The 2008 St. Paul RNC Discussion Thread

[Machu505]

Tonight's gonna be a fundraiser of some sort. (http://www.cnbc.com/id/26366264/for/cnbc/)

Discuss.

[loveisdead]

It will be hilarious when Obama raises more online.

[Machu505]

I think this is total bullshit. You can't even defend the past eight years, so your going for sympathy? Pitiful and deplorable.

[saysmydoctor]

All the GOP ladies will be there. Cindy, Laura, and Sarah. Three vagina americans promoting COUNTRY FIRST.


HUZZAH!

[the sky below]

I think this is total bullshit. You can't even defend the past eight years, so your going for sympathy? Pitiful and deplorable.

True, but it will more than likely work.

Obama should combat this, put on some galoshes, and get in New Orleans!

[Lueda Alia]

True, but it will more than likely work.

Obama should combat this, put on some galoshes, and get in New Orleans!
That wouldn't be a good idea since it would take away resources from where they're needed most.

[GiggsOho]

OMG THE PEOPLE IN NEW ORLEANS ARE SUFFERING SO BAD I HOPE THE GOP FIXES THIS:

http://media.bonnint.net/apimage/2e9b48a5-dcc8-4200-87cc-2053a53f8815.jpg

[fuller]

It's not currently live, however there are videos of protests.

Twin Cities PD has begun teargassing protesters

http://www.theuptake.org/

[GiggsOho]

http://www.startribune.com/photos/?c=y&img=1pepper.jpg

[loveisdead]

Unbelievable.

[fuller]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYjyvkR0bGQ

Video of Democracy Now! journalist Amy Goodman being arrested

[r_r_repeat]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYjyvkR0bGQ

Video of Democracy Now! journalist Amy Goodman being arrested

So basically she tried to get her co-workers released and that's "cause to incite a riot"?

[saysmydoctor]

Duh

[r_r_repeat]

Duh

I guess I thought this was, you know, a free country or something. ;)

[fuller]

I guess I thought this was, you know, a free country or something. ;)

In Soviet America, government arrests you.

[saysmydoctor]

I guess I thought this was, you know, a free country or something. ;)
Pft

[r_r_repeat]

Pft

Call me crazy, if you like. :)

[LastPlaceRocks]

I guess I thought this was, you know, a free country or something. ;)
Not when you go against the set route and basically decide to get arrested.

[shit stroll]

Not when you go against the set route and basically decide to get arrested.
Sharif Abdel Kouddous and Nicole Salazar (Democracy Now! producers) were arrested for covering street demonstrates. Goodman was arrested for attempting to free the two journalists who were unlawfully arrested. You seriously don't have a problem with them being arrested?

[LastPlaceRocks]

Sharif Abdel Kouddous and Nicole Salazar (Democracy Now! producers) were arrested for covering street demonstrates. Goodman was arrested for attempting to free the two journalists who were unlawfully arrested. you seriously don't have a problem with this?
Not that - the thought that in a free country you can protest and do whatever you want.

[Nevuk]

I think its hilarious that the police rightfully accused some people of being anarchists for once. (foods not bombs, at the least they are strongly supported by anarchist movements). I've been watching democracy now's coverage from today, it's very interesting. Also Eileen Clancy from I-witness video was the one they keep citing as arrested.

[Nevuk]

So basically she tried to get her co-workers released and that's "cause to incite a riot"?
the presence of the RNC apparently is very corrupting, or at least justifies bizarre logic.

[shit stroll]

Not that - the thought that in a free country you can protest and do whatever you want.
I'm pretty sure the poster was referring to the Democracy Now!/Amy Goodman arrests.

[Nevuk]

Apparently the Police are carrying automatic weapons.

[LastPlaceRocks]

I'm pretty sure the poster was referring to the Democracy Now!/Amy Goodman arrests.
That could be true, I just saw it as something towards all the protesting; which there was plenty of today.

[shit stroll]

"She (Amy Goodman) was released after news had spread to the internet and a video of the arrest was made public, though her colleagues are still being held."

[saysmydoctor]

I DECLARE BULLSHIT.

x

[Nevuk]

There's this awesome guy in the Democracy Now! coverage they've interviewed.
Mike Casey (veterans for peace, a medic in vietnam):
Q : The democrats and republicans call John McCain a War hero
A : Bullshit

[shit stroll]

Love that program.

[Nevuk]

I've never watched it before now, but I might do so more often from now on.
Here's the full transcript. It's such an awesome indictment of the US military expansionist goals that I think it deserves it's own thread.

MIKE CASEY: My name is Mike Casey. I was a medic in Vietnam. I served in Vietnam from 1970, ’71. I was getting—I got there toward the end of the war, so I was seeing the homicides, the suicides, the rampant drug addiction, heroin addiction, shootouts. We had assault helicopters. We had Cobra gunships. We had APCs. We had dusters. We had 155-millimeter howitzers. We had 175-millimeter howitzers. And we were killing people.
JEREMY SCAHILL: John McCain, of course, is also a Vietnam vet and is running in part on his war record. Your response?
MIKE CASEY: You know, he had twenty-three combat missions over Hanoi. I know what those airplanes hit. I have many friends that have walked into villages that had been bombed by napalm, that have killed hundreds and thousands of innocent civilians. He bombed civilian targets, because civilian targets are military targets. You have to remember that. It’s the most important thing that you can remember. We kill innocent civilians on purpose. They are military targets. This Geneva Convention stuff is bull [blank]! And that’s what we’re doing in Iraq. That’s what we’re doing in Afghanistan. It’s what we did in Vietnam. It’s what we did in Laos, Cambodia, Panama. You name it.
JEREMY SCAHILL: Both the Republicans and the Democrats refer to John McCain as a war hero.
MIKE CASEY: Bull [blank].
JEREMY SCAHILL: Why?
MIKE CASEY: I got a Bronze Star in Vietnam. Am I a hero? No! I did—I made a difference in Vietnam, and I’m proud—to a large degree, I’m proud of my service, because I think it made the difference between helping a lot of people in Vietnam with their injuries, because, like I say, I saw injuries. I saw dead American soldiers taken off of helicopters. And, you know, gentleman, there is nothing worse than to see an American soldier take his last breath. And there’s nothing worse than seeing a dead Vietnamese civilian that was killed irresponsibly by an American GI.

I get so tired of this hero stuff. I was not a hero in Vietnam, end of story, Bronze Star or not, Combat Medical Badge or not. I did my duty in Vietnam. But John McCain riding on a hero status? Give me a break! You know, I get so tired of John McCain thinking he’s the only one that was damaged in Vietnam with his post-traumatic stress disorder. It’s funny that when he came back as a POW, they never interview the enlisted men that were in those camps. And I know some of those people that were in those camps.

[bung]

I was gonna go see RATM on the 3rd but my dumb bitch friend thought her money would be better spent seeing Atmosphere on the 1st. Fucking cunt. I should just go alone, but I'm sure tickets are probably sold out by now.

Edit: They're not actually sold out, yet. Hmm...

[saysmydoctor]

The best way to see RATM is to not get a ticket and to break barriers.

[anamericangod]

where is RAGE playing?

[bung]

^ Target Center.

[modlife]

where is RAGE playing?

http://modlife.com/ontour/videoview/2908/rage_against_the_machine_testify_2

[fuller]

Goodman and the producers were released early last night. Both sustained injuries in their unlawful arrests

[saysmydoctor]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/02/rnc.security/index.html

The US is a police state.

[captainhampton]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/02/rnc.security/index.html

The US is a police state.

really, why don't you go to a country that actually is a police state and then come back and say the US is a police state. It's not the police's fault that some people can't protest peacefully.

[Adeniz19]

yea, if you are going to go out and destroy property, you deserve to be arrested. doubt everyone who was arrested deserved to be but thats what happens when idiots have to ruin something

[bluecrunchy]

yea, if you are going to go out and destroy property, you deserve to be arrested. doubt everyone who was arrested deserved to be but thats what happens when idiots have to ruin something

This. I haven't had a ton of time to pay attention to the convention, but it sure does make traffic suck around here.

[We'reAllThieves]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/02/rnc.security/index.html

The US is a police state.

The only time I can remotely remember the US being a police state was after the Civil War when the South was under marshal law.

[saysmydoctor]

Press releases saying they are doing things =/= proof that they are doing things

I have seen no video of any property damage or anything and the uptake videos show a peaceful march being teargassed simply because they crossed a street. It's bullshit.

[We'reAllThieves]

Press releases saying they are doing things =/= proof that they are doing things

I have seen no video of any property damage or anything and the uptake videos show a peaceful march being teargassed simply because they crossed a street. It's bullshit.

This has been a popular thing for police as of late.
Remember the dude that got tazed in florida at a John Kerry speech?

[saysmydoctor]

Exactly. That kid did nothing wrong, did anyone ever notice they pulled him away after he asked the conspiracy question? Lol.

[captainhampton]

Press releases saying they are doing things =/= proof that they are doing things

I have seen no video of any property damage or anything and the uptake videos show a peaceful march being teargassed simply because they crossed a street. It's bullshit.

you are pretty dumb if you think they just started teargassing people for crossing the street.

[We'reAllThieves]

Exactly. That kid did nothing wrong, did anyone ever notice they pulled him away after he asked the conspiracy question? Lol.

Yes, I noticed that too.

Then there was the incident when a black man was waiting in line or some shit, and said something, the police pulled him aside and beat him up.

But those are just incidents.

I don't see a country wide epidemic.

[SkaBum14]

Press releases saying they are doing things =/= proof that they are doing things

I have seen no video of any property damage or anything and the uptake videos show a peaceful march being teargassed simply because they crossed a street. It's bullshit.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3024/2820893751_aa5f62deb8.jpg

I guess it was a smaller group that was running around destroying stuff, but they broke a bunch of windows downtown, smashed up some cop cars, and some other stuff. So there was at least some people deserving it. I haven't read where most of the 300 or so came from, though.

[Adeniz19]

Press releases saying they are doing things =/= proof that they are doing things

I have seen no video of any property damage or anything and the uptake videos show a peaceful march being teargassed simply because they crossed a street. It's bullshit.just because there isn't video uploads =/= that they werent doing anything illegal either. like i said, doubt everyone who was arrested truly deserved it but i'm sure there are ones that truly did. there is always people that just want to start shit

[saysmydoctor]

you are pretty dumb if you think they just started teargassing people for crossing the street.
The video shows, you fucking dipshit.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3024/2820893751_aa5f62deb8.jpg

I guess it was a smaller group that was running around destroying stuff, but they broke a bunch of windows downtown, smashed up some cop cars, and some other stuff. So there was at least some people deserving it. I haven't read where most of the 300 or so came from, though.
Amy Goodman and Co were not.

[saysmydoctor]

just because there isn't video uploads =/= that they werent doing anything illegal either. like i said, doubt everyone who was arrested truly deserved it but i'm sure there are ones that truly did. there is always people that just want to start shit
I'm not denying that, look at the picture above. But some like Amy Goodman, she clearly did nothing wrong. Those people in some of the uptake videos, simply crossing the street getting gased, that's bullshit.

[We'reAllThieves]

and there cannot be such a thing as marshal law in the US, even though I doubt that will stop them.

[saysmydoctor]

I understand the task of the police, to protect the citizens but who protects us from the police? The vast majority of videos I've seen do not show violence. I'm not denying the existing of a dumb citizen and dumb fellows but it just doesn't add up.

Edit: And even so, I am on the fence about my support. The GOP won't pay attention to these protesters, so I feel they have to make a point. Do I believe violence is the answer? No. Do I think they should just to submit to the police without any resistance? Hell no.

[r_r_repeat]

you are pretty dumb if you think they just started teargassing people for crossing the street.

Have you watched the video? Cause uh, that's what happened...

[SkaBum14]

Amy Goodman and Co were not.

I thought you were talking about just in general. Nevermind.

[Jason Tate]

This morning, President Bush discussed Hurricane Gustav, using the occasion to push for more offshore drilling (http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/stories/2008/09/02/bush_oil_drilling.html):
BUSH: One thing that’s for certain, when Congress comes back they got to understand that we need more domestic energy, not less. And one place to find it is offshore America, lands that have been, have been, uh, taken off the book, so to speak, by congressional law. And now they need to give us a chance to find more oil and natural gas here at home.

[r_r_repeat]

This morning, President Bush discussed Hurricane Gustav, using the occasion to push for more offshore drilling (http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/stories/2008/09/02/bush_oil_drilling.html):
BUSH: One thing that’s for certain, when Congress comes back they got to understand that we need more domestic energy, not less. And one place to find it is offshore America, lands that have been, have been, uh, taken off the book, so to speak, by congressional law. And now they need to give us a chance to find more oil and natural gas here at home.


Didn't John McCain say something about laying aside party politics (http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1593874/20080829/id_0.jhtml) in light of Hurricane Gustav? Yeah, way to go on that one, Bush.

[saysmydoctor]

It's the GOP that filibusters everything.

[fuller]

http://www.theuptake.org/

the loveable corinne is back out there

[fuller]

http://the-uptake.groups.theuptake.org/en/videogalleryView/id/695/

bunch of videos from yesterday

[CWeezer2]

it makes me so mad that not enough people are considering offshore drilling when they think about who they are voting for. it's actually a tremendous element in this election. but anyway, these anarchists piss me the hell off. i've been to so many protests against this war and there's always a bunch of idiots who think breaking shit and spilling fake blood everywhere is the way to achieve "peace." it's so hypocritical and makes everyone else involved look reckless and extreme.

[Nevuk]

it makes me so mad that not enough people are considering offshore drilling when they think about who they are voting for. it's actually a tremendous element in this election. but anyway, these anarchists piss me the hell off. i've been to so many protests against this war and there's always a bunch of idiots who think breaking shit and spilling fake blood everywhere is the way to achieve "peace." it's so hypocritical and makes everyone else involved look reckless and extreme.
In this case, the anarchists they arrested were food for bombs... not exactly the group you're thinking of.


Spilling fake blood sounds like the dumbest idea I've heard for a protest, though.

[mattybobviously]

If anyone wants to love their life... RON PAUL CONVENTION ON C-SPAN RIGHT NOW

The former governor of New Mexico just made a joke about people not wearing motorcycle helmets making great organ donors

[LastPlaceRocks]

I don't want to think about the Ron Paul folks - they're still out in full force around downtown Minneapolis right now.

[Machu505]

This Ron Paul convention is hilarious.

[thetrueblood]

there was no cspan at my hotel.damn.

[Machu505]

Gerald Ford was not a good president bitches.

[Jason Tate]

So I hear they're bringing the daddy to the convention.

[LastPlaceRocks]

Gerald Ford was not a good president bitches.
Hey, the man pardoned Nixon. Enough said.

[Jason Tate]

:yawn: Anything good?

[Machu505]

Damn this thing is boring.

[Trainsaw]

they're giving the President what 9 mins....at least even the Repubs are basically acknowledging he's a fuck up

[Machu505]

This music sucks. Republican musicians suck.

[Trainsaw]

This music sucks. Republican musicians suck.

They lost Toby Keith, it should be a million times better now

[nfggc10]

#1 female singer as voted by Christ Community Magazine?

Now that's entertainment.

[LastPlaceRocks]

They lost Toby Keith, it should be a million times better now
Sadly, he still represents the F-150.

[Trainsaw]

#1 female singer as voted by Christ Community Magazine?

Now that's entertainment.

whoever that is > Springsteen

[Machu505]

My brother is convinced his vote for Bush in 2004 was a better choice than Kerry. He supports Obama this year though.

[Machu505]

What the fuck is this shit?

[r_r_repeat]

So I hear they're bringing the daddy to the convention.

Yeah, the media frenzy over the young teenage couple should distract from the fact that the Republicans can't defend their stance on any of the issues.

Great strategy, I say. :shrug:

[Jason Tate]

l5IEiToPMQQ

I'd try and change her too.

[Machu505]

l5IEiToPMQQ

I'd try and change her too.

I saw that on C-Span haha.

[open mind]

there seems to be alot of filler at this convention....i've tuned in to see what they've had to say, and all i've seen so far is some christian singer perform and some salute to a random soldier.

[r_r_repeat]

there seems to be alot of filler at this convention....i've tuned in to see what they've had to say, and all i've seen so far is some christian singer perform and some salute to a random soldier.

oh fuck. what christian singer was there? :-/

[incredulous]

...Are they seriously doing a Ronald Reagan montage? Wow.

[GuitarR0cker1]

lol at the Reagan montage, this is hilarious

[GiggsOho]

Ronald Reagan just compared to Abraham Lincoln.

:explode:

[GuitarR0cker1]

Ronald Reagan just compared to Abraham Lincoln.

:explode:
He was :-0

[fuller]

ZOMBIE REAGAN!!!!!!!

How fast would Reagan fall asleep during a Thompson speech?

[GuitarR0cker1]

lol Fred Thompson's opening is both kinda humorous and disgusting at the same time.

[Jason Tate]

...Are they seriously doing a Ronald Reagan montage? Wow.
They :jackoff: to Reagan like it's a fucking full spread.

[mattybobviously]

Alaska is the largest state in the Union, Christ, these lines never get old.

[GuitarR0cker1]

They :jackoff: to Reagan like it's a fucking full spread.
Oh no it is worst than that, they have sex with his dead body as a Republican initiation ceremony to the party.

[fuller]

Honestly, the flag backdrop reminds me of a Hitler rally

[Jason Tate]

Alaska is the largest state in the Union, Christ, these lines never get old.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_population

And 47 in population. :rolleyes:

[mattybobviously]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_population

And 47 in population. :rolleyes:

I mean, this has just been sad, Thompson is up here, making references to know the hell what, now he's talking about exotic dancers?

[GuitarR0cker1]

Woah this speech sucks.

[GuitarR0cker1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_population

And 47 in population. :rolleyes:
lol he also acted like because Palin was born in a small town she automatically has "values". I was born in that small town too and trust me it does not have what Republicans consider to be values during the 1960's and 70's.

[fuller]

Here's a challenge. The sleep-inducing Fred Thompson, stalking horse for John McCain until he openly endorsed him in February, is charged, according to what a Schwarzenegger aide told Michael Rothfield of the Los Angeles Times with delivering the same speech that the governor was going to make until he used the California budget mess to opt out of showing up in Minnesota.

[Adeniz19]

Woah this speech sucks.haha i had to change the channel for a bit.

[Lueda Alia]

Am I missing anything good?

[Adeniz19]

jesus christ how much time are they going to spend on his time as a pow?

[GuitarR0cker1]

Am I missing anything good?
No, this is Fred Thompson speaking.

[Jason Tate]

Lungren also launched a false attack on Obama, claiming he has not had a “major piece of legislation” and “hasn’t contributed significantly to any major debate we’ve had” in Congress. Apparently, legislation on nuclear non-proliferation (http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/25/rove-obama-lugar/), government transparency (http://obama.senate.gov/press/060908-senate_passes_c/), and ethics reform (http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2008/08/25/klobuchar_dnc1/?refid=0) don’t count.

[Jason Tate]

jesus christ how much time are they going to spend on his time as a pow?
Every damn second ... that's all they have.

[GuitarR0cker1]

haha i had to change the channel for a bit.
I have it on mute and occasionally look at the subtitle thingies. This speech is not worth actually listening too.

[LastPlaceRocks]

...Are they seriously doing a Ronald Reagan montage? Wow.
Of course, it's the GOP.

Honestly, the flag backdrop reminds me of a Hitler rally
Really?

[Adeniz19]

I have it on mute and occasionally look at the subtitle thingies. This speech is not worth actually listening too.spike is playing star wars IV, a good alternative

[fuller]

Of course, it's the GOP.


Really?

Yeah, there's just too many flags being shown. It's creepy.

[Trainsaw]

spike is playing star wars IV, a good alternative

lol a new hope

[Adeniz19]

they act like being a POW is the only way to gain character. i guess working hard, getting your way thru harvard, and working in the south side of chicago is cake.

[GuitarR0cker1]

spike is playing star wars IV, a good alternative
When The Daily Show and Colbert come on I am definatley watching them.

[LastPlaceRocks]

Yeah, there's just too many flags being shown. It's creepy.
That doesn't make it a Hitler rally.

they act like being a POW is the only way to gain character. i guess working hard, getting your way thru harvard, and working in the south side of chicago is cake.
No, but it's one of many ways.

[Trainsaw]

the POW thing is very heroic but in another sense i don't know if i'd want a guy who was tortured for 5 1/2 years leading a nation. I'd have to believe that in some way he might be a little fucked up from that.

[mattybobviously]

LIEberman!
LIEberman!
LIEberman!

[Jason Tate]

Tonight in his address via satellite to the Republican National Convention, President Bush blasted Sen. John McCain’s (R-AZ) critics. Invoking McCain’s time as a POW in a North Vietnamese prison, Bush compared these torturers to members of the “angry Left”:
If the Hanoi Hilton could not break John McCain’s resolve to do what is best for his country, you can be sure the angry Left never will.

[Adeniz19]

LIEberman!
LIEberman!
LIEberman!the crowd is enthused.

[nfggc10]

"It shouldn't take a hurricane to bring us all together"

That's an odd thing for them to say considering Republicans had to shove 9/11 down people's throats to win in 2004.

[nfggc10]

Tonight in his address via satellite to the Republican National Convention, President Bush blasted Sen. John McCain’s (R-AZ) critics. Invoking McCain’s time as a POW in a North Vietnamese prison, Bush compared these torturers to members of the “angry Left”:
If the Hanoi Hilton could not break John McCain’s resolve to do what is best for his country, you can be sure the angry Left never will.
The good thing is voters can take care of that problem.

[Jason Tate]

"It shouldn't take a hurricane to bring us all together"

That's an odd thing for them to say considering Republicans had to shove 9/11 down people's throats to win in 2004.
And yet it did ... only time they come together is to get their fucking pictures taken.

[open mind]

i personally had a few problems with that thompson speech (acting like it wasn't a republican that has gotten us into the current economic mess in the first place, pimping mccains time as a p.o.w. and the torture he endured....conveniently forgetting the fact that republicans have decided torture is now acceptable, the fact that thompson is a celebrity of sorts so by mccains own standards he probably shouldn't be listened to, acting like alaska's size has something to do with the ability to lead a nation, playing the us vs. them angle for all it's worth, insinuating that people from small towns automattically have a good set of values, neglecting the fact that mccain doesn't have a strong pro-life stance)....but i know alot of people ate that shit up like it was thanksgiving dinner.

[Trainsaw]

Lieberman needs to learn that jokes are not funny if you have to explain the punchline to the listener

[LastPlaceRocks]

Dear Joe Lieberman,
Please stop saying that you are a Democrat because frankly, you are not a Democrat. You may be caucusing with the Democrats, but last time I checked you are an "independent."

Your friend,
LastPlaceRocks

[Trainsaw]

i thought Lieberman's speech wasn't going to involve Obama

[nfggc10]

Anyone got an over/under for the average age of people at this convention?

I'm setting the bar at 60 which may be a bit low.

[nfggc10]

Lieberman needs to learn that jokes are not funny if you have to explain the punchline to the listenerAnd when you repeat the punchline to try and get some laughs since the first time didn't get the expected applause.

[open mind]

Tonight in his address via satellite to the Republican National Convention, President Bush blasted Sen. John McCain’s (R-AZ) critics. Invoking McCain’s time as a POW in a North Vietnamese prison, Bush compared these torturers to members of the “angry Left”:
If the Hanoi Hilton could not break John McCain’s resolve to do what is best for his country, you can be sure the angry Left never will.


why anyone thinks bush can still lend a bit of credibility to anyone or anything i don't know.

[mattybobviously]

I hope the good people of Connecticut decide to hang 'Ol Joe when he heads home.

[LastPlaceRocks]

Too bad they have at least another four years of him in the Senate.

[nfggc10]

Too bad they have at least another four years of him in the Senate.894th out of 899 to be exact.

[open mind]

the pundits really seem to be allergic to fact checking.
i don't give a crap about how these speeches make them feel, i do care if they deal with you know....reality.

[Lueda Alia]

Anyone got an over/under for the average age of people at this convention?

I'm setting the bar at 60 which may be a bit low.
Haha my mom pointed out the same thing, which was funny coming from her.

[nfggc10]

Haha my mom pointed out the same thing, which was funny coming from her.The audience actually blended in quite well with the monotone speeches. Quite the actual start to the convention and definitely rivaled the intensity that was last week. :rolleyes:

[dpatrickguy]

i saw a few babes there. probably trophy wives

[Trainsaw]

i saw a few babes there. probably trophy wives

it was a star studded event aswell. I saw the Cryptkeeper from Tales from the Crypt there too

[dpatrickguy]

it was a star studded event aswell. I saw the guy from Tales from the Crypt there too

i saw angelina jolie's dad. i don't know his name, nor do i care.

[nfggc10]

i saw angelina jolie's dad. i don't know his name, nor do i care.Jon Voight

[bduke13]

Apparantly I am in the minority here. I thought both Thompsons and Liebermans speeches were excellent.

[bduke13]

Except for the fact that Lieberman says "my friends" just a little bit too much

[Lueda Alia]

Apparantly I am in the minority here. I thought both Thompsons and Liebermans speeches were excellent.
What was excellent about Lieberman's speech? The fact that he kept calling himself a "Democrat" even though he's not?

[fuller]

I wish Heather Wilson was aborted

[bduke13]

What was excellent about Lieberman's speech? The fact that he kept calling himself a "Democrat" even though he's not?

I think he did everything the McCain campaign could have asked for tonight. I can see how his speech could really turn off Democrats with a lot of knowledge about politics and other people who do as well, but I don't think he was trying to win those people over. I think he will help McCain win over a lot of people who don't follow politics too closely that will remember him as "the nice looking democrat who ran with Al Gore". People will see someone that they remember as a well known democrat supporting McCain. Theres no question in my mind that him supporting McCain will definitely sway some 'democrats' and independents that aren't too fond of Obama over to the McCain side. Whether that is right or wrong is another story, but what can you do.

(prepares to get flamed for his weak political views)

[Lueda Alia]

I think he did everything the McCain campaign could have asked for tonight. I can see how his speech could really turn off Democrats with a lot of knowledge about politics and other people who do as well, but I don't think he was trying to win those people over. I think he will help McCain win over a lot of people who don't follow politics too closely that will remember him as "the nice looking democrat who ran with Al Gore". People will see someone that they remember as a well known democrat supporting McCain. Theres no question in my mind that him supporting McCain will definitely sway some 'democrats' and independents that aren't too fond of Obama over to the McCain side. Whether that is right or wrong is another story, but what can you do.

(prepares to get flamed for his weak political views)
To me it sounded like he was trying to say, "People should listen to me because I am a Democrat and even I side with you guys this time around. That should say something."

He's not even a Democrat, so he needs to stop saying that. It's very misleading, which I guess fits in with what he's trying to accomplish. But yeah, anyone that thinks or believes that he is a Democrat, should take a few minutes of their day and look that up.

[open mind]

Apparantly I am in the minority here. I thought both Thompsons and Liebermans speeches were excellent.

i didn't watch liebermans speech (he's a full of shit, backstabbing, whiner when he doesn't get his way so i wasn't really interested) , but you must think being filled with misleading statements, poor logic, and appeals for further division are awesome if you think thompsons speech was excellent.

[captainhampton]

just curious, besides his foreign policy which is in line with McCain and Bush, has Lieberman shifted to the right on other issues?

[saysmydoctor]

The RNC doesn't interest me, so instead, I'm trying to improve my own politics bookmarks. Jason Tate's organization made me jealous. So now, I'm tagging all my bookmarks, putting them in different folders.

Am I missing anything? Any good riots (read: protests)?

[bduke13]

i didn't watch liebermans speech (he's a full of shit, backstabbing, whiner when he doesn't get his way so i wasn't really interested) , but you must think being filled with misleading statements, poor logic, and appeals for further division are awesome if you think thompsons speech was excellent.

How many people who actually know and follow politics are going to be greatly influenced by, or base their votes off of what someone who supports a candidate says in a speech? I would say very very few. So I would say those people weren't really his target audience. I think one of the main goals in Thompsons speech was to paint a very strong and vivid picture of McCain that would leave a very positive, lasting memory in the minds of some people. I think he was able to do that. The picture of McCain he painted (lame analogy, i know) will definitly leave a lasting impression on those undecided voters who don't really follow politics, which will then influence them to vote for McCain.

I'm going to bed - I'll check back tommorow

[open mind]

How many people who actually know and follow politics are going to be greatly influenced by, or base their votes off of what someone who supports a candidate says in a speech? I would say very very few. So I would say those people weren't really his target audience. I think one of the main goals in Thompsons speech was to paint a very strong and vivid picture of McCain that would leave a very positive, lasting memory in the minds of some people. I think he was able to do that. The picture of McCain he painted (lame analogy, i know) will definitly leave a lasting impression on those undecided voters who don't really follow politics, which will then influence them to vote for McCain.

I'm going to bed - I'll check back tommorow

there's still plenty of time for the obama campaign to pick apart his speech piece by piece......and the people who don't really pay attention to politics probably weren't watching the speech anyways.

[vaguestcargo]

Anyone got an over/under for the average age of people at this convention?

I'm setting the bar at 60 which may be a bit low.

the DID show those two 18-20something kids during Thompson (i think it was)'s speech... you know there's some guy at the RNC who's job it is to find the youngest ppl in the room.


On a side note, why doesn't the government give a damn that a bunch of folks who are practically on their deathbed or retired (at least) get to make all the decisions that affect US the rest of our lives. Guess that's fucking democracy.

[nfgrocker16]

On the topic of Leiberman, he's a walking lie. He supports Obama on 95% of his issues. His insinuations that Obama never crossed party lines is buuuulll pucky (
Gibbs stressed that it was a "flat-out lie" that Obama hasn't reached across party lines during his time in public office. Gibbs cited Obama's work with Sen. Richard Lugar, R-Indiana, to keep nuclear weapons out of the hands of terrorists and with Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Oklahoma, on the government budget.
Gibbs blamed what he called lies like those perpetrated in Lieberman's speech for disillusioning voters and making them cynical) ( http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/03/rnc.democrat.reaction/index.html )

Looks like the Republican's really know how to pick em. I think Obama put it best when he said he wasn't going to run a campaign that gets voters to vote for him because of a dislike of McCain, but because they agree with Obama.

[saysmydoctor]

Bull pucky lololololololol

[nfgrocker16]

I love the Republican stance that the Democratic liberal ideology is more government control. Take a look at the definition of liberalism on wikipedia. (Liberalism emphasizes individual rights (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Individual_rights) and equality of opportunity. Different forms of liberalism may propose very different policies, but they are generally united by their support for a number of principles, including extensive freedom of thought (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_thought) and speech (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech), limitations on the power of governments, the rule of law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_of_law), the free exchange of ideas, a market (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_economy) or mixed economy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixed_economy), and a transparent (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transparency_%28humanities%29) system of government (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_of_government).[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism#cite_note-1) All liberals — as well as some adherents of other political ideologies — support some variant of the form of government known as liberal democracy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_democracy), with open and fair elections, where all citizens have equal rights by law.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism#cite_note-2))

Liberalism is pro SMALL GOVERNMENT! Wow. Do people listen at all? And last time I checked we've never lived in a time where the government felt so big and we felt so small as under the current Republican administration.

[saysmydoctor]

I love the Republican stance that the Democratic liberal ideology is more government control. Take a look at the definition of liberalism on wikipedia. (Liberalism emphasizes individual rights (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Individual_rights) and equality of opportunity. Different forms of liberalism may propose very different policies, but they are generally united by their support for a number of principles, including extensive freedom of thought (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_thought) and speech (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech), limitations on the power of governments, the rule of law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_of_law), the free exchange of ideas, a market (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_economy) or mixed economy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixed_economy), and a transparent (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transparency_%28humanities%29) system of government (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_of_government).[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism#cite_note-1) All liberals — as well as some adherents of other political ideologies — support some variant of the form of government known as liberal democracy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_democracy), with open and fair elections, where all citizens have equal rights by law.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism#cite_note-2))

Liberalism is pro SMALL GOVERNMENT! Wow. Do people listen at all? And last time I checked we've never lived in a time where the government felt so big and we felt so small as under the current Republican administration.
:wallbash:

[fuller]

:wallbash:

tbh, i think every republican president since nixon has left office with a larger white house bureaucracy than they entered with. granted only carter and clinton countered that but still.

[s.t.e.v.e.n.]

im watching the replay of the speeches

Thompson doesn't actually expect me to view a 72 year old republican as a rebel does he?

[open mind]

im watching the replay of the speeches

Thompson doesn't actually expect me to view a 72 year old republican as a rebel does he?

he's not a rebel anymore man, he's metamorphasized into a maverick.
kinda like a butterfly...only crankier and less reasonable.

[Jason Tate]

I wish I could figure out why anyone is going at this "experience" angle ... the only reason I ever bring it up is because of the hypocrisy from the McCain camp. By picking Palin for a job that inherently implies you are ready for the Presidency, you have shown that experience is not a big deal for your litmus test of President. You have made that argument a wash. You can argue her "experience" until you're blue in the face ... but it's a dead argument ... at absolute worst (and I would not make this argument because I think it's false) they are "tied" for experience. Fine. With that, by choosing her to be VP - you concede she is capable of being POTUS - therefore any argument about experience is FUCKING NULL AND VOID. On both sides.

So to continue to beat this into the ground ... is fucking stupid. Until someone can show me a Presidential correlation between experience (hell, executive or otherwise) and positive economic growth, war-time policy, approval rating, or anything else related to this office beside an arbitrary fucking number ... I'm going to keep bringing it up.

[anamericangod]

I wish I could figure out why anyone is going at this "experience" angle ... the only reason I ever bring it up is because of the hypocrisy from the McCain camp. By picking Palin for a job that inherently implies you are ready for the Presidency, you have shown that experience is not a big deal for your litmus test of President. You have made that argument a wash. You can argue her "experience" until you're blue in the face ... but it's a dead argument ... at absolute worst (and I would not make this argument because I think it's false) they are "tied" for experience. Fine. With that, by choosing her to be VP - you concede she is capable of being POTUS - therefore any argument about experience is FUCKING NULL AND VOID. On both sides.

So to continue to beat this into the ground ... is fucking stupid. Until someone can show me a Presidential correlation between experience (hell, executive or otherwise) and positive economic growth, war-time policy, approval rating, or anything else related to this office beside an arbitrary fucking number ... I'm going to keep bringing it up.

Precisely. I just wish more people would begin to comprehend that last part. So frustrating.

[r_r_repeat]

I wish I could figure out why anyone is going at this "experience" angle ... the only reason I ever bring it up is because of the hypocrisy from the McCain camp. By picking Palin for a job that inherently implies you are ready for the Presidency, you have shown that experience is not a big deal for your litmus test of President. You have made that argument a wash. You can argue her "experience" until you're blue in the face ... but it's a dead argument ... at absolute worst (and I would not make this argument because I think it's false) they are "tied" for experience. Fine. With that, by choosing her to be VP - you concede she is capable of being POTUS - therefore any argument about experience is FUCKING NULL AND VOID. On both sides.

So to continue to beat this into the ground ... is fucking stupid. Until someone can show me a Presidential correlation between experience (hell, executive or otherwise) and positive economic growth, war-time policy, approval rating, or anything else related to this office beside an arbitrary fucking number ... I'm going to keep bringing it up.

I like how "experience" always boils down to years in office. Not whether that time was spent doing anything remotely important (making decisions in the Senate about Iraq vs. saying in 2006 (http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/08/palin-on-iraq.html) she didn't know enough about Iraq to make an informed decision about the surge), but the number of years you've been mayor of some podunk town in Alaska.

[Nevuk]

http://www.twincities.com/rnc/ci_10364066

Amy Goodman, arrested. If you watch the video, it is really ridiculous.

[Jason Tate]

O’HANLON: But let’s also be fair. Iraq now seems to be a quasi-functioning democracy, without weapons of mass destruction, without genocides against its own citizens or attacks against its neighbors. So, to some extent, we’ve got to give the president his due.

[r_r_repeat]

O’HANLON: But let’s also be fair. Iraq now seems to be a quasi-functioning democracy, without weapons of mass destruction, without genocides against its own citizens or attacks against its neighbors. So, to some extent, we’ve got to give the president his due.

Umm... there were no WMDs in the first place?

Dumbass.

[Nevuk]

The easy way to tell Iraq had no WMD was how we backed off of N. Korea immediately after they launched a tiny little nuke successfully but kept going after Iraq while claiming they had many far more dangerous items.

[Jason Tate]

Poll gives Obama edge in two of three key states


http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/03/states.poll/index.html

[Jason Tate]

CrG8w4bb3kg

This is what happens when your mics are still on ....

[r_r_repeat]

CrG8w4bb3kg

This is what happens when your mics are still on ....

DAMN YOU FOR BEATING ME TO THIS.

*sobs in corner*

[Skadrist]

O’HANLON: But let’s also be fair. Iraq now seems to be a quasi-functioning democracy, without weapons of mass destruction, without genocides against its own citizens or attacks against its neighbors. So, to some extent, we’ve got to give the president his due.


It also kind of overlooks the ethnic cleansing that took place in Baghdad, particularly after the al-Askari mosque bombing(s).

[vaguestcargo]

DAMN YOU FOR BEATING ME TO THIS.

*sobs in corner*

as i'm at work (and my retarded boss has blocked youtube) and won't be home in a few hours, anyone care to give me a quick synopsis?

[nfgrocker16]

CrG8w4bb3kg

This is what happens when your mics are still on ....

HAH! What's great is Mike Murphy, glasses in the middle, was on C-SPAN talking to a forum about how great of a choice Palin was and how she's a great VP pick. Now we get to hear his true feelings. Guess even he feels she isn't ready

[r_r_repeat]

as i'm at work (and my retarded boss has blocked youtube) and won't be home in a few hours, anyone care to give me a quick synopsis?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/03/peggy-noonan-mike-murphy_n_123647.html

[Jason Tate]

"Just like you, there has never been a day when I was not proud to be an American," Romney will tell Republican delegates according to advance excerpts released by the Republican National Committee.

“Barack Obama has said that families are ‘off-limits’, and we thought that John McCain agreed," Obama adviser Anita Dunn said in a statement. "But tonight, John McCain’s handpicked attack dog, Mitt Romney, exposed the fake outrage that the Republicans have been peddling all week as the blatant hypocrisy that it is."

"The McCain team’s disgusting attack on Barack Obama's wife shows they would rather generate false outrage to distract from their own problems than talk about the issues facing the American people," Dunn also said. "Mitt Romney’s attack on a candidate’s wife is as pathetic as his failed presidential campaign."

[loveisdead]

"Just like you, there has never been a day when I was not proud to be an American," Romney will tell Republican delegates according to advance excerpts released by the Republican National Committee.

“Barack Obama has said that families are ‘off-limits’, and we thought that John McCain agreed," Obama adviser Anita Dunn said in a statement. "But tonight, John McCain’s handpicked attack dog, Mitt Romney, exposed the fake outrage that the Republicans have been peddling all week as the blatant hypocrisy that it is."

"The McCain team’s disgusting attack on Barack Obama's wife shows they would rather generate false outrage to distract from their own problems than talk about the issues facing the American people," Dunn also said. "Mitt Romney’s attack on a candidate’s wife is as pathetic as his failed presidential campaign."
Ouch. And this is really fucking pathetic of them to do.

[Jason Tate]

Ouch. And this is really fucking pathetic of them to do.
Hypocrisy.

Country first, right? RIGHT?

Absolutely disgusting.

[Jason Tate]

Oregon senator, Gordon Smith is so desperate to disassociate himself from the top of the ticket, he's skipping the convention (http://www.katu.com/news/election/26299329.html), despite the fact that his is one of the marquee Senate races for Republicans this cycle.

:rotfl:

[Jason Tate]

Neither ABC nor CBS aired analysis from Democrats, Democratic strategists, or progressive media figures during their live coverage of the second day of the Republican National Convention on September 2 (the first day of the networks' live coverage of the convention). By contrast, both networks aired analysis from Republicans and conservatives, as well as from Democrats and progressives, during coverage of the second day of the Democratic National Convention on August 26.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200809030022

Interesting. Agree? Liberal media conspiracy?

[nfgrocker16]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#26279420

Here's a fantastic piece by Keith Olbermann. I love his comment on The Surge, which I completely agree with. McCain can't bash Obama's decision to be against the War in Iraq so he's focused on Obama's lack of faith in the surge,and the fact that it has succeeded, yet Olbermann puts it perfectly when he states that "if the surge worked our troops would be home from Iraq, or most of them would be." He goes on a little more but I'll let you guys watch the piece yourself.


Fantastic I think, and true

[Nevuk]

RNC welcoming committee (a protest group) was infiltrated by the police.

[loveisdead]

RNC welcoming committee (a protest group) was infiltrated by the police.
Who needs The Constitution anymore?

[Nevuk]

Who needs The Constitution anymore?
They also arrested at least 3 members of the press for filming the riots.

[loveisdead]

They also arrested at least 3 members of the press for filming the riots.
These are the things that make me proud to be an American.

[Jason Tate]

Who's excited for Rudy's speech? Odds of 9/11 being discussed?

[r_r_repeat]

Who's excited for Rudy's speech? Odds of 9/11 being discussed?

I think I read that the odds were...
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Or maybe 10000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000 0 was the just the number of times he was going to mention it. I don't remember.

[loveisdead]

Who's excited for Rudy's speech? Odds of 9/11 being discussed?
I don't think it'll be as much as you think. What's the point?

[Jason Tate]

Contrasting her resume with that of the Democratic presidential nominee, she says: "I guess a small-town mayor is sort of like a 'community organizer,' except that you have actual responsibilities."

Obama worked as a community organizer in Chicago in the 1980s before attending Harvard Law School. Palin was a two-term mayor of the town of Wasilla, Alaska, a small town of about 5,000 people.

[incredulous]

I don't think it'll be as much as you think. What's the point?

Well, scare tactics worked out pretty well for them last time. I can see it now: "John McCain, with his military experience, and Sarah Palin, sworn opponent of moose, will keep you safe from terrorists."

[Jason Tate]

She directly addresses the skepticism some have expressed about her qualifications for the office, taking particular aim at the press.

"I've learned quickly, these past few days, that if you're not a member in good standing of the Washington elite, then some in the media consider a candidate unqualified for that reason alone," she says.

"But here's a little news flash for all those reporters and commentators: I'm not going to Washington to seek their good opinion -- I'm going to Washington to serve the people of this country."

THAT REASON ALONE!? PS: Guess which party better represents the "Washington elite".

[loveisdead]

Well, scare tactics worked out pretty well for them last time. I can see it now: "John McCain, with his military experience, and Sarah Palin, sworn opponent of moose, will keep you safe from terrorists."
Holy shit that just made me burst out laughing in the middle of class. You asshole getting me in trouble haha.

[Jason Tate]

They're setting it up: liberals + media versus Republicans.

They are doing what they can to energize their base ...

[r_r_repeat]

She directly addresses the skepticism some have expressed about her qualifications for the office, taking particular aim at the press.

"I've learned quickly, these past few days, that if you're not a member in good standing of the Washington elite, then some in the media consider a candidate unqualified for that reason alone," she says.

"But here's a little news flash for all those reporters and commentators: I'm not going to Washington to seek their good opinion -- I'm going to Washington to serve the people of this country."

THAT REASON ALONE!?

"And by this country, I mean Alaska."

[loveisdead]

She directly addresses the skepticism some have expressed about her qualifications for the office, taking particular aim at the press.

"I've learned quickly, these past few days, that if you're not a member in good standing of the Washington elite, then some in the media consider a candidate unqualified for that reason alone," she says.

"But here's a little news flash for all those reporters and commentators: I'm not going to Washington to seek their good opinion -- I'm going to Washington to serve the people of this country."

THAT REASON ALONE!?
What are you getting at? I'm confused.

[turncoat93]

did anyone hear about what happened after anti flags set at "ripple effect" at the rnc.
Anti Flag and RATM devised a plan for rage to come on and play directly after anti flag with there equipment, when the police refused to let rage on the stage and said if they did, they would all be arrested. they then went around the stage and played a occapella set with the crowd

[nfgrocker16]

Who's excited for Rudy's speech? Odds of 9/11 being discussed?

I'll take 50 on Red

[loveisdead]

did anyone hear about what happened after anti flags set at "ripple effect" at the rnc.
Anti Flag and RATM devised a plan for rage to come on and play directly after anti flag with there equipment, when the police refused to let rage on the stage and said if they did, they would all be arrested. they then went around the stage and played a occapella set with the crowd
link.

[turncoat93]

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=2961001&blogID=429910555

[r_r_repeat]

did anyone hear about what happened after anti flags set at "ripple effect" at the rnc.
Anti Flag and RATM devised a plan for rage to come on and play directly after anti flag with there equipment, when the police refused to let rage on the stage and said if they did, they would all be arrested. they then went around the stage and played a occapella set with the crowd

Why wouldn't the po po let 'em on?

[turncoat93]

http://nowarwithoutwarriors.blogspot.com/

this is anti flags blog during the whole day as stuff was going down.
really interesting

[Jason Tate]

If Romney continues to brings Michelle into the equation, that brings Palin's husband's membership is a seperatist organization to the table. However, Obama will abide by his remarks to leave family out of this. Too bad McSame doesn't have the same class.

[r_r_repeat]

Has anybody heard that Obama is going to be on The O'Reilly Factor tomorrow? I despise O'Reilly, but it could be worth watching just to see O'Reilly get frustrated that he can't fluster Obama.

[Trainsaw]

If Romney continues to brings Michelle into the equation, that brings Palin's husband's membership is a seperatist organization to the table. However, Obama will abide by his remarks to leave family out of this. Too bad McSame doesn't have the same class.

Wouldn't expect anything less from a grown man making fun of the way a teenage girl looks

[Jason Tate]

There was talk of recalling Palin as mayor (http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=AS&p_theme=as&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_topdoc=1&p_text_direct-0=0F79408854D0C20B&p_field_direct-0=document_id&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&s_trackval=GooglePM). These "responsibilities" you had Mrs. Palin, care to expand upon them? Care to explain why they make you viable for the position you are running for? Care to explain how when given "executive" power you have shown to misuse it?

[Jason Tate]

AIn_fFWPaUU

Wow.

I will be filled with rage if they win this election.

[r_r_repeat]

AIn_fFWPaUU

Wow.

I will be filled with rage if they win this election.

There were so many lies in that 30 second ad that I can't even begin to take them on. Sheerly ridiculous.

[WarpSpeedChewy]

If Romney continues to brings Michelle into the equation, that brings Palin's husband's membership is a seperatist organization to the table. However, Obama will abide by his remarks to leave family out of this. Too bad McSame doesn't have the same class.
Wow. What did he say ? I can't stomach to watch it.

[loveisdead]

AIn_fFWPaUU

Wow.

I will be filled with rage if they win this election.
You're pretty close to Canada.

[GiggsOho]

AIn_fFWPaUU

Wow.

I will be filled with rage if they win this election.


As if the the past week hasn't done enough? I'm already livid that I have to try as be as "down-the-middle" as possible. I cannot in good conscious continue to even feed AP articles to people. This woman is a lunatic.

[incredulous]

AIn_fFWPaUU

Wow.

I will be filled with rage if they win this election.

Same bullshit. Over and over and over. And over. The RNC needs to end so Obama's camp can start hitting back.

[Adeniz19]

oh hey a rich white woman saying its our fault the economy is bad

[Jason Tate]

oh hey a rich white woman saying its our fault the economy is bad
Hahahaha. What?

[Adeniz19]

Hahahaha. What?haha sorry i stepped out for a sec and already forgot what she said. something along the lines of success comes for the individual, not the government.

[Adeniz19]

this is hilarious how dead the crowd is during fiorina's speech

[Machu505]

Don't Know if this has been posted yet.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/03/hot-mic-catches-gop-strategists-trashing-palin-pick/

Noonan, a Wall Street Journal columnist and former speechwriter for Ronald Reagan, and Murphy, a campaign strategist and onetime aide to John McCain, can both be heard expressing disbelief with the pick of Palin after they apparently thought they were in a commercial break.

“I come out of the blue swing-state governor world, Engler, Whitman, Thompson, Mitt Romney,” Murphy said during the mishap which has since been posted on YouTube. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrG8w4bb3kg)Murphy later flatly says of the pick, "It's not going to work."

Noonan is heard going even further, saying of the presidential race, "It's over."

"I think they went for this — excuse me– political bulls–t about narratives," Noonan also said. "Every time the Republicans do that, because that's not where they live and it's not what they're good at, they blow it."
Murphy, who was a senior adviser to John McCain's 2000 presidential bid, also adds, "You know what's really the worst thing about it? The greatness of McCain is no cynicism, and this is cynical."

[loveisdead]

Don't Know if this has been posted yet.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/03/hot-mic-catches-gop-strategists-trashing-palin-pick/

Noonan, a Wall Street Journal columnist and former speechwriter for Ronald Reagan, and Murphy, a campaign strategist and onetime aide to John McCain, can both be heard expressing disbelief with the pick of Palin after they apparently thought they were in a commercial break.

“I come out of the blue swing-state governor world, Engler, Whitman, Thompson, Mitt Romney,” Murphy said during the mishap which has since been posted on YouTube. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrG8w4bb3kg)Murphy later flatly says of the pick, "It's not going to work."

Noonan is heard going even further, saying of the presidential race, "It's over."

"I think they went for this — excuse me– political bulls–t about narratives," Noonan also said. "Every time the Republicans do that, because that's not where they live and it's not what they're good at, they blow it."
Murphy, who was a senior adviser to John McCain's 2000 presidential bid, also adds, "You know what's really the worst thing about it? The greatness of McCain is no cynicism, and this is cynical."
That is going to kill them. Absolutely kill them.

[nfgrocker16]

I just turned on the RNC and thought I was watching a church sermon. There's a pastor praying with the entire convention. While I believe this prayer (which is pretty much directed towards Hurricane Gustav's casualties and those effected) is a nice gesture, I remember learning in school that we as a country believe in seperation of church and state (government).

Looks like we know where the Republican party stands on this...

[GiggsOho]

I just turned on the RNC and thought I was watching a church sermon. There's a pastor praying with the entire convention. While I believe this prayer (which is pretty much directed towards Hurricane Gustav's casualties and those effected) is a nice gesture, I remember learning in school that we as a country believe in seperation of church and state (government).

Looks like we know where the Republican party stands on this...

there were prayers at the DNC, too. This doesn't bother me.

[Trainsaw]

Yeah, i'm not really surprised or bothered by it, you kind of expect it. Unless it was some sort sermon like the Raptor Jesus thing where people are crying and going nuts

[nfgrocker16]

Yeah, i'm not really surprised or bothered by it, you kind of expect it. Unless it was some sort sermon like the Raptor Jesus thing where people are crying and going nuts


I think it alienates people to bring it to a political convention. I think a silent prayer is appropriate but not one that advocates one religion as a support to a party or parties. I didn't see the prayer at the DNC and think its still wrong.

[r_r_repeat]

I think it alienates people to bring it to a political convention. I think a silent prayer is appropriate but not one that advocates one religion as a support to a party or parties. I didn't see the prayer at the DNC and think its still wrong.

As an agnostic, it offends me from both parties. A silent prayer, I'd be ok with because I can just sit there... But assuming that everyone prays to the same God is just... ludicrous.

[nfggc10]

Romney off to a great start as his first joke receives crickets.

[GiggsOho]

I think it alienates people to bring it to a political convention. I think a silent prayer is appropriate but not one that advocates one religion as a support to a party or parties. I didn't see the prayer at the DNC and think its still wrong.

The Benedictions every night were done by different religious leaders. Catholic, Methodist, Jewish, etc... the Dems handled it well.


I didn't see what you were talking about, but unless it was some Baptist minister up there talking about "HELL-FY-ARE AND-A BRIMSTONE" and "PA-RAYSE GEE-SUSS", it's not a big deal.

[Trainsaw]

Romney off to a great start as his first joke receives crickets.

plus he had to teach the crowd how to go along w/ his stupid Q & A speech

[GiggsOho]

LOL Romney cant even SAY "affordable healthcare"

[nfggc10]

plus he had to teach the crowd how to go along w/ his stupid Q & A speechHahahahaha did Romney just call Democrats the party of Big Brother????

He's aware of the Patriot Act correct?

[GiggsOho]

"Remove promiscuity and pornography and bad behavior from schools"

1) I've never seen porn in schools. They have a good handle on that.

2) Ask Sarah Palin how that worked out.

[GiggsOho]

Hahahahaha did Romney just call Democrats the party of Big Brother????

He's aware of the Patriot Act correct?


I outwardly cackled at that.

[Trainsaw]

Hahahahaha did Romney just call Democrats the party of Big Brother????

He's aware of the Patriot Act correct?

i know, i lost it when he said that

[nfggc10]

"Remove promiscuity and pornography and bad behavior from schools"

1) I've never seen porn in schools. They have a good handle on that.

2) Ask Sarah Palin how that worked out.What I was going to say.

[nfgrocker16]

The Benedictions every night were done by different religious leaders. Catholic, Methodist, Jewish, etc... the Dems handled it well.


I didn't see what you were talking about, but unless it was some Baptist minister up there talking about "HELL-FY-ARE AND-A BRIMSTONE" and "PA-RAYSE GEE-SUSS", it's not a big deal.

idk, I had it on and was getting sick of the boring bs being spouted so I turned it off, and then turned it back on again a few minutes later cause there's nothing else on TV and there was a pastor saying, "let us pray." If they've had several different religious figures offering prayer then I don't think its a big deal. I thought it was just one guy. So if I was wrong and missed the rest of the religions get their due then I apologize, and steadfastily hang my head low, and crawl into my dresser.

[nfggc10]

The sad thing is this idiot made McCain look awful on economic issues in the Republican debates.

[incredulous]

lol @ "Tyrannosaurus appetite of government unions"--I thought conservatives didn't believe in dinosaurs?

[r_r_repeat]

HAHA

The "USA" chant reminded me of Stephen Colbert's "USA! NUMBER ONE! USA! NUMBER ONE!"

[GiggsOho]

idk, I had it on and was getting sick of the boring bs being spouted so I turned it off, and then turned it back on again a few minutes later cause there's nothing else on TV and there was a pastor saying, "let us pray." If they've had several different religious figures offering prayer then I don't think its a big deal. I thought it was just one guy. So if I was wrong and missed the rest of the religions get their due then I apologize, and steadfastily hang my head low, and crawl into my dresser.

Lol, it's okay, come back out and enjoy the circus.

[nfgrocker16]

Can I change my position on the religious stance and say that Mitt Romney is the "Pah-rayse JESUS!" pastor I was talking about?

[nfggc10]

Straight talk? I haven't heard one fact spoken yet in this speech.

[GiggsOho]

USA USA USA!

Did the "Iron Sheik" just come out behind the curtain? Is this Monday Night Raw?

[nfggc10]

Extremism = my favorite broad term that really has no meaning

[GiggsOho]

FakeSarahPalin just updated: "Ummm, I don't think Mitt likes me. He just handed me the "book of moron" backstage. WTF MITT?! IT IS NOT MY FAULT HE DIDN'T PICK U"

[nfggc10]

USA USA USA!

Did the "Iron Sheik" just come out behind the curtain? Is this Monday Night Raw?I know the Sheik is old but I think he's a bit young for this crowd...

[GiggsOho]

"we inherited the greatest country on earth" = Extremeism.

[nfgrocker16]

USA USA USA!

Did the "Iron Sheik" just come out behind the curtain? Is this Monday Night Raw?

OH FUCK!!!! I just realized who Mitt Romney reminds me of! Hulk friggin' Hogan!!!! Lets see him rip his shirt off and Hulk Up while "I Am A Real American" plays in the background!

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"we inherited the greatest country on earth" = Extremeism.

No, we stole it from Native Americans. But I digresss.

[GiggsOho]

OH FUCK!!!! I just realized who Mitt Romney reminds me of! Hulk friggin' Hogan!!!! Lets see him rip his shirt off and Hulk Up while "I Am A Real American" plays in the background!

WHATCHA GONNA DO BROTHER WHEN THE GOP RUNS WILD ON YOU?!?!?!?!?!

[nfgrocker16]

Haha, all the old people trying to outdance all the democratic delegates from the DNC is pretty hilarious. At least at the DNC they were dancing because of the hope Obama brings, not because they were taking a cue from the other party.

[fuller]

I refuse to subject myself to this convention any longer than the 5 minutes I will be able to watch Sarah Palin before throwing something at the TV. after that, i go back to GOP blackout

[r_r_repeat]

Haha, all the old people trying to outdance all the democratic delegates from the DNC is pretty hilarious. At least at the DNC they were dancing because of the hope Obama brings, not because they were taking a cue from the other party.

HOLY SHIT I SAW A KID IN THE CROWD.

Dammit, my hopes of this party dying out are gone. *sigh*

[fuller]

Meg Whitman - 2.6 Billion
Carly Fiorina - 100 Million
Mitt Romney - 300 Million

Country Club First.

[nfggc10]

If Republicans are gonna lie about Obama at least stop using the "no foreign policy experience" bullshit.

[GiggsOho]

Meg Whitman - 2.6 Billion
Carly Fiorina - 100 Million
Mitt Romney - 300 Million

Country Club First.

THEY PRAYED FOR THAT MONEY, OMG, LEAVE THEM ALONE

[nfggc10]

Did Huckabee just say that the media has united all of America behind John McCain?

That's even worse than his comment about dinosaurs and not believing in evolution.

[r_r_repeat]

If Republicans are gonna lie about Obama at least stop using the "no foreign policy experience" bullshit.

I almost spit out my Arby's Melt when I heard that.

But we gotta remember... Palin governed a state that's right by Russia. She's a real foreign policy pro.

[aminorthreat55]

HAHA

The "USA" chant reminded me of Stephen Colbert's "USA! NUMBER ONE! USA! NUMBER ONE!"
I liked the blog post over at The New Republic's site:
USA!

I'm as patriotic as the next guy but, unlike the delegates in this hall, a chant of "U.S.A.! U.S.A.!" strikes me as self-parody, the sort of thing something Homer Simpson does when he wins a stupid bet.

--Michael Crowley

[nfggc10]

Some things we don't want to change are taking away your freedoms.

Hmm, freedoms like a woman's right to choose which is what you asshats want to take away???