]

Obama's had a ten plus lead over McCain before.

All McCain needed to do over the weekend was limit his loses before the GOP event and keep himself in play. Democrats always average +6 points post convention, and given that this is Obama's forum it was to be expected he'd have a similar, if not bigger, bump.

Besides in the CNN poll McCain's leading so one could say he's done more then simply stop the gain.

O, rly?

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/31/cnn-poll-obama-49-mccain-48/

Seriously, how much more spin are you going to try and toss our way? THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS NOT IN A GOOD POSITION.

[Jason Tate]

Hillary needs to send this shit to her entire email list.
I like that idea - I'm emailing them about that. Doubt they check those form things - but might as well try.

[wesgemm08]

I think we should all stop referencing polls that poll less than 1000 people and are only done to land-line phones.

[Steve Henderson]

Seriously, how much more spin are you going to try and toss our way? THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS NOT IN A GOOD POSITION.
http://bp3.blogger.com/_wjEekl3OGhM/Ro5k6qGFFmI/AAAAAAAAAC4/noQxLC7kNXM/s320/DenialARiverInEgypt.jpg

[LastPlaceRocks]

Seriously, how much more spin are you going to try and toss our way? THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS NOT IN A GOOD POSITION.
If I were the GOP, I'd be happy with the position they were for the Presidential race given the mood of the country and the current administration. Things could (and should) be a lot worse for them.

[Steve Henderson]

I like that idea - I'm emailing them about that. Doubt they check those form things - but might as well try.
I also think the DNC needs to ad buy a 30 second spot with Hillary looking into the camera saying "a vote for McCain/Palin is not a vote for me. (List reasons...)"

[Lueda Alia]

I just saw this and it amused me:

http://media.tumblr.com/paHWAHHO8dbe9gypNftNVfua_500.jpg

[saysmydoctor]

http://bp3.blogger.com/_wjEekl3OGhM/Ro5k6qGFFmI/AAAAAAAAAC4/noQxLC7kNXM/s320/DenialARiverInEgypt.jpg
I get it.